Game of Fear

What if a stalker had an army? Zoe Quinn’s ex-boyfriend was obsessed with destroying her reputation—and thousands of online strangers were eager to help.

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Zoe Quinn. (Photograph by Jason Grow)

The first thing Eron Gjoni said after sitting down across from me at Veggie Galaxy in December was that he would probably violate his gag order if he talked to me. Then he talked for the next three hours, and again and again over the next three months.

Gjoni can be relentless that way. And in others. He maintains incessant eye contact from behind a tangle of dark, wavy hair. He is intensely focused. Just ask Zoe Quinn, the object of his unwanted obsession.

In September 2014, Quinn, 27, appeared in Boston Municipal Court to ask Judge Jonathan Tynes for a restraining order against Gjoni, her ex-boyfriend. In a handwritten affidavit to the court, Quinn tried to explain what had happened over the past month. After their brief romance ended, she noted, Gjoni “wrote and published a long post about my sex life and private dealings to several websites that he knew had a history of harassing me.” Quinn is a video-game designer and, like many women in the business, routinely receives misogynistic threats from strangers. Gjoni, Quinn contended, was aware that his blog post would result in her being harassed and stalked, and she claimed he had published it in order “to damage my professional reputation as an independent artist.” What’s more, she told the judge, the results had been particularly severe: Since Gjoni’s initial blog post, “I have received numerous death and rape threats from an anonymous mob that [Gjoni] had given details to,” she wrote. “My personal info like my home address, phone number, emails, passwords, and those of my family has been widely distributed, alongside nude photos of me, and several of my professional accounts and those of my colleagues have been hacked.”

Quinn understated the facts. The thousands of threats, which she continues to receive daily, terrified her. Tweets such as “Im not only a pedophile, ive raped countless teens, this zoe bitch is my next victim, im coming slut” spoke for themselves. Messages such as “could kill yourself. We don’t need cunts like you in this world” preyed on the common knowledge that Quinn struggled with depression; she’d won acclaim for creating an impressionistic video game called Depression Quest. Forced to flee her Dorchester apartment, she spent more than six months hiding in friends’ homes. In her affidavit, Quinn struggled to explain to the judge who was behind these threats: They were anonymous, faceless, and they could be anywhere. “Eron has coached this mob multiple times, made multiple social media accounts to smear my name publicly, and has stoked the fire of this on many occasions and doesn’t seem to be stopping,” Quinn told the court. “I am in fear of him.”

Judge Tynes asked if Quinn had sought help from the police. She had, in fact— numerous times. She told Boston police officers what Gjoni had done, including her allegation that he had turned violent the last time they had sex over the summer, just before their breakup, while she was at a conference in San Francisco. Judge Tynes told Quinn he wanted to help, but stumbled to find the right words as he scribbled down the conditions of a restraining order against Gjoni, barring him from posting any further information about Quinn’s personal life online or encouraging—“What’s the first adjective?” the judge asked. “Something mob—What was the mob?”

“Uh, hate,” Quinn replied.

“Hate mob—all right,” said the judge. “I’ll put that in quotations. Good luck, ma’am. So long.”
And now here Gjoni sat before me. Over the past three months, according to Quinn, he had continued to defy Tynes’s order, divulging further details about her personal life and forcing her to return to court in Boston again and again to address his repeated violations. As of April, the court had formally charged him with four.

There’s a haunting resonance to Gjoni’s choice of location for our meeting. This is where he and Quinn first hung out in person: It’s where his obsession with her began. He’s come back to the beginning, and he wants me to know that Quinn is a “hypocrite,” a “compulsive liar,” and an “asshole.”

Gjoni is a highly cerebral, 25-year-old software developer who was recently fired from Massachusetts General Hospital’s robotics lab. He chooses his words deliberately, spending much of our time together describing the month after his breakup with Quinn: how he extracted details from her Facebook, text, and email accounts; how he tracked her movements and shadowed her conversations. The process he described to me sounded as if he were gathering the pieces of a horrible machine, with each component designed to be as damaging to Quinn as possible. Eventually, the machine would have a name: “The Zoe Post,” a 9,425-word screed he published in August.

But before he emptied the contents of Quinn’s private life into the gaping maw of a bloodthirsty Internet, back before he instigated the most vicious online backlash against feminism in a generation, there was a first date. A date that began, not unlike many other 21st-century first dates, on OkCupid. The algorithms spoke: Gjoni and Quinn were a 98 percent match.

 

Neither Gjoni nor Quinn was particularly good at dating. He’d had a handful of flings in college and she’d had a number of short-term relationships. Both seemed stuck in adolescence—the types of young adults who tend to burn hot and flame out fast.

Their first date lasted three days. They met one December night at a dive bar in Harvard Square, snuck into Harvard Stadium, stayed over at Gjoni’s apartment in Chelsea, and got breakfast the next morning at Veggie Galaxy before continuing to hang out. Over the next few weeks, they went to karaoke bars around Boston, talked philosophy, and shared vulnerabilities. Gjoni regarded himself as a talented programmer and enjoyed cuddling and coding with Quinn late into the night. But he treated Quinn’s principled stands on gaming, social justice, and loyalty as if they were the behavior of some exotic creature.

Possessed of a boyish face despite his shaggy beard, Gjoni has brown eyes and a skeletal 6-foot-1 frame, and speaks in a matter-of-fact, deadpan monotone. His friends describe him as “extremely methodical,” “a very intellectual person with semi-decent people skills,” insular, rational, and almost preternaturally calm. Benjamin Hitov, a childhood friend and fellow programmer, told me he once beat Gjoni in the ninja fighter game Dead or Alive “100 times in a row, and he didn’t change his expression once.”

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Eron Gjoni. ((Photograph by Jason Grow)

Born in Albania, Gjoni migrated to Worcester with his family when he was six to escape the Kosovo War. “Moving here was like a big reset button,” he told me. His mother, who had been an architect, became a convenience-store clerk, and his father, a former legal adviser to the deputy prime minister, worked as what Gjoni calls a “quality-assurance drone.”

Growing up, Gjoni struggled to assimilate, but with a precocious mathematical mind, he found solace in computers. School, he says, was “almost bizarrely easy,” so he dropped out of a computer science program at Worcester State when MGH poached him during his senior year. Eventually, he found a small group of buddies. Still, as his longtime friend Casey Evans told me, Gjoni remains “apprehensive about getting emotionally close to people.” So Evans was shocked by how smitten and affectionate Gjoni was with Quinn when they went on a double date in early 2014. It was one of the few times Gjoni introduced Quinn to his friends. “She came off as very charismatic,” Evans remembers.

Gjoni fell for her hard—maybe too hard, given how brief their relationship was. He began idealizing Quinn as “this perfect ethical thing,” he says, and less as a gifted and flawed woman who battled chronic depression. Quinn often traveled to speak at gaming conferences, and they saw each other at most once a week. After just five months, they broke up. But Gjoni wouldn’t let go.

  • Kav P

    Bold and concise. Thank you so much for not being afraid.

    • Snakes on a Car

      But isn’t Progressiveism a war on whites?

      • GP

        No it’s an insurance company.

  • CSatire

    Great read. Well researched and produced. Very surprised Gjoni was willing to talk to somebody so openly and so callously admit what he did.

    • Snakes on a Car

      Aren’t white liberals a cancer?

  • Nikeyg

    Be prepared for what the comments section will eventually become.
    O.O

    • Casey Snow

      Gamergaters live in the comments sections of stuff like this. And they can stay here for all it matters.

      • Jimmy Russells

        GamerGate has being going on for 8 months now. Nothing can stop it and it’s hilarious that it bothers you so much.

        • Kav P

          Stop farting

          • EnoughFish

            Look at all the angry feminists.

            aGGro salt is singularly responsible for California’s drought.

        • Casey Snow

          It has been going on for 8 months… in comment sections. I don’t know what kind of revolution you kids have in mind, but I don’t think anything significant has ever been achieved by slogging into comment after comment with “what about MEEEEEE?!”

          • Kav P

            Casey, Casey, you forgot about the ethics!

            Remember? All those ethics?

          • Jimmy Russells

            You might want to check the dozens of articles, hundreds of thousands of tweets and achievements GG has under its belt.

            But nah, that would require you to think for two seconds.

          • Kav P

            :’)

          • Casey Snow

            Apparently that is not enough time for you to come up with even a single achievement…

          • Kav P

            What are you talking about? Obama only got to where he is now because of his tweet count!

          • Jimus Russs

            Man, it’s a damn shame that anti gamers can’t stay abreast of the facts. Ask Leigh Alexander or any of the other “gamers are dead” journos about how their careers are doing. Ask Kotaku where all (yes, ALL, every single one) of their advertisers went.

          • Casey Snow

            Oh, and my farts cause the sun to rise. Because correlation = causation.

            * looks at Kotaku and sees an ad * … well… at least I farted today.

          • Jimus Russs

            Adsense, bruh. Not the same.

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you just said “anti-gamer”….

            I’m dying

          • Jimus Russs

            Don’t tease.

          • Mike Yocom

            “…anti gamers can’t stay abreast of the facts.” – Person who goes on to reference the “Gamers are over.” article with “Gamers are dead.”

          • Jimus Russs

            Like I said, you can’t stay abreast of the facts.

        • Vookatos

          Oh man, EIGHT whole months?! Truly an unstoppable force of Journalism-defendres is upon us.

      • Nikeyg

        I hope they’re ready to indulge in some censorship, as it *might* get ugly.

        • Kav P

          I fucking LOVE censorship <3

  • http://www.andrewtodd.co.nz/ Andrew Todd

    Thank you for telling a story that had to be told in this level of depth.

  • Lee Patekar

    Easy to write whatever you want on someone legally gagged from publicly speaking about Chelsea Van Valkenburg. That’s very “curageous” of you.

    Personally I’m waiting for this to hit the courts, in a criminal trial. If everything written here is indeed true, there must be a criminal trial. But if there is no trial, you’re simply defaming someone by picking a side in a couple’s squabble.

    • Kav P

      Shouldn’t you be saying that to Eron Gjoni who wrote The Zoe Post 8 months ago? You know, because… it’s exactly what you’re describing?

      Also, using someone’s deadname is kind of stalkerish, mmkay?

      • garf02

        he wrote 1 blog, she been doing news for 8 months, figure out who is controlling the narrative, dear White knight

        • Kav P

          Sorry, I’m taken

          *honk honk*

      • Lee Patekar

        I’m using someone’s legal name.

        I’ll tell you what I’m not doing: I’m not taking an obvious hit piece as cash. Much like I didn’t read or care for the zoe post. I don’t know why people love their pitchforks and torches so much.

        If all the allegations in this article are indeed true there will be a criminal trial. OR, this will go the same was as Jackie’s allegations in the rolling stones. Time will tell.

        • Kav P

          If you didn’t care about The Zoe Post, why have you probed into her private life such that you know her deadname?

          That’s pretty creepy.

          Are you a stalker?

          • Lee Patekar

            Are you? I see you white knighting like mad in this article.

            Unless you’re living under a rock, you’ll note that her real name is used everywhere. Including in other hit piece articles like this one : http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/01/lying-greedy-promiscuous-feminist-bullies-are-tearing-the-video-game-industry-apart/

            Like I said before, I’m waiting a trial for the truth to come out. I’m done with journalist hit pieces and internet white knights such as yourself. Take your torch and pitchfork and bugger off.

          • Kav P

            How does me wondering why you know enough about Zoe (despite not caring) to know her deadname as used in Breitbart make me a stalker?

            Do you logic?

          • Lee Patekar

            Are you? I see you white knighting like mad in this article.

            Do you know google? Its a magical website connected to tubes that answers simple questions about everything. You should try it.

          • Kav P

            The fact that you Googled Zoe enough to find out her deadname is pretty creepy. You do realise that, right? It’s not exactly common knowledge.

            You’re weird.

          • Lee Patekar

            Said the white knight with fifty something posts under her article lol

            I also find people calling her legal name a “dead” name pretty strange. You SJWs are a weird bunch of bigoted zealots.

      • Person Person

        It’s her legal name.

    • Mike Yocom

      Deadnaming is a harassment tactic, FYI.

      “Easy to write whatever you want on someone legally gagged from publicly speaking…”

      Because legal restrictions have ever stopped Gjoni from talking at length about his ex.

      “But if there is no trial, you’re simply defaming someone by picking a side in a couple’s squabble.”

      Signing on to Eron Gjoni’s Personal Revenge Army = not picking a side;
      Writing an article documenting the shitstorm = picking a side

      Ok.

      • Lee Patekar

        Its her legal name, deal with it.

        You don’t have to pick a side to see this article for what it is, one sided click bait. Its a hit piece. If the allegations herein are true, we’ll see a trial and the truth will come out. Until then I’m not choosing either.

        But I will admit, this has the same vibe as that rolling stone article about the university of Virginia.

        • Mike Yocom

          When somebody regularly uses a pseudonym instead of their legal name, it is harassment to reveal the legal name.

          • Lee Patekar

            Only in whatever universe you live in.

            I’ve also been told that replying to someone or disagreeing is harassment too. Now you can feel like a special snowflake and cry about harassment as well. Isn’t it wonderful?

      • Joseph T.

        Pointing out someone known for their penname’s legal name is harassing? Wow, let me harass Whoopi Goldberg right now by calling her Carolyn.

  • Jimmy Russells

    Just a reminder that Zoe emotionally abused Gjoni, exploited the legal system to keep him quiet, continues to demonize him to this day, and according to her own definition of consent, repeatedly raped him by cheating with multiple men and women.

    • Calvin Hamel

      you’re cute, the way you pretend to be a grown up.

    • Kav P

      You didn’t read the piece, did you?

      ZOE POST IS OBJECTIVE FACT BUT THIS ARTICLE IS “BIASE”

      • Jimmy Russells

        I did. I loved the way the facts were handwaved and the ‘courageous struggle’ of Zoe Quinn was more important than the ‘obsessive, mean spirited and salty” Gjoni.

        A man’s effort to show the world the kind of abuse he went through is apparently cruel.

        • Kav P

          Yeah, a blog post for the purposes of organising and weaponising an Internet mob is so noble.

          All his relationship troubles belonged in court, not online. Simple as that. None of my business, none of yours.

          And GG talks about “ethics”. LOLOLO

          • garf02

            >weaponising an internet mob
            hey the guy went out and talked how terrible ZQ was, that is fact, spin it how you want. but that is the true.

          • Kav P

            Yes, it is “the true” that this is what he did.

            Waiting for how this negates him weaponising an Internet mob.

          • garf02

            >weaponising
            and here goes another word that SJW destroy. what a said day.

          • Live the dream

            Eron did post on 4chan but that was after the zoe post was posted on 4chan.

          • garf02

            he is implying eron went to 4chan to instigate /b/ onto ZQ.

          • Jimmy Russells

            For starters, he didn’t create GG. That’s just one of hundreds of reasons why he isn’t guilty of “weaponizing an internet mob”.

          • Casey Snow

            He brought his post to 4chan. If he wasn’t deliberately trying to start a riot, he is incredibly stupid and irresponsible. Either way he is abhorrent.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >he brought his post to 4chan

            Prove it.

          • Casey Snow

            This is old, old news. You can read the story here:

            http://idledillettante.com/2014/12/06/eron-gjoni-hateful-boyfriend/

          • Jimmy Russells

            I see no sources on the claim that he posted this on 4chan.

            The most you can say about Gjoni was that he talked to people on an IRC chat that was dedicated to the discussion of the Zoe Post. An IRC chat in which he went out of his way to encourage others to leave Zoe alone.

          • Casey Snow

            You clearly could not have read that whole article in 5 minutes.

            https://archive.is/m2fmN

          • garf02

            >what is speed reading
            and whats the point of that link?

            yes she did artistic nude, so?

          • Casey Snow

            That was an archived page from 4chan of eron bringing his post there. If you read the article you would have known that. I don’t think you are really here to discuss anything. You and Jimmy are just here to shout Gamergate slogans.

          • garf02

            again, lets imply he brought it to 4chan, so what?
            it went viral anyway.
            also
            >4chan is a hate machine
            this proves how little you know about it then.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Can you please point out where exactly is Eron’s name in this?

            Because that post says Anonymous, and unless you can actually prove it was Gjoni typing that, I can’t believe you’re bringing up an anonymous post as proof.

          • Kav P

            omg lmao

          • Casey Snow

            The anons on chan asked for proof that this was Eron, so he made an adjustment to his tumblr post in which he gave a shout-out to that thread (there is a screen cap of that too in the article). This convinced the anons on 4chan, from which they proceeded to ask Eron questions.

          • Jimmy Russells

            He made the adjustment on his blog to prove he was talking to them on the IRC chat, actually, not to prove he was making the post.

            Are you having problems following your own ‘facts’?

          • Kav P

            Where did those goalposts go?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t be mad, I’m paying attention to you too.

          • Casey Snow

            “TL;DR welcome 4channers, if you’re coming here from the thread I made on /r9k/”

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t make things up just to prove a moot point. That’s just sad.

          • Casey Snow

            Aaaaaaaaand you’re done. Thanks for playing, Jimmy. Better luck next time. 😉

          • Jimmy Russells

            I love the way you guys end conversations all by yourself.

          • garf02

            Is this your own blog? cause that look terrible

          • garf02

            if you think 4 chan is a riot central, you are hte stupid and irreponsible

          • fredessb

            Yes, the way he hilariously exposed Quinn’s bullying, deceit, and hypocrisy was abhorrent … to third wave feminism,

          • Kav P

            Did you just say that GamerGate is an Internet mob?

            Oh my God you did

          • Jimmy Russells

            “What are those squiggly lines before and after his words?” – You.

          • Kav P

            Sorry, but you saying that just now doesn’t change what you just said.

            You’re my favourite nincompoop. <3

          • Jimmy Russells

            It actually does. It’s called quoting. Quoting you, in this instance.

            I’m sorry, were you dropped in the head when you were a baby?

          • Kav P

            You completely missed it and I’m happy with that because it proves my point more than I ever could. :’)

            We’re done.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m so glad I could educate you on the fringe practice that is quoting.

          • Live the dream

            Weaponize a media mob?

            There is no evidence at all that he did this deliberately. No evidence that hhe posted this on 4chan. No evidence that he encouraged abuse. In fact from what i gather he did everything he could to stop people focusing on zoe. He did more to end the “harassment” against her than anyone else.

          • Kav P

            Look around this post. There’s an archive of his post to 4chan. Then leave, quietly.

    • fredessb

      They know.

  • fredessb

    Zoe Quinn isn’t going to have sex with you.

    • Kav P

      Yawn.

    • Mike Yocom

      “Zoe will sleep with anything!”
      “Zoe won’t sleep with you.”

      Gator logic.

  • Ricardo Lima

    A lie often repeted does not become truth by repetion.

    • Kav P

      Yeah, funny that.

  • aintnorest

    If you want to see what gamergate is about, go to their places, 8chan, /r/Kotakuinaction ect. See if they talk about ethics more then they whine about e-celebs and “SJW”‘s. The whole thing’s just a roiling chan raid.

  • garf02

    I wonder how did he “got all this information” from ZE ex, when he is on a Gag order that he can not talk about the topic online on any way.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      To answer this question, try reading the article that you just commented on.

      • garf02

        3 pages of
        >ZQ is good
        >Ex is evil
        >She did nothing wrong despise evidence proving it
        >she is women, stop harassing her
        etc
        been there, done that for 8 months. ZQ is a terrible human being, overall, so no matter what its follower try to defend on her, she will always be that.

        • Kav P

          Evidence = angry blog by angry ex

          • Jimmy Russells

            More like evidence = screencaps of actual conversations on Facebook between the two

            B-BUT MUH ANGRY EX

          • Kav P

            Yeah, that totally negates everything he did post-breakup.

            THE WORLD MUST KNOW ABOUT MY BREAKUP BLUUUES

          • Jimmy Russells

            What did he do post-breakup? Clarify things for people who were curious about what happened, defending Zoe even after all the shit she did to him?

            What a monster!

          • Kav P

            (Psst. The answer is: write an angry blog post to “warn” people about his partner instead of seeking some counselling to heal from what may well have been an abusive relationship)

          • Jimmy Russells

            Are you implying he didn’t get help from friends and family after what happened? That he wasn’t worried about STDs because they had unprotected sex after Zoe had her way with multiple people? Man, Eron’s not afraid of anything.

          • Kav P

            I’m implying that sending an Internet mob on someone is not an appropriate way to deal with someone you don’t like.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So you would’ve been completely okay with Zoe walking away from it unscathed just so she could’ve felt ‘safe’?

            You keep proving yourself to be more horrible than I thought.

          • Kav P

            Have you ever heard of a court of law?

            I haven’t.

            All I know is the Internets. Fart.

          • Jimmy Russells

            You gotta keep that scat fetish under control.

          • Jimus Russs

            There is no internet mob. That sob story exists only within ZQ’s mind.

          • Kav P

            LMAO

          • Inner Partisan

            Suuuuure thing, pal.

          • Live the dream

            actually from reading about him it was in all honesty someone saying that here is an abuser and she needs help and people need to know she is an abuser. He was hoping she would get help and no one would get abused in the future. I have seen no evidence that contradicts this motive. There is also evidence from other parties that he actually HELD BACK EVIDENCE. That would cause her more harm than what he showed.

          • Kav P

            My point is that that’s something you show to the police/a court of law and not an Internet mob.

            It’s pretty basic, really.

          • garf02

            yeah all he did was talk, what a terrible human being…. le gasp

        • aguyuno

          So you’re, therefore, literally commenting on a news article that you :”don’t care” about.

          Classic.

          • garf02

            i dont care for the article itself, I do care for the fact that 9 months after, they still try to spin the mess to make ZQ looks a like a poor victim when she is the Cruela de vil of this story

    • http://www.andrewtodd.co.nz/ Andrew Todd

      Three months of interviews that Gjoni admitted were breaking said gag order. As it says in the article on which you’re commenting.

      • garf02

        which said gag order is illegal and ZQ, factually proved, lied on court to get it ; D

        • Kav P

          Oh, it’s proved by FACTS?

          This is a new concept indeed.

          • Live the dream

            Yes actually she said things about a livestream that was contradicted by the live stream. There were many other things as well which go against objective reality. Now which do you think is the likely explanation that zoe told the truth and the entire internet on many sites and many documents have been changed through various hacking means….

            Or zoe lied?

          • Inner Partisan

            Oh. So when you say “factually proved”, what you *actually* mean is “hearsay”. Alright.

          • Live the dream

            No i mean factual proof. The documents detail her claims and the reality is different to her claims. What do you call someone who says things that a factually different to reality?

          • Inner Partisan

  • Aeian T’goni

    *sigh* yeah, thanks for helping make the world a little bit worse for women, there Gjoni. That’ll teach your exgirlfriend not to ever break up with you.

    • fredessb

      He just made life a little bit worse for *this* woman! after she’d made life a lot worse for him and many others.

      • Kav P

        Ah, eye for an eye, eh?

        Classic ethics.

        • Jimmy Russells

          So you admit Zoe’s done some pretty horrible stuff to women in the past? :^)

          • Kav P

            That you can glean that from that comment really explains why you didn’t understand that using quotation marks didn’t negate from your statement further down here. :’)

        • Jimus Russs

          If taking that eye brings results and stops the problem, I see no issue.

          • Kav P

            Obviously.

        • http://twitter.com/random_tangent Random Tangent

          Pre-classical, really.

    • garf02

      yeah she has suffered soooo much.. but im sure those 4K monthly will easy the pain in her heart

    • garf02

      in contrast ZQ made his life miserable, trying to sabotage a game jam, the career of a photographer, and used the dead of a well known and loved actor to promote her excuse of a game

      • Kav P

        Yawn.

    • Jimus Russs

      Yeah, how horrible. He spoke up about abuse from a self defined rapist.

      Men should know better than to stop women from leaving a path of destruction in their wake.

      • Kav P

        Men should just go their own way, wouldn’t you agree? :)

        • Jimmy Russells

          Victim blaming is so fun, wouldn’t you agree? :3

          • Kav P

            > Believes Zoe deserves what has happened to her because she is so so mean
            > Talks about victim blaming

          • Jimmy Russells

            I believe Zoe deserves at least some kind of punishment for abusing an innocent man, yes. I honestly can’t believe you think of her as a victim.

        • Jimus Russs

          So don’t complain when that way railroads an abuser.

  • RexCelestis

    Thank you for this heartbreaking article. I appreciate the amount of space given to Mr. Gjoni. Although hearing his words does not offer a sympathetic view. I agree with others. I find it sad and horrifying Zoe has been affected by GamerGate for longer than the entirety of her relationship with Gjoni.

    • garf02

      >affected
      >travel to Europe
      >E celeb stat
      >Free money monthly out of patreon
      I want to be affected to, in 8 months that is 32K free money I would make, where do I apply?

      • Kav P

        Stop farting.

        • garf02

          shut up kyle

          • Kav P

            Dear God the smell

      • RexCelestis

        I guess you’re just dating the wrong people.

        • garf02

          dont know, who do I need to date so I can play victim later on and live out of Patreon pity?

          • Kav P

            Eron Gjoni, apparently. Go on. You deserve each other. <3

          • garf02

            not my type, sorry

          • Live the dream

            The recording of the panel actually has the honey badgers promoting what sounds like second wave feminist standard fare. She is saying women can and should write the comics they want. Is this now harassment?

          • Kav P

            What are you talking about and how is that relevant to why they were asked to leave?

          • Jimmy Russells

            It’s literally the reason they were banned, not asked to leave.

            This is the average intellect of the Mary Sue readership.

          • Kav P

            DOES YOU HAS PROOFS THAT I READS THE MARY SUES

          • Jimmy Russells

            It’s on your profile. Literally one click away.

            Don’t be salty, I’m starting to like you.

          • Kav P

            Well done!

          • Inner Partisan

            Actually, they got banned for getting into the con under false pretenses and then acting like the utter dipshits they are.

          • Jimmy Russells

            You can check their website and see they didn’t enter the con under a false name.

            But you gotta listen and believe to the Mary Sue. :^)

          • Michael Lindsay

            Ya could try what the pro GG Honey Badgers did and wail to the GG and redpill faithful that you need to pay for the lawyers to fight an unwinnable case of you getting kicked out of a con for being a prat…
            …or you could just do what Rouge Star did and just promise the GG hordes a shiny game that never shows up!

          • Kav P

            *RogueStarRunner

          • Jimmy Russells

            >politely asking a question after getting approved by the people in the conference is being a prat

            Nah, what am I saying, you haven’t even heard the recording. Mary Sue has the facts!

          • Nikeyg

            NO! ONLY RALPH RETORT HAS ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE ETHICS!
            OH, AND BREITBART!
            AND TECHRAPTOR!

            *monotone zombie voice*-We must only trust them-*monotone zombie voice*

          • Jimmy Russells

            I don’t even need to read any of those sites to know the facts.

            The recording is in their website. Go ahead, listen to it. I can wait.

          • Kav P

            Would you say you…. listen and believe the Honey Badgers? :^)

          • Jimmy Russells

            Given the fact that they have actual evidence, yes.

            Are you still listening and believing to the Rolling Stone campus rape story? :^)

          • Kav P

            Ooooh, factual evidence! As opposed to that evidence that isn’t factual.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I wrote actual. Is your farting fetish affecting your sight?

          • Kav P

            Maybe

          • Kav P

            You forgot The Wiggum Retort.

            The sole owner of whom is so disorganised he doesn’t even write in advance to organise an interview before coming to a con to angrily interview someone, hence getting promptly kicked out.

          • aguyuno

            He said Ralph :P. Though yes, seriously, fuck em.

          • Kav P

            I only respond to “Wiggum” now. It’s my fault.

          • aguyuno

            LOL. Got it.

          • garf02

            >unwinnable case
            this come before or after Whatevercon it was had to change the excuer 4 times, then completely erase all evidence to avoid further screwing it up.

            but sure, keep thing that way, it will take you far in life..

  • Slim neb

    And yet. If the Zoe Post had been written by a woman about a man, it would have been a ‘brave diary of a poor woman escaping an emotionally abusive ex’, and Zoe would have been hailed as a brave survivor, and Eron an abusive monster. Don’t anyone suggest it wouldn’t have.

    • Kav P

      Poor diddums :(

    • Hyena

      Just have to dig up all the tons of times such things have occured on tumblr.
      Heck, just a month ago, some ‘anon’ confessions of abuse were even thrown at the main guy behind xkit and so many of them ate it up without a second thought.
      Also what happened with UAV and the mattress girl. If those same things were guys who made the intentional claims, most of them wouldn’t of given a damn and problem be sipping from their “male tears” mugs with smug grins and blubbering on about how they probably deserved it :v

      Heck, some of them will even defend a pedophile if it’s a woman before they’ll even think of helping out a guy in crisis

      • Kav P

        And that’s terrible.

        Regardless, it’s not the job of an Internet mob to deliver justice.

        • garf02

          and here you and your friends are, trying to do so, oh the irony 😀

          • Kav P

            Remind me of the last time I swarmed on an individual to threaten them with death and sexual violence and ruin their career pls k tx

          • garf02

            I dont know, remind me last time I did, or Jim, or 99% of GamerGate, as only troll give a flying fuck for quinn and friend (when they are nto being slandering liars on the internet)

          • Kav P

            So why are you here?

            TROLLCEPTION

          • Live the dream

            I love how when you run out of arguments just do a sass nonsense insult as if that changes anything. It just makes you look petty.

          • Kav P

            If by “run out of arguments” you mean “get bored with lack of reception to satirical devices”, sure thing. :)

          • aguyuno

            >Literally the first comment here from you
            >Your entire argument is Kav looks petty because she has no real argument

            Aight.

          • Live the dream

            Yes because i have READ THE THREAD. It has happened on multiple occasions.

          • aguyuno

            Or something.

          • Kav P

            Stop stalking me I have mace

            Gosh you anti gamers are the worst

          • Live the dream

            stalking you by reading the comments? I literally read all the comments and that makes me evil?

          • Live the dream

            Is reading the comments in a comment section stalking?

          • Ricardo Lima

            Considerig GG received same treaths we can as fairly blame you for them. Try to avoid using your human shields its old.

          • Kav P

            BUT WHAT ABOUT #NOTYOURSHIELD

          • Ricardo Lima

            Did I bring them up? They are just prof we arent all white male or sockpupets nothing else and that being a certain gender or race isnt a shield.

        • Ricardo Lima

          Nor is yours but here we are arent we Kav.

          • Kav P

            I’m not delivering justice, I’m just having some fun watching gamers cry.

          • aguyuno

            SO much fun.

            “WE DON’T EVEN CARE ABOUT ZOE.” They comment furiously, their care meter through the fucking rough

          • Jimmy Russells

            More like smelling our farts. And I thought foot fetishists were weird.

        • Jimus Russs

          When the system fails, others have to step up.

          • Kav P

            Like an Internet mob. Yep.

          • Jimus Russs

            If need be. That said, there is no mob.

          • Kav P

            lol

          • Jimus Russs

            I never understood why people say “lol” whilst obviously having a tantrum.

          • Kav P

            What exactly am I having a tantrum about?

            The irrefutable fact that gamers are dead? :)

          • Jimus Russs

            Gamergate in general. The key thing about this whole issue is that anti gamers have been far more salty about us than we have about the ethical issues we have raised. Your rage and intolerance is exactly what has escalated this to where we are now.

            No one had to be fired. No one’s dirty laundry had to be aired. No sites had to be bankrupted. But you had to keep that narrative going, you had to keep your soggy knees. So, now GG is up in your shit, and you don’t even have a clue about what is actually going on. You’re just so pissed, and you don’t even know the real reason why. Great job, btw. Anti gamers kept pouring gas on this, and that is why GG has lasted for the better part of a year.

          • Inner Partisan

            DARKNESS. NO PARENTS.

          • Jimus Russs

            Kinda like Zoe.

  • Mike Caputo

    Stay thirsty, my friend.

  • buddyluv324

    Do people in GG still talk about her anymore or is it the SJWs that cant help but keep talking about her? From the sound of Zoe and the ex, it just sounded like a shitty relationship that partially helped bring up the discussion of the current state of gaming journalism

    • Jimmy Russells

      I love how her rich, white boyfriend whose father profits from bombing Palestinian children had to pay a nobody politician for Zoe to be heard.

      They truly are the face of harassed, unprivileged youngster in America.

      • Kav P

        Stop farting

        • Jimmy Russells

          Aww, don’t worry, I’m sure Alex can just pay another politician with more blood money.

          They’re on a mission to stop harassment. :^)

          • Matthew Long

            CONSPIRACY!

          • Jimmy Russells

            Alex’s father is a conspiracy? Damn, her mom must’ve been quite the holy virgin.

          • Live the dream

            gamergate are all evil people out to harass people. Pointing out what alex does for a living is a conspiracy.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Pointing out that his father exists is literally harassment. I might be going to jail. :^(

          • Kav P

            Oh honey.

          • aguyuno

            Oh my god, you actually believe that too. This guy. Wow.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Why are you so angry about the facts? You should be more angry about his father killing innocent Palestinian kids while Alex lives off that money.

          • aguyuno

            You know, I hear Zoe actually was the one who hired John Wilkes Booth, too!

          • Jimmy Russells

            I don’t know about that, but she did frequent a doxxing forum in her early, edgy days.

            She won’t sleep with you, so you can stop defending her honor.

          • aguyuno

            Not all of us define our lives based on our thirst, kiddo.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >kiddo

            Confirmed teenager. Your thirst for Zoe marches on.

          • aguyuno

            Oh honey.

          • Jimmy Russells

            That salt, tho.

          • Matthew Long

            Why are you obsessed with the thought of sleeping with her as if that’s the goal?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Why else would you defend a known abuser and rapist, by her own admission?

            You can get a better girl, dude. Keep trying.

          • Inner Partisan

            AND JET FUEL CAN’T MELT STEEL BEEEAAAMS!!!

          • Jimmy Russells

            I wish you guys could do something about Alex. He literally lives off blood money.

            But poor Zoe, though. :^(

          • Joseph T.

            You know what? I want to make up with Alex. He was part of the creation of one of my favorite games and I want to ask him a very important question about the development of Fallout: New Vegas: What coffee shop in Irvine, CA did the team prefer?

        • Jimus Russs

          I love your salt. I love how you upvote your own posts even more. You get me almost as hard as Zoe’s tears do.

          • aguyuno

            …You know you can _actually_ check who upvoted her posts and see it wasn’t here, right?

            No… No, of course you don’t.

            Stay mad, Jimus.

          • Kav P

            “She has upvotes, that means she must have done it! It’s LOGIC”

            No wonder you’re here talking about how great Gjoni is.

          • Jimus Russs

            Didn’t say anything about Gjoni. But you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with ZQ. Don’t worry, plenty of her to go around.

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you just did that.

            > Talks about me having unhealthy obsession with ZQ
            > Follows with a jab at her sex life

            I can’t make this shit up. :’)

          • Jimmy Russells

            You been doing this for an hour now, though.

            Don’t worry, she’s into girls too.

          • aguyuno

            I love this guy.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Thanks, baby. I hope my posts are giving you epic retweets.

          • aguyuno

            Honey, I find you amusing. I wouldn’t write a tweet about you at gunpoint. Go check if you don’t believe me, rofl.

          • Jimmy Russells

            No, thanks. I’ll let you enjoy my top notch comments some more, though.

          • Jimus Russs

            And?

          • Inner Partisan
          • Jimus Russs

            K.

          • Jimus Russs

            Also, it was a jab at her girth, not sex life.

          • Hannah Shaw-Williams

            “You get me almost as hard as Zoe’s tears do.”

            #Ethics

          • Jimus Russs

            #femaletears

    • Lee Patekar

      I can’t speak for GG, but their sub-reddit was on fire over the valve modding controversy. Haven’t seen a post about Chelsea until today, and it points to this article.

    • aguyuno

      This comment thread is _literally_ about 50-60% GGers hwo can’t stop talking about her. So I’m p sure that should answer your question.

      • Live the dream

        Yes the article lies and mentions zoe. The comments by people involved in gamergate seek to defend themselves by pointing out lies said by zoe. totally shows gg keeps bringing her up. Has nothing to do with you know the article in question.

        • Kav P

          Why are you defending yourself when the article is about Eron Gjoni?

          Are you… are you saying that GamerGate and Gjoni are related? That they both seek the same kinds of justice?

          Huh. Imagine that.

          Also, *defends GG from accusations of GG being obsessed with Zoe by obsessing on the comments thread of an article about Zoe*

          • Live the dream

            Because i find printing lies about people to not be ethical jounralism. Is that a difficult concept?

          • aguyuno

            Hold on. Are you saying that you literally bust into every single biased/”lying” article and wrote biased?

            Riiiiiiiiiight

          • Live the dream

            Yes they are linked. He was lied about and that is unethical journalism. Gamergate is about ethics in jounralism so why wouldn’t we be interested in a breach of ethics in journalism?

            Justice would be the truth. That is all we want. We have evidence that no one even checks.

          • Kav P

            Ethics in games journalism.

            Did Zoe Quinn write an article in a games-related paper about Eron Gjoni?

          • Live the dream

            It may startle you to know this but when an unethical bit of jounralism occurs it is of interest to us. Especially if we have information that contradicts it. We have this information because we looked at this situation months ago then moved onto to other topics. That information we have suddenly just doesn’t disapear. We know this article is wrong so it is of interest as an example of unethical jounralism.

    • Mike Yocom

      Well, let’s see, just the other day Gamergate brigaded a documentary just because Zoe Quinn was in it.

      • Live the dream

        No the zoe appearence was a minor thing. We spent most of it making fun of pretentious pink haired hipsters who have no talent.

        • aguyuno

          Oh so, you stayed on topic then.

          …Wait.

          • Live the dream

            Yes apparently in gamergate if someone isn’t talking about ethics at all times it then becomes a hate group. Couldn’t possibly be people you know acting like human beings mocking things they find silly. Talking about anything but ethics means we are evil some how.

          • Kav P

            What do you think the odds are that this article is featured on KiA?

            Because KiA isn’t related to GG, and GG isn’t related to Zoe Quinn, so that would be entirely unlikely, wouldn’t it?

          • Live the dream

            its an article that is related to us and is printing lies. That is unethical jounralism isn’t it?

          • Live the dream

            An unethical article which is clearly wrong is going to be mentioned on kia becuase its about unethical media.

          • aguyuno

            It means you’re a group, dipshit. If the fucking hashtag isn’t just about Ethics, it’s no longer “just a hashtag”, it’s a group.

            A group.

            As in you’re responsible for your actions.

            Ty for finally admitting that.

          • Live the dream

            Yes the group of us discussing the video. Because the group definied itself as the group discussing the video. Just like there is a group of us commenting in this comment section. Which would make you and me part of a group. I used teh gamergate name because its what you call people who disagree and care about ethics.

          • aguyuno

            Sigh.

            Anything to avoid being responsible for your actions, right?

          • Live the dream

            Sometimes people talk about other things. There is more to life than simple ethics or silence. Sometimes we make jokes talk about the weather and current events. Does this make us evil to do so?

        • Kav P

          Ha ha ha, and you call everyone else “anti gamers”.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Gotta love that white diversity with pink hair.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      Hahahahaha these comments are absolutely flooded with Gamergaters. They’re swarming in from all directions like angry bees and you’re seriously trying to pull the “We don’t even care about Zoe Quinn” card?

      • buddyluv324

        Um when did ever say “We dont care about Zoe Quinn” or even say that I’m affiliated with GG in any way? Looking at it from an outside perspective, there seems to something deeper going on than just hating women like alot of people claim. The progressives/ SJWs seem to be more interested in milking Zoe, Anita or Brianna dry than actually talk about the journalspro list, the “Gamers are Dead” articles, certain developers and publishers for some reason unable to speak up about the matter weather they’re for GG or not, gaming sites disclosing their ethics policies due to GG blowing up, the HBB mess at that con in Canada and this is just a few things ive listed.

        From the looks of it it seems that the progressives have been pushing their narrative outside of the gaming medium, specifically reaching towards the mainstream who are on the unknown in gaming. Why do you think mainstream news are quick giving them a platform, but most wont give GG the time of day to present their arguments? For even threat tweet made claimed to be by GG, im certain its not hard to find one of the opposition doing the same. The worst part of all this is that this crap could of easily been blown over if the journalist and developers/publishers in question would of just owned up to their mistakes instead of creating discrimination towards gamers and the medium as a whole to hide behind.

  • Matthew Long

    gotta love it when 8chan comes out of it’s shell to give the rest of the world their 2c. Truly, you twits aren’t doing reforming game journalism any favors by being here. Well, existing would be more APPROPRIATE. *happy aguyuno????*

    • aguyuno

      I want to upvote you, but your misuse of apropos just makes me so mad…

      • Matthew Long

        sheesh!

        • aguyuno

          I’m sorry! It’s just SUCH a pet peeve of mine xD. It doesn’t mean appropriate, jeeeeeeeez

  • Kav P

    So far I count 4 GamerGoats posting in here over and over, insisting that “it’s not even about Zoe Quinn” and “we’re not a mob”.

    There needs to be a new law: any article talking about how shit GamerGate is is proven to be true in the comments. You don’t even need to try. They do it to themselves. All I do is facilitate. :’)

    • aguyuno

      Literally just write an article titled “Gamergate is shit” and then the entire article is:

      “”

      • aguyuno

        lmfao@the site automatically converting that to html. Whatevs.

        • Matthew Long

          wait tell me how that happened. that might be a bug that i can fix!

          • aguyuno

            I just wrote in hardbrackets “see comments for references”. And it did all that; automatically added the = and the “” stuff

          • Matthew Long

            [see comments for references]

          • Matthew Long

            hmm

          • aguyuno

            WOOPS. Sorry. Not hardbrackets; arrow brackets

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            WHOA

          • aguyuno

            Yuuuuuup

          • aguyuno

            If you’re fixing glitches though, I can’t go to profiles of people with Disqus usernames that are more than one word long; the link doesn’t load properly. For example:

            https://disqus.com/by/Matthew%20Long/

          • Matthew Long

            stop it, you’re wiggling my brain!

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            blah

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            sorry for spamming you, I don’t know where else to recreate it.

          • aguyuno

            No worries. Do what you gotta do.

    • Jimus Russs

      The saddest thing is the irrational fear that anti gamers seem to have. You spill your spaghetti and expect people to just ignore it. I guess it would be victim blaming (somehow) to say you were asking for it.

      • Matthew Long

        how can I be an anti-gamer if I am a gamer myself???!?!?!

        • Jimus Russs

          By taking actions against the greater health of the industry and community. If you don’t understand how that works after having this much time to educate yourself, you can be safely be written off as a useful idiot in the anti gamer ranks.

          • Kav P

            Destroy all veedyuh

            Praise Anita

          • Matthew Long

            oh for sure, man. gimme a ring when GG gets positive press from a place that isn’t Reaxxion or whatever dipshit blog you pass off as evidence.

          • aguyuno

            My favourite is how often they tout out the like, 3 tiny “rule changes” in kotaku etc as if it’s somehow proof they’ve accomplished jack shit.

          • Matthew Long

            Which is super hilarious because it’s not substantive change – they believe it, even if they are being paid lip-service.

          • aguyuno

            Oh I know. I’ve tried explaining to them that collusion and shit was _already against their rules_, so changing it won’t actually do anything if they’re just gonna break it anyway. Alas, they didn’t get it.

          • Kav P

            What about the Youtubes? :'(

          • Jimus Russs

            Gimme a ring when any of these anti gamer sources are reputable. Kotaku, Polygon, Gamasutra? Amanda fuckin’ Marcotte and Manboobz? A handful of professional victims? And yes, they are professional victims. That is literally how they pay the rent.

          • Inner Partisan

            You don’t know what Gamasutra is. FUCKING GAMASUTRA.
            Yet *we* are the “anti-gamers”, huh?

          • Kav P

            You keep saying the word “anti gamer”.

            I really like it.

          • Jimus Russs

            I know you like it, you dirty girl.

          • Matthew Long

            Literally!

          • Matthew Long

            Anyways, I wasn’t specifically talking about game journo outfits, brah.

          • Jimus Russs

            I don’t really care about what non gaming news has to say about it. Or do you consider the mainstream to be a reliable source on anything gaming related?

          • Matthew Long

            Oop, sounds like we are only one step removed from Alex Jones-style conspiratorial talk! Redpill! Redpill alert!

          • Jimus Russs

            Yep, sure thing dude. You go ahead and put stock in the same places that freaked out over Mass Effect, GTA, rock music, and any number of other things.

          • Matthew Long

            Wait, what’s this about Mass Effect?

          • Jimus Russs

            Haha, see ya dude. This is pretty emblematic of how the anti gamer side doesn’t keep up with the facts.

          • Matthew Long

            *facts* ok brah. Answer my question, I wants to know :^)

          • Jimus Russs

            Fox freaked out over ME being a “sex simulator.” It used to be the right that flipped over this shit, now it is the left.

          • Matthew Long

            Fox news is “lefty” to you?

          • Matthew Long

            Fox is a lefty outfit?

          • Joseph T.

            Ah, Amanda Marcotte. Has she apologized to the Duke Lacrosse team yet?

      • Kav P

        The saddest thing is the irrational fear that “anti gamers” are a thing.

        No it’s not that’s fucking hilarious

        • Jimus Russs

          Well shit dude, one can only judge what one sees. Don’t blame me.

          • Kav P

            Blame the “anti gamers”, right? :’)

          • Jimus Russs

            Right.

      • Inner Partisan

        “anti gamers”

        It’s true. We totally hate video games. BURN ALL VIDYA!

        • Kav P

          Hail Anita

          • Matthew Long

            HAIL ANITA!

        • Jimus Russs

          Hey, I can only judge by the actions displayed.

        • Mike Yocom

          I shall sacrifice a freeze peach pickled in gamer tears in the Temple of the Trinity of the Literally Who at once!

      • Cat Reid

        OLIVER CAMPBELL, IS THAT YOU?

    • Jimmy Russells

      So far you’ve responded to almost every GamerGate commenter in this article.

      Why are you so mad about people doing the same as you’re doing? Own it up, hon. Nothing wrong with wanting attention.

      • Matthew Long

        naw bro when we engage you, we just make it easier for strangers to the topic to see how awful GG is just by looking at your conspiracy theories that come out of it.

        • Jimmy Russells

          It’s hilarious watching you try and be the bigger man when you’re shitposting for the sake of it.

          Truly, you are the enlightened here, good sir.

          • Matthew Long

            Thanks, brah!

          • Jimmy Russells

            Tip that fedora harder, mate!

          • Kav P

            M’lady

        • Kav P

          I love watching them spill out.

        • Live the dream

          gamergate is by a neferious group from 4chan who are trying rid the games industry of women. This is a conspiracy theory.

          • Kav P

            That’s totally the narrative the mainstream media are pushing

          • Matthew Long

            *nefarious

  • iain davis

    zoe (crippling helldump addiction ) quinn ? savior of the triggered on twitter! you couldn’t make this stuff up, except you do.

    • aguyuno

      Let this be a lesson, folks: Remember to sign off all your sarcasm with /s, less GamerGate play stupid af and misunderstand.

  • throwaway66
    • aguyuno

      OH WELL THIS SETTLES IT. THROW AWAY OUR WEAPONS GUYS, SOMEONE POSTED A BUNCH OF UNVERIFIABLE CONVERSATION PIECES.

      • throwaway66

        An actual reporter could contact this source, but I guess that would be too much trouble.

        • aguyuno

          Yes, if only those pesky reporters would contact every asshole on the planet claiming to have a Zoe story. Damn!

          • Jimmy Russells

            But what are those, screencaps of Zoe’s emails?

            Naaaaaah.

          • GP

            the ones that have no names and have been completely redacted?

      • Jimmy Russells

        I thought you guys listened and believed? :^)

        Check your privilege, sir.

    • aguyuno

      God, anecdotes always WERE my bane!

  • Faggory Daggory Doo!

    this article is nothis but biased bullshit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz–i3M4PVk

    • aguyuno

      He says, linking to yet more “biased bullshit”.

      Go home.

    • Inner Partisan

      Reality has a well-known Anti-GamerGate bias.

      • Kav P

        I love you.

    • Kav P

      Best post ever. :’)

  • throwaway66

    http://i.imgur.com/A03hcU8.jpg

    Remember when she “fled” her home.

    • Kav P

      Remember when anyone cared about anything you said?

      Me neither, throwaway66.

    • Inner Partisan

      I do. She fled her home in August, and went to Europe in October.
      So, your point being?

    • aguyuno

      It’s almost like she’s trying to put a positive spin on things! The NERVE of her.

      • Kav P

        People who have fled their home can NEVER BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS JOY AT MAKING THE MOST OF A SHIT DEAL

        • aguyuno

          It’s like the fucking assholes who get mad when someone on foodstamps has a nice tv. “YO I THOUGHT YOU WERE POOR, POOR PEOPLE CAN’T HAVE GOOD STUFF EVER WHAT”

        • Jimmy Russells

          When I feel threatened by mean tweets, I go to Europe. It’s just pocket change, you know? :^)

          • Live the dream

            thing is the plans to travel to europe was before the zoe post. She wasn’t being harassed at that point.

          • Jezzer

            Did you just totally skip the part of the article where her boyfriend had a job offer in France, and that was why they were planning to move there?

      • Live the dream

        positive spin… that tweet was before the zoe post. She was literally NOT BEING HARASSED AT THAT POINT.

    • Jimmy Russells

      Careful, man. This is literally harassment and a conspiracy theory.

      • throwaway66

        >man

        Don’t misgender me! I’m so triggered right now.

        • Casey Snow

          Wow. You are the first person to ever come up with that joke. I mean, god, I had never thought of talking about misgendering and triggering in a flippant, condescending manner before. GENIUS! ORIGINALITY! YOU GET A STAR!
          https://cbsmancave.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/you-tried.gif

          • Kav P

            I love you, Casey.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So mad.

          • Casey Snow

            LOL. The #1 hits just keep coming. OH! OH! Next do “salty!” I love that one.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So triggered.

          • Inner Partisan

            So boring.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Yawn.

          • Inner Partisan

            Exactly.

          • Kav P

            See, you’re even putting YOURSELF to sleep now.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Fart.

          • Kav P

            You’re learning to say what you mean. I like that.

    • Jezzer

      Yeah, one post was about moving to France as part of a job offer for her new boyfriend — a job offer Gamergoats harassed until it disappeared. The other was about being threatened until she moved. Totes the same thing.

      • Cat Reid

        Gamergate will try and spin any bit of misinformation in a way to dehumanize and dismiss their victims.

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      Yawn.

      • Jimmy Russells

        Fart.

    • aguyuno

      >posts link from gamergate wiki
      >IT’S NOT BIASED I SWEAR

      • Live the dream

        yes those sources backing up what they say is totally silly.

        • Casey Snow

          Only gamergate-approved sources. Selective sources. I really don’t think gamergaters’ know what the word “bias” means.

    • Inner Partisan
      • Live the dream

        Why do people use rational wiki but still attempt to redefine racism and sexism?

        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

        • Kav P

          You realise that’s not a “debunking” of prejudice and power, right? Oh my God. :’)

          • aguyuno

            I will point out that rationalwiki discusses that it’s ridiculous to say any of the definitions of racism are “wrong”. Which is what she should’ve linked to, lmfao.

          • Kav P

            I agree, although I still don’t consider that a “debunking”, just a point about the necessity of sociocultural context when using definitions. Which again, doesn’t really preclude such definitions. :)

          • aguyuno

            Oh no, I know. I actually totally agree with what they wrote about that. Goes back to your points about critical thinking.

          • Kav P

            My favourite topic of conversation! <3

            Well, besides bunnies…

          • aguyuno

            Bunnies are evil. Cute af, but literal world destroyers.

          • Kav P

            Like meeeee

          • aguyuno

            Hahahaha, too true.

          • Perico Palotes

            you two, stop selfellating each other, it’s annoying.

          • Live the dream

            No its pointing out people who use that definiton on individuals are pretentious morons. Even in academia they don’t even use that definiton a lot. Saying an individual person can’t be racist using the prejduce + power is meaningless when applied to say twitter.

          • Kav P

            I don’t see anywhere that says that. Care to quote the exact part?

          • Live the dream

            “It is important to note that, whether you agree or disagree with the
            definition, words can have many meanings. The use of racism to mean
            “prejudice plus power” by however many academics does not disqualify
            other definitions of the term”

            Did you not notice the use of ” social justice… enthusiasts.” So many conversations with such enthusiasts have them demanding i use this definition even when its clearly inappropriate.

          • Kav P

            I did. And I’m still not sure what your point is? :)

          • Live the dream

            My point is that there seems to be a group of people who disagree with gamergate who will sources like rational wiki and yet seem determined to use academic langauge specific to one area of sociology to say that individuals can’t be racist because they are not white. When clearly its a silly position to have. It just seems hypocritical…

          • Kav P

            You realise that it works in a sociological perspective, right?

            It doesn’t really have anything to do with GamerGate given that allegedly GamerGate is about ethics in games journalism and not about ideologies, right?

            Still don’t see your point?

          • Live the dream

            Yeah but people are using it on an individual level. For instance there is a person who is vocal about gamergate and is a person of color. He also says horrible things about white people that I think are racist. But everyone seems to use this definiton to show that the individual is not racist he can’t be ebecause he is a “poc” as you say. That is the hypocracy. He is racist but he isn’t because of this ivory tower definiton that has no reason to be applied to indivuduals on twitter.

          • Kav P

            It’s not because he’s a person of colour, it’s because he’s saying things about white people. That’s prejudice. That’s not racism.

            If a white person said something about white people it would also be prejudice, not racism.

          • Live the dream

            Its racism i just gave you rational wiki link. It has nothing to do with the ivory tower definition. According to the dictionary he is racist. That definition is the appropirate one to use on an individual.

  • throwaway66

    Here’s the video that Quinn tried to get YouTube to delete by filing a false DMCA takedown notice.

    • Matthew Long

      ahahahahaha Mundane Matt! Haaaaa dear god….

    • Kav P

      Stop farting, throwaway66.

    • Casey Snow

      And now it appears that we’ve entered the “WATCH MUH VIDEO!” portion required of every good gamergater’s offense.

      • aguyuno

        I’m surprised it took them this long!

        • Casey Snow

          Thunderf00t vids imminent…

  • Faggory Daggory Doo!

    Remember everyone but Zoe Quinn(Crippling hell dump addiction) is a privleged cisshit harrasher, FYI Helldunp is a site where you try and get people to kill themselves.

  • Ceara

    A poorly-researched, lie-filled hit piece of epic proportions.

    • Inner Partisan

      A poorly-worded, obviously pre-fabricated throwaway comment of rather meager proportions.

      • Ceara

        And yet you responded to my “obviously pre-fabricated throwaway comment.”

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      “Unbiased breakdown” = “Know Your Meme”

      Oh my stars just go away :’)

      • Casey Snow

        It’s pretty much the only thing written at their reading-level.

    • Inner Partisan

      Man, you’re on a fucking roll here, kiddo! All that’s missing are some links to ED, and I’ve got Bingo!

      • throwaway66

        Its a sad state of affairs when ED is more credible than Boston Magazine.

        • Kav P

          It’s certainly very telling, isn’t it? Huh.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I thought you were going to sleep.

          • Kav P

            YOU’RE NOT MY MUM

          • Jimmy Russells

            No, I’m not as disappointed.

          • Kav P

            OH SNAP

          • aguyuno

            >Literally stalking your twitter now.

            Yeah Jimmy, you’re not mad at all bb.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >stalking a public Twitter account

            :^)

          • aguyuno

            …Are you, like, actually idiotic? Or do you just play one on tv?

            You went to her twitter because you’re mad. The end. Damn, son.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Not as mad as Kav who can’t help but inject herself in drama to own butthurt gamers.

          • aguyuno

            Riiiiiiiiight.

          • aguyuno

            But still mad, I notice.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m sure you can circlejerk all over her timeline once she wakes up.

          • aguyuno

            >Thinking a circle can be made with only two people

          • Jimmy Russells

            You’re right. Spitroasting or eiffel towering her would be more appropriate.

          • aguyuno

            …Two things that _also_ can’t be done with two people.

            Seriously, dude. Are you ill?

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m including her in the package, don’t worry.

            You need to learn how to read, dude.

          • aguyuno

            I don’t…

            Who do you think this third person is going to be?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Any of the white knights defending Zoe and Kav, of course.

          • aguyuno

            Right, except you were only talking to me, and said I was going to be the one doing it.

            It’s alright. I’ll accept your rampant stupidity as an excuse.

          • Kav P

            > Find out commenter is female
            > Proceed to make sexist comments about “damseling” commenter
            > Think this doesn’t make you look shit and helps you “win”

            lmao

          • Kav P

            I’m right here, honky.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >she thinks I’m white

            Check that privilege.

          • Kav P

            I just like the word “honky”. Are you… are you a racist? What are you implying

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t backpedal that hard, you’re gonna fall.

          • Kav P

            You honestly don’t understand how sarcasm works, do you? Oh my fucking God never change

          • aguyuno

            The dude thinks he can win arguments by being an edgelord who objectifies women. Expecting anything above 3rd grade intelligence from him is too optimistic.

          • Jimmy Russells

            And here I thought you guys could handle the banter. Whatever happened to owning me? Did I trigger you too hard?

          • Jimmy Russells

            You didn’t check your privilege, though!

          • Kav P

            Totally owning them.

            I’m such a great anti gamer.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Go to bed.

          • Kav P

            NO U

        • Matthew Long

          yea ED has such a stellar reputation among professional journalists everywhere.

      • aguyuno

        I’ve actually used ED a couple times because once you sort out all the sheer rage their writers hold, you can come to your own conclusions.

        For example, it’s how I learned EgoRaptor was anti-GamerGate.

    • Cat Reid

      “KnowYourMeme, ED and Breitbart agree with me!”
      oh wow…

    • Kes

      Unbiased?

      • J Ryan

        It’s just another word GGers don’t understand. they think unbiased means “agreeing with us on everything”, just like ethical journalism means “blindly spreading and reporting every shitty rumour that comes farting out of the various chan communities”.

  • Jezzer

    The best part of this is that the Gamergators won’t be able to resist flooding the comments and inadvertently reinforcing everything in the article.

    • Jimmy Russells

      I’m sure shitposting will bring more validity to this article.

      • Jezzer

        See?

        • aguyuno

          The GG train is never off schedule.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Literally triggered you.

          • Kav P

            A GamerGoat is never late, Aguyuno. Nor are they early.

            They arrive PRECISELY when they mean to.

          • Casey Snow

            Mussolini (/pol) keeps the GG train running on time.

      • Matthew Long

        PLEASE JUST KEEP TALKING! DON’T EVER STOP!

    • aguyuno

      Yuuuuuuuuuup

    • Kav P

      I mentioned that too. <3

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      Yawn.

      • Matthew Long

        hey kav check your twitter. apparently you’ve possibly have met one of my friends in Beunos Aires.

        • Kav P

          Bloody Hell, you know Pablo? He’s my Buenos Aires bestie <3

    • Matthew Long

      “but it’s not about zoe!”

      • Jimmy Russells

        This article isn’t about Zoe?

        • Live the dream

          You see since we don’t focus on zoe much we then can’t talk about unethical jounralism that features zoe. Because pointing out said unethical behaviour would be proof of harassment somehow.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Fart.

          • Kav P

            Stop talking about Zoe

            Gosh

            Based on all your comments trying to say the opposite, you all seem obsessed or something. It’s weird.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Stop talking about Zoe on a Zoe Quinn article, shitlord!

            When are you going to shill your Patreon account? After you go to sleep?

          • Kav P

            If GamerGate isn’t even about Zoe Quinn then you probably shouldn’t be here farting

          • Jimmy Russells

            But this article is about Zoe Quinn. I’m talking about Zoe Quinn, and GG happens to be one of the topics related to her.

          • Kav P

            But GG isn’t even about Zoe Quinn omg

          • Jimmy Russells

            But it’s related to Zoe Quinn, omg

          • Kav P

            But it’s not even, omg

          • Jimmy Russells

            Then why does she keep bringing it up, omg

            Or for that matter, this article. Or you.

            omg

          • Kav P

            Because I’m not a GG supporter and I can do wtf I want without it reflecting badly on my group of children who think they’re in Army.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I can do whatever I want, too. My country may be shit but I’m still free.

            Why are you so grumpy, though? You really need that nap.

          • Kav P

            8D

          • Live the dream

            Its weird to comment about zoe on an article that interviewed zoe?

        • Matthew Long

          GG isn’t about Zoe, yet they feel the court affidavit is totes legit topic to do a medium post on.

          • Live the dream

            An article about zoe that is unethical and doesn’t mention the fact that she has lied isn’t about ethical jounralism?

          • Jimmy Russells

            But this article is about Zoe, so it’s only fair to bring the Medium article up as well.

  • throwaway66

    Zach, you’re welcome. I did all the research you didn’t have time for. Or maybe you’re just hoping that Rolling Stone has an opening.

    • Jimmy Russells

      Gang rape is such a hot topic these days, too.

      He’s hoping for that clickbait dream job.

    • Inner Partisan

      Your research is making Alex Jones all jelly.

    • Casey Snow

      And maybe one day you can aspire to leave COMMENTS on a Rolling Stone article! Dream big, throwaway, dream big!

  • aguyuno

    No more Kav makes this place kind of boring, tbh. Plus, only so many times I can respond to the same brand of stupidity.

    Peace all you honkies.

    • Casey Snow

      Yup. See ya, kids. You can all pat yourselves on the back with “WE’RE WINNING!” after boring your opponents away.

  • Bobby

    EPIC FAIL.

    Another attempt to tell the GamerGate story. Another hit piece full of lies.

    How did a movement that isn’t about ethics in games journalism manage to reform ethics in games journalism?

    Journalists that have changed their policies
    IGN
    The Escapist
    Eurogamer
    PC Gamer
    The Verge

    Journalists who refused
    Kotaku is in ashes. Rock Paper Shotgun is breathing it’s last breath. Polygon will not survive. Gamasutra shows a MASSIVE traffic drop at Alexa.

    Meanwhile, $70,000 raised in donations for women developers thanks to the men & women of GamerGate
    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists–2

    A few trolls using the #GamerGate hashtag on twitter aren’t representative of the entire movement. We have 50,000+ on our side. 99.9% of which are not trolls.

    • Sepko

      You do realise how much you sound like like 9/11 Truthers/Obama Birthers/Creationists right?

      • Michael Lindsay

        With a bit of Scientology thrown in for good measure, ostracise those suppressive persons-the SJWs and feminists threw all the good old games with gore and boobies into a volcano doncha know.

      • http://legendsmith.net LegendsmithAU

        Only because you maintain your own ignorance and don’t check what Bobby here is saying. All of those things? You can check. They are falsifiable, unlike young earthers who will say that the dinosaur bones are there to confuse you, unlike the truthers who will ascribe anything contrary to another conspiracy.
        You can go and check those facts. They happened.
        But you’re already deciding to dismiss it as another conspiracy, in spite of the evidence staring you in the face to the contrary.

        • Sepko

          GG got 5 gaming publications out of god knows how many to add an extra sentence for “ethics” and totally not because of honky-baby-gamerboy tantrums.

          GG gloats about “destroying” publications that are inexplicably still around despite said honky-baby-gamerboy tantrums.

          GG gloating about about their charity work looks disingenuous as shit.

          Also it’s pretty fukken laughable at worst to think you lot are anything more than a thousand honky-baby-gamerboys.

          • Bobby

            Nearly 50,000 signed the petition to block Anita from working with EA (yes it was a rumor but proves GG’s enormous following)
            http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/12/ea-replied-fan-petition-remove-anita-sarkeesian-mirrors-edge-2-game-development/

            Interesting try at dismissing everything GG has accomplished but your argument is just insult and opinion. Nothing more.

          • Sepko

            I thought Gamergate wasn’t about feminism, eh? Or is the honky-baby-gamerboy paranoia seeping in again?

          • Bobby

            GG started about ethics. When the SJWs attacked us, we went on the offensive against them too.

            Seriously, is it that hard to connect the dots on that one?

          • Sepko

            I do so love the “talk shit get hit” barbarism that plagues the gamergate philosophy.

          • Matthew Long
          • Craig Brooks

            Really…50,000 is enormous? You know that’s less than 1% of people that game, right? By that standard, your “voice” is as meaningful as a fart in a hurricane.

          • Bobby

            50k isn’t the upper limit. I never got to sign it myself as many others didn’t either.

            The point is GG is tremendously bigger than aGG because, yes most people don’t care or even know about GG or aGG.

          • Craig Brooks

            Wow…delusion.
            aGG is anyone opposed to GG by definition. If you honestly think there are only 50k opposed to the BS you guys have pulled, you are living in lala land.

            I also don’t count a Change.org count as a definitive, since GG has shown time and again that they’ll make sock puppet/fake accounts to serve their purposes. Hell, I can go right now and make 5 gmail accounts, I must be 5 different people? Please.

            But hey, you guys keep believing in your own self-importance and overlooking/denying all the harm people cause in your group’s name. Ignore all the bullying, harassment, threats, Swattings, Doxxings, etc done by people counting themselves part of GG. It’s your standard MO.

          • Bobby

            You realize that most gamers do not care either way about GG right? The vast majority are neutral.

            I would pay money to have them hear both sides though as they would undoubtedly want ethics in journalism and SJW B.S. out of their games.

            Also, I said 50k+ represents GG not aGG. You misread what I said.

            Dying to hear why you feel aGG is sooooooo much bigger though?

          • Bobby

            We don’t ignore any of the bullying. Only your side ignores the bullying, harassment, and doxxing of pro-GG’ers. We actively denounce it. All. The. Time.

    • Matthew Long

      yes, because bragging about charity donations as a way to supposedly disprove something is totally a way to win the publics heart.

      • Bobby

        Love how you ignored the ethics in journalism that have been changed but cherry picked the charity

        • Matthew Long

          oh I can touch on those, too. Would you like me to, bobby?

        • Sepko

          Well seeing as Kotaku is still runnin, RPS isn’t going anywhere, Polygon will probably outlive us all and Gamasutra was never for gamers anyway, that whole “ethics” part is a whole crock of bullshit really.

          • Bobby

            Didn’t say any of them disappeared. Just that they’re declining.

            Ethics in IGN, The Escapist, Eurogamer, PC Gamer, The Verge changed because of GG. So no not a crock of BS really.

          • Sepko

            “Declining in viewership according to my trusty tinfoil”

          • Bobby

            Are you tired of being wrong yet? :)

            GamaSutra
            http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamasutra.com

          • Sepko

            Why is this only showing only four months worth of data? Is it to justify your hilarious narrative?

          • Sepko

            Where’s the year’s worth of data? Two years worth of data? How do we know this isn’t just a cycle? Is it because it looks better if you just shove this one link to everyone to show how “right” you are?

          • Matthew Long

            How do you know they changed? They had a few words laid out regarding ethics. Are you really that gullible?

          • Bobby

            Time will tell. We will be watching and calling out any shady BS as in the past.

          • Sepko

            “Can’t have too much cooties or queer shit in my games now can we?”

          • Bobby

            Actually, GG is a diverse group and one of our most vocal leaders is gay. We are INCLUSIVE. We think ALL developers should have free artistic expression free from SJW ideology.

            It’s the SJWs who want to exclude and limit games.

            Do you really think Mario is sexist because he rescues the princess? SJWs think so.

    • Cat Reid

      Conversations about ethics happen DESPITE gamergate, not because of it. Responsible adults have been having ongoing convos long before GG, and it was the whiny manbaby tantrum of GG that shut down the discussions for months.
      GG claiming any gains is ridiculous and pathetic.

      • Bobby

        Yes I’m sure the fact that the changes happened while GG was fighting for them was merely coincidence.

        • Cat Reid

          Literally the conversations on ethics shut down because of your harassment campaign, then we were able to mostly ignore you and continue. GG is desperate for any little bit of propaganda to avoid looking in to the mirror and seeing itself as a monster.

          • Bobby

            Your opinion doesn’t refute a single thing I said. Ethics were fought for and changed. Period.

          • Sepko

            “We made five websites add a sentence! Look how amazing we are!”

          • Bobby

            So you admit we got them to change their policies? Wow, finally someone not blinded by hate.

            Why write a whole paragraph of changes when it can be done in a sentence?

          • Sepko

            Never said you did, dudebro, only that you claimed you did.
            Nice to see the gater reading comprehension still as great as ever.

          • Bobby

            “We made five websites add a sentence!” – You mocking us 2 posts up. Again, why does it matter that it was only a sentence that they changed?

          • Sepko

            Why does it matter that you believe you had literally anything to do with it?

          • Bobby

            So GG fights for ethics changes at certain websites. Those changes happen.

            Your conclusion: They changed by mere coincidence.

            Ok buddy. I hope you never end up on a jury.

          • Sepko

            I’d fare better with brain damage than any gater ever dreamed they could.

          • Cat Reid

            Gamergate is the akin to yelling at the moon to go away and then claiming victory when the sun rises. GOOD JOB! WINNING!

          • Dragon_2

            Remember when one person wrote one article about the metal scene not always being nice; and then GG jumped on it and proclaimed ‘#MetalGate’ an attempt by pernicious SJWs to DESTROY the metal community.

            When no one (and I do mean no one) took the bait, they proclaimed victory against the evil SJW campaign that never existed.

          • throwaway66

            Sorry, exposing corruption isn’t “harassment.”

          • Sepko

            Calling someone an attention whore/spreading their personal information online isn’t “exposing corruption”

      • throwaway66

        You might be surprised to find out that GameJournoPros collusion was uncovered because of GamerGate, not in spite of it.

        • Sepko

          “THESE GUYS TALK TO EACH OTHER. COLLUSION”
          – Literally GJP

        • J Ryan

          There’s no proof within the GJP ‘expose’ of any collusion, if there was Milo* would have been screaming it from the rooftops. instead he basically said “OMG DESE GUYZ TALK TO EACH OTHER OMG!$%^&*!!!!”

          These might come as a shock but most industries have some form of mailing list, breitbart journalists are on a few of them. When you grow up and enter the real world you’ll realise that folk working in the same industry talk to each other, it’s basic human itneraction. Don’t worry you might experience it one day.

          *the same Milo who blamed gamers for Elliot Rodgers, who called gamers child rapists and sad people sitting in their parents basement in yellow underwear… things much worse than Alexander and the others ever said.

        • Cat Reid

          Literally zero ethical journalists who examined that leaked dump found anything relevant or scandalous. Zero.
          It was entirely a non-issue and the fact GG got all hyped about it was just another embarrassment for GG…

    • Mopati

      I don’t understand… If the name “Gamer Gate” have such a bad reputation, why not change your name ?
      Let the trolls keep this name, and change yours.
      No more bad reputation !

      (That is, no more bad reputation if you do good things. I don’t really believe in your innocence.
      Let see the future facts. I will believe you when people who will change theur policies will say it’s thanks to you.)

      • Bobby

        You make a fair point Mopati but the trolls represent a fraction of GG and there are trolls on BOTH sides (of course we admit this but aGG won’t).

        Why let trolls dictate the other 99% of us?

        • Matthew Long

          So….what statistic are you grabbing this “%99.9 of GG aren’t trolls” from?

          • Sepko

            #notallgamergaters

          • Bobby

            Please, find all the hateful comments by anyone who is actually verifiably from GG.

            You do realize YOU could go create a fake twitter account right now and tweet hateful messages using the #GamerGate hashtag right?

            I fully admit there are trolls on BOTH sides but they are the minority. Most are reasonable people who firmly believe their side is right.

          • Sepko

            (one side doesn’t feed off the bullshit the “trolls” give them though, dudebro)

          • Matthew Long

            how is one “verifiably” from GG? You mean someone like rogue star?

        • Mopati

          Why ? Because these “trolls” are those who give you your bad reputation…
          You should “hunt” them first, as they destruct what you’re trying to do.

          Your reputation is really important, and not only they destruct what you’re trying to do, but they make you seem like the bad guys.

          I think they are the priority over anything else for now, even if they are the 1% GG people.

          • Bobby

            You’re right. We have denounced them at every turn and separated ourselves from them by saying we are totally not cool with any form of harassment or name calling but it’s obviously not enough.

            The biggest problem is the media is so biased against us that they highlight every single troll tweet and attempt to link it to the ENTIRE movement. It’s like saying all Muslims are terrorists because a few happen to be. Sheer ignorance.

          • Sepko

            Seeing as you most definitely applaud Slade, Milo, Baldwin, among others I’m gonna say your “denouncement” is quite bullshit.

          • Bobby

            HAHAHAHAHA those people aren’t trolls. Wow you are seriously grasping at straws. You got absolutely nothing. Aren’t you tired of getting shot down?

          • Sepko

            Slade doxxes and ban evades like nobody’s business, Milo is as unethical a “journalist” as one can get, and Baldwin started the gamergate name with a Five Guys video, soooooooo

          • J Ryan

            You seriously don’t think Roguestar is a troll? That’s all he does, well that and beg for money to port his incomplete and overdue game to the PS4.

            Also what about Adam “Prove Obama doesn’t want to infect the US with Ebola’ Baldwin? He sure comes across as a troll to me.

          • Mopati

            Yes, and that’s (maybe) right, and that’s just why I talked about choosing a new name!

            You could discard your reputation by doing that, it’s worth trying, at least.

          • Sepko

            About 8 months too late really but oh well.
            There’re far more reputable/respectable people talking about ethics outside of GG anyway.
            LE GASP, PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF GG TALKING ETHICS? SORCERY!

          • Mopati

            … Sorry, but you’re not helping by yelling at people. ^^’
            You now you will not change anything by doing that, if there are like you say, they will not change with that.
            Let’s try making things better, instead of yelling at everything because they are bad.

            … Maybe you won’t succeed, but it’s worth a try.

          • Sepko

            They’ve had over 8 months, they’re not changing, the best you can do for this lot is point and laugh vigorously.

          • Mopati

            I’m not defending them. I think they are bad too. I just hope they aren’t.

            But let’s just say that we should not give up. ^^’

          • Sepko

            You’re either super patient or super naive and I’m hoping for the former.

          • Bobby

            I’ll see what others think about that. Thank you. It’s been nice talking to you about this. :)

          • Mopati

            Wow. This talk was a lot nicer than I expected. ^^’

            I hope that things will go well, goodbye !

      • Craig Brooks

        That’s been suggested to them since August last year. They won’t because they’re not an “organized” group and refuse to be, instead using that very excuse to allow deniability for any action done in the name of the group that makes the group look bad.

        • Bobby

          Should Muslims change their name because a minority of them are terrorists?

          • Sepko

            (gamergate isn’t a religion and equating your hate mob to one couldn’t be more freakin creepy)

          • Sepko

            Also Islam in its many forms at least have leadership for godsakes

          • Craig Brooks

            So you guys are a religion now?
            Last I checked, even religions has some organization to them.

          • Bobby

            What??? Did I say we’re a religion? No. I made the point that a group shouldn’t change its name because of a few rotten eggs.

            The principle is the same regardless of what kind of group we are talking about.

          • Craig Brooks

            No actually it isn’t. Religions are organized groups with structure and defined leadership. That allows the larger group to deny and denounce the actions of radical fringe trying to do things in the name of the group. GG does not have that structure or leadership. That directly PREVENTS them from credibly denying when people do things that they don’t want to be blamed for.

            And no, you didn’t say you’re a religion, but you’re comparing directly to one. The only way such a comparison would work is if you were. You’d be better comparing to a group more along the lines of GG.

          • Sepko

            Stormfront, for example.
            Wait they have a leadership structure too, don’t they? Well, barely a semblence of one.

          • Craig Brooks

            Well, that’s the other thing. GG at this point has aligned with Stormfront, the MRA movement, etc. The allies/friends you keep tell volumes about your group.

          • Bobby

            No. I made the point that a group shouldn’t change its name because of a few rotten eggs. Period.

            You are beyond dense if you cannot grasp this simple analogy.

          • Craig Brooks

            Right, because hanging name and organizing would then require you to actually have to take responsibility and discipline those going out doing committing radical acts in the name of the group. I mean, why do that when you guys can just keep claiming whatever “wins” you want while disregarding the countless people targeted by GGers? And don’t bring up the Anti-harassment patrol. They’re a JOKE and even those in GG rip on them about doing even the minimum to be decent.

          • Dragon_2

            I don’t think you’re the one who should be calling people dense tbh :>

    • J Ryan

      “Kotaku is in ashes. Rock Paper Shotgun is breathing it’s last breath.
      Polygon will not survive. Gamasutra shows a MASSIVE traffic drop at
      Alexa”

      Seeing as you like Alexa let’s see what they show…

      Kotaku has fallen 73 places worlwide yet they’re stillg etting more views than they did last summer. Funny definition of ashes there Bobby http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com

      RockPaperShotgun has more visitors, and a higher rank, than they had last summer too. Funny definition of breathing its last breath http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rockpapershotgun.com

      You’re right on gamasutra, which is a pity as it offers much better commentary than GG sites such as TechRaptor, reaxxion and the ralphretort (all of which have a much lower ranking and are much less popular than any of the sites you mentioned)

      also you are aware that Change petitions are idiculously easy to scam right? looking at twitter analytics shows that there’s much less than 50,000 active gators.

    • facefault

      >We have 50,000+ on our side.

      Even if every single GGer writes only one post on it per day, you have about 5,000 on your side.

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23gamergate%20-RT&via=Topsy

      This is a very generous assumption, of course, because most GGers I’ve seen post the tag dozens or hundreds of times per day. And it fails to count people who criticize GG by using the tag.

      Not even the most self-inflating metric GG has come up with – claiming that all subscribers to their board on Reddit are real people, support the movement, and are active members – gets you much above 30,000. (And there’s no reason to give this credence; we’ve all seen how much GG loves making sockpuppets).

      > 99.9% of which are not trolls.

      Maybe not from your perspective. From my non-GG perspective, it looks like about 80% troll.

      • Bobby

        Not every GG’er posts to twitter at all let alone every day. Terrible argument.

        Nearly 50,000 signed the petition to block Anita from working with EA on a mere rumor and that didn’t even count all of GG.

        Last time I checked, 48,000 down voted the ABC one sided hit piece interview with Anita. (update, now 49,000+)

        80% of Anita’s Time votes were for “No”.

        Where’s Anita’s support if you aGG’ers have such big numbers? Nowhere to be found.

        You Anti-GG’ers are a million times worse with your trolling. Check out #StopWebH8. It’s all SJWs and Anti-GG’ers trolling and spreading hate.

        If aGG is so big, and GG trolls so much where is all the hate? Where? You have nothing.

        Check out the comments here. Most of the insults being flung are from aGG people per usual.

        • facefault

          Wasn’t GG about ethics in games journalism? A petition to stop
          a game developer from talking to a non-journalist has nothing to do with that. And I don’t see any of the people signing that petition using the #gamergate hashtag. By GG’s own definition of who’s a member, there is no reason to believe the signers of this petition are members of GG.

          >Check out the comments here. Most of the insults being flung are from aGG people per usual.

          We seem to be reading different comments.

          • Bobby

            In the beginning, GG was about ethics in journalism (how do you think we got so many journalists to change their ethics policies?) but it’s now also about keeping games free from SJW nonsense. So it has 2 main objectives. The SJW part was adopted in retaliation for the way Anita relentlessly attacks games and the gaming industry.

            That’s ridiculous. Few outside of GG even knows who Anita is and those that do certainly wouldn’t petition against her given the way the liberal media has pandered to her and presented only her side of the story from day 1. GG sounded the call to arms and we got the petition going. I’m not shocked that you tried to dismiss a petition that large as it proves GG is bigger than you’d like to admit but it was a poor attempt.

            “We seem to be reading different comments.”
            The most incredible part of the aGG crowd isn’t that they dismiss facts and logic – it’s that they refuse to admit their own movement also contains trolls. For a side so obsessed with the minority of GG who troll, you’d think they’d be more in tune to their own trolling. Guess not.

            Check out #stopwebh8 or #gamergate and get back to me with how many hateful tweets you see from pro-GG’ers versus how many you see from anti-GG’ers and SJWs.

    • Dragon_2

      You are delusional

  • Cat Reid

    Conversations about ethics happen DESPITE gamergate, not because of it. Responsible adults have been having ongoing convos long before GG, and it was the whiny manbaby tantrum of GG that shut down the discussions for months.

    GG claiming any gains is ridiculous and pathetic.
    Thank goodness it is now just the fringe antifeminists that still use the gamergate tag, letting us easily know who to avoid online.

    • Bobby

      Yes I’m sure the fact that the changes happened while GamerGate was fighting for them was merely a coincidence.

      “Fringe antifeminists”?? You do realize 77% of women (not just GG women but ALL women) reject modern feminism right?

      • Sepko

        What magical orifice did you pull that bullshit statistic out of?

        • Bobby
          • Sepko

            Wait hang on, we’re going by an *internet* poll?

          • Bobby

            The poll is from Pew and validated by the ultra liberal Huffington Post. Try again.

            Eagerly awaiting your next try to squirm out of the fact that most Americans want no part of modern feminism.

          • Sepko

            And please by all your incorruptible gater wisdom, what is “modern feminism”?

          • Bobby

            If you don’t know the difference, then you shouldn’t be trying to discuss it. Go educate yourself.

            P.S. it has NOTHING to do with GG

          • Sepko

            Soooooo why are you talking about it?
            LE GASP, is it because gamergate has just been a anti-feminist pissbaby-fest this whole time?
            What a twist!

          • J Ryan

            Ok then… please tell me why a movement, or are you guys a consumer revolt these days, that’s supposedly about ethical game journalism spent so much more time going for Quinn than they did going for Grayson?

            Why did Felicia Day get attacked and doxxed simply for saying GG scares her?

            Why the hell do so many people involved with GG froth at the mouth at the mere mention of Anita Sarkeesian?

          • Bobby

            1) How did a movement that isn’t about ethics in games journalism manage to reform ethics in games journalism?

