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The Other Side of Enlightenment

By Catherine Elton

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Mainstream social scientists are divided on Hassan and his fellow cult-busters, with many sociologists of religion believing that what they do is nothing more than stoke hysteria, reminiscent of the witch hunts of the colonial era. They say the word “cult” is itself loaded and derogatory, instead preferring the term “new religious movement.” These scholars say anti-cultists like Hassan focus nearly exclusively on religious groups that are either new—like the Unification Church and the Church of Scientology—or relatively new to America, like the Hare Krishnas. “You can make any group look pretty bad,” says Anson Shupe, who teaches at Indiana-Purdue University Fort Wayne. “You take a woman who wears a uniform, becomes celibate, shaves her head, changes her name, and marries the dead leader of a cult. And she is, according to them, in need of an intervention. Well, that’s a nun.”

When Shupe and David Bromley of Virginia Commonwealth University coedited a mostly critical book on anti-cultists, they wanted to include a chapter from someone on the other side of the debate. The academics turned to Hassan because they consider him to be perhaps the best in his business—and yet they remain critical of his approach. They don’t believe there’s any such thing as brainwashing, and are also skeptical of the concept of mind control, which they say could be used to explain everything from the effects of television commercials to the methods used to train soldiers or even Mary Kay saleswomen. And then there’s the whole notion of interventions as a form of therapy. “You get people who are caught up in trying to change themselves, become a new person or build a new world,” Bromley says. “And they lose touch with who they are. It isn’t to say some groups don’t take advantage of that process. But I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that they want someone like Hassan to come in with predetermined answers to their life problems.”

Shupe often calls Hassan a “professional ex-Moonie,” questioning the livelihood he has built around his past. “Way down deep, it’s like he’s been wrestling with a demon about his own involvement in the Moonies,” he says. “Okay, so he made a mistake. So does that mean the rest of us are to endure this quest he has to liberate minds when what this really is, to play Dr. Freud, is his way of expiating his own earlier mistakes? Is he a cynical opportunist? No. But it is easy for someone to create a moral crusade when it also happens to be how they make their living.”

Hassan fiercely denies these accusations. He points out he’s an active member of Temple Beth Zion in Brookline, a synagogue with a distinctively New Age flair, and himself practices both yoga and meditation. He insists that mind control exists—and cites prominent psychiatrists and psychologists who agree with him. He also dismisses the suggestion that he’s some sort of trauma victim who now sees a cult lurking behind every tree. He says he has turned down many intervention requests, including one from the parents of a gay child and another from the parents of a student who had decided to drop out of Harvard Business School. “My job is to empower people to think for themselves,” he says. “People have a right to follow a different drummer. My issue is whether they are being lied to, manipulated, and exploited when they make their choices.”

As overwhelming as Hassan’s sense of self and unswerving confidence can be at times, both are tempered by a surprising ability to admit his missteps. Earlier in his career, he acknowledges, he was too quick to label some groups as cults. He also recently reduced his rates, which had soared during the dot-com era. He currently charges $2,500 a day for home visits and interventions and says he does a lot of pro bono work. (Charles Laquidara declined to reveal how big a check he wrote to Hassan, saying only that it was equivalent to the “yearly wages of an average blue-collar worker.”) Still, Hassan doesn’t appear to be getting rich. He and his wife, Misia Landau, live with their son in a rented three-bedroom on a quiet street in Newton.


 

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ThisDahn/Hassan article
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 27, 2007 at 12:06 PM
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Interesting article, because if you already have your mind made up in either direction, you will probably not be changed by what you read. If, on the other hand, you are open to the whole subject matter- you can see that there are choices to be made for all of us in the future as to how important it is that we someday can combine the teachings of Eastern and Western methodology and use them to our benefit. I think a lot of people may not be able to make this leap because of the bad rap on Dahn- too bad, because from what I have seen, they are doing a lot more good than bad- and any organization or business(American or Korean) that is trying to "get it right" deserves a shot. Forget about the "cult" label- that is a bogus red herring in my opinion.
Why people fall for cults
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 27, 2007 at 7:07 PM
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The anonymous comment posted at Aug. 27, 2007 at 12:06 PM goes a long way toward explaining why cults are still able to attract people. Some of their customers simply are not interested in facts. To simply sweep the known, documented facts about Dahn Hak under the carpet in favor of a vague "they are doing a lot more good than bad" approach is naive at best. Steve Hassan is a highly respected cult expert -- one who has been a cult member himself, and who has for decades helped people escape unhealthy relationship, be they with abusive spouses or with cult-like groups.
"facts" or lynch mob mentality
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 27, 2007 at 7:52 PM
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The anonymous comment by anonymous 2 is a great example of how two "cult busters" who make their living by doing this can almost single-handedly destroy any group which is tight-knit, idealistic, (maybe even to the point of naivety) and uses unorthodox means of holistic treatment in its work. Steve Hassan and Rick Ross (if you browse the internet carefully) are the source of almost every negative comment on Dahn. This is how they both make their living. As for the ex-members of Dahn? Let's do a search on disgruntled ex-employees of General Motors, Verizon and the Catholic Church.I am sure they will have a lot of negative experiences to share as well. I am putting my money on Dahn until I get more info from sources that have no agenda, thank you.
Dahn and Hassan
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 27, 2007 at 7:37 PM
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Dahn sounds very dangerous. The use of mind control (isolation and thought bombardment to name a few) tactics to indoctrinate and squeeze people dry of sound judgment as well as for their money are obvious. I feel sad for the Laquidara family -- in particular the loving father willing to give himself for the sake of his son. I hope they wake up soon. Hassan clearly has a challenging role to help people that have become missionaries of their cult and are so embedded in the clichés and rhetoric of their cult that they can't consider the bad aspects (deceit and exploitations) of the cult. I wish him luck in his endeavors.
Courage
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 27, 2007 at 8:05 PM
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Action in spite of fears or anxieties. Risking life ~ to save life. Altruism. Exceedingly brilliant agile mind and body and soul. These are the things that come to mind bound in true human compassion, empathy and love. That is the essence of the mystique of the person of Steve Hassan as I read this article. Perhaps it takes a visionary to see the vision presented. Perhaps really all it takes is a bit of silence and reflection. I could quite easily follow the shining gold thread of patient endurance of not just accepting all - but embracing all - for one single rather unknown person on planet earth. As in a young - one time student on a college campus. Steve Hassan in this article in my view is a true modern day hero. Many people around the globe sadly can claim "ex-cult member" as part of their life's history. Sadly that it happened - yet joyfully that they are now free. Any one of them ~ after recovery could do this work. Steve Hassan does - and does it very well. We nee
why sympathy?
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 28, 2007 at 9:15 AM
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Whoever wrote that they feel bad for the Laquidara family and Charles' 'sacrifice' didn't read to the end of the article. Both of the parents are doing Dahn programs and seem (from Charles' newly kindled enthusiasm about Dahn) to have gotten a lot from it. Also if you grew up listening to Chuck like I did you'd know he's the total opposite of the profile of someone who's vulnerable to cult indoctrination. And your comment about them not wanting to see the bad aspects seems to ignore the fact that they started a board and appear to be trying to making some positive changes from within.
Dahn/Toilet
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 28, 2007 at 9:28 AM
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Dahn Yoga is perhaps one of the most dangerous cults in the states, current members won't realize this until after a year or two in the cult after they are penniless, without friends or families other than cult members, and cleaning toilets at the Dahn center to survive, I know this first-hand...Simply follow the money trail, Ilchi lives like a king and his minions live in squalor, a charlatan of the highest form, and to the son who recruited his radio host father and mother, shame on you, I hope you can make amends for this in your lifetime...
Attracting flies
Posted by Alik | Aug. 28, 2007 at 12:41 PM
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Dahn attracts a lot of freaks. They love Dahn, then they hate it, they then are reassured and love it...A lot of bipolar types go in for this Americanized yoga thing. I'm from India and Dahn does go back to the purest form of mind-body union which is what yoga is really all about. Not twisitng you bodies into contortionists that became the vogue of the 1970's. I can't complain about their product or method at all - it works great. But the selling of other programs does irriatate weak minded people. I say no, no and no. But others say yes, yes and yes. And then whine about their inability to be strong. It would be nice if Dahn was cheaper but that's true of everything. The word "dangerous" was thrown around a little too much in this article without explanation from credible sources.
Dahn and Hassan
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 28, 2007 at 8:38 PM
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I did read the article to the end. Nothing wrong with being sympathetic to parents that will do anything – even join a destructive cult – to maintain their connection with their child. From what I have read/learned about cults, one thing that many people don’t realize is that people do not join cults because they are stupid! Some destructive cults (for instance Scientology) actually go after more intellectual types. What is important to the cult is to recruit people that they can exploit! Those with money or minds can be utilized for much more than stupid people that can probably only be exploited for money (if they happen to have some) or labor. In any case, once they have a person in the cult mindset – the person can’t think rationally about what (s)he is forfeiting. I believe that people have to distance themselves from the cult and stop putting themselves in a trance state for a while before they can begin to gain perspective. I am Neutral but knowledgeable about the subject, but
Dahn and Hassan
Posted by Susan | Aug. 28, 2007 at 9:16 PM
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It seems clear to me from the tone of their comments there are a couple of Dahl activists writing defensive comments. Unfortunately while being IN a cult, it is impossible to be anything but one sided. I am not swayed by the comments about Ari's thoughts of making some changes at Dahn -- I don't doubt that the changes will help make Dahn more effective at recruiting and perhaps more efficient at exploiting it's members.
I was never anonymous!
Posted by Melanie | Aug. 28, 2007 at 10:35 PM
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On page 6, Ms. Elton claims "six former Dahn members-all of whom asked that their names be withheld out of fear and retribution-". Elton must have forgotten the hour-plus interview she did with me, Melanie Cookson. I was obviously wasting my time with this reporter. Elton barely covered the most fundamental questions surrounding Dahn,and listed sexual assault,death, and phony education records like a grocery list, while listing the less shocking details in the same patronizing manner, to say nothing of how insulting she is towards Mr. Hassan. If Hassan has a Messiah complex then so does Lance Armstrong and I guess anyone who ever survived an ordeal and tried to help others, but only if you get paid for it. No, Catherine has regurgitated old arguments and masticated too quickly, too greedily, only managing to spit out the same redundant gristle in a patronizing and amateur fashion. I expected better.
Ari's Dad
Posted by Melanie | Aug. 28, 2007 at 11:00 PM
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By the way, I don't see the logic behind the idea that if Ari's father joins Dahn, then that must mean its not a cult, because Ari's father is too "strong" to do that. In my opinion, Mr. Laquidara (father)perfectly illustrates the point that anyone can be sucked into this group. He backs up the idea that normal, successful people can be the victims of cults too.
Did you check your facts?