            Journalists that have changed their policies
            IGN
            The Escapist
            Eurogamer
            PC Gamer
            The Verge

            2) Because Grayson ran away and hid while ZQ tried to spin everything to make herself look like the victim and fought tooth and nail against the truth. Of course we fought back. What would you expect?

            3) Who in GG doxxed her? We don’t agree with doxxing or harassment of any kind from either side. Period.

            4) Anita criticized gamers and the industry which is fine but when her views were steadfastly rejected by the majority, she continued to force her ideology on us.

            85-90% of those who know Anita disagree with her views. She openly admits she isn’t a gamer and constantly gets facts wrong. She thinks Super Mario Bros is sexist because Mario has to rescue the princess. She thinks a woman sitting on the ground with her knees to the side is sexist. She claims the backlash is because of her gender while ignoring that Jack Thompson faced the EXACT same backlash (google him if you don’t know the story).

            All we gamers want is games to be free from SJW ideology. Devs should not have their artistic expression limited.

          • J Ryan

            “2) Because Grayson ran away and hid while ZQ tried to spin everything to
            make herself look like the victim and fought tooth and nail against the
            truth. Of course we fought back. What would you expect?”

            Grayson didn’t hide, he continued doing what he’s always done. Quinn thoguht back against GG because it was born out of the lies the Quinnspiracy spewed onto the internet. GG attacked her so she fought back., what do you expect her to do?

            “3) Who in GG doxxed her? We don’t agree with doxxing or harassment of any kind from either side. Period.”

            http://kotaku.com/felicia-day-and-gamergate-this-is-what-happens-now-1650544129 There you go. Now I know you’ll isntantly dismiss it but there it is.

            “4) Anita criticized gamers and the industry which is fine but when her
            views were steadfastly rejected by the majority, she continued to force
            her ideology on us.”

            How did she force her views on people? She makes vidoes and gives talks, neither of which are forcing her views on people. You guys are so insecure, any little criticism is censorship or forcing views.

            “She claims the backlash is because of her gender while ignoring that
            Jack Thompson faced the EXACT same backlash (google him if you don’t
            know the story)”

            Jack thompson actively tried to get games banned, Anita doesn’t. By the way i was around for the jack thompson insanity, many who oppose GG ahve been involved in the #hobby for decades, you guys do not speak for all gamers.

            “All we gamers want is games to be free from SJW ideology. Devs should not have their artistic expression limited.”

            I bet you don’t see the inherent copntradiction here- you want developers to be free to make what they want… unless they include politics you don’t like. Laughable.

            “85-90% of those who know Anita disagree with her views”

            Citation needed.

            “She thinks Super Mario Bros is sexist because Mario has to rescue the princess.”

            I want a link to her calling Super Mario Bros sexist, that’s a link to her, not mundanematt, thunderfoot or internetaristocrat. She discusses the use of the damsal in distress trope but in the videos I’ve seen i don’t recall her calling it sexist.

          • Bobby

            2) “Grayson ran away and hid” = he didn’t fight back like ZQ. You misunderstood me.

            3) From your own link: “some people posting in her comments section, one under the name “Gaimerg8,” doxxed her, sharing what they claimed was her home address”

            B.S…. YOU could’ve just as easily been “Gaimerg8”. I mean really? It’s too perfect. The name of the doxxer was GamerGate. Please.

            I will add, we do not agree with doxxing of any kind just as I am 100% positive you do not agree with the doxxing of the pro-GG’ers.

            The trolls on BOTH sides are horrible people.

            “How did she force her views on people?”

            This. Which scares the hell out of me. Teaching SJW nonsense in our classrooms. Ugh.
            http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/is-gaming-a-boys-club.pdf

            Also, she continues to give talks spreading her SJW BS all over the place. It’s scary that some buy into it although she only speaks in echo chambers. I would give my left arm to see her debate Milo.

            It’s obvious she is on a crusade and is not stopping anytime soon. The media eats up her “women are victims” narrative as it fits in line with the BS they push on us.

            It’s not a contradiction. We don’t want developers to cave to her SJW nonsense. How many times have seen feminists impose their will on companies? Too many. Now if Anita wants to go start her own company and make SJW approved games then hey go nuts. Lord knows she’s made enough $$$ out of all of this.

            If you can’t see the obvious parallels between Anita and Jack, I don’t know what to tell ya. It’s plain as day. If Anita was a man, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would care that HE got harassed by trolls like Jack did.

            “Citation needed”
            -85% dislike ratio on her videos before she removed voting from them
            -85-90% dislike ratio on all videos with her in them (see ABC interview)
            -48,000+ dislikes on her ABC interview. At one time it was the 85th most disliked video in the entire history of YouTube.
            -80% said no in the Time poll

            She calls the “rescue the princess” trope sexist in Tropes vs. Women part 1. She then calls out Super Mario Bros among others.

          • Cat Reid

            This is GG, who think brigading a youtube’s thumb’s down somehow has an impact on reality…

          • Bobby

            Right, Pew isn’t a trusted source on polling data or anything.

          • Sepko

            And the internet has always been a truthful resource of infinite wisdom.

          • Bobby

            It is actually possible to obtain accurate polling data online. I do realize you have nothing else left except to argue that Pew’s online polls are untrustworthy or else you wouldn’t be trying such a poor and wholly ridiculous argument.

      • Cat Reid

        gamergate taking credit for any progress is laughable.
        And no, 77% of women aren’t antifeminists. But pretty much everyone in GG is…

        • Bobby

          Wrong again. Never said 77% of women are antifeminists. Read what I said.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/feminism-poll_n_3094917.html

          • Cat Reid

            Read what I said: Gamergate is united by it’s rampant antifeminism.

          • Bobby

            Read what I said. 80% of the country – 84% of men and 77% of women – reject modern Feminism. The majority of the country including GG is united against the SJWs who act hysterical and insane and ram their ideology down all our throats. People are sick of it.

          • Craig Brooks

            Not as sick of it as as GG and Baph. 😛

          • Bobby

            That’s all you got? Ok then. So you acknowledge the fact that most women and men reject modern feminism?

          • Craig Brooks

            I think they reject because they are unaware of what feminism actually is/means, thinking it is Misandry and not equality for all.

          • Bobby

            They reject because what feminism claims to do and what it actually does are completely different.

          • Calloway McSmithing

            All your article demonstrates is that people accept feminist ideas, but just don’t understand or like the label ‘feminist’. And no wonder, given the way people such as yourself choose to poison the word.

      • J Ryan

        “You do realize 77% of women (not just GG women but ALL women) reject modern feminism right?”

        You mean 77% of american women right? That’s what the poll shows. There is a world outside of the US you know.

        The article also shows how the majority of people actually agree with feminisms goals which shows, in my opinion, how so many people have swallowed the strawman of feminism

        • Bobby

          Yes I did mean “american” women because UK women reject feminism in even larger numbers.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9614864/Just-one-in-seven-women-describes-themselves-as-feminist.html

          You’re right. The majority agree with Equality. The majority are also intelligent enough to see that feminism stopped being about equality a long time ago.

          A dictionary does NOT define a movement. Actions do. There is a wide gap between what feminism claims to do and what it actually does.

          People are aware of this now and reject feminism.

          • J Ryan

            “You’re right. The majority agree with Equality. The majority are also
            intelligent enough to see that feminism stopped being about equality a
            long time ago.”

            You didn’t read the article did you? It actually goes into detail and shows how the majority of people think issues like equal pay and that a majority want air brushed adverts banned. These are people who agree with the majority of feminst beliefs but seem to have been swayed by the growing caricature of feminism.

            “A dictionary does NOT define a movement. Actions do. There is a wide gap
            between what feminism claims to do and what it actually does.”

            I’m willing to bet a hefty amount that you don’t see how this statement can easily apply to Gamer”It’s actually about ethics in game journalism”Gate.

          • Bobby

            Of course I read the article. You still think feminism is about equality???

            I’ll give you 2 irrefutable examples.

            1) Feminists in the US claim women make 77 cents to a man’s dollar even though lead economist Katie Bardaro showed they make 98 cents to a man’s dollar.

            The AAWU, ABC, CNN, HuffPost, Politifact, Slate, Time, and the WSJ have all debunked the 77 cent number.

            Women own 51% of the wealth and spend 75% of the money in the US (Business Insider).

            Yet we here tale after tale of how women are weak, oppressed victims. It’s BS.

            2) Feminists claim 1 in 5 women get raped on college campuses and parade this number around as fact. Anyone who questions it gets called a rape apologist or denialist (google Chirstina Hoff Sommers).

            OF COURSE it’s not 1 in 5. What parent would send their daughter to a place where she had a 20% chance to be raped???

            The Bureau of Justice Statistics PROVED it’s 6 in 1,000 or 0.6%. For a 4 year college student, it’s 1 in 52. Not even remotely 1 in 5.
            http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5176

            “I’m willing to bet a hefty amount that you don’t see how this statement
            can easily apply to Gamer”It’s actually about ethics in game
            journalism”Gate.”

            There is one GLARING difference.

            GG denounces all who harass or dox. We openly say NO WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS.

            Get back to me when NOW.org or Feminism.org openly denounce the wage gap myth, 1 in 5 rape number, or denounce all the crazy stuff women do in the name of feminism (like protesting male suicide prevention clinics for example). Get back to me when feminism denounces the crazy stuff its own leaders have said about men.

            So no it doesn’t apply to GG and it’s disingenuous to claim it does.

    • Snoopy

      Except the FTC has explicitely credited GG with their renewal of regulations concerning online advertisements. So whatever you think others have prepared, GG has transfered it into reality.

      • Cat Reid

        Nope, they actually didn’t. Once again GG taking credit for something that was already happening. It’s just so SAD that here we are at an article about serial harassment from an online mob and you want to talk about taking credit for the FTC? Like get some priorities kid.

        • throwaway66

          Yes, I’m sure disclosing affiliate links on these corrupt gaming sites was just a big coincidence.

  • SecurityBlanket

    No one would ever pen invective this juvenile about Hitler or bin Laden because you’d have facts on your side. Meanwhile, Zachary Jason invests an awful lot of energy in this mad effort to slander Eron at every opportunity. I wonder if it’s because the facts don’t support his viewpoint?

    • Matthew Long

      *slander* oh for sure, man

      • ArsVampyre

        Yes. In print it’s called ‘Libel’. Slander is for the spoken version. And yes, this is libel. It’s almost all demonstrably false.

        • Matthew Long

          If so, why hasn’t anyone been sued yet?

          • Live the dream

            eron doesn’t have money. Libel suits cost money

        • Calloway McSmithing

          Eron probably shouldn’t have been so excited to participate in this libel, then.

  • Snoopy

    Quite amazing that would someone would publish a conglomerate of long debunked lies in .. April 2015. LOL. Unbelievable.

    BTW: The only person who kept re-inserting herself over and over again into the #gamergate debate, was .. Zoe Quinn. (whose real name btw is Chelsea van Valkenburg, not that 1 more lie actually matters). The forseeable result: Lots of Patreon $$$. It’s all she ever wanted, it’s all she’ll ever get.

    • Sepko

      Breitbart is in that direction ===>

      • Kes

        Pointing to the right. I see what you did there. I seeee it.

      • throwaway66

        Its pretty sad that Milo’s reporting at Breitbart of all places manages to get the facts straight. While this magazine hasn’t got a clue.

        • Craig Brooks

          I absolutely LOVE how Goobergabbers are so in love with Milo, a guy who just months earlier was ripping on gamers worse than any of the articles. But whatever…go snuggle up with him. I’m sure he’ll surely not bite the hand that feeds him again, right?

      • gixxerharry .

        <===== for sencorship and discrimination

        • Sepko

          OH MY GOSH YOU POOR HONKY GAMERBABY BOYS I FEEL SO BAD

          :

          • Kes

            You stop sencoring them! You stoppit right meow!

          • gixxerharry .

            Dont feel bad….were are winning
            Please up your game

          • gixxerharry .

            Dont feel bad little man,we are wining as you know
            Please up your game

        • Kes

          Actually, in disqus, the flag icon is located upwardsly ^

      • Snoopy

        Interesting you mention Breitbart (by which you probably mean Breitbart London, and in particular M. Yiannopoulous) … It’s quite interesting that he was among the first who -actually- researched this issue and didn’t just copypaste carefully prepared bits and pieces of anti-GG propaganda.

        Besides its crucial influence on the installment and update of ethics policies in gaming journalism, #gamergate has managed to achieve a goal generations of media scholars and billions of dollars in support have failed at:
        To create a generation of young people who have a profound and sophisticated distrust in mainstream media reporting.

        Never before has the obvious truth been distorted and perverted right in front of the eyes of the audience, with everyone watching it happen in detail. Those academics, scholars, and cultural critics who have lamented the general populus’ inability to see through mainstream media lies for decades now, have someone who made all their hopes for a better informed public come true. #gamergate.

        • Cat Reid

          You literally have one single journalist that agrees with you. One who works for a widely discredited organization that is known primarily as totally corrupt, and a journo who is primarily known for writing petty hit pieces on people he dislikes.
          Congrats! Another win for GG!

          • Craig Brooks

            No, be fair…they have a number of “journalists” on their side, all right wing or libertarian, who say exactly what the GG crowd wants to hear and keep them coming back for more. Of course, nearly all of their favorites are also folks that are deplorable ethically themselves (take their god, Milo, who just 6 months earlier wrote against gamers himself, but who is now their poster child).

          • Live the dream

            is cathy young not a jounralist now?

        • Sepko

          I stopped at “actually researched” in relation to Milo to laugh in the other room.

        • Craig Brooks

          If you think Breitbart is truthful unbiased reporting, you need your head examined.

          • Bobby

            But all the extreme leftist media sites you love are unbiased and truthful right?

          • Craig Brooks

            The ones I follow are a helluva lot more center than Breitbart. BBC World, NPR, AL-Jazeera America. Breitbart is the Fox News of the web.

          • Bobby

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah they are so center…

          • Craig Brooks

            And Breitbart/Fox News is? Those are a helluva lot further into the right than all I listed combined are to the left.

            But whatever…go back and live in your little rightwing bubble and pretend that they’re preaching the truth, despite third party research has openly proved that places like Fox News lie more than report honestly.

          • Bobby

            Did you not just read my previous comment? “I’ll agree with you on one thing FAUX news is the worst”

            Fox sucks. Agreed. Breitbart is NOT even remotely like Fox.

          • Craig Brooks

            You miiiiight want to have another look at GG overall, bro.
            GG is so libertarian/Right wing, it’s nearly made it’s own separate political line.

            You can call yourself whatever you like. The group, overall, is righty.

          • Bobby

            Ok, it’s not though. And honestly, I’m not sure why you care?

            I have absolutely no inherent problem with conservatives or right wingers. If the group were right wing, it would not change a single thing about us.

          • Bobby

            I’ll agree with you on one thing FAUX news is the worst

          • Craig Brooks

            So you’re against Faux news, but Breitbart is truthful, honest reporting.

            Words fail me…*smh*

          • Bobby

            Fox isn’t Breitbart. They are different entities.

            You are quite possibly the least intelligent person I’ve encountered on the internet.

    • magic66

      the “lie” is for her protection, er…….Snoopy

      • Snoopy

        No, it’s not. “ZQ” frequently changes her name to hide from the consequences of her own crimes and from a past that will inevitably come to haunt her. People who personally know her have come forward with almost unbelievable stories about her, stories which nonetheless paint a VERY clear picture: Zoe Quinn has the personality of an intimate abuser. She is manipulative, and can become brutally violent if it suits her.

        Just ask professional photographer Mallorie Nasrallah, who hoped to get a photoshooting with “Locke Valentine”, which was Chelsea van Valkenburg’s fake name back then. Her detailed account of ZQ blows any victimhood narrative right out of the water…

        The truth:
        https://www.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152274324055882:0

        • domesticgoddess

          Yes, “the truth” linking to a FB article. you can do better now.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “We’re not obsessed with Zoe Quinn,” cries the manchild with a bucket load of fun facts about Zoe Quinn.

  • TheBrett

    Send him to prison, and put a years-long restriction on his access to the internet. He’s violated both the essence and letter of the law on it over and over again, and he’s still unrepentant about it. Worthless stalker boy.

    • throwaway66

      Mr. Gjoni is the victim of his abusive ex-partner and this hit piece.

      • Sepko

        Sure bud, whatever you say.

      • GP

        Eron, is that you?

      • Craig Brooks

        Victim? Please, enlighten me how he’s anything more than a rabble-rouser that got an entire group to gang up on the ex that slighted him.

      • TheBrett

        The only victim here is Quinn, at the hands of an abusive, obsessive stalker (Gjoni) determined to make her life hell. Jail time is what he deserves, and monitoring afterwards.

      • videmus

        Women can’t abuse men because abuse requires exploitation + power.
        Men monopolize all the positions of power in our world. Only men are capable of abuse.
        Zoe is the true victim.

    • Snoopy

      Yea damn these people who want to speak their mind and tell the truth.

  • GP

    Great piece. I think this article now stands as the definitive explanation of how Gamergate began. My genuine hope is that pieces like this will increase awareness of how little protection there is for people who are abused and victimized online and that the law needs to catch up ASAP.

    My only criticism is the framing of Anita Sarkeesian’s harassment. Though she never had an angry ex at the other end of the screen, she has been harassed and abused for several years now, not just in the wake of the initial Feminist Frequency videos.

    • Matthew Long

      Let’s not forget that “beat up sarkeesian” game

      • ZetaBlade

        Someone forgot about Jack Thompson being killed by players in Mortal Kombat.

        • Matthew Long

          So, what sort of game was Sarkeesian being lampooned in?

      • brando55

        it’s called “Fun for all ages”. Do you even game?

    • EnoughFish

      “Gamers are driving women out of gaming!” won’t ever be anything but yellow Journalism.

      The article even fails to accept Zoe Quinn is a domestic abuser who put a gagging order on her victim and gas-lighted the wife of one of the men she fucked.

      Other than the hyper-sensitive feminists who unconvincingly carp at GGers this article will be remembered as trash like all the trash from Gawker and Polygon.

      • Sepko

        “The article even fails to accept Zoe Quinn is a domestic abuser who put a gagging order on her victim and gas-lighted the wife of one of the men she fucked.”
        – [massive, MASSIVE citation needed]

      • Craig Brooks

        Really…How about the testimony of countless women who’ve dealt with abuse/harassment while just trying to game? Or the countless female game devs with horror stories from working in the field? But, hey, I’m sure they’re just making ally that up. The gaming community couldn’t possibly be toxic to women and do things like disregard their stories and voices…

        Oh wait…

      • GP

        “Hyper-sensitive” is rich from the “GAMERS AREN’T DEAD PAY ATTENTION TO US!” brigade.

        Also rich: you positing Quinn as a domestic abuser.

    • Derp

      What about people that are abused and victimized in real life, like the victim of intense mental abuse and gaslighting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

      By a person that cheated on him with at least two journalists, her married boss and several other people, some of which were in a relationship: https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

      A person that has proven to be a compulsive liar throughout all this: http://www.broteampill.com/forums/index.php?topic=4721.msg81555#msg81555

      Lying about a trip to Europe for instance that was planned long before The Zoe Post (for which not even this article is internally consistent on, once it says she was “fleeing”, the second times that she followed her boyfriend to France due to a job opportunity):
      http://i.imgur.com/A03hcU8.jpg

      Lied? about possibly stabbing a man in the past, lied about their birthday, lied to the press and even police and people like you are still defending.

      http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2014/10/04/zoe-quinns-lying-cheating-claim-stabbing-killing-man-alleged-former-photographer/

      • GP

        It’s funny because you see Quinn as an abusive gaslighter, and not the guy who intentionally lied about his relationship for revenge and then got told by a judge that his behaviour was so shitty it wasn’t freeze peach, but outright harassment and had a restraining order issued against him.

        “Shifting blame and responsibility” indeed.

        • Derp

          It’s funny, because one side has provided ample proof for their side of the story. The other has not, hasn’t denied any allegations (which have all proven to be true so far) and was found lying and backstabbing people countless times.

          • GP

            Ya…we don’t see the DARVO manifesto of some ragebomb as proof (especially since people have disproven etc.) But there we are.

  • JinSaotome

    Such yellow journalism , hnnngggghh! People should know that knows Zoe’s nude photos are on the net because she was paid to pose for them and agreed for them to be distributed online through pinup sites. I mean she was handed cold hard cash. And speaking of that what better way to get her flowing than articles like this? No mention of her and her army doxxing female devs/indie groups that disagreed with her. Oh no….that would be bad for the narrative. Any proof those threats came from a person from GamerGate? Any arrests? Assaults? No? Hmmm.. Follow the money. And the trail leads to the narrative Zoe is spinning. She’s a brilliant business woman, I’ll give her that. The money she’s raking in, wow.

    • Sepko

      “FOLLOW THE MONEY, IT’LL LEAD TO THE MASSIVE SJW CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA. THE SJWs ARE MAKING A GAMER KILLBOT TO DESTROY WHITE BOY GAMERS.
      FOLLOW THE MONEY”

      • Setheneran

        Do they mean the money gator heads are raising for their big video exposes? The money Milo got to write his book? The money Eron raised? Ah yes. That money. Wait, I think it points another way…..

      • domesticgoddess

        As a female game dev, all the conspiracies are right, I’m programming that killbot right now as we speak….

    • Craig Brooks

      Even if she was paid for them, how is that justification to use them against her as a weapon?

      • JinSaotome

        So you’re saying a women’s body is a weapon now? That she doesn’t have the right to pose nude, promote, and get paid for the pictures? That’s like an actress screaming that people are visually molesting her every time they watch her sex scene in a movie. Zoe took the initiative as a strong woman to show her body off without being ashamed. What right do you have to speak for her and turn her choice into a weapon? None.

    • John Timberly Crisp

      You know how hard it is to get arrested for posting threats online? The law has not kept up with technology and while threatening someone in person, over the telephone, or through the mail is a criminal offense, the anonymity of the Internet still shields those cowards. Also, did you miss the part where she has 16 gigs of threats saved? Or were you convenienently gliding past that?

      • JinSaotome

        I was convienently remembering that there’s not a single link to GamerGate in those 16 gigs. The internet is full of trolls and scum but GG isn’t part of that. We just want to expose the unethical actions of Zoe and people like her trying to push her narrative for control of a 9 billion dollar industry

  • J M

    They are both very terrible people. Eron can’t legally defend himself and overreacted about his SO cheating and Zoe will spread anything she can to stay iin the limelight for another minute because once this is all over shes back to obscurity. Send them both to a private island where they can continually talk crap about each other and lets move on.

    • Sepko

      Yes because the woman at the blunt end of an almost year-long harassment campaign is on the same level as her stalking crybaby of an ex.

      • J M

        A woman that is no angel herself. Others she had worked with were coming out of the woodwork to back up that she was a bad person. Shit happens. If you cheat on someone then you have to expect that a hurt person is going to retaliate. PLus ZQ is like the perfect storm of internet hatred. The same time thaat this story was breaking, the story of her having a charity shut down was coming out, The story of her using her harassment of male virgins to promote her game was coming out, and her using Robin williams death to promote her games wwas coming out. People cheat everyday and don’t get the response she did so there has to be more to it than Hurr durr she woman, must hate. You can still be a bad person and a woman, feminists fought for that right but now they try to use I’m a helpless female protect me to deflect poor life choices.

      • Snoopy

        Blunt end? The 4000$$$ a month for nothing Patreon blunt end?

    • Craig Brooks

      Yes, because she wants to continue being harassed and maligned by every GGer out there (despite it “not being about her/B. Wu/Anita S/Randi H/SRH/etc etc*). So much so that she started a non-profit to try to help others in similar situations.

      • J M

        She started the non profit to capitalize on her new found fame. She doesn’t give a crap about any of you people. Look at her history before all this, she was involved in all the same things she’s whining about now.

      • TombaHat

        https://www.patreon.com/zoe
        Look at how much money she makes from being harassed! I wouldn’t want to stop being harassed either

        • J M

          Being hated is better than being unknown when you’re a celebrity.

      • Snoopy

        I think the English have a saying for that.
        It’s “putting the fox in charge of the henhouse”.

      • TombaHat

        Brianna, randi, and Zoe all actively bullied and insulted people then cried when they got insults flung back at them, anita doesn’t insult but she and Mcintosh certainly try to instigate

        • Craig Brooks

          I follow all of the above and that is a deluded take on all mentioned. Majority of the time, Zoe is posting about day to day stuff and not engaging. Brianna does engage at times, but she received it first. Randi barely engages and has mostly been getting dumped on by GG for the GG auto blocker, which you all INSIST is censorship, despite that not being the definition of said word at all. And Anita and McIntosh don’t instigate, they’re pointing out the issues in gaming and the gaming culture, which GG TAKES as instigating rather than taking those points and taking half a second to be introspective on them. Much like the “Gamers are dead” articles, had people taken the time to read and think about them, we’d all be better off, but I guess it’s much easier to just RAGGGGGGE.

          • Snoopy

            It was Randi Harper’s splendid idea to fantasize about making her blacklist (which it was explictely called back then) into an “industry blacklist”, alongside which gamergaters could be not hired + fired for their association with the tag.

            She wanted the attention, she got it. Fired from her job, unemployable, morbidly obese, and lives of patreon$. It’s fair to say she didn’t play the victim violine as well as Annie or Brianna.

          • domesticgoddess

            I love you Craig, thank you for sticking up for us wonderful lady game devs.

          • Smazeli

            Minor corrections, Brianna Wu first started getting tweets from GG after she made up a series of meme images mocking them. It’s been a back and forth ever since.

            Anyway, the main reason why Quinn and Wu are being accused of co-opting harassment is based on their actions. To date, a number of experts in and out of law enforcement who have a history of dealing with online threats have given them the same advice:

            1) If you receive hateful or threatening messages, DO NOT PUBLICLY COMMENT ON IT. 99% of these trolls want attention and to solicit reactions, and publicly reacting causes more of the same.

            2) Quietly report any serious threats to the authorities, along with all accompanying info.

            To date, Quinn and Brianna Wu have received these types of emails on a daily basis, They talk about them, build them up to be monsters, which is usually when they get a spike in tweets from GG. However, none of the death threats have been reported to the police, and they seem to have no interest in aiding any sort of investigation. I asked Quinn if the police were looking into her attackers and she blocked me.

            Some of their supporters have even asked them to at least name and shame the people sending them death threats. No dice, they both remain fixated in a weird state of promoting their toxic messages while protecting their identities. Seriously, why keep these losers hidden?

            It’s frustrating, because there is a real course of action they could be taking to put an end to their harassment, and they seem to be doing the opposite.

            By contrast, compare Quinn’s situation to that of Nathan Grayson, the Kotaku reporter whom she had a relationship with while he was covering her games. When the news first dropped, he got a ton of shit on social media accusing him of violating journalistic practices. But he ignored all of it, and wouldn’t talk to the press about it. And within a few weeks the twitter harassment stopped. Kotaku later admitted wrongdoing in their failure to professionally distance themselves from indie developers the same way they do AAA developers.

          • Craig Brooks

            Wrong, multiple have been reported and they’ve shared the reports. I know Randi H has shared multiple and still got Swatted.

            And not engaging is one thing, but getting these day after day, week after week, I can’t blame them for speaking out. It’s easy to tell the target of abuse to “just shut up and don’t speak out about it. That’s the attention they want.” YOU try it.

            And you contradict yourself in the response. You say they shouldn’t engage or bring it up, then fault them for not naming names publicly. Which is it?

          • Smazeli

            Could you link me to some of the police reports that Quinn and Brianna have filed against those emailing them death threats? They claim to get a ton, but have only specifically spoken out against postings that were already public, regardless of whether it was sent to them or not (like that youtube guy that said he wanted to kill Brianna Wu, 50 Cent, and Mrs Claus with a bb gun)

            “And not engaging is one thing, but getting these day after day, week after week, I can’t blame them for speaking out. It’s easy to tell the target of abuse to “just shut up and don’t speak out about it. That’s the attention they want.” YOU try it.”

            I have. When I was an admin of a video game forum I got plenty of threats over the dumbest stuff imaginable. One guy threatened to asphxiate my newborn son because he got banned. From an internet message board

            Their only goal is to intimidate and get attention. When you refuse to give into their implicit demands and ignore them, they get bored and move on. Which is why I never heard back from any of them, they only wanted validation. And Quinn and Brianna provide validation in spades, how can one NOT get an ego boost by being described as an ongoing scourge of the net?

            “And you contradict yourself in the response. You say they shouldn’t engage or bring it up, then fault them for not naming names publicly. Which is it?”

            Either one, since either one of these actions would be a more productive step against the harassment they’ve been getting. If they’re not willing to do one, then do the other. Instead they’ve opted to promote their threats while shielding them from any accountability.

  • Sepko

    My god the amount of honky-mayo gater trash in these comments is hilarious.
    Why you all so mad? Why are you allergic to your own history? Stand up, be proud gamergate! You helped out this one sad stalker guy get revenge on this girl and completely ruin her life because reasons! Yay.

    • SecretAgentHulk

      Yer doin’ the Lord’s work, Sepko.

      • videmus

        Right on, SecretAgentHulk, and high five to Sepko! These gater goons are really just too stupid to realize that their movement was over when harassing tweets started to fly. If this goes on any further someone will get hurt like when #blacklivesmatter caused the murder of two NYPD cops, which by the way began as an anti-cop movement not unlike how gg started as an anti-woman movement. Any moment now I expect gaters to start fights and destroying things like in Baltimore. How can they not understand that protest groups are responsible for the actions of everyone? It’s beyond my imagination. We should all be worried, and we should all work to put a stop to these disingenuous movements that carry out violence.

        • SecretAgentHulk

          How you can be against GamerGate but pro-police (in antithesis to pro-black people) is beyond me.

          • videmus

            Gamergate sent harassing tweets to Ms. Quinn, and #blacklivesmatter burned businesses and killed two police officers (and tried to kill 2 more in Ferguson). These movements are collectively responsible for what happens.

          • SecretAgentHulk

            The rioters in Baltimore are distinct from the peaceful protestors, something GG cannot claim by virtue of its lack of organization. #BlackLivesMatter is not any more responsible for violence than Quinn is.

    • Snoopy

      When in the history of the internet did people need a hashtag, or a reason, to harrass someone? Never. #Gamergate isn’t about ZQ and her STD laden bedroom antics. Never was.

      • PAZ

        … Explain plese the genesis of the tag, please..?

        • Bee Dubya

          Here you go idiot – dont insult your audience or they might get pissed off. Shocking, huh?

        • Snoopy

          Go back to #Gamergate Tweet #000000001, by Adam Baldwin, linking to 2 youtube videos criticising the cover up/censoring of the debate about the implications of game journos being involved.

          • facefault

            Videos about Zoe Quinn, complaining that moderators deleted threads posting her personal information. Nothing whatsoever to do with “games journalism.”

            Also, forum moderation =/= censorship. You don’t have a right to post whatever you want on a privately run forum. This is for the same reason you don’t have the right to paint whatever you want on a privately owned house’s walls.

          • Snoopy

            1) 2 x 20minutes to complain about the removal of personal info? Yup, sounds legit.

            2) A public forum is like a house wall. Got it.

          • videogamep

            Forums aren’t public. The data is stored on privately owned servers and the bandwidth is paid for by a private company. They have no obligation to host content they don’t like.

    • Joseph T.

      Me, honky-mayo, top fucking kek.

  • Sarcasm

    oh, gosh, thank you for writing such an enlightening piece. eron is incredibly creepy, and quite the monster.

    • Bee Dubya

      The fem-super creep did him.. She also stabbed a rapist in the face. Oh wait – she was just lying then.

      • Sarcasm

        thank you for continued dedication to gamergate never making any sense. “top kek,” my man.

        • Bee Dubya

          Not problem – keep supporting bloated losers :)

          • Sarcasm

            right ebin may may back at you.

  • Ethics Auditor

    Hearing & reading a lot of unsubstantiated and unrelated stuff here – anyone interested in learning what #GamerGate is about: http://imgur.com/5vvYiYv and a quick video to check: https://youtu.be/ipcWm4B3EU4

  • Gael Laurent

    OMG, is this written by Zoe Quinn’s lawyer ?

    • Joseph T.

      It certainly sounds like it. Well written article that conveys the message that it intends to send, I must admit.

      • Snoopy

        It’s a carefully constructed piece of propaganda. It’s a pity the defamation laws in the US are so dysfunctional. In other countries, he could’ve sued the several “news outlets” for millions and he’d be a rich man today.

        • Dragon_2

          LOL xD This about the most sue-happy country in the fcking world.

          • Snoopy

            Doesn’t help if the law protects even the most obnoxious liars spreading their poison.

          • Dragon_2

            What, like Eron Gjoni and gamergate?

  • Sarcasm

    yes, classic gamergate zinger. “this youtube will help you see correctly.”

    • Joseph T.

      Classic anti-GamerGate tactic: “No, I won’t discuss any opposing view!”

      • Sarcasm

        the inability of gamergate to distill their, and I use this term extremely lightly, “facts”

      • Craig Brooks

        Classic GG tactic: Sea Lion.

      • SecretAgentHulk

        Classic Gator tactic: “Allow me to spend five hours rebutting this five-minute video!”

        • Snoopy

          Why is that a bad thing? Mainstream media is doing the “Gish Gallopp”, which by definition requires a lot of time refuting each single lie.

  • PAZ

    When I emailed him recently, Gjoni said he’d been having second thoughts. “I don’t know that I’ll publish it anymore,” he wrote. “I’m finding it increasingly difficult to be concerned about people who think I’m a monster. Which is wrong of me, I know. But the last eight months have been taxing. I just want to code, and hang out with my friends and my girlfriend, and I guess just hope people figure it out on their own.”
    Still, he wishes he’d put even more detail into “The Zoe Post.” “I was too much of a wuss,” he wrote, “to not say everything I should have said.”

    This guy scares me. And the GamerGate people see him like a kind of Patron Saint.

    I believe that says it all about this “movement”

    • Sarcasm

      yup. prepare yourself for disapproving Gators explaining it is not an organized movement, but a spontaneous combustion of consumer revolt sparked by sex shaming and 4chan troll raids.

      • PAZ

        … Help!

        And somebody please explain me why, if GamerGate is about ethics in game journalism, they still defend this creepy guy…

        • Snoopy

          Well, THAT’S easy. Because he’s still being used as a catalyser for the false narrative that #GG is somehow about “driving women out of gaming..or game development..or”, well, whatever an SJW agitator says today”.

          Bullying him for being the victim of a relentless abuser is anti-GG’s original sin.

    • Bee Dubya

      “Scared me” – raising the threat narrative.. Typical…

      • PAZ

        Yep. He scares me. This is a genuine emotion born from reading this article. It’s not about “narrative” or else. This is something visceral.

        • Bee Dubya

          Then stay in a room and dont come out. Pathetic.

          • J Ryan

            Says someone from a movement that is still whining about Leigh Alexanders article.

            funny how everyone but you needs to grow a thicker skin.

          • Snoopy

            Whining? About “I AM GAMES JOURNALISM” Leigh Alexander?

            I praise the ground she’s walking on. If it weren’t for her alcohol fuelled hate speech antics, our email campaigns wouldn’t have been as successfull as they were.

            I love her. Totally. Bring her back from that #Offworld outpost dead end and let her write whatever she likes.

          • Matthew Long

            *hate speech*. oh cry me a river of gamer tears

          • Bee Dubya

            Who? Another squid in stretch pants? Look at that bloated blue whale you are defending.

    • Snoopy

      $5 say 80% of today’s GGers have no clue who Eron is. Probably wouldn’t care anyway. Why would they? We’ve got a dragon to slay.

    • H. Guderian

      Check any source of GG news like Kotaku in Action on Reddit, or the 8chan threads. Eron only came up recently because of this hitpiece. He’s no saint by any side’s standards.

      • Matthew Long

        Oh, 8chan, you say? The very same place where child pornography is hosted? where Neo-Nazi’s hangout? Where the founder wrote an article for a neo-nazi website?

        • Smazeli

          No. 8chan does not allow child pornography. It also doesn’t ban people for having offensive opinions.

    • Hessmix

      Patron saint….AHAHAHAHAHA

      he’s an admitted Social Justice type. We hate his political views.

      • PAZ

        “We” who..?

        • Proto Man

          Don’t you know? We, Gamergate!

          We don’t hate women. That’s those other guys that say they’re us, but they’re not us.

          We don’t send death threats. Those are fakers using our name, probably anti-GamerGaters trying to make us look bad

          We don’t like Eron Gjoni, that’s some other group that called him their pope.

          We’re the actual Gamergate. We’re different.

          *proceeds to sniff own farts for half an hour*

  • Jamison Pridgen

    Not the worst article. At least it’s thorough and presents some semblance of both sides, albeit heavily skewed. I don’t really care about Zoe, she can continue to do whatever it is she does. Gamergate long since moved past her and Eron, so an article about Gamergate focusing on her being a victim will only invite people with a personal grudge against her. So enjoy the slapfight in comments.

    • Bee Dubya

      The way it looks, she is on her way to exploding.

    • Sarcasm

      how has a movement that still uses a moniker coined about Eron and Zoe break up distanced itself from that sex shaming genesis?

      • Jamison Pridgen

        What Moniker? GamerGate? It’s catchy, is a good acronym, and was coined by Baldwin about the ethical concerns of a journalist and a game developer being in a relationship and the journalist providing unwarranted and undisclosed coverage.

        Even if the initial accusation was incorrect, and I don’t know or care if it was, what was spawned is much bigger than whatever they did/were doing. Movements don’t last 8 + months because they hate two individuals, that’s just wishful thinking my sarcastic friend.

        • Sarcasm

          Eron’s wishful thinking for sure.

        • facefault

          >Even if the initial accusation was incorrect, and I don’t know or care if it was,

          This is why everyone laughs at you when you try to tell them you care about ethics.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            lol, I don’t care if the tiny group of ideological opponents to gamergate “laugh when I tell them I care about ethics”. Those people live for conflict and abuse.

          • Sarcasm

            I noticed you didn’t actually offer anything about #gamergate distancing itself from a sex scandal it was named after.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            …it just…marched forward? As things tend to do with time? Uncovered bigger issues to focus on? How did World War I distance itself from Franz Ferdinand? Time happened and bigger events took place, doesn’t change what the catalyst was.

          • Sarcasm

            oh, so those that still rage on about zoe are just like lost Japanese soldiers just carrying on in the name of the emperor Eron? there’s an awful lot of them.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            Yeah, they need to get a life.

          • Sarcasm

            yes, #gamergate needs to get a life.

          • Korg

            The fact that you think Gamergate started from TheZoePost and not the dozen articles declaring that “Gamers are Dead” and “Gamers Don’t Have to Be Your Audience” in the days following it proves you really don’t have a grasp on the facts. The battle lines were drawn then – the establishment dismissed gamers as socially awkward basement dwelling virgins because they were concerned someone might have traded sex for positive reviews, gamers responded by demanding basic standards of disclosure and ethics from their media. Gamers were offended by the constant insults and accusations of racism, misogyny, and xenophobia, and many of them have revolted against the yoke of political correctness. Thus Gamergate was born, a leaderless, amorphous, unstoppable juggernaut of culture. We are here to fact check you, and make sure everything is on the up and up. Boston Magazine? Liars.

            .If I had to offer a theory it would be that you in fact are not a gamer at all, have no vested interest in the sub-culture, and don’t really know anything about it at all. That’s why it’s so easy for you to be completely wrong about something, yet be utterly convinced you are completely right about it. Sociologists refer to this phenomenona “psuedo-certainty”.

          • facefault

            Everyone outside GamerGate thinks your little movement is disgusting. This includes the vast majority of gamers.

            A great illustration of this happened in the science fiction community recently. Vox Day, a man known for arguing that acid attacks against women are justified, used a voting slate to get a bunch of books nominated for Hugo Awards. He got a small number of people from GG to help in this project.

            GG’s reputation is so bad that many commenters opposed to Vox Day called this out.

            People are so repulsed by you that associating with you makes the guy who thinks women shouldn’t be allowed to vote look worse.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            My friend uses the same verbage when he’s insecure about something. “everyone disagrees with you!” “People are repulsed!” The same is said about SJWS. “They’re a tiny repulsive minority. The silent majority disagrees and are repulsed by you.” Yada yada yada.

            I’m well aware of the Hugo Awards drama; and Vox Day’s reputation in that community is already what it is. Him being associated with GamerGate brings GamerGate down, not vice versa.

          • Snoopy

            Except GG helped #sadpuppies, which belongs to Larry Correia, and not Vox Day’s #rabidpuppies. But don’t let the facts interrupt your narrative.

          • facefault

            If you’re going to lie, make it harder to debunk. It’s easy to find GG supporters endorsing Rabid Puppies right now.

            https://twitter.com/search?q=rabid%20puppies%20%23gamergate&src=typd

          • Snoopy

            Some dumb bells made the very same mistake YOU made = not knowing that the 2 are different. Proof? Here it is:

            https://twitter.com/iSamurai/status/587456958166388738
            https://twitter.com/zipspree/status/587443371444203521
            =
            “#GameOfThronesAuthor Denounces #Gamergate And Rabid Puppies”
            vs.
            “Game Of Thrones author denounces #GamerGate & #SadPuppies ”

            — > Get it now? Or wanna keep on lying?

            Here’s what GG ACTUALLY thinks about Vox Day
            —-
            “Everything else aside, I don’t understand why @davidpakmanshow tagged the Vox Day interview as #GamerGate when it had nothing to do with it”
            -> https://twitter.com/JennyOHenry/status/591961737265598466

            “Writer friend: “You in #gamergate need to diassociate from Vox Day.”
            Me: “LOL!! He’s one of yours pal, I didn’t know who he was a week ago.””
            -> https://twitter.com/Meteoryan/status/591892532407111680

            “@BasteKnight @DakotaTheMad Actually, I think what people were saying is that #Gamergate does not support Vox Day’s views. Which it doesn’t.”
            -> https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/591794425027829760

            Your choice. Straighten up or keep peddling your leftist lies.

          • Matthew Long

            Hold on – you speak for GG?

          • Snoopy

            Haven’t you been told? I’m the leader of #gamergate

          • J Ryan

            Gamergate is a hashtag movement, anyone who wants to claim they’re in GG are in GG. Here’s VoxDay talking for gamergate with plenty of cheering on from toher GGers in the comments.

          • Snoopy

            Hahaha. Sure. So even false-flagging anti-GGs are now “part of gamergate”, because they momentarily claim to be? GTFO.

            Here’s how it actually works:
            If you IDENTIFY with GG’s goals – welcome to the ride. Doesn’t mean we share your opinions on ANYTHING else. We don’t have to.

            So if Vox Day wants to fight corruption in games journalism, or journalism in general, I welcome him to do it. He’s welcome to use the tag. Ask me about his opinions on other matters, and you’ll get an entirely different answer from me.

            And that’s all there is to say about it

          • Matthew Long

            ah, that familiar conspiratorial term – ‘false flag’ – rears its ugly, tin-foil hat wearing head.

          • Dragon_2

            And who defines those goals? There’s no ‘we’, only a bunch of individuals with no organisation. That’s why VoxDay is just as much the ‘voice of GG’ as you are.

          • Jimm Russla

            And who is “everyone,” exactly? A funny thing about you SJWs is that you think far more people are on your side than there actually are. Which is why 90% of people polled believe in equality, but only 18% identify as feminists.

          • facefault

            Actually, that’s a great illustration!

            You may have heard about how support for “The Affordable Care Act” and “Obamacare” is very low… but people in polls actually support everything the ACA does. They have negative associations with the name, but support everything it actually does.
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/republicans-support-obamas-health-reforms–as-long-as-his-name-isnt-on-them/2012/06/25/gJQAq7E51V_blog.html

            Feminism’s exactly like that. The vast majority of Americans support equal pay for equal work, better enforcement of rape and sexual harassment laws, and everything else that feminists agree on. (I’ll skip the issues feminists don’t agree on for now). They just don’t like the word “feminism,” because social conservatives have successfully disassociated the word from the actions.

      • H. Guderian

        Wasn’t Gamergate coined due to Quinn and Greyson’s undisclosed relationship? Kinda was. Eron has little to do with it except pointing out it exists.

        • GP

          You mean passing off his paranoia about his partner cheating as proof of an undisclosed relationship as proof as collusion between a journalist and an unknown indie dev? If you want to claim otherwise, receipts, plz.

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is what censorship does to you, nothing you said was accurate, even Internet Aristocrat gets this right in his first video…I mean seriously now. Undisclosed relationships were a thing, and a problem.

            Its funny but I don’t think you’d call a woman who had a guy step out on her 5 times and admitted it “paranoid”.

          • GP

            Go get me the proof she stepped out on him 5 times. Bring it here.

          • Smazeli

            It’s not so much “his paranoia” that acts as proof, so much as it is the chatlogs and Zoe’s admission, and the admission of her former boyfriends, and Kotaku’s admission of disclosure errors.

            Weird how none of this got into the article.

          • GP

            Go get them, then.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      “Gamergate long since moved past her and Eron.”

      Lol have you seen this comment section?

      • Sarcasm

        or the hashtag on Twitter?

      • Jamison Pridgen

        ” so an article about Gamergate focusing on her being a victim will only invite people with a personal grudge against her. So enjoy the slapfight in comments.”

      • Young Yurk

        Yea. it’s filled with people like you trying to defend an abuser. And this article is clearly about Zoe Quinn, so please, tell me what else are people supposed to talk about? Nice logic (sarcasm).

        • Calloway McSmithing

          If you don’t care about Quinn, don’t read the article. If you don’t care about Quinn, don’t post.

          “We don’t care about Zoe Quinn!” says the guy who can’t stop talking about Zoe Quinn.

          • Smazeli

            It’s great isn’t it? If someone lies about you on the internet, any effort to defend yourself amounts to a creepy obsession.

            Look it’s different when the writer of the article does it. His knowledge of Quinn amounts to “expertise”, whereas anyone else’s amounts to “stalking”. ESPECIALLY IF they uncover facts that showcase Quinn’s long history of fabricating elaborate stories to garner sympathy.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL the reverse logic here is astounding. I’m not the one who has been riding her in a vein attempt to get laid here for 9 months. That’s you. GG has dealt with a whole host of issues, you on the other hand have had one goal, Quinn’s pants, and you still haven’t come any closer, she probably doesn’t even know who you are.

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      “Both sides”

      I’ve struck bingo!

      • Young Yurk

        There are two sides. You guys act like the majority of people support the people who stand against gamergate. Hint: They don’t, in fact it’s 40 in favor for every 1 against. Even most neutrals lean toward gamergate so….

        • Matthew Long

          orly?

          • Young Yurk

            lol look, it’s Matthew, here to tell me more about how shit your friends are to women?

        • petty_patrol_tengu

          [This is what GG actually believes]

          • Young Yurk

            G8B8M8

          • Young Yurk

            LOL the cringe of tumblrinas trying to imitate South Park

  • ArsVampyre

    Almost nothing in this article is truthful; most of it’s been actively discredited with information. No doubt the author is a personal friend of Quinn’s, doing her a solid, and never actually spoke to anyone else or has completely mischaractarized what was said.

    Whatever Mr. Gonji might be, I doubt he’s stupid enough to admit that he wrote ‘The Zoe Post’ specifically to incite harassment. How anyone who isn’t a zealot could possibly believe that happened without independent verification is beyond reason.

    If Gonji wants to admit himself that it was his purpose, fine. Otherwise, I will believe it’s as honest as the other disreputable characterizations which have been proven, time and again, to be false.

    Quinn may have been harassed, but that doesn’t come from Gamergate, and no evidence of such has ever been presented outside of people asserting it. Assertions are not evidence, and assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    • Sarcasm

      “actively discredited with information” is my new favorite lie.

      • Kes

        I like: “Quinn may have been harassed, but that doesn’t come from Gamergate.”

        • Frieda

          “It’s definitely all third-party trolls. Except for the ones targeted at GG’ers. Those are definitely real.”

          • Kes

            “/baphomet/? I’ve literally never heard of it.”

          • Frieda

            “Developers knowing each other is the most serious ethical issue in the gaming industry.”

          • Kes

            It’s collusion all the way down.

          • Smazeli

            Who are you quoting?

        • H. Guderian

          The harassment you refer to began before the term was even coined. her friends also post tweets offering DLC codes to post “harassment” in the current GG hashtag to help keep their narrative up.

          • Kes

            Even a broken clock… You are correct, online harassment of women in general and Zoe and Anita in particular does indeed pre-date the coining of a certain campaign about ethics. Prior to Aug ’14, we didn’t have a name for those types, but the Lesser Baldwin saw our great need and, in his wisdom, provided. Well done you!

          • H. Guderian

            And studies show men are harassed, if not more, than women, online. Wouldn’t want research to disturb this narrative your cronies have going.

          • Matthew Long

            Who does the harassing? Where are these studies? Link them.

        • Young Yurk

          Actually, out of all the times she’s been mentioned by GG, less then 5% was abusive. Funny how you guys seem more obsessed with Quinn then GamerGate is. Next?

      • Korg

        Care to elaborate? Or is this just a statement that you think that facts aren’t important?

        For example: Eron was involved in the release of Zoe Quinn’s nude modeling photos – true or false?

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      It is incredible how Gamergate has constructed such a complex narrative around the issue. This itself is worthy of its own book, much less another article.

      • Calloway McSmithing

        You’ll be glad to know that as we speak Milo is slowly pushing a book about Gamergate and will be crapping it onto shelves any day now!

    • Calloway McSmithing

      Eron gives multiple interviews for an article. Is quoted in numerous place saying gross things.

      Gamergate, “THIS ARTICLE IS FILLED WITH LIES AND LIBEL!”

      • Smazeli

        Is that a real quote or something you made up? Man, I have no idea why they’d be worried about lies.

  • Korg

    I just wanted to note that this article has shattered any remaining faith I had in mainstream journalism. I’m not sure if the author knows they are lying, or if they have been deceived somehow, but for the love of god, this is just awful.

    “So-called ethics”? HA! Do people still wonder why Gamergate exists? Well, that’s why. In the author’s mind ethics themselves are a strange concept they don’t understand. When Gamergate discussion is banned on certain message boards, the mods flag use of the word “ethics” as a way to identify posts by GG supporters. Ironic that a misogynist hate mob seems so intent on something other than “women in gaming”.

    Mom was right -“when someone shows you who they are, believe them”. Boston Magazine, I believe you. You’re liars.

    • facefault

      Hm, whose conclusion should I trust: the one Boston Magazine, The New York Times, the Washington Post, and The Guardian came to after careful investigation?

      Or that of “Korg,” who tells us in his first post ever that hearing things he disagrees with has destroyed his faith in journalism?

      • Korg

        You certianly shouldn’t trust Boston Magazine. If you trusted Boston Magazine, you would think that Brianna Wu was threatened by a scary GamerGate supporter instead of a performance artist who claimed she had tried to assasinate him by sabotaging his mother’s Prius after backing out of their GamerGate street-racing match.

        https://archive.is/v4erW

        If you trusted Boston Magazine, you might think that Eron was somehow involved in Quinn’s nude modeling pictures being released. You might think Quinn was harrased by Wizardchan, and probably don’t know that she is not actually a highly regarded game developer at all, but instead has a absolutely terrible reputation as a chronic liar.

        If Boston Magazine is so trustworthy, why do you believe things that aren’t true after reading their articles?

        • Matthew Long

          Name me a publication you trust.

          • Korg

            I trust an aggregation of 20 Google searches from every side of the issue. Young Turks, Dan Carlin, Media Matters, Breitbart UK, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hedges, The Baffler, Russia Today, Vice, Al Jazeera, Cop Watch, AdBusters, Raw Story (on the fence the last few years, gone downhill), Brad Blog, Daily Kos, Sargon of Akkad, That Guy T, and a ton of Google News.

            Just yesterday I read a news blurb and cross reference it with 10 articles and five message boards before I felt like I had a handle on it and posted about it. That’s a pretty much daily occurrence.

          • petty_patrol_tengu

            Reddit, I’m sure. But only if it’s boards he likes!

        • petty_patrol_tengu

          Archive.is link. If you came here expected to be taken seriously then you have made a serious mistake. Go back to /gamergate/ and go look at some Vivian James porn, the adults are talking.

          • Korg

            I don’t get it. Are you trying to be funny?

            What’s wrong with what I posted?

          • Shucky Ducky

            Only thing wrong is that you aren’t their gamerghazi friend.

          • hams

            It’s trash and you seem to think if you pile it high enough it will amount to something.

      • Bill

        That’s the trouble with trying to bring attention to journalistic failings. They are the ones reporting on those trying to expose them. And surprise, surprise they support the narrative that they never do anything wrong and those speaking out are evil etc. Gamergate has not been going on for 8 months to harass a woman or women in games.

        • facefault

          You’re performing a neat rhetorical trick here, which is to pretend that sources GG has accused of bias against them are unreliable.

          The problem is that GG claims every single news source that has investigated them is biased against them.

          http://i.imgur.com/8g0K2f1.png

          • Young Yurk

            Considering there are news sources that have done the same and came out with favorable results for gamergate? How do you hipsters still exist? Are you really so bored that you ignored every piece of evidence and logic and still act like GamerGate is the hate group? You guys are cute, probably like the majority of Anti-GG, fat middle aged white men with blogs.

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is why you are so easily led.
            All roads lead back to the same corrupt sources for those stories. They are not separate pieces, just paraphrasing of lies which they expect no one to check.

            Its just sad you have people defend such poor practices as if it were a righteous thing to do, I’ve never seen people work this hard to protect corporate malfeasance.

          • facefault

            If that were true, you could show me the sources for those stories. Instead, you link an hour-long video about anchors using the same wording to describe a completely unrelated story.

            Please consider the possibility that all the journalists who looked into GG independently found the same behavior. I’m sure you’ve seen Jesse Singal’s attempt to engage with GG before, but please read it. It’s pretty much what I (a non-journalist) saw in September. It’s the same thing everyone who tries to engage with your movement sees.
            http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/10/gamergate-should-stop-lying-to-itself.html

            You can claim to be a brave independent thinker all you want, while parroting talking points and using a motherfucking Vivian James avatar. But people look at your actions, not just your words. GG’s actions show that they’re obsessed with Zoe Quinn, used to be mostly about harassing women, and are now mostly about trying to convince people they never harassed women.

            I mean, like a third of the comments you’ve ever made under your current account are on this thread. And you seriously expect people to believe you when you say you think Zoe Quinn is irrelevant to GG.

      • Young Yurk

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, trust the media, everything they tell you is 100% accurate and not from the same damn source. Get the hell outta here dude.

        • J Ryan

          But breitbart, reaxxion… yeah they’re trustworthy aren’t they. Lord you lot are laughable.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL aww did breitbart hurt your feelings with reality? Poor baby :'(. It’s more than that BTW, escapist, the independent, and numerous others. So…

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is sjw in action,who is talking is what matters, what they are saying doesn’t need to be checked depending on your allegiance and bias. Sorry but whether you like it or not those sites managed to produce worthy stories while your side has spent its time writing up “poor zoe” pieces and anti gg pieces with countless factual innacuracies…to the point where you just might as well call most of these articles short form fiction, not journalism.

    • Calloway McSmithing

      You seem desperately confused by how words work.

      • Korg

        Is this just the way things go in the comments here? It must be some kind of cultural Boston thing I’m not picking up on or something.

        Is that a thing in Boston, you guys make vague insults and then bounce? It’s happened like 300 times in this comments section. I thought you all were tougher than that. How’s about you reff-you-tate some of my points. What’s the matter, you yella?

        • hams

          It’s funny that you think your comments deserve more than 30 seconds of attention. There’s nothing to refute in your post because you barely said anything of substance. Mainly you just called the author a liar without any proof. (can you prove that the author didn’t interview Gonad and that he didn’t say those things?)

          I would consider very carefully what you are showing everyone else about who you are.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “Youse Bostonians ain’t so tuff,” he said while hiding under his mattress and remembering the fond words his mother said to him when she called him her special boy.

  • Chris Losey

    I must be the only gamer in the world who just plays the games and doesn’t give two fucks who’s making the game or who has what genitalia…

    • H. Guderian

      The problem in the indie scene is that who gets coverage in the press can make or break small projects, who may later become people making the other games you enjoy. Having people promote their friends without disclosure will lead to several problems in the future.

      I don’t game often, but I do care if the system that makes my games becomes rigged by a small circle.

      • HobokenGary

        Getting to know the press who covers any creative industry scene is part of being an indie creator. Indie bands get to know writers for indie music blogs, indie comics artists schmooze with who covers that scene, indie film makers make contacts with film reporters. Self promotion is part of the job description. If your issue is that some folks are better at it then others, well, whos fault is that? I don’t care if you make the best widget on the planet, if you don’t tell anyone, you don’t get to be pissed that no one noticed.

        • Shucky Ducky

          Yes, who cares if there are casting couches, may the riches go to those who want it the most right?
          Sorry no, standards must always apply. Friends helping friends eventually becomes corruption and payola.

          • HobokenGary

            Where are you getting casting couches from?

            I don’t think you know what corruption and payola mean.

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      No, you are far from alone. Gamergate is a small but incredibly vocal minority.

      • Live the dream

        gamergate doesn’t care about the genitalia of the person making a game. That is why there is no mention of hating people say the developers of seed scape or city skylines being harassed by gamergate. If some women are mocked and other women not mocked how can you conclude that its the genitalia that is the reason for the mocking?

  • Frieda

    It’s funny how incredibly thoroughly GG will scrutinize even the simplest statement from one of its targets, even when backed up by solid evidence, screenshots, police reports, etc, and every single time come to the conclusion that it’s all some big conspiracy. But when some dude comes out with bitter unsubstantiated claims about his ex girlfriend? “Seems legit.”

    • Kes

      How can you not be convinced yet? Here, lemme show you this blurry twitpic of an infographic with red MS paint lines all over it. Are you convinced now? *Why not!*?!

      • videmus

        Isn’t it incredible? I can’t believe the Gaters are still denying their involvement in all this. I mean, when Palin and her daughter received death threats we all knew they came from misogynistic Democrats who hate her as a woman trying to make it in politics, yet now we’re supposed to believe this conspiracy theory that “other people” were involved in the harassment of the lovely Ms. Quinn. Give us a break, it’s obvious who’s responsible. GGers should be ashamed.

        • William Burr

          You folks are willing to walk an awful long walk to disbelieve a person’s very-well annotated story of being abused.

    • H. Guderian

      What Eron said in particular about his ex really isn’t the issue. There was a claim early on that she slept around for coverage, which was debunked. However, the web of connections and journalistic ties -did- still hold up. And that she was friends and that man from Kotaku was also in the game’s credits which he failed to disclose their relationship.

      Instead of simply fessing up that there had been some disclosure issues, Quinn and her Goons went on the attack as they so love to do, then played victim when it suited them.

      • Matthew Long

        I’d like to try out that game she made. How much does it cost? I got my wallet out.

        • H. Guderian

          Listen Captain Troll, who just joined today to troll this. Your types are what causes nothing to get done on the internet. Go buy your friend’s free game, and go home and rest before you’re called back up to raid another thread.

          • Kes

            I believe the answer you were groping for is “nothing”. None. No monies.

          • Shucky Ducky

            You mean 4k of patreon monies. Their game is victimhood, coverage, notoriety.
            Financial motivation for self damseling? There you go.

          • Live the dream

            Of course all the people defending zoe in these comments are totally not people she knows from the forum somethingawful. They are also totally not people who follow her on twitter.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

            So what you’re saying is we get paid Patreon buxx for playing Depression Quest?

          • Matthew Long

            $0 would suffice, thanks, gator.

    • Young Yurk

      LOL the fact that you are defending an abuser shows what a piece of shit you are

    • Smazeli

      But this article doesn’t contain any screenshots, police reports, or evidence. Zoe Quinn has talked extensively about the 16 gigs of threats that she has saved, but will block anyone on twitter who asks to see them.

      • Jason Zolina

        Shit’s not hard to find. Look around.

        • Smazeli

          Oh hey, I found this. Zoe Quinn once stabbed a rapist to death without telling the police about it:

          https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

          The source of this story is Zoe Quinn herself, and I have NO reason to doubt her honesty here.

          • Jason Zolina

            No.

          • Smazeli

            What’s the problem? You can read it for yourself, and the linked emails from Quinn. Does it bother you?

          • Jason Zolina

            Nope.

          • Smazeli

            Nope? As in, it doesn’t bother you, or you aren’t going to read the proof?

          • Live the dream

            should we believe zoe and say that eron is a horrible person or do we not believe zoe and say she hasn’t stabbed someone and not reported it.? Is she a reliable witness or not at this point?

          • Smazeli

            I don’t know! Someone please tell me,

          • Proto Man

            You should probably believe Eron is a horrible person when he said that he deliberately designed a blog post designed to go viral and damage a woman’s life but hey whatever it’s about ethics in whatever you’re lying to yourself about.

          • Live the dream

            Designed it and sent it like many other articles i have seen women do in the exact same way. Is it only women who can craft these posts?

    • Winston_from_the_Ministry

      It’s called confirmation bias, everybody does it. Everybody. You, me, everybody.

    • Live the dream

      Its a good thing then taht eron posted logs and screen shots and fully confirmed everything he said then isn’t it. Eron has never been caught lying … zoe has many many many times.

      • Proto Man

        I think when a guy gets caught 4 times violating a restraining order he might not be the most trustable source of news but hey you keep on defending your husbando, namaste.

        • Live the dream

          do you know what the court order is?

          He can’t give out NEW INFORMATION. he hasn’t violated the court order once. You don’t have the facts.

          • Proto Man

            He’s violated it 4 times. It says it in the article. I guess because it comes from the she-devil’s mouth you don’t buy it but it’s there.

  • DorothyP

    “Depression Quest raked in independent game awards.” Which ones?

    • Snoopy

      Listed on her website.

  • H. Guderian

    This is ridiculous!

    At no point does the author ask why Quinn is disliked. Maybe because she sank “The Most Expensive Game Jam in History”. Maybe because after that she started her own charity game jam, which she collected money for and RAN with it. Look up “Rebel Jam.” Then, when another charity was raising money to help get women into making games she had that sabotaged as well.

    this article is shit.

    • Matthew Long

      How’d she sabotage the “charity”, again? Supposedly DDoS?

      • H. Guderian

        Said charity received a notice they were being taken down because their charity was maliciously harming Quinn. All Quinn has to do is complain or get a magazine article and people just….accept it. Take down someone else’s charity with no questions asked?

        The censorship of early Gamergate talk happened all the same way. They made this problem way larger than it had to because they knew they had stuff to hide. Which was found out.

        • J Ryan

          “The censorship of early Gamergate talk happened all the same way. They
          made this problem way larger than it had to because they knew they had
          stuff to hide. Which was found out.”

          Websites banned discussion of malicious lies (Quinn sleeping with people for good reviews). That is not censorship. it’s being responsible.

          • H. Guderian

            And so people threatening to ban Pro-GG people from sites, internet blacklists, ban them from convention spaces, etc – that’s all ebcause they think we’d automatically give a damn what her sex life is? If she didn’t keep popping back up in the news to cry about how harassed she is it would be easy to go back into obscurity. Even if she never had any intimate relations with anyone in her whole life the lack of disclosure between a developer and journalist is still there.

            Disclosure is also responsible behavior, which those censors you love have glanced over.

          • Shucky Ducky

            Actually they banned discussion of the truth, from Internet Aristocrats first video, she was dismissed as irrelevant, also, his first video correctly states her involvement wasn’t based on a review, but positive coverage.
            Censorship and your justification of censorship is why you can’t keep your story straight after 8 months.

          • Smazeli

            “Websites banned discussion of malicious lies (Quinn sleeping with people for good reviews)”

            Minor correction, the admin policies were not to ban anyone talking about positive reviews, but to ban anyone talking about Quinn getting positive coverage from Grayson despite being in a romantic relationship with him (which was factual)

    • J Ryan

      “Then, when another charity was raising money to help get women into making games she had that sabotaged as well.”

      TFYC is not a charity, they’re a business. they’re not registered as a non-profit anywhere in the world. Stop lying.

    • Jason Zolina

      In light of constant rape and death threats, literally nothing short of raping and killing sprees would matter. The mob response directed at Quinn so completely obliterates proportionality that nothing about her past means a single goddamn thing.

  • SecretX

    The only people are talking about this is the media and low bloggers and feminist. GamerGate has move on and has accomplish many things but of course nobody wants to talk about that.

    Funny how GamerGate is being blame as hate mob but in reality your creating a hate mob from not knowing the facts. Like the old saying “Point a finger at someone three fingers point back at you.”

    • Kes

      “GamerGate has move on” [sic] said the gator who came here to talk about it.

      • Shucky Ducky

        Says the guy with the same 10 people upvoting every anti gg comment.

        • Jason Zolina

          Proving… something.

      • SecretX

        you’re harassing me.

    • J Ryan

      They’ve accomplished many things – Sarkeesian on Colbert, intel investing $300 million into increasing diversity in tech, Quinn speaking before the US congress. I know they didn’t mean to achieve any of these things but Gamergate brought them about by showing how obnoxious and entitled a vocal minority of gamers are.

      • H. Guderian

        She didn’t speak before Congres. A briefing is something you pay for to talk to Congressional aides. Intel pulled their ads from gawker, and Gawker has few, if any, full paying advertisers left. Restored via 3rd party, yeah, but at vastly reduced rates. 120 cases of nondisclosure revealed and revised FTC rules are also things you left out.

        • J Ryan

          Lord you guys can’t even get your own victories straight. Intel pulled ads from gamasutra after GG lied to them, they quickly rectified the mistake.

        • Matthew Long

          Gawker still experiences huge profits, somehow…

          • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

            And Polygon and Kotaku readership continues to grow as well. I can almost taste the salty tears of GG supporters from here.

      • brando55

        Except all the attention and money is 100% loss, because those two are scammers. Give them more! Even if you never wake up, it means you have less.

      • SecretX

        Never said anything about not accomplishing anything. and the congress thing was a hearing i think people could choose to go or not.

        And Gamers are still higher than those three since sarkeessian just talk about her hate mob not her crazy views on the gaming world.

    • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

      The only people?
      You forget so fast the industry itself talks about GG. As a bad joke. Remember GDC?

      • SecretX

        That’s not part of gaming industry just business people promoting stuff.
        And there’s no such thing as a gaming industry since gamers only care about steam, sony, MS and Nintendo.

        Nintendo FTW! Let the consoles War begin!

        • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

          I’d say that business people promoting stuff, as well as the developers creating that stuff to be sold would be the very definition of an industry 😉

          Nintendo for the win! Y’know, if they can learn not to so backwards when it comes to the current social climate. I’m sure their image can withstand a few Let’s Players slipping the ocassional cuss.

          My prediction for the console wars? Turns out the Phantom was never vaporware, it was just biding its time, waiting for the right moment to strike…

  • Vincent DuDouze

    Just another one-sided hit-piece. “Zoe is an angel.” “As she is a woman, she must be the victim.”

    Your article is just missing some neutral point of view.

    —————————–

    Was Zoe harassed ?

    You said “Quinn is […] routinely receives misogynistic threats from strangers [before she met Gjoni].” So you have to prove the “Zoe Post” changed something.

    I know Zoe had problems with Wizardchan forum. She was a member of the forum. They claim she lied about them harassing her after some disagreement. This was before the breakup.

    With one incident we can trust the victim. With many unrelated people saying she’s lying, this is a conspiracy theory against her or she’s just a liar.

    Anyway #GamerGate is about ethics in journalism : just like checking the true is this article. So Zoe was not harassed by #GamerGate !

    —————————-

    Anachronism : you place Anita’s video about GTA V before the breakup. This is false.

    —————————–

    You said “She’d won acclaim for creating an impressionistic video game called Depression Quest.”

    Actually, no ! That’s the whole point : Depression Quest is a text-based “game”, which is not fun. The purpose of the “game” is to make the player fell the depression : no one wants to be depressed.

    The game is just boring by design !

    —————————–

    You said “The Zoe Post was approved by several game-dev women” !?

    I think some of them should have met Zoe. You’re just proving how the Zoe Post is true.

    —————————–

    So Zoe had many friends to fix her wikipedia page, and to censor Penny Arcade and SomethingAwful : who is the real defenseless victim here ?

    —————————–

    By ignoring women who support #GamerGate with #NotYourShield, you’re just… sexist

    —————————–

    So Brianna Wu lives in Arlington : this information should be useful to harassers…

    —————————–

    a sequel to “The Zoe Post” ? As #GamerGate is about ethics and not about harassing Zoe, Brianna or Anita, I don’t see the point.

    —————————–

    The only achievement of Zoe is “being harassed” and she gets 4150$ a month on patreon for this. She is the definition of a professional victim.

    • Matthew Long

      This is probably the funniest part of this screed:

      “Actually, no ! That’s the whole point : Depression Quest is a text-based “game”, which is not fun. The purpose of the “game” is to make the player fell the depression : no one wants to be depressed.”

      Shit, why do people go see sad movies? Read sad books? Sad plays?

      • Snoopy

        Probably to feel better about their own lives. But that’s missing the point: Many people who suffer from depression have spoken out about DQ and will gladly tell anyone who’s willing to listen, that DQ is a load of pretentious horsecr*p and does in no meaningful way portray what it’s like to live with depression. And that means, regardless of what her benefit-journofriends write, her game is a complete and utter failure.

        • Matthew Long

          WTF is wrong with you, asshole? I suffer from depression, and sometimes building EMPATHY in other people is fucking critical to understanding how destructive the illness is. Go fuck yourself.

          • Bad News

            No, you don’t suffer from depression. You’re just another self diagnosed, self centered asshole whose trying to make himself immune to criticism.

          • Matthew Long

            Hey asshole, what would you like me to provide you? A photo of the prescription medication I take? A note from my psychiatrist? His number?

          • Jason Zolina

            Don’t do it bro.

          • Wavinator

            “Go f*ck yourself’
            Ah, the dulcet sounds of empathy. How could anyone resist?

        • Frieda

          Uh huh. You choose to accept those peoples’ opinions as truth. The dozens of good reviews and awards DQ got? Those you choose to believe are collusion somehow. Anything except this outlandish idea that different people have different tastes. Absurd!

          • Snoopy

            If I wanna know what it’s like to be being pathologically depressed, I will ask people who are actually pathologically depressed. It’s called “first hand experience”.
            If I wanna know how it is getting my c*ck sucked for favorable reviews, I will ask a bunch of incestuous game journos.

      • Vincent DuDouze

        Sadness is not depression.

        Anyway the real question was : is this true ?

        <>

        Finding a good rating is challenging. This is not what a “acclaim” is supposed to be !

        http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest
        1.7/10

        http://operationrainfall.com/2014/08/26/review-depression-quest/

        1.5/5

        http://techraptor.net/content/depression-quest-review-someone-depression

        2.23/5

        http://www.ign.com/games/depression-quest/pc-160932

        3.6/15 > comment : “awful”

        http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/pc/00053960-depression-quest.htm
        8/20

        http://ramblingfoxreviews.blogspot.fr/2014/08/depression-quest-quick-review.html

        5/10

        http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/739988-depression-quest

        Reader review : 2/10

        Critic review : 5/10

        votes : 1.01/5 comment #4 lowest rated PC adventure / #11 on PC

    • Jason Zolina

      Fuck you’re slow.

  • willow

    This is too savage I love it

  • Sheryl Nantus

    Sounds like this guy needs some serious counselling – there’s times when you need to accept a break up and walk away. This guy needs to accept the obvious and get his act together. She doesn’t want him and he seems to not be able to figure that one out. Definitely a guy I wouldn’t want to work with or for – man’s got issues. Sad to see.

    • H. Guderian

      He should. Nothing good could have come from his talk, especially since there’s a restraining order she took out on him to keep him silent. In everything that’s gone on, his role is long over. Take a break and focus on your career (which he had destroyed by this, and articles like this about him).

    • Shucky Ducky

      https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23
      Counseling? For what? Being in an abusive relationship maybe.
      Are you really defending a woman for cheating on her boyfriend with 5 people and claiming that it was just because “she didn’t really want him” and so he just needs to get over it? If the genders were reversed this defense would never be used. Should he have figured out that she was cheating on him? Are we really victim blaming here?

      Just flip this around, a guy cheats on his girlfriend with 5 other women, and when she posts a grievance blog, people tell her to just grow up, she should have known, and is so gross a person that no one should ever want to work with them again….
      Sounds about right right?

  • David

    What’s odd about the comments section is looking through it most of the comments are made by the same 10-20 people who are critical of GamerGate. They’ve been sitting on the article for hours commenting and made in some cases 30-100 comments. It even looks like some of these accounts were created today. Not creepy or sad at all.

    • Snoopy

      The “damsel in distress” trope is very strong in the US. No clue why, but that’s how it is, and most people can’t muster the neccessary brain power to free themselves from these tropes.

      Not by accident, some 40% of US americans believe in creationism – unique among civilised countries. Probably the same numbers of college students believe in the invisible “Patriarchy” as well LOL.

    • Jezzer

      Would you say it was more or less sad than the Kotaku In Action thread from a day or two ago organizing GG’s attack on this article’s comments?

      • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

        Except no real Gator would ever brigade a comments section. Those are just third party trolls who have nothing to do with the movement (except the exact same talking points, mentality, and overall goals) 😉

        • Jason Zolina

          Swamps have notoriously bad internet.

          • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

            But I heard swamps were full of vines!

            … I’ll see myself out.

      • David

        Citation? I didn’t go through all 700 comments but all I could see was the same critics of GG commenting on here with only about 10 upvotes.

        If KiA was really organizing comments on this don’t you think there would be more than 10+ upvotes on their comments, and they would be at the top?

    • Casey Snow

      Dude, what’s creepy and sad is 8chan’s /gamergatehq/ board spending over a hundred posts talking about how Zoe looks in the article’s photo.

      • David

        I don’t visit 8chan. I also don’t care about that kind of celebrity gossip.

        • Casey Snow

          Then you clearly don’t have the whole picture of gamergate.

          • David

            I witnessed the story from the beginning. I’m quite familiar. It doesn’t matter what people say about someone’s looks. People do that all the time with celebrities all over the internet. People are human as well. You can’t expect them to be perfect and PC all the time.

            There is a reason there’s an E network, TMZ, and all those other celebrity gossip magazines. Some people are interested in it. Just like some people are interested in sex scandals like Tiger Woods or Anthony Wiener. I’m typically not interested in this garbage but it’s something you have to acknowledge others are.

          • Casey Snow

            Hey, I’m with ya there. But you’re the one calling out the GG critics over something relatively benign. I’m just putting your criticism into its proper context.

          • Shucky Ducky

            Your words have already proven you don’t have the whole picture of gamergate. Prove the majority of the threads on gamergate 8ch boards are zoe based?
            You can’t, because they aren’t.
            Don’t insult peoples intelligence to pretend that zoe is so interesting people would endlessly discuss her for 8 months. No, they only bring her up when she’s inserted into the conversation, like with yet another hit piece article like this one.
            The proper context is defenders of zoe spending this much ink defending a person who simply doesn’t merit it based on what she’s actually done. By no measure, moral or ethical is this person worth defending, the long string of false accusations and damage she’s left in her wake is just incredible, and all excused under the banner of benevolent sexism.

          • Casey Snow

            I never said that the majority of the boards there were about Zoe. Why should I need to prove that?

      • Shucky Ducky

        What’s creepy is you looking for Quinn pictures on gamergatehq when most of the threads don’t cover quinn.
        But misrepresenting reality…this has become the norm for anti GamerGate people.

        • Casey Snow

          I went there looking to see what 8chan’s faction of gamergate thought of this article. I don’t care about what Zoe looks like. And they are discussing it: deny it however you want.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Ghazi doesn’t have much to do these days. As they build their case on lies they have no where to go, too many lies to keep straight, to few actual points to make.

      • Casey Snow

        We don’t have much to do because gamergate is running on fumes. I keep checking in on KiA and 8chan to see what GG is up to next and it’s all just “hey… let’s hi-jack this trending hashtag!” Again… and again… and again. Y’all have become monotonous and boring.

    • hams

      Yeah I created my account today because I only just saw the article today. I post a lot because of all the dipshit arguments presented by the GG boiz. It’s like whack-a-mole, it’s so easy to smush them but there’s so many! Logic-bros are kinda low hanging fruit, I admit. For all their professed love of logic the actual application of it seems beyond them

      • David

        I see. You created and made over 160 comments in a single day on one article. That’s not weird at all.

        • hams

          What’s weird is how a group that claims to only care about ethics in games journalism, who says they don’t care about ZQ, pops out of the fuckin woodwork every time her name gets so much as mentioned. Last night the actor who played Worf on TNG backed up ZQ on twitter and within minutes you goons were in his mentions furiously trying to convince SOMEONE that it was a horrible conspiracy!

          I’m here for two reasons. I care more about women being in the gaming industry than I care about the sweaty nerds trying to keep them out.

          I love whipping melvins in arguments. They think they’re extremely good at it and it’s really fun sweeping someone’s arrogance from under them.

  • Kamille

    why never talk about all the people that Zoe has harassed, doxxed and even the game jams she has ruined just because she did not like the people that ran it? Or what about her anti-harassment company in which one of the Ceo engages in targeted harassment? There is prove everywhere if you’re willing to spend a minute or two looking for it. Zoe is no angel, she’s actually an abuser and pathological liar.

    • Cat Reid

      Yes, let’s trust gamergate where they have spent 8 months obsessively crowdsourcing misinformation about ZQ in vast attempts to discredit her. Right. You seem VERY believable!

      • Shucky Ducky

        Which is funny because that hasn’t happened, if gamergate had crowd sourced information on her for 8 months there would be book volumes of material on her, but there aren’t. Not many people look into her deep past, beyond the fact that she goes through names like candy..quinn isnt’ a real name, people don’t know much about her past because she is literaly ignored until she inserts herself into the discussion, or someone writes a hit piece like this. Sorry but go look at the time line, when quinn went on her european vacation, which she planned before gamergate started and still had the gall to take it as an opportunity to claim she was just fleeing to europe because of gamergate…during her absence, mention of her dropped to almost zero, because people don’t care about her.
        Quite literally, in Internet Aristocrats first quinnspiracy video, the one which garnered almost a million views in its original upload, he dismisses her as relevant within the first third of the video. This is how its been from the start, and yet, the media paints a lie, through literally hundreds of articles on this woman at this point. Its really tiresome.
        What’s unbelievable is that you think a huge group of people would fixate on this nobody, let alone for 8 months.

        • hams

          “Not many people look into her deep past,”

          Lol you say that right before you start to talk about her past. I saw you have quite a few screenshots about her on hand too! But no, it’s not about her!

        • Cat Reid

          I am unsure if you have the self awareness to understand how creepy and obsessed you sound.

  • http://vectorpress.blogspot.com/ tpkroger

    This Gjoni twerp needs to grow up. “Baw, the mean girl broke up with me!” sounds stupid even when coming from a teenager.

    • David

      I’d be a bit wary of trusting this article. It’s tabloid level garbage and the author is purposely deceiving readers. After Gjoni came out with his blog post, 3 other women came out about their experiences with Quinn as well. There was also a feminist charity/contest that she also killed. All these different people all painting similar portraits that Quinn lies, manipulates, or uses people. I don’t even think any of them know each other, they just knew Quinn.

      Someone who has done developer interviews on Youtube said they reached out to devs about Quinn. He said he knows someone who is in therapy due to whatever she did to them. He refused to go into details because the person wished to remain anonymous or wasn’t ready to confront the person. I don’t blame them. All these people who came out about this person and she still gets defended and there are still interviews about her 8 months later. If she really wanted this to be over she wouldn’t continue to do interviews about it.

      • Jezzer

        “We don’t care about Zoe Quinn!”

        *spends an entire day bashing Zoe Quinn*

        • Shucky Ducky

          Order of events missing from your thought process.
          Hundreds of articles bashing gamers and creating a victim narrative of quinn come out for over 8 months now.
          People are just correcting the record.

          • CliveRogan

            The victim narrative has been present since the moment the zoe post was created, long before really given the torrent of abuse that’s long been thrown Quinn’s way. Journalists didn’t make that narrative, they were and are merely reporting on it.

          • http://texrat.net/ texrat

            Try it with actual facts and logic.

        • Smazeli

          Who are you quoting? Did you mean to reply to another post?

      • RKMK

        If you stop wanking while typing, your thoughts may become not-ridiculous. FOCUS YOUNG MAN. FOCUS.

  • Syn –

    Damn, lewis’ law in full effect down here. I’m out, abandon thread!

  • Mizahnyx

    I supported Zoe from day one of “#Quinnspiracy”, the original tag concocted by some 4chan users to spread the Zoe post. I don’t condone or support harassment towards her.

    However I don’t either condone a culture of game critics and journalists that want to impose their radical-progressive views on gaming. Dictating what they feel gaming “should” be and shitting on everything else that is not “ideologically pure”. Spearheading Zoe Quinn and her game as a paragon, a materialization of their ideals even against her own wellbeing and safety.

    “Depression Quest” is understandably a cathartic, very personal game, however, even despite that, IMHO is not even the best Twine game I’ve played (Sacrilege probably could get that position, however, my likings and tastes are subjective).

    I don’t support the GamerGate of harassment, red MSPaint lines, personalized death/rape threats, conspiracies and defamation. I support the GamerGate of healing between developers, gamers and critics, of creating alternative views and games, of rejecting censoring and smearing of developers (like it happened to the devs of Hatred and Huniepop), of respecting all gaming spaces and their cultures, no matter how different they could be.

    • David

      Considering more men and women have been doxxed or threatened on the GG hashtag, I think it’s safe to assume there are third party trolls attacking both sides of the issue. I haven’t seen any sort of organized harassment on the hashtag from people in GG.

    • HobokenGary

      What radical views are you talking about, specifically? Who, also specifically, are they and what have they said that make you believe they are trying to, and have the power to, dictate content?

      • Mizahnyx

        What radical views?

        The idea that by engaging interactively with a game that has elements not endorsed by their progressive worldviews makes you complicit in the situations depicted in such games, by example. The idea that the representation should be flawless according to their theories, erasing the importance of games who come from different cultures. The stereotyping and belittling of people who have made games an important part of their lives by prominent critics, for the actions of a psychopatical minority that already had commited many outrageous acts in online spaces mostly unrelated to gaming.

        Who?
        By example, the journos who tried to paint the Hatred developers as neonazis in order to boycott the game. Or the ones who tried to portray the Huniepop developers as mysogynists in order to boycott also that game. Or the ones who decided that the cause of GamerGate harassment was developers choosing gamers as target audience, ignoring ongoing scientific research on online toxicity.

        What makes me believe they have the power to dictate content?
        The mainstream of gamers follow sites and journalists not very interested in critical views of gaming. However, the part of gaming journalism and critic that caters to those gamers that want to dig more and more on the influences and impact of the games they love, as a rule are more interested in projecting a specific world view over their audience than trying to do a disapassionate analysis of games. In this case, games like “Depression Quest” by Zoe Quinn get pulled into the focus because they are ideologically aligned with the general consensus of game critics, while games that could be seen as more innovative but are considered as against their principles get minimal or negative critical reviews, by example, “Castle Doctrine” by Jason Rohrer.

        • MinaJen

          ……I thought it was about encouraging diversity in gaming, and offering criticisms of the tropes and narratives commonly found in Triple A games, especially as videogames become a more pronounced part of media consumption?

          • iLoveGames

            I think it’s a bit more than “offering criticism” of the tropes. These so called “critics” (like Anita Sarkeesian) want to completely dispel the tropes and replace them with their ideologically aligned narratives. The problem is that these tropes are tested, accepted, and successful means of telling a story and have just as much a right to exist as anything else. If people truly disagree with these tropes then perhaps they should make their own games and use their own plot devices. However most people lack the talent or knowledge necessary so they just complain and complain until some AAA dev changes things for them. But that’s where the pushback comes from. If you want a good example of devs or artists changing something for ideologues…look at fem-thor. Changing a beloved character into a female? Sure that will satisfy the very vocal minority, but what about the majority of your fans? And what happened – the comic sold terribly, almost not at all. After it’s first issue it was cancelled because the fans just didn’t want it.

            That’s the situation we’re in with gaming. Fans of games don’t want all this ideological bull crap being pushed in games. We’re fine with diversity and all, but pushing your agendas on us isn’t cool. Same for journalism. We read/watch game reviews to get an objective review of the GAME not what you think it’s political message is.

            What’s worse is that the game journos don’t see who their audience is. They think these Social Justice Warriors are their true audience but forget who’s read their sites and watched their videos since the beginning. They forget who their primary audience is; Gamers. Imagine if Apple suddenly decided to ship all their mobile devices with android and all their computers with windows, because a few very vocal individuals complained about iOS …how upset would their customers be. VERY.

          • MinaJen

            Uh……

            Well, I don’t see it that way. Honestly? I play games. I rather enjoy games that have female protagonists. Or the option to pick a female character over a male one. I’ve bought Beyond Good and Evil on several platforms, and loved the shit out of Eternal Darkness. Or, I do appreciate games that make female characters something other than T and A. Or, sometimes I just enjoy a female placeholder, so I tend to play the female characters in Borderlands since that option is made to me. When I play Call of Duty, I don’t have much of a choice, but now that I do, I’m a little more invested in the game, I admit. I’m a customer, and I think that I’ve got every right to see my wants met – and that includes developed female characters and a lack of sexualized violence – as much as others.

            For my own personal anecdote, that whole deal with the Warcraft game that only had one female body type among how many characters, and then they introduced the heavier, stockier lady? My sister’s excitement for the game, which was already pretty high, went up even further! It’s representation and diversity, in a way that really didn’t negatively impact the game. You can chalk it up to SJW nonsense, or you can say that by expanding the game, they’ve expanded the market for that game.

            I mean, I’ve watched all of the Sarkeesian videos, and to me, she was pointing out the repeated instances on some very old and often used tropes, and made criticisms of them. I didn’t see her saying that all games should not have this ever, but explaining the use of these images and motifs and what they mean on a larger scale in regards to our culture, and exploring those tropes within the context of video games, as they get more popular?

            As much as these tropes may have a right to exist, people have a right to criticize their existence and what they mean. And then people have a right to criticize those people, and vice versa. Not threaten.

            There are places that are going to review the game as a story, and what that story means. There are places that are going to review the mechanics and their success. There will be places that review both. Someone concerned about the game play isn’t going to care very much about the story, and vice versa.

            Also, the female Thor comics are outselling the previous Thor series by 30%. And even then, it’s hard to argue the success of Fem Thor when you consider the issues comics have at hand:

            “This trend continues across the follow four issues of each series, female Thor up by roughly 30%, despite the overall sales numbers of both series declining after the first issue.”

            http://www.slashgear.com/marvels-female-thor-comics-selling-30-more-than-previous-series-22374711/

            I mean, bringing up the whole “Social Justice Warrior” angle seems a little ridiculous. I’m sure that people who didn’t mind blackface had similar comments about those that saw it as racist and degrading and advocated for real black performers, and we don’t see so many minstrel shows being popular nowadays.

          • hams

            “Changing a beloved character into a female? Sure that will satisfy the very vocal minority, but what about the majority of your fans? And what happened – the comic sold terribly, almost not at all. After it’s first issue it was cancelled because the fans just didn’t want it.”

            So you’re ok with Thor being a Frog? It’s ok for an amphibian to wield Mjolnir, but a woman? OH NO MAH CANON. If you don’t have a problem with women, why do you have a problem with female characters?

            Also the sales were fine, pretty similar to other non-mainline marvel titles. It wasn’t canceled after the first issue either. Ya’ll love facts but you hate to use em.

          • hams

            Oh I forgot: More than half the population of the planet is women, what the fuck makes you think you OWN gaming? Misogynists like you have been screaming for decades about keeping the sexism in games. Soon enough you’ll be irrelevant. Hold on to the rage kiddo, soon it will be all you have.

        • HobokenGary

          I’m tight on time so I’m only going to have time to hit a couple of the things you’ve mentioned. Sorry.

          I’m not sure which specific game you’re talking about, Hatred maybe? I think the critiques of that game were that it was stupid & shallow. All the major sites GG usually hates all gave games like GTA 5 stellar reviews despite it having a pretty unprogressive mentality.

          I’m not sure how many “prominent” critics there even are, and of them, Leigh Alexander isn’t on the list. The other articles surrounding that were all commentary on her (and another article who’s author escapes me), and nearly all of them made the distinction that when she described the type of person game developers should stop catering to she didn’t mean ALL gamers. Looking at those sites you find an uncountable number of articles about how gamers are doing really cool things, and very, very few (single digits mostly) that focus on the darker sides of game culture. Looking at the events of August 2014 (ZQ threats, Anita Sarkeesian threats, multiple SWATings, Lizard Squad bringing PSN down, as well as a commercial airliner with a Sony exec on board), the gaming press would be remiss to NOT cover and criticize the culture that allows these things to happen and find it if not acceptable behavior, certainly tolerable.

          As I understand it, some of the Hatred guys while not being neonazis, are fans of neonazis. If there’s a huge difference there, I’m not sure I can see it.

          I’ve never heard of Huniepop, pro or anti, so I can’t speak to that.

          Kotaku and Polygon, whose web traffic runs in the millions, tend to be the targets of a lot of the GG anger for their critical views of gaming, count as mainstream gaming sites.

          I don’t think having the opinion “clinical depression sucks” can be defined as an ideology. DQ got good reviews because it effectively made the player feel what it’s like to suffer from depression, and it caught plenty of flack for being simplistic in both it’s design and it’s message.

          Castle Doctrine got a fair number of reviews, even from sites that rarely cover indie games, saying it was ignored is a stretch, and reading through the reviews, there seemed to be plenty of complaints about the game as a game as well as it’s ham fisted message. For a game that put it’s message up front, it’s certainly fair game to judge how that message appealed to any particular reviewer, reviews are supposed to be an individual’s opinion, and that includes a game’s message.

  • Experiment #626

    this has got to be the most biased article I have ever seen. Make ZQ look like a queen despite her actions and make eron look like the villain. I don’t give a shit about anyone’s sex life only children would care. this has nothing to do with #gamergate

  • Daniel Hemingway

    This guy should get sued for defamation/slander/libel and then fired for being the shittiest reporter of the bunch.

    Like, Gosh, Quinn’s so brave to slag off a guy she abused and who can’t defend himself because of a constitutionally illegal gag-order she got him slapped with on fraudulent grounds.

    And about the article itself:

    1) Brianna Wu wasn’t even a thing till she inserted herself into this mess.
    2) The article fails to mention how Sarkeesian canceled that Utah conference despite the police concluding there was no threat.
    3) And even more interestingly the author doesn’t even discuss the substance or allegations of Gjoni’s post, even though the bulk of it has been verified and most of it reveals that Quinn is rather scummy and less of a heroic figure then the article tries to paint her as.
    4) Even more bizarre is how it pretends she’s even still a thing.

    tldr: This is glorified libel.

    • MinaJen

      Wow, because all those rape and death threats? Just trollolololol, right?

      • Calloway McSmithing

        The biggest flaw with this article is that it doesn’t give ANY facts about giraffes.

      • utera

        You mean like this?
        Or did you mean the doxing and ddosing she subjected tyfc to because they were competition for her own game jam?

        • MinaJen

          Two wrongs don’t make a right, and we have channels for that called “Laws” which I”m sure TFYC have every right to pursue against her if they so chose.

          But that would also mean supporting Zoe Quinn’s right to legal action against Gjoni, and that would mean admitting he’s breaking the law as well.

          And that justifies rape and death threats how, exactly?

          Tell me, how do you view the activity against Brianna Wu? Anita Sarkeesian? Hell, the countless other people mentioned and not mentioned in this article who have faced unwarranted vitriol for….not agreeing with other people?

      • Redronn

        When people like her count obvious Twitter trolls as serious harassers, you’ll have to excuse us if we can’t take her seriously. 😛

        • MinaJen

          Well, since some of those trolls have posted her private information, and that of her family’s, as her job, and others’ have been effected by those trolls – maybe she should be taken seriously.

          • iLoveGames

            Because having someone’s private information amounts to what? I could have Zoe’s address in minutes but I’m almost certain that I live too far away to even think of doing anything about it. Even if I lived in the same state, or hell the same city, I’m a gamer…I’m too damn lazy to get out of my computer chair, pause GTA V, and go hurt someone. I think your first mistake is over estimating what gamers and other denizens of the internet are actually capable of. The number of internet trolls who took actual real world action is literally almost 0. And think about this logically. If someone REALLY wanted to hurt another person would they announce it to the entire world via social media before carrying out their deed? “I’m going to go kill the president! See you guys in an hour!” I’m pretty sure the president would be moved to a safe location within minutes. “I’m going to go kill Zoe Quinn!” Quinn would no doubt be notified and would call the police. To believe that internet trolls have any bearing on reality is to subject yourself to needless fear.

          • MinaJen

            And what happens when we underestimate?

            I mean, we’ve had political situations where people have announced their intentions before hand, and where people have claimed responsibility afterward for the sake of idealogies, well documented hategroups who have undertaken some heinous shit and weren’t exactly subtle about how much they hated, and how violent they were intending to be.

            I mean, having someone’s private information – identity theft, anyone? Not only could mess someone up with credit cards and fraudulent purchases, you can, with their information, sign them up for shit, you can mail in things to their employers – fuck, the possibilities can be endless, all with a social security number and a date of birth.

            And Zoe has moved, when she’s been confronted with these threats, per the article, moved to other places, stayed with friends. Wasn’t there the very public case of someone making a video stating he was going to fuck up Brianna Wu and actually driving by her house at one point?

            Better safe than sorry. And this is more than, “I’m going to go kill Zoe Quinn, bye guys!” This is more than one individual saying specifically what they plan do to her, including rape, including murder, and then having the information where she lives.

            I know if someone said that to me, and had my personal information, I would call the police. Because that one time.

            Elliot Rodger made a youtube video before he straight up murdered people. Is that incident one a million? Yes, it is. But it wasn’t just one video. It was the latest in a string of posts, videos, etc – and then, he was just one in a million who didn’t do anything, until he did. If anyone of the UCSB Sorority had seen that video, would you have told them, “It’s the internet. He’s not going to do anything, the chances of that happening are one in a million.”

            Because he was that one in a million. And six women, three men are now dead, with fourteen more injured.

          • hams

            I guess that makes it all ok then

      • thanatos388

        Because an actual killer or rapist will announce it on the internet first right? You may have noticed that beyond twitter trolls who get blocked immediately and/or are reported she hasn’t suffered at all by any of this. Instead she just become mildly famous.

      • Daniel Hemingway

        Citation needed. “All those death threats,” should be pretty easy to find, Mina. Or is this gonna be like what happened to PeanutButterGamer, where the person talked a big show about how “I’d need to buy a hard drive to doccument all the Gamergate harassment,” and PBG responded with “Then one or two threats shouldn’t be impossible to find, then.” I don’t think he ever got a response.

        tldr: Put your money where your mouth is and post some evidence.

  • PlainOldTruth

    HO
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  • Nami

    Find it funny the bit at the end says “We reserve the right to remove impersonators or personal attacks, threats, profanity, or flat-out offensive comments” when this “article” is nothing more than a well made hateblog.

  • Clayton Weaver

    This article made me laugh myself to tears. The only ones that keep bringing up Quinn are Anti-gamergaters and the media. GamerGate haven’t bothered mentioning her after the first month of the movement and those who have mentioned her are usually just stating facts about what Quinn has done. The author is either a friend of Quinn’s or just blatantly ignoring the facts to sell his narrative to help Quinn’s victim claims.

    For example, Eron Gjoni shows replies from Quinn where she admits to cheating on him with the men he lists (of which they all are in a position to promote her career). Nathan Grayson was friends with Quinn when he covered her failed game jam and name dropped her game in an article (which he didn’t disclose).

    Quinn made it so the feminist group The Fine Young Capitalists had to stop a contest they were doing because Quinn spread lies which cost them any coverage (which GamerGate ended up doing a charity for and helping TFYC do their contest).

    Then we get to Depression Quest which had backlash from those suffering from depression saying her game trivialized what they go through on a daily basis.

    The media has ignored all the facts to sell a sensationalized story. At least the Australian news network admitted as much while the US still claim they only want to tell the truth.

    If GamerGate is a hate mob looking to chase women out of gaming, then why are there so many female developers and gamers that are pro-gamergate? If GamerGate isn’t about ethics, then why did so many game news sites rewrite their ethics policies and several of the journalists in question were fired? Kim Crawley is a great example of this, wrote an article with obvious lies that the company she wrote for fired her on those grounds, but she instantly blamed GamerGate for her inability to tell the truth. If GamerGate is about hate, why have they collected money for so many different charities? If GamerGate hates women like the media claims, why would they help a female developer (Jennifer Dawe) to get her game greenlighted on steam instead of joining Anti’s in boycotting her? Why would they have helped The Fine Young Capitalists, a feminist group that wanted to help women turn game ideas into actual games (which Quinn damn near ruined until GamerGate donated money and bailed them out).

    Hell, I didn’t even know about this article until an anti-gamergate member (A man in black) tweeted it under the GamerGate hashtag. I’ve said from the beginning I don’t care how many people Quinn sleeps with or cheats on as it is her body and personal life, but I do care if indies developers are being ignored by game journalists because they aren’t in this special clique to get coverage or on the bad side of Quinn.

    I’m an indie developer and while working on a project I keep wondering if my game will get any coverage or not since I’m not part of the small clique that seems to be Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian, McIntosh, and the other journalists that are chomping at the bit to sell Quinn and the one-sided narrative of Anti-GamerGate.

    • Calloway McSmithing

      “Nobody in GamerGate talks about Zoe Quinn anymore,” he said before writing a seven paragraph biography of Zoe Quinn.

      • utera

        She’s talked about when its forced on people, as has been done with articles like this, and when she’s involved in pushing for legislation or whatever nonsense she’s involved it. Don’t pretend this was an article written by gamergate. Its just yet another of a long line of “poor zoe” articles out there, there are literally hundreds at this point, so set that record straight, the media and anti GG fixate and endlessly talk about quinn because they have nothing to say about the actual charges GG makes, their corruption is a given at this point, and so all they can do is hide behind a woman.
        Its no surprise that the way they attempted to shut up Jullian Assange was to trump up rape charges against him, its the most effective way to try to silence people, claim they are “abusing the women”.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “She’s talked about when it’s forced on people,” he said when replying to an article no one forced him to read.

          • utera

            When the media attacks, sorry but disinformation is something we react to because its a vicious smear.

          • Calloway McSmithing

            “We have to respond to attacks,” he said while having a comment history filled with negativity about Brianna Wu, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

          • Smazeli

            Surely you can figure out the difference between “attacks” and “facts which negatively reflect on the subject”.

            “After the internet discovered numerous acts of perjury in Quinn’s court deposition, she blamed the factual inconsistencies on the police officer who wrote it out. Despite the fact that it was in Quinn’s handwriting, and she was legally obligated to approve of every line of the deposition before submission”

            See that’s not a personal attack, that’s a factual account

      • a_w_young

        and a dude that’s been obsessed with it/posting about it for months, it would seem.

      • Clayton Weaver

        Seven paragraphs of facts by way of her own admission on Twitter or via screen caps to Eron Gjoni and others. Those are just some of the facts that show she isn’t a nice person. Let’s forget that though and address something else I’ve noticed…

        So you approve of the double standard then? Women who out men the same way Eron Gjoni did are praised for bringing an sexually abusive man to the attention of everyone. A guy does it and he is thrown under the bus and the sexually abusive woman is heralded as a victim.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “Nobody in GamerGate cares about Zoe Quinn,” he said while continuing to revisit an article about Quinn two days after it was posted.

          • Clayton Weaver

            Guessing you don’t use Disqus as it allows me to reply to you without ever going to the article anymore.

            http://i.imgur.com/x3VHx9Z.png

            I haven’t visited the article since I posted my original comment. Nice way to deflect the topic though and yet at the same time speak volumes that you do approve of the double standard. Approval by omission it seems.

        • ginmar

          Yeah, no. Eron Gjoni has no credibility at all. Now that you’ve admitted you believe this low rent would be Elliot Rodger, neither do you.

  • utera

    Quinn is about the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a while, for a start, her name isn’t quinn, before quinn it was “lock valentine”, and before that it was chelsea van valkenberg.
    Her first move was to file a false dmca against mundane matt to attempt to silence his channel, false accusation 1.
    Then she filed a deliberately misleading report insinuating that the nudes on the internet were leaked by eron, when they had really been part of her professional photoshoot, lies through omission and insinuation, deliberate to make him seem like a revenge pornographer, and so she got her ex gag ordered. false accusation 2.
    She then claimed that Jordan Owen was violating her copyright or harassing her, i forget which one on this but she filed with twitter and got him suspended when it was a public picture, it was of her face, and he was in contact with the professional photographer who would grant him permission if he so needed it.
    This is how this person is, its just never ending, she claimed she fled to europe because of gamergate, we find tweets of her scheduling her european vacation before gamergate started. She is deliberately dishonest, and really how much do we actually know about her actual past considering how people are pretending people have hounded her and exposed her past when that really hasn’t happened, most people don’t even know she runs under a fake name.
    I mean really, how much of that past can you verify.
    As for trying to portray her as some poor upstart, just no, all the anti gamergate type women come from wealth or are associated with wealth. Anita has long been with Jonathan McIntosh, trust fund child. Brianna Wu has millionaire parents who will piss away 200k at a time on her vanity projects. Zoe Quinn is in a relationship with Alex Lifschitz who is a trust fund child, its a little strange for that to be coincidental. These are all well connected people, and all are dishonest to the core.
    As for the idea that the “zoe post” was something awful, she admitted she was unfaithful, 3 out of 5 are confirmed in identity, and Eron isn’t some misogynerd, he’s a radical feminist who called her out for being a fraud, not a real “sjw” as they say.
    And the hypocrisy of anti gg on this is hilarious, as Brianna Wu’s own husband wrote his own zoe post against his ex wife, but allegations of domestic abuse exist against frank.

    • Cat Reid

      Oh yes, let’s trust gamergate where they have spent 8 months obsessively crowdsourcing misinformation about ZQ in vast attempts to discredit her. Right. You seem VERY believable!

      ” for a start, her name isn’t Quinn”
      Way to shoot your credibility in the foot right out of the gate. How about you link to an incoherent conspiracy youtube vid? *looks up*
      Oh hey there, we have a gator bingo!

      • Smazeli

        Boy these guys seem to know a lot about Quinn what with all the time they spent researching more than the average reporter. Good point, why trust them?

        By the way, did you know Quinn once stabbed to death a rapist without reporting it to the police? That’s not some errant rumor, that’s something Quinn herself claimed to numerous friends and coworkers. And I take her word for it and am in NO WAY suggesting that she made up a story of being assaulted to garner sympathy. But let me know what you think:

        https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

        • Live the dream

          Quinn never lies. I know that because i am being told this in this comment section. Believing she is just a liar and not someone who doesn’t report stabbing someone would actually be trying to see her in a good light. I don’t know why the people who are defending zoe want people to believe she is someone who doesn’t report to police a stabbing is quite silly though.

    • Geoff Capriola

      oh right, because nobody has ever changed their name. who knows, i could be wrong though.

  • Calloway McSmithing

    Actually it’s about ethics in obsessive fixation and sociopathic tendencies.

    • videmus

      IKR? This “Gamergate” group lost whatever legitimate claims it had when it sent mean tweets to Zoe Quinn, just like #blacklivesmatter turned into a hate mob when it killed two NYPD officers. These groups need to be ashamed of themselves.

      • John Cobalt

        The journalists in questions did the right thing, they put their accounts to private and the one person involved who didn’t got all the questions instead and her reply was “OMG stop hating me because I’m a woman”.

        The people sending the questions got mixed up with those that hated her from prior shit she had done and while those with questions moved on to #GamerGate, people continued to confuse the two different groups on purpose.

        • videmus

          Those tweets sounds really hateful. I’m afraid they’ll start killing people like the #blacklivesmatter movement. Hopefully the President can address this and order these Gamergaters to be arrested.

      • wgone

        Zoe Quinn is a NOBODY – she is not a game developer – she is just one little example in the whole ethics issue. The only people who keep it about Zoe and other women are the ANTI Gamergaters LIKE YOU – who want the topic to remain on this silly NOBODY CARES about these insignificant women.

      • Calloway McSmithing

        -.-

        • videmus

          It indeed is sad, but we need to move on from them. They’ve all been tainted by the violence committed by their participants.

  • utera

    Video’s explaining the abusive nature of Zoe’s relationship

    Understanding the Zoepost Pt 1 | Shifting Blame & Responsibility
    sdoctmdplays

    [TW] Understanding the Zoepost Pt 2 | Withholding & Abuse
    sdoctmdplays

    Understanding the Zoe Affidavit
    https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23KrVh7YlEYl8TniV0x_rLvw

    • Calloway McSmithing

      “You can’t trust the media,” he said before linking to a bunch of YouTube videos.

      • Smazeli

        No no, he said you can’t trust “the media”. Not, “you can’t trust media”. The former refers to the press industry.

  • JD

    Oh Gamer Gate. You really are just the dumbest thing in the world aren’t you.

    • jackie901 .

      That’s not particularly nice.

      All Gamergate really wants is better journalism and an end to corruption.

      Both of those things might have saved me £40 on Alien Colonial Marines.

      • Travio

        Due to the media, unfortunately, everyone conflates the problematic movement that was the Quinnspiracy and the Gamergate movement which was founded based on media reaction to the Quinnspiracy stuff. The two get all sorts of intertwined because no one not directly affiliated with Gamergate (either by choice or consensus) has attempted to make the distinction.

      • Dr. Strangethumb

        you know what would have saved you those 40 pounds? Not preordering and reading reviews before buying the game.

        Don’t blame journalism for you being stupid.

      • MinaJen

        Still waiting to hear GamerGate take on EA, IGN, all those businesses that pay reviewers….

        Oh wait, we’re still targeting Zoe Quinn? Uh….

        • Live the dream

          Do you have evidence of corruption involving them?

          Are they journalists?

          • MinaJen

            Well, one could argue that’s the whole point of IGN, since EA is the company actually pulling this shit with reviewers and journalists….

            Oh wait, you want evidence? Can I please have the evidence to where Zoe Quinn is ruining gaming journalism as a whole?

            Or any action of GamerGate that doesn’t involve petty bullshit against people that have criticized them?

          • Smazeli

            Did you mean to reply to someone else? I’m not seeing those claims being made

            It’s generally bad form to change the subject once someone asks for evidence to back up your claims.

          • MinaJen

            It was more a reply to the “Are they Journalists” question.

            I admit, I don’t have links I can rattle off and give you, other than those easily found in search queries. Or, if you prefer, go to many of the premier gaming sites and check out the advertising there, and how it corresponds to the reviews they give those specific games.

            I’m not a journalist, I don’t have an article I can give you with all the answers. Though, in retrospect, it feels like I could ask for the same regarding the validity of the topic of the article.

            I apologize for the bad form, though.

          • Smazeli

            No problem. When you do find something relating to paid reviews, send it over to /r/KotakuInAction

          • Proto Man

            When you find something relating to an actual story on Reddit, send it to another website so people will give a shit instead of reading a hugbox of guys patting themselves on the back for being noble GGers.

          • Smazeli

            I’m sorry, did I do or say something to offend you, on a personal level? I apologize, it wasn’t my intention.

          • Proto Man

            No, I just find r/KotakuInAction, like many subreddits, to be a hugbox of people all sharing the same opinions all congratulating themselves for having the same opinions

            So nothing against you on a personal level, just the entire culture you inhabit I guess.

        • Smazeli

          Paid reviews? In the past 7 months? Where?

          • MinaJen

            You tell me ,since you’re the one about ethics on gaming journalism. I mean, that is what the movement is supposed to doing, right?

            Oh wait, we’re in a Zoe Quinn article. That’s the most important part. Making sure there’s no villification of people that make death threats and rape threats because of something between her and Enver Gjoni. Because ethics. In gaming journalism.

          • hams

            lol DUDE, the paid reviews conversation has been going on since you were in diapers. back when game journalism was strictly magazines, people talked about it. It’s not a new thing.

          • Smazeli

            Yes, I’m well aware of the general rabble, I’m asking for some actual evidence of recent paid reviews.

          • hams

            You’re hilarious and cute. You guys are willing to practically dig through ZQs underwear drawer looking for misdeeds but when it comes to scrutinizing a man you demand someone else provide proof of something that has had a far greater number of (more substantial) allegations.

            Clearly ‘recent’ isn’t that important, since months and months later you’re still after ZQ. If you guys care so fucking much about gaming journalism, why aren’t you looking for proof of paid reviews? Oh right, because you can’t get your revenge porn without rushing to defend some dude from the evil lying woman strawman you’ve all got in your closets.

          • Smazeli

            “You’re hilarious and cute. You guys are willing to practically dig through ZQs underwear drawer looking for misdeeds but when it comes to scrutinizing a man you demand someone else provide proof of something that has had a far greater number of (more substantial) allegations.”

            Yes, I am being scrutinizing in both cases. What’s the problem with forming conclusions AFTER seeing evidence?

            “If you guys care so fucking much about gaming journalism, why aren’t you looking for proof of paid reviews?”

            You are…replying to a post in which I just asked for any information about paid reviews. Do you know of any? Please tell me. I am BEGGING you

            “without rushing to defend some dude from the evil lying woman strawman you’ve all got in your closets.”

            What strawman? Everything I’ve said about Quinn is accurate, and I’ve been able to prove them, with citations.

          • hams

            Do you know what citations means? It doesn’t mean facebook chat logs. It doesn’t mean 100% of the ‘evidence’ coming from one person.

            Sorry I haven’t done your ethics in gaming journalism job for you. I don’t give a shit about paid reviews because I don’t give a shit about gaming journalism. I’m questioning why GG puts so little effort into anything that isn’t attacking and defaming a woman?

          • Smazeli

            So, you don’t know about any paid reviews, but are certain they’re happening? I’m sorry for asking, I sincerely wanted to know if you heard of any

            “I’m questioning why GG puts so little effort into anything that isn’t attacking and defaming a woman?”

            They do. You’re just unaware because the media thinks mean tweets are more newsworthy than money raised for charity.

            “Do you know what citations means? It doesn’t mean facebook chat logs.”

            Why don’t facebook chat logs count? They’re a record of Quinn’s conversations, in which she admits to the affairs. Are you suggesting they’re fake? Because Gjoni posted videos of himself logging into facebook and browsing the same chatlogs.

          • hams

            NOT DIFFICULT TO FAKE. Entire websites can be faked, he certainly had enough time to do it. If chinese gold farmers can replicate the entire world of warcraft site to snoop passwords, faking a facebook chat is pretty fucking easy. It’s not proof, sorry dude. Maybe a voice recording but oh, I guess he never thought to try that huh?

            Ok so now you think there aren’t any paid reviews happening at all? Not even suspicious of it? OK. That’s on you, not me. I think ethics in games journalism is about as fuckin clown college as it gets, remember?

            I’m not unaware, I just don’t think a paltry amount of money to charity balances out an avalanche of stalking, death threats, and rape threats. Ya’ll are trying to stick up for GG in here but you can’t refrain from being misogynist for long enough to do that!

            Your evidence is so fucking weak. I’ve seen chemtrail dudes and moon landing denialists present a better claim than you melvins

          • Smazeli

            “NOT DIFFICULT TO FAKE. Entire websites can be faked, he certainly had
            enough time to do it. If chinese gold farmers can replicate the entire
            world of warcraft site to snoop passwords, faking a facebook chat is
            pretty fucking easy. It’s not proof, sorry dude.”

            To clarify, no chinese gold farmers have ever cloned the entire world of warcraft site. At best they’ve recreated the frontpage login, which is relatively minor. But Gjoni uploaded a video of him logging into and browsing facebook to show off the chatlogs. You did see it, right? Are you suggesting he personally recreated a fully-functioning facebook and their proprietary chat app? Please tell me. Also, if they were fake, wouldn’t Quinn say so at some point? She’s never even attempted to deny them.

            “Ok so now you think there aren’t any paid reviews happening at all? Not even suspicious of it? OK.”

            I never said that. I am suspicious, which is why I asked you to tell me anything you know about paid reviews, because I would LOVE to know about them. I mean if you’re so certain, then you should have some evidence, right?

            “I’m not unaware, I just don’t think a paltry amount of money to charity
            balances out an avalanche of stalking, death threats, and rape threats.”

            I wouldn’t consider $130,000+ trivial. And unlike the “avalanche”, it can be proven that the donated money exists.

            By the way did you personally see all the stalking and rape threats? Because I asked Quinn to show us some and she blocked me. So did Brianna Wu. Weird huh?

            “but you can’t refrain from being misogynist for long enough to do that!”

            What have I written that approaches misogyny?

      • Michael Lindsay

        And that’s why they are all here shouting about an obscure developer who produced a free game.

        Uh huh.

    • PAZ

      I’m sorry but this is totally unfair to the other dumbest things in the world that don’t want have anything to do with GamerGate

    • FullMcIntwit

      At least we can back ourselves with facts. Media rather spoon feed the stupid a false narrative. Just asked the UVA frats how it felt to be Rolled and Stoned.

      • Proto Man

        Yes those poor frats having their noble names dragged through the mud. Won’t somebody stand up for the frat boys?

  • Roan Filatova

    Sources? Sounds kind of one sided.

    • Casey Snow

      Huh? This is based on interviews. What are you talking about?

    • PAZ

      …those are interviews… the sources are the interviewed ones…

      I’m sorry but do you know what the word “source” means..?

      • Casey Snow

        It’s just Gamergate Tactics 101. Shout the words BIAS! LIES! AGENDA! And then demand PROOF! LOGIC! EVIDENCE! FACTS! … all while having no idea what any of those words mean.

        • PAZ

          I read the article again. There are the interviews and some personal considerations of the author. Something about Wu (that can be easily checked online).

          Really, what is “one sided”?

        • Shucky Ducky

          Yes, we know…facts are harassment, socrates was a harasser of women, sjw made up fallacies tell me so.

          • Casey Snow

            If anyone else in this comment section needs proof that gamergaters just spew out a bunch of buzzwords when they post… there ya go.

          • PAZ

            …This is a human language..? What are you trying to say..?

  • Shucky Ducky

    Story is false, woman was a well trained troll, a denizen of the early “hell dump” forums, where cyberbullying was taken to the next level, resulting in a forum which achieved a body count from suicide, as such it was wiped from the net, it was that toxic. Its no wonder she’s so good at playing this game, she’s an expert in the narrative.

    She plays victim in public but the acts of an immature instigator are what we actually have found.

    • Casey Snow

      Wow. Just look at all that blurry, meaningless crap! I’m sold!

      • Shucky Ducky

        So sold your side flagged my post so its waiting to be moderated.
        The truth is something to fear I guess.

        • Casey Snow

          * shrugs * It wasn’t me. Must be those insidious gamejournopros! They are behind everything.

        • hams

          Great so you’ve proven that ZQ has a sense of humor. I congratulate you on your excellent ethical journalism skills.

  • Geoff Capriola

    so gjoni says that she slept with five guys during and after they dated yet he doesn’t have any proof and there’s people out there calling zoe a liar. wow.

    also, i have a strong feeling, although i’m not 100% sure but pretty damn close to it, that i figured out why zoe broke up with him. and it’s not that difficult to figure it out. it’s simple; it’s because he’s a crybaby.

    • Smazeli

      The proof he included were in the chatlogs posted, in which Quinn admitted to the relationships.

      Also several of the ‘five guys’ also publicly admitted to being in a romantic relationship with Quinn during the timeframe. One of them was married, the guy’s wife was understandably incensed with Quinn. Especially after she denied knowing he was married, in a tweet she later deleted after the wife stepped forward to remind her that they had been introduced before.

      • Jason Zolina

        Here’s a question: why does it fucking matter who someone else sleeps with, especially if they aren’t personally linked to you in any way? Why would rape and murder be an acceptable response to consenting adults doing what they want in private?

        • Smazeli

          Normally, it wouldn’t. Unless those relationships are a matter of basic press disclosure, as is the case when any self-described journalist is providing 70% of all the internet’s coverage of his girlfriend’s project

          Normally a minor issue, but it becomes more personal when the outlet in question starts issuing mass banning to any readers who ask if a relationship took place. Doubly so when the outlet starts accusing the same people and their sympathizers of being misogynists. Triply so when

          “Why would rape and murder be an acceptable response to consenting adults doing what they want in private?”

          It’s obviously not. The murder threats exist in response to anyone working in the game industry, which is sadly a very common thing. There is no shortage of male game developers who have also gotten death threats over things as petty as adjusting stats. But none of them have been the subject of media coverage for it, for reasons that I’m not clear on. Probably because they know that promoting the attacks only creates more of them. I wish Quinn would eventually realize this.

          • Jason Zolina

            HAHAHA 70% of all the internet? Holy shit dude, are you high?

          • Smazeli

            Use google’s selective date range search feature. Prior to being harassed, Depression Quest received little to no coverage from the game media, even from smaller outlets. The majority of it came from Nathan Grayson, while he was working for RPS and then later for Kotaku, before the game was even completed. This is the same journalist referred to in Eron’s post and whom Quinn admitted to having a relationship with

            Afterwards, Quinn started tweeting about getting death threats and mysterious phonecalls from Wizardchan users, all the following media coverage of her was done in the context of her being a victim of attacks. Soon after her game was greenlit by a flood of users wanting to support her after reading the new articles

            Prior to this she also claimed that they were flooding her Steam Greenlight page with negative and toxic reviews, but she later deleted this tweet once people started pointing out that her greenlight page was nearly empty. The ZoePost came several months later.

          • Proto Man

            “Oh death threats are just part of the industry, she should really just get over it”

            L-O-L do you even read the things you post or are you just like a spambot of terrible opinions?

          • Smazeli

            That’s not an actual quote of mine. But what I said isn’t an opinion. It’s a raw and sad fact, death threats in the game industry ARE common. Nothing about Quinn’s situation is unique, aside from the media coverage and her habit of promoting her tormentors, which provides a rational explanation as to why she keeps getting them. Even the guys who made the mobile version of Dungeon Keeper don’t get death threats to their families anymore.

          • Proto Man

            You’re right, it’s not a quote of yours, good job. I just summarized your point, which is that death threats are common in the game industry and that somehow this is supposed to be acceptable, so you don’t get why the media’s making a fuss over Quinn? Here, let me help you understand: the media is making a fuss over Quinn because although harassment of creators has existed online for ages, Quinn has somehow become the focal point for a wave of hatred, with dedicated hashtags. Even if Quinn’s situation were not unique (and it is unique) why is it so bad that she’s speaking out? If anything, creators should be rallying behind her because, newsflash, death threats are not good.

            Screw ethics in games journalism, if anything the entirety of the GamerGate debacle has taught me that gamers as a whole need to learn a little about ethics in human decency. Doing things to developers like sending them death threats, doxxing them, siccing SWAT teams on them, and harassing their families are not acceptable acts, especially over something like their personal lives. I’m sure far too many GGers will leap to claim that those acts are a false flag op by anti-GGers, but everybody needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and consider that maybe just because a game got better or worse press than you personally think it should’ve gotten doesn’t mean you should make it your life’s work to ruin a person.

          • Smazeli

            Thank you for the thorough response that directly answers my question. I really do appreciate it! Despite the personal insults you’ve sent my way. Let’s go through it:

            ” I just summarized your point, which is that death threats are common in
            the game industry and that somehow this is supposed to be acceptable,”

            No, I said it was common and not really news-worthy, which is very different than saying they should be accepted! The fact that they’re so common makes them less acceptable, not more

            “Quinn has somehow become the focal point for a wave of hatred, with dedicated hashtags.”

            Here’s the thing, Quinn herself is not the focal point of GG. You can go onto the gamergate forums or do a search for the hashtag and see for yourself, that most discussion going on has nothing to do with Quinn, and she only comes up in conversation once a month when she accuses them of being a hate group or something. And when someone you’re never met or spoken to accuses you of sexism, how do you prove otherwise? That’s what they’ve been struggling to find an answer for. The only cited evidence of Quinn being “the” focal point of GG come entirely from Quinn’s own claims. And THOSE claims contradict Brianna Wu’s claims that GamerGate is really all about her.

            Also, being subjected to a twitter storm aided by accompanying hashtags is also not new, not even in the gaming industry. There was also the hashtag accompanying round of threats the Bioware staff got over the Mass Effect 3 ending, along with Doritosgate, and the twitter feed of every US politician ever.

            “Even if Quinn’s situation were not unique (and it is unique) why is it so bad that she’s speaking out?”

            Because she encouraging further toxic behavior by promoting trolls and encouraging further threats with rewards of attention and control. Furthermore, she’s directly encouraged internet mobs to burn other groups to the ground (look up with what happened to TFYC, they had their website hacked and replaced with “DON’T FUCK WITH ZOE” after doxxing them and tweeting DDoS instructions to her followers). And she presents an account to the media that directly contradicts what most everyone else in the industry has experienced. The media is now convinced that gamers are a uniform group of anti-social monsters, and that the game industry is sexist as hell (which is contradicted by the often-ignored accounts of every women who is actually working in the game industry)

            She’s even convinced you that gamers in general lack human decency and that there’s some secret cabal of dudes conspiring to ruin women for no reason other than being woman. Yet somehow this cabal manages to not notice the hundreds of other prominent female developers to focus on one that has about as much experience as a first-year game design student.

            I mean listen to yourself, you’re lashing out and calling horrible names toward random people on the internet that you’ve never even met.

            “I’m sure far too many GGers will leap to claim that those acts are a false flag op by anti-GGers”

            No, they’ll probably claim that no developer has been SWATted, and that Zoe Quinn has never been doxxed.

          • Proto Man

            Quinn’s not the focal point, yes, but she is definitely a focal point. She comes up in the GG-related news far more often than any other GamerGate-related topic, except for maybe Sarkeesian. Look man, I’ve got nothing against you, and I’ll readily admit I haven’t hung out on Gamergate forums, but I am a gamer and I do spend a lot of time on the internet and on game forums and I know that there’s a lot of shitty people out there, just as well as you do. Gamer culture is not a toxic lost cause, but there are a lot of bad people out there making gamers look bad. If you are a Gamergater (I can only assume you are), anti-gamergate people running false flag ops are not the ones making you look bad, it’s pro-gamergate people who do stupid things under your banner.

            Personally I think there’s an inherent problem with Gamergate in that at this point, the name/hastag “Gamergate” has become so synonymous with terrible people doing terrible things and spewing terrible bile on the internet that it can’t be taken seriously. Look at the “Actually it’s about [x] in [x]” meme. To the world at large, GamerGate is just a group of misogynist babies who hide behind the pretense of ethics in order to try to push their regressive worldviews onto the gaming community. GamerGate in it’s current form is a lost cause. If there are people in that community who really do just want to do things to effect game journalism, they need to break ties with GG and the fiasco that’s surrounding it. Go make a new forum with a catchy name, something like that.

        • Jack

          First, the problem was proof. Now the problem is why the proof doesn’t matter.

          Keep hauling those goalposts, Antis.

          • Jason Zolina

            It wasn’t me asking. You can still go fuck yourself though.

        • videmus

          Exactly. A woman is free to choose whom she sleeps with, it doesn’t matter if Gjoni considered her his girlfriend, it’s HER choice. These shamers need to get with the times. Strong women like Zoe have long liberated themselves from the shackles of patriarchal norms. It’s the 21st century, guys!

          When Zoe made a state-of-the-art text game in a sophisticated programming language called “HTML” (which, by the way, even veteran coders have trouble with), we should have all applauded her achievement. These men who Gjoni tried to smear were in fact wonderful and kind people who understood the significance of Zoe’s contribution to the art and science of game development, and did their utmost to let the world know about her and her game. That they would fall in love with such a bright and beautiful woman was inevitable. I say congratulations to Zoe for making one of the greatest text games and for being a lovely person, and a big thank you to all the enlightened men who fought for her and continue to fight for her.

  • Nuge

    You know something tells me the author would care more if the sexes were reversed in this case.

  • Wavinator

    Zachary Jason crafts an excellent villain narrative involving a pure victim and an obsessed stalker commanding the unseen, spooky powers of technology and a faceless, raging mob. It’s great for hack fiction. Bad for ethical reporting.

    And it’s your clue that you’re being sold something.

    What is Helldump? Why are threats, doxing, firings, blacklisting and harassment unreported when directed at those resisting corruption, collusion and rising censorship in the gaming world?

    Why are you being sold a fairy tale with stereotypes?

    The narrative: Gamers are worse than ISIS! Raging! Deranged! A mob! Klan daycare! Wailing hyperconsumers!

    And poor, defenseless women are being driven from tech! No, no, not Kellee Santiago! Not Julie Uhrman! Not Robin Hunicke! Not any number of women who manage their careers just fine.

    No, so says the person who extols the virtues of multilevel marketing and now makes 6 figures in donations. So says the person with a history of harassing people in the trans community. So says someone who claims to have stabbed and killed a man.

    If you’ve heard of none of this, then its a further sign that you’re being sold something. The question is what?

    With Wil Wheaton calling for the end of internet anonymity and words like “domestic terrorism” being bandied about, is the bid to surrender liberty for a little safety? Don’t you care about women?!

    When law enforcement can deal with a credible threat like that to kidnap Justin Bieber, who receives more hate mail than the subject of this well crafted hit piece could dream, but for some reason draws a blank at KKK 2.0, achieving NO ARRESTS in NINE months, ask yourself again: What are you being sold?

    • Sarcasm

      well, mr used car salesman, I’d suggest you’re attempting to sell us the standard goober lies.

      • Smazeli

        Could you point out one or a few lies in there?

        • Sarcasm

          I could, but I long ago stop caring to supply simple google searches for lazy Internet users.

          • Smazeli

            But you care enough to keep posting here?

            I mean, when people ask me to prove my posts, I provide the proof. Because it’s really easy and only takes a few seconds.

          • Sarcasm

            cool! why don’t you just leap to the massive media collusion conspiracy theory and call it even.

          • Smazeli

            Why would you want to hear me say something that isn’t true? That doesn’t make any sense

          • Sarcasm

            being truthful never stopped #gamergate before.

          • jparr

            I keep hearing this over and over again, yet I have yet to have a single person actually provide arguments against Gamergate points. A lot of name calling, a lot of threats, a lot of vitriol, a lot of elaborate murder fantasies, or sometimes a eloquent “U LIE” without elaboration.

            I’m starting to think there is no counterargument and any suggestion otherwise is some sort of internet masturbation.

          • Sarcasm

            happy to help, guy. first read this article. then, critically think.

      • Wavinator

        Your rebuttal would be far more effective to neutral parties if you specify the distortion or mischaracterization. I’d appreciate a chance to defend or correct.

        • Sarcasm

          that’s because you are meant to be afraid. it could happen to YOU.

          • Wavinator

            I’ll take your non-answer as a concession that you have no facts.

    • Craig Brooks

      So the countless women who HAVE come out with stories and have been driven out of tech…just making it all up, right?

    • Spikier Than Thou

      We’re being sold a fairy tale with stereotypes because that’s what your masters want to sell us. Let’s dissect your comment.

      First of all, if you’d actually read the article you’d notice a lot of railing AGAINST the notion that Zoë Quinn is somehow perfect. *You* claim she’s presented as a perfect victim; *SHE* claims that she’s a messed up person who writes about messing up. (She uses stronger language, but I’m not sure if the filters will pass it.) Your first paragraph is at odds with what the article actually says – to the point where I wonder if you even read the initial article or just skimmed it to determine slant and then slapped a bunch of gator memes on.

      What is Helldump? A leading question, that’s what. If your faction is telling the truth, it sounds like a terrible place inhabited by nasty people. In short, it sounds like Reddit, 4chan, 8chan, or Disqus. All /baphomet/ posters are ‘orrible people, right? Even the gator who tried to convince them that they should stick to pranking and drop the swattings?

      Why the lack of media coverage of harassment targeting gators? I’d say it’s mostly a credibility issue. A lot of gator claims are factually incorrect, and trivially verifiable as same. Presented with a group that lies about the content of *what they just read*, it’s easy to dismiss claims that actually require *work* to fact-check as probably just more lies. Additionally, some of the claimed harrassment is gator-on-gator – /baphomet/ attacking the poster who told them they went too far, unnamed e-celebs feuding with KingOfPol.

      The claim that gamergate resists corruption, collusion, and censorship is untrue. A large fraction of gators are actively pro-censorship when it comes to politics they disagree with. Gator news sources provide glowing coverage to developers they perceive as pro-gamergate, and frequently neglect to disclose personal involvement in the story (Ralph and Milo talking about the autoblocker, for example.)

      You claim that the article pushes the narrative that ‘gamers are worse than ISIS’ First, does the article actually claim that Gamergate represents the opinions of most gamers, or that the majority of gamers represent Gamergate? Second, where does the article actually say that Gamergate (or gamers as a whole) are worse than ISIS? The article describes Gamergate as a hate mob making terroristic threats to achieve political goals. ISIS does this too. ISIS also has *actually murdered a lot of people*, making them measurably much worse than Gamergate.

      Raging, deranged, mob? Sure, but the author is talking about Gamergate, not about gamers as a whole.

      Klan daycare? Wailing hyperconsumers? That’s… not in this article. Did you put your pasta in the wrong place?

      I do think that it would be good for analyses to remember *and publish* that not all women are driven from tech – the fact that the media only mentions the people being harrassed gives the impression that radical antifeminists are more powerful than they are – and in turn inadvertantly helps intimidate women who *aren’t* targeted by antifeminist hate mobs.

      Wil Wheaton calling for the end of anonymity? He’s terribly privilegedly wrong in this, and has been called out quite a bit.

      Is the bid to surrender liberty for a little safety? Probably, but you’re not digging enough. The architects of gamergate (as opposed to the initial burgers-branded harrassment) are outspoken advocates of tighter government control over speech and opponents of individual privacy. If the government reacts to Gamergate by taking away our anonymity and openly curbing privacy, then Milo and Adam have WON a major political goal that they’ve been carrying for years. And having the people Milo used to mock as basement dwelling slobs in yellowing underwear take the reputation hit for it? I don’t think he’ll be too upset about it
      .

      ‘No arrests in nine months’ doesn’t mean much. It took almost seven months for them to pop FamedGod. It took YEARS to get OBL. The FBI spent a year investigating a plot against Obama – which is pretty high up the priority chain IIRC.

  • Orion Starfire

    What a psycho. Eron is a monster

    • PAZ

      Yep. The true hero that GamerGate deserves.

    • Nuge

      Even though Zoe Quinn, by her definition, raped him?

      • Zennistrad

        “By her definition?” As in, not by the actual definition?

        • Nuge

          Yes, It’s up to her to to own up to her screw-ups. It’s called accountability. But then again radical fems aren’t known for their lack of hypocrisy.

          • GP

            “It’s up to her to own up to her screw-ups.” And yet here you are, on a pump-and-dump account whining like a baby up and down the thread about how horrible she is? Also, you don’t know what a radfem is, do you? Shoo! Back to Channit with you!

          • Nuge

            Apparently I’m not the one of guilty of “whining like a baby” on this comment section. Hell, some people make a career out of the complaining about the mean tweets they receive. And I’m not from 4chan you miserable little child.

          • GP

            Calm yourself, Hulkomanic. I included a reference to Reddit in there too, duh.

          • Nuge

            Don’t project, honey. The only person getting fumed here is you.

          • MinaJen

            Uh….mean tweets are, “You’re a jerk.” “I want to rape you and t hen kill you and then rape you again” are a little more than mean…

          • Nuge

            Compared to the general mean tweets, those are obviously few.

          • hams

            Oh, well as long as YOU don’t think there are too many, then it’s all fine and dandy.

          • GP

            Sure thing, baby. Sugar-pie, honey bunch. Sweet cheeks. Love. M’duck.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Because she allegedly cheated? Nope she didn’t rape anyone. No it doesn’t justify what was done to her in any way shape or form.

        • ADevilNeverCry .

          “Because she allegedly cheated?

          She admired to cheating on him.
          By her own definition, she raped him.

          • Michael Lindsay

            She didn’t rape anyone and who Quinn or Gonj boinked aint anyone’s business but their own.

            Seriously, all these people who get all hot under the collar because of other people’s affairs. Maybe you’d be happier at a gossip site! Might I suggest Jezebel?

        • Nuge

          Tell that to her. I find it funny how people seek to extend the definition of rape and deny they committed it when they fall into that definition.

          • Smazeli

            What he means is that Zoe Quinn once described the act of cheating on your spouse as a form of rape, since you are misrepresenting yourself and “tricking” your partner into having sex with you

          • Michael Lindsay

            So, a definition of rape you already disagree with is something you’ll happily use to use on those you don’t like?

            Riiighhht.

        • Bruce Bane

          Allegedly cheated? She admitted that she slept with other people while in a relationship. Denying that means you are saying ZQ is lying.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You lot should be embarrassed with what you think are “gotcha” moments. Allegedly means exactly that. IDK and I don’t care if Quinn slept with all five guys-because other people’s sex lives aren’t my business.
            Point is-“sleeping with” don’t mean “raping” unless one party isn’t consenting. The whole “she’s totes a rapist” BS is just thrown up there to distract from the awful stuff that GG and Gonj did and are doing.

          • Bruce Bane

            They should be if it was used to benefit’s one career. Unless you think this is perfectly acceptable and moral behavior?

          • Michael Lindsay

            If it benefited her career it was because the GoatGropers helped put her in the spotlight with their insane and toxic behavior.

            Same with Sarkeesian-who was relatively unknown before a bunch of misogynist creeps helped propel her to fame, you turning your bile up to 11 on the targets of your hatred only helps their image if only because it makes you look disgusting by comparison!

    • Smazeli

      I agree. Victim’s of relationship abuse should not talk about their experiences, ESPECIALLY if it might make their abuser look bad.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Flip the genders, man considers infidelity a form of rape, states this, and then goes and cheats on his girlfriend with 5 people. This man then claims he is the victim after the woman publishes a screed against him on the internet….

      Lets not pretend this man would be given sympathy.

      • Zennistrad

        He wouldn’t be given sympathy because if he were a man nobody would be spamming his nudes at him and attacking and demeaning his sexuality. If anything, he might even have been praised in PUA circles for having sex with five different women in such a short time.

        • Nuge

          Does he even have nudes? LOL! If those nudes were legally attained to really have nothing to complain about. And as if being praised by radfems is any better?

          • Zennistrad

            “If those nudes were legally attained to really have nothing to complain about.”

            Wrong. Spamming someone’s nudes to someone and their family for the intention of humiliating and demeaning their sexuality is wrong, period. Doesn’t matter how they were obtained.

          • Live the dream

            When tiger woods was caught cheating on his wife with what was it 15 women? He totally wasn’t mocked for doing so at all right?

          • Zennistrad

            Being mocked and being harassed for months on end are not comparable events.

          • Smazeli

            Yeah I guess losing multi million-dollar deals isn’t quite comparable to receiving mean tweets and emails (which Tiger woods also got)

          • hams

            Poor Tiger Woods, now he’s living in a cardboard box because he lost his sponsorships, boo hoo

          • hams

            So….mocking is on the same level as harassment, rape threats, and death threats?

          • Nuge

            Humility is a virtue.

          • Craig Brooks

            Know what else is a virtue? Not being an asshole to someone by trying to humiliate them.

          • hams

            My dude, I have the most sincere doubts that you have any idea what that means.

          • Smazeli

            The nudes weren’t “obtained”, they were sitting openly on the porn sites Quinn previously worked for. She consented to publicly release them years ago because as a model it was part of her basic job.

          • Brenna Noonan

            And here in the great state of California it’s also illegal as fuck.

        • Live the dream

          What are you talking about nude photos of men have been spread before. I believe a man has even appologized for having his nudes leaked by someone else. It wasn’t even his fault but he apologized anyway?

          There is a hulk hogan sex tape on gawker… how is that not sexual shaming?

    • JennyS

      Your right .. I gave Depression Quest a 10/10.

      I think it was because of him that she doxed herself on wizardchan. She must have had PTSD after she raped him.

    • Young Yurk

      shoo, back to tumblr with you

      • Craig Brooks

        Shoo, back to Infinite Chan with you.

        • Young Yurk

          lol quick, before different opinions gives you PTSD

        • Young Yurk

          LOL I forgot, opposite opinions give you PTSD. Go tell tumblr how oppressed you are cuz your dad didn’t buy you the barbie you wanted LOL!

    • Jona

      No, he’s a mentally ill young man.

      • Michael Lindsay

        He can be both. We don’t actually know whether or not strangers on the internet suffer from mental illnesses but regardless, Eron is aware of the consequences of his actions and capable of changing them.

        Also, good therapy for the mentally ill most certainly is not becoming dangerously obsessed with ex lovers and violating court orders.

  • FullMcIntwit

    So Eron has an unconstitutional gag placed on him. Zoe get’s to run around slandering him. Media eat it up (it’d be hilarious if afterwards Eron could successfully sue all outlets running these Rolled over and Stoned articles).

    Hey did you ask Zoe about her crippling helldump addiction? Or how about how she even had a hand in her own harassment at times. Archived from her own account: https://web.archive.org/web/20140913162412/https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy

    Retweets Teridax; “Just got some more codes, first ten people to tweet ‘Drop dead (Zoe’s handle) #GamerGate’ get a #SSB4 code!”

    Followed by Zoe’s own tweet: “Go get some free games, guys”

    I don’t she can wiggle her way out of that one. She knew what she was doing and it only begs the question, how many other times has she had a hand in her own harassment.

    Or how about her pre-jury in the case that ended up gagging Eron?

    https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23

    I’d say if anyone is play a game of fear, it’s Zoe striking fear into Eron. But no the media needs it’s juicy false narrative to shovel down the throats of fat pigs that’ll “L’is’ten ‘a’nd Be’lie’ve”.

    • Zennistrad

      Her participation in Helldump does not magically make what happened to her any less bad. It’s completely irrelevant.

      That tweet in response to Teridax was not her “having a hand in her own harassment.” She was using sarcasm to point out the fact that Teridax was being a douche.

      That Medium post, finally, shows no evidence of perjury, and its entire argument is based on debunking what the affidavit SOUNDS like, rather than what it’s actually saying.

      Sorry buddy, but you’ve got nothing.

      • Smazeli

        “That Medium post, finally, shows no evidence of perjury, and its entire argument is based on debunking what the affidavit SOUNDS like, rather than what it’s actually saying.”

        After the medium post went up, Zoe Quinn talked about it in a blog post. She agreed that it contained bad info, but the only reason the affidavit contains factual inaccuracies is because a police officer wrote it and took some details wrong when she dictated her story to him. Even though it’s in her handwriting

        and even though she’s legally required to read over and approve of every word contained before submitting it

        • Zennistrad

          The Medium post went up on December 23. I’ve searched her Twitter and found no evidence that she posted anything related to the Medium post in the week after it went up. I would appreciate it if you can show me where she made this claim, until then I’m going to remain skeptical.

          • iLoveGames

            Ever consider that she, i don’t know, deleted the tweets? I mean…that is entirely possible.

          • Zennistrad

            Anything is possible. It’s what you can show evidence for that matters.

      • hams

        “you’ve got nothing”

        Like they’d let that stop em

    • Brenna Noonan

      You realize that Gjoni posted an almost 10,000 word document actively slandering Zoe right? Zoe’s not the one who has repeatedly violated a court-ordered restraining order with impunity.

      • Bruce Bane

        Slander means falsehood. Gjoini presented plenty of evidence that ZQ is crazy and to this day, ZQ hasn’t even denied any of yet.

  • Michael Lindsay

    You know the funniest part about all of this? All those GamerGaters in the months following swore blind that it wasn’t all about their hate-on for one woman so they started calling Zoe “literally who”. Their way of saying it wasn’t all about Zoe or her ex who’s dedicated his life to, er, “internet warfare.”

    But look at all those GG fanboys in the comments.

    Must be something about “ethics in videogame journalism”. Right?

    • PAZ

      So much ethics…

    • Smazeli

      But you also post in multiple GG comment threads. In love, maybe?

      • Michael Lindsay

        So all the Gators here screaming about “literally who” are here because their critics are the ones who are obsessed-yah really.

        • JamesPiekko1

          the block list should extend to the whole internet, not just twitter.

        • Smazeli

          “So all the Gators here screaming about “literally who””

          Are you sure you aren’t imagining this? No one is screaming.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I just wish I was imagining this, surreal as it is.

          • Smazeli

            I don’t think you use the same definition of “screaming” as everyone else. Normally in a textual context, post would have to be in ALL CAPS to imply screaming.

            And who are you quoting? Not any posts made in the past two hours. The last time I sent a bunch of factual corrections your way, you ran out of the thread without so much as a “thank you”.

          • hams

            Calm down Melvin. You’re aware of abstract concepts right? The tone of the language is pretty clear to anyone with basic social skills. Just because it’s not following your ‘all caps’ rule doesn’t make it wrong.

    • Nuge

      Aw, look another hipster snark post. Haven’t seen those in a while. It’s a great attempt at showcasing your originality.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Struck a nerve did I? So-how goes your obsession with “literally who”?

        • Nuge

          This coming from a group of people who think depicting sexuality is a step backwards?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh the mythical SJWs? Or is it Public Enemy’s SIWs-I get them mixed up.

            Try critiquing a group that actually exists!

          • Nuge

            I take it you’ve never been to Tumblr. Either that or you are one who can’t come to terms with himself.

          • hams

            So it’s ok to lump an entire social media platform together, but it’s not ok to lump a self-selected group who identify under a hashtag together??

            Ya’ll can’t even hold your shit together for 5 minutes without running ass-backwards over your own arguments

          • Nuge

            Didn’t say it was all of Tumblr did I? I myself have a Tumblr account.

          • hams

            How nice for you. Backpedal all you like.

          • Vanessa Ray

            There’s a HUGE difference between sexy & downright misogyny.

          • Nuge

            Oh you don’t need to tell me that. Tell it to the puritanical idiots who scream “sexism” every time a character is showing some skin while ignoring context.

          • Bruce Bane

            I have yet to see SJW explain the difference. These are the same feminists that just sent a bomb threat to ProteinWorld because they had an ad campaign with a fit skinny woman on the posters.

  • Frieda

    When the whole kerfuffle began, I had this naive belief that if I was patient, if I presented facts and held hands and walked step-by-step through the critical thinking process, that there might be one or two gamergaters, relatively smart ones, that might go:

    “huh. Wow… Guess I shouldn’t believe every grammatically incorrect rant I see typed anonymously in the creepy dungeons of the internet. Seems like anyone with basic critical thinking skills and an understanding of the internet could quickly deduce how obviously falsified/out of context/overexaggerated every single one of these claims have turned out to be. Thank you, kind internet stranger! Now I know how to think for myself and consider the source of my information!”

    So I debated. I argued. I patiently explained. I cajoled. I joked. On and on. If it was simply a matter of “they disagree with me, but at least they had an internally consistent argument” that would be one thing. Invariably, in literally every single case, the GG’er just didn’t know how to move from one point to the next. They didn’t know how to put together evidence and form a conclusion without coming from a predetermined endpoint. The conversations went like this:

    Me: “OK. So, have you considered point A?”
    GG: “UMMM EXCUSE ME I think you are forgetting point Z!!!!”
    Me: Point Z…? Uh… OK, let’s start at the beginning and walk through the logic and we’ll get to point Z. So… point A?”
    GG: POINT A IS FOR COMMUNISTS.
    Me: OK. Concentrate now. Take your time. Point. A.
    GG: Point 203!
    Me: That’s not even… look, if you disagree with me, start with point A, take me through to point B and explain why. You’re giving me nothing but non sequitur and strawmen. If you can’t make logical connections between your assumptions then you don’t have an argument. So… after point A comes….?
    GG: Point…. purple?
    Me: Purple is a colour.

    So, I’ve given up. Even when they seem almost rational at the beginning, that usually breaks down. They’re parrotting things that they saw in a Thunderfoot video, they’re not thinking, if you try to make them think they just short-circuit and blurt out quotes from different GG youtube videos. This is, unfortunately, also why they’re dangerous to people like Quinn, who is still getting abusive messages over sleeping with someone for an imaginary review. You can’t reason with them because they don’t know what reason is. Their goal is to fuel their outrage, not to come to just and reasonable conclusions.

    • Casey Snow

      I know that feel. Gamergaters expect you to be able to calculate all quantum variables simultaneously in the observable universe in order for your point to be valid, but when it comes to be their turn to bring something to the table, they conflate, hoist their agendas unto ramshackle conjectures, and project project project. It’s like trying to nail jello to a wall but you can’t even use a hammer… just more jello.

      • Frieda

        I kind of love that analogy and want to steal it.

      • Smazeli

        I don’t know, going through this thread, most of the links and citations seem to be coming from those in favor of GG.

        • Casey Snow

          Their citations, by and large, are also from GG. That doesn’t count.

          • Smazeli

            Evidence posted by GG doesn’t count? Why? Does this apply to all of it?

          • Casey Snow

            The sources are gamergate sources. There is very little unbiased information to be had.

          • Smazeli

            I posted a link to Zoe Quinn’s emails, does that count?

          • Casey Snow

            It was off topic, so would it matter even if it counted?

          • Smazeli

            The article is about Zoe Quinn, how is it off topic? Specifically, her stabbing to death an attempted rapist is yet another example of her battle against the sexist monsters that have been attacking her for years now.

            https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

          • Casey Snow

            OMG. You are not one to talk about evidence then. If you want to accuse someone of murder, you better bring your A-Game or GTFO. What is this? No evidence, no dead body and no time frame. Just an email written by someone under an alias. Mike Cernovich had this information back in October, and threatened to bring charges. Of course he is just blowing hot air because there is NO CASE WHATSOEVER and even your “based lawyer” knows this.

          • Smazeli

            Of course there’s no case, because Quinn never named the guy she killed. And I have NEVER accused Quinn of murder, I have only described her act of JUSTIFIABLE self-defense. We’re talking about an attempted rape after all.

            And I did post evidence, in the forms of emails written by Quinn herself. Are you suggesting that they are fake? And that her old friends and coworkers are making up things about her?

          • Casey Snow

            I’m saying that there is no context. Without hard evidence (a body, a weapon, a witness) we only have this e-mail. I don’t know about your perspective, but that seems pretty weak to me. She was young at the time. Young people, especially those who have struggled with depression, say all kinds of things.

          • Smazeli

            I’m pretty certain that a couple of written confessions counts as some hard evidence, as we have in this case. The fact that she was too discrete for the cops to tie physical evidence to her doesn’t invalidate that.

            Also she was in her 20s, well into adulthood. Are you suggesting that she made up the story to garner sympathy? Oh no, I don’t think she would ever do such a thing. Especially not back in her modeling days, when her entire reputation and livelihood didn’t depend on sympathy. That’s just crazy.

          • Casey Snow

            I don’t see a law degree in your future. However, gossip columnist? I might give that a try if I were you…

    • Live the dream

      What are you talking about almost no one has said the word review. It was always about positive coverage.

      • Frieda

        *laughs forever*

        • Live the dream

          Yes positive coverage that was what Total biscuit said on his post on reddit that was censored. positve coverage not reviews. There is evidence of this and scant evidence that the review angle was mentioned at all by people.

          The evidence says you are wrong just ignoring evidence doesn’t prove me wrong.

          • Zennistrad
          • Frieda

            See, everyone, here is a great example. When GG started, I would have talked to this person. I would have sent examples, screenshots of dozens of people telling Zoe Quinn she slept with people for reviews, dozens of conversations on 8chan and reddit, from abusive to harassing to simply rude. The answer this person would come back with is, “well, that’s just some people, GG is big, that’s not a large enough sample size.” So my choice would be to dedicate my life to screenshotting, or to give up. Still, I often followed up with more screenshots, at which point the GG’er would either mysteriously vanish from the conversation, or come back with, “That is a false flag operation,” or possibly, “Third party trolls.” Neither of these claims have a shred of evidence of course, they are simply convenient assumptions. When I asked for evidence, they would usually either disappear, or leap to some other, mostly unrelated tangent to avoid the question (like, for example, attacking some different anti-GG person for a completely unrelated reason in an obvious attempt to put me on the defensive).

            Occasionally, they got creative. One of them called me human garbage and told me he would show me, then “favourited” my tweet like 25 times in an attempt to get my twitter banned as a bot (I guess? Not sure how this works? Not sure how favouriting me a lot very quickly would “show me” unless he was trying to game the twitter flagging system.)

            Another one screencapped several of my tweets and photoshopped them out of order with points missing to make me sound crazy, and then tweeted it to the hashtag so that I would be dogpiled.

            This is why I don’t talk to them anymore.

          • Smazeli

            Odd, I’ve had the same experience with those positioning themselves as GG opponents. What conclusions should I be drawing from that?

          • JamesPiekko1

            its a cluster eff and neither sides are completely innocent despite claims otherwise

        • Derp

          It’s funny that you people accuse “GamerGate” of being conspiracy theorists throwing together things with red lines, yet get your accusations of what GamerGate was supposed to have done from some obscure Storifies devoid of logic and internal consistency, spinning a fine tale like this very article here.
          There’s an original source that states pretty well what the complaints were, Internet Aristocrats video that was viewed 1 million times and started #GamerGate with Adam Baldwin tweeting it in fact states it pretty clear, “positive coverage” including two images of said articles 9 minutes 45 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlsiStPp_OA#t=9m43s

    • Craig Brooks

      At this point, best bet is to block and ignore any and all GG and let them enjoy their own echo chamber of ignorance together. I know my Twitter has been far nicer and less harassment-full since.

    • Michael Lindsay

      George RR Martin recently tried that approach with the Sad and Rabid puppy brigades.

      Doesn’t work. They aren’t there to be rational.

      • Nuge

        Claiming that the idea for both men and women to be held accountable is distasteful and making poor accusations of racism and sexism isn’t very rational.

        • Michael Lindsay

          That isn’t what George wrote. Making judgements on what someone didn’t say is about as far from “rational” as you can get!

  • Jack

    There is alot of filler with very few points made. The hyperbole and amateur psychology are kinda grating.

    This is the sound of crumbling narrative. Lies and professional victimhood don’t quite sell like they used to.

    • Craig Brooks

      The rest of the world find GG grating and their narrative of “we don’t harass” and “we’re about ethics” crumbled pretty much day 1. GG ought to know all about professional victimhood, though. For a group that picks on folks like ZQ claiming they engage in it, you all sure do play the victim daily. “They picked on gamers!” “They’re spreading lies!” “Only we know the real truth!” “I’m trying to engage in debate *sealion sealion*”

      • JamesPiekko1

        exactly, we need more government control on who plays these games as they obviously cause this kind of behavior. I am glad her and others have gone to congress to get something done. Enough is enough

        • MinaJen

          Er, no.
          It’s about going to Congress to illustrate the sort of abuse and harassment targeting people who either 1. Had a shitty end to their relationship, 2. Daring to offer criticism on the types of storytelling techniques and tropes prevalent in the more popular and prestigious games and how they maynot be the best thing ever.

          So maybe people who think it’s cool to make death and rape threats, dox people…might think twice about breaking laws, and therefore will not make rape and death threats, and will not dox people for fear of accountability.

          • JamesPiekko1

            good, and with extradition treaties in place we can get interpol on this as well.

          • Frieda

            Oh wow, I am so convinced. Look at this actual real liberal person and what they actually and really believe. I’m sold, Gamergate.

          • JamesPiekko1

            what good would laws in just usa do when anyone can go on the internet? it needs to be enforced properly to keep them safe from what they say.

          • MinaJen

            You did read the part of the article where she filed a restraining order against him, has repeatedly gone back to court to report violations of this order….and, as the article implies, because of the nature of the violations being on the internet, he has yet to actually face punishment for breaking the law? Where in the interview, he admits to breaking it, and because it’s on the internet and there’s no applicable law to the situation….he has yet to face any ramifications at all?

            But Gjoni’s the victim here, and Zoe Quinn is obviously guilty and deserving of everything.

      • Jack

        You people aren’t the rest of the world and the industry and spoken clearly on where the truth of the matter stands.

        Widespread support for gamers and gaming, while censors and moral panic peddlers are ridiculed into obscurity.

        The fact that they had to pay their way into a congressional hearing on the off-chance of being taken seriously speaks volumes. The narrative continues to crumble.

        • Frieda

          Yes, I heard Anita Sarkeesian weeping over her obscurity as she was photographed on the red carpet at the Time100 gala. Zoe Quinn railed against her obscurity a few weeks ago just before her trip to congress.

          But, you know, Thunderfoot has a Youtube page, so there’s that.

          • Bruce Bane

            You mean the Time 100 where she received 80% no but due to having media connections, they forced her into the top 100? The same woman who, despite having a 200k viewer exposure, couldn’t even push the sales of a game that she endorsed?

            Or Zoe Quinn who had to use her boyfriend’s daddy’s money to buy a politician?

            Sounds legit.

          • Frieda

            Well, SOMEBODY’s been gettin’ their facts from chan boards, eh sport?

            Run along and play outside now, it’s a beautiful day.

          • Bruce Bane

            I saw the vote on Time’s official site and surprise, Wil Wheaton who has been against minoraties and GamerGate writes an article about great of a gamer Anita is (while Anita admits she doesn’t like video games)

            I find it interesting that Time felt that a white woman from a high class family is more influential then minority women like Michelle Obama or Malala Yosufzai.

          • Jack

            Celebrity > Science
            That’s always the way with your types. Anita making it onto Time100 doesn’t speak well of her, it diminishes the integrity of Time100 as it’s known that she isn’t there for a legitimate reason.

            Zoe hasn’t done anything any entitled rich person with an agenda can’t manage.

            Ultimately, what’s accomplished? Neither Zoe nor Anita have managed what they’ve set out to do despite months and thousands spent. Though, ironically, the pushback has made for a brighter future for gaming.

        • Spikier Than Thou

          Gamergate is, to a large degree, a moral panic – take a look at Milo’s first piece, freaking out about how ‘promiscuous programmers’ are destroying the industry. A large fraction of Gamergate supporters are overtly pro-censorship, as evinced by their campaigns to silence critical reviews and political content in games. Breitbart, which is the news outlet which initially popularized Gamergate, is actually BRAGGING about their role in getting an AAA dev to remove offensive content.

          Yes, most game developers support gamers and gaming. That’s kind of a given. But don’t confuse ‘supports gamers’ with ‘supports Gamergate’.

          • Jack

            Breitbart isn’t Gamergate, and Milo mocking Zoe’s hypocrisy isn’t moral panic, that’s just calling it as it is.

            That’s a desperate reach to justify what is essentially Jack Thompson’s second crusade. Devs support gamers and gaming, and by far and large, support the gamers speaking out in Gamergate. For a reason.

            Thankfully, the moral panic troupe haven’t managed much in the wake of it.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            You really should provide a grain of salt with your opinion when telling a dev what most devs think. No, we don’t ‘by far and large’ support Gamergate. Some of us, sure. The overwhelming majority? Oh hell no.

            Breitbart columnists created the Gamergate brand. This is a known fact. Not all gators support Breitbart, but it’s disingenuous to pretend they aren’t linked. I keep seeing Gamergate supporters trying to convince me that it’s okay to censor reviews to keep political content out; I see Gamergate supporters complaining about games having female leads; I see Gamergate supporters trying to silence actual developers who offend them; I see Gamergate supporters talking about the need to purge ‘cultural marxists’ from game development. Sure, maybe that’s ‘not all gamergaters’ – but it’s a disturbingly big subset, and it adds up to a really disturbing picture of what wants to rule my industry.

          • Jack

            You’re a dev, now? You’ll forgive me if I don’t take that at face value.

            You’ll further forgive me if I take the word and support of other prominent and anon outspoken devs in support of what the Gamergate community does.

            That you know nothing of Gamergate outside of Breitbart doesn’t speak to them as much as it speaks to you. Kneejerk reaction against someone you don’t like supporting something. Just turns the hashtag into a boogeyman you can slap onto anything you don’t like, related or not.

            That kinda defines alot of the Antis though. Hypocrisy, censorship, and projection.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Even if you believe the Gamergate party line that their critics keep cracking, doxing, threatening, and swatting themselves, you know that the mainstream world believes Gamergate’s sending the harrassment.
            What position are developers more likely to take when faced with a group that they believe harrasses developers?

            Now, you claim Gamergate is anti-censorship. Fine. We can argue ’till we’re blue in the face about what Gamergate as a whole thinks and not get anywhere, since it’s a huge pack of anons and any evidence either of us musters will look like cherry picking to the other. So let’s talk about YOUR attitude towards censorship. As a Gamergate supporter:

            Do you believe that a reviewer should be allowed to give a game a bad score (say, three stars out of ten) because the reviewer considers the game offensive? Should a reviewer be allowed to say ‘this game is evil and nobody should buy it?’

            Do you believe that a news outlet should be allowed to publish stories that are offensive to their advertisers’ customers, or that harm their advertisers’ image?

            Do you believe that a news outlet should delete comments that accuse their reporters of deliberately propagating lies in an attempt to tarnish the image of gamers?

            Do you believe that a ‘cultural marxist’ should be allowed to embed their ideology in a game that they are writing?

          • Jack

            That’s not a party line, so much as a strawman. The reality is that the so-called ‘critics’ are mostly responsible for and aggressively engaged in the behavior they are lamenting. There’s alot of abuse alright, and it’s nearly wholesale from the Antis.

            We don’t need to argue about what the GamerGate community thinks. We have a wiki:
            gamergate.me

            So if you want to keep beating strawmen, feel free. Anyone interested in what GamerGate is about can feel free to read and explore ’till they are content. There is academic data that demonstrably refutes the narrative. Ignore it at your leisure.

            Those questions are specious. Nobody said that the journalists can’t have opinions. Presenting groundless opinions as fact isn’t journalism, and deleting/censoring all dissent only validates the criticism.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            The reason I asked what YOU think instead of what the community thinks is because ‘the community’ can easily hold self-contradictory opinions. For example, gamergate.me publishes the following statements:

            “Ad revenue is not some nebulous source of free money, it’s a business
            partnership with a company who rightfully expects that the actions of
            whom they are being endorsed by should not reflect negatively on their
            own products and services.” – Fitzgerald, on the Operation Disrespectful Nod discussion page.

            “A strong segregation of duties between the sale of advertisement and
            editorial coverage is the backbone of an ethically functioning
            journalistic outlet.” – EthicsAuditor, analyzing the Escapist’s published ethics policy.

            Debating the content of a wiki with someone who is probably not responsible for more than a small fraction of the content on it is pointless.

            Is your position on harrassment that anti-gamergate is both being abused by Gamergate and abusing them? If that were the case, the right position for a dev to take would be to oppose Gamergate’s enemies AND Gamergate itself.

            |Nobody said that the journalists can’t have opinions. Presenting groundless opinions as fact isn’t journalism

            That bit’s rather imprecise. Can you clarify what you actually mean here?

            |deleting/censoring all dissent only validates the criticism.

            Hm. So, when my post claiming that Milo was tarnishing the image of gamers by falsely claiming that most of us (yes, a dev can be a gamer too, if you’re nit-picking) believe ridiculous hoaxes about Zoë got deleted from Breitbart, that validates my criticism? I think it’s interesting that, of all the anti-gamergate posts I made there, THAT was the one that one of the mods felt needed to be deleted – but it’s a dangerous trap to assume that the more offensive I am, the more right I am.

          • Jack

            The Antis aren’t really subject to much real abuse. People being mean on twitter and being offended are kinda laughable compared to actual swatting, harassing workplaces to get people fired, and the type of hostile slander that tries to prevent people from speaking out publicly. For all of the hyperbole, Antis aren’t the ones having their workplaces rung up with threats and mail campaigns to get them fired. Antis aren’t the ones being rallied against to prevent them from speaking. Nobody is stopping them, nobody is trying to, yet the hostile censorship and actual on that end is real. You’ll never see such vile racism and attacking of women as when one of us speaks out in support of the community.

            Also, if Breitbart moderation is the worst example of censorship you can bring up, then you’re woefully unarmed for this.

            It’s also awkward to complain that Milo is tarnishing the representation of gamers when he isn’t the one claiming to be the voice of the community.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            While I agree with you that mean tweets pale in comparison to swattings and campaigns to get people fired, I’ve *personally observed* Gamergate supporters calling for people to be fired for criticising Gamergate. Not just forwarded screencaps, but actual original tweets. Sometimes it seems like Gamergate’s competing with itself to see what the most absurd hoax they can post about their targets is – which would be funny if they didn’t then act like it was true. (For example, when Brianna Wu was doxed, the 8chan thread upon which it occcurred was promptly filled with anons insisting she’d posted the info herself.)

            I have, further, observed multiple credible reports of attempted swattings against Gamergate’s enemies. Ambient rumour (which I believe to be true but haven’t dug in enough to assign a reliability level to) suggests there have been successful swattings carried out against Gamergate’s enemies.

            Gamergate.me endorses Operation Disrespectful Nod, which is an open attempt to use corporate channels to enforce political censorship over news media. The Escapist’s corporate leadership have been caught ordering their writers not to criticize Gamergate.

            When Milo claims that most gamers are gullible enough to believe that Zoë would stage an attack on herself for political gain, he is in fact insulting an entire demographic.

            So – the hardliners try to swat people, try to run political purges, and try to censor the media. The moderates try to convince me that the hardliners don’t exist. This tells me two things: first, that hardline Gamergate is a very bad thing. Second, that most of moderate Gamergate don’t bother to do even the most basic of digging.

          • Jack

            Very big difference between saying ‘I think they should be fired’ and organizing an effort to identify their workplace and attack their boss and peers until something is done. One is an opinion, the other is action with consequence. Being offended or ‘triggered’ by reading something you don’t like doesn’t compare to crossing that line.

            That’s a large reason of why most of GG remains anonymous while the Antis promote themselves openly. Because the threat to us is real.

            Also, no doubt that Antis have faced alot of flak. Especially after the crap the pulled with 8chan, they made a hell of alot of enemies. #notyoursword was a thing for a while because they begged GG to save them at first before just saying it was all GG to begin with. There is no sympathy for them, they’ve blindly attacked so many people not even associated with GG that there’s no real telling who’s doing what to them. Just certain that they’ve provoked it.

            Now any time they stub their toe on a corner, it’s GG somehow.

            Operation Disrespectful Nod is a far cry from attacking the staff of Kotaku until people are fired. No, mocking them on twitter doesn’t count.

            Also, the corporate channels angle is an awkward comment, given that some of those corporations were colluding with media to begin with. Maybe it’s a misunderstanding or awkward wording of what you are trying to express, but those are sentiments that give the impression that Antis endorse that sort of corruption.

            Some of those sites still get by with no advertisers and have all the free platform they want to preach to their choir, nobody is stopping them. It’s not political censorship to say that those sites don’t represent us. They don’t.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            I have personally observed Gamergate supporters participating in campaigns to convince people’s workplaces to fire them.

            The claim that only gators are anon while anti-gamergate keeps a high media profile is profoundly dishonest. Gamergate actively raises the media profile of their targets. If a pile of your personal info is splattered all over Breitbart and Gamergate’s /baphomet/ board for all your enemies to see, there’s very little point in keeping a low profile on the parts of the ‘net where potential friends and neutrals congregate.

            The goal of Disrespectful Nod is to punish news outlets that have failed to fire the people Gamergate demanded they fire. It’s a clear-cut attempt to promote media corruption.

          • Jack

            You’ll need more than Anecdote on this. Campaigns against people like Dina weren’t specific to GG and weren’t about her politics, but her abuses against backers.