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 29, 2007 at 3:07 AM
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I simply can’t help but comment on the fact that the writer takes the first three pages to try to turn Hassan into some kind of hero, but in actuality only those who have experienced his so-called deprogramming could accurately describe what a traumatic ordeal it is, and only those who have experienced the profound joy, love, peace, and freedom that Dahn training offers really know it. Notice that the thousands of happy customers aren’t mentioned until page 6.
You can tell us now
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 29, 2007 at 4:02 AM
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Melanie Cookson, please share here what the particulars of what you wish the reporter had shared from your interview. All ears.
Gratitude
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 29, 2007 at 6:42 AM
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Mr. Hassan doesn't participate in nor condone de-programming - 'Releasing the Bonds' is a great read to learn of the approach that is currently in used. I would say the word "traumatic" is better used describing the "cult-life experience" to a persons psyche. Once freed, many "ex-members" will tragically attempt suicide ~ this is the enormity of destruction to the human person. Mr. Hassan not only serves humanity in studying groups & deciding to intervene if asked (and it is warranted) he also is exceedingly skilled in picking up the pieces of shattered persons through counseling after the cult experience. Helping people become whole again. Finding, supporting & restoring their "real" self - that was obliterated by the "cult" self imposed once the member was torn down through mind control techniques. Humanity often "over-estimates" their strengths ~ "under-estimates" the power of the situation. If any agenda's being pushed here ~ it might be Mr. Hassan's - of desiring people to liv
Ask Julia Siverls' family
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 10:38 AM
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"only those who have experienced the profound joy, love, peace, and freedom that Dahn training offers really know it." Julia Siverls and the lone man who took the risk to came forward to tell how she died in Dahn training might beg to differ. What joy is he and Julia Siverls feeling now from their Dahn experience?
Laquidara's "research"
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 10:48 AM
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In a remarkable reversal, Laquidara now publicly declares that, after “researching” Dahn for three years, they are not a dangerous cult, that it is Hassan and Ross who are on a witch-hunt. I have some questions about this “research.”: Did he approach his research objectively, at least going undercover to avoid influencing how people acted? Did he investigate Dahn’s most inner core? In his reversal, did he somehow discover that Ilchi Lee really did go without food or water for 21 days on a mountain top; that he really does have the formal education to justify the title "Dr."; that Brain Respiration exercises really do give children x-ray/psychic vision; that Lee never sexually exploited female masters, regardless of a former Dahn devotee’s 1999 personal expose, a popular Korean poet’s public declaration, and a 2002 lawsuit by a female instructor. Devotees sacrifice much for Dahn, believing Dahn will save the world. Does this organization largely invest and engage in world-
Laquidara's "research" continued
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 1:30 PM
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Continuing… Does Dahn build its centers in high-crime communities and warring regions to bring their supposedly effective “HSP” technology (Happy, Smiling, and Peaceful brains) to those most in need of it, rather than mostly to those who already are essentially peaceful? Do Dahn masters earn a fair salary for the hours worked and the sacrifices? Is their desperation to raise money for Dahn to build more exercise centers, to save the world, warranted in light of the fact that Dahn’s profits largely inure to the benefit of the for-profit corporations’ owners, as they heavily invest in enormous homes, valuable property, elegant resort hotels, and Arabian horses? How does he explain that a supposedly “enlightened” health organization led a trainee to a painful death from hyperthermia and dehydration right in front of their eyes, cell phone in hand? He chose to join ‘em rather than beat ‘em; he gained back his son. Fine. But if he’s going to claim he did “research” and
Continuing: Laquidara's "research"
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 1:30 PM
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Continuing... Does this organization largely invest and engage in world-saving activities, e.g. philantropy; relieving poverty, starvation, epidemics, illiteracy, homelessness, pollution, child labor and slavery, bigotry, war, terrorism; natural disaster relief; human rights, etc.? How has Dahn Center expansion worldwide resulted in greater world peace thus far?
Lastly, on Laquidara's "research"
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 1:35 PM
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Finally... He chose to join ‘em rather than beat ‘em; he gained back his son. Fine. But if he’s going to claim he did “research” and blame anti-cult workers for Dahn’s bad reputation, then let’s see that research answer the big questions. (Sorry my posts are out of order.)
Bad Article all the way
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 6:54 PM
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Clear evidence of assault to the integrity of journalism and the "art" of writing. Whose fault was this abomination? The writer? The editor? Egad! DAHN: Rational thought speaks that for every enthusiast there are going to be dissenters. DISSENTERS: Why R U not speaking out here and now? DAHN: One commented against you - yet others in the article were "stayed-off" as being somehow fearful of speaking out. Why would that be Dahn? Why is it a problem? Why are they not fully identifying themselves and blaring about their experiences? DAHN ENTHUSIASTS: How is it you all agree 100%? Where is your gifted individuality and freedom of mind? Do you all really conform so uniformly? DISSENTERS: U can save lives enormously from suffering by speaking out. DAHN: Where's the love? Where's the $$$$$ going? Why R people fearful of retribution? READERS: Yoga's very cool I hear. Perhaps there is a copy of "yoga for dummies" you can pick up for under $20 bucks ~ Perhaps a very smart
No car salesman ever massaged my body before handing me a contract
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 30, 2007 at 8:03 PM
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Charlotte Conners compares Dahn tactics to car salesmen - way to go, Charlotte! Dahn's tactics are just as manipulative and sleezy as those used in car sales?! That's pretty bad. And what to you mean "no one flinches" at car sales? I've walked away from car salesmen feeling nauseated and angry and have returned vehicles after feeling manipulated, yet I have never seen a car saleman insist on a full body massage right before handing me a contract to sign. Address the issues, Charlotte. You sound like a robot!
my experience
Posted by Charles | Aug. 30, 2007 at 10:11 PM
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You know- when I was approached by Boston Magazine to do this interview, I did so reluctantly- because I am retired and out of the public eye, and just wanting to enjoy the rest of my life. The experiences my wife and I had with Dahn were our own and were based on our own reality and situation. I originally had an awful perception of Dahn, similar to what I am reading in these comments and so I can relate to all of the negativity. But we both did a lot of examining and research and as the article says, we even got involved in the group activities. So, I am not saying that we are Dahn experts- I am sure a lot of the negative publicity is based on truth and incidents (however isolated- they nevertheless did happen) and if that is how people want to judge the organization, they can. But it seems as the rest of you who may be a bit more objective are reading these comments- does the vitriol remind you of anything you may really dislike about today's AM talk shows? All I am saying is, we d
my experience (continued)
Posted by Charles | Aug. 30, 2007 at 10:28 PM
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we did the best we could- and we really did try to be objective; and whether Ari was our son or not- we came up with what we came up with- which is that Dahn may have its downside, but the group that we are familiar with here in Boston is working hard to fix the negative things, and to open their books and to continue to focus on the World Peace and healing thing. I don't know how cynical we all have become, but what more can anyone do? If something is broke and someone is really trying to fix it- where is the objectivity here? I personally don't really think Dahn is that need of repair. I think that when they use the term "Yoga" on their sign-age, they are pissing off a large segment of the Yoga community, who have preset ideas of what Yoga should be about. But that's just my opinion.
my experience (continued)
Posted by Charles | Aug. 30, 2007 at 10:42 PM
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The "heavy sell" part of Dahn happens everywhere as an unfortunate part of American capitalism (Gold's Gym or your friends asking you to buy their Amway products) and the horrific tragedy that occurred because of carelessness and misguided leadership happens with any- I mean any- organization (whether it's the Marine Corps or the Catholic Church or Costco) So it all depends on how you look at it. My wife and I happen to be very proud of our son and the choice he made. You want to talk about courage? He chose Dahn (No, all you nay-sayers- Dahn didn't choose him) He made the decision based on what he saw- not by what he read on the internet. It is easy for critics above to pontificate on and on about how, "Charles is just doing this because he wants to connect with his son..." or "Look at that woman that died and they forced her to do this.." and, "Dahn must be bad, because Steve Hassan and Rick Ross say so..." etc. Let me try to put this all in a nutshell: Dahn may be a bad group- b
my experience (continued)
Posted by Charles | Aug. 30, 2007 at 11:00 PM
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but I don't see that. I am not going to go there because I read it on the internet, or because some anti-Dahn zealots go berserk on this comment page. I did what any of you would do in my shoes: I checked it out for myself, for two years- in every way that is realistically possible- and I came up with the belief that the Dahn group is a well-meaning, idealistic, (perhaps a bit naive) organization of people who are trying (pretty successfully so far) to do a lot of good in this screwed-up world we live in. Everyone has their right to disagree, so what more can I say? The only way I can explain it is to ask any of you reading this to recall the feeling you get when someone with a different political philosophy than yours tears into you with hate, determination and "facts" based on "half-truths;" and you try explaining to them what you have learned and what your experiences were, and you see that it is going nowhere, so you just kind of let it go- knowing that you aren't going to change
my experience (continued)
Posted by Charles | Aug. 30, 2007 at 11:17 PM
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their mind and they are not going to change yours. I am sorry I took up all this space, but I just wanted to give my perspective on this for the public record. And believe me- I am not doing this for my son, Ari- he is fine with all of it, and he doesn't need me or his mom to do his PR That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. :) Now you go fight it out amongst yourselves. Charles Laquidara click here
News to me
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 31, 2007 at 2:48 AM
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Charles wrote, about Julia Siverls' death (I assume): "the horrific tragedy that occurred because of carelessness and misguided leadership..." I've never heard Dahn take any responsibility for Julia's death. You give them too much credit here.
There you go again
Posted by Peter | Aug. 31, 2007 at 8:44 AM
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According to the article, the reason no one is "taking responsibility" is because the case is still under litigation. I am not sure I would want Anonymous to be my lawyer right now.
Your own reality is not objective "research" - it's just your personal opinion
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 31, 2007 at 10:45 AM
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Charles, you admittedly, and proudly, looked only at what was right in front of your own nose, your “own reality” – that’s not objective research. So please stop declaring that you did research and that they are affirmatively not a cult, while bashing Hassen as a witch-hunter (no wonder he charges so much). You joined as Ari’s parent and didn’t see a destructive cult. No surprise there. You just encountered a group of naive and idealistic devotees – no surprise there either. Unfortunately, you made yourself a Dahn spokesperson and defender, just as they wanted you to, both in the article, on a blog, and in your comments here. But you really have no idea if the company is inordinately manipulative or exploitive or totalitarian at its core, at the top, or behind the scenes. I do think you’d know if your son was in any danger. He’s an adult and can figure that out for himself, now that Hassan alerted him on what to look for. He does sound like a great guy, your kid. I wish him luc
Hmmm
Posted by DJ | Aug. 31, 2007 at 2:52 PM
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Hassan has his own little cult following. And a nice commercal for his business in this article. He has no incentive to make an objective call on Dahn or anybody else. He probably had a knee jerk racist reaction against Dahn because they come from Korea just like his Moonies. Dahn's business is good for Hassan. Maybe they are in cahoots and he sends them a commission for each deprogramming.