            There’s not even a fine line between that and harassment sent to coworkers and bosses about how their associate is ‘part of a hate group’ and ‘participated in criminal activity’. Not even close.

            The high-profiles of Antis aren’t the result of doxing, they’re the result of shameless self-advertising to the media. There’s a reason they’re in the spotlight while worst things happening to GG supporters are ignored and dismissed.

            You’re also really reaching about Disrespectful Nod to call it censorship because we’re denying our support and not giving them money. We owe them nothing. People don’t need to be fired for accountability. Hell, even Grayson is posting disclosures now.

      • Smazeli

        “The rest of the world”

        I too, like to assume that everyone who hasn’t heard of the issue agrees with me.

  • JamesPiekko1

    watching the baltimore riots reminds me of how #gamergate has been to Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn, it makes me wonder if they are behind that as well.

    • Zennistrad

      Eh, I don’t like GamerGate but that comparison seems kind of tasteless.

      • JamesPiekko1

        that is what they do to women like those two brave victims, no one would have ever thought the skellington guy was real but there he is with his street racing friend, i bet they are in cahoots against all of them as some sort of gamer uprising inspired by their games, t his is what sexism looks like!

      • ADevilNeverCry .

        Get f* rekt you weirdo, you’ve been exposed, maimed and humiliated by so any people in gamergate, and the only thing you’ve done was block them, run like a coward and ask your circle jerk to help you defend yourself.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Got to say I agree. Finding it hard to see a connection here.

        • videmus

          I think what James is trying to say is that the people who started the Baltimore protests are horrible people because they have lead to arson, looting, and physical injury to officers and to even innocent bystanders. Like Gjoni, they gave reason for others to send all kinds of hateful threats online and to commit numerous acts of violence. Maybe they share the same mindset.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Tension between low income residents of poor areas and cops and a guy releasing a manifesto of his grouchiness about his ex to the web inspiring a reactionary online campaign-not really the same thing.

          • videmus

            I mean the violence that they both precipitated. When people send harassing tweets or burn down cars/businesses because of what you started, you did something terribly wrong.

    • Craig Brooks

      Yeahhh…I’m as anti-GG as they come, but that’s a piss poor comparison there.

      • JamesPiekko1

        ever see those GTA games? they have riot modes in there to practice and they can find maps just like where she lives so they can practice rioting outside her house, yet the government does nothing to protect her from being victimized in this way.
        there are all sorts of “mods” they call them just for this thing, i read about them being mad that they had to pay for them too, it figures that they are just like pirates wanting to pillage and rape

      • Zennistrad

        Looking at his comments history I’m almost certain he’s a troll now.

        • JamesPiekko1

          listen and believe

        • ADevilNeverCry .

          LOL You’re a coward…

          You went CRYING to gamerghazi because SARGON completely obliterated your arguments and you couldn’t handle the sheer pressur eof thousands of people completly crushing your idiotic delusions… you went there to ask them for HELP. That’s hat you went there for, to get a bit of reaffirmation, that you were right all along, the Eco-chamber effect as I like to call it.

          So pathetic! You are so pathetic.

          http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/333089/real_talk_for_a_moment_i_dont_know_if_i_can_keep/

          • JamesPiekko1

            facts can be triggering, stop oppressing

          • Zennistrad

            Ah, yes. Sargon, the great intellectual who couldn’t stop himself from strawmanning me even when he was trying to be fair. The man who somehow managed to take my statement where I acknowledged the existence of some cultures that were less restrictive of women’s sexuality and warped it into me saying that ancient cultures were ALWAYS so. The man who, when showed a research paper that provided evidence of cultural factors affecting boys’ ability to assess their own mathematical ability, asked “how is that cultural” when the STUDY ITSELF said so. The man who claims he doesn’t care when women have multiple sexual partners, but goes out of his way to emphasize the “consequences” of doing so, and refers to women in their thirties who’ve had many sexual partners as “used-up slappers.” Because someone who obviously doesn’t care would use such derogatory language to refer to people making the wrong choices that he doesn’t care about.

            Clearly I was only afraid of dealing with intellectual superiors and not, say, a horde of morons who can’t change their mind and won’t change the subject.

        • Michelle Vietor

          Definitely.

      • Bobby

        It’s a good day when a GG’er and an anti-GG’er can agree on something. Cheers to that!

    • Casey Snow

      As a person living in downtown Baltimore right now: screw you.

  • Jona

    “in response to such games as Grand Theft Auto, which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

    Sigh

    • JamesPiekko1

      it isn’t just prostitutes, you can kill all sorts of women in this game, why is that acceptable? This is why they are scared we are creating an army of sociopaths trained in killing women.

      • Jona

        Quit trolling, buddy.

        • Craig Brooks

          “Quit trolling while I’m trolling, buddy”

          Fixed that for ya.

          • Jona

            I’m trolling? What? How?

    • Jack

      They aren’t gamers. They don’t play games.

      They don’t know better.

    • appleblossom

      So you are saying that either you cannot kill prostitutes in the game or that it does not reward you for killing them.

      Which is it?

      • Jona

        You can kill prostitutes (or anyone else in the world, including the playable characters you’re not currently playing as if you find them).

        The game, however, does not reward killing innocent people and the police will chase you down and either arrest or shoot you dead. Getting arrested or killed costs you a percentage of the money you’ve earned through missions. You’re punished.

        • appleblossom

          Uh huh. Yeah. Okay.

          • Jona

            Which part of what I said is false?

          • hams

            Pretty much all npcs drop money when they die, so the idea of not being rewarded is absurd. Have you even played the game?

          • Jona

            I own it on three different systems 😉

            Have you played it? Do you honestly view getting ten dollars or whatever for shooting a civilian a “reward” when the most you can buy with that is MAYBE a snack that regenerated a fraction of your health?

          • iLoveGames

            You do realize that when the cops catch you or kill you that you lose upwards of $5,000-$10,000 I think that far outweighs the roughly $10 they drop for you. “rewarded ” PAHAHAHA don’t make me laugh. Kill someone and instantly the police are after you. The game punishes you. Unless you don’t see police action as punishment.

          • hams

            OK. You can pretend it’s not a reward all you want. I mean really, you’re ridiculous. If there were no reward, then they wouldn’t drop money, would they. Consequences? Sure, but evading the police is pretty much a core mechanic of the whole series, so don’t act like it’s some major punishment.
            A reward is a reward.

  • tarc

    Wow, this is sickening. I am one of the “5 horsemen of Wikipedia” (go google “gamergate wikipedia horsemen”, you’ll get the gist), and I had never heard of this side of Gjoni before. The misogynist thugs that make up the “pro-Gamergate faction always held to one thing as their central dogma; that Gjoni was just a frustrated ex who poured his broken heart to the internet. His insights into Quinn were the innocent spark that started their now-bogus “but ethics” argument.

    But now that’s blown out of the water. Gjoni is a creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker, one who has egged on pro-Gamergaters this entire time. He’s like a Jim Jones doling out the grape Flavor Aid.

    What a disgusting human being.

    • videmus

      Ugh, it really is sickening. I’d say he’s also a lot like the leaders of #blacklivesmatter — they say they’re “against violence” yet they’re the originators of a movement associated with looting, arson and the murder of NYPD officers. It’s like HELLO you’re responsible for these people! I really pray that Gamergate doesn’t go as far as the BLM movement has. It’s a shame the President can’t issue an executive order to arrest these people.

      • JamesPiekko1

        that is why we need social justices who will go after them, their jobs and make sure their names and information are known to the world.

        if the law won’t make them stop saying things, they will.

        • Spikier Than Thou

          You do realize that Gamergate’s leadership are mostly a bunch of guys who’ve made their legal names public from day one, right?

      • Vanessa Ray

        Troll

        • videmus

          Vanessa, I’m quite confident we’re on the same page. No one supports harassment or threats, least of all physical violence. Remember when pro-gay marriage people sent death threats to that woman who owned the pizzeria in Indiana? I mean, yeah she wasn’t such a nice person for refusing to cater gay weddings, but nobody deserves threats. Any movement that results in harassment and threats needs to stop being a movement.

    • Nuge

      Someone sounds bitter. And it’s not Gjoni.

    • Smazeli

      Stalking? He’s “like” a mass murderer? Are you sure the writer’s hyperbolic use of adjectives hasn’t swayed you from the actual facts of the incident?

    • Nuge

      BTW, how is your buddy Ryulong doing? Is he still acting like a petulant child?

      • facefault

        You’re calling someone else a petulant child in your second angry reply to the same post.

        • Nuge

          Whose angry? I’m loving the irony.

    • SecurityBlanket

      Quoted from Wikipedia’s Arbitration Committee official rulings:

      >Tarc has engaged in edit warring and battleground conduct. Tarc has already been sanctioned in three previous cases.

      >Tarc is indefinitely restricted per the standard topic ban.

      >Tarc is strongly warned that should future misconduct occur in any topic area, he may be banned from the English Wikipedia by motion of the Arbitration Committee.

      >Tarc blocked three days for breaching topic ban.

      Yes. Creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker and a disgusting human being indeed.

      • Spikier Than Thou

        Oh noes, edit warring. That’s TOTALLY the same as being a creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker.

        Snark aside, edit warring on Wikipedia basically means he has strong opinions and won’t shut up about them. If that’s creepy stalking, doesn’t that mean all those Gamergaters whining about their hashtag’s image are also stalking? Or is unwillingness to shut up about something you care about only bad when the other side does it?

        • SecurityBlanket

          False. Tarc was sanctioned for devoting hour after hour of day after day obsessively reverting edits and banning users for harboring an even slightly different opinion. You know: creepy, obsessive, stalker behavior.

          The beautiful thing is that the result of his creepy, obsessive stalker behavior is that the Wikipedia articles on GG (vastly more hostile in tone than its articles on Hitler or the Holocaust) read like propaganda to anyone with a brain . . . much like this article from Boston Magazine. Little surprise that all the smart, thinking people end up pro-GG.

          And yes, he was such a creepy, obsessive stalker that Wikipedia’s famously permissive Arbitration Committee formally sanctioned him, making him officially one of the creepiest, most obsessive stalkers on a platform notorious for its creepy, obsessive stalkers.

      • Spikier Than Thou

        Nice segue into an ad hominem there. Almost seamless.

        The ArbCom ruling you quote, at most, supports ‘obsessive’ – not ‘stalker’. Further, banning and stalking are not *at all* the same thing. You can be banned without being stalked, or stalked without being banned.

  • EpicFails

    Creepy way to get attention Gjoni. But it got you some victim bucks and and some loyal fanatical followers. Just what that narcissistic stalker always wanted. He milked her minor notoriaty for all he could and at her expense. How is the creep relevant outside his relationship Quinn? No wonder he clings to it. Pathetic.

  • iLoveGames

    What an unbelievable hit piece. Clear smearing and bias in this. From top to bottom.

    • slinteastwood

      No, this is what actual, ethical journalism looks like.

      • iLoveGames

        You mean an obvious smear piece with no evidence to back up claims – only the word of some e-victim? Quite ethical. Where are the authors citations? Any disclosure for possible previous relationships? You don’t post a smear piece designed to monger fear, and spread hate of individuals or a group and call it ethical. If the article were more unbiased I’d be more inclined to believe so.

        Just because the article parrots what you were thinking doesn’t make it “ethical” or even right. I could write an article and say “Hitler was a cool guy” and if someone agrees then I suppose it’s ethical, amirite?

        • JamesPiekko1

          they did mention tyce, a known associate of the street racing assassin. the truth won’t be obscured here at all.

          • iLoveGames

            And has anything come of it? Has zoe been attacked? followed on the street? had her home stalked by them? No? Sounds like she’s in no real danger at all.

          • JamesPiekko1

            the placebo affect can be very powerful, we need to protect them from that.

          • hams

            Yeah I’ve seen one of your buds post a picture of himself lurking around outside of a female devs workplace, at night, addressing the pic to her.

          • iLoveGames

            One of my buds? Oh? I’m sure I don’t know this person so he’s not one of my “buds”. Most likely some deranged internet troll or just a very sick individual. Certainly not one of my “buds”. I think you are mistaken.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            PlaysDangerously admitted to hiring someone to spy on Zoë’s house in person. Another idiot showed up at FreeBSDGirl’s workplace. Someone’s called in false police reports in an attempt to get both FreeBSDGirl and Devi Ever raided.

        • slinteastwood

          “You don’t post a smear piece designed to monger fear, and spread hate of individuals or a group and call it ethical”

          The irony here is killing me

          • Frieda

            I KNOW RIGHT???

          • iLoveGames

            Let me ask you something. Zoe Quinn appears to be in very good health. She’s profiting quite handsomely from all this controversy, garnered wide public attention, and experienced a boost in sales of her game due to all this.
            Now tell me…How exactly is this woman in any danger? A few paper thin threats typed from the basement of some middle american home will hardly stop this woman.

            I’d wager that she knows exactly what she’s doing. She knows that the more she puts herself in the public the more money she’ll get on her patreon and the more acclaim for her lackluster game (my personal opinion on Depression Quest).

            Now let me also ask you…has anyone died from GamerGate? Has anyone been arrested, charged with anything, or detained for any period? Has anyone been physically harmed or assaulted? Anyone been raped by GamerGate? If in 8 long months literally nothing has happened to her, then she is most likely safe and has been that way all along.

            This whole GamerGate thing sounds like a few people blowing some internet trolling WAY out of proportion.

          • slinteastwood

            She receives death and rape threats all the time. A constant barrage of them every day. You wouldn’t feel in danger if that happened to you? Bullshit.

          • iLoveGames

            Let’s go ask any random developer, especially of popular triple A titles, if they receive death threats for trivial things like “changing stats in a game”. The answer will be yes, but you see they aren’t idiots and realize that this is the internet and that they aren’t in any real danger.

            Let’s ask any male youtuber if he gets death threats…say, oh…pewdiepie. The answer: Yes. He gets them by the THOUSANDS. Ever read the comment section of his videos? The worst filth you’ll ever read. He gets them daily. Does he fear for his life? Is he having Boston Magazine print smear pieces against his haters? Nope. He just makes more videos and makes more money and doesn’t give a flying fuck.

          • JamesPiekko1

            you’re missing the point completely. he.

          • hams

            I think you’re forgetting the barrage and rape threats came BEFORE any kind of positive raised awareness. The dude straight up admits to doing it, how the shit could she be responsible for it? IF she benefits at all from it, good for her. I’d happily spend money just to spite the scum that try and terrorize people while hiding in anonymity

          • iLoveGames

            I’d happily send money to a lying, unfaithful, hateful woman who uses victimhood to push propaganda. I’ll gladly give my money to someone who admits to having a “crippling helldump addiction” (Helldump was a message board notorious for hate, harassment, death threats, and pushing individuals to suicide and it relished in every incident it incited). Oh yes. Such a noble figure to give money to. I’m sure she’s the best role model for women.

          • hams

            “lying, unfaithful, hateful woman ” uh oh I think your true colors are showing!

            You sure this is still about ethics?

          • iLoveGames

            You sure she’s as truthful and respectful as she says she is? Your true colors are showing.

          • hams

            I don’t care whether she is or not because it’s irrelevant. The fact that you care says a lot more about you. Go ahead and try spinning it back into ‘ethics’ again, I’ll wait.

        • Brenna Noonan

          It’s actually mostly the claims of the attacker, if you’ll notice. He’s admitting to everything Zoe is accusing him of. Given the unrepentant and obvious, disgusting actions of Gjoni and the GG community in general I thought this piece was actually quite objective.

          • iLoveGames

            I’m sure that you know the entirety of the GG community. I love the generalizations that people make. “A few internet trolls claiming to be GG did X, Y, Z! ALL GAMERGATE IS EVIL!” Here’s my generalization for the day. “Several white people owned slaves over 150 years ago. ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST SLAVE OWNERS!” “A minority of white individuals are in the KKK. ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE KLANSMEN.” – sound fair?

          • slinteastwood

            Here’s my generalization of the day: You, like almost every Gamergater, are a gross, pathetic twerp, who will die a lonely, miserable virgin in his parents basement

          • iLoveGames

            Good thing you’re wrong. Just like my generalizations were wrong. I think you’re beginning to get my point.

          • slinteastwood

            Noooo! You’re wrong! I’ve had sex with loads of girls. You wouldn’t know them, though, they go to another school. And I’m RENTING that basement from my parents.

          • iLoveGames

            Noooo! You’re wrong! I have a girlfriend who’s lived with me for the past 4 years. You wouldn’t know her since we are complete strangers on the internet. And I’m RENTING an apartment which I pay for out of my own pocket with my money. You know the stuff I get from working a fulltime job at HP as a Data Center Technician.

            The basement was getting too cramped …had to move on with life, ya gnomesayin??

          • slinteastwood

            Man it’s so lovable that you’re dumb enough to think I fucking care

      • Nuge

        Like you’d know right?

        • slinteastwood

          Yes, because I read actual articles in actual publications written by actual journalists, not the reprinted press releases that pass for gaming
          “journalism”

          • Nuge

            Even though you’re pretty much following the narrative?

          • slinteastwood

            What narrative? A creepy stalker ex-boyfriend posted a deranged, lie-filled rant online so trolls would destroy his ex-girlfriend’s life. That’s not a narrative, that’s a factual description of what happened here.

          • iLoveGames

            A blog post detailing her obvious collusion backed up with evidence and even a chat log containing a confession from ZOE QUINN HERSELF is somehow “deranged”. Facts are deranged now ladies and gentleman. – slinteastwood2015.

          • slinteastwood

            You’re still defending this sick creep? Gross.

          • Nuge

            … said the person defending a rapist.

          • slinteastwood

            I have no idea what the fuck you’re even talking about. Fuck off back to your cave you gross little misogynistic sack of shit. Continue cry-wanking yourself to sleep every night, knowing that you will die without once experiencing the touch of a woman.

          • Nuge

            LOL! What did I say that was misogynist?

          • iLoveGames

            When all else fails call him a misogynist…that will shut him up! Works every time. Also try calling him a sexist…equally as powerful.

          • slinteastwood

            If only it did work, you idiots might fuck off and stop defending people who constantly send women rape and death threats.

          • iLoveGames

            How about this. Instead of attacking us and calling us idiots since none of us here have ever done any of that…why not invest your time into figuring out who these threatening and harassing individuals are and yell at them or better yet turn them in to the proper authorities. I think that would be more productive than calling us basement dwellers and idiots. This is why the Anti-GG side isn’t moving at all, because they invest far too much time attacking the wrong thing.

          • slinteastwood

            Uhh, I think turning these people in to the authorities is actually the responsibility of the handful of people in Gamergate who aren’t sending rape threats.

          • iLoveGames

            Because we totally know who those individuals are. You do realize that GamerGate has no center, no leadership, no official message boards. When people tell me that “A gamergater said x” I go “no way”. Then they show me proof that it happened and I’m shocked…because it’s from some person I didn’t even know existed or was even a part of gamergate. However GamerGaters are quite active in helping to point out those who are senselessly harassing and threatening others on twitter and other social media. We do our fair share of reporting them to proper authorities as well. But to those individuals who are sending death threats we’ve got no clue who they are or what their angle is. No sense in pinning it on all of us.

          • slinteastwood

            The sole purpose of Gamergate is to harass women. That’s all Gamergate is, that’s all it was from the start. If you associate yourself with it then you’re condoning that.

          • iLoveGames
          • iLoveGames

            Seeing as how the majority vote on that is that they are about ethics in journalism I’d say that that’s what GamerGate is about. And if GamerGate is about harassing women then I sure missed the memo and so have all of my thousands of twitter followers and people I follow – who all support GG.

          • slinteastwood

            Oh, the creeps who send rape threats pretend like they don’t do that and what they actually care about is some bullshit they made up? Ha. You’re really fucking dumb if you believe that.

          • Nuge

            You have to be a bigger idiot to think one side is completely innocent.

          • hams

            Perhaps not, but one side is clearly the aggressor. Quit trying to rationalize abuse (and illegal) behavior you child

          • Nuge

            Where did I rationalize abuse? I never said it was okay. I think both sides have their idiots.

          • iLoveGames

            That’s just want anti-GG does. you give a reason for supporting GG or even give a reason for a GGers actions and you’re rationalizing abuse even if the actions in question aren’t abusive or related to any prevalent matters.

          • hams

            You ask where you rationalize it and then rationalize it two sentences later.
            “I think both sides have their idiots”
            As though the people threatening women are somehow retaliating justly? This STARTED with a campaign of harassment against ZQ. It makes zero difference whether anything Gonad said was true. She did not start a harassment campaign against GG, because GG didn’t exist until after the harassment campaign began against her.

          • Nuge

            Actually it started after the “gamers are dead” thing went off. And I’m sorry to tell you but ZQ questionable behavior long before the accusations regarding her supposed infidelity made manifest.

          • hams

            Ooh OK, so putting up a youtube video makes it justified? Are you even listening to yourself? Who gives a shit who she sleeps with, it’s DEFINITELY none of your business and it’s DEFINITELY doesn’t excuse the abusive activities that followed.

            ‘Questionable Behavior’ I’m willing to bet that if you crack open the search histories of all the people in GG you’d find some pretty nasty shit. Again, not a good excuse.

            Ya’ll aren’t being taken seriously because you keep making excuses for people stalking, making rape threats, and making death threats. There’s your buds up and down the thread saying shit like “well she knew they weren’t going to follow through with the threats….” and any other excuse they can think of. Let’s say I give GG the benefit of the doubt, and ignore all the misogynist garbage and insane rationalizations that I’ve seen just this evening. Let’s say they don’t have a history of treating feminists as an enemy despite having zero reason to do so. Let’s say I forget having personally seen gamers treat women like shit online for the last 10 years.

            Why aren’t you condemning the criminal element in your group? Why does it seem like the predominant attitude is that feminists are trying to ‘take gaming away’ from men when obviously they’re just asking to be included? Why shouldn’t 51% of the population of planet earth be allowed to have some input in the gaming industry? Why do so many of you feel it necessary to involve yourself in the romantic relationships of people you don’t even know? If the issue is actually journalism ethics, why are you spending time on someone that isn’t even a fucking games journalist? (There are dozens of games ‘journalism’ websites that have had nothing to do with ZQ) Why are so many of you (using a favorite term of your group) white knighting for Gonad when he’s obviously a crybaby who can’t handle the reality of adult relationships? Do you notice that nobody outside of the little GG cult gives a flying fuck about ANY of their ‘issues’? (Other than people profiting off of it, of course)

            Game companies have been paying for reviews since the days of print, it’s not new. Your group is ignoring actual money changing hands because they’re convinced something is fishy going on because two people had sex?!

            I could really go on, but it’s not fair to expect you to answer all of this. You’re just one part of a group. So you only need to answer one:

            How much money should I give to ZQ and her projects? I love the idea of contributing to her success if it will make GGers squirm.

          • slinteastwood

            You’re still defending Gamergate, a campaign created by trolls for the sole purpose of sending women as many death and rape threats as possible? Then you’re a misogynist. Also, a gross sack of shit.

          • Nuge

            Sorry but I’ve never met a GGer who has personally admitted to sending rape or death threats. Also let’s not ignore the numerous cases of threats towards pro-GGer’s as well. I think someone needs a time out.

          • slinteastwood

            “Sorry but I’ve never met a GGer who has personally admitted to sending rape or death threats”

            You’re really fucking dumb, aren’t you?

          • iLoveGames

            He’s dumb for pointing out that he’s never encountered a GamerGater who does these things? That’s like calling him dumb for saying “I’ve never met a black person who wanted to steal my TV.” All he’s saying is that the GGers he’s encountered were nice and didn’t harass others. You do realize that MOST people including GGers have never met anyone whos sent death threats or threatened individuals. When we hear about this stuff it’s hard for us to believe since we’ve never seen it, personally.

          • slinteastwood

            No, he’s dumb for thinking that no one is committing this crime because nobody has admitted to him that they’re committing this crime. Learn to read.

          • iLoveGames

            You know that most e-crimes are documented and quantifiable…and let’s be honest…these are e-crimes. Even if they didn’t “admit” to it then anyone could go and check chat logs, data streams, twitter feeds, and other public or private data repositories. Not to mention that if Quinn has really received these threats then she should certainly publish them somewhere so that we can see. Just saying “oh I get death threats” and not showing any of them is simply crying wolf.

          • slinteastwood

            Quinn and others publish these threats all the fucking time you dolt

          • iLoveGames

            And the few that have been published have been traced back to mindless internet trolls and have been found to have no basis in reality. Try again. Even the FBI in its investigations found that none of the threats forwarded to them by the individuals in question were quantifiable.

          • slinteastwood

            Are you actually such a sack of shit that you think that sending rape and death threats is fine as long as you don’t act on them? Yes, apparently you are. Christ. You really are a dumb, miserable, utterly contemptible and valueless piece of human garbage.

          • iLoveGames

            Oh boo hoo. someone said words I don’t like on the internet. I’m so oppressed. Please send assistance and donate to my patreon. Lol you are the miserable sack of shit here. I’d be upset if people were harming her or actually trying to attack her in some way. People e-yelling at her has no bearing here. Because you see, people e-yell at people all the f*cking time. Ever play League of Legends? Ever see the vile shit that gets said there? man it would blow your mind…you might go into a coma from all the hate being thrown your way for losing a game. The bitch is in literally no danger. That’s my point. She’s crying about people being mean to her online. Now if she’d said “I’ve had people walk up to me and tell me they are going to rape me” or “People have raided my home and stolen my things” then i’d be very much on the other side of this argument. But crying about internet trolls is just silly. bitch needs to grow up and move the fuck on. “I don’t want any public attention for all this” then quit posing for pictures and publishing articles. Might help all this go away, cupcake.

          • slinteastwood

            Death threats! DEATH THREATS! Not harsh words, DEATH THREATS! You stupid fuck. Christ, you are so fucking dumb and pathetic.

          • hams

            “traced back to mindless internet trolls” Yeah I think that’s exactly the point we are all trying to make about GG

          • slinteastwood

            “Never seen it”. Bullshit. The targets of these hate campaigns post examples all the fucking time of the constant torrent of death and rape threats they receive. If you don’t believe them, you’re either a delusional idiot or you actually condone this behaviour.

          • appleblossom

            Plus, who on earth is stupid enough to admit to sending death threats? Especially when it has police attention.

          • iLoveGames

            And these “threats and harassment” come from the majority? Can you even prove that? Can you even be sure that it’s not a single cell of a few individuals perpetuating this nonsense?

          • slinteastwood

            If you aren’t personally sending threats then I have no idea why you’d have so much invested in defending people who are. What weird creeps you people are.

          • Bruce Bane

            Yeah like that “threat” towards Anna Wheaton about how he is the master of gorilla warfare. Real threat there.

          • slinteastwood

            No, like the thousands upon thousands of rape and death threats that you horrible fuckwits are okay with because apparently you don’t think women are people

          • Bruce Bane

            Like the bomb threat sent to ProteinWorld by feminists? Or sending syringes to journalists? Or sending decapitated dolls to women who side with GamerGate?

            Please continue to be scared of 2006 memes.

          • slinteastwood

            You think those things actually exist and are in some way comparable with the barrage of harassment of women which is the only reason why Gamergate exists? You’re an idiot. Fuck off.

          • hams

            No, he said he never saw anyone ADMIT to it. Which is meaningless because the people making threats hide behind anonymity and alts

          • Nuge

            Aww, is the little boy angry? Does someone need an adult?

          • Michael Lindsay

            You are what passes for an adult these days?

            We’re all doomed!

          • appleblossom

            Sad thing is that these obsessive qualities are what make people like him popular with employers since that lets them exploit their workers.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You’re right, all you’d need to tell him on the production line is that for every widget that gets stamped another feminist cries.

          • slinteastwood

            An adult? What, like a person who wouldn’t defend people who send death threats because they’re mad about Donkey Kong or some shit?

          • Nuge

            Gjoni has also received death threats.

          • appleblossom

            I am pretty sure he has. It is not right but not a surprise when you get people angry at his actions.

          • slinteastwood

            And I don’t defend that. But you’re here defending Gamergate, which exists solely for the purpose of harassing women. Grow the fuck up you misogynistic tool.

          • Nuge

            Even though there are women in GamerGate? Yeah sorry but your argument holds as much weight as a starving Somali.

          • slinteastwood

            What the fuck is that supposed to prove? Hey, there’s some women in our sick movement that harasses women, so it’s okay that we harass women? Fuck off.

          • Nuge

            Name three GGers who harassed a woman.

          • slinteastwood

            How about the name of everyone whose name or handle is attached to the thousands up thousands of rape and death threats that Gamergaters have sent and continue to send to women. You know this stuff exists. You’re lying when you pretend otherwise. What you are doing when you defend Gamergate is condoning, supporting and promoting the harassment of women. Think you aren’t a misogynistic piece of shit? Then stay as far the fuck away from Gamergate as possible.

          • hams

            Part of the strategy of the logic-bro is to make you jump through an impossible number of hoops while presenting little to no proof whatsoever. If you post the evidence, he’ll want proof that it’s actually from a GGer, if you prove that, he’ll say “oh well it could be faked” If you prove it’s not faked he’ll say “Well three examples doesn’t prove that GG is bad”

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Milo Yiannopoulos, Adam Baldwin, Chobitcoin.

          • Nuge

            Whatever your thoughts on their opinions are I still can’ find evidence of harassment.

          • Nuge

            Whether or not you think their opinions are stupid I still can’t find evidence of harassment by these individuals.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Milo, right from the start: Posting alleged real names and links to nudes of at least one dev he dislikes. Baldwin: sending animal torture images to at least one dev he dislikes. Both: spreading the hoax that police tell you to cover up death threats. Chobitcoin was, at one point, harassing Devi Ever (apparently because Devi yelled at Milo).

          • Nuge

            Source or it didn’t happen.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Milo: ‘Feminist bullies tearing the video game industry apart’, Milo Yiannopoulos, Breitbart, 1 Sep 2014.

            Baldwin: I have the word of a programmer that the animal torture pics happened; that’s good enough for me but it’s hearsay. The hoaxes about police advice and Chobitcoin’s harassment were on Twitter; digging up hard evidence there resembles actual work, so I won’t bother spoonfeeding you unless you prove willing to acknowledge the hard evidence I *did* provide.

          • Bruce Bane

            You guys sent a bomb threat to a protein supplier because they ran an ad that had a skinny attractive fit woman on it.

          • cammylover

            You have both a distorted few on what GamerGate is and what defines misogyny. Let alone the fact that connections of any threats are paper thin at best and can mostly be proven to be by 3rd party trolls who are not on either side. Added the fact that current investigations by FBI haven’t add up to the story that people like you and no doubt the author of this article wish to push.

          • Michael Lindsay

            He’s talking about the allegations of Quinn sleeping around.

            Apparently that’s rape.

          • slinteastwood

            Oh, right. Christ these people are dumb and horrible

          • Nuge

            …according to Zoe Quinn.

          • Smazeli

            You keep saying “allegations”. Do you believe Quinn’s former boyfriends are also lying about having a relationship with her? Including her boss, who was married at the time? His wife would probably want to know.

          • appleblossom

            Why, literally why, do you care who she slept with?

          • Smazeli

            I always get that question after smacking down someone’s claim that “there’s no proof”. For the most part, I don’t, I care more Michael Lindsay’s beliefs and whether he genuinely sees a giant conspiracy everywhere he looks. It’s fascinating.

          • appleblossom

            Then why even bother reacting to it? All because you think someone is wrong on the internet?

          • Smazeli

            I ask myself that every day. When someone post something that is demonstrably false, it bugs me. Moreso when it risks diving people and riling up anger against vague groups of people. Same with the conservatives I see talking about immigration.

            So I ask people questions about their views to at least get a better understanding of how they reached that point.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Do I care? Nah. Does it make a difference. No.

            Are GamerGate supporters completely and unhealthily obsessed with the sex life of “literally who”?

            Hell yeah!

          • Smazeli

            Aw, how come you get to defend someone’s sexual purity on internet without being considered “obsessed”? Is there some kind of post quota you have to avoid hitting?

          • Michael Lindsay

            9 months since August 2014.

            That aughta do it!

          • Smazeli

            But you were defending Quinn just a month ago. I was talking to you. We can read your posts.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’m disgusted by Gamergate-and not just because of what they did to Quinn. The source of said disgust comes from the obsession of people like you. If the Gamergaters had just forgotten about Quinn like they said they would they wouldn’t be giving their critics more ammunition now.
            Not that they really need any, even taking away the Quinn hysteria GG remain a fascist, putrid hate campaign.

          • Smazeli

            I’m sorry, do you expect people to be passive when they’re being publicly accused of things that are demonstrably false? I’m sorry you are disgusted by me knowing too many facts here. Again, why are you the only one allowed to talk about her on a monthly basis without it counting as an “obsession”?

            By the way, do you feel any disgust over what Quinn has done to other people? Besides Eron, maybe?

            One more question, do you feel any sense of skepticism towards Quinn’s claim that she just wants everyone to move past this incident, in her 10th public interview about said incident?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Except they aren’t demonstrably false. Not for your whole anon internet mob that works under the GamerGate banner. Of course the go to defense of GamerGaters is that it wasn’t them personally or any Gaters they know. Typical.
            As for knowing “too many facts”, mate-pull the other one!

          • Smazeli

            “I didn’t do the thing you’re accusing me of and I have no knowledge of anyone who did”. Hah! What a “typical” defense from guilty people.

            Anyway, you can clearly see every public tweet made using the GamerGate hashtag. Other people have analyzed the tag and quantified the number of offending posts only to find them to be nowhere near what you describe, nearly all of the harassing messages these women receive NOT coming from anyone with any affiliation with gamergate.

            But I can’t stop you from opting to live in the world of hyperbole as opposed to reality.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Says the guy chucking around the definition of rape he’s only using because he thinks it’s BS.
            See what Nuge is calling “rape” here is what anyone sane calls “infidelity”. He’s referring to some alleged utterance by Quinn where she supposedly compared one to the other.

            Ipso facto, Gonj accused Quinn of sleeping with five blokes-therefore she’s totes a rapist.

            Sound insane? That’s Gamergate logic for ya!

          • Nuge

            Apparently my point flew right over your head didn’t it? Not surprising really. I think you’re confusing me with Zoe Quinn since she was the one confusing “rape” with “infidelity.”

          • hams

            Your argument and intent isn’t flying over anyone’s head because it’s bottom-feeding scum to begin with.

          • hams

            So you’re saying the stalking, rape threats, and death threats are justified?

          • iLoveGames

            Nope. Just saying that he posted the blog to point out the obvious. People’s reactions may vary. I can go post a picture of a thin model with the caption “are you beachbody ready?” reactions may vary. Don’t try to twist this to make it seem like i’m condoning harassment. Because I don’t.

          • hams

            It’s not a twist, you’re defending gonad who pretty obviously had a bone to pick and didn’t mind spreading it far and wide. If you don’t condone harassment, stop making excuses for the guy who deliberately opened the floodgate to begin with.

          • iLoveGames

            lol i can tell you’ve never read the zoepost. he detailed her abuse and how she cheated that was it. There was no personal information and he posted the thing on 2, count em 2, forums that had considerably low traffic AND they were places that generally viewed Zoe in a positive light.

          • Miglet32

            “Lie-filled”

            Except that he verified his statements made in the rant with chat logs.

          • slinteastwood

            Did you even read this article?

          • Miglet32

            I did. Interestingly, the article basically omits the majority of actual substance given the original blog post and subsequent chat-log evidence that he presented, turning this into a she-said, he-said (but we’re going to leave that bit out because it conflicts heavily with the story we are running).

            If you actually read the logs, there is clearly a much different story at play, especially given her own explanations within those logs. .

          • slinteastwood

            Even if that blog post was 100% true (which it isn’t, obviously), it was still created for the sole purpose of sending an army of trolls to destroy this woman’s life. And you’re defending that behaviour? Fuck off back to mom’s basement, you worthless piece of shit.

          • Miglet32

            So you’re going to arbitrarily dictate his intent simply because a series of bad things were committed by other people? That’s beyond a little fucked up.

            It’s funny how when a woman basically writes the same type of blog, spots like Jezebel will run with it as if it’s a beacon of hope for the abused (this has actually happened).

            You’re welcome to assume his intent. I’d still disagree with you. Particularly with how quickly he moved on social media and chat logs to call off much of what was happening to Quinn.

            And my mom’s basement? Well… that’s well over 1100 miles away from my home. Might take me a while.

            Perhaps you should take a few deep breaths and wonder why the mere presence of conflicting information that’s actually backed by some fairly significant evidence has got you riled up enough to jump on the old ad hominem horse and ride it like there’s no tomorrow.

          • slinteastwood

            No, beyond a little fucked up is defending people who send rape and death threats, and defending people who post hateful screeds about their ex designed to make people send that ex rape and death threats. How do I know that was his intent? Because this is the internet, and when people post shit like that they know very well what trolls will do with it. There is no way in hell you are actually dumb enough to believe this fucking creep didn’t post her personal information so people could use it to harass her. Fuck off back to mom’s basement, you awful little dipshit. You will die a virgin, and the world will be better for it.

          • Miglet32

            So when a woman posts the same “screed” it’s brave. When a man does it it’s hateful? The fucking double standard here is palpable.

            You ad hominem is laughable… it’s like your projecting as hard as you possibly can right now.

            But go on and continue believing that you’re the master of interpreting all intent on the internet. You must be a real savant.

          • Miglet32

            I have to add that you’re continued conflation of me discussing the Zoe Post and his intent as defending rape and death threats is the epitome of weak-mindedess. Your argument cannot stand on its own so you resort to absolute petulance.

          • slinteastwood

            The Zoe Post was created for the sole purpose of having Quinn bombarded with death and rape threats. You are defending this. You’re sick. Fuck off.

          • Miglet32

            You’re zealotry within regards to this doesn’t inherently make it true.

          • slinteastwood

            No, because that’s undeniably his intent. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar who believes that it’s okay to send women rape and death threats, because they hate women.

          • Miglet32

            You’re seriously going to continue to pretend to know the inner workings of an individual’s mind not your own and conflate that with another person questioning your “omnipotence” as defending rape/death threats.

            You’re not a psychic, so stop pretending to be one.

          • hams

            oooo chat logs, no way an accomplished computer programmer could fake those!

          • Miglet32

            I’ve been following this craziness for a while now, and I’m guessing you may not have been.

            Early on, he actually also produced video of said logs, directly scrolling thru the chats logs in question from his facebook.

            Unless you’re suggesting that he hacked facebook in order make it look like she was admitting to the things he talks about in the post, which is extremely unlikely.

          • hams

            Does it excuse rape and death threats? No? Then why are we talking about it? Also it’s pretty cute that none of you guys think it’s creepy that he would write a massive essay and then also go on to produce a video about the subject. Yeah it’s definitely him that’s the sane one…

          • Miglet32

            Firstly, I never said that it excuses the threats that came to her after. You guys keeps parroting that as a deflection.

            And the video came after the post when people initially questioned the veracity of the events within the post.

          • hams

            You may not have outright said it, but you and every other melvin in the thread refuse to outright condemn it. Whenever it gets brought up you all either deny it happened, or try and justify it like she ‘deserves it’. It’s not a deflection dope, it’s literally the whole problem. GG would just be a few thousand melvins that nobody else on earth cared about if it wasn’t for the campaign of harassment. That harassment is the reason it’s still being talked about today. Why don’t you get that?

          • Miglet32

            I haven’t denied that she experienced it. I haven’t said she deserved it. I’ve decried pretty much all forms of harassment over the course of all of these events.

            You’re taking the absence of condemning it within the confines of these conversations as evidence of supporting harassment. That is some absolutely broken logic if I’ve ever seen it. So yes, you are deflecting.

            I was speaking to the evidence of the abuses that Eron says he experienced. Are you trying to tell me that pointing out said evidence and being against harassment of Quinn are somehow mutually exclusive? Because that is fucking asinine.

          • hams

            It’s not asinine because your pals have been doing it up and down the thread. Look around. It’s pretty obvious that most of GG is willing to justify or deny the threats and harassment. The fact that you’ve chosen to attach yourself to this issue (on that side) itself is pretty telling. Why are you so upset about Ego Gobi when there are men literally beating their wives to death? I haven’t seen any GG initiative there. You’d rather go after ZQ because it fits your worldview of all women as manipulative liars.

          • Miglet32

            “My pals” “Why are you so upset about Ego Gobi when there are men literally beating their wives to death?” “You’d rather go after ZQ because it fits your worldview of all women as manipulative liars.”

            You going to work your way through every fallacy in the book here?

            I mean seriously, you’ve given no legitimate rebuttal to the chat logs and video evidence of those logs I talked about earlier, instead of jumping on this ridiculous tangent of ad hominem, associative guilt, and fallacy of relative privation.

            So because there are cases of domestic abuse with worse outcomes we should ignore other cases of domestic abuse? What in the actual fuck?

            I’ve got a better idea. Perhaps we treat all abuse as heinous and deal with these situations on a case-by-case basis instead of parading out every fucking fallacy in the book in some stupid attempt ignore one type.

          • hams

            “tangent of ad hominem, associative guilt, and fallacy of relative privation.”

            Did you bust out the philosophy 101 textbook for this? I don’t need to rebut the chat logs because they aren’t proof. Elon Corgi cast doubt on himself the moment he tried to throw her to the wolves by defaming her to people that HE ALREADY KNEW HAD A HISTORY OF HARASSING HER. It was a deliberate choice that he admits to.

            It’s not as cut and dry as you’d like to think it is. You know the law works in degrees for a reason right? Spitting on someone is a different crime than hitting them over the head with a brick. We expect police officers to focus their efforts on serious crimes. His accusation is “you hurt my feelings”. True or not it’s absurd to treat these allegations with this level of proof as being as serious as what I was discussing.

            Oh, and by work through them on a case by case basis, how exactly are you guys working on it? By harassing ZQ with threats of rape and murder? What about Wu or Sarkeesian? Can you demonstrate one single iota of progress vs abuse by GG that doesn’t involve acting abusing someone else?

          • Miglet32

            You literally cannot go a single post without generalizing anyone who might not agree with some of the things in the article as a harasser can you?

            It’s childish as all get up. Continue to take pot shots at my desire to adhere to some fairly basic tenets of logical discussion… it’s lulzy.

          • hams

            Fairly basic…ok still with you…tenets of logical discussion.. ah nope you lost me, I don’t see that.

            It’s really easy to generalize, you all sound the same. Your little anti-ZQ crusade fits neatly into 1 of 3 categories and none of them carry any weight. 1: The ‘alleged’ threats and abuse never happened, or are trivial 2:’She deserves it’ 3: Poor Egon is a victim of abuse who just happens to be going on a crusade to defame his ex.

            Read through the thread, the pattern is clear as day.

            “I have facts” -these facts are not conclusive to any of your arguments, here is why x, y, z.- “uh, yes they are, I’m just too smart for you” -please refute x,y,z- “uh, I don’t have to because…because YOU’RE THE WOMAN HATER HAA GOT YA”
            Then ya’ll do a little victory dance and claim to be the only person in the discussion capable of thought.

            While I stand behind my statements, I also just really like winding you melvins up.

          • Miglet32

            You can deflect all you want with this strawman tripe. You’ve yet to provide any legitimate rebuttal to the actual evidence of emotional abuse conducted by Quinn against Gjoni that is clearly evident in the chat logs. You’re little spasm about this alleged crusade has essentially no bearing on any of that. It’s a quaint little side-step that doesn’t really do anything for your argument.

            “I also just really like winding you melvins up.”

            Not wound up, just right. You don’t have a legitimate rebuke, so you’re forced to run down every available tangent in existence to attempt to divert attention from the evidence at hand. It’s an old, and ultimately pointless, bit of illogical nonsense.

    • Casey Snow

      Hit piece = I don’t like it.

      • iLoveGames

        Hit piece = Hit piece. If it’s written to smear someone or a group that’s called a hit piece. Especially when so little evidence is presented.

        • Casey Snow

          These are based on interviews… these are the peoples’ own words.

          • Smazeli

            Well, except the large portions that aren’t.

          • hams

            Great so what context could there be to justify taking all of someone’s private information and deliberately spreading it to as many users as possible?

            If it wasn’t for revenge, if he didn’t intent these consequences, why hasn’t he apologized?

          • Smazeli

            What private info? He talked about his own personal experiences, his own life. He’s been the victim of abuse in this relationship, should people not talk about the awful things their spouses have done to them?

          • hams

            So you think posting a 10k word screed is a normal way to deal with a bad relationship?

          • iLoveGames

            Shall I link you to the countless tumblr blogs and “screeds” written by women trying to “deal with a bad relationship”. No no. you hate reading…and facts.

          • hams

            A blog is very different than a fucking essay distributed to thousands of people. (those websites have a huge amount of traffic)

          • Smazeli

            Lots of people have publicly written about the abuse they’ve faced in relationships. Why is this any different? Because the facts outlined make Quinn look really, really awful? It’s not like he’s the only one who’s been hurt. She also slept with her boss, who was married.

            How do you think his wife felt when Quinn publicly denied knowing about her, despite the previous conversations they’ve had?

          • hams

            Well it’s pretty obviously an embellished or fabricated account specifically crafted to defame an ex to a group of people that HE ALREADY KNEW have no problem with stalking and sending death threats. Why do you think anyone should care what your opinion is on her sex life?

            You melvins think you can make it out to be Eon Gonad just blowing off steam. Even his own words undermine that lame theory.

          • Smazeli

            What was embellished or fabricated in his account? He backed up his central points by including her chatlogs. Several other people close to the couple have confirmed his post.

            “Why do you think anyone should care what your opinion is on her sex life?”

            I haven’t issued any opinions on her sex life.

            “to defame an ex to a group of people that HE ALREADY KNEW have no problem with stalking and sending death threats.”

            This is false. He originally posted it to the penny-arcade and somethingawful forums, because they were places that Zoe already posted and had built up (negative) reputations. He only posted it to 4chan after admins there deleted his post, and he did so because they don’t regulate content and allow anonymous posts

            Also, if you read the archived threads on 4chan from the day it got posted, most of the anons there specifically urge everyone to NOT harass Quinn. They were already afraid of getting blamed for anything by the wider media, so they focused on petitioning Grayson and Kotaku. You can read this for yourself

            Of course, their efforts to purge and ban anyone suggesting attacks on Quinn were pointless. Because there really is nothing that would convince you that they didn’t organize a raid on her. Is there?

          • Miglet32

            He never leaked all of her private information. He made a post about her abuses and verified with it the chat logs.

            Had the two been in reversed roles, she likely would have been heralded as a brave soul for outing her abuser.

    • Amy Rose Beckford

      He broke the law and destroyed someone’s life, career and reputation. But lets not be biased here! Let’s not take the side of the victim when we can support a total psychopath and his gang of faceless online criminals.

  • Sarcasm

    you convicted me!

  • Michelle Vietor

    Read all you want from anyone’s perspective: this guy is a creepy, pathetic, dangerous stalker.

    • JamesPiekko1

      which is why everyone in gamergate is, and anything they say is invalid.

      • iLoveGames

        Yep. Every single GamerGater. I would know, because I know every last one of them.

        • JamesPiekko1

          that is why articles like this are needed, people need to know who else has used the #gamergate hashtag before listening to any of them.

          • iLoveGames

            Exactly! No need to get all the facts or check both sides of the story. “Listen and Believe” is the motto I live by.

          • Amy Rose Beckford

            This guy is a psychopath, he broke the law on a massive scale. I’m just saying.

          • hams

            Please enlighten all of us as to what the other side of the story could possibly be. People who identify as adherents to GG have been the aggressors from the very beginning. Are you implying that there are going to be some facts that justify stalking, rape threats, and death threats?

          • Mark

            try actually reading the zoe postfor one…

          • iLoveGames

            Oh I’m sure I’ve been such an aggressor. I’ve probably sent thousands of death threats in my sleep without realizing it. Oh and I’m sure my twitter just magically tweets harassing tweets at women without my approval. Oh im sooooo evil towards women… they totally don’t belong in gaming. In fact I should probably stop my gf from playing games with me…yup. I’ll get right on that. #Sarcasm

          • Monique Berger Sager

            If you do in fact have a girlfriend, does she know that you make excuses for vindictive men attempting to destroy the lives of women who dare to break up with them? And that you willingly ally yourself with a movement defined by misogyny? I’m betting that either she doesn’t know/understand or she doesn’t exist.

          • iLoveGames

            Or perhaps she also supports GamerGate right along with me because she actually knows what its about and isn’t completely impervious to facts.

          • Monique Berger Sager

            No, I don’t consider that a reasonable possibility. Nobody is stupid enough to think that the GG thing was really about “ethics in journalism.” That rationale didn’t even get invented until weeks after the “movement” began their harassment of women in gaming. It’s just that some GGers are willing to admit they hate women, and some like to hide behind plausible deniability by claiming to be ignorant of what GG is actually doing. I don’t accept that level of stupidity or ignorance in anyone literate enough to even be online. They’re just faking stupidity to mask hate.

          • iLoveGames

            Oh really? Have you seen this survey? https://medium.com/@oliverbcampbell/gamergate-was-always-about-ethics-in-game-journalism-but-let-s-get-specific-7e441f7182c3 according to this a large majority of GG believes that it’s about ethics in journalism. But that’s fine. Let your own bias blind you to what others say. A black person says “I’m black” – no no he’s a purple unicorn…his pesky opinions don’t matter here.

          • Hinochi

            So, you don’t believe that she can make her own decisions as a human being?

          • hams

            lol I don’t even believe she exists

          • Hinochi

            So now you’re denying that she’s a real person? You are literally dehumanizing and erasing the existence of a woman. How misogynistic of you.

          • hams

            No I’m calling someone a liar. Don’t try and flip it around you fuckin amateur.

          • hams

            Read again, I said “people who identify as adherents to GG” I don’t have any proof whether you specifically sent threats or not, and I don’t care. The point is that GG has allowed itself to be a haven for those kinds of people. And to get straight to it, I’ve seen enough of your posts to know you have a pretty unhealthy attitude towards women. If you actually have a girlfriend that exists, I feel bad for her

          • iLoveGames

            And how is GG supposed to enforce some sort of rules or doctrine? I mean the movement exists almost entirely online. these trolls that are using it as a “Haven” will not likely go away by us yelling at them. And I have an unhealthy attitude towards vile bitches like you and like Quinn who crassly assume people are evil without evidence. I’ve seen enough of your posts to know that you are just ignorant.

          • hams

            There you go again showing your true colors. vile bitches huh?

          • Bruce Bane

            I remember the listen and believe tactics. Used by white women to get minorities murdered. Considering GamerGate is mostly minorities, not too much of a surprise.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            There’s a difference between ‘don’t trust people who eat bread because you know what happened after Uncle Joe Steel ate it’ and ‘don’t trust people who want to liquidate the kulaks because you know what happened when Uncle Joe Steel liquidated the kulaks’.

    • Derp

      I think what he is foremost is a victim of intense mental abuse and gaslighting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

      By a person that cheated on him with at least two journalists, her married boss and several other people, some of which were in a relationship: https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

      I wonder what she had to do to get this libelous article published.

  • Erik Miles

    I’d almost applaud Gjoni for this masterful, almost global scale manipulation of a community if the end result he created wasn’t so unrepentantly horrible.

    • iLoveGames

      Actually the majority of gamergate believes, largely, in journalistic ethics and denounces the harassment/threatening of women. Want proof? Here you go: https://medium.com/@oliverbcampbell/gamergate-was-always-about-ethics-in-game-journalism-but-let-s-get-specific-7e441f7182c3 . A survey done by Medium.com asking what GamerGaters believe themselves to be about with a high response rate.

      • Casey Snow

        Gamergate is not the authority on what gamergate believes.

        • Lance Devon

          Then, exactly, who is? Not to stir the pot for that, but if it is the “media at large” wouldn’t religion been done and over with for at least a decade now?

          Also would grey the talks about people’s personal opinions of one’s self matter the most.

          • Casey Snow

            No one is the authority on what gamergate believes, so basically you can say anything you want about gamergate and it is true. Saying they are noble is just as valid as saying that they are scum. They refuse at every turn to become an accountable organization with a set and specific agenda. So it’s open season on them to say whatever you want.

          • iLoveGames

            GamerGate is a collection of individuals…So wouldn’t you say that the collective opinions of these individuals can effectively be “what gamergate believes”

          • Casey Snow

            You can’t even do that. Unless you speak for the collective… but GG doesn’t even have leaders. So that’s out.

          • iLoveGames

            Let’s not forget the fact that you could easily survey GGers to find their opinions – which is what I linked above. According to that survey the vast majority of opinions are aligned within GG. Though I think any group GG, Feminism, Islam, Christianity, KKK, LGBT community, or literally any other group have their “fringe” – that group of extreme radicals who ruin it for everyone. GG would love to be portrayed as a positive movement for ethical journalism, which is what the majority believes, but you got those psychopaths on [insert message board here] that only see satisfaction in the dissatisfaction of others and even go so far as to send death/rape threats.

          • Casey Snow

            And now I’m just forced to repeat myself: gamergate is not an authority on what gamergate believes. It’s a hashtag: not a sexuality, or a religion, or any kind of ethos.

          • iLoveGames

            Feminism is also a movement yet it has agency over itself and also has no clear leader. Yet feminism has agency over itself and has authority to say what it is and is not about. Why can’t gamergate be the same, seeing as it is also a movement.

          • Casey Snow

            Actually, it doesn’t. Feminism is a discussion, not an absolute answer. There are many different ideas on what it means. Take the current issues raised by black feminists about the behavior and attitudes of their white allies.

            Also, many gamergaters insist upon telling me that gamergate is NOT a movement. Once again, one opinion is as good as any.

          • iLoveGames

            Yet when taken as a collective their opinions somehow align? Shall I link the survey again?

          • hams

            Did you miss the part where the survey doesn’t prove anything because a huge amount of the activity is done anonymously?

          • iLoveGames

            As is the case with ANY survey. Which is the point of a survey to allow participants to answer anonymously as this has the least affect on skewing data. It also protects participants from being ridiculed for their answer choices.

          • hams

            So in other words there is no guarantee whatsoever that the entire survey isn’t false. Besides I’m talking about twitter anonymity. You can say whatever you want in a survey and turn around and say something completely different because it’s all anonymous.

          • iLoveGames

            That could be said for surveys of “sexual assaults on college campuses” too then. How far are you willing to take this?

          • hams

            I’m taking it to YOU and your one bullshit survey Sexual violence is extremely well documented in this country. As is the habit of GGers to spend an absurd amount of time focusing on the private life of Quinn with one whacko’s essay as proof.

          • iLoveGames

            GGers spend almost no time on Quinns life. Why do you think the bitch keeps showing up in articles…cus we keep forgetting about her. we’re more than happy to forget about this land whale and move on with our lives and do more important things…like beating Dragon Age for the 3rd time or something. You see quinn only wants to “seem” relevant so that her patreon doesn’t run dry. She’s gotta keep milkin this controversy for all she can.

          • hams

            LOL whoa! the more of your responses I read the more spicy language I’m seeing. People don’t show up in articles because they’re forgotten, that’s actually the opposite of how it works.
            I’ve racked up literally hours of arguing with a handful of GGers on this comment thread alone. Don’t play like ya’ll don’t care.

          • hams
          • Casey Snow

            They don’t always align: there are many schools of thought that make up feminism, and it’s spread across many different cultures, each school of thought in turn meaning something different to each culture. You are comparing a hashtag that is not even a year old to a group of philosophies that go back hundreds of years.

          • iLoveGames

            I was referring to GamerGate. I should have been specific there.

          • hams

            Because feminism has a wealth of history and academia behind it. GG has a hashtag and a propensity for attracting abusers and terrorists.

        • iLoveGames

          “Your opinion of yourself is useless and irrelevant. I decide what you believe” Is that your logic or am I missing something?

          • Casey Snow

            My opinion is just as useless. All one can have about gamergate is an opinion. It’s impossible to be factual about GG, so our only alternative is to be political.

          • iLoveGames

            Actually it’s possible to be factual about GG. The literal mountains of screenshots, archived tweets, and chat logs are quite factual.

          • Casey Snow

            And there are screenshots and tweets of gamergaters being hateful jerks too. There is no reason why one can be more representative than the other. I know the first thing you’ll want to tell me is that the ratio is different… but that doesn’t matter (it’s also an argumentum ad populum fallacy). And besides, a majority of ggers are Anon, so there is no accountability or integrity. A person can shift positions to suit the expediency of the moment. There’s no trust in that.

          • iLoveGames

            Except the majority of GGers exist on twitter where there usernames are publicly visible. You seem to have this notion that GG exists in the confines of 4chan or something when that isn’t the case. And yes you’re right there are screenshots levied against GG as well which is why I always say that “neither side is innocent in all this”. Someday everything will come to light and the truth will be brought forward, but neither side will truly be the victor.

          • hams

            Neither side is innocent. Really. It’s platitudes like that making people suspect all of GG of at the very least being complicit in the acts of people terrorizing women in the games industry.

            Do you know how easy it is to make a twitter account? For all intents and purposes, it’s anonymous.

          • iLoveGames

            Except no one is “terrorizing” women in the industry. Go and look at all the female devs who responded to all this controversy. They basically said “we’ve been in this industry for years and we’re getting along just fine. What’s all this about?” If anything Zoe is one of the few women receiving any superbly negative attention and it’s largely due to her actions and history on HellDump, a forum notorious for harassing and threatening individuals into suicide.

          • Casey Snow

            Oh please. 99% of them have anime avatars and names like DarkSoul666 or something edgy like that. And let’s not forget all the eggs…

          • Jen L

            Oo you can see the username for an account that was created 2 hours ago and doesn’t include any identifying information?

            Well, hell, if that’s not visibility, I don’t know what is!

          • iLoveGames

            Ooooh you can check the history of the user to see if they are legit or not? Wow hows that for visibility! Sounds like you just don’t want to accept that these are simple internet trolls. That’s all they are. nothing more. They present no threat to anyone other than a few hurt feels. Umad? I would be if my narrative crumbled so easily under scrutiny. Let’s not forget….that users can just be blocked. WOAH . wait wait wait…you’re telling me that I can block people that are bothering me? that’s crazy…that’s insane. Next you’ll expect me to believe that I can just get off the computer and then I won’t have to deal with it. Oh you.

      • Frieda

        He didn’t mention GamerGate. I thought GamerGate wasn’t about “Literally Who”!? WHAT IS THIS DEVILRY?

      • Jen L

        False. We’re not idiots. We can actually assess your behavior and we can tell what it is. You are extremely obvious, not clever like you believe.

        • iLoveGames

          False I can assess your behavior and tell that you’re just a bitch. Not clever like you believe 😉 See I can do that too. Its ez.

      • Erik Miles

        “Actually…”
        Yes, and the Civil War was actually about “State Rights”.
        Also, if you’re really gonna convince me of anything, you’re gonna have to try a lot harder then an Oliver Campbell article.

  • Christian Neihart

    Zoe Quinn is not the problem here folks. It’s Gjoni who is the problem.

    • appleblossom

      Pretty much. If the first words out of your mouth to discuss this particular matter are “I am probably violating the law” she is not the problem.

    • Bruce Bane

      Yes someone who has a history of harassing, doxxing, and even attacking charity organizations is not the problem

      • iLoveGames

        Do we need to bring up HellDump? That’s too damning. Can’t we just let her be the poor victim in peace?

        • Bruce Bane

          Or the incident she had with a photography and trying to defame her? Or how several women have pointed out that ZQ slept with their boyfriends? Or how constantly lied in kangaroo court to get a restraining order?

          She’s just another entitled white chick with first world problems who keeps forcing herself in the spotlight when GamerGate stops paying attention to her.

          • iLoveGames

            ^this. Why do you think she was called #literallyWho for so long. Because she was irrelevant to the larger issue at hand. Ethics in game journalism.

          • hams

            Ya’ll are a joke. For every token mention of ethics, you spend 20x as much effort on defending Gonad and attacking Quinn. I have yet to see any of your pals even delve into the topic of ethics. For a group that is purely about ethics you sure do expend a lot of effort on the private life of one woman.

          • cammylover

            If you’re asking about this comment section alone, it’s cause that’s what this article is pushing. Many videos, tweets, post, and article by pro-GamerGate people have in fact been about ethics, not all but a good 9/10, no one is perfect. They hearing what they have to say and not what people who mostly blindly hate GamerGate for very clear political reasons that can only be some up as “the Tea Party of the Left” attacking mostly left and moderate left for not being radical enough.

            http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Main_Page
            http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/

          • Jen L

            If the issue is ethics in games journalism, why are you discussing her weight? Can only skinny women be ethical?

          • iLoveGames

            Because chick has gotten fat. Any questions?

      • Jen L

        Yeah, sorry dude but the charity in question says that this is inaccurate.

    • Miglet32

      Guessing you haven’t actually read the Zoe Post, or seen the chat logs involved. Zoe Quinn appears to be an emotionally abusive woman.

      Had the roles been reversed, I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have been heralded for standing up for herself for creating such a post.

      • hams

        Even if you could prove that any of that was true (you can’t) it doesn’t excuse the terroristic behavior of the people antagonizing her. Lots of people have their SOs treat them bad, most of them don’t splash it around to a bunch of website trying to attack them and their career.

        • iLoveGames

          Excecpt we have chat logs of her own admission of the actions mentioned in the ZoePost

          • hams

            That is a far far cry from proving it true. I know you don’t understand that but I like to wind up you little melvins! You’re so cute when you get frustrated! “ARRGH FEMINISTS, ARR SJWS, ARR JOURNALISM”

        • Miglet32

          She actually admitted to the abuses in chat logs. Logs he also verified via video.

          Additionally, he made the post on his blog. Do you know how many times this happens with the genders reversed? Hell, some sites like Jezebel actually run them as stories of women successfully overcoming abuse.

          “Lots of people have their SOs treat them bad”

          I literally cannot believe you’re going to use domestic abuse in order to vilify the very real coping mechanism of writing about personal experiences with domestic abuse, one that in your mind is apparently ok only when a woman uses it.

          • appleblossom

            Most people who write about their DV do not purposely tell people not known for their restraint in hurting others.

          • Miglet32

            He made a blog post detailing abuses against him, not unlike countless similar posts made across the internet, tumblr in particular.

            “people not known for their restraint in hurting others”

            Is this another poorly constructed generalization of “gamers”?

    • Ruth

      Zoe Quinn is an abusive manipulating liar. Gjoni exposed her. I don’t really see where you’re going here.

  • Sterling Ericsson

    Gjoni seems to be just an utterly insane stalker that no one should ever associate with. I do wonder if he has a mental disorder though. That would at least be some explanation.

    • videmus

      Gjoni is about a hair away from acting out like the fratboy rapists at UVa. There seriously needs to be some legal consequences for this guy.

      • Sterling Ericsson

        I guess with the current legal system, the best you can get is a restraining order. I mean, the article says he was called out on violating it by the judge 4 times, yet doesn’t mention what exactly the repercussion for doing so is.

        I assume it’s just some sort of fine, which is BS.

        • appleblossom

          You would have to check the law in MA but in my neck of the woods, it would require the state filing charges (it is a class one misdemeanor) and most of the time just a DV class since it is considered DV related.

          But the fourth time the judge probably would probably insist on a few days in jail.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            I wonder if that happened or not.

          • appleblossom

            Probably not. While most people are like “THROW THEM IN PRISON AND GET RID OF THE KEY” judges are not trained to think like that.

            So sometimes the person who should be tossed in jail is not.

      • Smazeli

        Uhh, have you been updated on the UVA gangrape story? Apparently a journalist took a victim at their word and failed to verify their claims.

        Speaking of, I keep asking journalists if they’ve ever seen the “16 gigs of proof” that Quinn keeps talking about. No answers yet, anyone know what’s up with that?

      • iLoveGames

        You’re kidding me right…nope. nope. not even gonna open that can. The literal stupidity on this is astounding.

    • Ruth

      That’s because you can’t see through the obvious bullshit of this story. Have you even read the ZP or his blog or the many times he’s tried to stop the harassment? You can’t be stupid enough to think this is an accurate article and that things are this simplistic.

      • Sterling Ericsson

        This article completely follows his actions during and after the Zoe Post and are perfectly in line with his comments on Reddit and 4chan (later 8chan). I was around the entire time it was going on, I saw the asshole that he was and is.

        • Ruth

          It’s actually highly inaccurate. Eron posted the first part of a rebuttal on his tumblr. Some people in the comments have actually shown how inaccurate this is. Also, what actions on Reddit and 4chan? He repeatedly asked people to stop harassing her.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            While going onto those places and adding more salacious details and encouraging people. His statements of not harassing her were worthless in his actions that encouraged people to harass her. He basically did it just so he could point to it later, even though it was meaningless.

  • SecretX

    Anybody else notice that these bloggers and the news are actually becoming the stalkers for these three women.

    This is all they talk about and it gives them clicks and views. Shouldn’t people report this because this is a lot of info on her is like he is obsessive about her.

    Look at the pic. usually people take pics at their faces and just use a random picture but this person clearly wanted the whole body pic and is really creepy especially for a girl who doesn’t like being stalk. I think someone needs to call the cops on this blogger and stop the harassment right here.

    • Sterling Ericsson

      The photographer and journalist probably wanted a full picture of her to be at the beginning of the article. What’s wrong with that exactly?

      • iLoveGames

        I will point out..girl has put on some pounds. Not that it’s really any of my business but good lord.

        • appleblossom

          So why point it out?

          • iLoveGames

            Because I felt like it. Problem?

          • appleblossom

            Yes, actually, if you are all about ethics in gaming journalism-someone being slightly bigger or not is irrelevant.

          • iLoveGames

            So I can’t just make a comment because I feel like commenting on something? Pretty sure I’ve got freedom of speech. The girl has gotten plump. I don’t need to spend every hour of my life being political.

          • Jen L

            Well, you’re demonstrating your sexism and you don’t even know what “political” means. Just stating the facts, dude who may be fatter than her and hiding that behind an anonymous online identity.

          • iLoveGames

            170lbs at 6’3. I’m soooooo fat. Let me go eat this cake. mmmm. And calling someone “plump” is sexist? Oh do tell. Is it because shes a woman. Oh let me now point out how you mentioned that I may be fatter than she is. If calling someone fat is sexist then you are a bigger sexist than me. 😉

          • Michael Lindsay

            What it is is irrelevant, but you brought it up to toss some mud. Then you got called on it. Now you are throwing a tantrum.

            Child.

          • iLoveGames

            Lol you sound upset that I pointed out the obvious. Bitch done got fat.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’m not upset. I’m loving your movements self immolation. Please do continue.

          • iLoveGames

            Bitch dun put on pounds. You know what’s funny? It’s true :)

          • Arthur

            stop projecting, fatty.

          • Michael Lindsay

            So…lacking anything substantial to pin on her you’re basically saying “she’s fat, nyah nyah nyah”.

            Child.

          • iLoveGames

            lol excuse me for making an observation. And we have plenty to pin on her. Shall I link the entirety of the quinnspiracy? shall we link you to her admitting to cheating? Or her connection to helldump? Or the proof that she doxxed herself and attempted to bait wizard chan into harassing her? ah yes but we have nothing substantial to pin on her. And guess what…bitch has gotten FAAAAAAAAAAAAT.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And guess what…bitch has gotten FAAAAAAAAAAAAT.

            And this is why GamerGate can’t blame the media for their bad image.

            They did that to themselves!

          • iLoveGames

            Lol again i pointed out the obvious. U can be mad all you like.

        • Jen L

          I know that this will shock you, but you’re not important enough for us to care about who your penis does and does not like.

          • iLoveGames

            I know that this will shock you, but you’re not important enough for me to care what you think about my penis ;). *shock* *awe*

      • SecretX

        Like Anita says its creepy. And yes i find this creepy as well.

    • Snoopy

      Don’t worry, Chelsea van Valkenburg is absolutely comfortable with photographers taking entire body shots of her, that much we know for sure.

      • Sterling Ericsson

        You disgust me.

        • iLoveGames

          Lol he’s just stating fact. She’s got a shady history.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            You are one of the reasons why I sometimes wish the internet wasn’t anonymous, so you couldn’t hide behind your username in your mother’s basement.

          • Smazeli

            If Quinn did professional modelling in the past for websites, then I think you’re taking your anger out on the wrong person for that fact.

            She also once worked as a stripper for a week before fracturing the eye socket of a patron that sexually assaulted her. She’s been kicking the butts of sexist shitheads for her entire adult life

            https://web.archive.org/web/20070717182408/http://www.deviantnation.com/girls/Locke

          • iLoveGames

            Stabbing someone in the eye amounts to “kicking sexist butts”. I like it. I like this logic. Next time a woman in the middle east has battery acid thrown in her face for simply existing i’ll say “Those guys are kicking female buts and have been their entire lives”

          • Monique Berger Sager

            You realize you replaced “sexist shitheads” with “women” in your comparison? If you think “sexist shitheads” means all males, then you’re projecting your own sexism on that. Fighting back against an assault does not equal throwing acid at random victims.

          • iLoveGames

            Do we even know if it was an assault? Perhaps I missed something.

          • Monique Berger Sager

            It’s not my job to vet this story. I’m responding to the fact that Smazeli described Quinn injuring “a patron that sexually assaulted her” and you compared that to randomly splashing battery acid on someone because of their gender. You’re clearly dealing with a lot of gender issues and distrust of women. I suggest you find a way to deal with that besides glomming onto a bunch of misogynists in GamerGate.

          • Snoopy

            I’d appreciate if you came clean about what you actually think about this. Is she someone who has brutally violent outbursts every now and then or is she just talking as much sh*t as the day is long?

            Which is it for you?
            (Not that one of these actually made her more sympathetic or believable *LOL*)

          • Monique Berger Sager

            I barely know who she even is. I’m not even much of a gamer. I just object to the idea that “sexist shitheads” and “men” are interchangeable. There is a significant movement (GG) associated with illegal harassment of women who are at all connected to the video game industry. I don’t need to know anything about who some woman has had sex with according to her amazingly bitter ex. She could be fucking 5 guys an hour and that wouldn’t be a valid reason to threaten to kill her. Sounds like Gjoni’s just butthurt she wouldn’t take him back. He’s proven she was right not to.

          • Snoopy

            You should read the actual logs. SHE is the disgruntled ex and he quit on her.

          • Mr Corrections

            So that somehow makes it OK to harass her. Got it.

          • iLoveGames

            I take it you’ve never actually read the ZoePost. “I don’t need to examine all facts to formulate my opinion” – that’s what you’ve essentially said.

          • Smazeli

            Self-defense if a justifiable precursor of violence. Quinn did nothing wrong by stabbing to death an attempted rapist and hope everyone can take her word on it because I trust the police will not punish her for being the cause of a long-unsolved homicide.

          • iLoveGames

            The problem with this is that we now only have her word. It’s gone from “he said she said” to just “she said.” The other side can never be brought forward. I’ve seen strippers get violent with patrons simply for wanting a few extra minutes for free. I’ve seen them get violent for “accidentally” touching them – though I think we all know it’s not accidental. Point is…we only have Quinn’s word and that’s sort of GG’s beef with all this. The media only present’s her side of the story. No one bothers to ask the peaceful members of GG what they think of all this. Of course we know there are psychopaths who want to identify as GG, but it’s the same with anything; Islam, Feminism, Christianity, Left wing, Right wing, etc. Presenting one side of the story is called “creating a narrative”.

          • iLoveGames

            Pretty sure I’m in my apartment – which I pay for btw. And if you want me come get me. 600 barwood park. Austin, TX. Come at me.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            The funny thing is that you’re only like an hour away. But, no thanks. I was referring more to real names allowing the police to actually arrest people.

          • iLoveGames

            Because the police will arrest me for calling someone “plump”. puh-lees. And since you apparently have no idea how things work here on the good old internet that information can be obtained. How do you think people get doxxed? A good IP trace can reveal plenty of info. I have the knowledge, sure, but I’m not that scummy of an individual to find it just to ruin someone’s life. Now finding the info to turn it in to authorities? – Now that I can do.

          • Jen L

            A good IP trace can reveal plenty of info? HAHAHAHAHAHA! CSI isn’t reality, dude. But hey, if you want to prove me wrong, do a “good IP trace” on me. At best, you would discover the name of my ISP and what city that ISP operates in.

            You see, I know more about IP addresses and their traceability than you. While female. Sorry not sorry.

          • Snoopy

            “You’re under arrest for telling the truth and having opinions of your own”.
            *CLICK*
            As absurd as it sounds, we’re talking about the USA here, so everything is possible LOL.

          • hams

            It would be pretty funny to watch you run out of your Apt. with a lightsaber and a captain america shield, but otherwise, uninteresting.

          • iLoveGames

            Or I’d come out with G17 (that’s a gun incase you’re ignorant). If you want to come on down..my address is right there. Bring it. I’d like to see you say these things to my face.

          • Mr Corrections

            Haha what a fuckin’ weenie.

          • hams

            Oh no a gun I’m so scared? I guess you couldn’t fight to save your life, so you gotta bring out the gun! BELIEVE ME I would gladly say any of it to your face. Do not think for a second that a melvin like you has the capability of intimidating me. Hey I notice just like your other GG friends that you already resorted to threats of violence, pretty cool!

      • iLoveGames

        R E K T

    • Mark

      Shes claimed multiple times she wants to avoid the spotlight and for it to all go away but she sure seems to keep popping up when her attention wanes.

      Gotta keep the collection cup going for those hipster welfare patreon $$$

      • Mr Corrections

        Why isn’t she allowed to make money, exactly?

        • iLoveGames

          She can make money…for honest work. Hell I give prostitutes more acclaim than I give Zoe Quinn. At least they work for the money they get. If you knew her history of professional trolling, doxxing, collusion, and harassment then you would know why that patreon is contemptible. Not to mention she’s being paid to literally do nothing. She hasn’t put out a game since depression quest, hasn’t claimed to be workin on anything. last we heard she left the games industry all together. So what’s she doing? Making 50k/yr to write the occasional blog post.

          • Hinochi

            Just interjecting randomly here, but it’s not a game. It’s an interactive fiction. Like a choose your own adventure program.

          • iLoveGames

            It was also fairly poorly developed and many ACTUAL sufferers of depression found it to be so.

          • Hinochi

            When I did a minor look-through, since I hesitate to say play-through, of it, I found so many grammatical errors and inconsistencies.

          • Arthur

            oh, well that totally justifies her sociopathic ex boyfriend’s behaviour then, doesn’t it?

          • iLoveGames

            All these people who have never actually read the zoepost.

          • Mr Corrections

            Who the fuck are you to judge what is “honest work”? What is dishonest about pointing out that you people are worms?

          • iLoveGames

            Yup I’m a worm. Anything else to add?

          • Mr Corrections

            Not really; you sad fuckers are beyond parody.

          • iLoveGames

            And so are you. But we parody you anyway :)

          • Mr Corrections

            Is that what you think you are doing? To me it just looks like you are proving her point, at some length and in glorious technicolour.

          • iLoveGames

            Looks to me like you’re not one to examine facts before making an opinion on an entire group of people. But hey. Stupidity comes rather cheap I hear.

          • iLoveGames

            Now I’ve finished with you mules. I’ve got gaming to do. Later, chaps.

          • Mr Corrections

            The undeniable fact is GamerGate exists entirely to berate, threaten and harass women. That’s what you are doing right here in this very thread.

            I hope that helps!

    • Jen L

      Actually, most magazine pics of women are at least waist up, not just a face.

      She’s the one who gets to decide who is her stalker and who is a legitimate reporter, not you. I think you should stop harassing her and her supporters, including this reporter who crossed you by telling the truth.

      • SecretX

        Why are you harassing me? Please don’t reply i do not like this i will report this reply.

  • Mark

    Disgusting hit piece, this is some soviet style propaganda level bile.

    • Michael Lindsay

      I don’t remember reading anything about “glory to the new shiny people’s tractor on the collective farm” but I guess some people are a little hazy on what the Soviet Union actually was.

      • Mark

        One sided biased tripe. Is that easier to understand kiddo?

        • Michael Lindsay

          Yeah, yeah. Biased is an opinion (or reported fact) I disagree with that isn’t mine. Go to Faux News then, they’re “fair and balanced.”

    • Jen L

      Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

      • iLoveGames

        What truth?

        • Mr Corrections

          The undeniable truth that GamerGate is a movement composed entirely of misogynistic manbabies, obviously.

          • iLoveGames

            Obviously. Now let me get back to my misogyny simulator. I’ve just made it to level 5 where I get to beat women for thinking freely. kappa.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK, well on your way back to Manbaby Central be sure to compare anyone who disagrees with you to Stalin or Hitler.

          • iLoveGames

            Oh no! I fell and broke my feels. I better call a wambulance. Hitler and stalin pushed me over – clearly misogyny at work.

          • Mr Corrections

            I can’t imagine what point you think you’re making. You’re the dipshit who compared an article pointing out your disgraceful behaviour to Stalinist propaganda – I don’t think it gets more embarrassing than that.

          • iLoveGames

            I never said Stalinist. I just called it propaganda. you inserted words that weren’t there :)

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sure you think that hairsplitting about exactly how much of a joke you are makes a difference, somehow. It doesn’t though.

          • Hinochi

            I find it funny that someone called Mr Corrections is complaining about splitting hairs.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m not complaining, I’m mocking. My Corrections are all of a serious and important nature.

          • Hinochi

            So, you take your online job very seriously?

          • Ruth

            It would be so easy and convenient if that were true, right? What’s harder is the cognitive dissonance that Zoe is actually an abuser and Eron may have had a good reason for writing it and that it’s not as simple as this guy wants to make it.

          • Mr Corrections

            Good news! It is true!

          • Ruth

            Except that if you do any research, it isn’t. Sorry honey. Here’s one for starters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMobu-6GMP8 There’s also this http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/104914740993/blue-author-well-the-publicly-promulgated and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

  • Alex Murphy

    I love the part where this assclown tries everything in his power to paint Eron Gjoni as Joker from Batman. Couple holes in your story.

    1)You clearly never read the Zoe post. Don’t worry! It’s still up, feel free to actually read through it(and don’t respond with. BUT I DID, you clearly didn’t, and if you did read it, do it again, only this time pay attention), if you did, you’d see a post about a guy who was emotionally abused by a pretty shitty human being. By Zoe’s own definition of rape she raped him, by her own definition of harassment, she harassed him, she exploited his own mental issues to completely control him. For someone “struggling with depression” she sure knew how to manipulate him to ruin him. But do go on, about how poor pitiful Zoe who did nothing wrong was hopelessly set upon for no reason other than she was a girl.

    Also Zachary in your “investigative journalism” did you bother to read up on Zoe Quinn’s history with Helldump? For someone who did nothing wrong, and her only crime to you is being a female game developer, why would she be part of Helldump? Why would she be part of a Somethingawful.com subforum devoted to the same things you claim Eron Gjoni did? Harassing, stalking, doxxing. This is the subforum that drove a teenager to commit suicide before being taken down. This is the forum Zoe Quinn was a part of, this is the person you hold up as some untouchable pillar of virtue.

    Or did you bother to look into the harassment she inflicted upon The Fine Young Capitalists? A group devoted to bringing women INTO the gaming industry. A group she had a falling out with, then subsequently retweeted doxx of their main chairman, in addition to making numerous harassing tweets about their organization.

    Or did you bother interviewing Mike Cernovich? The lawyer who picked apart the court documents for Zoe Quinn’s actions against Eron Gjoni, and the borderline perjury she commited? Also this is the guy Zoe Quinn retweeted doxx for when one of her followers(who she happily sicks on people who disagree with her) wrote a blog post detailing him, laughing at a skin condition he has, and posting pictures of his front door in addition to his personal information.

    But no Zach, you didn’t, you instead perpetuate this bullshit narrative that #GamerGate attacks women because….reasons. You give zero justification for your argument, you start off with negative perceptions of Eron Gjoni, and from then on paint this false narrative of who he is as a person. You’re just a long line of bloggers trying to pass yourself off as a journalist, who deals in feels before reals, and continues trying to paint this false narrative of #GamerGate as this scheming hate mob with zero evidence.

    I included evidence of her involvement in Helldump, and can probably supply much more, cuz yeknow, I’m just a commenter and I’m already doing a better job of “investigative journalism” than you have in your entire career.

    • Jen L

      She was a victim of abuse and because she’s a girl, you participated in perpetuating that abuse.

      I get that you think that we ladies are morons, but some of us are much smarter than you.

      Obviously.

      • Michael Lindsay

        These little GG cultists don’t really care about Quinn or Gonj. They’re just playthings that exist as pixels on a screen for them. Their self righteous defense of the guys abusive behavior is just there to make them feel better about supporting something awful. If they actually gave a shit about Gonj they’d do what any good friend would do to someone still unhealthily obsessing about an ex nine months after the fact. Tell ’em to build a bridge and get on with their life!

        • EpicFails

          This! His behavior is only damaging to himself at this point.

        • Alex Murphy

          Yes, you got it nailed down, we at #GamerGate love to talk to Eron about Zoe and not about how her followers doxxed and got him fired, or random things he talks about on Twitter absolutely unrelated to the situation. But do go on, you seem to have it all figured out. You can continue parroting the #GG hate mob bullshit, I’ll continue living in reality.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You wanna help the guys employment prospects? Try not publicly obsessing about him and Quinn for a coupla months. Because anyone who googles the guys name will probably be directed to this article and steer well clear. He got this publicity because his “helpers” drummed it up for him-so that’s on you!

          • Alex Murphy

            Except…it was her followers who stalked his job and got him fired, what planet do you live on where we’re responsible for Zoe’s shittiness? I mean, you’re welcome to believe that delusion, I won’t stop you.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Aint responsible for no one elses shittiness but your own.

            It’s your own shittiness that lets you treat to peoples completely private affairs as your personal playground. Get a hobby, maybe play a video game?

          • Alex Murphy

            Her being on Helldump and being exposed as being part of a harassing/doxxing/stalking subforum I think SHOULD be public knowledge. You can call me shitty because I feel that should be public, but sorry if I have no sympathy for shitty people being called out for their terrible behavior.

            Secondly, laughable that you’re saying I need a hobby when you’re on the same forum trying to reply to me. Try harder dude, 1/10.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You can keep saying the victims of harassment were the harassers themselves but it doesn’t make it true. But keep shouting. Everyone needs a hobby.

          • Alex Murphy

            You keep stomping your feet and saying the numerous evidence against her as a harasser isn’t true and it won’t make it less true. You’re doing the same thing I am, except I can prove the things I say, and have.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I googled “Zoe Quinn Helldump” and I got one of those hideous Gator paintshop jpgs with supposed screenshot “evidence”.

            You lot are so desperate to accuse your critics of the behavior you’re all engaging with. If you were any more transparent you’d be made of glass.

          • Alex Murphy

            You mean the photo I linked with SomethingAwful admins confirming her as part of Helldump, in addition to her tweets about her involvement with Helldump? Yea, that.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And what pray tell does the fact that Quinn allegedly perused Helldump in 2012 have to do with anything that happened between Quinn and Gonj in 2014? Because the dates on those alleged tweets say “6 Feb 2012”!

          • Alex Murphy

            Ohh man, that moment where you think you got me. Except when did I EVER say her affiliation with Helldump had to do with Eron Gjoni. Hint-never. I was talking about the fact that this article paints her as an innocent victim, ignoring her past behavior, and as for her involvement with Eron Gjoni, her emotional abuse of him. Sorry, you ALMOST GOT ME, next time, friend.

          • Michael Lindsay

            So why bring it up, are we still discussing the same article?
            The article is about Gonj, Quinn and the associated gamergate movement. The Helldump thing is a furphy with no relevance to any of the above.
            Maybe stop playing “look over there” and just admit that the whole Gamergate thing is a mess?

        • Kieran Foley

          Michael,

          It would be that simple if that’s what GG currently represented but if you could take the time to visit the hashtag and talk to the one of the many reasonable people using it, you would find that people aren’t interested in Zoe Quinn’s love life.

          The movement as it stands is primarily focused on ethical improvements to the journalistic press. Specifically the disclosure of conflicts of interest among staff, the use of unbiased language and refusal to brand large bodies of innocent people with derogatory labels. The press, as you may have seen in the UK has been the target of many scandals recently and I often find it shocking how many people leap to its defense.

          It also seeks to allow artistic freedom as there are many sensitive people who are attempting to use social media to bully game developers into changing a game or aspect of art direction. This is the creators choice and is often necessary to portray an art form correctly as the creator intended. Many creators feel like they aren’t able to speak out because of the media politicisation of gaming at the moment. Such speaking out could lead to the loss of jobs and livelihood for many creators. Especially after threats were made about possible blacklisting of game developers.

          If you were to speak to many of these “cultists” you would realise that the vast majority of them are reasonable, innocent people who have joined for purposes which developed long after this happened. Their motives are reasonable and yet still, we have a media which attempts to make this about an event (which should never have happened mind you) that took place 8-9 months ago.

          Thank you for taking the time to read this message. I wish you well.

          • Michael Lindsay

            If they were as disinterested as you say they wouldn’t be here.

          • Alex Murphy

            Disinterested about Zoe sure, absolutely interested in journalists making unsupported claims and parroting shit disproven months ago.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And there we have it. It’s about ethics in gaeming jurlalsim. Your self parody is complete.

          • Alex Murphy

            My personal beef with the shittiness of media=/=the motivations of a Twitter hashtag. nice try though, you might get to me SOMEDAY.

          • Michael Lindsay

            IF YOU READ DIANETICS YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH!!!

            Or was that Loose Change…

          • Alex Murphy

            Shouldn’t you be paying money to the Patreon God Zoe? You’re the one calling me a cultist but your laughably hopeless white knighting is so transparent.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Zoe’s a Patreon God? I thought that was Rouge Star.

            His game out yet?

          • Alex Murphy

            Wouldn’t know, I’m busy with my hobby of hating wymins remember?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yes, yes you are!

          • Alex Murphy

            Lol oh man, your talking points are all the same, at least have some variety.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Variety? Oh yeah I only mentioned one gossip site.
            Well, lemme help you out there’s TMZ and Hollywood Life and Lainey Gossip. There’s all sorts of places on the web where you can read about other peoples sex and alleged infidelity.

            If you’re into that sort of thing.

          • Kieran Foley

            My point is that by using this comment section, you are looking at a fraction of the movement as a whole. Many of the people who support what I said above reside in the hashtag and by not getting a proportional representation, the moniker “GG cultist” may not be applied accurately.

            Most of us aren’t supporting something awful. We are normal people who have rallied to a hashtag which has a defined purpose. This purpose I’ve explained above.

            I myself have other movement’s I lend my support to, and I’d say most in GG don’t support the harassment of anyone.

          • AntonSirius

            If they aren’t interested in her sex life, they should probably stop using a hashtag created for the explicit purpose of harassing her about her sex life then

      • Alex Murphy

        I mean…what? So this is like abuseception, that I only think she’s a shitty person because she’s a female. Newsflash…if a man did the same shit Zoe did, I’d still think they’re a shitty human being, sorry if that doesn’t fit your bullshit narrative but it’s shitty people being shitty not your warped ideology of hating things due to gender.

      • Ruth

        did you read the ZP?? She’s clearly the abuser.

    • EpicFails

      Wow, you have all the details down. Sounds like juvenile gossip about a bad relationship. Why he want to continue to stalk her? At this point he is abusing himself for attention and cash.

      • Alex Murphy

        It would be juvenile gossip if it wasn’t all over Twitter about her shitty behavior…from her archived tweets, from her past history at Helldump. You can be shitty on the internet, people will find it…

        • EpicFails

          Yes, the burgers and fries guys proved that shitty behavior is condoned for some but not for others.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Hey if you really love gossip sites maybe you should check out Pop Sugar-they’re part of Gawker Media.

          Because that is the sort of stuff that people who obsess over other people’s sex lives like to read isn’t it?

          • Alex Murphy

            Nah, I’m too busy getting Gawker’s ads pulled to worry about gossip. I deal in reals, you seem to deal in feels.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Then why are you so obsessed with Gonj’s feels?

          • Alex Murphy

            You keep saying obsessed, anyone would want to speak out against a writer perpetuating absolute incorrect statements. Secondly, you seem to not understand what gossip is. Gossip would be if I said you’re stupid and told other people you’re stupid without ever getting to know you. I would just spread this as fact, without ever knowing you as a person. What I spoke about, was something coming from Zoe herself, so I don’t think you’re stupid, I just think you are a bit ill informed on what the word gossip means.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Uh huh. So you are repeatedly talking about rumors surrounding the sex life of two strangers in a non gossipy way? Uh huh.

          • EpicFails

            I heard Zoe once ate cookies while dancing with squirrels. No gossip here. lol

          • Michael Lindsay

            Were those squirrels working for Gawker? Collusion!

          • Alex Murphy

            I just noted that the post itself, isn’t so much a screed, but a guy being emotionally abused by someone. But apparently reading comprehension is hard for you. Secondly, the majority of what i wrote dealt with her actions separate from the Zoe Post. Do go on, I love how your reading comprehension is nonexistent.

          • Mr Corrections

            Haha wow.

          • Kav P

            OH my God. I’m dying :’)

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah, that’s easily my favourite post in this thread.

          • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

            Bloody hell… He actually said the “feels” line?
            This is either one of the most cliche brigaders, or a stunningly beautiful Poe.

        • Mr Corrections

          How does her “shitty behavior” justify her harassment in any way whatsoever?

          • Alex Murphy

            I never once said it did, no one deserves to be harassed, however the truth should be the truth, not painting her as an innocent bystander. She is a shitty person, doesn’t mean she deserves harassment, but it also doesn’t mean she deserves to be painted as someone who does no wrong.

          • Mr Corrections

            Why should anyone care about her sex life? Why are you such a moral scold that you think you are entitled to do so? Was it a fault in your upbringing, or is your lack of normal socialisation to blame?

          • Kav P

            … Why does she deserve to be painted AT ALL?

          • Hinochi

            I believe there is an entire concept behind that called karma.

          • Mr Corrections

            Who assigned you the role of judging and acting on such things? How come your own entirely apparent personal deficiencies don’t merit this same “karma”? Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?

          • Hinochi

            I never said it was my job. I only pointed out that karma is a thing. A concept that states that if you do something bad, something bad will happen to you. I won’t even dignify that second question with a response as it is a shallow attempt at trying to detract from my character to boost your own moral attitude when confronted with something that makes you think contrary to your normal routine. As for what’s wrong with me, PTSD brought on at an early age thanks to being molested by my only brother, ASD which also ties in with general social anxiety, asthma, somewhat weak immune system, introverted, not big on talking, and overly, but not intentionally, aggressive.

    • Mark

      If gamergate has taught us anything, its that the narrative >facts

      2+2=5 to these delusional clowns

  • Aleksandar Erkalovic

    Saying silly things like “Born in Albania, Gjoni migrated to Worcester with his family when he was six to escape the Kosovo War.” is like saying – “We escaped from New Work because of drug wars in Mexico or the situation in Cuba.”.

    • Anders Öhlund

      Kosovo lies a stones throw from the Albanian border (~50km) and the Kosovo war was between the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the Kosovo Liberation Army who were Kosovo Albanian rebels. I’d say you comparison is “somewhat lacking”.

      • Aleksandar Erkalovic

        You are so wrong and I love your fake explanation. You mix pears and apples but what the hell…. It is not like Americans will know what we are talking about. I don’t know who lied here, Gjoni’s parents or himself, but there was zero reason for any Albanian citizen to escape the country (not Big Albania) because of the war in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. And yes, I was war refugee during the Balkan wars, so I should know a thing or two about escaping. Gjoni lied about his status because he wanted to become American citizen or get some kind of status in USA. Whatever. His parents or he are some kind of liars and manipulators and it is kind of visible from the rest of the story. You do not hang out with Gjoni or date him because he is a wrong person to hang out with. You just avoid him.

        • Anders Öhlund

          I’m not defending him in any way. He seems like a terrible and pathetic person. I’m also entirely uninformed on the Kosovo War apart from what I glanced from Wikipedia but I think the facts I presented are true. Kosovo is ~70 km from the Albanian border (I was slightly off). That is about the length of Manhattan. New York is about 3.200 km drive from the Mexican border. That’s basically a continent away. A more apt comparison would be “Moving from New York if a war broke out in New Jersey.” You may be correct about there not being any reason to flee Albania during the war I don’t know. I don’t know much about that war or the particulars of his family and their migration. They may not even have been refugees but simply decided to move away. You do however seem roughly as ignorant of the US as you seem to think they are (and I certainly am) of the Balkans.

  • EpicFails

    Lol, Gjoni fanboys/girls are losing their shit over this. So, he had a crappy relationship, haven’t we all. He is not even relevant outside his relationship to Quinn. What has this dude done other than to turn his ex over to a internet mob for personal attention and some cash?

    • cammylover

      Gjoni has fanboy/girls? Hahaha, I think people just dislike Quinn, which isn’t to hard. But I’m hard pressed to find a person who likes Gjoin.

      • EpicFails

        Look at the comments below. He either has fanboys or a lot of sock puppets.

        • KiteFlyer89

          People are just pretty heavily wrapped up into what “Gamergate” is or isn’t and thus post about it, a lot.

          The funny thing about this to me is that Gjoni’s claims of “emotional abuse” probably wouldn’t hold up to any objective standard (I have no idea whether or not to trust that story about physical abuse in the article). But, despite the way this whole thing played out, it seems like he was just following the “call out your abusers!” script that was and is so popular in the Tumblr/social justice/SJW/whatever-you-wanna-call-it community at the time. Despite being associated now with a bunch of channers, it seems fairly obvious to me the guy was a snowflake type. I mean the Zoe Post has a dang TRIGGER WARNING in it, this wasn’t the work of someone looking for lulz. This would also tie in perfectly in how he described setting up the Zoe Post and the fact he admits it was against her personal reputation: in his mind, he was stopping a toxic person from blahblah whatever. Dude really does need to move on, but EVIL MASTERMIND ERON GJONI smells like spin.

          But the intended target ended up setting off existing tensions in a nerd culture war and now no one can be believed on this.

          • EpicFails

            The burger and fries logs paint pretty disgusting image of how this all began. But you are right it unleashed the tensions that had been simmering for years.

          • KiteFlyer89

            Yeah no doubt stuff sprung out of control from there. Sincerely misogynist nutcases. People who felt sympathy for Eron. Then the game journalist stuff (where, I gotta say, from what I’ve seen it seems like GG basically won while no one was looking). And then that tied in with people who hate the state of the internet social justice movements – I’m not a Gamergater but I count myself in this group. Finally, when this all reaches a point where national media is talking about Gamergate trolls, it encourages just regular trolls to tack on #Gamergate to stuff they were going to do anyway to get free anonymous publicity. There’s probably more groups.

            It’s kind of hard to deconstruct what Gamergate “is”, from all this. I mean if someone just sincerely wanted to clean up the games press and doesn’t care about Zoe Quinn, is that individual still a misogynist? Or if someone just hates political correctness? Does calling everyone that do anything to actually stop the real lunatics out there?

            It’s unexplored territory, given how the internet works. There’s probably an intelligent discussion to be had on this, but Gamergate isn’t going to be it.

          • EpicFails

            “There’s probably an intelligent discussion to be had on this, but Gamergate isn’t going to be it.”
            I totally agree with this statement.

        • cammylover

          Both of you’re guesses are wrong. You seem to fail to understand the difference between someone liking a person and someone simply pitying a person.

          • EpicFails

            They give him tons of cash they like/pity him enough to keep him slogging away and ruining his reputation.

          • cammylover

            Tons of cash? He’s not rolling in the pity cash like Zoe, but I have no doubt a few relatives, friends, and maybe even strangers are giving him money, but I stand by the “no fanboys statement”. I think KiteFlyer89 has it right in their statement, mostly cause it adds up more and remember that everyone involved are human. Fact is the level of dehumanization that has been going on is like a 1930’s propagandist wet dream.

          • EpicFails

            So, their response is more about hating Quinn then supporting Gjoni. Sadly, this makes sense then.

    • Ruth

      If by crappy relationship you mean gaslighting, cheating, and emotional abuse.

  • KiteFlyer89

    Gjoni and Quinn both seem like insane people and I trust neither of them so I have no idea what went on there, but quoting Brianna Wu quoting an (obviously) joke video which has since been specifically outed as a joke as a real threat at this point in time makes me question this whole piece anyway. As does quoting Arthur Chu, based on his “expertise” on a wide range of other issues.

    Gamergate continues to be the most extended nerdfight on the internet.

    • Kav P

      More like “Überdouche”, AMRITE? :’)

    • Erik Miles

      “I’m disingenuously gonna play the ‘middle guy’…honestly, there’s not much else to me.” -You

      • Kav P

        He learned rhetoric from the South Park school.

        • KiteFlyer89

          Can I have either of your views on trigger warnings?

          • Kav P

            What business is it of mine to pass judgement on people who need them?

          • KiteFlyer89

            That’s fair enough.

            Do you think college classes should be forced to include them on the syllabus?

          • Kav P

            See above.

          • KiteFlyer89

            That’s a bit different though.

          • Kav P

            No, it actually isn’t.

          • KiteFlyer89

            So I’m assuming you DO think college syllabi should include trigger warnings?

          • Kav P

            I think that it’s no business of mine to pass judgement on people who need them.

          • Mr Corrections

            Jesus christ, shut up.

          • KiteFlyer89

            What’s your view?

          • Mr Corrections

            “Jesus christ, shut up.”

          • KiteFlyer89

            My apologies, I did get that part. I meant on the mandatory trigger warnings on colleges thing.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh I’m sorry, I misunderstood. Here’s my opinion:

            “Jesus christ, shut up.”

          • AntonSirius

            You really need to add a fedora to your avatar

          • KiteFlyer89

            Do you have any views on trigger warnings?

          • Erik Miles

            “I’m literally just here to waste time.”- You

    • nevalha

      That’s pretty much where I come down on this whole story.

      • Kav P

        Good for you. Now go your own way, please.

  • cammylover

    Yeah, Zoe’s reputation among gamers was all ready in the trash well before GamerGate was a thing. Also no, Gjoni has no army or anyone who really likes him, most of GamerGate just thinks the guy is pathetic and kind of a sad being. However him saying Zoe sleep around isn’t really enough to get people to give to shit, let alone go on what has become an over 1/2 a year long event. Who, what, where, why, and when all mattered, namely the who’s (friends and financial backers) whom wrote for her and a number of other indies, showing an almost incestuous relationship that went way beyond mere workplace congeniality in US & Canadian indie, gaming academia, and games media that would be unknown for those who don’t look these things up. Has Zoe got threats, no doubt. 1000’s? Makes me believe there is heavy embellishment in the number or she’s calling minor insult threats, either way any threats she got is wrong and I, along with 99.999% of GamerGate wish for them to be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. As little respect I have for her, she has rights as do all people.

    Also to one loser in the comments, no this article isn’t really ethical, it’s just crafting a narrative like a soap opera, leaving out facts that it finds inconvenient. However one thing is true, Gjoni is a pathetic and easily manipulated tool and really nothing more then that.

    • Mr Corrections

      The sole purpose of GamerGate is to harass and threaten women.

      I hope that helps!

      • cammylover

        That’s a narrative that doesn’t hold up as most of the people who’ve been called out by GamerGate have been men. Unless we calling everyone who happens to be a feminist a women now then I’m afraid you have problems with your gender identification skills. The fact is there was a core group who was acting like the car cartel back in the early 19th century who was making a system the mostly benefited them and was having harmful affects on other indie devs who didn’t meet what others in the group wanted, leading to media black outs on the game, backing going away, to not being invited to press events. A lot of this came to light after the events of GamerGate, connects between Media, PR, think tanks, and devs was shown even in the indie gaming market, which can hardly be called indie anymore really. Many of these people being called out happen to be feminist also, which kind off lead to many of the clowns like yourself blindly defending people regardless of what they did.

        Lastly when people say Zoe is a nothing, it’s because see did nothing wrong. Whoever from these events massive improper actions between groups were made public, well until a number of sites like Sliver String went into lock down. I’m sure you don’t care about these facts, but they are open for those who wish to see them.

        • Mr Corrections

          Bullshit.

          • cammylover

            Hardly, It’s all been logged for the past 8 months of time by many people in GamerGate and some neutral parties. If you simply wish to hate and continue name calling us cause we don’t agree with you that’s your prerogative. I’m always willing to talk, even if I disagree with the person personally.

          • Mr Corrections

            Since GamerGate, a misogynist hate group that has threatened dozens of women for no reason, has a perfect track record of lying about everything they’ve done in order to ooze out from the consequences of their repugnant actions, I repeat: bullshit.

            I hope that helps!

          • cammylover

            You’re using the word misogyny incorrectly, as there is nothing to lead that the group hates women, namely cause women are part of GamerGate and people being called out, once again most of whom are men, are being called out for their actions not for simply how they are. People who are called out are not called out for no reason, even if you wish to paint them as saints they are not. Lastly GamerGate doesn’t have a perfect record, but it corrects itself when founded to be wrong more often then not. We’ve been more truthful than most of the media who throw mostly baseless claims at us anyways. I stand by this, as I’m sure your standing by you words.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m using it absolutely correctly, and it very much applies to GamerGate, a group of losers who do nothing but threaten and harass women.

            I hope that helps!

          • cammylover

            You’re not correct as I just explained to you that GamerGate doesn’t call out people for their gender. You sticking your fingers in you ears isn’t going to make the facts I’ve stated go away. It’s also not going to make GamerGate go away, as that opportunity went away months ago now.

          • Mr Corrections

            You didn’t “explain”, you just posted some bullshit lies that only an idiot could believe.

            I hope that helps!

          • cammylover

            If I gave you a sited time line, would you care? Showing details of what I explained to you, would you even give it a look? Be honest, and save me the insults.

          • Mr Corrections

            I wouldn’t care no matter what incredibly obvious horsecrap you linked to. To be honest, I don’t really read more than the first sentence of your posts anyway, since you are morally and intellectually broken enough to be part of a hate group like GamerGate and are thus not worth listening to.

            I hope that helps!

          • cammylover

            At least you admit your bigotry. I have no question of my morality or intellect, and unlike you have a clear understanding of what a hate group is, nor have your same blind hate.

          • Mr Corrections

            “You’re the real bigot for pointing out my bigotry” has never been a convincing argument, no matter how many times you bigots have tried it.

            I neither know nor care whether you’re a misogynist yourself, or just a mealy-mouthed apologist for misogynists. Likewise, I’m supremely indifferent to whether your shockingly unacceptable behaviour stems from malice, or merely an unfortunate combination of ignorance and stupidity. The end result for any combination of the above is the same: you should be shunned, mocked, and reviled as the moral leper you so clearly are.

            I hope that helps!

          • cammylover

            I’m not the one being a bigot at all, and once again you are just going with “my word is law” on the matter of misogyny. You are as you have been from the start of this conversation being intellectual dishonest and making claims you won’t back up. I nor GamerGate is as you describe, but I’m sure your ideology blinds you from thinking any differently even if shown to be wrong. You are not a pillar of morality, and you sure as hell are just a wannbe intellectual who like to try to talk down on people and not PROOF THEM WRONG.

            I hope that helps, but I can tell you are hopeless.

          • Mr Corrections

            Utter bullshit. In this article, there are maybe 100 posts by GGers bringing up Quinn’s sex life, as if it’s relevant. There are maybe 30 that are openly homophobic or transphobic, and as many again that are anti-feminism or “social justice”. There’s 20 or so that are nothing but MRA talking points, including a hilarious number of uses of the word “cuck”. There’s one guy openly stating that blacks and Jews are inferior to white people.

            Number of GamerGaters bringing these people to task, or disowning their comments: ZERO.

            Discussions of journalistic ethics: ZERO.

            Save your phony outrage. You belong to a hate group, and so you are fucking loathsome.

            I hope that helps!

    • Casey Snow

      Anime avatar = opinion disregarded.

      • Mr Corrections

        This really is a succinct & useful policy.

      • Bruce Bane

        White people = Opinion disregarded.

        • Mr Corrections

          Zing! You sure turned the tables there! Gosh

          • Bruce Bane

            Crazy whitey thinks I should take his opinions seriously.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

        • Erik Miles

          “Hi, I got lost on my way a ‘Chan board. Do you like my ‘ironic racism’? I’d like to think it makes me ‘edgy’.” – You

          • Bruce Bane

            Whiteys gonna white

          • Kav P

            Can I be white too?

          • Bruce Bane

            Sure. Trans-White Otherkin Black Dragonlord Level 99 Batman here.

          • Kav P

            hooray

        • Casey Snow

          Yeah, it probably should be.

      • cammylover

        A very bold rebuttal, but no simply disregarding what a person says doesn’t remove the merit of what they have said. I get it that I said something you don’t like, but you can’t muster up a counter argument that proofs it wrong out side of “cause I say so”.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      ” it’s just crafting a narrative like a soap opera, leaving out facts that it finds inconvenient.”

      self awareness isn’t any of you alls strong suit huh

    • Erik Miles

      “It’s totally not about Quinn…So let me spend the next paragraph or so extrapolating on this wild conspiracy theory that totally involves Quinn and how she totally coulda lied about her threats.” -You

  • NinjaMicWZ

    This article reads like what it’s describing.

  • Martin Wagner

    “But the last eight months have been taxing. I just want to code, and hang out with my friends and my girlfriend…”

    Then you never should have started this, Gjoni, you miserable little shitweasel.

    • KiteFlyer89

      Sincere curiosity, don’t intend to get into a flame war about it: when you say “started this”, what do you feel Gjoni started, and why do you feel he started it?

      • Kav P

        :’)

      • Martin Wagner

        In other words, you’re asking for a TL;DR of this whole article? Fair enough. Gjoni, a guy with little dating experience and (according to all his friends) not much in the way of social skills, dates Zoe for a while. As often happens with millions of other people, the relationship doesn’t work out. Instead of getting over it and moving on like a grownup, he cannot handle the breakup and embarks on a personal vendetta calculated literally to destroy her entire life, which eventually mutates into the largest and most destructive online hate movement in internet history. As to why he started it, it would appear he’s an immature, sociopathic level-9000 douchecanoe.

  • iLoveGames

    P.S. Zoe Quinn’s own admission

    • Kav P

      THIS IS PROOFS!

    • Erik Miles

      “This random tweet of Quinn losing her temper after what surely was the 1,000th harassing tweet of that day totally proves…something, I haven’t quite figured that out yet.” -You

      • iLoveGames

        No one just admits something so damning because they lost their temper. They also wouldn’t admit it if it weren’t true. If it’s false she would have refuted it or lost her temper in some other fashion. And “losing her temper” doesn’t discount the fact that she said it.

        • Kav P

          Okay okay I admit it.

          I killed all the gamers.

          • dreganastra

            okay okay I admit it

            iLoveGames is an idiot.

            well that proves It!!!

        • Erik Miles

          Well, you know how in intense interrogations, the criminal might literally say anything to make it stop? Same principal.

          I’m betting if you were given an onslaught of angry messages, you’d literally say anything to make it stop.

        • Mr Corrections

          I love that her actual post is so obviously sarcasm and yet you still can’t process that. “It must be literally true because A WOMAN”.

          • Bobby

            ZQ never denied any of it. She only got pissed that personal details of her life were made public. Nobody in a billion years complains about personal details being leaked but doesn’t deny the validity of them at the same time.

            Her admission here just confirms what we all suspected.

          • Kav P

            Next question: who cares and why should we?

          • Bobby

            Because it’s a gross violation of ethics.

          • Kav P

            Not in the way you believe, apparently.

          • Erik Miles

            Okay, simple question:
            Where is the review she exchanged sex for? What is the supposed coverage she got?

          • Mr Corrections

            If only “ethics” was a reason to harass and threaten someone. It isn’t, though, you goddam buffoon.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are so defective that you believe such utter nonsense. It’s kind of pathetic, and almost makes me feel sorry for you.

        • Bobby

          It’s a lost cause man.

          ZQ admits it and they STILL deny it.

          • Kav P

            I admit it: I shot J.R.

          • Bobby

            Nope, try again.

          • Kav P

            Don’t you believe me? I said right here in a public forum that I did it.

          • Bobby

            I meant your argument is fallacious. A poor attempt.

            0/10. You’ll have to do better than that.

          • Kav P

            How is it fallacious? Please go into great detail explaining how. I’m curious. :)

          • Erik Miles

            “I believe fallacies work like cheat codes in a game. If I say it, that means I win, right?” – You

          • Bobby

            “I still have no argument whatsoever so I’ll just pretend I know what a fallacy is and try deflection for the 3rd time” – You

            Still waiting to hear you refute ZQ’s own words.

          • Erik Miles

            “I know you are, but what am I~” – You

          • Bobby

            “I’ll ignore the part about ZQ as I have nothing but still refuse to admit the truth.” – You

            Still waiting to hear you refute ZQ’s own words.

          • Erik Miles

            “I’m just gonna continue to try to get a reaction out of this one person. I’m hoping for the off chance I might enrage this person, but that doesn’t seem to be happening, as he seems to be mocking me. I’ll also continue to ignore the other comments that have explained just that.” – You

          • Kheesz

            OK. I shot Mr. Burns.

          • http://www.bluebirdsoncarmel.com.au CHARLES KACPERUK

            WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

        • appleblossom

          Considering the vast number of false confessions? Yes, actually.

      • Frieda

        Sarcasm’s not really their strong suit.

    • Mr Corrections

      Didn’t you run away to go “gaming” (or more accurately “sobbing as you jerk off in a home-made fleshlight”)?

      • iLoveGames

        I am gaming. Playing dragon age as we speak. I just found that and felt like sharing. later nerd.

        • Mr Corrections

          “I just felt like trying to justify the endless stream of harassment that losers like me have been directing at an entirely blameless woman. running away again now.” <- you

          • iLoveGames

            nice bait.

          • Dot Dot Dot

            Over the past 4 hours you have posted 90 replies to this comment section.

            Consider yourself master baited.

    • Bobby

      You post a tweet PROVING she had sex for publicity and the aGG crowd STILL denies it!! STILLLLLLLLLLLLL!!

      ZQ: “I had sex for publicity”
      aGG: “No you didn’t, shhh”

      Never seen a group of people so in denial in my life. Flat out REFUSING to admit it happened.

      • Mr Corrections

        The fact that you people are ridiculous enough to take obvious sarcasm literally is endlessly cheering to me.

        • Bobby

          LOL, nice try.

          • Mr Corrections

            Like, no matter how bad I fuck up, at least I’ll never be that goddam dumb.

          • Bobby

            I can’t even imagine the rage you must be feeling right now. Totally owned yet STILL unable to admit defeat.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes, I am giggling with rage at you right now.

            You got it.

          • Erik Miles

            “Alright, fuck it, I’ll just rub off myself.” – You

          • Kav P

            Oo-er!

          • Bobby

            “I STILL got absolutely nothing to come back with so I’ll just try to deflect you again even though it failed last time.” – You

          • Erik Miles

            “In fact, why don’t I just use the same sock I’ve been using all along to rub myself off with.” – You

          • Bobby

            Nope. Another fail. Still waiting for you to explain away ZQ admitting it.

          • Erik Miles

            “I’m just gonna rub myself in the vain hope that the other person will react. Because lord knows, I can’t just literally look at the other comments to find the answer I seek.” – You

          • Bobby

            Oh yeah. I love how the 3 people trolling here came up with 3 different theories on ZQ’s tweet.

            I find that so amusing.

          • Mr Corrections

            There’s no difference in what we’re saying. Perhaps you are confused by words, or concepts.

            I hope that helps!

          • Erik Miles

            Alright, fuck it, the mocking gloves are off.
            Even if I were to believe any accusation that was thrown Quinn’s way.
            Even if it was completely true that Quinn totally exchanged sex for coverage (coverage that, again, doesn’t seem to exist)….

            …How does ANY of that justify everything that not only has happened to her, but everyone else involved in this horrid mess?

          • Bobby

            It’s a violation of ethics. The very thing GG is about. (it’s also about keeping SJWs out of gaming now too but that’s another story).

            Her violation (even if it weren’t true to play devil’s advocate) led to the a whole lot of other violations being found out. It also led to journalists actually changing their ethics policies. So a lot of good came from it.

            As for the trolls. We don’t condone that. The trolls on BOTH sides are horrible people. People on both sides have received death threats, been doxxed, harassed, etc. All of it is wrong, wrong, wrong. Doesn’t matter if the troll is GG or aGG.

          • Kav P

            Yawn

          • Mr Corrections

            So, to sum up: gamergate is about threatening someone who isn’t a journalist because of ethics, and deliberately excluding people from enjoying a hobby based on their personal beliefs.

            That’s… that’s hilarious.

          • Bobby

            Not even remotely what I said.

            And you have it backwards.

            GG is inclusive not exclusive. We believe developers should have freedom of artistic expression. It’s the SJWs who want to limit not us.

            Example – Anita is very against the “rescue the princess” trope. GG believes it’s okay to have this trope in a game.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t really care how you justify your bigotry to yourself, but thanks for trying.

          • Bobby

            I never in any way, shape, or form justified bigotry.

            The bigots on BOTH sides are deplorable.

          • Mr Corrections

            Good news! There’s only bigots on one side – the GamerGaters.

            I hope that helps!

          • Erik Miles

            See?
            You literally just enforced assumptions 1 and 3

          • Bobby

            I did nothing of the sort.

            Just because we all reject Anita’s opinion doesn’t automatically make us against inclusion. That’s absurd.

            You realize the majority of the US (not just GG) rejects modern feminism right? (77% of women & 84% of men REJECT modern feminism)

          • Erik Miles

            Again, just so we’re both clear, the assumptions are:

            1.) There are no real problems with inclusion or representation in gaming

            2.) Any problems that do exist don’t matter because that’s just market economics appealing to the majority of players

            3.) The status quo, as they perceive it through the lens of assumptions 1 and 2, is a natural state, thus any disruption is inherently artificial.

            Note: Assumption one doesn’t mention supporting or being against inclusion. It just says there’s no problem with inclusion or representation.

            So yeah, you just repeated Assumption #1

          • Bobby

            Rejecting an idea doesn’t make you against inclusion.

            3 questions for you though.

            Do you think the “Rescue the Princess” trope is sexist?

            Do you think Legend of Zelda is bad because Link rescues Zelda?

            Do you think Double Dragon is bad because some of the bad guys you beat up are women?

            I’m just curious about your opinion. Not looking for an argument.

          • Mr Corrections

            “Rejecting an idea doesn’t make you against inclusion – but fuck feminism! Goddam Social Justice Warriors!”

            You’re a fucking joke, man.

            I hope that helps!

          • Bobby

            So all ideas Anita gives MUST be accepted with open arms or else the game developer is against inclusion???

            Oh and you realize only 1 in 5 Americans agrees with the joke that is modern feminism right?

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t really care how you justify your bigotry to yourself, but thanks for trying.

          • Bobby

            So all ideas Anita presents must be accepted or else the developer is a bigot and against inclusion?

            And that sounds reasonable and sane to you?

          • Mr Corrections

            No matter how often you try to explain, I still don’t care how you talk yourself into believing your loathsome and moronic ideology.

            I hope that helps!

          • Bobby

            It doesn’t but at least I understand your view now.

            You think that any suggestion a person makes must be taken into consideration or else bigotry and against inclusion.

            So if I suggest that all male characters must be 7 feet tall with huge biceps or else I feel oppressed, you would be ok with that because disagreeing would mean you’re a bigot.

          • Mr Corrections

            I literally don’t care why you hate women.

            I hope that helps!

          • Bobby

            Ok so not agreeing with Anita means…
            1) You hate women
            2) You’re against inclusion
            3) You’re a bigot

            Did we cover it all yet? Anything you’d care to add?

            Oh and don’t disagree with me or else you’ll be a bigot.

          • Mr Corrections

            Adding to the list of things I don’t care about: how you convince yourself that you don’t hate women, despite being a GamerGate loser.

          • Bobby

            You’re disagreeing with me. By your own definition, you’re now a bigot. Congrats.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m not really surprised that you don’t know what words mean; you are clearly subnormal in every regard.

            I hope that helps!

          • Erik Miles

            Again, assumption #1 does not assume you are for or against inclusion. It merely states that one sees no real problem with inclusion or representation.

            So again, you’re still echoing the sentiment of Assumption #1

          • Bobby

            I think my other reply never posted. I stated that GG agrees that we need more female developers. So yes we do see a problem with representation amongst developers. I assume that’s what you mean?

            We helped raise $70,000 for a female developed game via the Fine Young Capitalists.

          • Erik Miles

            Yeah, “Supporting female developers who only go thru our approved paths” still is echoing the sentiment of assumption #1, only this time, it’s “See? There is no real problem, we’re handling it just fine. Look at this charity we donated to”

          • Bobby

            That’s not fair man. You can’t have it both ways. If you’re truly for female developers you should be happy we raised that money. Instead, you attack it.

            Just shameful.

            Hell, I wouldn’t care if Anita started her own game company with only SJW approved games so long as she stays the hell out of other established game companies.

          • Erik Miles

            I’m calling it what it is; enforcing assumption #1 via ‘charity’ (ie. “See? We never had a problem with women. Look at the money we donated)

            And yeah, that last paragraph… that’s Assumption #3, pal (“Why change our thing? Why not make your own? We’re fine.”)

          • Bobby

            She should make her own because most people (not just GG) disagree with modern feminism. Most women think modern feminism is a joke. Most people do not think the rescue the princess trope is sexist.

            You do. Anita does. Fine.

            But forcing your beliefs on the majority of people when we clearly say “no, we disagree” is the problem I have.

            Instead of forcing your views on us, why not just do your own thing?

            Developers should be free to develop a game however they want.

            With that said, Erik, it’s been nice talking to a fellow reasonable adult without insults. I get that we don’t see eye to eye but have a good one. I need to sleep.

          • Erik Miles

            Assumption #3 (“She should make her own game company, stop changing our thing, which is just fine the way it is.)
            Assumption #1 (“The Save the princess trope isn’t really sexist.”)

            Also, assuming the “majority” of anything in a faceless, anonymous group, so how can you make the claim that a “majority” of GG is anything when they only have assumptions and no guidelines?

            Also, Assumption #3 (“Just let creators create what they want.”)

          • Bobby

            It’s not an assumption. GG is very against the SJW mentality. It’s #2 on the mission list. We’ve made that crystal clear.

            I wasn’t referring to GG though. I was referring to the whole country. Most people have no problem with rescuing a princess. 4 in 5 Americans disagree with modern feminism. More women consider “feminist” a negative than a positive let alone SJW.

            Every one of Anita’s videos had 85-90% dislikes before she removed voting. Every video with her in it has a similar 85-90% dislike (see ABC interview which at one time was the 85th most disliked in the entire history of YouTube). 80% of her Time votes were “No”. If she has so much support, where are her supporters? Everywhere she goes, the result is the same. HUGE dislikes and criticism. She only speaks in echo chambers and refuses to debate anyone (see Milo’s $10,000 challenge).

            When you’re opinions are rejected by an overwhelming majority, you go away. You don’t keep forcing those opinions down people’s throats. That’s not right.

          • Erik Miles

            Assumption #1 and #3 (“There’s no problem with representation or inclusion in games, but those pesky SJWs are trying to artificially change that.”)

            Assumption #2 (“It doesn’t matter, because the majority of Americans agree with us anyway”)

            Assumption #2 (“See? Look at these YouTube dislikes; the majority agrees with us.)

            Assumption #2 (“This is a majority opinion, stop pushing it down our throats”)

          • Bobby

            Ok so you were able to take my words and mold them to fit your 3 assumptions. Your point is….?

            Also, I stated multiple times that GG wants to increase representation
            in games. Hence the $70,000 we raised for a female developer. So #1 is wrong.

          • Erik Miles

            Ahem.
            Assumption #1 (See? There never was a problem with inclusion or representation. Look at the money we donated to X charity)

          • Bobby

            Your point…?

            Honestly I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about. You can repeat some random dudes assumptions ad nauseam but it won’t change the fact that GG has already identified the problem you speak of and done something to help it.

          • Erik Miles

            My point is that those assumptions almost inescapable and are basically the core of GamerGate in simplest form, minus of course the nastiness.

            I mean, hell, even now, you’re still repeating assumption one. (“See? There is no problem. We’ve already handled it.”)

            At the end of the day, it’s very a conservative, reactionary movement.

            For Pete’s sake, you guys talk as though donating to some off hand charity is gonna suddenly clean up gaming’s act. Dare I said it, it almost seems quite privileged to think that moving the right amount of money into the right place is suddenly going to instigate some massive social change.

            I’m sorry, but you can’t really gamify social politics or morality. This isn’t like Fallout 3 where you can drop a nuclear bomb on a city, but make up for it by giving enough water bottles to the right guy.

          • Bobby

            Your point is objectively false then.

            You twist my words into: “See? There is no problem. We’ve already handled it.”

            FALSE.

            There IS a problem. We did NOT handle it because there is STILL a problem. We are actively trying to help that problem but it STILL exists and our primary goal is ethics at the moment but we are actively donating to over 30 charities too. Got it? We clear now?

            You are so full of hate you can’t even admit that $70,000 was a good thing. You have to call it “some off hand charity” and downplay the whole thing. It’s sickening.

            “seems privileged to think that moving the right amount
            of money is suddenly going to instigate some
            massive social change.”
            Literally, NOBODY thinks this. Nobody thinks one donation fixes the whole problem. It does help though. It’s a start. At least GG is trying. What’s aGG doing? How many charities have you donated to Erik??

            You have a deep misunderstanding of our movement which isn’t shocking
            given the number of lies that exist about GG. We all think women are underrepresented as developers. We all think this is a problem (goodbye #1 and #2 and thus #3).

            Instead of defining us by our actions and accomplishments, you instead focus on some random troll accounts who include the hashtag #gamergate like they are somehow representative of the other 99% of us.

          • Erik Miles

            Well, when your group is mostly anonymous and guideless, with no real structure to speak aside from those assumptions, you sadly don’t get to decide who does and who doesn’t represent GamerGate.

            “But what about our accomplishments?”
            Again, you think you’re the only unpopular group whose tried to save face in the public eye by throwing money around in the right place? Shit son, that’s the most basic tactic in american politics. The Republicans have been trying to pull that stuff for years, but that still doesn’t change the perception of how backwards they are.

            And again, surprise, you’re still echoing assumption #1, even as you wiggle and shout that you’re not. (“There is no real problem, because we’re already handling it. See? Look at this money we’re putting in the right place.”)

            And even ignoring who questionable TFYC is as an organization, that still negate that even now, you’re still echoing the sentiments of those assumptions. And that still wouldn’t change, even if you guys donated to a hundred charities.

          • Bobby

            “you sadly don’t get to decide who does and who doesn’t represent GamerGate.”
            And you do right? Or does tweeting with the hashtag grant automatic entry in your twisted mind?

            “Again, you think you’re the only unpopular group whose tried to save
            face in the public eye by throwing money around in the right place?”
            Ahhh, so that explains why you keep trying to downplay this. First, we aren’t unpopular among anyone except aGG and SJWs. The majority do not care about GG or aGG or even know about this. Second, wait… so you actually think the only reason we helped female developers was to save face? Are you seriously that blinded by hate? We donate because it’s something we believe in. Period.

            “The Republicans have been trying to pull that stuff for years”
            Hey we agree on something. The R’s suck.

            ” you’re still echoing assumption #1″
            Did you fail reading? I’m literally saying there is a problem and it’s not handled and you’re literally saying I’m not saying that.
            Assumption #1 – “There is no real problem because we’re handling it.”
            Me – “There IS a problem it’s NOT handled”
            You – “See you’re saying there is no problem and it’s handled”
            Me – “???????????????????”
            and round and round we go

            “And that still wouldn’t change, even if you guys donated to a hundred charities.”
            We aren’t donating to charity to save face or appease people like you. We’re doing it because it’s the right thing to do.

            People like you will NEVER admit to the truth though. You haven’t donated a single cent to help female developers yet you sit on your high horse and attack those that do and try to twist our actions and then claim ALL negative tweets somehow represent all of us. You have nothing. If you truly cared a wink about female devs, YOU’D be donating or at least happy that we did. But nah, better to troll and attack instead because that’s way more productive right? No wait, let me repeat some stupid assumptions over and over like some bible thumper.

            You’re so full of hate for a movement you are woefully misinformed about and it’s very telling and pathetic that your only argument is character assassination.

          • Bobby

            Now how about answering my questions? :)

            I’m just curious where you stand.

          • Erik Miles

            1.) More often then not, it is (unless of course it’s a deconstruction of the trope).

            2/3.) Whether or not a game is bad doesn’t negate the problems of the trope. After all, I love GTA5, but I’m not gonna pretend that it represents women well, or that it doesn’t have problematic elements

          • Bobby

            Ok, thank you for answering.

          • Erik Miles

            “It’s a violation of ethics. The very thing GG is about. (it’s also about keeping SJWs out of gaming now too but that’s another story)”

            And that last sentence actually speaks more volumes about the real justification of GamerGate then any other reason. In fact, you can pretty much sum up most of the base assumptions as follows (I’m directly quoting Dan Olson on this)

            “1.) There are no real problems with inclusion or representation in gaming

            2.) Any problems that do exist don’t matter because that’s just market economics appealing to the majority of players

            3.) The status quo, as they perceive it through the lens of assumptions 1 and 2, is a natural state, thus any disruption is inherently artificial.”

          • Bobby

            Your 3 points aren’t the issues that GG has with the SJWs.

            It’s the nitpicky BS like Anita saying the rescue the princess trope is sexist or toxic. It’s also the outright lies or facts she gets wrong because she obviously hasn’t played the game (i.e. Dying Light which she attacked for having a rescue the princess part but it didn’t)

            As for your points. We all agree there needs to be more diverse developers. In fact, GG helped raise $70,000 to go toward female game developers
            https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists–2

          • Erik Miles

            Ah yes, and let me guess; that charity is….The Fine Young Capitalists….boy, I sure saw that coming…

            Oh, and let’s see
            Your second paragraph basically echoes the sentiment of Assumption #1, And GG’s gripe with “SJW’s” is basically Assumption #3. They see them as an “inherently artificial change”

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh I see! Social Justice Is Bad!

          • Kheesz

            Saying you don’t condone harassment while you keep repeating lies in comments on an article about how those lies have turned ZQ’s life into a living hell really doesn’t show that you think harassment is wrong.

          • Bobby

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

          • Kheesz

            Saying you’re against harassment while continuing to associate with GG 8 months later is a completely empty gesture. For a movement that is supposedly about “ethics” you’re still talking about Zoe Quinn.

      • Erik Miles

        “Hi, don’t mind me. I’m just here to rub off the other guy.” – You

        • Bobby

          “Hi, I have absolutely no comeback whatsoever so I’ll just try to deflect the argument and ignore everything ZQ said.” – You

          • Erik Miles

            “Hey, don’t interrupt me while I’m rubbing off this other guy. That’s very rude of you. Also, why don’t you take me seriously as I rub off this other guy?” – You

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you just said that to someone else. :’)

      • Kav P

        I can’t deny it any longer, it’s time I came clean:

        I killed all men. They’re all dead now. Like gamers.

        • Mr Corrections

          Independent confirmation: I am a men and I am dead now.

          I am literally a ghost.

          Kav P did it, revenge me.

          • Kav P

            A men to that!

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/oldenvye6432 oldenvye6432

    I think it’s been confirmed by now that Quinn is a piece of shit – Instigator, professional victim, sleeps around to influence others, sleeps with married men, shuts down game jams, steals charity funds, gets her friends to write puff pieces about her crappy game (if you can even call it that): Not criminal acts for the most part but overall she’s a pretty despicable human being and Gjoni’s biggest crime was to expose her many faults to the world.

    • Kav P

      I heard: “I think it’s been confirmed by now that FFFFAAAAAAARRRRRRTT”

      Would you mind clarifying? :)

    • Erik Miles

      “I’m just gonna list off an entire list of accusations, which you can bet were probably from the ‘Zoe Post’. I’ll briefly go into a ‘not-a-real-game’ tirade, (because lord knows, we haven’t heard that fucking sentiment before). And hell, why don’t I just throw in some outright lies while I’m at it. Because, let’s face it, I’m transparently just scared that gaming is opening up to other audiences and may not exclusively be catering to me any more.” -You

    • Kheesz

      I don’t know what’s worse, that you self describe as a “gamer” or “men’s rights enthusiast.”

      • Kav P

        I don’t know about you, Kheesz, but I looooove rights for men!

        • Kheesz

          What am I supposed to do with all these rights that I have? If anything I have too many.

          • Kav P

            Whatchoo gonna do with all those rights, all those rights inside your tights?

            (Joking aside, clarification that penis =/= man)

          • Young Yurk

            Oop here we go. The “I don’t care what science and every piece of evidence says, it’s not a mental illness!!!!” delusion. If you have a penis you’re a guy, end of story.

          • Mr Corrections

            Thank god, I’ve just been dumpster diving over at the med school and I’ve got dozens.

          • Kav P

            You just claimed that I don’t care about what science says, and then followed it up with the rest of your comment.

            Oh my God. I’m dying :’)

          • Young Yurk

            You don’t, LOL sorry that reality isn’t conforming to your feelings, but your mommy and daddy were wrong, you aren’t special and science has rules.

          • Kav P

            Go play some veedyuh where what you say might make sense.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL cuz reality doesn’t make sense to you. Now that’s funny

          • Kheesz

            “I know all about science!”

            *goes onto ignore science!”

            Now THAT is science!

          • Kav P

            Jinx! <3

          • Young Yurk

            LOL clearly someone who’s done the research here ^^^ (sarcasm)

          • Kav P

            Wait, that was SARCASM?

            Nooo, couldn’t be!

          • Young Yurk

            Well you guys have no sense of irony so I wouldn’t be surprised if you didn’t have any idea what sarcasm was.

          • Bruce Bane

            Can’t wait til you get your first divorce.

          • Kav P

            Go your own way. Women just can’t understand.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL women have the same rights as men buddy, ain’t no more discussion needed on rights females already have. Feminism is just an avenue for tumblrinas to cry about how the world should cater to them

          • Kav P

            Ha ha ha, you just said that and presumably expect to come across as a well-informed adult.

            Let’s just let that sit and fester for a while.

          • Young Yurk

            lol here we go, tumblrinas trying to deny reality. Sorry, but your feelings don’t matter one bit in the real world.

          • Kav P

            But but but gamers are dead

          • Young Yurk

            LOL what thought process went through your head that would make that comment would make sense here? It’s funny when tumblrinas try to communicate.

          • Kav P

            :’)

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh no a ghost!

          • Kav P

            #GamerGhost

          • Young Yurk

            oh I love this, the tumblrinas attempts at humor, please continue, I haven’t cringed in a while

          • Kav P

            For anyone interested in knowing what “ad hominem” actually looks like (as opposed to an insult). :)

          • Young Yurk

            LOL What? What point is being made here? So you don’t know irony, sarcasm, and now you show you have no idea what an ad hominem is. Any more surprises?

          • Kav P

            No, no, you’ve surprised me enough. :’)

          • Young Yurk

            LOL now your attempts at humor failed miserably so you’re copying me. Who could have ever guessed you were a 4 year old?

          • Kav P

            :’)

          • Kheesz

            For your information sir I’m 5 years old and some of my mom’s friends say I look 6!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey Yurk, what about the article?
            Did you come here just to get angry and do a little dance for us or did you actually, you know, read it?

            By all means continue your little dance though, it’s fun to watch.

          • Young Yurk

            Lol sorry buddy, but Zoe’s not going to sleep with you

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hm, I knew that already as I’m an Australian living in Australia and therefore unlikely to approach an American girl in America for the purpose of having sexual congress with a line like “hey-you were stalked, I don’t like your stalkers-can we have sex?” because that’s not how getting anyone to sleep with you works!

          • Young Yurk

            So you are so desperate to get laid, that no girl in your country will sleep with you, so you literally have to go across the world in the hopes that Zoe will sleep with you? LOL that is so sad and pathetic, but I’ve come to expect nothing less from you guys. And so you believe Zoe doesn’t like to be stalked so your solution is to stalk her? Stupid and desperate. And your last sentence shows you know it’s wrong yet you still do it? LOL you’re done.

          • ginmar

            Wow, you really can’t read, can you? All you saw was “girl” and “sex.”

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            Afadadfsadfsdf

          • Michael Lindsay

            You have such the active imagination Yurk, really your sexual fantasies are getting as intricate and detailed as GRR Martins Westeros.
            But really, do you have an opinion about the article or did you just come here to do that thing that people do with their sexual fantasies that involves Kleenex, and in the case of civilised people, privacy?

          • Young Yurk

            Bringing up sexual fantasies really shows that this has been your fantasy for a while. Potential rapist alert!

          • Michael Lindsay

            You still out there making farting noises? Yurk, stop farting!

          • Mr Corrections

            RING BELL
            LIGHT MATCH
            LIGHT CANDLES WITH MATCH
            WAVE CANDLES
            READ BOOK

          • Young Yurk

            LOL! Do people actually think this is funny on Tumblr?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m pretty sure that anyone who knows what Dungeon/Zork is (and obviously you don’t) is way too old for Tumblr. Let me know if you need any other video game references explained, serious gamer guy.

          • Young Yurk

            lol Tumblrina angry >:(

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

          • Kheesz

            I’m the Baryshnikov of Tumblr. I take that as a compliment.

          • Young Yurk

            99% of the world doesn’t

          • Kheesz

            I’d like to see your work on how you reached that number, you are a scientist after all.

          • Young Yurk

            Yes, I am. LOL you moron.

          • Young Yurk

            oh no, a special snowflake!

          • Kheesz

            “Your feelings don’t matter.”

            Oh my god a snide comment about men’s rights! Won’t someone please think of the menz!

          • Kav P

            Willing to place bets on how that point flies right over his head.

          • Kheesz

            You were right!

          • Young Yurk

            LOL oh look someone with no sense of irony!

          • Kheesz

            Hahahahaha oh god stop you’re too much.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL Awww I hurt the tumblrinas fee fees. Poor you :'(. Do you need a quiet room and some play doh?

          • Kav P

            XD

          • Mr Corrections

            Why? Are you in the market?

      • Young Yurk

        Yea! fuck basic human rights! LOL go back to tumblr, you’re annoying the grown ups.

        • Kheesz

          I was unaware the posting on the internet about eeeevil hoooman feeeeemales was a human right.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL what? Make sense next time.

    • nevalha

      Yeah, as much as this guy is a fuck up, she’s an absolutely wretched human being. Just because he should be frowned upon doesn’t mean she should be venerated, which she has and is running all the way to the bank with it.

      • Mr Corrections

        How dare A WOMAN make money! A WOMAN!!!

        • appleblossom

          Yeah, we are just supposed to survive on pure oxygen and whatever people throw at us while we cry in the streets.

          • Mr Corrections

            Wait, you want OXYGEN too? Is there no end to your social justicism!!!

      • Erik Miles

        “I’ll try to save face by saying Eron is ‘fucked up’, but let’s face, I’m just trying to find any reason at all to justify a campaign that literally has no reasonable justification.” – You

        • Mr Corrections

          Nah man, it’s about the journalism ethics. That’s why they’re harassing someone who isn’t a journalist.

      • Andrew Atkinson

        I have a hard time seeing how you can say that Eron is a fuck up and then using his bullshit to perpetuate baseless lies about Quinn. It makes no sense. But then again neither does coming into this comment section to gripe about a person who has done literally nothing to affect you in the first place!

        • Mark

          Read the zoe post, its not baseless.

          • Kav P

            “Read the zoe post, its not baseless.” – some guy

          • Frieda

            Wait, a guy wrote those things DOWN? And put them on the INTERNET? Whoa, I can’t believe I ever doubted, they must be true, there is no other explaination.

      • Mr Trainbeans

        if she’s making any money out of it it’s 4chan’s fault, and even if every damn word is true she still deserves every penny

    • Michael Lindsay

      It’s been confirmed now that Quinn is evidently a focus for the weird sex fantasies of you and a bunch of other frustrated men out there.

      Poor woman.

      • Mark

        Focus? Hardly

        She keeps forcing herself into the limelight, she better expect the horrible things shes done are going to be talked about,

        • Kav P

          Victim blaming 101. We could learn a lot from you, young gamer.

          • Jeremy Adkison

            As a proud gamer, these people truly embarrass me.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey, I love me some games too.

            But games have never been the focus of GamerGate! Hating women, progressives and trans people however…

          • Kav P

            Exacto.

            Won’t someone think about the ethics?! T__T

        • Michael Lindsay

          And this is backwards pretzel GG reasoning folks. We harassed someone and couldn’t stop talking about them and it’s their fault!

    • Mr Trainbeans

      the question is, who gives a shit? there are pedophiles and con artists who have received less public opprobrium than zoe what’s her name. was the response proportional, appropriate, or sane? you all look like lunatics

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  • Silpheed

    I think I got this sorted out. These are white knights for Gjoni, and gamergate is social justice warriors for men. k

    • Kav P

      He’s got a girlfriend, I’m not sure what they’re hoping to gain out of it.

  • Laura Eyring

    The comment’s section in its entirety has created a perfect snapshot of what this article is talking about. Thank you for showing everyone exactly what GamerGate is all about.

    • Erik Miles

      That tends to happen a lot with articles involving ‘gaters…

    • Kav P

      I call it Butts’ Law.

    • Bobby

      Glad we could get the truth out there. Happy to have helped.

      • Kav P

        You certainly did!

    • Mark

      Calling out garbage reporting, no problem

    • videmus

      I’m afraid if we don’t put a stop to Gjoni’s violent hatred, he will act out like the UVa gang rapists and seek to harm either Zoe or his current girlfriend. Then it will be too late. The city of Boston has a moral responsibility to protect its people.

  • William Burr

    How…how can you get away with this? This is a scurrilous hit-piece on someone identified right off the bat as *being under a court-ordered silence*. You kept talking about this mans physical characteristics and compared them to others, unfavorably, like you were drawing a political cartoon in the 1940’s of a Japanese person, all slant-eyes and yellow skin on the bad side, muscles and pearly-white complexion on the hero side. It’s just…there really oughta be a law, if there isn’t.

    • Mr Corrections

      Won’t someone think about the stalkers!

      • William Burr

        They’d have to actually be stalkers, to be stalkers. But then, actually having reasons before calling people all kinds of horrible things isn’t exactly important to people like you.

        • Mr Corrections

          I’m sorry that you can’t admit your pathetic manbaby hero Gjoni is a dangerous lunatic.

          • William Burr

            No you’re not. You don’t have any real feelings. You’ve never said “sorry” in your life without crossing fingers or rolling your eyes behind an actual person’s back.

          • Kav P

            … How do you know all this?

            Have you been…. stalking them?

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes, the only people with feelings are people just like you (bronies). The rest of us were hoping you’d never work that out! I guess we’ll just have to enact our backup plan of mercilessly mocking e.g. your extensive fedora collections.

          • William Burr

            perhaps if you, mr corrections, and your friend mr kav p, tag-team LITERALLY EVERY PERSON IN THE THREAD SOME MORE, you’ll get your point across.

            Your point is that you’re horrible, awful, terrible people, and that if you express an opinion, anybody with an ounce of humanity in them should ally themselves with the opposite opinion, right?

            Because 100% sincere not kidding not arguing no fooling: That is what you’re accomplishing here.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, your fedora collection is obviously a sore point with you.

          • William Burr

            truly, since you’ve mentioned it several times and me not even once

            PROJECTION FOR 100, ALEX

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re not fooling anyone. You also have a collection of mall katanas and plush toys, obviously, but I figured the fedoras were the most laughable thing about you.

            I hope that helps!

          • William Burr

            Are we confused about the idea of projection?

            These ideas are all coming from you. They have nothing to do with me. You’re describing yourself, but (for some indescribable reason) attributing it to me. Anything higher than invertebrate knows how this works.

            So, uh, congratulations on the plushies, I guess?

          • Mr Corrections

            You do realise that “I know you are but what am I?” doesn’t work past fourth grade, right? Well, I mean, obviously you don’t – probably it is because the fedoras cut off circulation to critical areas of your brain – but I am only trying to help, here.

          • William Burr

            “It doesn’t work, it doesn’t make people respond!” (responds)

            So, holy crap, just going on sheer volume of mention here…how many fedoras must you *own*, exactly?

            (in the interest of disclosure, I own one, because I wore one in a community theater production in which I played Sam Spade, and it was part of my costume, and was afterward given me).

            What’s your excuse for owning as many as you must? They’re clearly on your brain, in spades (yuk yuk).

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re obviously broken, but not sorry enough to not despise you for being so gross.

          • William Burr

            So we’ve moved on to total non-sequiteur. Okay.

            Don’t worry buddy. Between the two of us, I sure as shit amn’t worried about *me* being the one who’s broken. After all, you’re the one piling on an abuse survivor while being really feisty about being a shitheel. That must translate into wonders for your personal life. Romantics going well? Job? Laughs. We all know it’s going badly, and you’re the only one who can’t figure out why.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you think there’s any doubt that you own a dozen fedoras. There is not.

            I hope that helps!

          • William Burr

            I’m sorry that in a forum whose topic is domestic abuse, your topic of importance, and the direction you keep dragging conversation into, is head fashion.

          • Mr Corrections

            The fedora is a known warning sign on anyone under 60 years old. This is not in dispute.

          • William Burr

            Then why is it your totem animal? Everything you say is made of felt. I only said I own one (given to me for being awesome). To wear one is a badge of dishonor to you. But then, how is every word you say utterly suffused with fedora, inextricable from that which you claim to hate so much?

            Obviously in such cases, that much overt hate masks a much deeper love, even kinship.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re so hilariously and obviously upset about me pointing out your fedora fetish. If I had to do this series of posts over again, I would have been more sensitive to your brony feelings.

          • Kav P

            Ha ha ha ha, “Mr” Kav P

            SURPRISE

        • Jeremy Adkison

          Right, he just happened to obsess over this women endlessly, to this very day, and deliberately admits to an organized campaign of harassment.

          No, that’s not a text book stalker.

          #Facepalm

          • William Burr

            Yeah except none of that is true. The obsess isn’t true, the organized part isn’t true, the harassment isn’t true.

            So where does that leave people continuing to heap shit on the dude?

            (spoiler: Not in a good place. Perhaps a read through of Ron Johnson’s *So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed* might inform you as to what exactly your role here is.) (double spoiler:: you’re a small part of a witch-hunt)

    • Mark

      Someone who can’t fight back, easy target.

      • Mr Corrections

        That’s the GamerGate motto, alright.

        • Kav P

          Too bad the people they target fight back anyway, much to their chagrin.

    • Erik Miles

      “I’m gonna ignore the fact that Eron has willingly ignored the court order on a number of other occasions. I’m also gonna compare Eron being called ‘skinny’, to racist caricatures of the Japanese from the 1940’s.” – You

      • William Burr

        Oh, so you want to ignore where she describes his hair color, compares his musculature to others, his eye contact and describes his eyes, etc?

        Ok.

        You want to ignore the part where he *compels the dude* to ignore the court order so that he can write this article? Ok.

        Jesus, you people.

      • Ruth
        • Kav P

          LISTEN AND BLEEEEV ERON

          • Ruth

            Yeah cause he’s got actual evidence lol.

  • Erik Miles

    Say; let’s play a game. It’s called “Spot the Assumption in the Gater Comment”.
    Spot which comments echo the sentiments of these assumptions (courtesy of Dan Olson)

    “1.) There are no real problems with inclusion or representation in gaming

    2.) Any problems that do exist don’t matter because that’s just market economics appealing to the majority of players

    3.) The status quo, as they perceive it through the lens of assumptions 1 and 2, is a natural state, thus any disruption is inherently artificial.”

    You’ll be pleasantly (or not-so-pleasantly) surprised how many times they come up.

  • Victor Gaspar

    I just read it. So he called her out in public about her bullshit. She sounds like a real piece of shit. This stuff happens all the time in relationships/flings. I recently found out my ‘girlfriend’ who worked in NYC at a ‘Spa/Massage Parlor’…as a Receptionist…was really a Prostitute. I found the condoms she was bringing to work. Big fight…”They are old.” “You have to Trust.” “You think bad things about me.” she says. So why is she packing them for ‘work’? I break up with her and the IDIOT forgets to change her address. She was making $3,000 a week in CASH deposits…while she was with me…having unprotected sex. So I posted ’50 Ways to Tell If Your Girlfriend is a Prostitute’ on Youtube. She was so stupid, as Prostitutes tend to be…she actually responded in messages on the post. I’ve been going through our messages and figuring out just what was going on…matching lying texts and messages to the dates on the bank statement. It hurt for sure. A lot. It’s good to know the truth. It’s getting a lot harder for you ladies to lie and manipulate guys into trusting you, when all the evidence comes to the front, you bear no resemblance to someone who should be trusted. So let’s just say…I understand.

    • Mr Corrections

      You’re garbage.

      I hope that helps!

      • Victor Gaspar

        You’re defending Prostitutes now too?
        Good for you.

        • Kav P

          What does that even mean

          Why are you bringing up sex workers and why are you talking about them like they are bad

          You’re weird.

        • Mr Corrections

          Sure am! I’m anti-garbage.

    • Kav P

      Yawn.

      • Victor Gaspar

        Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….

    • appleblossom

      I am sure that happened. Really. Truly. 100%

      • Victor Gaspar

        Man you can’t make this shit up. I WISH it didn’t happen. Jeez. Like I ain’t had enough crap in my life. Ugh!

        • appleblossom

          Yes actually you can make it up. Which is what you did.

  • Ben Garrison

    slanderous hit piece… quinn’s crimes are well documented

    she’s pulled a knife on a previous roommate and lied to judges

    shame on all of you supporting her

    • Mr Corrections

      How dare she not be perfect, according to you! Time for 10,000 death threats!

      • Ben Garrison

        mr corrections…. i am glad you have never dealt with a sociopath in your life, but zoe quinn fits the description to a ‘T’, proven by her threatening false rape allegations at randi harper’s former employer

        • Mr Corrections

          I’m sorry that you think I give a shit what you think. I don’t.

          • Ben Garrison

            mr corrections I am beginning to doubt your motives.. or should I say ‘john flynt’

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

        • Michael Lindsay

          Not the guy summoning the horde of women hating nerds to hassle his ex, his ex is the sociopath.

          Riiighhht.

      • Michael Lindsay

        I think this is how it works, if you aren’t the Virgin Mary or the Buddha how dare you be complaining about harassment.

        Unless you’re from GamerGate or that chap who wore the shirt with underwear clad ladies all over it of course!

        • Ruth

          No one’s saying she deserves the harassment. Just don’t support someone who is clearly an abuser.

          • Kav P

            You realise there’s a difference between “support” and “think that what’s happened to her is disgusting and warrants condemnation”, right?

          • Ruth

            Yeah, but a lot of people blindly support her. I apologize if you are not doing so.

          • Michael Lindsay

            According to a self serving rant by her jilted ex.

            Yep.

          • Ruth

            There’s tons of evidence and he is not the only one to describe behavior like this from her.

      • Ruth

        I think gaslighting your significant other and emotionally abusing them and cheating on them repeatedly deserves a little more credit than “not perfect.”

        • Mr Corrections

          What part of this is anybody’s business but theirs and a court of laws, exactly? How do her (completely fucking fictional) misdeeds justify the endless death threats? What the fuck is wrong with you to make you think this?

          • Ruth

            Completely fucking fictional? That’s hilarious. Shows how little research you’ve done. If you actually look at the ZP, Eron provides evidence of every claim. He went OUT OF HIS WAY to prove that she’s an abusive, manipulative, liar. I posted a link to you in another comment that analyzes the chatlogs in the ZP to make this clear.

          • Mr Corrections

            What part of this is anybody’s business but theirs and a court of laws,
            exactly? How do her (completely fucking fictional) misdeeds justify the
            endless death threats? What the fuck is wrong with you to make you think
            this?

          • Ruth

            And it is people’s fucking business because she’s a public figure with a cult of personality behind her and because she touts herself as an activist for the mentally ill, the abused, and the harassed. Someone who is an abuser should obviously not be lauded as the spokesperson against abuse.

          • Mr Corrections

            Wrong, idiot.

  • Adam Raymond Ravenhurst

    I love the guy who’s like, we want to go back to the fifties, when video games weren’t influenced by women. What video games were out in the 1950s again?

    Ping pong?

    • Frieda

      Ladies can’t do ping pong. Our uteruses get in the way.

      • hams

        You made me snort laugh, thanks

  • The Leader of Gamergate

    My favorite part about the people launching themselves to Ms Quinn’s defense is how they respond to any criticism with attitudes that wouldn’t be uncharacteristic of a small, petulant child, while simultaneously mounting themselves on a soapbox in outrage if anyone dares question the unassailability of the character of Zoe, or any of the other sketchy players.

    • Erik Miles

      Assumption #1
      Assumption #3

    • Ben Garrison

      cultish behavior…. all over a choose your own adventure web page

    • Kheesz

      Only one group of people I’ve seen have acted like children in that they can’t stop pissing themselves over toys.

      • thegodemperor

        Are you calling games toys? Are you going to claim books, movies, TV series, etc are all toys then too? If not, then stfu. At least games will challenge your mind more so than the boobtoob.

        • Erik Miles

          Well, you certainly can’t have it both ways
          I mean, you can’t rightly say that games are art, but within the same breath, say that social critics should “Stop looking into it so much, it’s just a game.”

          • appleblossom

            Doublethink is not just a concept from 1984 any more.

          • thegodemperor

            Or you could realize it’s not easy to generalize games or books or movies or so. Some are thought provoking and serious art, others are just entertaining.

          • Erik Miles

            “But it’s just a dumb popcorn movie/game”
            Is a lousy excuse.
            Because even dumb popcorn movies, there is a craft to it and one should be critical even of those forms of entertain. There’s no need to downplay to medium to do that.

          • thegodemperor

            Never said they don’t take effort to craft, but that doesn’t mean they were meant to be deep thought provoking things either. It depends on the game or the movie or the book or whatnot. It can’t be generalized to the whole medium like others have been here.

          • Erik Miles

            “But’s it’s just a dumb fun!”

            Again, that’s a cowardly response, and completely disrespectful to the medium you hold so dear.

          • thegodemperor

            When did I say that? Will you get some reading comprehension? Seriously. Go back to school. You fail at reading. I said there are games that are pure entertainment that aren’t meant to be thought provoking, but there are games that are. The same as books and movies and music and TV and all sorts of entertainment out there. It doesn’t cheapen the medium either that there are such things as they hold their own value to society.

            Please, go learn to read correctly.

          • Erik Miles

            And it’s still a cowardly response.
            “Independence Day” may be considered a “dumb popcorn movie”, but that doesn’t suddenly mean it get’s a free pass from critique just because it was “meant to be dumb”.

          • thegodemperor

            No one is saying they are free from criticism, but if you’re going after a movie that’s meant to be pure entertainment and trying to analyze it like some great thinking piece then you’re a shitty critic. You’re not analyzing it under the right paradigms. You should make sure to note it’s not a thought provoking movie, but don’t pretend to scrutinize it under the same rule set.

        • hams

          Do you know how fucking dumb it would look if someone tried to start a movement against ‘the ethics of Movie Journalism’? Book journalism? Please let me know how Call of Duty and The Sims have challenged your mind so incredibly. (are you challenged by most things?) Two of the most popular game franchises in history, so don’t act like they aren’t relevant.

          • thegodemperor

            And keep being a small minded. There were and are groups against the corruption of movies/TV shows/etc and reviewers. There are still people that mock Hollywood and the Oscars and such for the incestuous like nature.

            Oh, and games can be both art or just entertainment. Depends on the game. And you might want to look into some research. and news stories

            http://www.bbc.com/news/health-22245620

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/11/playing-video-games-is-good-for-your-brain/

            You scream like some old fart who just can’t understand something so you must hate it. Pretty pathetic.

          • hams

            Nah dude, I’ve been playing games as long or longer than you have, don’t waste my time with that shit. Who are those groups you mentioned? I certainly don’t know because nobody cares. Do you know why nobody cares? Because they don’t hide outside of peoples work at night. They don’t make rape and death threats to someone who isn’t even a journalist and has only made one game.

            You fuckin bilbos well never understand that the only reason GG isn’t 100% a joke is because of the violent misogyny associated with it.

          • thegodemperor

            lol, been playing games as long or longer eh? How does that matter in any way? There’s no actual argument or valid point with that. Don’t pretend it does. Even if you have been playing games doesn’t mean you don’t have an opinion on it that is old fashioned or not accurate to everything.

            And man, you really are just too set in your opinion without caring to look at anything objectively to be a worth a damn discussing such with.

          • hams

            How does it not matter? How am I small minded because I disagree with GG conspiracy theories? I’ve been reading games journalism shit for decades, this is the lamest shit I”ve ever seen. It’s a matter of experience. People like you think ‘are videogames art’ is a new discussion. IT’S NOT. You’re just the latest batch of whining children to latch onto the issues, and you’ve chosen the most misogynist ineffective method possible.

            I’m not dead set, it’s just the dozens of you I’ve spoken to couldn’t argue their way out of a wet paper bag. Your so called proof isn’t actually evidence of any of the things that you’re claiming. You’re serving shit and calling it steak.

          • thegodemperor

            I think some video games are art. Technically art just meant something that was worked, so almost everything is art by that definition, but by what society has come to understand as art, some games are. As some movies are. As some books are. But not every book is, not every movie is, not every game is, etc. It depends. Stop generalizing all games to not be art.

            And what conspiracy theories do you mean specifically? If you mean some underhanded/evil working together between game journalists and the developers/publishers? Sure, I don’t agree with that. I don’t think most of them (especially the ones who many gamers would agree to be good for years before GG and even now after) are working behind the scenes giving false reviews.

            Now, if you pretend it never happens, well, you need to really learn a bit more, son. There are cases of publishers not giving people review copies unless they only say positive shit and some have. Not all, but the ones who have are the problem that give a bad rep to the rest. It’s not a black and white issue though.

            And what do you mean “dozens of you I’ve spoken to” what dozens? There’s only me. Or are you engaging in a “you’re either GG or not-GG” bs black and white mindset? Seriously, if you’re thinking like that, grow up.

    • Kav P

      My favourite part about people launching themselves to GamerGate’s defence is how they think that anyone outside of GamerGate is buying their snake oil 8 months later.

      Go play some veedyuh, little Goat.

      • Ben Garrison

        the truth has come out about zoe quinn sexually harassing others…. and her collusion with phil fish

        • Kav P

          lol

        • Kheesz

          Can you also tell me the truth of what happened to WTC 7?

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        See, it’s responses like this that make it impossible to have a reasonable debate.

        • Kav P

          This was never a debate. This is an Internet mob.

          • thegodemperor

            The fact you think that and never even try to be objective and learn everything is exactly what’s wrong with society as a whole these days. It’s why there’s such “left vs right” bs paradigms in the “debates” of the US or even the UK or so. It does nothing but divide and conquer and prevent any sorta progress or growth.

            And you’re not alone in this and it’s not like it’s just “one side” that does it. It’s too many of all possible positions.

          • hams

            HOO BOY. This isn’t the political divide. It’s not a national issue. It’s a handful of raging melvins getting shouted down because their rhetoric is so vile and hateful that even the internet is embarrassed by it. All you dumbos have accomplished is making ZQ much more famous than she was before you started. That’s great for her and super embarrassing for you

          • thegodemperor

            Compare the way political “sides” talk to each other than compare the GG and anti-GG people. It’s similar. Is it identical? no, but it’s VERY similar.

            And not sure why you put me into any group when I don’t care for ZQ or anyone really in this instance. Just a news story to read. You’ve proven my point about how this is like the political divide bs. People just lumping anyone into a group as if it’s so shallow and simple and because it’s either “with us or against us” mentality.

          • hams

            It’s not similar. One side is a hate group that sprang up in response to a woman DARING to criticize gaming, when they caught backlash they tried to turn themselves into the victims.

            Do you know why they call their opponents Anti-GG? Because there is no single coherent group of people who are revolted by their behavior but rather several.
            Their attitude is GG or Anti-GG.
            The attitude of the people they are against is “hey you fuckers stop abusing women or making excuses for people that do”

            Yes it is easy to get drawn into an us or them mentality. Frankly part of that is because every single GG I’ve encountered argues the exact same points with the exact same lack of self-awareness. They practically follow a formula. Argue with them long enough and they invariably fall to using misogynist language, threats of violence, or relentless insults.

            You can’t even get these guys to admit that nothing ZQ did is an excuse for death threats.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Who’s the mob, though? A group of people concerned with keeping journalism honest or a collective of rabid, vapid SJWs that want everything that doesn’t cater to them vilified and torn down?

          • Kav P

            lmao

            If you’re concerned about keeping games journalism honest, why do you have such a strong opinion about Zoe Quinn, not a journalist?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I personally don’t care about Zoe Quinn, it’s more about the men that she slept with for good coverage that are to blame. It’s just really scummy that a person would debase themselves to such a degree, but some people will do anything for money.

          • Kav P

            “I personally don’t care about Zoe Quinn”

            Says “The Leader of GamerGate”, 8chan afficionado, repeating things that were first claimed in “The Zoe Post”.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            There’s nothing wrong with browsing websites of viewpoints that conflict with your own, you know.

          • Mr Corrections

            wait, she SLEPT WITH MEN?!? run the hussy out of town!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            There’s nothing wrong with sleeping with men, but it’s not terribly ethical to exchange goods or services for journalistic rewards. Feel free to argue this, but I don’t think you can. Before you do, imagine if the Koch brothers bought out your favorite flannel shirt review magazine and were determined to influence the market on them and lensless glasses

          • Michael Lindsay

            Lampshading the utter lack of journalistic rewards of course!

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s perfectly legal to sleep with anyone for whatever reason you fucking please (assuming you’re both consenting adults), and not only is it none of your goddam business, but it doesn’t justify one second of the threats and harassments you vile losers have sent her way. What the hell is wrong with you?

            I hope that helps!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Wow, you really ate up that grouchy ex’s whining didn’t you?
            Also “I don’t care about Zoe Quinn, but Zoe Quinn, Zoe Quinn also Zoe Quinn”-dude, really?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You’re the once that keeps bringing her up, nice fedora.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I also got a tophat and a fez.
            So-we’ve swapped talking about pillow talk and tragic lovers tales for fashion now?
            You boys should man up and admit you really like gossip and treat yourself to a cup of hot chocolate and an issue of Cosmo!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You’re projecting quite a lot. I personally love talking shit, but my interest in GamerGate is only tangentially related to such. I think you should go back to comparing “gamers” to Nazis, it was a much better delusion for you to blanket yourself in.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I personally love talking shit

            ’nuff said!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Nothing wrong with that, you seem to like it too, but you need some practice. I suggest picking juggalos or neo-nazis that somehow stumble onto the internet, they won’t be able to handle even your lukewarm banter.

          • hams

            That’s weird, you haven’t named a single one of them. None of you have mentioned them by name. None of you are splashing their personal information of waving around their chatlogs. You are it’s not about ZQ?

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh no, not Social Justice!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You’re an awful poster, please stop. Your posting has caused more harm to the SJW community than any meal ready to eat or whatever you call people that disagree with you.

          • Kav P

            :’)

          • Mr Corrections

            Hahahahaha wow. You’re beyond a joke.

          • hams

            Great, why are 99% of the GG comments about ZQ? None of ya’ll can think of a single ethics issue that doesn’t revolve around stalking and threatening a woman?

        • Michael Lindsay

          I don’t debate Gators, I mock them. Same with Nazis, creationists and truthers. See when someone is that far up their own fundament they can’t see outside their own ribcage, let alone the trees for the wood!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m glad to see Godwin didn’t forget to stop by in this thread.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Didntt say all Gamergaters are Nazis, or creationists or truthers. Well-except for Weev with the big swastika tattoo and probably Vox Day!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You drew the comparison with the statement that you wouldn’t debate any of them, which implies that they are on the same level, or in the same group. If you don’t understand how this works, I suggest you tip your fedora a little less, as your brain is clearly rattled.

          • Michael Lindsay

            They are on the same level-of barking crazy.
            That doesn’t mean they’re all guilty of the holocaust.

  • David Robinson

    To all the hysterical misogynists that sympathise with Gjoni and have all of a sudden become ultra conservative in lieu of a female outrageously exhibiting behaviour that is practically celebrated among male society – don’t let the door hit your hypocrisy on the way out.

    • Ben Garrison

      bribing for positive reviews is not looked upon in a positive light… perhaps you don’t understand

      • Erik Miles

        Would you mind linking to this supposed review, please?
        I’m sure we’d all love to see it.

        • appleblossom

          it was only published in Neverexistedstan. In Esperanto.

        • Patrick Dexter

          Positive coverage, a sort of mini review that’s just one sentence saying hey this game looks great.

          • appleblossom

            That brings up the question of what kind of sex having happens to get good reviews.

            HJ-quick “not bad.
            BJ-short paragraph
            MS-full article
            Around the World-half the magazine?

          • Frieda

            Well, gosh, if this is what happens to Zoe, I can’t imagine what happened to the writer! You know, the actual journalist? The one who had the professional responsibility? If what you say is really true, then he committed a massive ethical fuckup! All she did was sleep with a guy and they did that to her, then what they did to Grayson must have been off the charts.

            …Oh wait.

          • appleblossom

            They took him back in time and left him on the Titanic.

            Filed under things that never happened.

          • Patrick Dexter

            Well in addition to from what I remember getting pretty similar tweets we actually got his website Kotaku to update their policies, had him reprimanded and according to their parent company Gawker cost them about a million dollars in ad revenue- not exactly a walk in the park :)

          • Frieda

            Also, why does EVERYBODY always forget this part? Gjoni even backpedaled on the “positive coverage” spin. The “Valve Greenlights” article was published THREE MONTHS BEFORE ZOE WAS ACCUSED OF SLEEPING WITH GRAYSON.

          • Patrick Dexter

            He’s in the credits of Depression Quest which go so far as to say without him the game wouldn’t have been possible, so sorry but the they weren’t friends before he wrote the game was good can’t possibly work.

          • Frieda
          • Patrick Dexter

            I repeat, she singled him out as saying the game couldn’t have happened without him.

          • Frieda

            No, actually, she didn’t. She lists a long list of names, and at the end she says, “Thanks to…(massive list of names) for their amazing support during a really difficult time. This game would have been dead in the water without you all.”

            You all. All. Not singling him out. A nice gesture towards a guy who gave her some helpful feedback. All pretty clear and laid out. You really should look into things yourself before believing a faceless internet mob. You can’t believe everything you read.

          • hams

            DEAR GOD WHAT A SCANDAL

          • Patrick Dexter

            I’ll take that as conceding there was positive coverage with an undisclosed friendly relationship.

          • hams

            You guys will literally take anything you can get, huh? Should I end every sentence with (THIS SENTENCE IS/IS NOT SARCASTIC)?

      • Mr Corrections

        Good news! That is a completely fictional justification for GamerGate’s grotesque behaviour!

    • William Burr

      Okay, how about the people who’ve read a bunch of his writings and her writings, and think that in their relationship, she was hella abusive, and that it’s really gross to try to paint him as the abuser when he was clearly the passive enabler?

      • Kav P

        How about those people who think that this whole facade is nobody’s business but the two parties involved and the courts of law?

        • appleblossom

          they are no fun. They probably even like cats!

        • William Burr

          Um, it’s hard to take your “This is nobody’s business but the two parties” position seriously when you have like 8,000 posts on the subject piling on one side. Obviously you have an opinion. So does everyone else. So does the author of the “article” upon whose work you’re posting.

          Stop trying to negate their experiences, shitlord!