To hmmm.....
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 31, 2007 at 4:57 PM
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Wow. Highly suggest you "hmmm..." a little further. Like look at your own life bud. Count the numbers of lives you've pasted together again. Clearly it's easier for us to see the heart and world you live in. You wouldn't know love if it stared you in the face ~ I would pity you, but that takes energy and frankly your ignorance isn't worth it. Wouldn't even conjecture how you make your living. But a rational thought would suggest it isn't helping humanity with any sense of altruistic need. Charles you are to be commended for your pursuance of your "gut" and your "heart" to find Steve to help you in your desperate situation. Happy to read you seem to have a grip on reality and don't seem fully sucked into Dahn - looking at all with a critical and thoughtful eye. Good for you. The group is morphing - which way I don't know. But you are paying attention to details....very good indeed. I wish you and all the very best - stick with your "gut" or heart - it's priceless.
please don't let your child join dahn!
Posted by Anonymous | Aug. 31, 2007 at 9:52 PM
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My family got me out, It took sometime. I wanted this for the rest of my life, I thought I needed to complete my soul and help save this world. I was not to sleep all that much, days ran together and time kept passing. I never saw or talked to my family, I forgot what was important....then my family wanted to take away the most important thing in my life..my child...because I was never there... Dahn was my life. Then a master told me this path was to be done alone without the karma of family... after that I left. I want my family. I want to date and get married one day. Now I no longer work for them, I spent money on this path thinking I would do it for life....I now have nothing, no money, no job... don't let your kids spend all their money, leave school to become a yoga instructor... All training is for the young members to become employees and work 7 days a week 16 or more hours a day for very little money. I am sorry I helped them bring many more members and helped young members wa
yikes
Posted by Susan | Sep. 1, 2007 at 12:38 AM
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You talking to me??! Are you talkin' to me??! It's time now to open the floodgates and let them all have their say. Think I'll just go on over to Starbucks until this passes.
To: Don't let your child join Dahn......
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 2:31 AM
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Thank you for your courageous post. I can tell you that I have been in your same situation, though in a different destructive cult. I can say from experience ~ that help is out there to help you to heal from this experience. Life is truly good ~ and you need to hold on to your dreams of family and a wonderful future. Exiting a cult is traumatic & very, very difficult ... but again there are counselors specifically trained in this area of expertise, and if that isn't possible d/t lack of funds - there are many good books that are worthy. Jaja Lalich I believe is one author, Wendy Ford another, Steve Hassan, Langone - many good reads that help you to realize your experience now is "real" and normal for what you've been through. Things will most assuredly get better. Hang in there.
Let your "child" make his/her own choices
Posted by Michelle | Sep. 1, 2007 at 5:13 AM
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Dahn would never tell you to throw away your relationship toward your family, especially your child. Everything you do is your choice, and all of your circumstances are a result of choices you have made. If you blame your unhappiness on anything outside of yourself, you will never be happy. If you didn't sleep, if you left school, if you spent money, if you have no job-- all of that is a result of choices you made for yourself. Don't blame Dahn for what you did with your own life. Nobody can ever control what you think and choose. In the end, you are the one who decides. If you failed to create your own happiness, then at least don’t prevent others from having a chance to create theirs.
go out and see for yourself
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 6:22 AM
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i think this conversation would be much more meaningful if everyone took the time to try a Dahn class or program first. then we could truly discuss based on personal experiences without relying on the judgement of others to form our opinions. some people like peanut butter, some people hate it. the same will be true for any sort of program that encourages personal growth. it might work for you, it might not. but just because you dont like peanut butter doesnt mean you have to keep everyone else from eating it. let's show more respect for an individual's ability to understand herself and make the best choice *for her personal situation*. it might not be the same choice you would have made for yourself, but it's not your life. Personally, Dahn works for me. I feel more confident in my ability to contribute to the creation of the world I have dreamed of since I was a little girl, a world where people live by the values of love and respect for each other and the Earth. What was once an i
go see for yourself (cont)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 6:44 AM
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What was once an idealistic dream feels truly possible. Prior to beginning my Dahn training, I often felt frustrated and overwhelmed with the state of humanity, like there was no way I could ever make big enough change to make a real difference. I now feel deep hope for change in our human consciousness to a healthier, happier, more peaceful world. My experiences with Dahn have been only positive and I intend to continue my training, and sharing it with others, until I feel otherwise.
my experience
Posted by Anony | Sep. 1, 2007 at 6:40 AM
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It is so amazing that people are so influenced by a bunch of "experts" with ideas about organizations they really know nothing about! You can only judge something that you've experienced. How can you say that "i don't like cheese" when you never even took one bite! After doing Dahn, when you experience the phenomenal POSITIVE changes for your body, mind and spirit, you can better to form an opinion! Dahn is doing amazing things to help make individuals and families heal themselves and heal their communities all over this country and all over the world! So even if Dahn IS a cult, so what, the intentions are clear-cut and so pure. You should experience for yourself FIRST and THEN decide!
Ignorance is Bliss
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 7:21 AM
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To the one that believes everything you do in life is done free and by your choice: it seems you have no knowledge of cult mind control or undue influence. Tragic events like Heaven's Gate, Waco, Jonestown & yes even 9/11 don't happen because someone says, "Gee I'd like to join a cult today and make my life a living hell, give up my monies, my family, my education, my children, and perhaps ultimately commit suicide." The beginnings of cult involvement are not known up front - or people would never, ever join. Yoga is cool, why would you risk paying big bucks for a group that is known to have harmed lives? For those of us not willing to 'dabble' in Dahn feel free to share how your exercise and meditation effects our world for good. Nice try on recruiting others by the way.
what have you done?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 8:55 AM
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Simply ask yourself, what have you done, what are you doing for the consciousness of humanity? The betterment of humanity and the earth.
Wrong question
Posted by Susan | Sep. 1, 2007 at 9:50 AM
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Would it not make more sense in actuality to ask, "What am I going to do today to ease human suffering, to be compassionate to another, to encourage someone hurting, to lessen someone's burden, to teach by way of actions and loving behavior?" Not dwell on what I have "done" - but what concrete actions will I take today ~ and aspire to do tomorrow => focusing forward? Do not stagnate as a person in routine ways, ideas, or modes of thinking ---- keep moving forward and grow. When you sleep at night it will be peaceful because of your hands on pure efforts to ease the pain in the world. Be it a smile or a visit to the sick. If someone can show me how Dahn lessens human suffering with some true evidence (it is a big organization I understand) I'll be pleased no end. Till then I still wonder ~ where does the $$$ go, and how in concrete ways is the 'world' changed for the better by your exercise and meditation?
What is really happening
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 8:54 AM
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Recently I watched a movie at zeitgeistthemovie.com. It showed a lot of "Other" possible explanations on why we had 9-11, why do we have a federal reserve bank that the US Government is so indebted to. Who is behind these realities? What have the American people been told? Why are these wars happening? What is the history of the Bush family? Fellow Citizens of the world---Can you wake up to other possibilities? How long are we going to be stuck in this world that every one says is "lost".
Cont'd
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 10:08 AM
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The Dahn program has the best intentions among many other organizations out there. When someone said the world was round---and everyone else thought it was flat--what happened? We are fighting each other--and the bottom line is ===we are all right. Please look at the movie I mentioned above--and think again about the possibilities of our reality. Some day---we will all admit we are from nature. Someday we will depend more on our breathe than all this information.
How do Dahn critics help the world?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 10:40 AM
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What happened when everyone said the world was flat? Some continued to believe in their own reality that the world is flat because they could not see it as round with their own eyes and never listen to anyone else's observations and experiences but their own. What am I doing to help the world be a better place? Encouraging seekers not to get sucked into any cozy, mind-sucking cults that take your money to fill their own bank account while you walk around starry-eyed believing you are saving the world. Exercise and meditation are proven to make you feel fantastic, and we need more hugging and affection from each other, so yes let's wake up to that need and find ways to fill it without joining maniupulative organizations. And I'm not going to walk into a lion's den just to see if Lions really bite after other credible people have told me that they do and I have seen their wounds.
I don't want to fight, and I've witnessed very positive things :)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 12:04 PM
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I've been a very active member of Dahn for almost 3 years. In that time I have seen the following: *A close friend of mine who had severe bi-polar was able to stabalize through Dahn training enough to stop medication with DR. approval. *Another friend was able to over come his Heroin Addiction through Dahn Training. *I have seen young Dahn members passionate organizing and doing community service & outreach teaching (all voluntary). I am completing my college degree. I have a loving boyfriend who is not a Dahn Member. I see my parents at least once a month (we live 2 hours apart). I haven't been physically ill in any major way for 2 years (I used to get sick very frequently.)
Why?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 1:54 PM
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These are "miraculous" claims indeed. Severe Bi-polar is a mental illness that constitutes enormous suffering by patients and families and loved ones of the patient. It has been studied and researched much. Addictions of any kind ~ let alone Heroin or meth or alcohol have also cost untold lives to be ripped apart and turned upside down for a long history in time. Passionate community service and outreach ~ to my mind usually done humbly and for a cause that is named ~ not just alluded to. So why is it the Dahn organization - with deep pockets, accepts exhorbitant sums of money from a severe bi-polar normally spent on meds, and money from a heroin addict that would normally do rehab, money from an idealistic person who has a passion to help others place on their credit card? Would not doc's be handing out scripts for Dahn if it cured addictions, mental illness, and gave people zeal for community service? Would not there be 3rd party insurance reimbursement? Again where does this
A word of caution
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 4:04 PM
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As one who was raised in a destructive cult and who managed to tear myself away years later, I must concur that this article downplays the dangerous reality of mind control. Why quote sociologists who seem to speak more from an academic than an experiential standpoint? Why record the notion that brainwashing doesn't exist without providing the opposite view from other specialists (besides Steve Hassan) who have worked on cults? Of course we experience various influences in our lives, but some of them are clearly destructive, as when one is denied the ability to question or to think for oneself. That’s the very root of terrorism. Handing over one’s will to someone else, be it a master or a group, has tremendous consequences for one’s life and often for the lives of others as well. I guess that most people like me who have worked with Steve Hassan will testify that he is genuinely concerned to help others, not to take advantage of them. Why give voice to those sociologists who attempt to
A word of caution (continued)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 5:05 PM
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I understand if the main goal of the article is to stimulate debate about a controversial issue on the basis of an irresistibly good story, involving known personalities. But why bother suggesting that Steve Hassan may have an "inflated sense of how much help he can actually offer"? That statement strikes me as gratuitously unhelpful, especially considering the US government’s blotched job in Waco. If someone like Hassan had been consulted, perhaps he could have helped prevent this tragedy. Reading everyone’s comments, I am also surprised that many still don’t seem to realize how dangerous cults can be behind their attractive facade. Of course, no one would even start to get involved in a cult if it provided nothing but harmful experiences. It’s precisely to the degree that cults show a front of purity, integrity, altruism, health, etc., that they are able to entice idealistic people. And because these people who get ensnared are idealistic, it might take them a lifetime, if at all, to
A word of caution (completed)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 5:11 PM
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Ok, so this comment space is even shorter than it says (I counted less than 200 words in each portion of my text). Sorry. Here's the completed final sentence: And because these people who get ensnared are idealistic, it might take them a lifetime, if at all, to realize that they have handed over their precious self to another’s egotistical designs. There isn’t a single positive aspect to be found in a cult that cannot be found through one’s own means.