          Though really, survivors of abuse should be able to post their experiences without people abuse-shaming them. It’s sad this article is, and it’s sad that you are.

          • Kav P

            lmao

            I have an opinion that it’s nobody’s business so Gjoni farting a hit piece and orchestrating an Internet mob to destroy his former partner is a disgraceful thing to do.

            Believe it or not, the two are not mutually exclusive.

          • William Burr

            You’re not laughing. Nobody in the history of “lmao” has ever been laughing when they posted that. You’re making this face:

            😐

            Gjoni didn’t write a “hit piece.” He wasn’t a journalist or writer or anything comparable. He posted a tale of himself getting abused the fuck out of, on a space where he felt comfortable. It was a small space. It became big because of how strongly his small tale of getting abused, by someone who some others considered a public figure, resonated.

            You’re the one disgracing him for it.

          • Kav P

            Won’t somebody think about the poor stalker who thought it was anyone’s business but the courts’ what did or did not happen in his previous relationship?

          • William Burr

            Anyone with a shred of intelligence and compassion and empathy figures in: “What if I’m wrong?”

            Your entire justification for being horrible about this fellow human being is based on “He’s a stalker.”

            He’s not a stalker. The things in this article are incredibly wrong, notated across thousands of pages of internet text I’m sure you won’t look up.

            But he’s not. So, if there’s a shred of human left in that shell, consider: What *if* he’s not? Where does that leave you, and the things you’ve said?

          • Kav P

            If he’s not a stalker, he has still unleashed a world of hell on his former partner, which makes him an arsehole and the people functioning as his attack dogs scum.

          • William Burr

            You’re victim-blaming. You’re saying that by telling his tale of abuse to the world, he’s responsible for the world’s reaction to the perpetrator of abuse.

            This makes you incredibly shitty.

          • Kav P

            Oh, my heart bleeds. He’s suffered so much as a result of this betrayal.

          • William Burr

            Oh! So harm is your metric!

            You want to compare Patreons to determine absolute guilt next?

            Jesus, how can you continue to be so relentlessly shitty.

            A dude outed his horrible ex for abusing him horribly, and provided the screen-shots that double-down backed this up.

            A bunch of shitty dudes latched onto it, and signal-boosted the damn thing into the stratosphere.

            Why is it impossible for you to recognize that both of the people here, now having been exposed to the Sauron’s Eye of the world at large, thanks to memes and viral exposure and social media and shit, have been exposed to serious shit, but NOT RECOGNIZE that in the nascent beginnings of said shit, dude was abused and lady did the abusing?

            Why is that version of events, incredibly well backed-up, so threatening to you, to the point where you’d heap abuse upon a person that hundreds-of-thousands of other people identify as a survivor of an abusive relationship?

          • Kav P

            Yawn.

            You honestly think it’s because she’s a woman that people disapprove of a mob trying to destroy her life, don’t you?

            Go play some veedyuh.

          • William Burr

            Nobody who has ever said “yawn” online has even actually yawned while doing it.

            And no, I “honestly” don’t think yadda. I think the original story resonated with people because people who read their chat logs understood that a serial abuser had abused the crap out of a person, and they wanted some resolution to that.

            In a way, that’s happened, complete with opposing sides. You’re on the bad one.

          • David Robinson

            His ‘tale of abuse’? he’s not a cult survivor, he’s just a guy who couldn’t keep a girl that he loved. His male pride couldn’t take it so he made her out to be some kind of monster, in the hope that if everyone else thought she was shit he wouldn’t look like such a heartbroken loner.

          • William Burr

            He’s not a cult survivor, but that’s not the metric for surviving abuse. Anyone with any clinical or academic experience with domestic abuse can read the logs and know it for exactly which way the power dynamic worked.

            So maybe you’re ignorant! Or maybe you’re uneducated! Probably you just have some ulterior motive for coming down where you do.

            It’s still an incredibly shitty place to come down.

          • hams

            Hey pal! *I’m* laughing! Seriously how much should I donate to ZQ on your behalf?

          • William Burr

            A million billion dollars. I’m long past caring a whit what people donate to scammers. Give a million bucks to somebody who says they just want change for the bus, or a zillion dollars to somebody who draws a rusty piece of metal across your windshield.

            HAW HAW HAW

          • hams

            Glad you’re on board, would you like to add any special message, since it’s in your honor?

          • William Burr

            Sure, you can sign the check “I am also stupid.”

          • hams

            Weird but ok.

            Donation in honor of William Burr who wanted to say “I am also stupid.”

          • William Burr

            Oh noes! :(

            Is absolutely not what I’m thinking. If you gave money to charity (which I doubt) I’m just glad you did something decent (which you probably didn’t).

      • Erik Miles

        You do realize of course that, by Eron’s own admission, he embellished a lot of the initial post to “make it seem more dramatic”, right?

        • William Burr

          Uh, no. Maybe you’ve heard that somewhere, but it’s not real. No chats were altered. There’s lots of commentary, sure. But anyone with a working brain ignores commentary. It’s what’s in the unaltered pictures that’s important. And it’s self-explanatory, to anyone who’s actually been abused, worked with the abused, or really has any sort of conscience at all.

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you DIDN’T read the article, did you? Gjoni says so IN THIS ARTICLE. It’s a quote.

          • William Burr

            The “article” is a shit piece of things picked out of context to give a false impression…did that somehow slip past you? Did you honestly read this entire thing and just NOD all the way through? That would be the mark of an incredibly stupid person.

          • Kav P

            I am of course referring to the DIRECT QUOTE from Gjoni saying that he dramatised things. Read the article and stop farting.

          • appleblossom

            Are you expecting him to read the article when there is faux righteous outrage to be had?!

          • Kav P

            They’re like the SJW bogeyman they keep talking about.

          • William Burr

            And you’re *choosing* to interpret his admission of “dramatising things” as an admission of him falsifying everything (apparently including all of her message logs, for some reason). This is not remotely rational.

            Plenty of people have examined these things, *having removed his commentary, knowing it came from an emotional place*, and have seen it for what it is. If you delete all of his contribution, her side stands on its own, and it’s the portrait of an abuser.

          • Erik Miles

            Well, if he was just “stating it as it was”, why dramatize it? Why do that unless you actually wanted to attract a certain audience?

          • Hinochi

            The same reason the news dramatizes life. To keep a persons interest.

          • William Burr

            Because he was fucking devastated! Jesus!

            It wasn’t a piece of news, it was a thing he sent off to people he identified with, as an expression of anger and sadness and having been betrayed!

            It wasn’t “to attract a certain audience.” He’s not a fucking brand. He’s not the fucking Michelin man. He’s just some dude who, a year ago, was totally unknown. You’re looking at the now and applying all this brou-ha-ha to what happened a year ago, when it was just a couple hundred folks posting shit on message boards to each other.

            That’s an incredibly, *incredibly*, unsympathetic way of looking at things. Especially now, when one of the people involved in this domestic dispute has been catapulted to media stardom as an angel, and one is pretty much on par with Saddam making videos in his spider-hole.

            The injustice, especially considering the disparity of outcome, is…breath-taking.

          • Kav P

            Next time I have a shitty breakup I’m going to dramatise the shit out of it and not alter the names like a normal passive-aggressive person.

          • William Burr

            Of course you will, and we expect that, because any reasonable person here can see that you’re not a decent person.

          • Kav P

            It’s all out in the open, isn’t it?

            Everything I say just makes me look more and more like a mean person who lacks empathy.

            I just can’t escape from it!

            (Also, I was being Gjoni and you just said that it makes me “not a decent person”. I think you just got owned.)

          • William Burr

            Everything was accurate except your parentheticals.

          • Erik Miles

            Again, if you’re trying to get me to feel sympathy for man like Eron, you’re sadly barking up the wrong tree.

            You don’t get to beg for sympathy when you knowingly air out your dirty laundry, and it turns out you end up being the abuser by doing so. You don’t get to choose how the media reacts, no matter how well you “dramatize it”.

            “But she got a whole lot of money”
            Because money totally wipes away that kind of thing, right?

          • hams

            Uh dude, posting it in front of two of the largest gaming communities ON THE INTERNET does not qualify as ‘venting’. It wasn’t an email, a blog, or even a tweet. He went out of his way to put his story in front of as many ‘sympathetic’ people as possible.

            I tell ya what buckaroo. You’re the third person to inspire me to donate some money to ZQ. So how much should I give? You’re directly responsible for generating revenue for her!

          • William Burr

            Go ahead and do the “weaponized charity” thing. Give her all the monies, I don’t give a shit. This is America, and in America you’re allowed to do the stupidest things as hard as you want to, which you obviously whole-heartedly intend to pursue. She will eat the finest sushies I’m sure, and give a small toast in your dumbass honor.

          • hams

            No it will be in your honor buddy. I’m going to put your name on it. Here zoe, $50 in honor of william burr. aren’t you excited?

          • William Burr

            I am! Only total morons think that they’re doing something interesting when they donate to a cause they think their supposed opponents will find distasteful.

            Give money to as many scammers as you want. You get poorer. Scammers get richer. I never expected anything else, because obviously scammers are always going to scam idiots out of their money.

          • hams

            Damn it just eats you up that the ‘hated woman’ is successful. Damn that must burn!

          • William Burr

            Nope! I think “Mmm, tacos.” Also, a whole bunch of other people got to think “mmm tacos.”

            Because really it’s about tacos in people’s stomachs.

          • Kav P

            lol you just told me I’m not being remotely irrational directly after making a HUGE leap of logic based on me mentioning Gjoni’s quote. :’)

          • Erik Miles

            Dude, the man admitted even admitted to “having other people read it before posting it.” This post wasn’t just a man “gushing it out on a blog”. It was calculated and meticulously constructed.

          • Hinochi

            It was calculated because he wanted to make sure it was as objective as possible.

          • William Burr

            Uh. Having someone read what you wrote is not evidence of being “calculated” or “meticulous.” Those are ridiculous claims. Every teenage girl who writes a nasty facebook post has people do the same. If this is your bar for something malicious, then your bar is seriously messed up.

          • Kav P

            “Every teenage girl who writes a nasty facebook post has people do the same.”

            Citation needed.

          • appleblossom

            Having dealt with them in the past, most teenage girls barely realise they hurt someone’s feelings by posting most of their nonsense.

          • William Burr

            You…want a citation..for teenaged girls, getting together and talking about things before one of them posts something on facebook.

            You are not a normally-functioning person, are you.

          • Kav P

            The point.

            You missed it.

          • William Burr

            Some words.

            You read them.

            (Just now).

          • William Burr

            You keep using that word…I do not think it means what you think it means…

          • hams

            Yeah that’s the same as asking someone to consult on the legality of a document -_-

          • William Burr

            One of us is confused. (Spoiler alert: It’s you).

          • Erik Miles

            Really? Cause as a teenager, whenever I posted something to just “gush it out”, I don’t remember asking various friends and my own mother to read it first.

            Eron on the other hand clearly had a goal in mind when prepping up that post. The man even had a “Plan B to post it to 4Chan”

            You don’t post anything like that post on 4Chan unless you purposefully wanted to hurt someone.

          • Hinochi

            Except he didn’t post it on 4chan, someone else did.

          • William Burr

            Look, you personally not asking others to vet your angst is not sufficient reason for what you’re doing now, which is disbelieving a person who extensively described his abusive relationship.

            You thinking that posting something to 4chan is some kind of crime, or makes a person eligible for a media free-for-all of abuse is also not okay. Especially when the person in question literally didn’t even do the thing charged.

            You’ve got a bunch of mixed-up ideas.

          • Erik Miles

            Well then please, try posting something that personal yourself on 4Chan. See how well that works for ya. I’m sure nothing of consequence would ever happen. /s

            Also, considering he opened up Quinn to a considerable amount of abuse, forgive me for not feeling sympathy for the man when he gets his own taste of media attention.

          • William Burr

            I’ve been posting personal shit there for awhile now. I’m just not that interesting, mostly because I’m a normal person with no skeletons in the closet.

            He didn’t “open (quinn) up to abuse,” SHE did that by ABUSING HIM. All he did was post the logs that showed it!

            Take a breath. Seriously. Shake your head back and forth. Go BLPBLBPLBPBLPB while you do.

            Palate for a moment that someone who’s read *everything you have*, then *plus a lot more*, asks you to countenance an idea. He’s not telling you to believe, he’s just saying toss it around your head, and if you’re feeling industrious go research and find some stuff you may not have read:

            YOU HAVE THIS BACKWARDS. You have the story of an abusive relationship correct, but you have the good guy and the bad guy mixed up. On the one side there’s a socially aggressive, active, pro-social, neuro (largely) typical person. And on the other there’s the opposite.

            If you’re capable of setting aside the known persons and just apply this scenario to your head–How do you think this would end up?

            Then, after reflection: How have things ended up?

          • Kav P

            All her fault, you guys! You heard it first here from William Burrrr

          • William Burr

            First? No. Tens of thousands of people know this, which is a huge chunk of everyone who has any inkling of these events.

          • hams

            It makes zero difference whether or not the relationship was abusive because it’s none of your fucking business. If he didn’t like it he had the option to leave (dude they aren’t even living together) If she broke the law, call the cops, not the internet. Plenty of other people on planet earth are in abusive relationships and they don’t do this. And they certainly don’t have an online brigade of melvins to howl threats and abuse at their ex.

            You guys can’t seem to get it straight, your opinion on which of them is good or bad is laughably irrelevant. As soon as other people started getting involved, and DID break the law, it became very different issue.

          • William Burr

            Okay sargeant social business. In the future, if some battered wife or abused kid tells me their business, I’ll tell them “IT’S NONE OF MY FUCKING BUSINESS” because you told me to.

            That was all untrue, because *you’re fucking delusional*.

            Not only are you on the fucking moon by accident here, as I *fucking deal* with at-risk people regularly, and as such, have to deal with such issues as who to refer to various governmental agencies…

            That is just a fucking horrific viewpoint. “TURN THE OTHER WAY” –You. Holy christ.

          • hams

            Oh he’s a battered wife now? An abused kid? Come back to planet earth. I do not give one half of one shit what you do for a living, since this is your free time, remember? You and your buddies are trying to justify actual ongoing documented abuse because of alleged abuse that happened months ago. Even if he is telling the truth, two wrongs don’t make a right. Do I need to spell it out any simpler than that?

          • William Burr

            Yes, he is and was an abused partner. I do not care one half of a shit who you are. You are actively justifying an *actual* abuse, that is, one documented by actual logs and real things that happened, by excusing them with what the press has told you. You are vilifying an abused person and glorifying an abuser because she has better press connections. This is disgusting to me.

            Do I need to spell it out any simpler than that?

          • hams

            I don’t think you’re capable of spelling it out to any degree. Two wrongs don’t make a right. You and all the other melvins in here trying to justify abuse isn’t going to change that. (dude like 90% of you admit to the threats and abuse, you’re not fooling anybody with this denial shit.)

          • William Burr

            And I think you’re a shit. You’re negating a person’s abuse for no good reason whatsoever. There ain’t “two wrongs” here. There’s a person who was in an abusive relationship, and when he came out with it, there’s a person who leveraged her media contacts to abuse him further. You are a part of that. Thus you’re a shit person.

          • Erik Miles

            Yeah, and I’ve known plenty of people who’ve had shitty break-ups. But you wanna what they didn’t do? They didn’t spend a week constructing a “revenge post” to get back their other, and purposely stoke the flames of an online mob.

            What did do was break-up with them, separate from them, and move on.
            You know, like a “not-assholeish” person would do

            I have read his post. I have read every justification that a ‘gater has lazily posted my way to get me to “believe in this poor wounded puppy”.

            The man wanted petty revenge after a mess break-up. It blew up, rightfully, in his face.

            I feel. No. Sympathy. For him. Period.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            4chan is an anonymous board. Please show me proof Eron posted it to 4chan himself.

          • Erik Miles

            Well, I do happen to have to chatlogs on hand, which have many of the same users that Eron talked to:
            http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt

          • hams

            LOL You think every teenage girl consults someone to determine the legality of a document before posting it?? Ya’ll are unbelievable!

          • William Burr

            That’s not what was on the table. There was no legality or whatever goalpost you’re furiously shifting now. It was just some thing posted.

            Your position is that nobody ever runs anything by a friend before posting it to the internet. This is the goal you’re defending.

            (It’s stupid, yes. But it’s the goal you’ve chosen). Don’t disrespect the goal by changing it into another goal! That’s unfair to goals! And probably racist!

          • hams

            He explicitly states he had someone look at it to determine whether it violated a Terms of Service agreement, which is a contract entered into by those using whatever product it is attached to.

            Nobody is fooled by your ‘goalpost’ bullshit. My arguments are clear. If you think teenagers grab a graphic designer to check for TOS violations….lol

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          He did not embellish the logs. You only think that because of this shitty article.

          • Erik Miles

            The man literally admitted it himself on twitter.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Link it.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Here is a bit from his tumblr post about this article – “The first thing I do, is use his laptop, and log on to my facebook account. I tell him that I want to get it out of the way that “yes, in fact, all of the logs in thezoepost are true.” I tell him I have been appalled at the number of journalists who have written pieces implying any of what I said was in any way untrue, without so much as reaching out to me for comment. I show Zak the logs.”

            http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

          • Erik Miles

            Wait…so your unbiased source…is Eron Gjoni himself?
            ….and why should I trust this?

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Wait… isn’t your source… the same person… except you didn’t even bother to link it?

            “The man literally admitted it himself on twitter.”

    • Ruth

      Is it celebrated in male society to gaslight your significant other and cheat on them with many people? You clearly haven’t read the ZP. I suggest you do before you support an abuser.

      • Kav P

        Oh my God. You just said that. That whole thing. Oh my God.

        • David Robinson

          I’m glad someone else saw this. Do I weep for humanity or just laugh, maybe both?

          • appleblossom

            Have some Ghost Cat Beer instead.

          • Kav P

            I tend to laugh more nowadays. :)

        • Ruth

          Cause she actually did do those things. That is verifiably true lol.

      • appleblossom

        Um, yes. Yes it is.

        • Ruth

          Well I guess she’s wonderful then.

  • thegodemperor

    Why are there so many dumb people that take one side or another at face value? Do people not realize that, hey, maybe both are in the wrong in some way? And it’s not a matter of “who is more wrong” but how both have caused great damages to one another and to other people.

    This whole GG thing has become akin to politics and the left vs right split of bs…. such a childish view of the world.

    • appleblossom

      In law there is a difference in damages-she slapped him so he punched her so hard he broke her jaw. They both did wrong but he is going to jail and she is not.

  • PAZ

    Mr. Gjoni doesn’t seem too happy with that Boston Magazine article.
    https://twitter.com/eron_gj/status/593038094380728320

    • Michael Lindsay

      Ha Haaaa-good luck son!

    • Kav P

      I can’t wait.

    • Erik Miles

      Unless his lawyer’s last name is “Goodman”, I doubt anyone other then “Juice Lawyer” could be crazy enough to take the case

      • appleblossom

        I actually know a lawyer with a last name of Goodman. And no, he would not take this case.

      • PAZ

        And I have my doubts on Goodman too.

        • Erik Miles

          Maybe in his “Better Call Saul” days, but even then, he’d probably regret it.

      • Ruth

        Actually some of the top first amendment lawyers are interested in it.

        • Erik Miles

          “And by some, we mean…well, ‘Juice Lawyer’ probably…”

          • Ruth

            Is Eugene Volokh a “juice lawyer”?

    • hams

      What a surprise the sour grapes crybaby has found something new to cry about.

  • Ben Garrison

    as he should…. in front of an impartial judge, what has happened here is clear defamation… it will going along nicely with the upcoming suit against zoe quinn from the young capitalists

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah-but it’s not libel if it’s true!

      • Ben Garrison

        the statements in this article would lead a reasonable person to believe there has been proof disclosed that Gjonji instructed people to harass… none exists

        • Kav P

          You didn’t read the article, did you? Because what you are claiming is not actually a thing.

          • Ben Garrison

            ‘Kav P’.. I must ask why you are so invested in defending a sexual harasser… do you benefit from her patreon?

          • Kav P

            I am pretty invested in pointing out why none of this should ever have involved an Internet mob destroying someone’s life.

          • Hinochi

            You’re taking your online “job” too seriously then.

          • Kav P

            (Psst. You’re still here.)

          • Hinochi

            Only ’cause I’m bored. I actually went to play Terraria for a few hours.

          • Ben Garrison

            its clear you are not a neutral actor here… besides a misguided minority quinn’s misdeeds are well known.. the reason she will not be allowed to have further influence on indiecade

          • Kav P

            What a shame. Oh well, guess your work is done, then!

            She’ll fade into obscurity and the world will be happy again.

            Bye!

          • hams

            Might be hard to fathom but there’s a pretty big issue of proportion between a single ‘sexual harasser’ and the many people stalking and making violent threats.

          • appleblossom

            They also seem to think that judges are stupid. They may not always understand this here interwebz but they can spot a person egging someone else on without said person literally saying it.

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        You do realize that, if a statement is true, it’s not libel. The two are mutually exclusive.

  • aaa

    Reminder that Zoe is a sexual harasser being christened as an anti-abuse
    activist http://diarrheaworldstarhiphop.tumblr.com/post/95051100963/indie-developer-comes-forward-in-light-of-recent

    This is so deeply scummy the journalists covering it are either some of the most ignorant people alive or outright evil.

    • Kav P

      You just linked to “diarrheaworldstarhiphop”.

      Bye!

      • aaa

        So a jokey username = “everything this guy says is wrong” because you refuse to accept that the woman you’re defending to the death has been accused of sexual harassment and her friends shouted down her victim.

        I can’t tell if your attitude is funny or terrifying.

        • Kav P

          You are linking to someone’s blog.

          SO UNBIASED

          • aaa

            I’m waiting for you to actually explain how those Twitter happenings are even remotely morally justifiable.

          • Kav P

            I’m waiting for you to actually explain how those Twitter happenings are any of our business.

          • aaa

            Because I’m interested in indie games and it absolutely fucking terrifies me that this is the atmosphere of the community surrounding their creation.

            How would you react if the genders were switched? If a female indie dev accused a man of sexual harassment and got shouted down and forced to apologize?

          • appleblossom

            Fairly sure that has happened at least once. It was not too long ago that women were automatically assumed to be lying about more than just rape.

          • Kav P

            Exactly the same. Matter for the courts, not an Internet mob.

            It’s actually very simple.

          • aaa

            Pretty sure the bullshit behind the Steubenville High School rape case being brought to light was helped by public (yes, including Internet) outrage.

            And lol “internet mob” I’m not saying you should “punish” Zoe by spaming her or whatever

          • Kav P

            (Pssst, crimes were committed in that case and without knowing more about it I can’t be 100% in support of the methods there, either.)

          • Frieda

            Kav, I so enjoy you.

          • Kav P

            I love you tooo <3

          • hams

            What’s worse is that it’s nothing more than some (easily faked) screenshots of a handful of tweets, that themselves give no details whatsoever. Completely meritless. A direct link to the tweets would have at least been *something*. but no, this is their version of FACTS

  • http://www.fatguyfriendly.com Craig

    Let’s assume she is a terrible person, does that give him the right to post all the personal information on her he can find? No. Especially after it’s readily apparent that the level of harassment she receives far exceeds payback? Yet he continues to stoke the flames even though he claims to have moved on. And let’s remove them from the equation and focus on the harassment suffered by everyone who has come out against the threats. How can anyone pretend it’s about the integrity of game journalism when one side dox and threatens anyone they disagree with?

    • Kav P

      Oh poor sweet Craig, brace yourself for the four GamerGoats who still bother to fart on comments threads.

      • appleblossom

        we need a drinking game. And some decent beer.

        • Kav P

          Oh my God yes.

          • appleblossom

            I looked up Cat once when discussing beer. There is a company that is called Ghost Cat Brewery. Wonder if they are any good.

          • Kav P

            It makes sense because gamers are dead.

      • http://www.fatguyfriendly.com Craig

        I’m not scared, I’m not important enough to be a target.

        • Kav P

          Or woman enough, if my assumptions are correct.

        • appleblossom

          You mean “I posted under a male name.”

          • http://www.fatguyfriendly.com Craig

            You’re right, I’m less of a target because I’m a man. Which is kind of indicative of the problem.

          • appleblossom

            Just a bit.

    • appleblossom

      Well you know, De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

    • Ben Garrison

      No proof exists of these claims Craig… posting a blog about an abusive lover is not a crime

      • Erik Miles

        No, but stoking the fires of a 4Chan created hate mob long after posting said blog tends to be pretty bad.

        • Ben Garrison

          what proof do you have erik.. none… because these events never happened….

          • Erik Miles

            You can look up the chatlogs yourself (of which, Erong himself even pops in to answer various invasive questions about his sex life with Quinn)

          • Ben Garrison

            if you have evidence of eron inciting others to commit a crime, please produce it… otherwise you are attempting to misrepresent a lovers quarrel

          • Erik Miles

            Here ya go: http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt
            Though I warn you, it is rather big and rather nasty

          • Ben Garrison

            no proof… hearsay is not admissible in court erik… damage settlements do not come from the court of public opinion

          • appleblossom

            *facepalm* There are, depending the jurisdiction, up to 27 exceptions to just Rule 803 alone.

          • hams

            hahahaha so gonads chat logs are automatically real and eriks are automatically fake?

        • Ruth

          He actually tried to get them to stop the harassment many, many times.

          • hams

            PROVE IT.

            Apparently a judge clearly felt that there was sufficient evidence to the contrary.

          • Ruth

            Look at his IRB ama. Not to mention the big disclaimer at the top of the ZP. And that’s irrelevant to the court case. Also, if we’re gonna use appeals to authority then I’d like to point out that he’s got Eugene Volokh on his side saying this gag order should be lifted.

          • hams

            Oh a lawyer said something, I guess that’s the end of it. No way he’s getting paid to take the case, nope.

            Btw that’s not an appeal to authority. The justice system isn’t based on authority, it’s based on a codified set of rules (WHICH YOU CAN GO READ IF YOU WANT) which are enforced by the justice system. If you don’t believe in law, welp good luck with the whole anarchy thing.

          • Ruth

            Lol do you know who Eugene Volohk is? Do some research. And lol you clearly don’t know what appeal to authority is. Appeal to authority is when you assume something is correct because someone believed to be an authority on the subject is in favor of it. The fallacy is that experts never make mistakes and are always totally honest and accurate. You’re honestly being ridiculous. Just because I think one restraining order is bullshit (as do the three first amendment lawyers working with Eron for free), that means I don’t believe in the justice system? Lol ok.

          • hams

            I could care less who a lawyer is, really. I don’t consider them a reliable source on any case they are working on since it’s kinda their job to win, not tell the truth.

            I’m not saying all judges are right, but I’m saying a guy who has been working in the justice system for more than 20 years has more experience viewing evidence than all of GG put together. If a doctor tells you that you have cancer, you don’t go post to 4chan to get a second opinion. If another judge throws it out, well then you might at least have something.

      • Kav P

        Like clockwork. :’)

    • Ruth

      It’s not about the personal info. It’s about getting rid of the cult of personality she has and warning people about her clearly abusive and manipulative behavior. No other way to do that than the way he did. Person of power cannot be trusted=someone needs to out them. That’s why Watergate happened.

      • Kav P

        Are you equating a major event in US presidential history with one woman’s sex life?

        Oh my stars.

        • appleblossom

          They do both have gate in the title. And it is *whispers* not a coincidence…

          • Kav P

            OH SHI-

        • Ruth

          One woman’s cheating, manipulating, compulsive lying, and gaslighting absolutely. If she wants to be an advocate for those who are abused or mentally ill, she should not herself be an abuser.

  • PAZ

    Don’t miss this new petition!
    “Correct Zachary Jason’s #GamerGate article “Game of Fear”
    https://www.change.org/p/boston-magazine-correct-zachary-jason-s-gamergate-article-game-of-fear

    “We recommend Milo Yiannopoulos, an established journalist who can correct these misguided assertations, as the point of contact. ”
    BWAWAWAWA!

    • Kav P

      OH my fucking God.

      “We recommend Milo Yiannopoulos, an established journalist who can correct these misguided assertations, as the point of contact.”

    • Frieda

      Fuckin LOL

      Fuckin LOL for fuckin EVER

    • Ruth

      Ok this article is obviously made overly dramatic and is full of misinformation and is totally out of context but Milo is a conservative asshole and shouldn’t be the one to do this. Eron is writing his own piece, the first part of which is on his tumblr.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Milo’s an established what now?

      • PAZ

        In GamerGateLand is a valued and objective journalist!

        • Ruth

          Ok I have sympathy for GG but you’re kidding yourself if you see him as an objective journalist. Just because he did one good article on Wu doesn’t make him a good journalist.

          • appleblossom

            They are being sarcastic dear.

          • PAZ

            Poe’s Law in action!

          • Ruth

            Oh good.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Like RougeStar is a valued and objective game developer huh?

  • Kinu

    Can we just all consider the fact that NOTHING warrants death threads or the encouraging of them. I don’t fucking care of she slept with 50 guys while she was dating him (I honestly kinda hope she actually did) nothing makes this ok. What the actual fuck is wrong with the world??

    • Michael Lindsay

      This.

    • PAZ

      Double this.

    • Frieda

      yuuuuuuuuuuup

    • The Leader of Gamergate

      Anyone that threatens anyone over the internet over videogames is a waste of space, similar compulsive liars and professional victims.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Facepalm forever.

        • appleblossom

          Ah, yes, the rare triple facepalm.

        • hams

          Oddly out of all the GGers in this thread, this is the closest I’ve seen any of them come to condemning the stalking and violent threats.

    • Craig

      A lot is what the actual fuck wrong with the world.

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      “I don’t fucking care of she slept with 50 guys while she was dating him (I honestly kinda hope she actually did)”

      “What the actual fuck is wrong with the world??”

      You are.

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        There’s nothing wrong with sleeping around. As long as you can redirect your failings on some sort of scapegoat, you’re in the clear. As long as that scapegoat isn’t women. Or minorities… Or anything that isn’t a white, cisgendered male.

        • Kav P

          Someone else’s sex life is TOTALLY the business of an Internet mob.

          BURN THE WITCH

          • Frieda

            I’m a fan of the scarlet letter approach personally. Perhaps the stocks, or a ducking stool?

          • Ben Garrison

            if you are in the public eye… everything is fair game

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m pretty sure I’ve made it abundantly clear that Ms Quinn is only the gooey mess that sticks the Five Guys together.

          • Kav P

            Yes, you have.

            And it discredits you entirely.

            Go read Cosmo if you want to discuss the lurid details of someone else’s life.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I don’t understand how you can draw that conclusion. I’d tell you to get your glasses checked, but we both know they don’t have lenses anyway.

          • hams

            “we both know they don’t have lenses anyway.”

            Oh good yes, let’s dig into this one. Do you have a problem with people who like the look of frames but don’t need lenses? Why is that exactly?

          • Nuge

            You mean like people accused of rape?

          • Kav P

            Like Zoe Quinn? She was accused of rape in that post.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            “It’s only wrong if I disagree with it”

          • Nuge

            Hypocrisy is the key to flexibility.

          • Nuge

            No I mean actual rape.

          • Michael Lindsay

            See Nuge, you’ve been calling Quinn a rapist for so long now in this thread because she slept with people that none of us are sure what you mean when you say “actual rape”!

          • Nuge

            She called herself a rapist. I realize due to your limited thought processes it’s difficult for you to wrap your head around it.

          • Michael Lindsay

            So she supposedly used this definition that you disagree with so you used on her. Methinks your highly evolved and complex thought processes are entirely deranged!

          • Nuge

            So she still shouldn’t own up to her own definition? Well at least you got your priorities straight. Sorry but I think you’re confusing me with Godfrey Elfwick.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What has any of this got to do with you running around screaming she’s a rapist?
            I couldn’t care less if she did come up with it, knowing how bendy you lot are with the truth that’s highly doubtful-regardless, you using it is moronic!

          • Nuge

            What does any of this have to do with me? It’s not like I have a monopoly on screaming rapist. You’re confusing me with your side. I’m talking about hypocrisy you pretentious brain dead hipster.

    • Ruth

      Sure, but you also shouldn’t support an abuser.

      • hams

        Neither should you

        • Ruth

          I don’t. Eron’s done nothing abusive. Posting information about your relationship online is not abuse. He actually tried to stop the harassment many times. This is an obvious hit piece by a magazine Bostonians don’t even take seriously. I urge you to see through this bullshit and look at the actual evidence is the ZP, Eron’s blog, and even better the Understanding the ZoePost youtube series which explains how Zoe was abusive based on the chatlogs.

          • hams

            the ZP is the single piece of evidence. it’s not unbiased. it’s not peer-reviewed. it hasn’t been tested in a court of law. please stop pretending like there is any serious evidence of what you’re claiming. A youtube video! WOW!

            He didn’t post it to his blog, or his face book. He went to two of the biggest gaming communities on the whole internet. With the explicit intent of defaming her. He actually admits to that being his sole motivation http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt check it out.

          • Ruth

            Actually the ZP has tons of verifiable info. Have you actually read it? There’s a painstakingly long amount of chatlogs to read where Zoe actually admits to everything he’s accusing her of. And he posted to Something Awful and Penny Arcade and his blog. Which one is even Eron on that link you gave? He admits to wanting to warn people about a clearly toxic person to the community that she has a cult of personality in, yes. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

          • Ruth

            Actually the ZP has tons of verifiable evidence. There’s a painstakingly long amount of chatlogs where Zoe actually admits to everything he accuses her of. You should watch the Youtube video. It shows how abusive Zoe was through the chatlogs her posted. He went to Penny Arcade and Something Awful. He specifically DIDN’T go to reddit or 4chan. He wanted to warn people about an obviously toxic person who has no qualms about hurting people. I see nothing wrong with this. Also, who’s Eron in the convo and what am I looking for?

          • hams

            Ok I guess you are not good with computer. ctrl+f type in Eron, scroll down til a dude shows up giving proof. (this is about the same level of proof that eron has given for anything else so if you don’t believe it, the ZP is shit too)

            Warn…I think you mean defame. Saying he didn’t go to 2 big sites and instead went to to OTHER big sites as an excuse is dumb as shit. It’s insane that you think it’s normal to do this. Do you also think it’s cool for dudes to put private pictures of their ex all over the internet? (I’m talking about the thousands of other people who have done this). Do you not distinguish between ‘warning’ and ‘retaliation’?

  • Ben Garrison

    milo will be writing an article in breitbart about this libelous article tomorrow… if you are interested in the truth and not what sexual harassers and their defenders have to say I suggest you watch for it

    • Kav P

      That says everything, actually. Thank you for sharing. :’)

      • PAZ

        I’m so happy.

  • http://wetcasements.wordpress.com wetcasements

    GamerGate was born out of the harassment of women and that’s all it ever will be.

    • Ben Garrison

      categorically false… if anything it shows how women sometimes precipitate harassment onto themselves

      • Frieda

        Yeah, frankly, I just can’t get going in the morning until I’ve gotten a few hundred strangers to threaten to rape me. Better than coffee, and it’s free!

        That may seem strange to you, but ladies’ ways are mysterious. It has something to do with the uterus + the balance of the humours.

      • kibibu

        They shouldn’t have worn that dress?

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          False equivalency, nice.

          • Kav P

            Point out how it is false equivalence.

      • Kav P

        aka “they were asking for it”

        Oh my God, Ben. You’re out of your element.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          False equivalency.

          • hams

            Applying synonyms is false equivalency? If I say “you precipitated this harassment onto yourself” I’m functionally saying “you made this happen”

            Sit down logic bro

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            When you have a hand in defamatory articles such as this, you are precipitating harassment onto yourself.

            When you wear clothes, you are not.

            Edit: Scratch that, I forgot everything is black and white in your world.

          • hams

            Very deep, I’ll be sure to put that on my refrigerator magnets.

            You blamed her for the abuse, you haven’t denied it and you can’t seem to figure out synonyms.

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      It was born out of the criticism of certain women in the gaming industry. A very important distinction.

      • Kav P

        lol “criticism”

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Yes, I know, women cannot be criticized. They are infallible beings.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Women are pretty great actually.

      • Erik Miles

        “See? We just really hate one woman…unless you also count Anita….and Wu….and Randi Harper…and….”

        • The Leader of Gamergate

          I know it’s hard to distinguish letters through that fedora, but women is, in fact, the plural of woman.

          • Erik Miles

            I know. Maybe I should stop borrowing the fedoras from your closet.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Leave my closet out of this.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Gawd these Gators are freaking obsessed with gossip and fashion. Completely.
            Good to know it’s got nothing to do with “ethics in videogame journalism”.

          • Nuge

            “Gawd these Gators are freaking obsessed with gossip and fashion. ”

            Shouldn’t you be having a miscarriage over a fictional character wearing skimpy clothing about now?

        • Ben Garrison

          anita sarkeesian is a well known mlm con artist, randi harper a meth addict, john flynt has been banned from a university campus for stalking…. credibility is not on the side of those making extraordinary accusations

          • Kav P

            lmao

          • Erik Miles

            Wow, and an attempt at Dead Naming too, huh?
            Aren’t you just a delightful piece of transphobic trash.

          • Ben Garrison

            erik, come on now.. people are free to do as they wish but putting on a dress and painting your nails doesnt make you a woman, any more than putting a pair of wings on makes you a bird

          • Erik Miles

            Yeah…gonna stop ya right there, as I really don’t wanna have to explain how absolutely transphobic what you said just was.

          • Ben Garrison

            someone who has xy chromosomes is a male… end of story

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Ben, gender identity is a thing. What you said is transphobic and you should really reconsider these opinions of yours. You drag everyone on this side down with you because of your ignorance. We are not simply XY or XX.

          • Ben Garrison

            DNA does not lie… what comes back from the lab is what you are

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            That’s simply not true. Look into gender identity before you run your mouth.

          • Michael Lindsay

            But if GamerGate comes up with a perfect woman called Vivian James who shuts up like a good girl unless it’s to root for them is she a real woman?

        • Nuge

          Because those three are really known for their honesty right?

          • Erik Miles

            Yes, and the lovely people who revealed these acts of “dishonesty” are such “trustworthy” sources like “The Amazing Athiest”, or “Jorden Owen42”, or “Random ‘Gater from 8Chan”.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            A broken clock is right twice a day.

          • Frieda

            THAT’S YOUR DEFENSE??? “He might be right accidentally”?

            FACKIN LOL FOR FACKIN EVER.

          • Erik Miles

            I’ll remember that the next time I pick a doctor
            “Hey, he may have been wrong all those other times, but hey…he was kinda right about that cough…”

          • Nuge

            I don’t like AA, JO, or 8chan. Nice try though.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Criticism is Hate in anti-GG’s hive mind.

          • Erik Miles

            “Yes, because threatening to rape someone is just a ‘friendly disagreement’.”

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            All GG’s threatened to rape the 4 women mentioned in these comments. FACT.

          • Erik Miles

            “Yeah, it wasn’t ALL of us…just enough us to actually do some harm. But hey, it wasn’t ALL of us!”

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            It wasn’t even a notable percentage of us. Those are just the comments you’d like to focus on because they support your agenda.

          • Frieda

            It is utterly RIDICULOUS to assume that when a woman who is famous for pretty much no reason apart from attention from/opposition to Gamergate is attacked for their opinions on gamergate using hatespeech that references Gamergate by people who put “gamergate” in their profiles using tactics openly discussed in gamergate affiliated sites, that Gamergate should be held accountable in any way. The best way for the Gamergate community to demonstrate their innocence is to dismiss and ignore and discredit these victims in any way they can.

            Nothing to see here. OR ELSE.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            That is simply not true. Most gamergate communities and affiliated sites actively denounce these hateful users. You can’t accept that though because it doesn’t support your agenda.

          • hams

            Enough DID that it has become a well documented trend FACT

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            That’s not true, a very small percentage did and they were not supported by the movement.

          • hams

            It tickles me that you think that’s believable. A lot of your gg pals in here won’t admit to gg being a movement at all!

            Most people in here do nothing but deny or make excuses for the threats, what does that say to you?

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Echo chamber.

          • hams

            Good one, no way that could ever apply to you and yours. Nope, no way at all. You’re all just a bunch of right-thinking alphas out to destroy the evil women and the beta white knights who defend them.

            You’re getting a little lazy buddy, did I wear you out? I’m sorry!

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Nah, you just dance around this idea that GG is a misogynistic hate group so why bother actually responding to you. At least your friends here can entertain the idea that it might actually be a real movement against unethical journalism and censorship by you nut jobs who think you can control anything and everything you deem sexist.

            You’re on the losing side and your heroine ZQ faded into obscurity a long time ago. I don’t even need to be here, I already know all the tired rhetoric you’re going to spew.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            I didn’t know I had friends in here.

            Hey guys! Out fighting the good fight too? Make sure you send rape threats to every commenter who disagrees with us! You know that’s GG’s #1 priority. To send empty threats via the internet.

          • hams

            Oh my b. Empty threats are ok, no problem. Not against the law- oh wait yes it is.

            Pick through the comments section of any article mentioning ZQ, Wu, or Sarkeesian. You’ll find plenty of troglodytes slinging hate at them. Pretend it’s not happening, that’s on you.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            No GG’s support the threats, and you know that. It only helps their cause. Quit spouting on about that bullshit.

          • hams

            In this very thread about a dozen of you have attempted to justify the threats. ‘She hurt his feelings so she deserved what she got’ That’s support.

            GGers are helping monetarily support them! Hell just a little while ago 3 particularly dumb ggers convinced me to donate to her patreon! You dummies directly caused money to go into her pocket! The vile behaviors of GG misogynists have magnified their fame hugely!

            “just as many threats” lol I know you believe this but it’s still really stupid.

            Empty threats should be ignored? So we have to wait for a GGer to act on a threat (by committing extreme violence against a woman) before we can act on them? Just let it go because it’s not personally hurting you? I’ve seen extremely few GG categorically denouncing the violent threats in this thread. Most are, at best, conflicted.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            You just like to go in circles, eh?

          • hams

            I have no choice ya’ll are just so damn slow on the uptake.
            So no response otherwise?
            It’s nice when ya’ll eventually realize you have no chance and take a hike.

          • nate

            what criticism?

    • Ruth

      It would be so easy and convenient if it were that simple wouldn’t it?

      • Mr Corrections

        Luckily, it is!

  • Ruth

    Before any of you defend Zoe, you should really take a look at the Understanding the Zoe Post youtube series. It shows how abusive she is. Also, here’s the first part of Eron’s rebuttal.

    • Erik Miles

      And maybe you should take a look at these chatlogs before defending Eron:
      http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        I’m seeing a lot of dank memes being tossed around, but if you’d like to direct me to the smoking gun of a line where GamerGate reveals itself as a machine for the destruction of women, I’d be happy to see it.

      • Ruth

        Which one is Eron and what am I looking for?

    • Kav P

      “Before any of you defend Zoe, you should really take a look at this creepy YouTube series which is all about analysing one woman’s sex life as illustrated by a creepy former partner in lurid detail”.

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        God, it’s almost like you’re jealous that you didn’t get any of that action, based on your obsession with one woman’s storied sexual history.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Someones sexual history and someones abusive history which involves sex are not the same thing.

          • hams

            Huh, ya’ll have no hesitation when talking about her sex life but just gloss over what exactly makes her an abuser. Don’t think for a second I’m going to waste my time reading that dipshits cry-essay. I don’t care how many fake screenshots it has. It’s not proof of anything. So go ahead and argue on your own terms, how is she an abuser and how does that justify rape and death threats?

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            “Don’t think for a second I’m going to waste my time reading that dipshits cry-essay. ”

            How is that echo-chamber treating you?

          • hams

            You’ve got quips, but nothing else. The quips suck so….you really have nothing period.

            If ZQ released a similar essay detailing her side of the story painting him as the abuser with attendant screen shots and whatever the fuck else, would you treat it with the same weight?

        • Michael Lindsay

          “No U”.

          Gamergate’s holdout when stuck in a corner.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Nice strawman.

      • Ben Garrison

        i would say… that someone who knowingly mutliates themselves is the ‘creepier’ part of that relationship… she exhibits many troubling behavioral signs

      • Ruth

        Are you kidding me? It clearly shows abusive behavior. Are you defending an abuser?

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yes, looking at a YouTube series on Gonj’s rantings about how his meanie girlie slept with the football team is totally gonna convince me.

      Does this do double billing with “loose change”?

      • Nuge

        You know something tells me that if the sexes were switched in a case like this you’d be singing a different tune.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Ah so that’s why you’re really into all this BS. You think it’s all some giant conspiracy to take away rights from the mens.

          So-sweet FA to do with videogames or journalism then?

          • Nuge

            Who said anything about a conspiracy? Mikey boy, I think you should stop using words you don’t understand. It’s the standard political hypocrisy that all blind idiots live off of.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I think you should stop using words you don’t understand.

            In reference to Quinn not so long ago.

            … said the person defending a rapist.

            Gonna need a new irony meter, this one just melted.

          • appleblossom

            Keeps the economy going.

          • Nuge

            “Gonna need a new irony meter, this one just melted.”

            Because you’re a perfect example of someone who can get over something right? Sarcasm: another concept you fail to understand.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I was totes making a joek. Uh huh.

            Joking: clearly a concept you either don’t understand or simply suck at.

          • Nuge

            Well it’s been fun playing with you but I need to take my leave.

          • hams

            Actually it’s called retreating. Remember definitions matter! Flee coward!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I don’t think anyone thinks this is some sort of vast anti-male conspiracy. The mere idea of such is laughable, similar to how you think that GamerGate is some sort of vast anti-woman conspiracy to give us women’s rights equivalent to sharia law.

          • Ruth

            No it’s just that people seem unable to admit that Zoe is an abuser and that Eron was a victim even though the evidence is clear. Someone is currently switching the gender on the chatlogs for the ZP for that effect.

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        You guys really like victim shaming, as long as the victim is ‘privileged’ enough to warrant it.

        • Michael Lindsay

          They guys not a victim. He had a relationship that went south. Rather than having a few beers with some buds before logging on to OK Cupid or chatting to a nice lass in a bar and building a bloody bridge he started an insane online crusade to destroy his ex. That makes him a perpetrator-not a victim.

          • Ben Garrison

            proof of this ‘insane online crusade’… more heresay

          • Michael Lindsay

            You lot. There’s proof.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Links are your friend, Michael.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            This idea that some jilted lover would start an entire online crusade to burn down what little career his former partner had holds less water than a sieve. You aren’t doing your standpoint any favors by defending it. I suggest you stop.

          • appleblossom

            I have known men who literally are keeping such close tabs on their exes that three years later he can describe, in detail, where she went for lunch on a random day, who she had lunch with, and how long it took.

            Still others, multiple convictions for violating court orders later, years after the original six month relationship, start messaging her the second the restraining order expires.

            Plenty of men do some pretty nasty things to exes even if those relationships are short.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            A person is defined by the company they keep.

          • appleblossom

            Riiiight.

          • Michael Lindsay

            So he was posting it to multiple locations and editing it for dramatic effect because…why?

          • appleblossom

            Ethics in Gaming Journalism. Just ask Hitler.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You guys really like Hitler. Maybe it’s your shared opinions on freedom of expression.

          • appleblossom

            You really are clueless:

            Although others have been made.

          • nate

            we have his 4chan posts to link to

          • hams

            Your inability to believe the idea doesn’t discredit it in the slightest.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            That’s a fair point, but the sheer ridiculousness of the idea blows my mind, and the fact that you would take it at face value makes me double-tap myself.

          • hams

            Ya’ll seem perfectly willing to believe that ZQ is an evil, lying, manipulative etc.. with minimal evidence. Why is it so hard to believe it about Ebo Gropy when the dude outright admits all that to a journalist?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            This was just posted, but in case you missed it, an article regarding Zoe’s lies, manipulations and various evil deeds, with citations! http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Zoe_Quinn

          • hams

            Wow a bunch of blogposts, GG owned websites, and tweets that don’t prove anything ‘evil’. Staggeringly rigorous.

            Evil deeds…get a grip babyman.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            A number of those blogposts were first-person accounts of Ms Quinn, but feel free to disregard them, as they probably don’t fit your narrative, and any form of cognitive dissonance would likely send you into a coma.

          • hams

            “narrative”

            Now you’re catching on! Hey let me know when you have tangible evidence. Not some shit website that any sperglord on planet earth could hack together in a couple hours. For example, quotes to the media! Voice recording! Video recording of the actual speech!

            You..do have something like that right? It’s not just a handful of badly wrapped turds pretending to be eggs? Oh, just blogs, alright. Oh before I forget, did you know people on blogs can just lie and say whatever they want? Just thought you should know that since you think they’re evidence. Blogs.

      • Ruth

        It’s a series about abuse by a trans abuse awareness activist. So yeah. Seeing clear cut abuse should change your mind.

        • Craig

          So how many men who are abuser do you support sending death threats to? I don’t see you mentioning Jason Kidd or Floyd Mayweather or Charlie Sheen.

          The truth is the reason changes because there isn’t one.

          • Ruth

            I don’t support sending death threats. I think all that shit is terrible. What I think is more terrible is that the liberal media and feminists who know nothing about the situation repeatedly blindly supporting Zoe despite her clearly abusive behavior. I previously made this mistake as I am a feminist and finally someone was like “you don’t know shit about it” and I looked into it and found that this issue isn’t nearly as simple as it seems. Literally no one is in support of the harassment, but everyone knows about it and sees her as this victim. Meanwhile Eron, who spoke out about his abuse, gets panned constantly in the media and isn’t even allowed to exercise his first amendment rights.

      • William Burr

        Hey look it’s Michael Lindsay! How’s it going Michael Lindsay! Still pretty bad, I’d say, since you thought this would blow over back in October 2014. Looks like you’re addicted to being wrong.

        So how’s that dismissing the source and ignoring all their claims thing going? Still good? You’re still doing it, so I guess good.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Hell, I try not to be pessimistic about humanity but yeah-gamergate does unfortunately still exist. I’ll concede that.

          • William Burr

            I feel largely the same way about anti-Gamergate. I mean, all of GG issues were conceded by the gaming press, the only holdouts being clickbait garbage like Gawker.

            Yet there’s still this holdout fringe who insists that the issues were never the issues; as near as I can tell as an excuse to be shitty to people who claim to care about ethical issues.

            So we agree, there is reason to view people in a negative fashion.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Very broad technical points are the only points I’ll ever find agreement with you and your little cargo cult. “Water is wet” for example. But congrats to Gamergate for raising getting Intel to author its diversity policy, for getting online harassment seriously discussed in the US Congress and getting Sarkeesian onto Colbert. Well done. Keep writing those emails I guess.

          • William Burr

            It ain’t my cult, bro. I’m just not an idiot, and am capable of seeing things past my prejudices. When it comes to sticking up for abuse survivors, and making frowny-faces at abusers, it’s a handy skill.

            You lack it.

          • Craig

            If this were actually about standing behind an abuse survivor wouldn’t you pick someone who didn’t stalk their former “abuser”? Victims of abuse run and hide, they don’t go out of their way to be confrontational.

          • William Burr

            I have. I’ve picked the dude under a gag order, not the one on a national circuit cozying up to every journalist willing to write a hit-piece. That’s you.

          • Craig

            A gag order he repeatedly violates. I’ve known many victims, not one of them was the target of the restraining order.

          • William Burr

            *Because he was fucking asked to, by the interviewer*. Jesus, you people. You just won’t give a guy a break, will you?

            The dude goes media blackout, by both personal preference, and by court order. Some obviously asshole “journalist” gets him to open up, under false pretenses, and then you use *that* against him.

            Fucking shameless.

            Look, you’re using a restraining order as proof of guilt. It’s not, it’s just who went to the police first. Stop being an asshole about it.

          • Craig

            Did the journalist force him to keep tweeting?

          • William Burr

            Oh here we go, more shifted goal-posts. Does it hurt, crossing your eyes so hard to focus on stuff like that, while ignoring the bigger picture like “she threatened to kill herself if he didn’t take her back” kind of stuff?

          • Craig

            You said he violated the gag order only because of the journalist, then changed the subject and blame me for moving the goal posts. My point is that he had posted repeatedly in violation of the gag order with no prompting by a journalist.

          • William Burr

            (citations needed)

          • Michael Lindsay

            Aint your bro. As for lacking empathy, whenever another target of Gamergate gets doxxed or swatted what do you hear from Gamergate?
            Can’t prove it was us.
            Much empathy.

          • William Burr

            Because it wasn’t, as “gamergate” isn’t a faction, it’s a scandal, so asking people to own the actions of other people is dumb as shit.

            Good lord, it’s amazing to watch you fail to learn things, over time. It’s like an argument against evolution, yeech.

          • Michael Lindsay

            The only scandal is the mob of online morons hassling women, and critics of said mob. The mob are also the only ones failing to learn out of all of this, through wilful ignorance they’ll keep shouting the same old tired crap about all this horse dung being about ethics in something or other as they sink further and further into irrelevancy. No GamerGate didn’t go away, neither did the 9-11 Truther movement and GamerGate is as relevant and respected as they are!

          • William Burr

            Keep thinking that, if you’d like. It doesn’t really matter, as most of the goals of the “mob” have been met–that is, nearly every gaming publication has revamped ethics policies, and those responsible for the “dead gamers” articles are scrambling for jobs.

            So if you ignore that, sure, I guess it’s been irrelevant. I agree with you that the name is irrelevant, “hashtag gg” could disappear overnight, and it wouldn’t matter a whit. The increased scrutiny is there, and the fire has been lit.

            Culture must be tough for folks like you, at present.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well that wasn’t all down to GG-who after all are anonymous and faceless and only ever take the credit when something good happens in their name-even if it wasn’t really them that did it.
            Really the most postive things to come out of gamergate are your “own goals” in soccer parlance. Because of Gamergate, issues like prejudice and harassment in videogames media are being taken seriously and all because a bunch of dorks increased the profile of activists like Sarkeesian and made lawmakers take harassment seriously. Well done, I guess.

          • William Burr

            Ha ha ha, okay. “Take seriously.” Okay. As soon as any action happens there, you be sure to let me know.

            Meanwhile, we’ll balance that against posted policies–actual statements of action–that are subject to community policing.

            If this is their goal on the one side, and yours on the other, literally everyone involved is peachy keen with all of that, because nobody was ever fine with harassment to begin with, outside your fevered imaginings.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You mean all the people who can’t be identified/don’t exist whenever something bad happens in gamergates name are solely and exclusively responsible for all the good things that you say are done in their name?
            Interesting.

          • William Burr

            Dude, YOU are included in this. YOU are a harasser/abuser. When people talk about the cloud of abuse and harassment, they’re talking about all engagement. This includes me, and what’s fucking amazing, since you’ve had like 8 months to suss this out but still somehow haven’t, is that THIS INCLUDES YOU, YOU MONG. The press at large doesn’t distinguish pro-GamerGate versus anti-GamerGate. There’s just the great big stink cloud. You and I are part.

            The difference is, Michael Lindsay, at least to me, is that over the last 8 months you’ve failed to learn a goddamn thing. That, to me, is amazing.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s widely-known amongst anyone who is remotely internet-savvy that the bulk of the abuse comes from anti-gaters.

            “all experts agree” *eyeroll*

            And no, calling out your pet internet mob for what it does isn’t abuse, it’s criticism. Deal with it!

          • William Burr

            It’s amazing how long you continue to post on this subject and insist on not educating yourself on the thing. You are the internet mob, dude. You are the guy in Ron Johnson’s book “So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed.” The funny thing is, culturally, you’re going to (if you haven’t already) finding your environment getting chillier and chillier, and you’re not so safely ensconced in the glowing heat of fellow hate as you have been.

            Oh well. It’s not like you’re intelligent enough to know exactly what’s going on. You’ll probably just seek out the nearest warm stream of piss to huddle yourself in.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Good lord I’d actually be really drunk if I made a drinking game every time a Gamergater attacked a critic by claiming to really be the oppressed ones. The man calling me a mongoloid who swims in wee on one hand is telling me to be ashamed for being abusive on the other without a smidge of irony.
            Keep going, please don’t stop.
            It’s fun watching someone with so little self awareness shoot themselves in the foot. Again, don’t stop.

          • William Burr

            So what you’re saying is, people often try to tell you that you’re being the jerk there?

            Hunh. That’s interesting. It’s interesting in that it’s a thing that happens to you, apparently routinely, and you’ve never even a little stopped to wonder if maybe “Hey, all these people might be right, maybe I *am* the jerk here!”

            If you need a normal-person perspective for comparison, this never happens to me. I do not require a drinking game to tell me when I’ve been a jerk. Being a good person, I typically know pretty quick when I’ve transgressed, and make amends. I don’t allow it to snowball into a thing where people feel the need to call me out. Your mileage may vary.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What I’m saying is you are in absolutely no position to be calling other people jerks. The last three posts you’ve regurgitated have been content-free pure shitposting. You’ve basically been calling me a poopyhead as a substitute for an argument. It’s juvenile behavior, at best.

          • William Burr

            And what I’ve been saying is, you are absolutely in no position to make that claim. I made a substantive post, which you ignored, and decided engaging in insult-slinging was more fun, so you did. Anyone can see that working their way up the frames. You decided to ignore the content and start slinging slurs. Since the content was gone, I decided to go with it. And still did better. So now you’re whining about it.

            You really are shitty, Michael Lindsay. You fail on every front. You jump into these GG things so enthusiastically, and get schooled on all fronts. You ignore everything substantive said, and either get huffy and disappear, or get insulting, get insulted back, and disappear.

            This doesn’t say anything, really, about the side you’re on (the wrong one, the one that condones and enables abuse). But it kind of does indicate that you’re just bad at things. Like everythings. And perhaps whatever viewpoint you espouse might be better served by you keeping your gob shut about it.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’m not here to give you my time. I disagree with what GG represents and yeah-I’ll insult that cause and challenge their narrative in public-but this is so far down the thread that it’s out of the public eye. Which you are quite aware of otherwise you wouldn’t be so colourful with your insults.
            As for you and the other Gamergaters I really couldn’t give a toss. Some of you seem to enjoy hassling Zoe, other feminist women and their male allies and I owe them precisely Jack. Some of you bought the “ethics” line and, well, P.T. Barnum had a term for those. But no-I don’t owe you or yours the benefit of taking your self-serving attempts to re-dress yourselves as victims instead of victimisers seriously. I couldn’t if I tried. It’s laughable.

          • William Burr

            Obviously you are, because there isn’t any other discernable reason for you to keep truckin’ as you have been. You get the worst of all these encounters, yet are too thick to know that.

            You disagree with GG because whatever. I don’t care. Maybe *River Raid* dated your mother and you had a hard time calling it Step-Dad. “Zoe” aka “Chelsea” is an abuser and a generally shit human being. I’ve never interacted with her, but don’t begrudge those who’ve attempted to ask her why she’s been so cavalier about smearing her abused ex, while taking lavish vacations. That’s garbage stuff. Only a total fucking idiot would’ve bought into the “hounded from her home” line. You have to be an especially wiener kind of dude to fall for that version of events.

            It’s interesting that you reference P.T. Barnum, because he *certainly* would’ve had quite the opinion on *you*. In fact you’re how he made the bulk of his money. You’ll believe apparently anything. Someone could be touring the beaches of France and you’d still donate to their Patreon, because you’re a bonafide Grade-A chump.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I disagree with GG because they’re a hate campaign that screw with people who don’t deserve it.
            Your petulant mudslinging just underscores it but keep wailing.
            Everybody needs a hobby.

          • William Burr

            You disagree with GG because you’re not very bright and because you’ve been told they’re the acceptable target of the week. You have no agency or thought, or will. Or, apparently, ability to Google.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Dude. If you have something important to say post it up the top, preferably relate it to the article in question. If you want to have a personal relationship with me I’ve been going steady with the same lass since 2007 now. I’m taken.
            Your whinging about how victimised you feel that the silliest non issue movement in a generation is getting mocked is not making the movement in question look better. If you want to address that make a post about it. Nobody, nowhere and nohow wants to know whether you or I like each other.

          • William Burr

            Engagement deleted, iteration #95. You sure are a consistently cowardly version of shit, Michael Lindsay. Only you could reply to me this much and try to spin it as some kind of stalker thing. Pathetic.

            I think you’re sad. And that you’re just another white dude, in what is largely a fight of sad white dudes hating on geeks. The truth of this isn’t anybody hating on women, it’s white dudes with too much time on their hands (of which you’re among) looking at a diverse bunch of people they can’t control (GG, and the overall gaming demographic) and wishing you could make it be more status quo.

            The worst part is that over and over, you come up with fabrications to think you’re the good guy here. You get to deflect all those claims of privilege, and after all, your target isn’t anybody who can defend themselves, right? What could be safer than punching-down on folk who’ve been punched-down on for 3 decades now, right?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Enragement deleted?
            Kinda ragey way of saying it. *nods head*
            Again-if you have something substantial to say about Gamergate, Quinn, Gonj or critics of gamergate-you know where to do it!

          • William Burr

            I did. You ignored it. While being a prick. It’s your personal flair. At this point there’s no explaining it, except maybe you’re angling for an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry. But you’re far too boring.

          • William Burr

            Unfortunately you don’t. How are you still so bad at this topic, after like 8 months? You were among the first to jump in with your stupid south park avatar and your “listen and believe” world-view. How have you so utterly failed to research what’s actually going on?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Why are you having a conversation about a public topic that isn’t going to appear in the disqus comments about the article because it’s too far down the list? Because you want me to know about your precious opinion? I don’t give a stuff about your opinion.
            I do care about challenging your hate groups narrative in public but there’s no point exchanging words with you in private, you are of no importance to me personally whatsoever. You’re wasting your time and more importantly you’re wasting mine.
            If you have something to say about the topic post it up front and centre under the article and I may respond if I can be bothered!

          • William Burr

            (says guy responding to topic days later, about how dated the comments are)

            Because what kind of loser has the time to be on the internet all the time? I respond when items show up in my disqus. Duh.

            Look, I’m not part of a hate group. I’m not part of any group. I’ve been following GG (which is not a group, but a scandal) and watching those who’ve acted especially badly toward people because of the scandal.

            That’s you. You’re a consistent jerk. And that is the topic, because that’s what we were talking about.

          • William Burr

            Aw. Tears, snuff snuff. Look, your narrative, all this nonsense about the “hate group,” is over. It was a good con, and you did your job very well in perpetuating it. But more people than not now know that it was garbage. You thought if you just screwed your eyes shut tight enough and kept slandering, that somehow the truth could be buried underground forever.

            But it’s done. GG is just folk, and that’s known. They’ve been against things like Gawker’s utterly poisonous business model, and that’s known. So you can continue to cry away that (conveniently) the people you disagree with are monsters, but that corner you’ve painted yourself into just continues to look more and more ridiculous.

            And I’m glad for it. Because you’ve been a huge jerk to an awful lot of people, and it was totally unwarranted. You’ve backed scammers and sociopaths at the expense of decent folk. I hope you have to own up to that, eventually. Even if it’s just between you and your bedroom mirror.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hi Billy, telly broke tonight? Wife pissed at you? XBox malfunctioning?

            You’re back. You must be bored out of your fucking skull if you want to keep this going.

          • William Burr

            Aw, look who’s trying (and failing) to develop a sense of humor. Little late in this game for that gambit, compadre.

            So, ever come around on that “Oh my god I’ve been a terrible bigot and horrible to a bunch of people who did nothing wrong” issue? Do you get frequent flyer miles for backing the wrong horse a certain amount of times?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Bill, pubs shut-taps are off. Go home you’re drunk.

            Keep pouring so much attention into lil ol’ me and your wife is gonna get jelly.

          • hams

            For someone so concerned about the victims abuse you’re startlingly attached to protecting some dude who doesn’t have a scratch on him and didn’t even co-habitate with his alleged abuser.

            You realize there are people out there who really do need help? If helping victims is so important to you, why don’t you go do that. You aint helping Egon Goomba by throwing a fit here. You aren’t helping anyone. You’re sticking up for the status quo and concern trolling.

            Go help someone who needs it instead of some crybaby who is mad he got broken up with, or drop the act altogether.

          • William Burr

            I’m not “startlingly attached,” I’m speaking in defense. And it’s rather disturbing that your benchmark for abuse is measures in “scratches,” and now apparently abuse doesn’t count unless the abused person “co-habitates” with his abuser. (Which they did. It’s in the logs. It’s still irrelevant, and it’s still really really creepy for you to make that criteria).

            There are people who need help. I work with them, which is why it’s easy to recognize them. When I read “the zoe post” there were dozens of signifiers, not in what *he* said, but in what *she* said, that she is a classic abuser.

            She has an unlimited podium, as expressed in this “article” and promoted by people like you. He’s under a court-issued gag, for having the temerity of speaking up about his abuse, and this is also aided by people like you.

            Stop playing tough guy and tell me to “go do” etc. etc. That’s a day job. Don’t tell me what to do with my online time, you twerp. And if you’re feeling like maybe you want to be a better person, you might consider ceasing to abet the continued shaming of a person who was a victim of domestic abuse, and the promotion of a person who has abused. As a start.

          • hams

            You’re really boring and sanctimonious so I kinda skimmed through there. You, like the rest of the dingbats on your side, have no actual proof of fuckall. You’re pretending it’s about a victim of abuse but….based on what exactly? They both have their version of events. He certainly hasn’t provided any concrete proof of anything. I love how you’re sure he’s a victim but don’t think it’s at all odd that he would go out of his way to keep himself in her life. Instead of walking away he skulked and stalked until he had his manifesto ready to deliver to the world. (he admits to spreading it specifically to defame her to her friends)

            Either you’re incredibly insincere and trying to concern troll, or you’re a fool who is behaving reflexively.

            You get points for taking a unique angle for the GGers, but other than that you’re still just wasting kilobytes.

          • William Burr

            So, just ignore, and then spend several paragraphs attacking. Pretty par, for your sort.

          • hams

            Says the guy who didn’t respond to any of it other than to make an attempt at a quip. I’m not ignoring you, I’m just not taking you as seriously as you take yourself.

          • William Burr

            You’re ignoring all the substantive parts and just attacking, so more of same.

          • Craig

            If journalistic ethics were the issue shouldn’t the employee of Kotaku been the target since he is the one that supposedly violated journalistic ethics? Also shouldn’t this have all happened several years ago in response to the gamespot reviews issue?

          • William Burr

            He is, and has been. Kotaku, as an organization, and its entire rank-and-file has been under fire and under scrutiny for literally years.

            Every forum, from meta-critic, to Kotaku-In-Action, to Escapist, to Steam, etc., etc., etc., is rife with it. Kotaku as a whole has been a running joke for literally years, long before any of this “Gamergate” stuff started.”

            Your not knowing that is not proof of your unfounded misconceptions.

          • Craig

            Where are all his rape threats and death threats? Was he driven from his home?

          • William Burr

            “Threats” are not an indication of the veracity of what a person says. And nobody in the history of this kerfluffle has ever been “driven” from anything.

          • Craig

            What? So the women who moved after receiving repeated targeted threats did so for their health?

          • William Burr

            Nobody moved. Nobody even broke stride. One person took a vacation! You are just full of bullshit.

          • hams

            So I’m supposed to take you, and all your melvin compatriots at your word, except when making threats?
            Veracity doesn’t mean shit, it’s against the law, do you not understand that?

          • William Burr

            Oh lord, here we go. Yeah, somehow all this illegal activity has been going on, but also somehow nobody at all has been arrested for it.

            You’re a clown playing in a sandbox. Nobody in the real world takes your “threats” seriously. And they especially don’t rely on “threats” bolstering their opinion. That’s the last resort of someone who can’t support their ideas.

            Which is what you’re doing now, except you don’t even have a threat to point to. You’re so desperate, you’ve moved the topic to the very IDEA of threats.

          • hams

            Sorry dude, even Egon admitted to the massive amount of abuse. http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt Dig through it if you want, I already did.

            No arrests but several court orders…hmm. I mean if your angle is that the death threats are MADE UP, you are probably the biggest dipshit in the entire thread. Spend 5 minutes looking (I will tell you how if you need me to) and you will see they are NOT hard to find. There are a a lot of different angles for GG to take, but denying the abuse is absurd.

          • William Burr

            His fellow Ghostbusters will find this a hard blow to take.

          • hams

            I’m sure Eragon and Co. will find a way to twist it to their advantage.

          • William Burr

            Do you not know how to spell “Egon?”

          • William Burr

            I don’t know what your damage is, but for some reason by saying anti-GG has been shitty and by saying I’m compassionate toward a (male) survivor of abuse, you for some reason believe I should be the one to answer all of your dumb-as-shit questions about what Gamergate is about.

            I don’t know. I don’t give a shit. Aim your stupid questions to someone involved, someone who gives a shit. Maybe Milo Whatsisits.

          • Craig

            I’m sorry you can’t decide if it’s about abuse or game journalism ethics.

          • William Burr

            You literally have no brain. There’s just a grey pile of mush that don’t connect as it should.

          • Craig

            I’d be hard to move my hands if I didn’t have a brain. You literally don’t know what that word means.

          • William Burr

            What you do defies all rationality. It’d made more sense if you were a ghost than if you were an actual (shitty) person.

          • Craig

            You know you’re bad at arguing when you resort to name calling.

          • William Burr

            Eyeroll. Last bastion of someone with nothing substantive to say.

          • Craig

            Yes, insults are.

          • William Burr

            Are…sometimes funny? Often the most appropriate reaction to someone who has long abandoned substantive communication? I agree! Kiss a green snake!

          • Craig

            So you start insulting me, but say I’m the one who has long abandoned substantive communication? That makes perfect sense.

          • William Burr

            “I’m sorry you can’t decide…”

            Oh, so we’re pretending limp-wristed passive-aggression isn’t insult now. Okay. People who do that kind of thing are the most dickless of all.

          • Craig

            As opposed to people who insult strangers on the internet?

          • William Burr

            That’s you too, buddy. Look at your behavior up and down this forum. If you’re claiming that you’re not insulting, you’re seriously deluded. Also, “deleted substantive topic for 400, Alex.”

          • Craig

            I haven’t deleted any comments. But I do admit I choose what I respond to, as everyone does.

  • Person Person

    Zoe only had a few short-term relationships? Does her ex-husband know that? Just another detail the author either didn’t bother verifying or just plain lied about. And her ex-husband wrote his own zoe post:

    “The year I spent married to Zoe Quinn was the more horrific year of hell of my life. Zoe Quinn is the most despicable, disgusting, deceitful, foul and vile human being I have ever known….

    Why did I marry her?

    Because I was stupid and in love. And because I was yet unfamiliar with the term Borderline Personality Disorder, wherein a new boyfriend/girlfriend at first acts all loving and wonderful, and then a switch is thrown and they turn into a monster. Yup, that was her.

    Why did I stay? Because I didn’t want the shame of getting divorced. Because maybe I thought that I could be like Luke Skywalker, fishing the good out of Darth Vader. Or maybe I thought I could just tough it out.

    We met at worldcon in 2003, and since we split (she eventually left me, thank God, telling more lies about me on her way out), and then left the community.

    But now it seems like she’s edging back into the gaming community, writing, going to conventions again. If she shows up at a convention I’m at, I will be compelled to call the police or inform the convention security of her insane and violently unpredictable behavior. She is dangerous.

    I’ll warn you now. If you see her, run far far away. She is fucking evil incarnate.”

    Oh, my bad, that was not Zoe’s ex-husband who wrote that. It was Brianna Wu’s husband who wrote that about his ex-wife. Yet for some reason it’s OK when he does it.

    • Erik Miles

      “Oh, good gracious, this is terrible!
      So tell me; did he post this the Penny Arcade Forum? Maybe on SA?
      Did he leak more information to 4Chan perhaps? Maybe get himself involved in IRC chats with known harassers within that group?”

      • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

        Still saying he leaked info on 4chan, you know, that website notorious for having an ANONYMOUS user base.

      • Person Person

        Frank Wu posted it where he knew people who might meet his ex-wife would read it.

        • Erik Miles

          “He posted it where people might’ve have seen it”
          “Well gosh, that’s certainly conveniently vague.”

  • The Leader of Gamergate

    I just wanted to say that I find it funny that there are anti-GamerGate posters talking about how much we love gossip and fashion, two activities that are traditionally looked at as feminine/effeminate, as if they are negative attributes. I guess this just goes to show that it’s ok to be sexist, as long as you do it under the guise of women’s rights.

    • nate

      one lazy shit post two hating soap boxing and gossiping different things three the fact that this person is living in fear is undeniable and that people would defend this is sad note this is not a dig on you but on people that think this behavior is ok

    • Sophie Stark

      Just because someone’s anti-GG doesn’t mean they’re pro women’s rights; they could just have an issue with a bunch of neckbeard dudes with no life and high levels of unwarranted self importance.

      • Craig

        Lol, neckbeards

    • hams

      Keep trying to flip it around, I’m sure it’s gotta work at least once. Somehow

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        If you fail to see the irony, please step outside of your hugbox.

        • hams

          The irony is that a group infamous for misogyny and hatred towards anything they view as a threat to their vibyageems, thinks it’s credible to try and find the slightest excuse to sling back the accusations that they are actually guilty of.

          A dude in the thread used an insult that was ableist AND racist (knowingly or not) and when he got called out for it, his immediately response was to cry racism and ableism because somebody NOTICED.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I just wanted to remind you that I was the person that called that tomato avatar moron a mongoloid, you mongoloid. Let me also remind you that I was the one who corrected everyone on the meaning and etymology of mongoloid as a pejorative. I’ll link the post for you, because you probably can’t find your way around a computer without deleting system32 or something.

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/bostonmagazine/game_of_fear/#comment-1993313059

            I didn’t try to hide anything from anyone, and it’s remarkable that you can do the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that I did.

          • hams

            LOL sure, you really showed us. You didn’t know it was racist, and to protect yourself you’re pretending it’s not. Trust me everybody else knew what the word meant and where it came from. It might make you feel good to pretend otherwise but hey that’s your business.

            I notice you didn’t address your obvious habit of trying to flip it around when you get caught being a shithead. You must not have a defense then.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            But I wasn’t caught doing anything. You’re trying to argue that you outwitted me or something, but you have no point of attack. The sheer blindness to reality that you exhibit is terrifying. My one great source of solace is that you are too busy being a slacktivist to actually get up and do something about your imagined slights.

          • hams

            Nah dude, I’ve been making donations in the honor of the posters here to ZQ. My cause is making you troglodytes squirm. Judging from the number of shrieking replies I’ve gotten, I’d say I’m doing pretty good.

            “but I wasn’t caught doing anything” ok. you said a racist term and then denied it was racist, and then called the other guy a racist.

            I mean it would be much easier for you guys if condescending language was a suitable form of argument. Hell you might even win if that were the case. I have a dozen points of attack, as soon as you melvins can’t think of a rebuttal you wiggle and misdirect onto the next one. Repeat repeat repeat. You ignore the argument, provide no rebuttal (other than the tired few that have been shot down 100 times and have no value), use a bunch of condescending language, and then claim victory and sole ownership of ‘reality’

            It’s really predictable, that’s what makes it so easy to wind the Melvins up

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You can call me a racist all you want, but you will remain factually incorrect. I’ve explained this to you, but the intricacies of the English language seem to be alien to you. Just because you don’t like a word, doesn’t mean that the reality of its meaning can be bent to your whim, you mongoloid.

          • hams

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid

            Here you go brainiac. I know you need to feel like you’re mentally superior, but just like the rest of your arguments, this crumbles under the barest of scrutiny.

            By the way, ZQ says thanks for your donation.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            According to Ward O. Conner who wrote a book about John Langdon Down, since people with Down syndrome may have epicanthic folds, Down syndrome was widely called “Mongol” or “Mongoloid Idiocy”.[120] In reference to this, the term grew in usage as apejorative. A shortened version of the term, mong or mongol, is also used in the United Kingdom.[121] Chong Yah Lim, professor of economics at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore said that he did not like the term “Mongoloid” because it has “come to mean demented physical and mental developments”. Lim said that he thought the term “East Asian race” would be a more “appropriately neutral, modern term”.[122]

            You’re welcome.

          • hams

            Yes thank you for highlighting my point for me in the article I already read. I’m glad you now understand that mongoloid is abusive as both a racial and ableist term. If you have any more questions I’m afraid you’ll have to google them yourself. I know you -can’t stand- to be wrong, but you fucked up and you aint whining your way out of it. You could even admit you didn’t know it had racial connotations and squeak by. Or keep on the current path and embarrass yourself some more, up to you.

  • Jack

    Wow, what a fucker that Eron guy is. I hope he gets raped, killed and raped again. A taste of his own medicine. He needs to suffer.

    • Michael Lindsay

      No that’s completely nuts, so are you!

      • Jack

        It just makes me so angry. And I think, what would cause him the maximum amount of suffering?

        • appleblossom

          Having to talk to you for a few hours. But there is that pesky ol’ Eighth Amendment.

    • appleblossom

      No. He should just have his laptop taken away or be forced to play a lot of educational games about how his behavior is wrong.

      • Nuge

        Lying and doxxing is okay though right?

        • appleblossom

          No again. He outed himself publicly on purpose to smear his ex. Had he not done so, no one would know who he is and he would not have to whine about how mean people are being at him.

          • Nuge

            You forgot about the part where he believed nepotism was at play.

          • appleblossom

            So what? He still outed himself with the express purpose of hurting his ex as much as possible.

          • Nuge

            Again how is that worse that Quinn’s behavior? And I’m not talking about accusations of sex for publicity.

          • appleblossom

            She did not out him now did she? Had he, once again, just gone to speak to a therapist about his awful ex instead of carefully crafting a dramatized tale of their relationship to post on websites frequented by bored mobsters, no one would know who he is. Or probably, her either.

          • appleblossom

            He deliberately went after her in a way that makes it extremely difficult to deal with. Where she is not going to know if that person she just passed on the street is going to be the one person who has decided that today is the day he will make good on the death threat. And he knew exactly what he was doing.

    • The Leader of Gamergate

      There’s no need to false flag, friend.

    • Frieda

      Yawn. Troll away, trollkin. Troll away into the forest with your bretheren.

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      THIS IS ALL ANTI-GG’S MENTALITY, LOOK AT HOW DISGUSTING ANTI-GG IS.

      What I would say if I was an Anti-GG and this comment was from a GG.

      • Frieda

        Well, I mean, maybe if there were several thousand more of those. And if you added in things like, “You live at 123 Evergreen grove and I’m coming to your house at 6:00 with a hatchet to rape you etc etc etc.” Then we’d be a bit closer.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          No no no, individuals reflect the entire group, no matter how minuscule. – Anti-GG

          • Erik Miles

            Fella, at this point, it’s gone beyond just “cherry picking”
            At this point, finding a bad GG example is like dipping your hand into a cranberry bog

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Cite one.

          • Erik Miles

            Well, you can ask Mr. Ben Garrison of this very comment section. His views on Transfolk in particularly is “fascinating”

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I thought the bird analogy was pretty funny, actually. I don’t agree with it, but his wordplay is nice.

          • Erik Miles

            “Yeah, he was dickish, but, I mean, it was kinda funny…”
            How very “courageous” of you.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m not trying to be a hero, I’m being honest with myself, a trait you should consider emulating.

          • Erik Miles

            “I’m just bein’ honest”
            Ah. The famous last words of every shitty comedian who tried to pull a “politically incorrect” routine.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Humor works best if it rattles a few cages. I personally think we should stop trying to make everyone feel the same, and instead celebrate our differences.

          • Erik Miles

            Again, famous last words of the shitty, “politically incorrect” comedian

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Which would you rather live in:
            1. A vibrant and diverse world where we can all get along and understand that we are only equal when we’re dead

            OR

            2. A whitewashed world where we have to constantly live in fear of offending eachother over nothing

            I understand that this is a bit of a false dichotomy, but it’s for illustrative purposes, and you’re going to be a baby about it either way.

          • Erik Miles

            Oh, don’t misunderstand me. When it’s done right, I love politically incorrect humor. I wouldn’t be such a big fan of Richard Pryor, Louie CK, or George Carlin if I actually had a problem with it. It’s a heavy comedic hammer that can hit really hard if it’s done right.

            The only problem is, is that sometimes you get the jackass who swings that hammer wildly into the air with no regard. It’s this kind of distinction that coined the terms “punching up” and “punching down” And good comedians who last don’t tend to do the later.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            If you think that people should be treated differently based on their attributes, be they positive or negative, you’re supporting discrimination.

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s the same shitty arguments that you losers always attempt.

            “You’re the real racist/sexist/whatever! Some of my best friends are (the people I obviously hate)”. There are countless examples of this. Damn, son, think of something new.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It hurts, doesn’t it? The truth, that is. Stop using women and minorities to push your agenda without their consent. I think we came up with a hashtag for it, something about a shield.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah I remember that! #someofmybestfriendsareblack

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Are you saying that you don’t have black friends?

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow you sure turned that around! How can anyone accuse you of being a bigot just because you hate women NOW? hmmmm

            PS half my family, not to mention my partner, are black. IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m not the one trying to set standards of bigotry based on association with minorities/women. Is it good enough for you?

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re just the guy who obviously hates women.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You can think that, but it’s false, and there won’t be any convincing you otherwise, because you’re a petulant baby that won’t be happy without a daily dose of outrage.

          • Michael Lindsay

            A Gator saying that other people can’t live without their daily dose of outrage.
            Oh man.
            Oh look over here, a scientist being criticised for wearing a dumb shirt-cue le outrage. Over there, a bunch of Vox Day idiot fans called out for stuffing the Hugo ballot, bring that outrage. OMG someone wrote an article with the headline “Gamers are Dead”-All the outrage.
            All from Gators.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You seem to forget the outrage directed towards the scientist who wore that shirt, and the initial outrage from all those other events, directed at “gamers.” I’m going to ask you again, for the sake of the argument you hold so dear, to stop posting.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It wasn’t so much “outrage” with that silly shirtgate thing as “what not to wear to a press briefing”-until Gamergate got hold of it. If you want people to stop dismantling your silly arguments then you stop posting.
            Or, ya know. Just chuck an ableist insult at people like a bored grade 9 kid. You’re good at that.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Thanks. You’re dumb. Stop posting.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey look. The monkey is tossing poop again.

            No-I won’t stop posting. You having a tantrum trying to defend your indefensible crap is too entertaining!

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s not false.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            The part about me hating women or the part about you being a big baby? I hope it’s the latter, otherwise you might need to self-examine some more.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you don’t understand how sentences work. Have you considered remedial education?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You didn’t specify which statement in my post was false. Please use more specific language in the future.

            I hope that helps!

          • Michael Lindsay

            You getting out of your online cargo cult of haters would probably help you and everyone around you, not banking on it though.

            I believe it’s what alcoholics refer to as a “moment of clarity”.

          • Mr Corrections

            I am utterly sincere when I say that there is no shame in trying to improve your evidently poor grasp of what I assume is your native language. There are numerous other reasons you should be ashamed of yourself, though.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m also utterly sincere when I say that there is no shame in being a petulant manbaby who thinks the world is out to get him, and who also has a shitty posting gimmick.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            You are the first person to think of reposting “I hope that helps” at the end of their posts, except for the thousands of other dumbass losers.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m happy to hear that you’ve regressed to petty ableist insults.

            I hope that helps!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Except for “mongoloids” huh?

          • Frieda

            FACKIN LOL.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hahhahahahaha.

            #notyourshield eh?

          • Frieda

            I consent!

          • Michael Lindsay

            False dichotomy is false, but thanks for playing.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            See the part about the baby, you illiterate.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s OK to admit you don’t know what a dichotomy is.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It’s also ok to not read the post and argue that I don’t know what a dichotomy is, when I clearly point out that my statement is a false dichotomy, you mongoloid.

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow – racist abuse. Who would have thought that would happen from a person already demonstrating one kind of bigotry (aside from everyone)?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Actually, calling someone a mongoloid is in reference to Down’s Syndrome, which was originally called Mongoloid Idiocy. It’s more ableist than anything else, but you wouldn’t know that, you ignoramus.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah, it’s just ableist abuse in lieu of a coherent response. Not racism.

            This time.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Do your friends a favor and stop posting.

          • Mr Corrections

            Stop hating women.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I love women, you’re jumping to conclusions.

          • Mr Corrections

            Conclusions supported by the iron-clad evidence that you hate women and love to threaten them.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Show one example of me threatening women. I’ll give you a hint, this thread is my first time posting about GamerGate.

          • Mr Corrections

            I really don’t give a shit about proving that you hate women; it’s evident simply because you support GamerGate, a group that exists for no other reason than to harass women.

            For much the same reason, I’d call you a racist if you were a Klansman.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m happy that someone can be so dead-set on their ideology that they ignore everyone and everything else around them, sort of like a rhino, except much less majestic.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m unhappy that bigots like you exist. Still, you’re a dying breed, and you hilariously do yourselves so much harm when you try to justify yourselves that I’m not that unhappy.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Why would I be unhappy? According to you, since I’m a white, cisgendered male with an upper middle-class upbringing and at least one degree from a reputable institute of learning in a professional field with exceptional earnings and advancement potential, I should be exceptionally happy. I am.

          • Mr Corrections

            I never said any of those things. What the fuck is wrong with your brain? Stop threatening women, you shitty goddam loser.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You’re being ableist.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow. The dumbass bigot who thought “mongoloid” was a HILARIOUS insult to throw around (in 2015!) is accusing other people of being ableist.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You didn’t even know that calling someone a mongoloid was a reference to genetic disorders until I told you, you dumbo.

          • Mr Corrections

            I knew exactly what the word meant. I also think it’s racist, as does anyone with an education.

            I hope that helps, Klansman!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            No, you didn’t. If you did, you wouldn’t have called me a racist. How is calling someone of central asian heritage an insult?

            I hope that helps, person whose heritage can be traced back to the largest land empire in human history!

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re right, Grand Wizard – just because you hate women and other races, is no reason to think that you’re a moron who cannot tell when they are being mocked.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I wish I was a wizard. I’d cast a spell that would make everyone stop being mean to eachother. You’d still be a bitter manbaby, though, which is sad.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            I guess if there was no other way to protect the unjustified privilege I was attempting to defend I would hope for a magical solution too, if I was missing critical faculties as you most clearly are.

            I hope that helps, King Kleagle!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I stopped reading the literary vomit of your posting ages ago LOL.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            To be fair, I’ve been assuming you were functionally illiterate since your first post, so it really doesn’t make any difference to me.

            I hope that helps, Imperial Dragon!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I wish I was a dragon!

            I hope that helps, Exalted Cyclops!

          • Frieda

            In all honesty, he doesn’t sound like one of the threateners. He sounds like one of the dumb, credulous morons who can’t google and believe everything they read that the harassers use to dismiss and discredit the victims while distracting everybody. He’s more of a henchman. The ones that bother to debate usually are.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t see a reason to distinguish between bigots and deliberately obtuse apologists for bigotry.

          • Frieda

            I s’pose you’re right. But at least bigots are open about it. Stupidity is so irritating.

          • Mr Corrections

            In this case, however, they have been nakedly and grotesquely bigoted in several different places – up to and including throwing “mongoloid” around as an insult – so I think our difference of opinion here is purely academic.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It’s so remarkable looking at you attempting to take the academic highground when I just taught you the origin of a word today. I guess you had to put the big boy (or girl, or whatever you identify yourself as) pants on at some point. Good on you!

            Hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re literally the stupidest person on this thread full of stupid GamerGaters, but I can’t help you with your shortcomings.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m sorry that your mirror broke.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            Gosh what a comeuppance! Nobody has ever tried that “I know you are but what am I” tactic before and I am completely undone. You sure showed me by continuing to attempt to justify thousands of rape threats.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I wish I had the endurance equivalent to that required to issue thousands of rape threats. Your bad posting is really starting to wear me out.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s OK – you’re a member of GamerGate, a misogynistic group dedicated solely to threatening women with death and rape. You can merely be a dipshit forum apologist on any article that documents the gross behaviour you condone, and let the other dim assholes do all the work.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I don’t condone anything done on either side of this issue, you’re caught up in your own narrative.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re so fucking dumb you think that you’re fooling anybody. It must be embarrassing!

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m sorry that you’re swinging at shadows and end up looking like an asshat. I won’t tell anyone, but you might want to stop before you embarrass yourself.

            I hope that helps!

          • Frieda

            Good lord. Just to put this stupid tangent to rest:
            “Mongoloid” is an old word referring to the features of people originating in East and Central Asia. You know, like the “Mongols”? Shares the root of “Mongolia”? That is what the word meant before it was applied to Down’s Syndrome kids. This is all easily googleable.

            So, racist and ableist. I’m not sure why you thought you had the moral high ground when you were ONLY being ableist, but you were, in fact, being both ableist and racist.

            Hooray, we all learned something. Can this die now?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            To be fair, referring to someone as a mongoloid in the racial sense isn’t an insult. Its original origin was plainly obvious even to that mongoloid with the dumb tomato avatar.

          • Frieda

            Great fucking fuck. When the word was applied to people of diminished mental capacity for no etymological reason except that asian people were assumed to be stupid, does that give you perhaps some insight as to the connotation of the word. You just used it as an insult. Just now. You just called someone “Asian” as an insult. I… I just don’t know how I can make it clearer.

            Tell you what, as a social experiment, why don’t you go out tomorrow and refer to the first asian person you see as a “mongoloid” and see if you get punched. Try explaining to them, “No, I didn’t mean “mongoloid” like “kid with mental retardation!!” I meant mongoloid like, “Asian!” I bet it will save you.

            Dude. You didn’t know what the word meant. You used it wrong. Doubling down now makes you look stupider. I’m not even asking you to confess and apologize, just shut up and quit digging that hole.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            The actual reason for the nomenclature was because Down’s Syndrome sufferers have “Asian-looking” eyes. It has nothing to do with the mental capacity of a person of Asian heritage.

          • Frieda

            Still doubling down. Calling someone “Asian” as an insult, not racist. Just… diggin’ away. Fine.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It’s fine to argue, it’s how problems get solved, but it helps to understand a subject before trying to force your opinion on it.

          • Frieda

            Yeah, you should get on that.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            This was part of a discussion of etymology, which although you do know what that word means, you didn’t know what mongoloid meant, in the context of a pejorative, before trying to argue its meaning.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m going to be real here, since you’ve been pretty real to me so far. I honestly couldn’t care about who Zoe Quinn has slept with to curry favors from, or who some dumb neckbeard on the internet threatened, or even Phil Fish doxing himself. I just care that most of you are so incredibly stupid to believe that people like Zoe and Phil are some sort of bastions of human virtue, and am trying to understand why. And for the record, I hated The Amazing Athiest long before it was cool.

          • Frieda

            …so, “Your accusations are transparently false and you guys deliberately gloss over abuse in order to suit your own narrative and cover for abusers despite all evidence,” sounds to you like, “ZOE QUINN AND PHIL PHISH ARE OUR SAVIOURS AND CAN DO NO WRONG!!!!!” ?

            This is perhaps not your first language?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            No, it’s just that you can argue that certain acts are defensible by certain people, and not by others.

          • Frieda

            Which is why I haven’t argued that.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            So then we agree, nice to say that, for once.

          • Frieda

            Oh God. You’re doing that thing GGers do where you leap wildly between unrelated points while remaining so vague nobody knows what you’re talking about, so you feel like you’re outsmarting them. I wish that tactic would die.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I don’t see the issue with finding common ground that people should be judged equally, based on their personal actions.

          • Frieda

            Except that it has nothing to do with the conversation we were having and makes no sense and is an obvious dodge…

          • hams

            Ahhh see the problem is, it’s not your place to judge. You aren’t a part of the criminal justice system….you don’t get to dole out punishments.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Neither are you, and neither do you, moron.

          • hams

            I’m not the one trying to pretend at either. That would be you, that’s why I said that.

          • hams

            These dudes are *rampant* on reddit. Unbelievably predictable. I posted a blueprint of how they operate and what do you know, every subsequent jerkoff has fit right into it.

          • hams

            Except we’re not arguing that.

            GG harasses women. I don’t care how many women you think are part of GG because your group has a well documented history of threatening and abusing anyone who disagrees with you (as long as they are a woman)

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            So say that Zoe Quinn is a liar and abuser, Five Guys are unethical scum, and Phil Fish is human garbage and I’ll stop. I’m not going to try to justify the alleged actions of a massive anonymous collective, because it would be impossible to know the motive of every single person who waves the GamerGate banner.

          • hams

            Alleged actions? You guys can’t seem to get it straight. Some say it never happened (despite mountains of proof) some say she deserved it, some are laughably deadset on making him look like the victim.

            Dude it’s really not that hard to figure out the motives of GG

            http://np.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=quinn&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

            Notice a trend here?

            I don’t care who you think is a liar or unethical, you’ve got enough unethical liars in your midst to make it a joke!

            If zoe is abusive, call the cops, not 4chan. If his proof is so fucking great, why hasn’t he taken it to the police? Why are GG the only group on earth that takes you, this scandal, or Epo Grody seriously?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m glad you’re here to be the motive police. It’s good that we charge people based on motive, and not crimes they commit, right?

          • hams

            Nah but if ya’ll weren’t such pathetic cowards hiding behind your anime avatars there would be a lot more of you in jail for threats and harassment.

            I’m talking about the OBVIOUS motives because you’re claiming they are something else. I’m calling you a liar, not ‘motive policing’.

          • hams

            Nobody cares about your job programming roombas.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            No one cares about your degree in Early North African Women’s Studies either.

          • hams

            Nah dude, I’ve got a real job doing real shit. I just don’t need to bring it up to justify what I say. You brought up your job and nobody cares. Hey have you guys figured out the technology to attach a fleshlight to a waifu yet? That would be a pretty big win for GG I would think. Then maybe ya’ll could let out some of the sexual frustration that drives you to hate women so much.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You’re behind the times if you think you can’t attach a fleshlight to your waifu of choice already. I’m sure if you keep up the smug self-righteousness, Starbucks will promote you to Assistant Store Manager in no time!

          • hams

            Lol glad to know you’re fully up to date on all the latest jerkoff technologies.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m sorry to hear that you’re still stuck with autofellatio.

          • hams

            Oh is that supposed to be a burn? Hey dude, let me know how your tomagotchi programming gig works out, I’ve got a kids digital watch that maybe I could use you on.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I read “I love women-in porn”.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I love women wherever they may be? Are you trying to shame women in the adult industry?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Are you clutching at straws?
            *pats head* I was mocking you, you know – like you do with women and other groups of people.

          • Frieda

            ALL women? Even the smelly ones?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Pretty much, though I prefer people that aren’t smelly.

          • Frieda

            What about women you’ve never met? What about women who pick their noses and talk incessantly about One Direction?

            What about me? Do you love me? I barely know you, dude. This is all happening so fast, I’m not ready for anything serious…

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I think we should get to know eachother better, but you seem like a wonderful person.

          • Frieda

            See, I just think it’s hysterical when men refer to loving women as if they are some homogenous collective, and then use that as proof that they’re not sexist. “I love women!” “I love cocker spaniels!” “I love potatoes!”

            I don’t love men. I love some men. The vast majority of men I have never met. I haven’t liked some of the men I have met. Because men are people and individuals. Saying “I love men!” like I’m talking about some broad genre of things like action movies or wool hats is condescending and absurd. Saying you couldn’t POSSIBLY have any problematic or sexist tendencies because you “love women,” is kind of self-defeating and ridiculous, especially since I called you on it twice and you just doubled on down.

            You don’t love women. Women are not a generic collective. You may love rice. You may love rainy afternoons. You may love football. But you can’t love something you know nothing about, and you know nothing about the vast majority of women. Unless you think of women as being things and not people, in which case you met one, you met ’em all!

          • Mr Corrections

            There aren’t enough upvote buttons for this post; clearly a flaw in the Disqus architecture.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I think it’s hysterical that you think that just because I think Five Guys, Zoe Quinn, and Phil Fish are human garbage, means that I think women, even feminists, as a collective are somehow lesser people. The world isn’t black and white, you should know that, if you espouse support for trans rights. Also, for the record, I love women, potatoes, men, and rice, but I don’t like cocker spaniels or football.

          • Frieda

            I don’t think you think women are collective and homogenous because you don’t like your assigned GG targets, I think you think women are collective and homogenous because you referred to women as collective and homogenous.

            As for your last sentence, you don’t understand why it makes you look stupid, and that is funny to me.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Is it so hard to think that a person could possibly enter interactions with a positive opinion of another, without having met them before? Maybe I’m just a glass-half-full kind of guy, but the lot of you seem so bitter and jaded.

          • hams

            It’s not that much of a jump.

          • Michael Lindsay

            But then he’d only be able to hate disabled people.

            C’mon can’t an online hate movement hate anyone these days?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Do my friends a favor and keep posting. The brainfarts of GG fans in this thread damns their movement even more than the article does!

          • Michael Lindsay

            I have an argument, my argument is…poo you smell…of elderberries.

            (golf claps) well done!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’d rather live in a world where entitled shitheads like you didn’t feel free to harass women for being “uppity”.

            I hope that helps!

          • hams

            Yeah I’m pretty sure being bombarded by death/rape threats counts as living in fear, which option are you implying GG will bring about?

          • Frieda

            Why do you think that allowing social progressives to use their free speech to share their opinions about video games on social media will bring about this whitewashed world you speak of? Why do you think the world would be more diverse if we just shut up the left-wing and multicultural / marginalized voices? Why do you think that stepping on peoples’ feelings and identities is something to be proud of and protected, but talking about your opinions is not (if said opinions are socially progressive)?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            If you really think that the left wing is marginalized, you need to step out of your echo chamber.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            His view on transfolk was not threatening them though, he’s just misinformed.

          • Erik Miles

            Well, that spine of yours you grew a moment ago vanished in a hurry.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Whatever that is suppose to mean/way to address my point.

          • Frieda

            Here’s some of what I have on my hard drive right now. These are from a while back. I stopped screencapping after a while when I realized that gators’ responses tended to be shoving their fingers in their ears and singing “I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!

            (The one beginning “Perhaps you die” and anything mentioning “Jace” was in the comments under the youtube video of that crazy person that was driving to Wu’s house with guns, egging him on. There were attempts to get him angrier, attempts to point him towards Harper and Quinn…”

            Now these are just the ones I personally screencapped. If you just poke around for like 5 minutes you will find tweets that are just… so much worse.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Share the screencaps.

          • Frieda

            There are 13 screencaps there. Try refereshing the page

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I see them now, it’s very hard to determine if those imageboard screencaps are actual GamerGate supporters, or simply anti-GamerGate participants attempting to pose as the former.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s the first one.

            I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            I’m glad you are able to make that distinction, based on screencaps of an anonymous imageboard. Bravo!

          • Mr Corrections

            It was easy, because GamerGate exists for no other reason than to threaten and harass women; I can’t really take any credit for such an obvious and self-evident conclusion.

          • Frieda

            Right on time! Like clockwork!

            “GG doesn’t harass people! You’re lying!”
            “Oh… oh, you mean those harassing tweets. Err…. yeah, those are definifely false flag operations.”
            “Proof? Proof of the false flag operations that I’m accusing your side of? Err… yeah, did I say false flag? I meant third party trolls.”
            “Oh, you want proof of that too? Well, I can’t provide proof of that, it’s a deliberately vague claim. AIRTIGHT, SJWS!”

          • Frieda

            Ooh, also, just FYI, the second image was the pinned post at the top of the GG 4chan board for a long time, not sure if it’s still up but it explicitly endorses dox.

          • hams

            You’re embarrassing yourself again…

            You asked for it, you got it, now you don’t want it. Bob and weave all you want, you’ve already lost.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Yeah poke around, ignore all the other #GG posts until you find a bad seed and use it to push your agenda. You’re Anti-GG for sure.

          • Frieda

            Yes, yes, that’s the trap. Either I spend the rest of my life screencapping or you dismiss it all. If you were actually interested in finding out the truth, you’d do a google here or there to find it out, it’s staggeringly easy to find. But you insist I screencap the whole internet for you and upload it all at a moment’s notice, and if I can’t do that I must be lying. Heard that one before. But the dude asked me to screencap him “one,” so I screencapped him 13. It was his idea.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Dismiss the trolls? How could I do such a thing.

          • Frieda

            You are trying to refute the claim that GG is a movement of trolls. Upon being presented a small sampling of the massive influx of GG trolling, you insist it’s not enough trolls to count. When told that it’s only a small sampling of the overall trolls, you insist that trolls don’t matter anyway.

            I just can’t keep track of those goalposts, man. WHERE DO THEY GO??

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            If it’s not majority trolls, it’s not enough trolls to count, matter or represent GG. You only see what supports your agenda, the trolls.

          • Frieda

            You gloss over anything that challenges your agenda, the trolls. Despite the fact that the entire movement sprang from them.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah, this what they’re like when they stop pretending to be human beings and skulk back to their 8chan clubhouse.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            You can say the same for Anti-GG, fella.

          • Mr Corrections

            Only if you’re an idiot liar with a really grotesque agenda, though.

          • GP

            That is a delightful analogy. I was familiar with cranberry harvesting, but never knew they were called bogs. No jokes, I’m pickled tink.

        • appleblossom

          It is Evergreen Terrace! Gosh, it is like you do not even care! /joke

          Heehee

  • PAZ

    It’s so reassuring to know that Eron Gjoni is the MLK of the GamerGate people. That let you know there their hearth is.

    Because the rants of a psycho-ex are the true essence of ethics in game journalism!

    • The Leader of Gamergate

      I don’t know why there is an article dedicated to this in the first place. Who is this guy and what does he have to do with journalistic ethics?

      • PAZ

        Everything!

        • The Leader of Gamergate

          Clearly, if the anti-GG crowd is searching for such low-hanging fruit.

          • PAZ

            I’m sorry, Poe’s law and everything else, but you know I was ironic, right?

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It’s almost as if you can’t see that I was, as well. You’re remarkably unperceptive.

          • hams

            It’s almost as if you think being smarmy and condescending is a good replacement for a personality

  • minmod

    If a woman was abused by her ex-bf, everyone would support her “outing” him. I guess some people just like to support abuse, as long as it’s in line with their politics.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Except that the whole screed was based on BS. That allegation that she slept with reviews? Turns out the guy never reviewed her game and only wrote about her in passing before they were involved. So there is that.

      • minmod

        Eron Groji and the Zoe Post never says anything about reviews. You never actually…read it for yourself, did you? Do you just let everyone else do your thinking for you?

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Why the hell would he do that? Are you insane?

        • minmod

          Also, most of the Zoe Posts is about their relationship and her OVERWHELMINGLY DOCUMENTED abusive behaviour, which you seem excited to excuse and encourage (perhaps you’re a fan of abusive behaviour yourself?).

          Aside from depression quest, Stephen Totilo (chief editor of Kotaku) in an extensive audio interview with John Bain, officially confirmed that his employee Nathan Grayson and Zoe Quinn had sexual relations within 24 hours of him positively covering her and posting her paypal link in an official article promoting her gamejam, and kept it a secret from everybody.

          Eron Gronji, though, doesn’t really care about that stuff and rarely writes about it. You don’t seem to have done any research yourself.

          • Mr Corrections

            What the fuck business is it of yours what she did? How does that justify the endless death threats? What is wrong with you?

          • minmod

            When did I say it justified death threats? Nowhere.

            And generally speaking, people support abused partners speaking out about being abused. Do you support abuse? Do you want battered wives to shut their mouths and stay quiet?

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re part of GamerGate, a group of dickless wonders that exist for no other reason than to harass and threaten women (and, hilariously, attempt to justify that harassment with the most pissweak arguments yet invented by man). That means you support death threats against women.

            I hope that helps!

          • minmod

            You didn’t answer my simple question: Do you want battered wives to shut their mouths and stay quiet, because it’s none of your business?

          • hams

            Your question is a hamfisted misdirection. Egor Gonad wasn’t a battered spouse, they weren’t married and didn’t even live together. I’ve had colds that lasted longer than their relationship.

          • minmod

            So abuse between two partners is okay if they’re not married?

          • hams

            Yet another lazy misdirection. You can’t prove any abuse took place. I can prove that loads of death and rape threats were rained down on her. I have decent evidence that he deliberately posted that to defame her, and was completely aware of the amount of abuse she received.

            If you’re done with your dipshit questions, I’ll move onto someone more interesting.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Yes, you clearly understand what gamergate is about.

          • hams

            Seems that way to me =]

          • Mr Corrections

            Well, it wasn’t difficult to figure out after you spent several years exclusively threatening women.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            I have never threatened anyone. If you’re lumping me in with the GG trolls, I’ll have you know they also threatened men and trans as well. All talk, no incidents.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t care what you pretend.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex
          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re a human joke, but really it’s by your own choice – I can’t help you with that problem.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex
          • Mr Corrections

            See previous post.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex
          • Mr Corrections

            I guess if I was a rape apologist, I wouldn’t be able to muster a cogent defence either. Luckily, I’m not that broken.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Now I’m a rape apologist? You’re joking.

          • Mr Corrections

            You are defending GamerGate, so: yes, you absolutely are.

            I hope that helps! Stop being gross!

          • Michal Dutkiewicz

            I innocently engaged in a Facebook conversation with Gamergaters, and they’re very smooth on the surface, but really horrible people – I now block anyone involved in the Group – They try to take a reasonable tone and use language well, but it’s all demeaning and insulting and Zoe is right – I found out the hard way – Just read the comments above and tell me these GG psychos are reasonable, balanced people! – The only people they are fooling are themselves.

          • Snoopy

            Geordie Tait, is that you?

          • hams

            Let’s expand that. Nobody cares about that. Just the Melvin brigade who aren’t misogynists, but can’t seem to find anything to get mad about if it doesn’t involve a woman at fault.

          • GP

            “Stephen Totilo (chief editor of Kotaku) in an extensive audio interview with John Bain, officially confirmed that his employee Nathan Grayson and Zoe Quinn had sexual relations within 24 hours of him positively covering her” Receipt please.

          • Frieda

            …said some guy on the internet, smugly.

          • GP

            I’ve been asking for quotes from the Zoepost (I wonder if any of them have actually read it?) to back up claims, article links, review links all over the place and I’ve yet to see a primary source. Apparently an Eron fan vid and a red arrow-covered screen cap count as “proof” in this circle.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s weird how GamerGate has never harassed Nathan, despite being solely about Journalismistic Ethics, which nominally apply to him and not her. What is up with that?

          • Snoopy

            That’s bc GG doesn’t actually harrass ppl.

          • Mr Corrections

            Bullshit.

          • Snoopy

            Quite the opposite. Despite all efforts to smear these good people, there hasn’t been ONE case of a gamergate supporter proven to have harrassed anyone – thousands of baseless accusations, not even 1 person EVER being charged for any crime. I think that speaks for itself.

          • Mr Corrections

            Haha yeah “We haven’t been caught so it never happened!”

            Good defence bro.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            ‘The head mod of /V/’, Slade Villena, FartToContinue, Mateus Prado Sousa, Mike Cernovich, Eron Gjoni, and Milo Yiannopoulos aren’t Gamergate supporters?

            Eron, as the article mentions, was charged with restraining order violations. That’s one person right there, unless you’re somehow going to try to pretend that he doesn’t count.

            Gamergate’s targets have received piles of threats. Some of the threats were delivered to venues hosting them. The police know where to find them. Sending a false police report is a crime. Threatening mass-casualty terrorist attacks is also a crime. What does the fact that NOT ONE of Gamergate’s targets has been arrested for filing false police reports or sending terroristic threats tell you?

          • Snoopy

            Thanks for proving my point – nothing but strawmen, smears, and baseless accusations.

            – “The head mod of /V/” – AHAHHAAHA, so obviously fake even the journo outlets swept it under the rug. Whoever faked this didn’t even care enough to get 4chan’s shibboleth right.

            – Mateus Prado Sousa, brasilian click bait journo obsessed with Anita Sarkeesian, unmasked by whom? YES, by gamergate’s own anti-harrassment patrol.

            – And what about Slade Villena, FartToContinue, Mike Cernovich and Milo? Nothing. They’re public personae, speak openly in public and apparently, nothing they do seems to mount up to anything even an ambulance-chasing lawyer or activist judge could misconstrue as “harrassment”.

            – And poor Eron – he was charged with violating a GAG ORDER, not a restraining order. In other words, he was punished by an activist judge for the crime of speaking his mind to other people. If you want to paint THAT as immoral behaviour, leave the US immediately for communist China, and never come back. And never mind that Eron is not an actual GGer.

            O BTW —
            Does anyone remember that “mass shooting” letter someone sent to that university where Anita Sarkeesian was supposed to speak ? I bet you do. That letter didn’t mention #gamergate or anything that concerns gamergate, but who cares as long as it serves the narrative, amirite?

            Here’s something you probably don’t know:
            The authorities looked into the matter and found that there was no credible danger. And do you know WHY they came to that conclusion ? Because a forensic analysis of the text said that there was an OVERWHELMING PROBABILITY that the letter was written BY A WOMAN, who was only masquerading as a male. In other words, a TYPICAL FEMINIST THREAT HOAX – the type authorities run into every other day. And although Sarkeesian was INFORMED by the authorities, she still kept on blaming GG, a knowingly false and defamatory accusation.

            And we’re back at 1 – no proof or evidence of any kind has ever surfaced that actual gamergaters have participated in harrassment or threats of their opponents. NOTHING but tropes and popular myths, carefully spread by immoral cultural marxist scumbags.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            ‘The head mod of /V/’: someone who broke into Polytron and posted a bunch of data, claiming he was doing so to support Gamergate and punish Phil Fish. While he’s obviously not a /V/ mod, because who the hell would tell the FBI where to find them in the course of a cracking attack, it’s highly probable that he WAS doing it to support Gamergate. I don’t have hard proof that this was a Gamergate supporter, but it seems unlikely to me that someone would risk jail time to spread a political message that they disagreed with.

            Milo Yiannopoulos: actually, he wrote to a woman whose dog had just died saying that that was no reason to stop harrassing her. He also has been caught spreading hoaxes which are defamatory to both Gamergate’s targets and to gamers as a whole. Caught, in the sense that *I* have seen him doing it.

            Mateus Prado Sousa: Yes, Gamergaters caught him, and that was a good thing. However, he was also a Gamergater, and hence a valid counterexample to your claim that “No gamergater has ever harrassed”.

            Mike Cernovich: Hired stalkers to watch Quinn’s house.

            Slade Villena: Offered to provide advice to a person planning to crack computers on #burgers’ behalf prior to the crack on Polytron. Subsequently reposted portions of the stolen information.

            PressFartToContinue: Last I looked, he was posting what he claimed was private information about one of the women Gamergate was harrassing.

            The mass shooting letter: Where is a link to this police forensic analysis that proves that a woman wrote it? I saw early Gamergater analyses that claimed it must have been written by a feminist because only feminists would know about the Virginia Tech shootings, but that’s really not credible. A quick search of 8ch.net for his name shows a Flash file that appears to be a leaderboard of mass murderers; Google’s excerpt reads: ‘Andrew Kehoe 1927 672. 4. Jin Ruchao 2001 616. 5. Anders Breivik 2011 458. Rank Player year Score. 2. James Huberty 1984 429. 3. Seung-Hui Cho 2007 ..’ People who are interested in school shootings can be reasonably expected to have heard of Cho.

            The actual story is that Utah authorities thought the authors of the threats (plural, not just the published one) were probably not going to carry out their threats, and IIRC felt that armed guards in the room were sufficient. Sarkeesian wanted a ban on audience members bringing guns to the talk; the authorities weren’t willing to do that. No horrible conspiracy, just a legit disagreement over risk levels.

            (Also, ‘immoral cultural marxists’? Are they the people responsible for all this degenerate art aimed at the youth of the Weimar Republic, by any chance? Stuff that normalizes notions like democracy and gay rights and women having jobs?)

          • Snoopy

            “‘The head mod of /V/'” – so you already knew that there is ZERO evidence connecting GG to it, but you wanted to bring it up anyway, because feelings..oh sorry, you call it “highly probable”.. and what facts is this probability calculated on? yup, thought so. ZERO AGAIN.

            BTW: Up to this day, noone has a coherent explanation for how this
            hack could’ve happened the way it is alleged to have happened. Not only were multiple accounts compromised, some of which do require a DOUBLE AUTHENTICATION (intercepting such data is impossible for
            non-institutionary parties), but what the hacker allegedly did after the
            hack, seems humanly impossible to pull off:

            This is Fish’s version: Within the shortest amount of time (35mins) that hacker allegedly downloaded ALL data from the Polygon server, sighted and evaluated EVERYTHING, made a collection of what he thought was the most important data, re-uploaded this collection (more than 1GB compressed archive) to the Polygon server and offered it for people to download it directly from there.

            Be.my.guest.

            Milo & Wu’s dog – Amazing you got the nerve to even talk about it. Wu had publicly accused GG of having her dog poisoned, an accusation so brutally nonsensical and heinous that it blew people’s minds. And you got the f’cking nerve to call those people who defended themselves against this smear “harrassers”? GTFO.

            Mateus Prado Sousa – That guy had 1 obsession only: Anita Sarkeesian, and he TRIED to make his moves under the cover of #gamergate. Gamergate might be an open movement, but if you don’t actually identify with GG’s goals, you’re not a part of it.

            I agree, it’s a pity you can’t read people’s minds, but it is what it is: “Do you, or do you not, support GG’s goals?” – everything else follows from that.

            Mike Cernovich: Hired a private investigator after ZQ had intiated an attempt to get him SWAT-ted, aka murdered by-proxy – everything documented in detail on his blog. He was just another victim of ZQ, not the other way around.

            Slade/Pressfart – loudmouths, no practical knowledge about hacking.

            Copying/Spreading data – morally unobjectionable, for hackers, or whistleblowers, as long as it justified. When is it justified ? When the data contains incriminating information. Did the Polygon hack contain such information? Yes, it did. Among other things, it contained a list of competition organisers/judges financially investing in Fish’s game projects. Corruption proven. GG was right again.

            BTW: This is the only reason why I’m not suspecting that Fish himself staged the whole thing. I simply accept that he would’ve been clever enough to not include such a document in the archive.


            What I remember about the forensics done on the Sarkeesian shooting threat letter was that it showed something which only women do – giving a detailed, intimate description of sexual violence. Something men simply can’t connect to. There’s a reason why 50 shades of grey is so popular with the ladies, and why the guys have no clue why this garbage porn is so successful.

            But that’s beside the point. Sarkeesian was informed that the authorities gave a “no risk” estimation, and she was also informed that the authorities had NO MEANS of banning/searching for guns because the law didn’t allow for that. It was her own decision to cancel the event, and judging by what she positively knew at that moment, she didn’t do it because of safety concerns.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            | “‘The head mod of /V/'” – so you already knew that there is ZERO evidence connecting GG to it, but you wanted to bring it up anyway, because feelings..oh sorry, you call it “highly probable”.. and what facts is this probability calculated on? yup, thought so. ZERO AGAIN.

            Primary evidence: The cracker claimed they did it for Gamergate. Both the knowledge of the crack and the exfiltrated data were used in Gamergate propaganda. Some of the data exfiltrated during the crack is data that some gamergaters, including yourself, believe should be spread around.

            Secondary evidence: the ‘Phil Fish hacked himself’ hoax sprung up suspiciously quickly; Slade Villena was observed discussing blackhat tactics on burgers IRC prior to the crack, and was subsequently involved in the distribution of the stolen data.

            |BTW: Up to this day, noone has a coherent explanation for how this
            hack could’ve happened the way it is alleged to have happened. Not only were multiple accounts compromised, some of which do require a DOUBLE AUTHENTICATION (intercepting such data is impossible for non-institutionary parties), but what the hacker allegedly did after the hack, seems humanly impossible

            I debunked an early edition of this hoax in August:

            http://spikycaterpillar.com/blog/quinnspiracy-hack-proof.png
            Several other people, including, IIRC, a few Gamergaters, published their own debunkings or repudiations of it, as well. Not that that seems to have actually stopped the hoax from floating about.

            |Milo & Wu’s dog – Amazing you got the nerve to even talk about it.

            Wu posted about her dog being severely ill. Wu posted about her dog dying. Wu posted about the autopsy. Wu posted about the autopsy results. Wu posted that she had suspected poisoning, but the autopsy results showed natural causes.

            Saying, roughly, “I thought Gamergate had poisoned my dog, but the vet says he wasn’t poisoned” is the EXACT OPPOSITE of accusing Gamergate of killing her dog.

            |Mateus Prado Sousa – That guy had 1 obsession only: Anita Sarkeesian, and he TRIED to make his moves under the cover of #gamergate. Gamergate might be an open movement, but if you don’t actually identify with GG’s goals, you’re not a part of it.

            |I agree, it’s a pity you can’t read people’s minds, but it is what it is: “Do you, or do you not, support GG’s goals?” – everything else follows from that.

            I see enough gators who think Gamergate’s goal is ‘get {feminists,SJWs,cultural marxists,people like Anita} out of the industry’ that I can’t credibly believe Sousa wasn’t sincere in his support.

            |Mike Cernovich: Hired a private investigator after ZQ had intiated an attempt to get him SWAT-ted, aka murdered by-proxy

            Cernovich has previously stated that posting home addresses is an acceptable tactic. This implies that he believes murder-by-proxy is an acceptable tactic, or that he is lying when he calls posting his address attempted murder. He also, IIRC, neglects to mention that he was stalking her before she posted his address.

            |Slade/Pressfart – loudmouths, no practical knowledge about hacking.

            I agree with you that they’re loudmouths, but I’ve seen no proof Slade’s incapable of cracking. He’s an aspiring dev, for Hastur’s sake. Using script kiddie toolkits is a lot easier than writing even part of FleetComm. Hell, weev has been caught breaking into things, and I hear rumours he isn’t even a coder.

            |Copying/Spreading data – morally unobjectionable, for hackers, or whistleblowers, as long as it justified. When is it justified ?

            If it’s justified under some interpretations of Gamergate ethics, why couldn’t a gator have done it?

            |BTW: This is the only reason why I’m not suspecting that Fish himself staged the whole thing. I simply accept that he would’ve been clever enough to not include such a document in the archive.

            Kudos for that.

            |What I remember about the forensics done on the Sarkeesian shooting threat letter was that it showed something which only women do – giving a detailed, intimate description of sexual violence.

            *Professional FBI profilers* get results on a par with fortune tellers giving cold readings. As, in my experience, both male and female authors are capable of writing detailed, intimate descriptions of sexual violence, I am going to conclude that whatever profiler fed you this line is ignorant and/or lying.

            |But that’s beside the point. Sarkeesian was informed that the authorities gave a “no risk” estimation

            So? The authorities are not always right in their assessments. The FBI decided that the Tsarnaevs were harmless. Elliot Rodger similarly got off with a police visit that, iirc, amounted to ‘Your Youtube channel is creepy. Are you gonna kill people?’ ‘Uhh… no?’ ‘Okay.’ Sarkeesian’s, IIRC, on the record stating that she believes that the authorities underestimate the risk that mysogynists will go from threat to action; my own anecdata suggests that she’s right. It is not unreasonable to suppose that she will act according to what she believes to be true rather than acting according to what you believe to be true.

            | And what evidence was there that any gamergater had anything to do with this stunt?

            The use of the hashtag in some of the threats; the fact that Gamergate fora have a large number of people convinced that Anita represents a significant threat to gaming or free speech in general; the fact that the people spreading variations on the ‘Anita is threatening herself’ hoax tend to use the Gamergate banner to do so.

            |(addon, bc you asked: cultural marxists are not democrats, they’re communists. offshoots are anti-capitalism, anti-colonialism, anti-zionism, radical feminism, social justice, identity politics, political correctness, accompanied by “critical theory” and the desire to overthrow “cultural hegemony”.)

            So, basically, to you cultural marxists are an anti-Soviet, anti-PRC, anti-DPRK branch of Communism that focuses on culture warfare and literary criticism instead of wealth redistribution or proletarian revolt?

            While there are communists who support everything on your laundry list of badthink, characterizing it as just offshoots of Communism is disengenuous. Everything you list – even anti-capitalism – can exist without Communism. It’s important to rememember that just because Communists *say* something requires Communism in their political speeches doesn’t mean it’s necessarily true!

          • Snoopy

            This is nothing… it’s almost embarrassing having to answer to this.

            1) “Primary evidence: The cracker claimed they did it for Gamergate”
            Cool. Except this isn’t evidence, because anyone, GG OR NOT, can make that claim, and did make that claim before. That’s the very nature of an open #hashtag.

            1b) “data were used in Gamergate propaganda”
            Did I explain why it HAD to be used, or not? Doesn’t matter how the data was obtained, if you have positive knowledge of things, you can’t claim otherwise.
            However, there is 1 thing we can probably agree on. IF that hack was done by an outsider, that outsider was probably trying to be supportive of GG, trying to hurt Phil Fish – which only requires knowledge of Fish’s character. Fish had an army of enemies before GG was conceived.

            2) “I debunked an early edition of this hoax in August:”
            This is not debunking. You pick single bits and try to demonstrate how they COULD have happened otherwise – which still tells you nothing about how it ACTUALLY happened.

            3) “”I thought Gamergate had poisoned my dog, but the vet says he wasn’t poisoned” is the EXACT OPPOSITE of accusing Gamergate of killing her dog.”
            Except what you packed into 1 sentence, Wu spread over 2 posts being almost an entire day apart. She upheld the accusation for as long as possible, and she never apologised to GG after the vet told her otherwise.

            4) “I see enough gators who think Gamergate’s goal is ‘get
            {feminists,SJWs,cultural marxists,people like Anita} out of the
            industry’ that I can’t credibly believe Sousa wasn’t sincere in his
            support.”

            That guy was obsessed with Annie before GG existed. IF it were true what you said, and that he was actually supportive of GG’s goals, it would only mean that GG’s #harrassmentpatrol had an even finer smell for horseshit than you previously admitted.

            It was GG who found the guy, tracked the guy, outed the guy, drove the guy out. And to still claim that he was somehow representative of GG, is nothing short of brutally dishonest.

            5) Sarkeesian’s, IIRC, on the record stating that she believes that the authorities underestimate the risk that mysogynists will go from threat to action; my own anecdata suggests that she’s right
            Really. How many dead online feminist activists do you know of who have been killed by gaming enthusiasts? Or by “basement dwelling neckbeards” in general ?

            6) “Cernovich has previously stated that posting home addresses is an acceptable tactic”
            This isn’t swatting. Swatting is calling the authorities and falsely claiming that a crime is in progress at that address, so armed and alarmed cops are sent there. That’s what was done to him. And nothing of what he did, or had to endure, makes him the villain in that story.

            7) “The use of the hashtag in some of the threats”
            See above. Using a hashtag is proof that a person knows the hashtag. And of nothing more. If you want to prove GG supportive of that, FIND harrassers with an active GG history. Should be super easy. Never happened tho, wonder why.

            7b) “‘Anita is threatening herself’ hoax”
            Indeed ppl didn’t believe a word of what she said, duh, that’s what happens to sh*t talkers. Boy.Wolf.
            However, by now, GG’s position is clear: The threat at that university is “real” insofar it actually happened, although the authorship is unknown. So she might still cherry-pick and exxaggerate things, but she only’s 99.5% full of sht.

            Quite the opposite must be said about Wu. She’s been caught flatout lying several times, and she’s been caught trying to prove “harrassment” her with pathetic attempts of false-flag instigations.

            Best example?
            Trying to get people to “harrass” her on Steam, having forgotten she was still logged in with her own developer account:
            http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/B9XBXrBCEAAIxhj.jpg
            Needless to say, before she realised her mistake and hysterically deleted the thread, ppl were quick enough to document her (typical) behaviour. So don’t go around talking about how GG comes up with “conspiracy theories”. False flags are a day-to-day nuisance for us.


            And in the end, as always, zero evidence for GG being that KKK, that ISIS and Hitler pendant it is said to be… how telling.

          • Winston_from_the_Ministry

            He must not have a patreon….

      • William Burr

        All of what you are saying is easy to prove false. You’re getting your claim from the original “Internet Aristocrat” videos, and even then he says “favorable coverage,” not “reviews.” And Grayson didn’t write about her product “in passing,” he gave her some seriously big coverage, pretty much as much as he was capable of. Everybody with at least an ounce of brain knows the “Powerful Twine Darling” article Grayson wrote, at the expense of dozens of other Steam Greenlighters.

        C’mon. This is an old argument you lost in like November 2014. We’re months from there.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Internet Aristocrat, that stalker?

          Makes sense!

          • minmod

            He’s saying you’re getting your information from a (bad) secondary source. Eron Gronji didn’t made any claims about “reviews”, so why are you bringing it up?

          • GP

            He did make up claims about her cheating on him, framed it as a betrayal of a Gamer Boi, rewrote it so to attract the attention of the worst butthurt dungeon-dwelling scum, and then helped them harass her, so there is that.

          • Bear Naff

            What makes you think the claims were made up? She never denied them, the real-and-actual logs show them brought up in discussions online between the two of them. The fact that she cheated on him several times is non-controversial and has been since day one. The only thing controversial about Ms. Quinn’s illicit sex life during her relationship with Mr. Gjoji was whether or not the sex was part of a quid pro quo arrangement.

            With the restraining order there hasn’t been any more information from Gjoji on the matter. So, looking at the information that was released, it looks like there was no direct trade of sex for favorable coverage or reviews or anything specific.

          • GP

            Find me the quote where she says I “I cheated on you.” Here is a quote for Eron saying she was rebounding and getting pissy because he claims she didn’t want him to do the same.

            Also, EFFICS! FREEZE PEECH!

            https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11141778_569341958212_8940393765190584385_n.jpg?oh=a922934dc7a8379e1d564e673c323226&oe=559A0338&__gda__=1436233581_6bf377c761c857ededfbef260117d013

          • William Burr

            That is literally ad-hominem. They’d kick you out of high-school debate club for that.

            Also, what I said had nothing to do at all with what IA said. Jesus, you’re so invested in believing what you want to believe, and being shitty to who you want to be shitty to, that you are literally incapable of listening.

          • hams

            You could not even get *into* debate club with the garbage you dudes are sloshing around here.

          • William Burr

            Nice of you to focus on hypothetical debate club, especially as it ignores the whole “your argument is bad” portion of things.

            So…is the new subject hypothetical debate club? Because I thought the first rule of hypothetical debate club is that you do not talk about hypothetical debate club.

          • hams

            Yo smartypants, you brought up the debate club as one of your extremely witty ripostes. Some kinda goldfish to forget that already.

            Me and several other posters have been stomping all over you goons all night. Ya’ll don’t even know when you’ve lost. You think you’re Rocky, and you can ‘lose til you win’. You’re not rRocky. You’re a bunch of misogynist dorks who can barely string together an if-then

          • Exadyne

            That is neither literally, nor figuratively ad hominem. He’s not attacking the arguer (you), he’s attacking your source, which makes it poisoning the well / genetic fallacy / fallacy of origin. Of course if he’s commenting to show the person has a definitive bias and dishonesty in how he’s handled this material before, it isn’t even a fallacy.

          • William Burr

            You’re right, until the point where he conflates IA with me. Then all criticisms of IA become of me as well. Other than that, very well-reasoned.

          • William Burr

            Oh thank god, an internet lawyer has arrived to debate fallacies!

            Yeah what you said was no more substantive than what he did, which means we’re invested more in the ‘who’ and ‘which side they’re on’ than the ‘what they’ve said.’ Somehow, I feel okay calling ad-hominem in these conditions, you puke.

        • Dean Brown

          “And Grayson didn’t write about her product “in passing,” he gave her
          some seriously big coverage, pretty much as much as he was capable of.”

          Um… no. That’s literally mentioning in passing. Three words. One of which was the open-source tool her game was made with. In an article the bulk of which was a massive list of all the games released.
          For a free game.

          ‘seriously big coverage’ is delusional.

          • William Burr

            Dude, No. I used the words “Poweful Twine Darling” for a reason, because it was part of a larger, obviously favorable, piece of fluff that favored one person’s work over 49 others’. It was not “Three words.” It was an entire piece that highlighted one work over that of 49 others. “Seriously big coverage” is an understatement.

          • Dean Brown

            Dude yes. It was *literally* three words, that’s an objective fact, literally a passing mention. It was absolutely not an entire piece on it, let alone a fluff piece, that’s either delusional or dishonest trolling. It’s like you haven’t even read it. It was also one of three games that were briefly mentioned before preceding with the main list in exactly the same way. In an article that, again, the overwhelming bulk of which was just a plain list of all fifty games released.

            “”Seriously big coverage” is an understatement.”

            Delusional.

          • William Burr

            It was not “literally three words.” It was a specific mention, out of 50 games, in a 4-paragraph article. Also the article opened with a screenshot *of a text-adventure,* which is a horrendously bad choice of screen-shot, if your goal is making your article interesting. And then it’s known by like *everyone* that these people *were totally banging*. Only serious nit-pickers care whether their “official” (behind one person’s stated primary relationship person’s back) entendre was on May 1 or May 3 or whatever the fuck. You have to be a seriously stunted person to think such differences matter.

            I’d recycle that word: delusional. If you can’t put the double-plus coverage together with the intermingling of genitals, then that’s a just plain stupid problem. Ain’t nothing can fix stupid.

          • Dean Brown

            “It was not “literally three words.” It was a specific mention, out of 50 games, in a 4-paragraph article.”

            A ‘specific mention’ that was **literally three words**, so… yeah, you’re a liar. With one of those being the software it was designed with, that was briefly mentioned with *two others* in an article explicitly about, and overwhelmingly consisting of, the entire list of fifty games released.
            And this was free game based on educating people about depression. -What a b*** eh.

            “And then it’s known by like *everyone* that these people *were totally banging*.”

            Dishonest people; Even Gjoni has explicitly said they hadn’t been involved at that time. Ain’t anyone going to accuse him of being biased towards her.

            You really are delusional and buying your own line of bs.
            Only a delusional and dishonest person would look at the article and call it ‘major coverage’ of anything.

          • William Burr

            The screenshot is a text game. It’s called “Powerful Twine Darling,” a mention, while 47 other games the article is ostensibly about, not getting a mention. The title of the article is a play on words referring to the game.

            I don’t know what your deal is, but if “delusional” is on the table, you’re it. Or just really, really thick.

          • Dean Brown

            “It’s called “Powerful Twine Darling,” a
            mention,”

            Three words for those of us who can count.
            And one of those is the software tool it was made with.

            “while 47 other games the article is ostensibly about, not
            getting a mention.”

            Which is a lie.
            It was briefly mentioned along with two others. In fact even calling it an article is an overstatement, -it’s a brief introduction to a list. Which as already stated comprises the overwhelming majority of the piece and is the explicit subject.

            Delusional isn’t just on the table, saying it was an ‘entire piece’ about it and that ‘”Seriously big coverage” is an understatement’, is full on crazytown bananapants.
            Also just flat out idiotic, pathetic, and desperate.
            Not to mention that everyone involved, *including* Gjoni, who no one except someone utterly delusional, would say has a bias for her, has explicitly stated and clarified that no relationship between the two had occurred at that point. So it’s completely moot.

          • William Burr

            You’re being ridiculous. Between the screenshot and the specific mention, it was obviously vaulted above the others. Its within the context of several other mentions within articles. Pretending that somehow it wasn’t given special attention, especially within the context of knowing (as in confirmed by both Valkenburg and Grayson) that it happened in the midst of a sexual relationship, is just willful burying of your head in the sand. Even the persons caught with their hands in the cookie jars have owned up to it, so why can’t you?

          • Dean Brown

            “You’re being ridiculous. ”

            No, you’re being desperate. The article is objectively not focused on the game, that’s a solid unarguable entirely neutral fact, -claiming it was ‘vaulted’ above the others is false. The brief mention was literally three words for goodness sake, and it was along with two others in a brief introduction to a list of every other single game that had been approved. -And that’s in the context of it not being a very significant article in the first place. It’s like accusing the owner of a flower shop of Watergate level deception and sexual intrigue to get mentioned in an aside in a local newspaper that was about all the flower shops in town. Barmy.
            Trying to paint this as significant or special treatment, calling it “Seriously big coverage”, is what’s more than ridiculous, it’s utterly delusional.

            “Pretending that somehow it wasn’t given special attention, especially within the context of knowing (as in confirmed by both Valkenburg and Grayson) that it happened in the midst of a sexual relationship,”

            Except that wasn’t ‘confirmed’, it was explicitly refuted and even Gonji clarified that to his knowledge this was before the two had such a relationship.

            “is just willful burying of your head in the sand.”

            And we can tell exactly where your head is buried.

          • William Burr

            The article mentions 3 games. 1 of those games is also the screenshot (of a text adventure!). Only 1 of those games gets a SS and a mention, and only 1 of those games gets 3 mentions in an article that’s purportedly about 50. If those metrics add up to you, and you can, with a straight face, still think that that precious “1” was not vaulted above the others, then I envy you your ability to choose what reality in which to believe.

            However,

            if you can choose that reality, knowing that the dude who wrote the piece was lusting after, and eventually banging the chick who made that oh-so-special game, then that’s not laudable. It’s just naive. It’s like you actively disbelieve that anyone would ever cozy up to someone for cheap press. And that’s just naive to the point of stupid. You should be on a special reserve somewhere.

          • Dean Brown

            “The article mentions 3 games. 1 of those games is also the screenshot (of a text adventure!).”

            The article mentions fifty games, with a very brief comment regarding three in the introduction, nothing out of the ordinary at all. The screenshot, of a generic bit of text doesn’t even have a caption identifying what it’s from; it hardly constitutes a plug for the game. Does it entice you to hunt out what it is?

            “knowing that the dude who wrote the piece was lusting after,”

            Something you have zero evidence of, and don’t think I haven’t noticed you’ve changed what you’re alleging, after the likewise lack of evidence for what you previously alleged was pointed out, and points which refuted it.

            “and eventually banging the chick”

            So, let me get this straight, -you think that anyone who’s ever written about something which included in any way anything, however minor, with a connection to that person, then there’s some sort of ethical Doctor-Patient, Student-Teacher, line that person shouldn’t cross? That it must, in fact *can only* indicate some grand conspiracy with sex and intrigue must’ve going on?
            I bet you’ve got some cracking theories about the Illuminati and chemtrails too eh.

            Someone who writes an article about fifty games sure has to cross a lot of people he might meet off his list right there.

            “who made that oh-so-special game,”

            No sane person is going to read that article and come away thinking “wow that Depression Quest that article was about sounds amazing!!!”. Because it’s not what the article was about, nor is it the focus of the article.

            “It’s like you actively disbelieve that anyone would ever cozy up to
            someone for cheap press.”

            Yes, I actively disbelieve that someone would ‘cosy up’ to someone for the sake of three words about a free game with a very specific niche, in an entirely unimportant, entirely un-noteworthy, article about fifty games getting green lighted, where it would’ve been listed anyway.
            There’s no meaningful gain there, outside of the frothing hyperbolic imaginations of rather strange people seeing everything through the lens of a weird obsession. No huge PR coup that’d have a PR man light headed with joy, cracking open the champagne bottles, with his eyes turning into little dollar signs.
            Are you going to level the same accusation at the makers of Tangiers and Treasure Adventure World? I mean apparently it’s complete unthinkable and naive to think that an introduction to a list of games might briefly mention a couple of them without some hanky panky going on. It barely qualifies as saying the game got ‘press’ ffs.

            “And that’s just naive to the point of stupid.
            You should be on a special reserve somewhere.”

            Funny I was just about the say the same of you. There’s absolutely nothing unusual in that article, and it would take either an extremely dishonest or delusional person to say otherwise. Or both.

          • William Burr

            Wow. Clueless. Grayson had admitted to it. Van Valkenberg has admitted to it. Totillo had admitted to it. There’s just no arguing with a zealot with his fingers shoved that far in his ears.

          • Dean Brown

            Okay, so you are literally delusional. -As pointed out already more than once, they didn’t ‘admit’ to ‘it’, -they explicitly refuted ‘it’, and even Gonji clarified in ‘The Zoe Post’ (editing later to correct a typo that could be interpreted that way) , that he absolutely no evidence or reason to think their was such a conflict of interest at the time. And just to be clear that’s a huge **EVEN**, in *even* Gonji. He is the source of the entire thing, and no one could argue he had anything even approximating a bias towards her or any motivation for for trying to make her look better, even in the context of his own allegations..

    • ginmar

      Except Gjoni is a lying stalker who incited people people to attack his ex.

  • Camarouge

    “Target”

    Ah yes, I remember being the target of several hashtags of myself. I remember their fixation, their utter devotion to do nothing but harass me via mean words on the internet. I remembered it well, as I vacationed in Europe, how awful it was for me. Certifiably horrific.

    Your article forgot to mention that the very same hashtag caused every natural disaster, assassination, and war in history. Eron is a mastermind, and this hashtag was his life’s work, you see.

    Observe it in action:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC_v0qPVAAAyvHa.jpg:large

    • Mr Corrections

      Ho ho yes those rape threats were just a merry joke, right fellows?

      • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

        Those rape threats were from trolls. Do you know what trolls do Mr Correction?

        • hams

          No sorry, they’re criminals.

          • Camarouge

            They committed the high crime of typing words on the internet. What a serious offense.

          • Mr Corrections

            It can be. Your understanding of the law is as lax as your understanding of personal hygiene.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Much as you like to minimise the actions of your hideous compadres it wasn’t just words. When someone demonstrates they know your address and they want to hurt you that’s more than mere words.

          • Camarouge

            It was just words because nothing happened. Yours and this article’s fearmongering was all for naught, except to drive clicks to this website and that you are blinded to this is really disappointing.

            It has been 8 months and there have been exactly 0 arrests, 0 trials, 0 people hurt from this. The law has investigated this multiple times now and found your claims to be utter bullshit.

            Except for one time:

            But yeah, there are no trolls, nobody’s taking advantage of this. Every tweet you receive is a credible threat and the first thing you should do is fear for your life.

            How much longer are you guys gonna bury your heads in the sand?

          • Mr Corrections

            Gross. You are garbage.

          • Camarouge

            Stop harassing and threatening me!

          • Mr Corrections

            Stop being garbage. Stop pretending that the justified response to your shameful behaviour is somehow worse than the rape threats you are directly condoning.

          • Camarouge

            This is rape. You are threatening me with rape. That isn’t a joke, you said it yourself! :(

          • Mr Corrections

            Fuck off.

          • Camarouge

            Or what? What if I don’t?

            All I’ve done is disagree with your ridiculous non-argument about ‘muh threats, muh harassment, muh poor abused person who I’m convinced can do no wrong’. And look at your comments. They speak for themselves.

            In an article talking about one man’s supposed abuse, you provide examples of all the abuse with no hint of irony, directed towards me.

            That is hypocrisy of the highest order and the fact that you can’t see that is just… cringeworthy. Like, seriously, what’s your deal? It sure isn’t integrity. You blew that the first time you said “gross” with all the finesse of an awkward teenager.

          • Mr Corrections

            Fuck off.

          • Camarouge

            Answer the question: what if I don’t?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, let me explain: Fuck off.

          • Camarouge

            That doesn’t answer the question.

            You can’t be THAT bad at this, can you?

            So again, I ask, until you properly answer:

            What. if. I. Don’t?

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re right – your dumbass rape threat apologist question deserves a response. Here it is: fuck off.

          • Snoopy

            Harrassing GG’ers is A-Ok, because {reasons} and stuff. Reality is, it’s people like Mr. Corrections who most likely sent death and rape threats out in order to smear GG with it… it’s a question of character.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well, the matter has made it all the way to the US Congress. Probably means lawmakers in other countries are taking note so-not for naught.

          • Camarouge

            It hasn’t “made its way in” at all. It was given a paid-for hearing, nothing more. No member of congress has naturally been interested in this non-issue, and its not going anywhere.

            Hell, the government member who was forced to listen to it admitted she was disappointed by internal FBI investigations.

            But by all means, please continue this pointless, authoritarian crusade against mean text on the internet.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah – it won’t be a non issue when some unhinged little GG supporter decides to try and come good with his threats. As the movement slides more into irrelevancy I can see that happening. Wasn’t that long ago that one made bombing and mass murder threats.

          • Camarouge

            There have been exactly 0 bombing and mass murder threats in 2015, lol. You are just getting the facts wrong at this point. I do remember a convention goer saying he would “crack some GG skulls” for Brianna Wu though. That was interesting.

            Speaking of conventions, the treatment you anti-GGers showed a Vivian James cosplayer, paired with cops getting called on some GG supporters for, uh, gathering in a park?

            I think someone’s going to make good with threats, definitely. But it won’t be anyone who called themselves a supporter at any point in their lives.

          • Mike Yocom

            “There have been exactly 0 bombings and mass murder threats in the timeframe I conveniently picked that excludes half of Gamergate’s existence and the October massacre threats tied to GG.”

            FIFY

          • Camarouge

            And it doesn’t change a thing ^^

            May 1 is two days a way, and you’ll have been wrong for 5 months at that point.

          • Snoopy

            delusions of grandeur. a “say hello” breakfast with a bunch of dye haired internet clowns doesn’t do anything for national, or international politics.

          • hams

            Nah, they committed the crime of threatening rape, murder, mass shooting, and actually stalking. Nobody cares if *you* take it serious

          • Camarouge

            Again, no matter how much you cry about it, mean tweets are not crimes. Nobody is going to jail over them. Someone could send you one right now, and guess what? Nothing’s gonna happen.

          • hams

            Well it’s a good thing you are not the arbiter of what is and isn’t a crime. The definition of harassment and assault are pretty broad. If it wasn’t 100% mewling cowards doing the harassment you bet there would be people in jail. Just because someone isn’t caught for a crime doesn’t make it not a crime, don’t be an infant.

        • Mr Corrections

          I fucking invented trolling, son. Rape threats aren’t trolling.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            It’s clear that you haven’t moved forward from your original design. A lot of innovation has happened since.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            Evolution goes both ways; I’m sorry that you pissants think you’re trolling, but that’s not any kind of flaw in my Art.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yep, now trolls form humorless mobs and bleat about “ethics in vidya journalism”, and stalk women.

            Not an improvement.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            That isn’t trolling, please stop trying to match wits with me, it’s clear that you are unarmed.

          • Michael Lindsay

            All you have is omnidirectional smarminess and smugness that you splash on to everyone. It’s not a substitute for wit dear.

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            You don’t know what smarm means.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Smarmy and smarm aren’t even the same word. If you’re gonna rely on semantics at least look up the definitions before you cram your phalanges down your trachea!

        • Spikier Than Thou

          Trolls are welcome in Gamergate as long as their actions are relatively low-key. Hell, even Jace was welcomed to a degree, and he wasn’t low key.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            Facts, they’re on your side.

            /s

      • Harrison Jaegermeister

        The rrape threats w/c the authorities concerned as not in real danger at ALL. HA! dont make me laugh.

        • Mr Corrections

          I would never downplay rape threats, but then I’m not an asshole.

          I hope that helps!

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Well then does that mean the authorities are assholes and liars as well?

          • Mr Corrections

            Um, yes? When have they ever not been, in all of human history? Not that “But someone else does it!” is any kind of excuse for your rape apologia in the first place.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Ha! As if any of the GG harassments ever went real dangerous. The reason why the authorities do not take it seriously is because it never came to a scale of being physical or in any real danger at all. You people just love to listen and believe.

          • Mr Corrections

            “I’m not a rape apologist. Now watch as I handwave away these rape threats!” <- you

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Hahaha! Yeah that’s what you people are good at keep throwing those words as if they’d stick and work.

          • Mr Corrections

            Maybe if you don’t want to be called a rape apologist, you should stop victim blaming, defending people sending rape threats, and downplaying the serious nature of those threats? Just a thought!

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Well maybe you should do a little research and dont just believe a one-sided article how about that? You only believe what they tell you like a good little sheep.

          • Mr Corrections

            All the research I needed was to look at your posts above, where you are victim blaming, defending people sending rape threats, and downplaying the serious nature of those threats.

            I hope that helps!

  • MeteorMess

    I dont know this Eron but i feel really bad for him. Abused and silenced by this vile person and her friends in the press. And now she and his rich new boyfriend has become a threat to the whole internet freedom with this congress bullshit. Hope you’ll end up locked in a psychiatric ward.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Hm, all GG talking points but it’s all news to you huh?

      • MeteorMess

        What?

        • Michael Lindsay

          You don’t know Gonj but you’re just spouting the GG church of Gonj and the blessed virgin Vivian James and you know it like the back of your hand.

          Gonj sure is loud for a silenced guy isn’t he?

          • MeteorMess

            Dude with ‘i dont know’ him was obvious i mean irl/personally…i’ve never speaked with him, i’ve only read he was silenced by court over a lie (by Zoe). You’re flooding the comment section engaging with everyone like an autist. You need help, trust me.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Ah ableism, how very Gator. Also his “being silenced” is kind of negated by the interviews he was told not to do in this article existing.
            And I don’t need help making you lot look stupid, you do that yourselves!

          • MeteorMess

            Ableism…Gator?What the hell these words are supposed to mean?Can you speak without creating new buzzwords like a 5 years old?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Your inability to understand the English language is not my concern.

          • MeteorMess

            Sadly i’ve not found these words of yours in the vocabulary. So it’s more you acting like a stupid 5 years old kid than me that cant understand english.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s called a dictionary, a vocabulary is not the same thing.
            The terms are relatively new ableism is discrimination against people that are disabled and Gator is an idiot sympathetic to GamerGate or that Gonj creep.
            Or you could have, you know just googled it. “Googled” is also not in the dictionary, yes it’s not a vocabulary, that is an entirely different word!

          • MeteorMess

            I’m not native english (its kinda obvious) and you seem pretty racist with all this mockery about vocabulary/dictionary. Seems to me you have something against non english people but try not project your racism on me thanks. You already have assaulted and pestered me with your nonsense for an hour only because i’ve expressed an opinion under an article. Hope people looking at this convo will finally understand how the Zoe Quinn army of online harassers is a bunch of people beyond the concept of sociopaths.

          • Michael Lindsay

            So my pointing out what words mean is racist?
            I guess if you think that’s racist then there’s no more point explaining vocabulary to you as the definition of that word would completely escape you!

          • Am I Tuna?

            Michael, just shh, you’re making yourself look silly.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And your contribution to the discussion is – nothing. Thank you for your time!

          • Mike Yocom

            You’re the one that started mocking people for using words you didn’t know. Guess that makes you the racist.

          • Jennifer Emick

            “Idiot” is ableist. I mean, while you’re being a trolling tool on the internet at least be consistent!

          • Mike Yocom

            “You used a word I don’t know, you must have made it up!”

            Ableism is in the dictionary, BTW

          • MeteorMess

            Go away troll

    • PAZ

      Now please explain me how this fit in ethics in game journalism.

      Thanks.

      • MeteorMess

        The article is about Zoe and Eron why I should comment with off-topic?

  • Daghatar the Adamant

    IM STILL RELEVENT I SWEAR

  • David Robinson

    To all the hysterical misogynists that sympathise with Gjoni and have all of a sudden become ultra-conservative in lieu of a female ‘outrageously’ exhibiting behaviour that is practically celebrated among male society – don’t let the door hit your hypocrisy on the way out.

  • Jodie Mae

    Zoe Quinn was a SomethingAwful HellDump member. Anyone who believes she was “terrfiied” of online “threats” is extremely gullible. She’s just trying to deflect criticism because she got caught with her panties around her ankles.

    • Mr Corrections

      You’re fucking garbage.

      I hope that helps!

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah I saw the supposed Helldump tweets. The timestamp said 2012.
      Two years before any of this was a thing, and non of it justifies what Gonj or his horde of Gators did next.
      Also the “panties around he ankles” comment, that’s…rather creepy.

    • Frieda

      https://archive.is/Qb96g

      You are perhaps referring to this. This is what we humanoids call “A joke.” You see, in order for a website to create a four year gap in someone’s resume, they would have to be posting all day, everyday. It would be absurd. This absurdity is the source of the humour. Add to that the fact that helldump was an obviously horrific site that any normal human would know not to admit to using on a public account that is attached to their name and professional reputation, and using Helldump as the website for this absurd addiction adds an edgy darkness to the joke. Humans sometimes respond to these devices by lifting their faces into a “smile” and making a sound called a “laugh,” but it does not necessarily follow that the joke had any truth to it.

      • Jodie Mae

        Except she actually had an account on Helldump

        https://archive.is/H9W0M

        But yes, thank you for admitting she was part of a horrific community full of harassers and abusers which resulted in the death of a teenage girl.

        • Michael Lindsay

          What does what Zoe was saying or doing about this helldump shenanigans have to do with this article or the events in this article? Nothing! Zoe’s personality, resume whatever is not the issue at hand. The fact that she’s been stalked by a gang of online morons who have turned their rage onto others who have annoyed them for whatever reason is. The fact that said gang was inspired by Gonj’s manipulative and stupid foray into whipping up hatred for one individual is.

  • Jodie Mae

    -When a woman speaks out about her abuse, she’s a hero
    -When a guy speaks out about his abuse, he’s a creepy stalker?

    Fuck you.

    Zoe Quinn has lied, harassed, bullied and cheated her way through the industry, but sure she’s the victim. -rolls eyes-

    • Michael Lindsay

      When someone uses someone else’s real name on the internet and accuses them of all the outrage-junkie stuff in Gonj’s screed then yeah-it is harassment and would be if it was done to a guy!

      • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

        Did… did you read the blog post?

  • Snoopy

    If you claim to have been harrassed by #gamergate:

    – 50% chance you’re just an opportunistic liar.
    – 40% chance you’ve received appropriate blowback for crimes you committed.
    – 10% chance you were actually trolled by some anti-GG false flag Ops.
    —-
    That is reality.

    • Michael Lindsay

      It’s more a laundry list of gamergate excuses.

      The language “anti GG false flag Ops” is quite tinfoil hat.

      • Snoopy

        LOL mate, the false flags have been documented multiple times, anti’s hands caught right in the cookie jar. That’s common knowledge by now. And if you deny that, you’re probably just another gaslighter, part of the anti brigade.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Like those pictures of the missile flying into the Pentagon, they was documented I tells ya.

          • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

            That’s a reasonable comparison, Michael. Not a stretch at all.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And they weren’t sounding completely barking paranoid, at all.

          • Snoopy

            Uhum ? So you’re a 9/11 truther ? Oh well, I suppose that explains a lot.. What’s next? Tell us all about the jews…

          • Michael Lindsay

            I. Was. Being. Facetious.

            Read it slowly Snoop.

          • Snoopy

            No, you weren’t. $5 say you believe in “rape culture, “patriarchy”, “islamophobia” and other cultural marxist tropes.

      • Jodie Mae

        Brianna was literally caught goading people to harass her, but we still get the blame

        http://a.pomf.se/ajzlqr.png

        • Michael Lindsay

          Relevant to this article, how?

          Oh that’s right, Sarkeesian, Quinn and Wu are all sort of different heads of the same folk demon for you aren’t they?

        • Michael Lindsay

          And Brianna Wu is connected to this article and the issues and individuals raised in it, how?

        • Exadyne

          If she’s openly using her screen-name how is that a false flag?
          I also enjoy that asking for people’s opinion is goading people to harass her.

  • ontheshoreline

    I would encourage anyone who read the article in full to them go ahead and take a look at these comments. They should really speak for themselves in the way the pro GG people talk, about women and to each other. You can see for yourselves just a tiny snippet of what has been going on here; the hysteria, the conspiracy theories, the derogatory language used against women, and the aggressive double standards.
    Also bear in mind that a link to this article was likely posted onto the boards of the websites that are packed full of GG supporters and that sites like these usually encourage members to flood the comments sections with both abuse and support for their cause.
    I think you’ll see just how scary this whole thing is, just by scrolling down. I’m fairly certain that the writer of this article will have Tweets and emails directed at him shortly, if not already.

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      “Also bear in mind that a link to this article was likely posted onto the boards of the websites that are packed full of GG supporters and that sites like these usually *encourage* members to flood the comments sections with both *abuse* and support for their cause.”

      You’re full of shit.

    • Woody

      So someone can lie and libel millions of innocent people but if those victims post to defend themselves and correct the lies it is they who are in the wrong?

      What planet are you on?

      • Mike Yocom

        Earth, where you clearly aren’t if you think GG numbers in the millions.

        • Woody

          Answer the point.

          You can libel millions of innocent people in defence of a self confessed rapist but if they defend themselves they are the bad guys?

          That is what you are saying. You think that is reasonable.

      • Exadyne

        He didn’t say you can’t come on and defend yourself. In fact, he’s encouraging to do so. Your examples of “defending yourselves” typically show exactly what he is encouraging people to look for.

        • Woody

          They are welcome to look at any of my posts.

          They should also be aware that people like you have been found operating sock puppet accounts and launching false flag attacks.

          So I advise people to check the account histories and try to get some idea of the persons back story or lack of.

          The mass shooting threat to Anita for example was almost certainly made by a social justice psychopath using a sock puppet account due to their referencing an obscure shooting that only a gender studies nutter/Feminist would have known about.

          Hence why the FBI said the threat was not remotely credible.

          It is very easy for you to have a second account and come in here making threats. You guys have been at it non stop.

          GamerGate – ZERO arrests, ZERO charges, ZERO convictions.

          • Exadyne

            “They should also be aware that people like you have been found operating sock puppet accounts and launching false flag attacks.”
            That’s a rather strongly implied accusation at me with no evidence. Odd that it is being called a tactic by gators, when it has been shown gators, and the 4Chan they come from commonly does this tactic en masse. For example, operation #notyourshield included a lot of faked minority accounts: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/
            “Hence why the FBI said the threat was not remotely credible.”
            I’d like a source for the FBI saying THEY felt the threat was coming from a false flag. All articles I can find say the FBI said the threat was not likely to be carried out because it was similar to other threats she had received which so far have amounted to no action, nothing about it being a false flag.
            “GamerGate – ZERO arrests, ZERO charges, ZERO convictions.”
            http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/17/gamergate_threats_why_it_s_so_hard_to_prosecute_the_people_targeting_zoe.html

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

            “GamerGate – ZERO arrests, ZERO charges, ZERO convictions.”
            Really setting the bar high there, fella!

    • Hessmix

      Oh how dare this article be linked and people encouraged to go and discuss it! Stop triggering me and oppressing my “facts”

    • Kelly Stewart

      I have always felt that the GG supporters inherently support the need for modern feminism as soon as they start typing. Unfortunately the world is not an equal place yet.

  • Snoopy

    BTW: Has noone else recognised that ZQ has a light form of microcephaly? That could easily explain her abnormal behaviour.

    • Michael Lindsay

      I recognise that you have a truly creepy obsession with her.

      I’m also guessing you aren’t a doctor and aren’t fit to diagnose anyone!

      • Hessmix

        doesn’t stop people on tumblr from self diagnosing does it?

      • Snoopy

        Obsession is what Zoe admitted to in terms of being a former Helldump member (equals worst of[/b/]²). Oh wait, it was an “crippling addiction”. My bad.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Uh huh, you guys went alll the way back to 2012 to find stuff on her to feed your creepy obsession.

          Yep.

          • Snoopy

            Why do you hate the truth so much, Michael? What are your crimes?

          • Michael Lindsay

            And have you stopped beating your wife?

            Classic.

  • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

    I would encourage anyone who read the article in full to then go ahead and read the Zoe Post and logs themselves.

    I’d also recommend reading Gonj’s recent blog about this article here – http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

    Also check out this Youtube series analyzing the zoe post and logs – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

    • Mike Yocom

      Already done. Eron Gjoni is a lying sack of shit who weaved you all an obvious conspiracy theory that you let yourselves become entangled in to become his personal army only because “ZOMG women can’t be gamers! They’ve come to take away our CoD and GTA!”

      • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

        Wow. That is almost the most accurate description of GG I’ve seen, you just forgot to throw in misogynist rapists.

  • WK Seah

    At this point. I believe that both of them are at fault for all the drama caused. How long has this issue been around now? Close to an year. So who’s Zoe Quinn, she isn’t really someone SO significant. This incident become a big hoo-ha just because she’s a female and she just so happened to decide to cause the drama. Threats are everywhere, anyway. If you are famous, you will get haters too.

    Of course I disapprove the actions taken by the Gjoni . In a normal cheating relationship, breaking-up is one thing, but taking revenge afterwards is bad. Nothing good ever comes out from it.

    This whole thing occur because there’s a suspicion on Nathan Grayson favoring Depression Quest because of Zoe Quinn and Nathan Grayson relationship. The attention was in fact drawn due to Gjoni’s action.

    And so GamerGate are a bunch of haters? No, not exactly. But the
    community is relatively large, at some point there will be haters in it.
    Same goes for the Anti-GamerGate community. I believe some of the
    GamerGaters also receives treats.

    So in this incident we have 2 side, GamerGate that claims that they are fighting for journalism ethics. And Anti-GamerGate claims that they are fighting against misogynist. Note that how journalism ethics and misogyny has no relation at all. Unfortunately, I am faced with bias resources on both side.

    As for the threats, there’s no proves that indicate that the threats are coming from GamerGate or the Anti-GamerGate. Treats are all anonymous. But suspects are always generated due to incident. Guilty until proven innocent I guess?

    • Spikier Than Thou

      Some of the threats have been tracked to individuals – an American who claimed it was all a joke, and a Brazilian antifeminist with a known grudge against Anita and a history of threatening people. Occam’s Razor suggests that most threats are sent by people who sincerely wish to intimidate the target.

      Gjoni decided to cause drama. He spent months trying; it’s not surprising that he eventually succeeded, and it doesn’t make sense to blame Quinn for it. The history of Gamergate shows that it was spearheaded by the haters – while any large group will have outliers, in Gamergate’s case the MODERATES are among the outliers.

  • Satin Is Real

    Okay, this guy is obviously a mental case. He will end up murdering somebody. Lock him up and throw away the key.

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      You should be in a position of power with that mentality.

      • Satin Is Real

        Well, the lack of people with rational mentalities in positions of power – like, if someone is a mental case, like this guy *so obviously* is, they need to be locked up and treated if possible – is precisely the reason why America is in the sorry state it is.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          You’re going places.

    • Hessmix

      Look into this more, you’ll find much much more then boston mag would like you to believe

      • Maura Stuard

        No, he’s a sociopath — much like the rest of the gg freaks.

        • Hessmix

          So quick to judge and name call.

          • hams

            It doesn’t take long to see the writing on the wall.

        • Harrison Jaegermeister

          Did a GGer ever killed any1? nope. So stop with the biased claims.

          • Hessmix

            Oh but man you forget, GGers are terrorists and the Boston rioters setting cars on fire and looting are “activists”

          • Vcom7418

            Wait Boston? Wasn’t it Baltimore?

          • Hessmix

            my bad, thanks for the correction. Slip of the mental faculties.

          • Mike Yocom

            Sociopaths are not necessarily violent, so “did a GGer ever kill” is a red herring.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Well did any life threatening ever happened on those so claimed victims? Like getting physical or something? like someone just busts out their doors and goes full blown genocide? thought so…..

  • Tom Raft

    I am pro-GamerGate. ZQ is largely irrelevant in the movement, despite people wishing to make it all about her. The only relevance she has in relation to GamerGate is that she had ‘relationships’ as a game developer with game journalists who didn’t disclose their relationships when writing about her and her product.

    ZQ wasn’t in the wrong, other than her questionable morals and life choices, she is free to do whatever she wants, it was the media whom GamerGate had an issue with, because they have a duty to disclose conflicts of interest. It was the media who threw ZQ under the bus by making it about her and made her and others the target for misogynistic scumbags on the internet in an attempt to avoid due criticism for their lack of professional conduct.

    Irrespective what happened between ZQ and this person, she never did or does now deserve to be hassled, even if she has a dubious past with some allegedy abhorrent activity of her own.

    The problem is everyone assumes she was attacked by GamerGate supporters. She received a lot of hate, and had been in war of words with people she had rubbed the wrong way for many years. I just haven’t seen any connection between these people and those who fought for an overhaul of the gaming media due to numerous ethical breaches outside of ZQ.

    The gaming media has been pointing the finger at GamerGate, largely because this group stands to make them accountable and they didn’t like it, the chief culprits in the media have largely been moved on or sacked since then, but some still remain.

    All we ask is, show us the evidence that it is related to GamerGate. The FBI has been following this from day one, threats to Anita came from a religious nut who was anti-feminism who had no links to GamerGate according to the FBI cyberterrorism taskforce yet the media still claims it was GamerGate who threatened and harassed her, as does Anita, despite the FBI’s statement.

    So who are these people threatening and harassing ZQ and others? GamerGate spokespeople have always condemned any personal attacks or abuse. Why have there been zero arrests or charges by the FBI in more then eight months?

    Even a US senator has been pressuring the FBI to make an arrest to blame GamerGate, there just isn’t any evidence to suggest any GamerGate supporter who has been fighting for game media reform has been involved in any attack on anyone.

    We all have mothers, some have sisters, daughters, cousins and nieces which we love dearly and we want there to be a safe environment for them and all women. Saying we are misogynists is a lie. You can lie to yourselves to make yourselves feel better, but don’t spread a lie about people in public.

    It is abhorrent to blame a group of people for crimes without evidence and without basis. We recognise women have been attacked and we wish those who have attacked them are caught and punished to the full extent of the law.

    However, thinking we are a party to this abuse is simply not true.

    We may disagree with the views that some women developers have, but having a difference of opinion and airing it doesn’t make you a misogynist.

    You are blaming innocent people for heinous crimes without any basis for linking those who made those attacks to GamerGate, it has to stop. Start taking some accountability for your own actions. If you believe we are behing the attacks, find some evidence, the FBI hasn’t found any link.

    • Karki Meade

      “It’s not about her, now let us discuss her for a long time.”

      • Tom Raft

        I spoke about her very little, as I said, the gaming media threw her under the bus by trying to make it about her. ZQ kept blaming GamerGate, without any supporting evidence. These are clear facts.

        You would have to ask her what her motivation was and continues to be for doing so. The FBI has followed up all the reports, there have not been any charge laid on anyone, let alone someone associated with GamerGate.

        Those who want to say it was GamerGate that was involved in any way as part of the group that harassed her should produce some evidence to back up their claims, because the FBI has no evidence.

        Yes, we know she had horrible things said about her and tweeted at her, it was just not anyone associated with GamerGate.

        Having the facts made clear, people can not falsely accuse GamerGate of being involved. GamerGate’s objectives and campaign and targets were transparent, anyone could see who the group was looking to influence and on what basis. ZQ wasn’t on the list, neither was any developer, only the media and those who financially support them.

        • Karki Meade

          Look at what you wrote. Go ahead. It’s not far from here. Just scroll up a little.

          I call you a liar. I could think you were just deluded before, but now I call you a liar.

          • Tom Raft

            Stick to the facts. GameGate was not involved in any way. There is no evidence.

            I only talked about ZQ in so far as to explain why she is irrelevant to GamerGate. Your stupid complaining is also irrelevant.

  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

    I’m pro Gamergate and while Zoe is certainly a distasteful individual, at no point have I been encouraged or instructed to direct any kind of communication to her.

    If the movement was aiming to harass women in gaming why would it pick a nobody who can barely be described as in gaming in the first place?

    • hams

      Good question, why ARE they doing that? or why are they harassing women in gaming at all? Aisha Tyler got ripped apart for daring to call herself a gamer and participate in a gaming awards show.

      • Hessmix

        Who’s harassing women? It’s certainly not GamerGate. Look at all the females involved in it.

        • hams

          ‘females’ like they’re horses or something. Is women too hard to spell?

          http://www.motherjones.com/files/gamergate.png

          or if you’re feeling feisty you can take 2 seconds to google ‘gamergate harassment’

          • Hessmix

            Attacking my use the word females…how juvenile of you (which there was nothing wrong with it).