Thanks for the caution.........
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 6:58 PM
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These last comments point out many very clear truths ~ from a survivor's perspective, I concur whole-heartedly. I would bend over backward to save any one soul the living hell of finding one's life stolen through deceit, manipulation, and loss of freedom imposed by thought reform and cult mind control. This can happen to anyone. I would even venture to say that those who believe themselves above such ensnarement are prime candidates. You'll never really understand nor believe and appreciate how awesome and amazing the human mind is ~ till it is destroyed and the soul raped by narcissistic cult leaders/leadership who thrive on your person to even survive in life themselves. True enough - a mind is a terrible thing to waste ~ and to wrestle one's way back to health is daunting and hellish. But worth it for that freedom of life and new wisdom. Do not let this happen to you. If your "gut" is telling you something is wrong - believe it, get out, and evaluate life again - away from n
It is very different...
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 6:58 PM
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if you are a member your life will improve, it is when you work full time not part time that things are different! You believe you are not aware, not good enough, that you have bad energy, you need ssn, you need this path to complete your soul. There is a pre sbn training that is called the engagement period before you make the life commitment of sbn. Some jwjn's sleep at the center because they can only get 2 hour sleep. That is not healthy and it is not right! Also it is not Korean culture we called it dahn culture! No I think that the dahn centers do more bad then good and they should be closed!
Our breathe? Over information?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 1, 2007 at 11:23 PM
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Name me one day in any persons life where the idea isn't that if you are breathing you are alive ~ humans need to breathe. Breathing over information to sustain life? Now is that a revelation of some kind? Please. Seems the synapse connections of Dahn are really misfiring all the way around. I (yes while breathing) depend on my ability to think as a free person on planet earth. In that thinking I examine life and ways to encourage, support, serve and love ~ in a way that is not self-serving - but life-giving to all and for all. Education, knowledge and wisdom can come through processing information. When information is controlled and manipulated, when behaviors are prescribed, when thoughts are stopped, when emotions are played upon - the human person begins to decay. In that case yes, they may breathe, but they are the living dead. If air is all you require to live, see a shrink and make it in this week.
Religion Scientists - in the dark or in cahoots?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 2, 2007 at 11:25 AM
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Studies show exercise/meditation help drug addiction/ mental illness – nothing unique to Dahn here. I agree this article insulted Steve Hassan unnecessarily and left out other social psychology scholars. The religion sociologists mentioned in the article contend cult persuasion is tantamount to tv commercials/used car sales, and that anti-cultists are vigilant bigots attacking “new religious movements.” But anti-cultism includes secular mind-controlling groups too. And it’s not about religious belief; it’s about systematic manipulation to gain complete control over targetted individuals for the leaders’ personal benefit (sex, money, power, etc) Religion sociologists’ defense of (and sometimes connections with) damaging cults like the Unification Church and Scientology show how they miss the mark. The APA is way ahead of them, understanding that mind-control must be recognized and addressed, for the health of the nation and the world (think global terrorism). This reporter could h
(cont.) Religion Scientists - in the dark or in cahoots?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 2, 2007 at 11:42 AM
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This reporter could have referred to author Philip Zimbardo, past APA president, and could have included some authentic research on Dahn conducted by Cathleen Mann, PhD: click here
in response to the question
Posted by Melanie | Sep. 2, 2007 at 12:21 PM
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My beef with this article and this reporter lies not in what was not said on my behalf in the article, because there was never any plans for a section on me. But I do not like it when a reporter claims untruths, such as claiming that all ex-Dahn members were too fearful to publish their names. But the biggest let-down is when a reporter, such as Catherine Elton, decides to flip-flop. All I'm saying is I agreed to be interviewed for an article about Dahn-Hak, not for one that questions and the integrity and credibility of Steven Hassan. and to MICHELLE SEO: when I was a member, my instructors were in a constant process of destroying marriages,even cornering a girl in the change room ( I was there!)and asking her when is she going to quit her job and break up with her boyfriend? You have no idea, Michelle. Maybe you've already shed your earthly relationships? IE: dumped family and friends.Get out while you can.
U R not the only one.....Melanie
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 2, 2007 at 4:17 PM
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I do know that other contributers (as do you know) were interviewed and all the inputs, leads, and helpfulness was IGNORED. Hopefully the author is young and will learn from this huge slothful mistake. Maybe the editor will actually be helpful in the future before allowing this atrocity come to print. In any event ~ the dialogue through comments has proven out far better information than any gleaned by suffering through the article. For that alone I am grateful. Many inputs from different people have made it clear: mind control & undue influence ie: destructive cults are REAL. And can be deadly. Even the most self-assured saavy person on earth is as vulnerable to it's abuses as those that are hugely "stereo-typed" as weak and easily persuaded. Look at WWII and the halocaust ~ how many examples and tragedies of this magnitude does it take for people to LEARN & teach and pass on the preciousness of freedom of mind. Teach in schools the basics of social psychology and peer press
The Crucinble- circa 2008
Posted by April | Sep. 3, 2007 at 8:56 AM
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I was in Dahn for almost a year, and I heard some of the horror stories. From reading these comments, I gather no one is listening to anyone- and there is no real dialogue. As far as I am concerned, Steve Hassan believes he is right and Ari Laquidara believes he is right. The negative experiences depicted here-in are all (as was pointed out several times) negative things that any corporation or business would experience over a period of time. Do we really not know anyone who hated their school or their job? The evils and/or benefits of Ilchi Lee's teachings are there for everyone to see. It's really amazing to watch this lynch-mob mentality going after Dahn: No Kool-Aid, no suicides, one unfortunate death in how many years(?) and with how many members? And probably no less pressure on members/customers than financial brokers, Jehovah Witnesses or the PTA put on us every day- All this bombastic pontificating about how awful it is! Get a life, people. Go out and rent the Oxbow Incident
The Crucible- circa 2008
Posted by April | Sep. 3, 2007 at 9:26 AM
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movie and see what you all sound like. I Left Dahn (easily, by the way) because I couldn't afford it in my budget- I made other choices; but after reading all this anger and finger-pointing, I might just go back and start recruiting for them. (Kidding- but - get over it, everyone- Life is too short).
I love it
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 3, 2007 at 2:04 PM
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The wonderful glib "just get over it!" tack. Perfect. The - only one death - from a fellow human being. The full time Dahn-a-matics that do break-free with no money, no self-esteem, wasted years to look upon, fractured relationships, lost opportunities to grow in education and careers that matter, left with dissociative disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder minimally ~ are all going to look at that credit card bill in the mail, those bizarre behaviors unbeknownst to them caused by instilled phobias, mental confusion and difficulty in making decisions, huge trust issues, going to a funeral of a fellow member - sure we'll all just get over it. While you pretend to know no one that has ended there life from the devastation wrought by Dahn. Corporate whoas & problems?? Where did all your money go? For a mat on the floor and some cool music? Glad U got out ~ if one person had been give some safe real Kool-Aid she wouldn't have died now would she? Just get over it. I love it.
talk about over reacting
Posted by Anon | Sep. 3, 2007 at 2:42 PM
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I believe one or two people may have died in Marine boot camp, as well. Let's disband the whole infantry. (Jeez!)
Dahn does more good than bad
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 3, 2007 at 4:31 PM
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Dahn Yoga has worked with the Avon Walk, MS Society, and is currently also working with City Year, to give a few examples. Not all the instructors, or masters, are alike--you don't judge Bank of America based on one or two employees you met at one particular branch. My instructors always emphasized that what I do is my choice, and that my life is mine to create as I desire. I found Dahn personally helpful and inspiring and empowering, and I know a lot of people whose benefitted from it greatly. For example, there was a lady who couldn't feel her feet at all before, and after the training was so grateful to be able to jump! Dahn helps people to make miracles. I think science just hasn't caught up to it yet.
seeing with your eyes closed
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 3, 2007 at 4:46 PM
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I also wanted to let you know that there are now thousands of children who can see with their eyes closed. It's not deception. This was a big deal in Korea because all the children who worked hard to develop that ability, and their parents, were outraged at basically being accused of lying. This is not just one or two exceptional cases, and science says that if the phenomenon can be repeated, it's science. The kids don't get the cards right 100% of the time--it really requires some serious concentration and effort. But the whole point of it is not to show you that some people can see with their eyes closed; the point is to demonstrate the infinite potential of the human brain. There was a recent Olympiad in New York with different competitions for HSP (Heightened Sensory Perception) for which even Hillary Clinton wrote a letter of support.
money
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 3, 2007 at 4:51 PM
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As for the money, it's not as expensive as medication, or surgery, for example, and dedicated practice has been the primary factor for some people in healing even cancer. So if you think about it that way, it's not too expensive. And as for where the money goes, if you ask an instructor what happens to the money received for memberships and programs, they will probably explain that it goes to pay taxes, rent, salaries, and other expenses first--the same as any other business. Whatever is left over is used for investment as well as program development, etc. Do people ask where the profits go for companies like Burger King or Staples? I think people who take a positive attitude toward what Dahn Yoga can offer them tend to experience much more positive benefits, and all I can say is that instead of being biased against something you don't really know about just because it's different, I hope that people will at least give themselves a chance to have the deeply rewarding experiences it
Where's the proof?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 3, 2007 at 7:12 PM
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"there are now thousands of children who can see with their eyes closed. It's not deception." And if you discovered that Ilchi Lee is being deceptive, then you'd just say that it doesn't matter anyway because Burger King can be deceptive too. Out of those thousands of kids, why hasn't a single one applied for James Randi Foundation million dollar prize? You can feed a lot of hungry mouths with that much money. Don't you wonder why not? No scientist worth his salt would do a large public group "test" and call it a scientific experiment. You can look like a published scientist if you open your own research labs and publish your work in your own journals. It creates a good illusion of credibility especially for people who don't know how science works. I don't know Hilary Clinton's excuse for endorsing Ilchi Lee's ESP, but I'd bet she didn't have a clue that she was doing that. If she did, she won't get my vote.
Interesting ....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 6:30 AM
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This new thing about children seeing with their eyes closed. Raises more questions than answers.... 1.) Why would closing your eyes other than during sleep be beneficial? 2.) It takes energy to close your eyes during awake hours of the day - they normally just blink for a nano-second now and again so what is it that's beneficial about closing the eyes of children - that normally would be open? 3.) Is there some reward for "training" to see with your eyes closed? What do the kids think? 4.) Do the kids judge each other - some playing with eyes closed and others with eyes open? How would they know unless they took a peek who was doing what? 5.) Instead of playing outside they "train" for prolonged periods of time to do this - why? 6.) Don't people close their eyes when they don't want to see - I would hate to lose that function, having to see all the time. This has to be psychologically freaky to have in one's childhood - this training. If this is a "claim to fame" of Dahn -
If they opened their eyes, they might use their brain and see the truth.
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 11:30 AM
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Some would call it child abuse. The kids are probably having fun, though, as long as they don't really believe this garbage. Dahn convinces parents and other customers that their techniques can expand the brain so much that children who do their programs can even see colors and shapes with their eyes closed (blindfolded) - a pointless ability anyway, as you pointed out. Ironically, in the name of "brain education," they are teaching children NOT to open their eyes (so to speak), NOT to use their brain to learn critical-thinking, like the scientific method, to discover if they are or are not developing supernatural powers here. Dahn uses pseudoscience, not science, and he's succeeding in gaining a huge following. You can see why, when you read some of the excuses posted here.
Dahn gives hope to everyone from children to adults to people in their golden years
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 1:12 PM
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Actually Ilchi Lee has co-written a book with a man designated as a national scientist in Korea. He is the founder and president of the Korea Institute of Brain Science (KIBS), which received a unanimous vote to be designated as an NGO in Roster Consultative Status of the Economic and Social Council in the United Nations. The facts that support the positive impact of Brain Education are really overwhelming. The detention rate at a Native American reservation went down to 0% after the introduction of Brain Education classes. DahnYoga, which uses Brain Education programs, simply helps people to use more than 5 to 10% of their brain’s potential. As I mentioned, the point is not to see with your eyes closed, but to use more of the brain. Those children also expand the capacity of their memory, enhance their imagination and creativity, and strengthen their physical bodies as well. It’s about learning to communicate with your own body and brain to become healthy, happy, and peaceful. Peopl
Dahn gives hope to everyone from children to adults to people in their golden years
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 1:35 PM
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Actually Ilchi Lee has co-written a book with a man designated as a national scientist in Korea. He is the founder and president of the Korea Institute of Brain Science (KIBS), which received a unanimous vote to be designated as an NGO in Roster Consultative Status of the Economic and Social Council in the United Nations. The facts that support the positive impact of Brain Education are really overwhelming. The detention rate at a Native American reservation went down to 0% after the introduction of Brain Education classes.
(cont.)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 1:35 PM
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DahnYoga, which uses Brain Education programs, simply helps people to use more than 5 to 10% of their brain’s potential. As I mentioned, the point is not to see with your eyes closed, but to use more of the brain. Those children also expand the capacity of their memory, enhance their imagination and creativity, and strengthen their physical bodies as well. It’s about learning to communicate with your own body and brain to become healthy, happy, and peaceful. People already know that there’s a lot you miss with just the five basic senses. And just like you can improve your sensitivity to anything with training (a dancer is more likely to be aware of her body than a trucker), with training, you can access parts of the brain that remain unused in most people. Again, it is HSP – Heightened Sensory Perception. Anyone can do it, with the right training and practice. And actually, Ms. Clinton is not the only one who endorses Brain Education. 9 cities in the US have proclaimed a day in Ilchi
(cont. -- last one)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 1:42 PM
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Brain Education already has and continues to make a real and positive difference in the lives of many people, young and old. The children do not judge each other; I’ve found that, normally, the contestants of a competition do not judge each other. Anyway, I think I’ve made it clear that the main point is not seeing with your eyes closed (which takes a lot of effort, by the way. It’s not something you can’t control.) The children who practice HSP say that they feel much more confident, especially when it comes to their academic ability (they remember and understand more, and it makes studying easier), that they feel happy, and that they realize they have conscious control of their emotions, thoughts, and actions.
(cont., sorry for overlap..)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 1:42 PM
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Again, it is HSP – Heightened Sensory Perception. Anyone can do it, with the right training and practice. And actually, Ms. Clinton is not the only one who endorses Brain Education. 9 cities in the US have proclaimed a day in Ilchi Lee’s name. A Brain Education Week was announced in New York. Brain Education already has and continues to make a real and positive difference in the lives of many people, young and old. The children do not judge each other; I’ve found that, normally, the contestants of a competition do not judge each other. Anyway, I think I’ve made it clear that the main point is not seeing with your eyes closed (which takes a lot of effort, by the way. It’s not something you can’t control.) The children who practice HSP say that they feel much more confident, especially when it comes to their academic ability (they remember and understand more, and it makes studying easier), that they feel happy, and that they realize they have conscious control of their emotions, though
What am I missing?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 2:31 PM
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I thought Dahn Yoga claims were about some kind of heightened consciousness that benefits humanity. Am I way off the mark? When & where was it decided that I need a brain re-train to be compassionate? My brain works quite well, the children I work with in my profession are beyond brilliant from any socio-economic status, race, religion, gender etc. etc. So what am I not understanding? That we as humans need to go beyond "natural" brains ~ in order to live in peace and harmony? Yes I know of scientific advances in neuro-feedback, real science. For ADHD, depression and all manner of things attributed to brains that may show some need for extra care. I know that classes for children like outdoor living skills, camping, fishing, foster a sense of self-confidence and belonging. As do art, music, acting, surfing etc. They are clearly not blind-folded. Basic humanity wouldn't allow a would-be Dahn instructor to die of dehydration and heat exhaustion. That's just wrong. What am I mi
Questions and thoughts on Dahn
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 7:28 PM
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This article is one of missed opportunities. It could have found out if Dahn’s hsp/esp works. A Dahn scientist I chatted with told of how this kind of science he wouldn’t be able to do in his country. Why is that? Or whether Lee’s in print claims to have done without food, water or sleep for 21 days being true. Lee makes some incredible claims also of miraculous healing powers, but none of them scientifically proven. Is there a reason for Lee not being tested? It also would have been informative to have gotten an interview in this story with Lee himself. He must have an opinion about those who have raised legitimate questions of his business. One of these would be of contrasting lifestyles between that of Lee’s family and those of the employees. Is Lee not giving interviews?
More questions and thoughts
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 7:37 PM
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Is Lee not giving interviews? Who are the nebulous people in South Korea slandering Dahn? Is Charles Laquidara, `the big mattress’ really capable of getting others in the media to attack Dahn? If so whom did he contact? Where all the CBS stations in 2006 from New York to Phoenix acting at the prompting of Laquidara? Or were the experiences of ex-members who had suffered compelling enough to gain tv coverage? Don’t people deserve to know of a person suffering a nervous breakdown from a Dahn weekend and others encountering high-pressure sales? To the books, yes they do tell of Dahn’s beliefs, none of the one’s I read give a clear, straightforward background of Lee. Yet this is the man that is revered by some in Dahn in a very religious way. I attended an event that had Lee and there were members crying, shaking like in an old time gospel revival.
you are crazy!
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 7:21 PM
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The city's that did Ilchi lee day had no idea he was a spiritual leader! The healers wrote letters asking for it and was told not to include any info about that. Also they were told not to cry or bow to him in front of others. Life out of dahn is so much brighter! Another thing they tell you is how popular this practice is in Korea....it is not! They had to change their name for in the us so their bad name would not follow. Most Koreans don't like dahn! They need to bring in the children so they can control the us in the future. The healers want to try to get the program in the public schools. They think it will help save the earth.
Final thoughts and questions
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 7:40 PM
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Can Dahn explain why Lee registered in Arizona for a while the `Dahn Meditation Church, inc’? If Dahn has never been a religion why was has it been registered like one in the past? Is this a possibility for the future, Dahn as a religion such as Scientology? There is as well why so many corporate names from the non-profit Tao Fellowship to Oasis Arabians. Does Dahn trying to hide things?
Not that hard to do if you have clout
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 7:02 PM
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Politicians' endorsements aren't hard to get, especially when devotees heavily pursue them, probably under directive from above. Politicians know that money talks, and so does shaking hands with a popular foreign figure. George Bush endorsed Rev. Moon; does that make Moon not a control-freak cult leader? How many endorsed Hitler? (I'm not saying Lee is a Hitler, just making a point.) It's not hard to get consultative status from the UN either; thousands have it. If you really look at the Brain Respiration studies, if you can find any real details, you can see that these studies were run and evaluated by Dahn devotees or by Seung Heun Lee himself (certainly not impartial), or it was a "pilot" study which means almost nothing, or there was no control group of an identical sample that used other types of programs. Those "studies" that don't show what they want you to believe are just not mentioned. We all support "brain education," right? Now "BR Consulting" (Ilchi Lee) has applied to t
cont. Not that hard to do if you have clout...
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 8:10 PM
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CONTINUING… to the USPTO to trademark the term “brain education,” and other generic terms. They trademark new names all the time, ones that people wouldn’t recognize as Dahn names, like EC&C group and Brain Education for Enhanced Learning as they spread to company in-service training programs and public education. A lot like Scientology and the Moonies, two huge known manipulative organizations. (You can search the USPTO TESS databank under owner BR Consulting.)
Power to Choose
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 4, 2007 at 8:24 PM
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I think the bottom line is that everyone should have a power to choose, based on the best information possible. The best information comes from personal experience, and NOT from the media or others' opinions. Please do not choose to place judgement on ANYTHING (even a new food dish, like my mom always taught) until you have tried it yourself first. I used to sniff at the new "exotic" food, but was warned by my parents that I had no right to reject it until I tasted it first, THEN I earned the right to say "no" to it! Ari's dad did the best possible research by trying it out himself. Bravo! If we all remember this, there can be no mind control possible. We are the masters of our own minds, always!
Drawing the line......
Posted by Susan | Sep. 4, 2007 at 11:11 PM
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I firmly draw a line when it comes to the abuse of children by any group or person. Does the US Army know about this? They are there in Korea ~ I must find out. Indoctrinated adults with children. The most vulnerable of all humanity - precious children. Completely reliant upon the parent for absolutely everything. Dahn swoops in....using cult mind control to blind-fold children and train them for more brain power. Taking away anyone's sight is a very memorable experience. Even if encouraged to just "try" a few moments of life without vision. You just don't forget it. Sight is precious and gives you information for survival. Children are blindfolded to the parents end....who are serving Dahn's end. What will it take for people to "see" what cult mind control can do to normal people? Blind-folding and having children concentrate to see what may or may not be there. To have bigger brains for the future. This is madness. A prime example of the worst of the worst. Get out -
Might be better
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 5, 2007 at 5:36 AM
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To have Dahn devotees regain and preserve the 5 to 10% of their functioning brain that was given as the base to "build upon". This whole brain thing reminds me of some kind of Super-Hero comic book. Kids flippin' pages in a tent at summer camp with a flash-light - going WOW! These Dahn guys know how to make me jump higher, get super intelligent, have me immune from ever getting sick! WOW! Coooool! Kid pulls out his personal blind-fold from a cereal box to wear at play at the lake the next day. Yet adults are believing this stuff. "Spreading the word" about this stuff ~ like it is going to impact universe in a meaningful way. This gets more bizarre with each comment. Do what you must - but leave the kids out of it ~ their brains are just fine as they are. In this case not pulling down a huge paycheck proves fruitful ~ not being able to afford Dahn is a very good thing indeed. Take a brisk walk, breathe fresh air, ponder the goodness around you, lend a hand to someone in need
Dahn profits well spent?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 5, 2007 at 9:33 AM
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Here's where over a million dollars of Dahn profits went: "The Han Munhwa Movement Federation have placed 369 statues of Tangun, the country's mythical leader, on the grounds of primary schools and public parks—at a total price of 1.5 billion Won (US$1,355,000). The Christian Council of Korea is protesting the statues, saying they encourage paganism and teach incorrect history. Thirty-eight of the statues have been beheaded, and police blame Christian Council members." click here
Is Dahn a Religion?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 5, 2007 at 5:28 PM
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“The Dahn World School, or Danhak, a school of internal alchemy with a sizeable following in the United States, is in fact an offshoot of Taejonggyo, although it denies it and downplays the connections to Taejonggyo, particularly ouside Korea (but a large statue of Tan’gun has been erected outside its U.S. headquarters in Sedona, and passages from Taejonggyo’s scriptures are still memorized by members).” click here ON THE OTHER HAND: "Dahn Yoga is not a Religion, and it is certainly not a cult. Its members come from all walks of life, belief and spiritual backgrounds," says Dahn on its website. click here
Not really too worried where members come from.....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 5, 2007 at 7:47 PM
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I am concerned where they think they are going to. Dahn must really take us for a bunch of idiots. Very interesting post above for sure. So it isn't rocket science to see any person of any ~ livlihood (except of course the poor) ~ coming from any belief system ~ and embracing any spirituality (in other words any human that has a big bank account) can be taken in by Dahn. My guess is that they don't print that they are "a" religion - they believe perhaps they are "the" religion, and perhaps as well they type they are not "a" cult - I then type correct Dahn - you are a destructive cult - there certainly is a huge difference in the two.
Personally, I love Dahn And my Experience there.
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 6, 2007 at 5:17 PM
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I have been Practising dahn for almost three years now and have loved every part of my experience; both the ups and the downs. I hope that those who post negative comments can have a little bit more of an open mind, and that those who are blindly gung ho also choose to continuously open their minds. Dahn's mission, to help people to become more harmonious and create peace in the world is not only pure, but also requires such an open mind. I feel that through training I have fostered and grown a sense of love for myself and others and whether or not you try or practise Dahn that you also want that. I hope that everyone can relax a bit more and let go of useless stress. Feel free to ask me any questions about my experience there I will do my best to answer. thank you.
Yes I do have questions.....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 5:47 AM
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It would seem after reviewing the comments that there is variance ~ from gung-ho to great trepidation re: dahn. That speaks to me as a controversial group that was worthy of the spotlight in Boston Mag. Open minds are "open" ~ questioning and use critical thinking skills to draw conclusions. I can foster peace and harmony in the world by "ordinary" means. Meditate, exercise, pray, play, work with others. I connect with people continuously - to bring joy. There are no "downs" with this system for nurturing life & happiness, it morphs and is refined daily. Question: with all the "downs" presented - deceit, manipulation &power-plays, losing the money trail, nervous breakdowns, death ... somehow the ends (peace???harmony???)justify the means - harming people by their own report. Why would a person join a group as this when you can bring love, peace, harmony to the world for "free" while being free.
re: I have a question
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 8:07 AM
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I feel that although I am part of a group I am as free as I ever was. I can never be less free. I feel empowered. I believe that if I was not part of this group that I would still brighten peoples day and open doors and give massages for my grandmother; however Like minds attract one another (you and I must be very alike) and so as we attract one another and agree to come together the power of our intention grows and that power can reach out and to benefit more people. This is the essence of the orginzation. I am curious and inquisitive and playfull and joyful. I have always questioned and sought after what is the deepest and truest intention in my heart. Ive also sought that from whatever group I am apart of, whether it be dahn, my country, my school, my business, or my personal relationships. I believe that the depth of my exploration creates the same depth in my result.
re: I have a question (con't)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 9:20 AM
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In other words, as I meditate on my own, which I do at least twice per day, and as I teach others I am deeply reconnecting to my original intention, the one I have had since before I was born. And when I am connected there and I am creating from there and what I am creating is helping others and feeling great as I do so. I feel empowered to reach out and create a greater impact with a group then without; however I do not feel trapped, rather Dahn is a tool for me to use. As Dahn deals with Ups and downs, which are as natural as day and night, Dahn becomes part of a balancing of energy that is helping them both grow and expand as well as reflect and adjust. Through all of the "downs" dahn has had a chance to see what does not work and in seeing so, and in staying true to their original intention, has a chance to better serve their original purpose of fostering an orgination that embraces the empowerment, growth, and peace in individuals as well as the whole.
re: I have a question (con't)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 9:20 AM
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In other words, as I meditate on my own, which I do at least twice per day, and as I teach others I am deeply reconnecting to my original intention, the one I have had since before I was born. And when I am connected there and I am creating from there and what I am creating is helping others and feeling great as I do so. I feel empowered to reach out and create a greater impact with a group then without; however I do not feel trapped, rather Dahn is a tool for me to use. As Dahn deals with Ups and downs, which are as natural as day and night, Dahn becomes part of a balancing of energy that is helping them both grow and expand as well as reflect and adjust. Through all of the "downs" dahn has had a chance to see what does not work and in seeing so, and in staying true to their original intention, has a chance to better serve their original purpose of fostering an orgination that embraces the empowerment, growth, and peace in individuals as well as the whole.
re: I have a question (con't)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 9:20 AM
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In other words, as I meditate on my own, which I do at least twice per day, and as I teach others I am deeply reconnecting to my original intention, the one I have had since before I was born. And when I am connected there and I am creating from there and what I am creating is helping others and feeling great as I do so. I feel empowered to reach out and create a greater impact with a group then without; however I do not feel trapped, rather Dahn is a tool for me to use. As Dahn deals with Ups and downs, which are as natural as day and night, Dahn becomes part of a balancing of energy that is helping them both grow and expand as well as reflect and adjust. Through all of the "downs" dahn has had a chance to see what does not work and in seeing so, and in staying true to their original intention, has a chance to better serve their original purpose of fostering an orgination that embraces the empowerment, growth, and peace in individuals as well as the whole...
re: I have a question (con't) (end)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 9:20 AM
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. In others words, of course the people in Dahn do not want to harm, deciept, or manipulate people in anyway, and by seeing all the ways that this powerful practise can be interpretted as doing so they have a foothold from which to change and grow from. I have personally seen this happen through the many inititives like the ones spoken about in the article. Some have worked and some have not, But their beginnings are from the questions such as the ones from this article and the responses to it. And so becuase I promote the success of any orginazation that empowers others such as Dahn does, I am greatful that there are such questions from open minded people such as yourself to serve as a place to grow and change from. So thank you I'll post one tip that they give in Dahn(but not only dahn): smile first.
Sorry about the many posts thing
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 9:29 AM
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My computer was acting a little funny. : )
I continue to wonder.....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 11:16 AM
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what it is about "dahn" that causes one to want to join and stay in the organization. Is it a sense of belongingness? Is it touching a spiritual/religious core you feel inside? Would you be able to "do" dahn without "belonging" to dahn? Is truly the "group" mentality that brings you wholeness ~ knowing you could meditate and exercise without paying the sums required at the YMCA or another club. I read and reread the term empowered/power in the comment - so somehow dahn touches people who feel a deep "lack of power" in their lives? Does balancing energy mean that they somehow "accept" or "surrender" to another's way (dahn) to achieve that sense of empowerment? What is peaceful about being powerful? In a humanitarian sense power only increases responsibility for right. Growth and new beginnings are wonderful ~ I adore the nurtured growing human of any age......but do many people do "dahn" out of some sense of idealism or spirited hopes that there is one prescribed way that humani
Continued
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 11:35 AM
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A certain "way" for humanity that works best, hence more & more centers? What type of tragedy will it take, what will be the "last straw" before one will leave dahn - when effective change is not met? In other words - I see an open soul desiring change (after the comments presented - ie; who wouldn't want change to wellness in the group) but after all it seems that most of the complaints of manipulation that are presented are from those who "dared" to climb to leadership positions. They then crashed and burned, brokedown, or died. If higher-ups are under that kind of influence to sleep little, push bodies beyond their capability to death - what will make one leave aside from yet another tragedy? Maybe mind control is really effective to a large extent in the group - more than people know. In that case over time more and more lives will amount to ruin. I'm really hoping people aren't turning a deaf ear to real hard-core problems here. I wish everyone the best possible outcome th
Just smile your concerns about Dahn away ;-)
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 2:34 PM
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Did anyone else notice all the new Ilchi Lee blogs lately? They must have gotten a directive from above to advertise Ilchi Lee, to make his name come up on Google with all these fan blogs. I suspect that they won the contest mentioned in this article using the same kind of method. All the lonely people, feeling free while following like sheep. Everyone knows that smiling can change your emotions to a happier feeling. That's why some people smile when they hear bad news, as a defense. But it's not healthy to hide every emotion behind a smile, every negative thought replaced by a smile. Yikes! A world of smiling zombies. If some people came here to warn against what they see or have experienced as a deceptive business, why should they smile? Is world peace according to Ilchi Lee a world of smiling, meditating sheep bowing a thousand times a day to his image or to Dangun/Tangun? I fear so, and I don't feel like smiling about it, thank you very much.
Good point about the infamous cult smile....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 7, 2007 at 6:09 PM
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This plastered smile phenomena runs the gamut of destructive cults be they business, psychotherapy, religious, etc. Smiles suck people in. Smiles draw you to want to know more ~ what is it they are smiling about? Ever meet a grumpy, sad, grumbling, snarling, seething, cult recruiter? No ~ rather they get in your face SMILE :-) BIG & ask you if you care about world hunger. No not this week my friend said, I'm working on world peace, hunger is next week. A friend out west joined Dahn. He said it was very expensive several times when we talked. He then said he was chastised for "groaning" for difficult maneuvers - then chastised for "sweating" too much, got chastised yet again for pouring water over his head to cool off in the parking lot. He smiled big one day and told me he got the prized "ATTA BOY!" for doing something right. Obvious manipulation here - suck in, tear down, build up - but this story had a happy ending. He quit. He chose freedom over indoctrination.
From Heart to Heart
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 8, 2007 at 9:42 PM
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By making harmony with a group of like minded individuals the ripples that you create are more effective. And if the original mind that brings individuals together is that of teaching and creating peace from the individual to the world then that will create a great and positive difference. It takes a person who is centered with a powerful sense of self to take responsibility for how they feel. You cannot change or control all of your circumstances and no matter if they are great or horrible all you can take responsibility for is how you feel and what vibes you have and give off. For example, you cannot simply change that there is violence in the world or that there is corruption in the government or that there are over 30000 McDonalds, you can only choose how you feel and act and what you wish to focus upon. When I suggested smiling I did that to help you to focus upon what makes you happy and to empower you to choose and create from there. If you feel more empowered to create wh
H2H Cont
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 8, 2007 at 10:42 PM
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. If you feel more empowered to create what you want as an angry person then choose from there. I am not being facetious, anger is much better then despair and if it makes you feel better to be angry then do so, but as a person responsible for yourself I recommend that keep processing, keep feeling, and keep reaching for what thoughts feel better. If anger helps you to move from despair maybe you will find frustration will help you move from there, and from there you aren’t to far away from hope and from hope you might start to feel genuinely happy. And, from my experience, a smile is just going to help you get there. If you deeply trust yourself you will look for people’s souls and there pure intention and you will see through all of the information triggers that block you from being the very profound person you truly are. And when you are not trusting yourself you will be looking for justification for why you should not trust. As a soulful person you would not simply sit cr
H2H end
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 8, 2007 at 10:44 PM
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As a soulful person you would not simply sit criticize; rather, you would always choose how you want to feel and interpret information from there in the way that best serves your soul and most widely benefit the Earth. Dahn is continuously sending a stream of wellness into the community and by focusing upon that wellness, not upon Dahn or its many faults, but upon the wellness, you too can contribute. So how can you contribute? I hope that you smile and feel your heart. And if bowing is how you choose to practice to purify your energy body, strengthen your physical body, and tune into wellness then I wish you joy as you do that, and if it is swimming, running, or doing reps and sets in the gym then I also wish that you do that with a mind that is focused upon what you love. I have never met a grumpy, sad, grumbling, snarling, seething, cult recruiter, but if I did I would probably suggest that she smile as well; I might even suggest she try Dahn. :)
A few things I noticed here....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 9, 2007 at 4:26 AM
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First I'd like to say that it's not making harmony with "like-minded individuals" that makes change in the world ~ it's rather making genuine love your aim - with those that are not "like-minded" ... one says nothing much, the other brings healing. Another is that I do not entirely base my life's actions on how I feel - hence I'm not "driven" to smile. What I feel at any given time is real ~ I do own it. This is healthy ~ actions are not based on fleeting "feelings" but on genuine love of people and self. Dahn does not hold the "keys" to sending wellness into the community or world at large any more than any person born. Dahn does however (if having any conscience) need to stop harming individuals lives through cruelty, manipulation and deceit, stop charging "lost" exhorbitant money for a hidden agenda masking as "unique" things that can be freely CHOSEN by any individual - ie: how you think, feel, act. Dahn could make reparation for the damages wrought to date. That would have me ge
Continued...
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 9, 2007 at 5:09 AM
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Making reparation for those harmed would have me genuinely smile. I am not going to be side-lined by a request to not focus upon Dahn and it's many faults, in a magazine article about Dahn. If you wish to bring true joy ~ again show me concrete evidence of sought after healthy change. True leaders only lead in the amount that they serve others in goodness. What is your plan Dahn to pull away from self-serving? ~ May I see in print your money trail? May I see a list of all the names of groups that are Dahn - but evidenced as something else? Dahn - be a true leader by seeking out all those wounded by you & gift them with money for honest therapy to heal ~ cult trauma is devastating. Violating people's trust is not excusable. I too am in advocacy of freedom to choose one's way in life ~ that is what is at question here.............why is it hard for people to leave a destructive group? It is mind control ~ and yes there is help out there if you fall victim - send the bill to Dahn,
About emotion.......
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 9, 2007 at 5:35 AM
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Consider how it looks........behaviours being prescribed, information given to members is distorted or flat out lying, no negative member thoughts or ideas are concretely expressed, and emotions are masked (by a smile). Can you see this as a maninpulative process? Have you checked out how 2 + 2 = 3 in this particular group? I would much rather have someone experience some uncomfortable dissonance in what they think and perceive as questionable or just bad news to what the group chooses to show to the world "always being and feeling happy" and be REAL ... than follow because they tell themselves "things will get better" "it can't be like this forever" "once I am an instructor I will be worthy" "hey credit cards are meant to be used" "I don't really care what the evidence shows, I'm still doing this because I want to" What kind of true peace is in telling oneself lies? Feelings over and above rational thought sounds very dangerous to me, "mind sucking" bliss. Clue: if it "feels" v
Lastly
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 9, 2007 at 5:58 AM
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If it "feels" very difficult to leave, or impossible to leave - you need to examine why this is. It takes courage to face the interior struggle while in a destructive cult ~ and leave. You worry about the time and money and life you've "wasted". You wonder what others may think and say. You may fear your safety. Many things are difficult when facing facts - that you've been used and exploited or abused. That is no reason to stay in! Life is for the living ~ and as long as you are living you would benefit by living free. It is the far better choice. There is support, seek it out...to get out, and to help you get strong "on your own". You are a wonderful person, a worthy person, and much loved. Be gentle and honest with yourself, hugely honest. That is all I could hope for.
What do you want?
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 9, 2007 at 4:15 PM
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If you really want to focus on and create genuine love, you should find a way to feel love towards this group and the individuals that comprise it. Can you look into your heart and feel love and compassion for this group, what about Ilchi Lee? Mind you, I am not asking if you to agree with their methods or message, but rather can you focus on love when it comes to this group? Think about it, would love chastise and belittle this group or to focus on its positive aspects? If you were to get the answers to the questions about money and organizational data that you ask for would you use them to destroy or create? You are passionate and very intelligent, your feelings were clearly hurt and violated, do you seek retribution through annihilation, or would you rather find joy through creation and expansion? Start by creating a list of positive things that initially attracted you to Dahn, then create a list of contrasting experiences that had you feeling so upset. Use that list of cont
What do you want? Cont
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 9, 2007 at 4:16 PM
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Use that list of contrasting experiences as well as the positive aspects to discover what it was that you are looking for now. For example, I like that Dahn taught me new and creative ways to use my body and I like that I learned to feel energy in the class, but I do not like that it costs so much, and I do not like being asked to sign up for programs more then once; therefore, I know that I want creative ways to use my body and energy that costs very little money and to be in a situation that I am not asked repeatedly to sign up for programs. Since, you are experiencing both what you are wanting and what you are not wanting you have a basis upon which to grow from. Some people are wanting exactly what Dahn is offering and some people are not, and for others Dahn is so close to what they are wanting that they stay despite some of the negatives and others leave.
What do you want? lastly
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 9, 2007 at 4:18 PM
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Senior masters leave and beginners stay, beginners leave and senior masters stay. Along the way true practitioners are always Checking their result and taking action to line up with their original purpose (which is not manipulation and deceit, but love and healing.) This is a standard part of the practice called PDCA (plan, do, check, act) it is also common in other businesses. When you focus on what you want you bring more of that into your life, when you focus on what you do not want then you bring that into your life. So as you write and express look deeper into what you want, not what you do not want, and focus there. This way we will create something beautiful together. Thank you.
Where do you draw the line?
Posted by anonymity | Sep. 9, 2007 at 5:30 PM
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Anthony, do you ever draw the line? Eg., You wouldn’t join the Nazi party, would you? -- ignoring the bad because the good resonates with you personally? (That's an extreme example, but just to make my point.) The dispute here seems to be that some people have shown Dahn to be an INHERENTLY manipulative and deceptive company. It would take a complete restructuring of Dahn's leadership and operations to eliminate the problems. You choose to defend them, to see only the good and forgive or overlook the bad. Where do you draw the line? A death in healer training? No. A lawsuit for money laudering and sexual exploitation? No. Reports from many individuals of coercive methods, to gain devotion and money sometimes emptying bank accounts and retirement funds? No. Masters working for little while leadership amass personal wealth? No. When do you say: This is not NORMAL ups and downs? (I'm not the same person you've been sparring with here, just so you know.)
How I focus
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 9, 2007 at 6:31 PM
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If I personally was abused or coerced into doing something that was morally violating to me, I would “draw the line.” I experience Dahn as a practice that helps me to deeply connect with my self and that empowers me to affect a change in my life and the lives of those around me. I am aware of the claims that you are addressing here, but have not experienced them, nor do I pass judgment. The death of Julia Silvers during MIT training is hugely upsetting and saddening for me. I do not blame Dahn for this. I recognize that it was her choice to have participated in the training and exceed life’s limits. I am also aware of many changes in the procedures and safety protocol since then. I pray that her soul finds a deep peace and joy through this transition.
How I focus (end)
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 9, 2007 at 7:30 PM
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The weaknesses in the business of the organization, and most of the general difficulty, come from trying to infuse a practice that originated in Korea with an American culture. I am very grateful that despite difficulties the instructors are still trying and I admire their integrity. It is a precious opportunity to learn from a culture other then my own. I allow the weaknesses to help me research how I myself can grow and improve as a healer and a businessman. As I practice I continue to focus on my dreams and goals and use what is useful to me and do not focus on what is not. I am enjoying this process of writing and growing together and would love to hear your positive messages.
In what ways?
Posted by anonymity | Sep. 9, 2007 at 7:46 PM
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"trying to infuse a practice that originated in Korea with an American culture."............ Anthony, can you please be specific. In what ways?
As I see Dahn's "business problems"
Posted by anonymity | Sep. 10, 2007 at 9:50 AM
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Asking another way: How can Dahn's difficulties and troubles in how they run their business be attributed to their trying to infuse Korean culture into Western culture? As I see it, it's the nouveau materialistism in Korea's culture that Ilchi Lee brought to the practice of Dahn and then exported to Western culture, already poised to buy anything tied up in a tidy little package, including spirituality. I think that's why we see greed and exploitation at the top, which filters down to instructors who put undo pressure on customers and apply manipulative methods (trance induction; love-bombing; shame, etc) to get people to spend money even if they have to use their student loans or retirement fund to do so, to buy and to follow.
Unbelievable.....
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 10, 2007 at 5:49 PM
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If any one within Dahn is ensnared - we ALL are ensnared. The selfish "I" statements that permeate the above comments from Dahn defender are nauseating........Bottom line we read clearly - as long as "I" am fine ~ well then Dahn is fine. So much for the global love, peace, enlightenment etc. etc. head in the clouds "I" am making the world better ~ pure sickness. Julia's everyone's daughter, sister, aunt, mother, and on and on ..Perhaps she was pushed to "die" for Dahn? Or did she understand: WARNING - you could die if you try this. It is exceedingly "not smart" and dangerous. Who on this earth asked for Dahn to be infused into America? Infuse yourself with your smiling - watch humanity suffer and die thinking you are somehow helping the world attitude. Get out of yourself and your special body and special mind ~ and help people, not all are as "armoured" as you claim to be against the evils of a dangerous destructive cult. Answer the person above's direct questions....the wor
I am Kind
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 10, 2007 at 9:26 PM
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The difficulty Dahn faces stems largely from its communication pridicament. This predicament is mainly the result of the majority of Dahn employees having grown up in Korea and speaking Korean not English. The HR department is mostly Korean and so is upper management. It is the HR team who is communicating the issues that are happening at the center level with upper management and upper management who communicates with Ilchi Lee, and a great deal of information gets lost or misinterpreted along the way. This is because of culture lenses, and language barriers, an employee preconceptions. These problems will be solved as the company becomes more and more “Americanized.” The practice itself is pure and the Korean’s who remain honest as they do their best to communicate it in a language that most of them do not even speak are brave and honorable.
I am kind (lastly)
Posted by Anthony | Sep. 10, 2007 at 10:20 PM
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I remember being part of a training with a senior master in Boston, who is now running a Toa holistic healing program in Sedona, I thought that she spoke perfect English but during this training I could see the light of suffering in her eyes becuase she felt unable to express her deepest truth to her English speaking class. She did communicate everything through energy, and I was touched. The communication issue has caused a great deal of breakdown that has lead to a number of problems, many of which are mentioned here. Let us hope that changes are made, and that more and more Americans earn roles in upper management, so that the Dahn organization can achieve its original purpose of individual peace and world harmony. I am kind and I open the door to love in my life. I open this door to you and to Dahn alike. I hope that in turn you open this door to me and others as well. Thank you. I love you.
It doesn't make any sense
Posted by anonymity | Sep. 11, 2007 at 12:45 PM
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I don't see how the instructors' language difficulties would account for the problems that have been expressed here and elsewhere. Koreans have also reported having been manipulated, victimized, and even punished by Dahn. Have you read www.newdahn.com/usa
Weak...
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 12, 2007 at 10:07 AM
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Many wonderful companies from a diverse number of countries and cultures have done very, very well in acclaimating to the USA. It seems a weak excuse to "blame" a ?language problem for a corrupt institution. Could it be that in actuality all people of all backgrounds are being manipulated by Dahn ~ by virtue of a language difference? Taking the comment as written - the "higher ups" are the ones with the "issues" with language. That really makes no common sense. They clearly are being manipulated by the cult leader. The smoke-screen of a language problem for causing deceit and manipulation of people's in Dahn doesn't make sense. The higher ranking - the more Korean spoken? And that means what? That other cultures that do not understand the Korean language can be manipulated by their lack of language skills? I'm really not understanding what this latest 'excuse' for manipulation of peoples - is about. An inability to ???????? infuse ????????? people? What does that mean? Like
Anthony
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 12, 2007 at 12:42 PM
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Anthony, I hope you show this to your family and get help. You are like a robot. It is very disturbing to read your comments.
Open door?
Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 12, 2007 at 7:30 PM
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Well in kind, I open the door to new life and freedom to you loving soul as you will soon be leaving Dahn. There is true fulfillment and love and purpose outside of Dahn when you leave the "community". Feel free to take any good you may have stumbled upon and use it to the best possible outcome - a life you can call your own. No need to put up with high pressure "sign-up" ploys (even though you've told them time and again NO) no need to see the bank account dwindle to behave in like manner with other victims. You are a survivor. I trust that if love is your true aim you will see that love is not self-interested to Dahn degree, it is love of self in order to serve others (the world, your neighborhood, the workplace, your own family) Love is not a smiley feel-good thing but a commitment to using your own personal gifts for the betterment of humanity. Your individuality is priceless. Congratulations on your new life ahead Dahn-free. Now THAT is living ~ I'm sure you'll agree, so
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Posted by Nick | Sep. 22, 2007 at 6:03 AM
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I have the privilege of knowing Steve Hassan and at one time, having volunteered to work on his web site. He's a wonderful person and skilled counselor, and his concerns about mind-control groups need to be taken seriously. As for the family, as a former member of a destructive group myself I can only hope they see the light, the sooner the better.
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Posted by Anonymous | Sep. 24, 2007 at 9:03 PM
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I too have worked with Steve Hassan s/p exiting a cult (on my own). The "before" picture was bleak.....I hadn't worked in nearly a year with a near total collapse in functioning ~ this FIVE years after my exit! I had managed to keep it together but barely, that long, and then collapsed under the enormity of pain from being ill-handled by the psychiatric community that largely doesn't get educated in mind control and the after-math of untreated cult-related issues. Just weeks after my work with Steve I am looking at returning to full-time work in a very demanding profession. The "after" picture.........working with Steve Hassan is amazing ~ I'm still incredulous as to how he is so completely gifted to handle "even me" with great care and agility to bring wholeness. He is one of the great men of our age and time ~ and I am so eternally grateful to have worked with him. Thank you, thank you and again thank you.
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Posted by Michelle | Sep. 26, 2007 at 4:27 PM
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I feel for Ari's public display and the hurtful words that were said of some old friends that I have not seen in quite sometime. I was a member of Dahn for 7 years. A Graduate of the Healing school as well. The only bad thing that ever happened is that I quit smoking, stopped blaming others for my actions,had 2 beautiful children and married the best guy in the world (who was not a Dahn member). I miss my Korean and American friednds a great deal and wish them all my love! Chun Ji KI UN!!!!!!!!! Sincerly Michelle
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Posted by Anthony | Oct. 4, 2007 at 4:42 PM
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The Truth Will Set You Free
Posted by Sun | Nov. 29, 2007 at 10:48 AM
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I don't claim to know very much about Dahn but I do have extensive experience with other groups. For the people who have joined Dahn and their families who care about them, they are lucky that Dahn is so public and you can find information easily in a popular magazine. Many others are not so lucky. There are many cults operating in the Boston area that are very small and very secretive. Some of the members of theses cults aren't even told what "tradition" they are studying or who the leaders names are or any other identifying information. Their rules include a lot of secrecy - you are not allowed to tell anyone you know about your involvement and you cannot recognize anyone from the group if you happen to meet them on the street. It's all underground and shrouded with fear and that somehow to me is more frightening than a group that has it's name publically all over the place. Let me tell you about one of these groups. It has no name or it has many names - it shapeshifts constantly to
The Truth continued
Posted by Sun | Nov. 29, 2007 at 10:54 AM
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Let me tell you about one of these groups. It has no name or it has many names - it shapeshifts constantly to protect itself. They meet on Tuesday and Thursday nights at the Belmont (MA) Lions Club in Belmont Center and also at the Old Faulkner Mill in Billerica near the train station. If you have friends or loved ones who claim to be taking a "class" or going to some kind of "group" at these locations, please try to help them. Most of the people in the group are ignorant of the true origins and nature of the group. They probably don't know the real names of the people who run the group or anything else about them. They have "party line" answers for anyone who questions anything. They consider that anyone who has left the group should be "shunned" because they are evil and are condemned to a life of failure and unhappiness. For the students in the younger class, your sustainer reports everything you say to the teachers - they don't have some miraculous insight into your life, they are
The Truth continued...
Posted by Sun | Nov. 29, 2007 at 11:03 AM
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For the students in the younger class, at the Lion's Club in Belmont, MA, your sustainer reports everything you say to the teachers - they don't have some miraculous insight into your life, they are being told what the issues are. Make up your own minds. Have the courage to find out the truth. After all, if none of it is true, then why are they so afraid.If none of it is true, what is wrong with talking to your old friends? Being told that you are not "allowed" to look at the internet or to talk to who you want is called censorship. Don't take anyone's word for the truth. Your teachers or anyone else. Do your own work - ask your own questions - find your own answers. Look into your own heart. www.esotericfreedom.com
Plusses and Minuses
Posted by Anonymous | Apr. 14, 2008 at 12:34 PM
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There is definitely alot of good that Dahn provides physically and mentally, but I am concerned about the "masters". One Korean instructor was "consultated" with as a result of missing her family in Korea and needed further "training" to correct her weakness. Another master went on a hike on Easter Sunday because they were advised to do this if their center was closed. I saw the material. Dahn has taken away their minds of their own. And that is not good. How can they genuinely promote peace if they no longer think for themselves but for Ilchi Lee? The Cheonbugeoung IS a Korean religion that began with Dangun the "founder" of Korea and WHY is it that Ilchi Lee who has a house in AZ and NY will only speak Korean? There is alot of good, but an awful lot of manipulation, which is what ultimately makes people question this practice and the good it does offer.
Manipulation
Posted by Anonymous | Apr. 23, 2008 at 8:58 AM
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"Chun Shim nim considers herself first and foremost an earth human. Twelve years ago, 1996 she came to New England and opened the first New England Dahn Center in Waltham." An "earth human"... And quite frequently she uses an interpreter yet has been in the U.S. for 12 years. An awful lot just doesn't add up about these people. And check out the Moonies, quite alot crosses over here and Rev. Moon "advised" the CEO of Hyundai Corp. which Ilchi Lee claims to have done as well. Something just isn't right with this group! And the Moonies claim that Korean is the "real" language and that if you don't speak Korean, you will be very lost in the afterlife, etc. This explains why the more higher up in this organization, the more they only speak Korean. Something very fishy about this organization...
Mind Control is Powerful
Posted by Wall | Aug. 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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In my various extensive readings on Dahn, my overall opinion is that mind control and Dahn go together. There seem to be some great masters/leaders in Dahn, but allowing them to use mind control techniques to control others is like giving every 1 in 100 people a nuclear bomb. Suddenly there are some very powerful people out there and all anybody can hope is that every person with a bomb is responsible enough to keep from using it. Not allowing mind control is like giving sticks. Giving so much power (mind control) to human beings is dangerous and should be monitored as carefully as a nuclear arsenal.
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Dahn Yoga is great in moderation for the body but not the mind
Posted by Shelley | Aug. 8, 2009 at 9:36 PM
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I've been doing Dahn Yoga for 3 months and it's helped me a lot physically - I'm more flexible, I'm losing weight slowly, and I feel energetic. I've even recommended it to friends, however, always with a warning - you have to be strong and resist the hard sell. I look forward to the offering of Dahn Yoga without the top heavy structure and hard sell - or the 'Ilchi Lee Worship' it only detracts from an otherwise effective workout. I found the workshops not worth the money.
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