            WE (gamergate) tracked down the person sending death threats to Brianna and Anita. WE did it because it was disgusting and we wanted them stopped.

            As well Wu never left her house, we have video and photographic proof of that.

          • Karki Meade

            Do you say “men” or “males”? If you say “males”, I guess you can be an idiot and keep saying “females”. But if you say “men”, you should probably say “women”. Because otherwise you sound like a douchenozzle.

          • Exadyne

            Ever watch DS9? Every time you use “females” when women would be appropriate, you sound like the Ferengi.

          • hams

            You might not think there is anything wrong with it, but hey you’ve definitely been wrong before. How nice of you to track down one of them, but all the other GGers in this thread say you aren’t a cohesive group. So you can’t really take credit for it, can you?

            You have….video and photographic proof….that someone didn’t leave their house….how is that not stalking. You had someone record video of her home? For how long? Do you know how insane that sounds?

        • Exadyne

          “Who’s harassing women? ”
          Oh, probably the people sending death threats, including the guy who sent one to Wu and got in a car accident after he said he was heading to her, and did have weapons on him.
          “Look at all the females involved in it.”
          What, the made up accounts recycled from 4Chan’s attempts to make Feminists look bad with fake accounts posting non-sense?

      • Winston_from_the_Ministry

        FOLLOW THE MONEY.

  • Hessmix

    To the Boston Mag:

    This is a terribly pedantic one-sided shoddy piece of “journalism.” The bias inherent in this article is so obvious it’s laughable. You’ve already sentenced the man before the justice system has ruled…

    AND SPEAKING OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. The restraining order is an erroneous insult to real justice. They bar him from speaking about this issue at all but ZQ is free and clear to spin whatever narrative she wants about this entire issue.

    This article and this entire situation is sickening.

  • Julie Mosley

    This woman has an agenda. I couldn’t help but notice that you had no views from “gamergaters.” Why is that? It is very biased without that basic journalistic endeavor. Maybe gamergaters had it right.

    • Maura Stuard

      Yeah, a group of faceless, spineless douchebags who decided to force every woman they did not like out of their homes, jobs, and lives is right. No. They should all be thrown in jail, and banned from tm Internet access.

      • Woody

        No one was forced out of their home. Quinn went on a long European holiday that she was bragging about booking long before the events occurred.

        Wu got busted lying as she was at home all along.

        • GP

          I can see how you’re ignorant enough to believe staying with a loved one while they work in a foreign country during a time of crisis can be a “European holiday.”

          • Hessmix

            You’re not disagreeing with his argument you’re attacking his characterization of the situation. Could you at least try to actually come up with a counter-argument?

          • GP

            An argument like, he mischaracterised the situation? Keep up, things move fast around here.

          • Hessmix

            You’re arguing about the semantics of his comment and ignoring the statement. No one was driven out of their home

          • GP

            No, I’m saying he’s mischaracterising the situation? You know, like saying GG is about ethics.

          • Hessmix

            I don’t know why I try anymore. You obviously don’t care about anything else but spinning the narrative.

          • GP

            Said the Gator who got mad that I called a dude out for lying. ETHICS, FREEZE PEACH! Etc.

          • Hessmix

            You definition of lying is so sketchy. I have a right to disagree with what you say and of course that extends to you. It doesn’t mean I have to like what you say.

          • GP

            Purposefully framing something in an inaccurate and misleading way is a sketchy definition of lying? Guess that’s why you’re a Gator.

          • Woody

            She raped her boyfriend by her own definition.

            That makes you a rape apologist.

            Disgusting.

          • GP

            …Really? Gosh, by her own definition? So not his or the law’s? Wow.

          • Woody

            She said it was a holiday when she booked it in the summer BEFORE it was revealed that she had slept with half the men in the games industry and BY HER OWN DEFINITION “raped” her boyfriend.

            STOP LYING

          • GP

            STOP SHOUTING BABY HULK!
            Did you read the article? No one is disputing she initially went as a holiday. She went with her boyfriend when he got a job and then stayed cause she was afraid to go home? Cause of absolute pissbabies like you?

            Also, start providing receipts. I keep asking for quotes and stuff, but you guys never send them…

          • Woody

            So you just admit it was holiday despite denying it earlier. She went home after as planned.

            Amazing how you guys back track and change the story as your lies are exposed.

            Please stop defending rape.

            You are enabling rape culture.

          • GP

            …Where did I deny it earlier?

            You’re enabling brain rot. Stop stupid Baby Hulking all over the threads.

          • Woody

            Just stop defending and promoting rape culture. Simple polite request.

          • GP

            So…does that mean there is no quote and you’re using language you’ve heard anti GG people use to try and silence critics of your BS? K.

            P.S. I found this picture of you. http://worth1000.s3.amazonaws.com/submissions/730500/730697_621a_625x1000.jpg

      • Harrison Jaegermeister

        Every woman? Now that is totally extreme. the ones who claimed they were forced out was those professional victims going in for a vacation.

    • hams

      Because nobody cares. GG is an irrelevant blip on the social radar. The vicious behavior of some of them have guaranteed that Zoe will be remembered more fondly and for far longer than them. I’m fine with that.

    • Karki Meade

      No views from gamergaters? There are two interviews in the article. One is Zoe Quinn. The other is some guy who I guess backs up everything she says. Yeah, I figure the addition of a gamergater could provide some balance.

    • Urethra Franklin

      lol

  • wells99

    People in controversial situations really need to start recording these interviews so at least there is a small chance that they can defend themselves properly if the interviewer becomes economical with the truth (guaranteed to happen!).

    • Hessmix

      If the person isn’t willing to allow the interviewee to record the interview probably isn’t worth it in the first place.

  • Woody

    Very one sided story. About 5% accurate.

    Typical of corrupt lying press that lead to the spawning of the gamergate hash tag.

    Something Quinn was knee deep in and exploiting for every penny at the time her ex blew the story wide open.

    • PAZ

      I’m sorry I’m confused. These are two interviews. They transcribed what the interviewed ones said. How can be 5% accurate?

      • Woody

        Allow me to rephrase.

        They only told 5% of the story. It is what they deliberately omitted (the 95%) that is key to understanding what really went on.

        • PAZ

          … this is an interview. They say what they want to say. Every time that they have an interview they have to repeat the whole story..?

          Did you count how many words this article have? And you want it 950% LONGER???

          • Woody

            They libel millions of third parties who don’t get a say.

            No mention of how Quinn framed wizard chan and sent a vicious mob to attack them.

            No mention of how Quinn and friend posted a lawyers address and encouraged people to get him killed by swatting him. To date that lawyer is the only person to really be forced out of their home.

            Isn’t he sueing them?

            Also stop victim blaming, rape apologists are not welcome.

          • PAZ

            …are you some sort of autoresponder bot..? O_o

          • Woody

            If you didn’t have cloth ears you wouldn’t have to be told twice.

            Stop defending rape culture.

            Stop victim blaming.

    • Tamagotchya

      5% of what’s said to be 5% accurate is 5% percent accurate.

      HOT DOGS.

      Shhhhh. You’ll wake baby.

  • ghosts woo

    Lol at the predictable GG loser comments. Hope your basement hovels cave in.

    • Harrison Jaegermeister

      Not gonna happen m8.

      • ghosts woo

        I forgot. It’s reinforced with your inferiority complexes and copious sprinkles of cheeto dust.

        • Harrison Jaegermeister

          Baseless assumptions of someone like you.

          • ghosts woo

            I’ve been searching a long time
            For someone exactly like you
            I’ve been traveling all around the world
            Waiting for you to come through.
            Someone like you makes it
            All worth while
            Someone like you keeps me satisfied.
            Someone exactly like you.

            I’ve been travelin’ a hard road
            Lookin’ for someone exactly like you
            I’ve been carryin’ my heavy load
            Waiting for the light to come shining through.
            Someone like you makes it all worth while
            Someone like you keeps me satisfied.
            Someone exactly like you.

            I’ve been doin’ some soul searching
            To find out where you’re at
            I’ve been up and down the highway
            In all kinds of foreign lands
            Someone like you makes it all worth while
            Someone like you keeps me satisfied.
            Someone exactly like you.
            I’ve been all around the world
            Marching to the beat of a different drum.
            But just lately I have realized
            The best is yet to come.
            Someone like you makes it all worth while
            Someone like you keeps me satisfied.
            Someone exactly like you.

          • Hessmix

            this thread is laughs a minute right?

          • ghosts woo

            I love to laugh
            Loud and long and clear
            I love to laugh
            It’s getting worse ev’ry year

            The more I laugh
            The more I fill with glee
            And the more the glee
            The more I’m a merrier me
            It’s embarrassing!
            The more I’m a merrier me!

    • Hessmix

      too bad I live on the second floor

      • ghosts woo

        You do realize the basement imagery is simply a symbolic way for me to express my disdain for the immaturity of you so called ‘movement’? I don’t care where you live, if you harass women.

        • Harrison Jaegermeister

          Oooo yes WE harass women.

          • ghosts woo

            Your movement does, my love. Even if you deny it here. Your affiliation with a movement that is known for rape threats puts you in bad company and makes you complicit. Sad for you.

          • Hessmix

            NO NO don’t skirt the issue! You said “if you,” that implied me. You accused ME of harassing women when I have never done so.

            My “movement” (it’s a consumer revolt) has never condoned rape threats. How dare you insinuate that we actively use rape threats like a weapon at our disposal. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • ghosts woo

            It’s sad, so sad
            It’s a sad, sad situation.
            And it’s getting more and more absurd.
            It’s sad, so sad
            Why can’t we talk it over?
            Oh it seems to me
            That sorry seems to be the hardest word.

          • ghosts woo

            I said ‘if you’. If is an assumption, not an accusation. I know people who have been threatened by your group so you are hilarious to me. You can’t separate your ‘it’s about ethics in game journalism’ from the more extreme people who use your cause name. You could try, by fighting against those people that blemish your cause. But they, even if it isn’t you personally, have now hijacked it to terrifying heights.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Please YOUR people did as extreme as this.

          • ghosts woo

            You didn’t even respond to my comment, but you are happy to attack me if I don’t tick whatever box you expect me to in my replies. Think about that. You won’t though. Because you don’t actually want to think about anything I have pointed out.

          • Hessmix

            Give me proof that someone who was actually a GamerGater threatened someone. No one ever seems able to provide proof. However I can provide ample proof of people harassing GamerGaters.

          • ghosts woo

            It’s helpful when it’s all anonymous, and the laws haven’t caught up with what the harassers are doing. I don’t want anyone to be harassed. But they continue to be.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Please we have a ton of people that acknowledge our movement. The only thing you see here are slandering and nothing more. You and you’re echochamber will serve no help to our cause we are growing and we will not stop anytime soon. So keep denying and believe what they tell you.

          • ghosts woo

            I’m so confused. I don’t want to ‘help your cause’. Have fun with your war against women. And I’m sorry for you, if this is your legacy.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            We already are making waves so i suggest to return to your hugbox.

          • ghosts woo

            If the waves you are aiming for are ethics in game journalism, then good for you. But if your waves are aiming to silence anyone who dare question your own ethics, then you are proving me right. Should I fear being doxxed by you, dear commenter? Or are you one of the good ones? Do you even think being doxxed is reprehensible? Do you believe that the victims do it to themselves? How do you rationalise the darker parts of your movement? And hugbox? You are angry. But I am not the enemy.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Do we believe that the victims do it themselves?

            YES. Just check this one: Wu totally forgot to log out while posting her “harassment” piece.

          • ghosts woo

            Do you believe in occam’s razor?
            And you didn’t respond to anything else I said. You only want to talk about the one thing, and not touch on anything else. It isn’t a very interesting conversation for me, my GG friend, if you do this. I am in danger of getting bored with you.

          • ghosts woo

            Too late. Too slow. Bored and unfulfilled by you. It’s time to go.

          • Hessmix

            muh feels before realz guise

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            HA! So be it. The more you ignore us the more we are able to move forward with our movement. So keep drinking that kool-aid m8. I’ll be laughing as your narrative crumbles down in ashes.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            THEN GET BORED. It’s alot better that way so we move a lot more easier.

            Should you be afraid of me for doxxing you? NO

            Do you even think being doxxed is reprehensible? NO

            How do you rationalise the darker parts of your movement? Every movement has it’s own shits. even the SJW’s OUR group Condemns such behavior and it’s either trolls are doing it or the professional victims themselves. If som1 in our movement does it, we report them.

            Hugbox: A hugbox is a derogatory term for an environment, usually on the internet, in which a group with similar interests gathers to discuss topics in what they intend to be a safe, comforting, and confrontation-free environment and if some1 disagrees or has a different opinion is either blocked or banned.

          • ghosts woo

            You don’t think being doxxed is reprehensible? But you claim no allegiance to it as a fear-spreading tactic. And you wonder why people respond negatively to you?

            This isn’t a war. You are not a general. I am less bored now you are actually responding rather than spouting campaign slogans as if I will be swayed by the unimaginative propaganda.

            I have nothing against you or people like you if your methods are benign. But again I say, occam’s razor. I know people who have dared to be public figures and female, and people claiming allegiance to GG have behaved like predators. Let’s say I believe you, and take your word for it that you haven’t done anything like this, and that you don’t know anyone who has. People who speak out against you end up targeted. Many, many people. Female people. People whose opinions I trust. occam’s razor. It isn’t the tooth fairy doing it, and it isn’t ALL self-detonating victims who can be bothered destroying or smearing GG. Or some crazy fringe element that manages to work tirelessly to silence detractors. Threateningly. Consistently. anonymously, because they aren’t stupid.
            I’m not convinced. I’m sorry. And if you cared about the image of your group, the fact that people seem to believe the worst of you should be a problem. And one you would seek to solve by not getting into comment arguments with strangers. But like actual adults. This is yours to disprove, whether you care or not is your own issue.
            Good luck.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Gamergate never cared about it’s own image m8. It kept spreading the truth’s and lies of every SJW’s, professional victims, and media slandering on gamers and media outlets like Gawker lost 7 figures just for blatantly spreading biased articles about us. Regardless of all that shit flinging on us the movement kept forwarding the months of continuous presence shows that. If you are not convinced, then try to talk to our “adult” supporters and ask them about their experiences and what they think about the movement. Like Milo Yiannopolous, Mike Cernovich, Christina Hoff Summers, Liana K, Mark kern, and many more.

            Those that have been targeted of threats and harassments online, have you ever thought about if they really were in any danger, why dont they report it to the authorities? not just making articles or post about it on twitter?

          • ghosts woo

            Which to me means you don’t care that people are harassing and threatening women in your name. Which brings us back to the very beginning again. You are not very good at discussing things.

            Did I say they didn’t report it? Of course they did. You are just throwing whatever you can at the wall hoping it sticks.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            We DO care about people harassing. THAT is why we report them should they ever DO that. Didn’t you read my past comments?

            AND DID ANYTHING LIFE THREATENING EVER HAPPENED TO THE VICTIMS? Yeah that’s what I thought. You people are indeed sheeps and just following whatever the media tells you what to do. Even the authorities think Anita Sarkeesians threats were never real because NOTHING LIFE THREATENING happened to her. So yeah keep defending these scam artists while we keep digging out their dirt. And keep on slandering us as if that stopped us b4.

          • ghosts woo

            You are spouting the same jargon I mentioned in my post below. I don’t know how I am meant to respond logically to you if you are not willing to talk without sounding like you are yelling out to a crowd somewhere. I makes me think I am talking to someone who isn’t even out of middle school.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            And you keep spouting up bullshit like every other article slandering gamergate, ONE-sided.

          • ghosts woo

            Yes, that is why it is a side I am arguing. That is what a discussion is, sweetheart. Are they not up to debates at school yet?
            And if I am judging you it is because you say you think the victims doxx themselves. That all things that claim GG harass people are lies. And then you say you believe the harassment, when the argument suits you. Honey, I can read what you have written before. And you aren’t someone who is very persuasive. I answered you below, but you aren’t capable of inferring my answer from what I’ve written. That is a shame.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Just showed proof that a victim can doxx he/herself now didn’t I? You just kept brushing away. I did not said that GG harassers are lies YOU ARE. You are basically twisting the arguments to suit YOU. If some people who harass others in the name of gamergate, we report them THAT’S IT. You kept on saying I deny those when I never said anything such!

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            YOu know what? How about You explain YOUR side as well? Everytime people who opposes gamergate that get’s “harassed” they get media coverage, but those that do support gamergate that get’s harassed as well never gets the same treatment. Especially like the ones I showed you? how do YOU explain that? How do you explain the same fear tactics like our “opposing side” even calling the parents? OR threatening them of unemployment?

          • ghosts woo

            You can’t have it both ways, my love. You can’t claim that none of the harassment from GG’s even exists while simultaneously claiming harassment. You have to see the flawed logic there. If you can’t, it really is time for me to leave you to it. Because you aren’t great at this. And you don’t actually care about convincing me anyway. You just want something to rail against. Anyone will do.
            If by ‘calling the parents’ you are referring to cases where people sent a constant barrage of rape threats and then faced repercussions? Repercussions for threats of violence isn’t harassment. Again, I refer to the flawed logic here. And I don’t think you really care what I think either way. Because you respond to me with the same generic catch-phrases I see everywhere.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            I did not deny the claims of harssment’s from GG I SAID we report them when they DID. I also laugh at how you just deflect my questions as if you ever had the authority to do so. You are no judge m8. So answer my questions because I answered yours.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            See this? This is what we do to the people who triest to do GG harassment. WE report & expose them. DO NOT tell me that I deny it.

          • Urethra Franklin

            You realize Virgil Texas laughs at you guys on Twitter everyday because he specifically did all of that as a joke, right?

            The reason it’s funny is because you all think it’s real.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            If it’s not real then why does he want to delete it?

          • Urethra Franklin

            He doesn’t you turd.

            He literally tweets that image from his own twitter account all the time.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            what about this one then? still not a joke?

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            OR THIS?

          • Tamagotchya

            I just love what you’ve done with the place.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            dude do you have anything better to do?

          • Tamagotchya

            You’re fabulous.WE think you’re fabulous fabulous work.fabulous.fabulous. You’re fabulous. Iloveyou. Sh, you’re fabulous. Fabulous.
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          • Tamagotchya

            Shhh, it’s okay. It’s okay. It’s okayit’s okay it’s okay.shhhhhh escuche. Shhhh, it’s okay. It’s okay.it’sokayit’sokay.

          • GP

            You’re a good egg. I’m keen on you.

          • Tamagotchya

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          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Heeeeey you’re an idiot trying to be cool….

          • Tamagotchya

            GONNA BE A COLD ONE.
            COLD ONE.
            A COLD ONE.
            GONNA
            COLD ONE.
            GONNA BE ANOTHER SCORCHER.
            COOL.
            COLD ONE.

          • Harrison Jaegermeister

            Cold one like your basement.

        • Hessmix

          You imply I’ve ever harassed a woman. See these sweeping generalizations you throw around?

  • Vcom7418

    I haven’t read the story (I am not interested in Internet Drama, or things that concern other people’s personal lives for that matter). But, as a gater, here’s what I’ll say.
    You can say “GG is about threats” however much you want, I won’t believe you. Because I was harassed, but by people who were against gamergate, even when I thought GG was bad. If anything, I saw other gaters help threatened by AGG, and this is what changed my perception about GG.
    That, along with the fact that some major video game websites started to fulfill GG’s demands (most importantly, having code of ethics, and following it to a T) and it really shows to me that GG is, without a joke, about ethics, and not just in video game journalism, but in journalism in general.
    You haters can disagree, call me a “VIOLENT WHITE MISOGYNYST” I don’t bloody care. You are willfully misinforming yourself. I am a gamergate member, haven’t posted a threat in my life. You can call GG a hate movement (how can I stop you, you are a free person like I am), but I saw AGGs harassing people who don’t know about Gamergate.
    All I can say is, good day sir/madam

    • GP

      “I didn’t read the story but here are my opinions on why it is bullshit and my assumptions about why people don’t like GG.”

      • Vcom7418

        You…
        just read the first five words, didn’t you?
        I think there aren’t just 5 words in my comment though.
        Good day.

        • GP

          Nope, read the whole thing. But it’s cute how you get pissy about the idea of someone having opinions about things they haven’t read. G’day, mate.

          • Vcom7418

            G’day. Sorry for the assumption. Just needed to let some steam out with that comment.

          • GP

            Nice comment edit. “Let off some steam,” good one.

          • Vcom7418

            Thanks… I guess? Don’t know what to praise here, really.

          • GP

            Just a sarcastic note that you added an excuse to your poor behaviour.

          • Vcom7418

            What poor behavior?

          • GP

            Your comments, in general.

          • Vcom7418

            So, I am not allowed to post my views? At all?

          • GP

            FREEZE PEACH! CRITICISM IS SILENCING ME! etc.

            Lol, sure.

          • Vcom7418

            So I am not?
            Fine.
            Once again, good day.

          • GP

            The oppression is real.

          • Vcom7418

            What oppression? You don’t like my comments? Good on you.

          • GP

            You know, your oppression. “So, I am not allowed to post my views? At all?”

          • Vcom7418

            Just asking you what you meant. From which I got you don’t like my comments.

          • GP

            Sure thing, victim of oppression.

          • Vcom7418

            Yeah, ok, sure, whatever.

    • RobertParker14

      There is no movement or group which identifies as “anti Gamergate though”. So all you are really saying here is “Some GG people harass others but so do some people who aren’t GG supporters.”
      In other words, the gist of your post is meaningless.

      • Hessmix

        Again with this narrative that there is no opposition group when there are clearly groups that have formed on places like /r/GamerGhazi

        • Harrison Jaegermeister

          Quote from dying light (video game): Do not argue with Ghazi it doesn’t work. That’s what the drug store people say.

        • RobertParker14

          It’s clear to anyone with a brain that there is no organized opposition. The only people that talk about “Anti-GG” is GG itself. Just open your eyes and look around outside of the insular world of GG if you don’t believe me. r/Gamerghazi is the place that ALWAYS gets mentioned as it is the only place where anti-GG sentiment solidifies in any way, and that is clearly marked as a trolling group – its own page states that it exists solely to “mock Gamergate”, it has no aims or agenda beyond that.
          The only two sides are Gamergate, and Everyone Else. And when you start criticizing “everyone else”, you know you are on the side which is destined to fail.

    • Tamagotchya

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  • Solanum Lycopersicum

    I can only advise anyone who read this article to actually read the Zoepost.
    Quinn is not a person worthy of respect.

    Her infidelity discredits her per her own definition of rape.
    Her Helldump past discredits her work against harassment.
    Her money-grabbing scam on Rebel Jam discredits her as a creator.
    Her attack on The Fine Young capitalists discredits her “feminism”.

    Her actions speak louder than words, and ignoring them, or writing one-sided articles about her, will not erase them.

    I actually respect her for spinning the negative publicity in her favor by bringing the focus on the minuscule part of criticism that could by any means be classified as harassment.
    She has used this tactic in the past, in promoting her game,
    and seems to have mastered this PR tactic.
    Skill is to be respected, even if it consists of lying.

    I also find it respect-worthy how she used her personal connections in gaming journalism to her advantage in the past.
    Whether or not she has slept with the journalist Nathan Grayson in “exchange” for positive coverage is inconsequential here, since them being friends is compromising his coverage enough.
    The one to be faulted here though is Grayson, and the outlets he works for. I do not fault her for using all means for success.

    That said:
    While I respect her as a skilled liar and manipulator, I despise her as a human being, for all the reasons stated above, as well as for lying to her followers, who are gullible enough to believe her without checking the facts.

    • Ruth

      My feelings exactly.

      • Solanum Lycopersicum

        And I did not even mention that she got the restraining order against Gjoni under the false pretense that he had leaked private nude photos of hers,
        even though the nude photos that circulate the internet are of a paid photo-shoot she did for a soft-core porn website some years prior, of her own volition, and for good money, I assume.

    • Tamagotchya

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    • ReallyNotThough

      Her Helldump past didn’t actually happen, that’s some BS GG made up.

      “Her attack on The Fine Young Capitalists discredits her “feminism”.”

      You get that TFYC is a scam to crowdfund Matt’s company, right? They’re not even subtle about it.

      “Whether or not she has slept with the journalist Nathan Grayson in “exchange” for positive coverage is inconsequential here”

      If it’s inconsequential, could GG maybe stop lying about it?

      • Solanum Lycopersicum

        She has at several points mentioned she was on Helldump, and mentioned two usernames she was going by, where one was a username for an IRC channel, and one for the forums. Both have been tracked down.

        There exist IRC logs where she talks about doxxing somebody, and in the forums there exists a thread where she talked about which STDs can be gotten how, in a discussion started by somebody wanting to “force” girls to have sex, when that girl is not in the mood.

        Here are the Archives from her claiming to have been Eris,

        and of the IRC channel log.
        https://archive.is/H9W0M
        https://archive.is/0uV1D

        She admits to having owned this channel here:
        http://archive.is/iVEAX
        While downplaying it as just a pokemon-related channel,

        which is disproven by the logs.

        Here she states her name from the forums:
        http://archive.is/l5gMS
        And here is the forum discussion I described:
        http://archive.is/A8ObX

        Her post is to be found on the second page.

        You can choose to ignore it, or call it a conspiracy theory, or do whatever you like, but I think that is some pretty good evidence.

        _______

        Show me some evidence that TFYC is a scam please! The game that got developed through that competition has been greenlit on Steam a few days ago.
        http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370251965

        _______

        I would be delighted to see where anyone is lying.

        She did indeed sleep with Grayson within 24 hours of the second article which positively highlighted her game specifically out of 50 others.

        She was indeed friends with him before that, and crashed a GameJam, only to bring her own rival Jam (RebelJam) onto the market.

        She then accepted donations to her private PayPal account, which she also uses for tips, for the Jam.

        Nothing has come of this, which leads many to believe she pocketed the money.

        Nobody properly reported on this behavior at the time, indeed there was a proper media blackout on the topic,
        with a following backlash by the media against their consumer base (http://i.imgur.com/wo6oQhv.jpg), which started GamerGate.

        If this had been handled professionally by the media, nobody would be talking about Quinn anymore, and GamerGate would have never happened.

        Instead the consumers have been shunned by the media, and we are constantly getting Quinn, and similar characters, shoved down our throats in articles which are as badly researched as this one.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Wow learn to edit.

          Which post, specifically, did Quinn make?

          “The game that got developed through that competition has been greenlit on Steam a few days ago.”

          Sure, good work crowdfunding a 75% male studio in the hopes that 8% of profits will go to one woman, and calling it “helping woman developers.”

          “Instead the consumers have been shunned by the media”

          Actually I’m pretty sure it’s just a couple of thousand channers. The other 500 million consumers are doing just fine.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            I did edit it for clarity and completion now, I hope you are satisfied.

            Search the forum for the username she told was hers,
            that is why I provided it to you.
            It is on the second page, lower half if I remember correctly.

            You source nothing on the percentages you provide, so I am inclined to ignore them as mindless drivel, feel free to give me the evidence I asked for at a later time.
            The competition was about promoting female developers, as well as the idea that women can develop games just as well as men.
            I do not see your point here.
            Should the woman in question have gotten 100% of the profits in your opinion? Should the company be 50% men, 50% women? Is that a requirement now?
            Again, I do not believe you on the percentages you cited anyway, because you do not source them, but I am trying to get your point.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Search the forum for the username she told was hers,”

            I did. Eris isn’t there.

            “Again, I do not believe you on the percentages you cited anyway”

            I love the degree to which GG has closed their eyes to TFYC just because they hate the right women. Seriously, this has been discussed, a lot.

            “The competition was about promoting female developers”

            No, it was about promoting a non-developer (singular). The woman was not hired, given a recommendation, or any training. She is still not a developer.

            “as well as the idea that women can develop games just as well as men.”

            Maybe that point could be made by supporting female game jams instead of male developers?

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            Eris was her name on the IRC, as I made clear.
            As you can see in the archive link I told you she tells her forum name in, she is “Ol Uncle Anime”.

            Show me where the TFYC has been discussed in this way.
            Sounds like a valid point, which however has nothing at all to do with the reason Zoe Quinn slandered them (their policy on trans-people, which she misunderstood), so I see no relevance to it in regards to Quinn.

            I do not know how a game jam can be female, and I still do not see how all of the developers were male, since, again, you source nothing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So you have Ol Uncle Anime, which, If it wasn’t a joke, is her, making a reasonable sex ed comment on a shitty forum?

            Here’s TFYC’s issues discussed: https://pixietalksgamergate.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/tfyc-questions/

            I wouldn’t call it slander, their policy did exclude pre-op trans people as written, they actually changed it to prevent that.

            “I do not know how a game jam can be female”

            Because it’s all-woman?

            ” I still do not see how all of the developers were male,”

            75% of Autobotika’s staff are male. Autobotika is the studio TFYC own, which they used to create the game. This should not be as complicated as you’re making it.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            I hope you realize how much of a goalpost-mover that is from your side about the Helldump thing.
            I do not think either that comment in particular is that bad, IF you ignore that she is giving tips to people who are discussing how to best force somebody into having sex. She is not encouraging them after all, but it is evidence for two things:

            1. She was on Helldump
            2. She lied about having been on Helldump, to her fans

            This post in particular does not implicate her in something unlawful, but Helldump is known for being true to its name (seems to have been shut down after driving someone to suicide), and the IRC log clearly shows that she knew about what was going on, or may have participated in it.
            She has also at several times stated that she misses Helldump. I will look for the links if you like to see.

            ______

            You know very well that the trans policy was meant to prevent men from pretending they are trans to participate in the competition. It did not mention surgery, it mentioned “transitioned”, which, as they have explained, was referring to the mental part.
            It seems to have been a bad wording, granted, but that misunderstanding could have been addressed in a civil manner, which Quinn did not do, instead she went straight for the Twitter Jihad.

            About the other stuff on TFYC:
            I am going to look into it. It looks interesting, thanks for the link.
            This however was not clear at the time Quinn made her move against them, and can therefore not, in my opinion, be used as a kind of retrospect justification for the doxxing, and the hacking of the funding page, which happened after a Twitter storm Quinn initiated, and in which she spread half-truths about them, ignoring all their attempts to contact her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “2. She lied about having been on Helldump, to her fans”

            Again, I don’t know the context of that one tweet. I don’t know if she was serious. And I don’t see exactly what was wrong with just posting on a shitty forum but not supporting anything bad.

            “instead she went straight for the Twitter Jihad.”

            And this justifies the thousands of rape threats how exactly?

            “be used as a kind of retrospect justification for the doxxing, and the hacking of the funding page,”

            Quinn was in no way responsible for that, and you know this.

            ” ignoring all their attempts to contact her.”

            She was in constant contact. She actually responded to their emails and asked that they stop slandering her. They refused.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            Are you kidding me?
            “And this justifies the thousands of rape threats how exactly?”

            What?

            Where did I even imply that?

            My original statement was that her fighting an organization with declared feminist goals, and her doxxing of them, discredits her as a feminist.

            Nothing more, nothing less.

            If you want to strawman me, then I have no business discussing this with you.

            I think I can agree that the TFYC situation was a clusterfuck,

            but I think we can agree too that she initiated it with her Twitter tirade.

            If this were the only thing to criticize about her, it would not be too serious.

            __________

            Which tweet do you want context on?

            The one where she said the Helldump thing was a lie made up by GG? The same thing, btw, that you were saying earlier?

            Well, the context is, in my opinion, that using GG as a scapegoat here, is the easiest strategy to lie to her followers.

            You can look at the tweet where she did in the archive I sent you from when I contacted her about it. I sure felt suckered.

            Or do you want context on the tweet where she says she misses helldump?

            I can provide you the tweets at least.
            https://archive.is/Qb96g
            http://archive.is/9LOWp
            http://archive.is/9LOWp
            http://archive.is/aqsts
            http://archive.is/9x2Ju
            http://archive.is/4DsKn
            https://archive.is/T344G

            That’s basically two tweets, the first is in 2012, the second in 2014. Placing the same joke 2 years apart would be a little strange. In one of her replies to her own tweet she says she misses it sometimes.

            Also, have you skimmed through the IRC log?

            Search it for “Eris”, the part about the doxxing appears pretty far at the top.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “My original statement was that her fighting an organization with declared feminist goals, and her doxxing of them, discredits her as a feminist.”

            But their goals were all BS, as were their policies.

            ” Placing the same joke 2 years apart would be a little strange.”

            Seems reasonable to me, I’m still on the updog train.

            Like, does it seem at all strange to you to be part of a movement that combed through 5 years of a person’s life just to retroactively make her look bad?

            Why would you do that?

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            As I said before, even if I give you that point completely, it still does not retroactively justify her Twitter Jyhad. We have been over this. I will look into it in detail.
            ____
            Nice try! But I will not ask you what updog is. 😀
            ____
            You are making your first mistake by assuming it is to make her look bad.
            Why always assume malicious intent? The world does not consist only of the good and the bad (and the ugly).

            It is to find out the truth.

            After the conflicts of interest with Grayson and some of her other friends (Hernandez/Love/Anthropy for example) came into the public eye, she was a public figure, and since the conflict of interest was not being investigated bey the media, anons decided to do it on their own.
            Because they felt lied to by the media, and wanted to find out the truth.

            She herself tweeted out the helldump stuff in September of the last year, leading people into that direction to dig for stuff. If she had not done that, it may never have come out.

            It is only of interest because she claims to stand against internet harassment by the way. Her actions are hypocritical.
            If she officially came from the position of someone who once was an online harasser, or at least was on an online harassment forum, and thus knows her stuff, I would not mind at all. It would be honest. It would be the truth.

            I do not think that anyone was systematically looking through all her twitter history post by post since the account was made.

            Now a question from me to you:
            How does it feel being lied to?
            https://archive.is/yLHbj

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” since the conflict of interest was not being investigated bey the media”

            Because it was discredited the day of.

            GG didn’t like this because it wasn’t as fun.

            “How does it feel being lied to?”

            Hmm, who would I believe, a member of a hate movement harassing a woman with out-of-context tweets, or the woman herself? Hard call.

            Again, you understand that not a single word of anything GG has said about Quinn advanced journalistic ethics, right?

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            I threw out the link you gave me and got this.
            https://twitter.com/HotSolanum/status/593510696807108608

            I am still going to look into it, don’t get me wrong, but not today, it is half past 10pm where I am at, and I want to go to bed soon, got work tomorrow.
            Have a nice night! (whatever timezone you are in)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sounds legit. Not like TFYC have ever lied to get support, like that time they said the team were all women, when they said they were supporting women, or when they said Quinn hacked them right?

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            I actually shot the last message on the fly, and did not see what had preceded it from your side.

            I’m still awake after all, and I am saddened to see you revert to the state you were in before we started our dialogue.

            So now, because you hate who I am, or rather, because you decide to assume I am someone you are allowed to hate, all the evidence which I have presented to you in regards to Quinn/Helldump, the veracity of which you can not confute, is somehow invalid in your small mind.

            It is not like you have not tried to refute it, you looked at the stuff, found it irrefutable, and tried to deflect the argument wherever you could.

            And now, because I have given Zoe Quinn the same chance to address the issue, as I have TFYC, I am a harasser somehow in your mind, by some twisted logic.
            If what I did is “harassment”, the word has no meaning,
            and if what I did is “harassment”, then it says a lot about the “harassment” that Quinn has been “suffering”.

            I am a little disappointed to be honest,
            for a moment there I had thought you a person, so to speak,
            as in: Someone who is not a mindless ideologue,
            who does not care about truth, and would rather blindly follow,
            than admit that their idol has lied to them.
            Who has identified the enemy, and ignores anything this person, or group says, no matter if it is legitimate, because ideology dictates that the enemy is always wrong and evil, and admitting to have been wrong is too hard to bother for a character as small as yours.

            I thought of pitying you, but any emotion is wasted on the likes of you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, Quinn has said repeatedly she doesn’t want to hear from GG.

            Stop bothering her.

            ” the veracity of which you can not confute”

            I can’t confirm it either. It’s your word against hers. GG has lied about her for 8 months, why would their word about her be anything other than garbage?

            Your last little screed is cute, but maybe when you grow up you’ll realize this isn’t a deep cultural revolution so much as thousands of people yelling at women for no reason and others asking them to stop.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            I do not know if I would call boredom an emotion,
            if it is, it might be the one emotion you are worthy of,
            but sadly, it is my least favorite one anyway, including fear.

            I suggest you look up what evidence is, compared to what a persons word is.
            You were presented with evidence, not with my word.
            Actually I am an anon, because I want to never be able to give a person my word online, because it would make me lazy, and it would devalue my arguments.

            Evidence stands independent of the personal element.

            The funny thing about the people who tell others to grow up, is that they are way too keen of seeming grown-up themselves. It leads to a lack of idealism, and to the exact kind of calculating behavior of supporting the lesser evil, which you display.
            But oh well, again it is you making assumptions about your opposition, instead of providing arguments.

            To end this on a Godwin! (I am allowed to, I am german)
            Your argument reminds me of the following hypothetical holocaust-denial:
            “The Allied Forces have harassed Hitler into committing suicide, they have been telling lies about him ever since. Hence the Holocaust must be a fabrication as well.”

            I have no doubt that the irony will be lost on you.

            You seem to have been unlucky,
            but I hope, if you have children, they hear the song.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “To end this on a Godwin! ”

            Definitely a sign that you’re keeping this in proportion and are mature enough to realize it’s largely a bunch of assholes shouting about a woman’s sex life.

    • Jelperman

      Assuming for the sake of argument that everything you wrote is true, how does that justify a jilted ex inciting a bunch of pitiful permavirgins to attack her? It’s a creepier version of writing a gal’s name and number on the wall of the men’s room (“for a good time call…”). And given what a dickless loser Eron Gjoni turned out to be, who could blame Zoe Quinn for seeking satisfaction in the arms of a real man? Good for her!

      I’m a movie buff and I’ve seen quite a few cases of reviewers and gossip sites going on the take or otherwise acting in a less than ethical manner? Do I get angry? Do I stalk the offending party? Do I go spreading nasty gossip about their sex lives like an old spinster with nothing better to do? NO! I simply stop reading those reviewers and visiting their sites.

      You guys need a sense of perspective.

      • Solanum Lycopersicum

        As I said none of the things you accuse me of promoting, I will just take this as a comment, as opposed to an argument.

        Doxxing, SWATing and Death threats are not acceptable, which I did not say, because it is common sense.

        I would like to note that your use of the word “jilted” implies that Quinn broke up with Gjoni, which actually happened the other way around. You know, because of the infidelity, as well as her blatant psychological manipulation.

        When he first articulated his suspicions to her, she told him it was all in his head.

        As I said, read the zoepost.

        The article is too one-sided to be taken seriously.

        If you want to read an account from a female friend of Gjoni’s:
        https://medium.com/@srachel_m/gamergate-launched-in-my-apartment-and-internet-im-sorry-not-that-sorry-13e5650fd172

        • Jelperman

          You have me confused with someone who cares about who dumped whom. One, it’s none of my business and none of yours either. Two, she could have boinked the entire Oakland Raiders roster (including the practice squad) and called him up so he could hear it and it still doesn’t excuse this creep for posting this personal stuff online and inciting a bunch of semen-crusted losers into sending threats.

          If this is all a scam to persecute this wanker, then why would a judge waste more than thirty seconds on it? Gjoni is a piece of human garbage.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            Seems like you have nothing to say really. Instead you just seem like some flamer on the internet.

            Why even reply to my comment when you take no issue with what I said?

            My point is that Quinn deserves no respect anywhere near the level she is getting, because of the things I listed.
            My point is not that she deserves harassment instead. Only a complete idiot, or someone who is acting in bad faith, would get that impression from my comment.

            If you want to disagree with me, and think instead that she deserves to be elevated to the level of patron saint of all women on the internet, or that her being “harassed” somehow erases all the shit things she has done, feel free to do so.

            If you want to call me a liar for listing the things I listed,
            feel free to do that as well, I really do not care about personal insults, or about people who personally insult anonymous people on the internet.

            If you want sources on the things I listed, I will give them to you.

            Have a nice day.

          • Jelperman

            You really are clueless aren’t you? Are you a relative or close personal friend of this creepy loser? If you aren’t, then what do you care? If you are, and you had any common decency, you would keep that crap private rather than spamming up Disqus with it.

          • Solanum Lycopersicum

            Sad to see you can only resort to personal attacks exclusively.
            On the other hand it makes me glad to see that I am on the rational side of things here.

            You want to know why I care? I am going to tell you.
            I care because I see an inaccurate article which idolizes a person who really does not deserve it, and misrepresents the circumstances all the way.
            I hate dishonesty, that’s why.

            You may have the last word now.
            I would eat my hat if you had anything substantive to say after all the needlessly emotional and uninformed stuff you have flamed me with so far.

            With best regards from Germany,
            JC

  • Patriot Q. Lasso

    It’s weird how this article seems to live in a world without a civil legal system. The choice isn’t to suffer in silence or break the First Amendment trying to put Gjoni in jail. Quinn should sue him until his pockets squeak. Tons of lawyers would do it for her for a % or just for kicks. False light, libel, etc. etc. etc. None of these guys have much money, sure, but let’s make them sell their XBox and their plasma to pay an outstanding judgment so they think a little harder next time about how much the lulz are worth it.

    • Hessmix

      It was never about “the lulz” you pedantic shill

    • Ruth

      She can’t sue him for libel cause nothing he’s said isn’t true. Also is it really ethical to sue someone if they aren’t very well off for writing a blogpost about you?

      • videmus

        If Zoe can’t sue him, then she should work with more news outlets like Boston Magazine to expose this hateful violent man. If a single brave woman could expose the fratboy gang rapists at UVa, then so too can Zoe expose her own tormentor and abuser. She’s just as strong and just as brave. With the help of media outlets in Boston and around the country, justice will coming to Gjoni whether he likes it or not.

        • Ruth

          Lol shows how little research you do. You know the UVA thing was shown to be false right? You need to be more critical of what you read and not believe things without evidence. All the evidence points to Zoe being abuser and Eron simply calling her out for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

          • ReallyNotThough

            How do you feel about Eron telling channers where she lives and saying that “burgersandfries” was doing great work?

          • Ruth

            Give evidence of him telling them where she lived. Pretty sure that never happened lol.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here he is, trying to work with channers to track her movements.

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/stalkingzoe.png

            Also, here he is saying that the goal was always to “drive Zoe into therapy.” Hmm, sounds a lot like abuse to me.

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/c0deebc4977b41163de1b0eac0e398f5.png

          • Ruth

            This is a guy wondering if he slept with Zoe and Eron helping him find out if you actually look at the context. And he’s not “driving her to therapy” he’s trying to get her to go to therapy because she’s a manipulative compulsive liar! LOL how you could take that tweet that way is beyond me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “he’s trying to get her to go to therapy because she’s a manipulative compulsive liar!”

            You get how justifying a movement that threatens to kill and rape your ex on the grounds of “helping her” is like Grade A Abuser Material, right?

          • Ruth

            He never justified the harassment. He justified their outrage at finding out about corruption in their industry.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He justified their outrage at finding out about corruption in their industry.”

            There was no corruption in the industry related to Quinn. And fiveguysburgersandfries was not about corruption.

          • Ruth

            It wasn’t, but he also didn’t start that. That was a small joke made in the post. The fact that someone is lying and manipulating as well as sleeping with their coworkers and journalists is, at best, a conflict of interest.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” The fact that someone is lying and manipulating as well as sleeping with their coworkers and journalists is”

            Well, it’s a good thing she didn’t actually sleep with any journalists while they wrote about her, right?

            “he also didn’t start that”

            No, he just said that it was appropriate and could only be better if it made his ex more depressed. Ethics!

          • Ruth

            When did he say it would be better if it made his ex more depressed? this has literally been you making accusations and then having to retract them because they are false. And no, there was never a review. But Nathan Grayson did give her positive press coverage and sleeping with journalists is obviously a conflict of interest.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “When did he say it would be better if it made his ex more depressed?”

            When he said that the harassment mob would be better if it drove her into therapy.

            Try to keep up.

            “But Nathan Grayson did give her positive press coverage”

            Not while sleeping with her, so maybe try lying less?

    • Woody

      Quinn and her friend are the ones being sued for posting a guys address and inciting swatting .

  • Hessmix

    I just realized something. This discussion is full of Goons…I’m done talking here. Get back to emailing and raising awareness. Also #sadpuppies

  • Kelly Stewart

    The comments here make me nautious, and completely miss this entire point – for no reason, or with any cause, is it EVER acceptable to threaten anyone with rape or murder. Death and rape threats are never ok. How do so many people miss this point????? I don’t care who she is, or how terrible her character is.

    • PAZ

      You don’t understand. This is about ethics in game journalism.

      If they don’t send death threats, how can you know how much they care about ethics????

      • GP

        EFFICS!!!

        FREEZE PEACH!!!

    • Woody

      Threaten rape? She actually did commit rape. By her own definition/admission.

      • Kelly Stewart

        Whatever your lynch mob with pitchforks and torches believe she did or didn’t do, it doesn’t excuse or condone your own actions.

        • Woody

          What actions? By who?

          No one from GG has ever been arrested, charged or convicted of anything.

          There is only evidence for false flag attacks and third party troll involvement.

          Meanwhile Quinn has confessed to rape, been shown with a friend to have doxxed and forced a guy from his home with swatting and you are on record defending rape culture and victim blaming.

          Libelling innocent people without a shred of evidence of their involvement is failing to deflect attention from your crimes. Rather the more you try to deflect, the more people discuss what you did.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “No one from GG has ever been arrested, charged or convicted of anything.”

            Strictly speaking, that’s not true. The former mod of /baph was a strong GG supporter who posted stuff about it all the time; there is now a warrant for his arrest.

          • Woody

            Arrested for what? Who did he threaten?

            By the way it looks like the SJW censors have moved in already so I doubt people will be able to post and contradict your lies much longer.

            Echo chamber incoming.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Learn to read. He has a warrant for his arrest. I’m fairly sure it’s for stealing personal information.

          • Mike Yocom

            He posted a judge’s SSN and current address in retaliation for the guilty verdict in the Silk Road case, and was selling retiree’s SSNs.

    • Ruth

      No one’s saying the harassment is ok. What they’re saying is don’t support an abuser because they got harassed on the internet and don’t believe an obvious badly written hit piece simply cause it coincides with the prevalent media narrative.

      • Urethra Franklin

        This is actually pretty well written. “badly written hit piece” is a catch-all term GGers use to describe every negative article written about them.

        Ruth, if that IS your real name (you’re likely a male pretending to be a female as is GG modus operandi), you need help.

        • Ruth

          If you actually think this is well written then it pretty much discredits everything you’re saying. Whether or not this article is true, it’s badly written and a hit piece. I need help for being able to recognize abuse? Sorry you don’t care about truth or protecting victims of abuse. I guess the cognitive dissonance of a feminist nongamergater having an opinion different from the obviously one sided one everyone’s bought from the media is too much for you to handle.

      • notorioushmr

        Who’s ‘supporting’ her? Her life is fucking awful. People like you and the people you support are literally threatening to kill/maim/rape her and her family. How is she benefiting?

        In any system, look at who benefits from the abuse of others.

        • Ruth

          Her patreon donations have quadrupled since the Zoepost. Everyone knows her name. Everyone sees her as a victim. That’s the best PR someone can get. I wrote an entire academic paper on how she’s used this as a public affairs campaign. “People like you”? What do you know about me? I’m not a gamergater. I’m actually a feminist. As a feminist, I don’t want to see traditional gender roles cause people to protect an abuser and tear down a victim simply because it is hard for people to believe a woman can abuse a man.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Would you trade places with her? Would you like the kind of “fame” that leads to dozens of explicit rape threats every day?

          • Ruth

            If I was trying to do what she does, absolutely. Even so, the point is, she’s an abuser and people need to stop protecting her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            BS, on so many levels.

            Everyone is affected by this kind of harassment. It’s a documented trend and pretending it doesn’t seriously mess up your life is just anti-science at this point.

            Second, if she was an abuser, I still wouldn’t support another abuser abusing her. Because abuse is wrong, whether or not it’s dressed up as revenge or ethics.

          • Ruth

            When did he abuse her? And I’m not saying it doesn’t mess up your life, but it’s been wonderful for her career. She definitely abused him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right here, he repeatedly encourages people who say they want to rape her and drive her to suicide: http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt

          • Ruth

            Which one is Eron and what am I looking for?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, the entire post is about Eron. Maybe look at the multiple screenshots of him encouraging abuse of his ex.

          • Ruth

            I took a look and I literally see none of that. None of those guys are Eron.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha sure, that’s why there’s multiple discussions of the admins verifying that Eron was indeed Eron. If you want a good summary though, check out the ideldilletante post.

          • Ruth

            But you still haven’t shown him doing any of the things you accused him of. And here’s a great breakdown of why the Ideldillentante post is bullshit. http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/104914740993/blue-author-well-the-publicly-promulgated

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, abuser logic in the first two paragraphs.

            No, trying to drive a woman into therapy with thousands of rape threats is not “helping” her, and only a domestic abuser could possibly think that it would.

            Why do you keep proving Eron is abusive? Maybe try proving your own points?

    • videmus

      Kelly you’ve hit the nail on the head! Gamergate lost all legitimacy when Zoe received those threats, in much the same way the gay-marriage movement lost when they started sending threats to the woman who owned that pizzeria in Indiana. She wasn’t exactly nice for refusing to cater some weddings, but I think we can all agree that once threats start to fly, that movement is essentially over.

  • zonilo1 .

    More evidence that GamerGate is nothing more than a witch hunt formed by a domestic abuser and primary aggressor who in fact knows how to exploit society’s social norms towards women and use it as a weapon not only against Quinn but towards any woman in the industry to “restore order” which is equivalent to the police putting down a rebellion to protect wealthy/capitalist/white/males which GamerGate pays parallels to towards women in the gaming industry.

    • Ruth

      Evidence? If an obvious and badly written hit piece with no actual citations counts as evidence. Domestic abuse? Writing how your ex gaslighted, cheated, manipulated, and abused you counts ad domestic abuse? If anyone’s exploiting society’s social norms its Zoe. No one seems able to fathom that MAYBE JUST MAYBE she isn’t did anything wrong. You really think this whole thing is that fucking simple? It’s an eight month long witch hunt for women in gaming? Come on. I’m a feminist and even that sounds ridiculous to me. Actually look into the situation and look at the actual evidence (like the chatlogs in the ZP) before you support an abuser and accuse a victim of abuse of being an abuser simply because the media says so.

      • zonilo1 .

        This is exactly what I’m talking about and it’s so obvious that you can’t even see it yourself because GG supporters like you cannot be reasoned with at all. The irony baffles me.

        • Ruth

          I’m not a GG supporter. I’m a feminist and I originally came out in favor of Zoe before someone actually showed me the evidence. Then I realized that the entire liberal media is protecting an obvious abuser. You clearly haven’t looked into it at all are are buying into an obviously overly simplistic and one sided view. I will give any evidence you ask for, since I’m apparently so unreasonable. Let’s start with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

          • zonilo1 .

            If you are a feminist like you claim to be (or maybe you’re in self denial) then I think you either need better critical thinking skills not be easily swayed by everything you watch because the video you posted is not evidence but yet another biased attack on Zoe.

            Youtube university is not the best universities to be ‘graduated’ from.

          • Ruth

            How is not evidence? It’s people actually analyzing the chatlogs. “Easily swayed by everything I read”? You’re the one who unquestionably bought into a media narrative that’s obviously overly simplified. I don’t blame you, I did too. It’s easy to buy into societal norms about gender and who is the victim but as a feminist I try not to do this. If you’d actually watch it, you’d see it’s not biased at all, it’s showing actual abuse. Is it so hard to believe that a woman could be an abuser? This video is by a trans abuse awareness activist. Hardly Glenn Beck.

          • zonilo1 .

            I think it’s quite simple to ignore reality you know.

          • Ruth

            You’re just making baseless accusations. I’ve given you actual evidence and you’re just ignoring it because you can’t deal with the cognitive dissonance that maybe Zoe is actually an abuser and you’ve been tearing down someone who is a victim of abuse and supporting an abuser.

  • http://www.plannedallalong.blogspot.com Nicolas

    GamerGaters are monsters, plain and simple. So is Gjoni. They prefer the suppositions and claims made by one angry ex than listening to facts coming from a woman.

    • Ruth

      It would be really easy and convenient if it were that simple, wouldn’t it? Except that the only evidence given has been from Gjoni and it shows how abusive Zoe is. Don’t buy into the obviously overly simplistic and biased media narrative. You’re victim blaming someone who’s been abused and calling him a monster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

      • GP

        My favourite is that you guys keep taking the word of a guy who wrote a calculated diatribe in order to market it to the widest possible of people he knew didn’t like his ex because woman+game designer. And like, pretending that is okay because…?

      • http://www.plannedallalong.blogspot.com Nicolas

        I have no reason to watch this video. This is more biased and ridiculous than Glenn Beck.

        • Ruth

          Are you kidding me? This video is by a trans abuse awareness activist. Since when has not looking at evidence ever been an acceptable thing to do when forming an opinion. What’s wrong with you?

          • GP

            “Trans abuse awareness activist” = code for 100% honest? Cause if they’re creating over 6 hours of video about why the victim of an abusive man is actually the abuser cause the man said so I think they’re doing advocacy wrong.

          • Ruth

            It’s not based on any say so. It’s based on the chatlogs provided in the ZP. You have no evidence that he’s an abuser and all the evidence that she is and you still won’t believe it? I’m sorry the cognitive dissonance of a man being a victim of abuse is too much for you. I sincerely hope you can break out of society’s programmed version of gender roles.

          • GP

            Hey Epson V11H610140: a man isn’t a victim of abuse because his girlfriend breaks up with him and has sex with people.

            Sorry the cognitive dissonance of a man not being 100% right is too much for you.

          • Hugh

            Is a man a victim of abuse when his girlfriend cheats on him and when confronted, tries to redirect and make it be HIS fault that her indiscretions happened in the first place? Because that’s kind of what happened. o_o;

          • ReallyNotThough

            First- that’s what an abuser said happened, not what is proven to have happened.

            Second, how would that justify Eron ruining her, and several other women’s, lives?

          • Ruth

            You’re right. He’s a victim of abuse because she lied to cover up previous lies and tried to make him feel crazy for doubting her, got mad at him for seeing a friend who she thought might hit on him, demanded he see no one else even though they weren’t dating, and then broke all the rules she made him follow. This has nothing to do with cheating.

          • GP

            Well, I guess if you believe that it totally merits creating a hate mob and ruining her life (and the lives of multiple other women.)
            https://twitter.com/alexlifschitz/status/593308540183257088

          • Ruth

            Uh no? Just because I think we need to stop supporting an abuser doesn’t mean I think they should be harassed. I also don’t think someone being harassed means we should support them even though they’re an abuser.

          • GP

            If you want to stop supporting abusers why are you here fighting for Eron, exactly?

          • Ruth

            Because he isn’t an abuser. He is the victim of abuse and it makes me sick to see feminists like me ignore it simply because he’s a man and its easier for them to believe Zoe.

          • GP

            It is important to stand up for male victims of abuse, I get it. But he’s not one of them. It’s unfortunate that you feel his reaction to getting dumped is worth all the pain and trauma he’s caused. Good luck with that, etc.

          • Ruth

            If you actually look at the chatlogs it is very clear that he is a victim of abuse. I will post this again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

          • ReallyNotThough

            If that’s your opinion, sure. Doesn’t make his abuse alright.

            Here he is insulting her weight and encouraging her harassers: http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/09/08/zoe-quinns-screenshots-of-4chans-dirty-tricks-were-just-the-appetizer-heres-the-first-course-of-the-dinner-directly-from-the-irc-log/

          • Ruth

            Where’s Eron in any of this? And I’m already suspicious of this article because it’s talking about them swapping her nude pics. All her nude pics were porn pictures she took when she was doing soft-core porn under the name Locke Valentine.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Scroll down.

            Aug 25 00.03.04 she is heavier than people I usually date. …

            “All her nude pics were porn pictures she took when she was doing soft-core porn”

            And you don’t see anything wrong with encouraging people who want to rape your ex from passing nude pics that they stole?

          • Ruth

            He never encouraged them. And that’s hardly an insult lol. You’re really scraping for evidence here.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He never encouraged them.”

            What would you call giving the very people harassing and threatening Zoe and her friends more information about her friends?

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/giving-them-more-info.jpg

          • Ruth

            In the chatlogs Maya’s name isn’t censored. this wasn’t new information. This is really getting ridiculous.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then why did he say it was?

          • Ruth

            I don’t know, but I know that was one of the names mentioned in the ZP cause I’ve read that. And that’s not evidence of any of the stuff you’ve been talking about. Read Kazerad’s post. It’s better written and doesn’t take shit out of context like idelletante.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha I did read Kazerad’s post, and looks like Kazerad also bleieves that stalking and abusing your ex can be for her own good.

            I don’t. Not sure what else to tell you.

          • GP

            I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t think his response was incredibly abusive and evil. Good luck, etc.

          • Ruth

            If you think about his response from a utilitarian standpoint, it’s clearly the right thing to do.

          • GP

            I don’t. Because I’m a human being and not a Victorian theoretical framework.

          • Ruth

            Was it a mastermind evil thing to do when Woody Allen’s daughter came out talking about her abuse? And utilitarianism came before the Victorian Era if I remember correctly.

          • GP

            You’re right. It came about 20 or so years before but it hit it’s peak during.

            And you’re messed up as hell to compare a little girl who was sexually assaulted to a guy who claims his girlfriend cheated on him. Get your head straight and don’t speak to me again.

          • Ruth

            It’s not messed up to compare different types of abuse. And if you don’t want to speak to me don’t respond. Get your head straight and actually look at facts and think about things before tearing down a victim of abuse.

          • GP

            No, it’s messed up to say that what Eron “went through” is abuse and then compare it to Dylan Farrow’s assault. Her having to see Allen’s face, films, friends, everywhere.

            You are really sick and you need to go away. Just respect my request and stop talking to me.

          • Reggie Anderson

            No beard but this might be a case for “Airport’s law.”

          • Ruth

            Totally confused.

          • Reggie Anderson

            It seems to be a bit of an in-joke whereas a man with what looks to be standing up against gamergate so as to gain the attention of his “m’lady.”

            Though the actual phrase is far more mature and even less flattering it seems to point to the whole idea that some men feel the need to engage in the sexist behaviour that is “white knighting” for a “Damsel” so as to curry their favour. It’s based in sexist/chauvinistic attitudes because it insinuates that women need a man to defend them from even harsh or critical words online. This is what’s called “Benevolent sexism.” or, more accurately (since I can be a bit of a stickler for proper terms sometimes) “Benevolent Chauvinism.”

      • Tamagotchya

        YOU KNOW I’VE IMAGINED US TOGETHER LIKE THIS BUT YOU’RE TO BUSY WITH YOUR GOSH DARN PONG AND THE ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC.

    • zonilo1 .

      Because society is socially conditioned to believe a man than a woman because we clearly live in a society where kryachy (patriarchy is one of them) is institutionalized and predominated.

      • Ruth

        Except that obviously pretty much everyone believes her except for the people who have ACTUALLY looked into it. Have you seen one major article come out in his favor? How about all the interviews and protective articles from liberal media about Zoe? Your claims are laughable. I’m a feminist and you should realize gender roles make it so that people are more likely to believe a woman is a victim and not a perpetrator and that a man is always the perpetrator and not the victim.

        • GP

          “Actually looked into it” =/= GG. I’ve been asking for quotes and links up and down this messageboard and no one has provided anything except that same videos your “trans activist” friend made.

          • Ruth

            What’s wrong with those videos? And what other evidence would you like? Also what evidence do you have in your favor other than obviously biased and one sided media articles with no citations?

          • GP

            See, that’s the fun thing: you only have his word that his stuff is real and includes all the context. Here’s a quote from the ZoePost (it’s my fave) where Eron says Zoe is “rebounding” you know, like after a breakup, and not cheating.

            And isn’t it pretty abusive to repeatedly tell your partner that you can’t really love them and expect them to stay in a relationship with you? Cause that’s something Zoe mentions that no one brings up.

            https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11141778_569341958212_8940393765190584385_n.jpg?oh=a922934dc7a8379e1d564e673c323226&oe=559A0338&__gda__=1436233581_6bf377c761c857ededfbef260117d013

          • Ruth

            Actually there’s a youtube video where he proves that they aren’t doctored but I cannot find it right now. I can post is later if you like. Do you really believe he’d doctor like 7 pages worth of chatlogs? Also, what he said was something to the effect of “I’ve never loved anyone before and I don’t know if I’m capable of it” and it wasn’t a repeated thing. She’s basically holding it against him that he is somewhat schizoidal How is that abusive? And no, expecting them to still be in a relationship with you is not abusive. If you think that’s abuse, you don’t know what abuse is. She had every ability to leave the relationship. What’s abusive is cheating on someone repeatedly, making them think they are crazy for doubting you, guilting you out of seeing a friend because they think that person might hit on you, telling them they aren’t allowed to see anyone even though you aren’t dating and then sleeping with a bunch of other people, and lying to cover up previous lies.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh snap a youtube video, it’s not like the entirety of GG was started on unsourced youtube videos full of lies or anything.

            “cheating”

            Again, sleeping with someone while on a break is not cheating by most reasonable definitions.

            Encouraging hundreds of people to stalk and harass your ex is abuse, though.

          • Ruth

            He actually tried to get them to stop. Look at his IRB ama. And if you actually read the ZP you’d see that it wasn’t just when they were on a break. You’d also see that during this time she demanded he see no one else. That’s just the tip of the iceberg in terms of her abuse. I don’t give a shit about GG. What I give a shit about is other feminists protecting an abuser simply because they have a hard time dealing with the fact that a woman can be an abuser. It’s ironic see as our entire ideology is based on not buying into gender roles.

          • GP

            Hold on to your butts lady cause here it comes:
            I don’t trust the words of people who are abusive, and write manifestos in order to get someone abused.

            I think he would make stuff up, or in the very least omit things and take them out of context. But just ignore the post I made. He’s just a precious angel, doing better with the ladies than ever.

          • Ruth

            What has he done that’s abusive? The evidence we actually have show that SHE’S abusive. Calling someone out on their shitty behavior is not abusive. It’s actually part of call out culture of which Zoe is a part of. If you actually read the Zoepost you will see that he gives lots of context and provides ample evidence. You think he would make stuff up because you’ve bought into a media narrative that’s obviously oversimplified and biased. Think outside the box.

          • GP

            ….Is it because you think they need to be in a relationship for it to count as abuse?

            If you can’t see workshopping a narrative, working behind the scenes to stir hatred and then crying when people don’t like you as normal and not abusive I don’t know what to tell you.

          • Ruth

            What are you even talking about? I’ve given you examples of her abuse and you’ve given me none of his. Your making assertions and you haven’t even looked at the evidence. Everything Eron’s accused her of is verifiable. Who’s crying? The guy takes the whole thing as a joke because he can see how ridiculous the media is being and how much they like to take things out of context to fit this one narrative.

          • GP

            The entire ZoePost. Like, it was a calculated move. He workshopped it, he admitted he wrote it to get people angry at her. ???

          • Ruth

            It is not abusive to call someone out on their shitty behavior and give evidence of it. He admitted he wrote it to get views because he wanted to warn people about her.

          • GP

            No it’s not. It’s abusive to lie about it, craft a particular narrative and style in order to get the maximum negative effect among people you know hate the subject of your screed and then help them effectively harass her and find excuses for that harassment.

            You’re new around Gamergate, aren’t you?

          • Ruth

            No I’m not. I’ve actually been deeply involved for months. And He didn’t like about anything. He wanted the warn the most people. It’s a narrative but it’s all verifiable. Did you fault the guys who exposed Watergate for wanting to reach the most people?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “What has he done that’s abusive?”

            1. Congratulated burgersandfries for harassing and stalking her.
            2. Repeatedly insulted her weight.
            3. Repeatedly insulted her intelligence.
            4. Repeatedly violated his restraining order.
            5. Told people where she lives.
            6. Told people how best to hurt her.
            7. Told people her real name.
            8. Blamed her for the other women’s lives that GG ruined.

          • Ruth

            Give me evidence of him doing any of that. Literally none of that is true except for arguably the restraining order if you count talking about gamergate as violating a restraining order.

          • ReallyNotThough

            http://idledillettante.com/2014/12/06/eron-gjoni-hateful-boyfriend/

            “you count talking about gamergate as violating a restraining order.”

            Turns out the courts do.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, media articles actually check facts.

            GG videos are still saying that Quinn traded sex for reviews, because it’s a lie that makes y’all feel good.

            See why one is more reliable than the other?

          • Ruth

            Lol no they don’t. Take the UVA article for one. Also media outets will omit information if it suits their frame of the issue. That’s mostly what this guy does. GG has some problems, but I’m not from GG and neither is the guy who made the video I posted.

          • GP

            Gosh, and look what happened to Rolling Stone for not checking facts? Credibility shot to hell.

            “GG has some problems” It is a problem created with the help of a deeply creepy man.

            “I’m not from GG and neither is the guy who made the video I posted.” You’re just a fan of their work. Gotcha.

          • Ruth

            No? When did I ever support harassment? You’re totally derailing this. No one wants to actually report the facts here. They want to go with the media narrative. Obviously the reason Eron did this interview was because they guy gave him the impression he’d do an honesr piece on it. Here’s the beginning of his rebuttal and it already shows a lot of inaccuracies with this article. http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

          • GP

            You’re supporting Eron? It’s bonkers that you have no ability to see that he’s admitted masterminding this, he knows the profound negative effect it has had on women in the industry and he repeatedly says it was worth it and for the best.

            https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/526380064238477312

            http://www.themarysue.com/eron-gjoni-gamergate-interview/

          • Ruth

            It’s not like gamergate made people hate women in the gaming industry more. The problem was already there. The post wasn’t even about the gaming industry or women, just Zoe and her shitty behavior. He says it’s for the best because now people know that she’s an incredibly destructive person and not to support her as an advocate.

          • GP
          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, but it did focus that hatred on Quinn. Hmm, wonder which abusive ex might have been supporting that?

          • Ruth

            He didn’t support hatred of her he supported distrust. You’re calling him abusive and you still haven’t shown any evidence of abuse.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then why did he say that the movement that was threatening to rape her was appropriate?

          • Ruth

            When did he say that?

          • ReallyNotThough
          • Ruth

            That’s not saying he supports rape threats! Are you kidding me? He’s saying the issue got as much coverage as he wanted. Wow you’re making jumps here.

          • ReallyNotThough

            He supported the people making the rape threats. He gave them additional information, told them to pretend to be about ethics, and said they were doing great work in the correct proportion.

            Not sure how this is complicated.

          • Ruth

            He didn’t do any of that lol. You’ve given zero evidence of any of that.

          • ReallyNotThough
          • Ruth

            that wasn’t new information! And that’s hardly egging them on or revealing information that would hurt anyone. Good god you are struggling.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then why reveal information to a mob of harrassers at all? Why not do literally anything else with his time?

        • Tamagotchya

          Here at the negaverse we really loooooooove yooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu7.
          Do you have time for cake and teeeaaaa@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

          • Reggie Anderson

            It’s precisely this sort of behaviour that spurs them on.

            So, I hope you’re okay with the realization that you’re encouraging people who have been painted as the “worst harassers ever” to continue their supposed “assault” on Ms. Quinn with your trolling.

      • Woody

        That sort of mong like thinking lead to scandals like UVA.

        • GP

          I’m pretty sure shoddy journalism and one liar led to that one, but sure. I mean, I just read the summary of the Columbia report and not the entire thing.

          Fun thing about this is that a lot of it has been happening in public, on forums, on Twitter for everyone to see.

          • Norm Hull

            Plus the media admitted they were wrong on UVA. Gamergate won’t admit to being wrong on anything. Even threats against people are turned into theories that the person they happen to hate made it all up. People with “proof” of the forged threats and also experience in gaming and web design/photoshop further their narrative on the world, and they take that over actual evidence.

          • GP

            Yup, they shat the bed, they said “We shat the bed and fucked it up for future victims that come forward.”

            I mean, they should have fired people, but that’s splitting hairs if we’re comparing Gamergate accountability to RS’s.

      • Norm Hull

        those concepts are too deep for the average internet commenteer. Conclusions will be jumped to. Strawmen will be built, then beat down. Personal experiences and having not oppressed anyone directly will be used as evidence against it happening in the world. False narratives and doublespeak will be their rallying cry.

  • EpicFails

    This dude Eron needs to stop doing interviews for attention. He sucks at it. Everytime he opens his mouth he comes across as a creepy stalker. The funniest part is that he whines about being seen as unglued loser afterwards. Talk about making your own misery. Just say “No” to interviews Eron. Is he hoping for victim bucks for being stupid? Well, whatever he made his choices.

  • PAZ

    So much ethics…

  • Some dude

    Eron is one of the most decent people there is. All he did was use the tool of progressive, social justice advocates: the public shaming. It’s a tool Quinn herself has used multiple times. I mean if he really wanted to damage her he could have given so much more information. But he chose not to. He didn’t give her real name. He didn’t let on that she had just a fews years prior been known as Locke Valentine. He didn’t do all that. He just put information necessary to establish to any reader that Quinn is two things, a hypocrite and a liar. And since then there has been tons more examples of her just being an all around shitty person. I wonder if this reporter had heard of Mallorie Nasrallah and her story. I wonder if he heard about The Fine Young Capitalists and their story. I wonder if he heard about any of these things. Did he bother to look. All he has done is spin the facts to make Eron look like the man that Zoe claimed him to be. And reading the facebook messages and tumblr messages it really really looks like Chelsea was the one who wanted *him* back not the other way around as this article claims. And most of his contact with her at that point was to urge her to get help as she was horribly abusive. And do you for one second expect anyone to believe that Eron a man who you’ve described as skinny could physically abuse Chelsea? She’s so much bigger than him it’s beyond a joke to imagine unless you honestly believe he is David and she is Goliath

    • Tamagotchya

      I like eggs. You like eggs?

    • Tamagotchya

      Here’s your Moon Day gift. I’m sorry it’s not eggs. They were all out at the vegan market.

    • Cat Reid

      “Eron is one of the most decent people there is”
      OK, someone didn’t read the article.

      • Some dude

        I read it. If I didn’t read the article I wouldn’t have any reason to claim that his characterisation as a villain was bordering on libel

        • ReallyNotThough

          Hahaha then give Gjorni money for his little libel lawsuit, I’m sure that’s definitely real and not just going to be used to fight his restraining order.

    • ReallyNotThough

      If you want to convince people that you know who is and isn’t a decent person, you might not want to repeatedly dox someone whilst doing so.

    • Scott Johnson

      One point of contention towards the big women of Anti-Gamergate is publicly reporting the abuse they’ve received and talking about it openly. Many Pros say you don’t do this and keeping it hidden is what should be done because it’s recommended by the police.

      …so why didn’t Eron keep all of this information hidden and prepared for the police? If he had a genuine case of abuse on his hands, why didn’t he go to the law like the pro-side recommends? Because he went public like this, he turned a private in conflict into the giant shit show we have today. He could have had the law more on his side, but he decided to post it for the Internet to be the judges.

      • Some dude

        Psychological abuse makes you a bit of a douche. It’s not a crime. And what pros say is that when you are being harassed online, you don’t make it public because a) it gives the troll what they want b) it gives other people the idea c) it screws up investigations. He doesn’t whine about online harassment but you can bet he gets it. People called his work a bunch

        • Scott Johnson

          So you’re saying it’s okay for him to post the entire history of his relationship and purposely “spice it up” to get more readership. Rather than he could have taken the more adult option to learn from the mistake, or if it was super heinous…take it to the police and file a claim. People called his work because he posted the work online. The trolls came out and replicated his actions because he posted the work online. He had all the control to NOT post it online and he did.

          And your side still blames the opposite side whenever they talk about death threats publicly? Do you see the double-standard? Eron could have avoided everything and could have had a legitimate case of abuse if it were true, but he took the law into his own hands and caused all of this trouble. We have all suffered from this mistake.

  • PAZ

    In what universe a defamation suit is possible when they only transcripted WHAT HE SAID???

    https://twitter.com/eron_gj/status/593038094380728320

    • GP

      I’m lolling pretty hard right now.

      At what point does he understand he did wrong and decent folk are not sympathetic?

    • Cat Reid

      Gamergate employs the lawfirm of Doofus McJuicePants, LLC

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

      “I am going to sue them for printing the things I told them.”

    • Cyberwulf

      He can’t sue now, Gomblrgokers have to give all their change to the Honey Badgers for THEIR lolsuit!

  • Reggie Anderson

    If I were to look at the GameJournosPros data would I find the author of this blog-post listed in there?

    • PAZ

      What blog-post?

      • Reggie Anderson

        This blog post.

        • PAZ

          …I’m sorry are you convinced that this is a blog post..? O_o

          • Woody

            I think the general idea is that things start out as “an article written by a journalist”, then when exposed for corruption, nepotism and outright lying it becomes “just a blog post written by a blogger”.

            Like how Grayson was a “journalist”, got caught with his monkey in Quinns mouth and then suddenly it’s “hey we are just bloggers, we don’t report, we just give personal opinions”.

          • PAZ

            No, I think that Reggie Anderson simply doesn’t know where he is.

          • GP

            You should provide proof of that btw. If you’re gonna keep saying gross bullshit. It’d be nice, you know? Difference change of pace.

          • Woody

            You guys have made the accusations eight months ago with zero evidence.

            Now you ask me for proof. Cheek or what!

            All this media storm about threats and people forced from their homes and yet no one has been charged or convicted.

            Yet you are hitting forums stating that you know who did it.

            Take your evidence to the cops or f**k off tbh. Labelling innocent people won’t help Quinn. It just encourages a backlash.

          • GP

            (Um…who is we?) Also, being a tiny rage baby makes you look unintelligent.

            Like this:

            http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZrHosMDzuhA/TanTn-EqOWI/AAAAAAAAAgk/R76sJUnJKHc/s1600/screen-capture-8.png

            But seriously though. Go get proof that Quinn had sex with these people. I’ll be right here.

          • Woody

            Grayson confessed the relationship to Stephen Totilo (sp) the editor of Kotaku when questioned.

            Kotaku issued an official statement confirming it.

            Every man and their dog knows about that and the statement is still on the Kotaku site.

            You clearly don’t have the IQ of every man or a dog but still you MUST know about that.

            So any one reading this must wonder why you asked me for proof when you know very well where the evidence is and the widespread knowledge of it…

          • GP

            Yet you still haven’t linked it…

          • Woody

            Censors aren’t approving posts.

          • GP

            Gosh, ya. That must be it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, he mentioned that the relationship started 3 months after the list he wrote.

            So yeah, there’s your proof.

          • Woody

            Question was: “Go get proof that Quinn had sex with these people.”

            So you agree that the evidence demonstrates that he did sleep with her?

            As for “when” he “claims” it started, he “claims” it started a few days after he wrote the article about that game jam thing.

            Wow isn’t that amazing! He didn’t sleep with her until just after his last article about her. Wow. Must be true!!!! I totally believe him!!!!

            By the way, what exactly did he do to get his name in the credits of her game…..? When did that happen??! Was it ethical to be reporting on developers and games in which he had such a close involvement?

            I mean it would surely prejudice him against other rival products right? Ethics?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, learn to read.

            Question was “prove that Quinn had sex for coverage”

            “I totally believe him!!!!”

            Then prove he’s lying. I’m not particularly interested in what creepy stalkers who hate Quinn “suppose” about her sex life.

          • Woody

            Posted by “GP” an hour ago (about four posts up):

            “But seriously though. Go get proof that Quinn had sex with these people. I’ll be right here.”

            It is there in black and white, everyone can see the question.

            I provided said proof to the guy and you came along and backed me up.

            Suggest it is you that should learn to read. You are not talking to a typical <50 IQ SJW now, the changing the goal post fallacy ain't going to fly.

            Quinn slept with Grayson. Grayson admitted it to his editor and you have acknowledged it.

            Quinn stated that if you cheat on a partner and withhold that information from them, you are effectively withholding information that impacts on their ability to consent to intercourse with you.

            If you then sleep with your partner you are doing so without consent.

            By her own admission Quinn deliberately had non-consensual intercourse with her partner.

            The big bad "R" word.

            You choose to defend that and victim blame instead.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Definitely a different thread. I’m not GP.

            Also, she had sex with Grayson while on a break in the relationship. Eron called that “cheating.” I wouldn’t.

            I love how you attribute someone else’s words to me and then say I’m “changing the goalpost.”

            Yeah, GG def isn’t a cult that discourages all forms of rational thought, no sir.

          • ReallyNotThough

            My bad, I confused the threads.

          • GP

            (Did I miss the proof? I don’t see it anywhere. Starting to feel like a real dumb-dumb…)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, I am pretty sure that Grayson did talk about having a sexual relationship with her while Eron and her were on a break.

          • GP

            Is that supposed to be the proof though? They can’t even cite that, so I’m kinda confused.

          • Woody

            Mods are censoring comments.

            Typical SJW echo chamber.

            SJW: “Give me proof”.

            Normal person: “here is your proof”

            (mods delete it)

            SJW: “Hmm still waiting for proof, obviously doesn’t exist”.

          • GP

            I’m sorry, there are too many comments going up too fast, buckeroo. Or else I might be tempted to think you’re not a lazy thinker making up fibs and tall tales.

          • Woody

            I will try again and hopefully circumvent the moderators.

            Google “Kotaku Grayson statement”.

            Top of the search list. Can you handle that? Do you want me to call your mom to help you?

          • GP

            Yup, call my mom. While she’s there, you an talk to her about the conspiracy of silence against you on a message board. She’s really nice so she’ll probably listen.

          • Woody

            So from that I assume you do not know how to google that search phrase and click on the top link?

          • GP

            From what you assume I’m not gonna wade through a bunch of screen-capped, MS paint red paint covered BS. People having been posting links left and right, no problem. GG and reasonable humans. So what’s your prob?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha yes Boston Magazine is def for real controlled by SJWs. Also, moon people, tho.

          • GP

            Is he talking to me through you? Does he get that we’ve never met in public or online?…

            Do you want to start a conspiracy (to the tune of “Do You Want to Build a Snowman”)

          • Woody

            Jesus Christ do you guys know how to use forums?

            At the top of each post there is an arrow showing who the person is replying to.

            Seriously, stop studying gender studies and do some computer science field instead.

          • Woody

            My comment was awaiting approval and the mods didn’t approve it.

            Your friend and ally “ReallyNotThough” has clearly seen the proof and admits she slept with him though so speak to him.

          • Woody

            It is this thread and I am talking to GP.

            Do you know how to use a PC? That wheel on your mouse, scroll it forwards. You will see.

            I don’t know or care what you are doing here. You are butting in to our conversation and I am talking to him not you.

            Start a new thread if you wish to discuss something else. Learn how to use an internet.

            Send some of your SJW mates who are better at this sort of thing because you are an amateur who is only embarrassing them.

            SJW’s called that cheating by the way. They call it violent non-consensual intercourse because you have withheld information that would impact on their decision over consent and could there by expose them to disease.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “SJW’s called that cheating by the way.”

            Some might. I wouldn’t. To me, if you’re on a break, relationship rules don’t apply. That’s kind of the point.

          • GP

            …Where is this proof btw? I really don’t understand why you keep repeating this stuff like it’s fact and acting like you’re giving me primary sources.

        • Cat Reid

          this is the online version of a printed publication, Boston MAGAZINE.

          • GP

            Shhh…You’ll get caught in a mobius strip of idiocy and have to explain what “magazines” and “printing presses” are to a relentless mob of confused webizens.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Also, no.

      GameJournosPros was, like, a real thing you can look up, not a catch-all explanation for why facts don’t seem to support your hate movement.

      • Reggie Anderson

        It’s only a hate-movement if you believe everything you read and abandon skepticism and critical thought.

        • ReallyNotThough

          It’s funny how this talking point gets copied and pasted whenever GG can’t deny that the “scandal” was entirely made up and just an extension of a domestic abuser’s campaign against his ex.

  • Austin

    This article made me throw up in my mouth. Supporters of Zoey Quinn and the like tend to do that to the rest of the sane population that refuses to take seriously and/or be victimized by Third Wave Feminazism.

  • notorioushmr

    Gjoni and his thugs are disgusting. He deserves to go to prison for this.

    • Hugh

      He got cheated on by his girlfriend and vented to the internet. The internet literally did everything else. While the harassment she received was absolutely terrible, she’s still kind of a piece of shit. And he was well within his right to bitch her out in public, just like any girl would be if a guy cheated on her.

      • GP

        …Did you miss the part where he’s admitted in public to carefully crafting a hit piece over the course of several months?

        Or the part where he claims she cheated on him and yet no one can provide a quote where Quinn says she cheated on him?

        And he says stuff like this?

        • Some dude

          He didn’t craft a hit piece over the course of several months. He kept a record of all his conversations with her because she had a habit of lying and he wanted to be able to call her out on every lie. For good reason because right until the very end the lies never ended

          • GP

            No, no crafting. He didn’t get almost a dozen people to read it, proof it, give feedback.

            You know, workshop it like he was in a Creative Lit class. No crafting.

          • Some dude

            It’s the several months part I call into question it was out within 3 weeks of their break up. His goal was to damage her name and in order to do that it had to read well. And if you don’t believe she needs her name damaged then you haven’t been paying attention. When she decided to fire the cannons at Wizard chan she was able to rally support in seconds. When she wanted to make it so that nobody would listen to TFYC she was able to make it so. Now that she wants to make Eron the villain look at you here fighting her battles.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get that the reason no-one listened to TFYC is because it’s a scam, right?

            Don’t shoot the messenger.

            Also, how exactly would that justify all the lies that have been told about Quinn? If she’s so awful, why do you need the “sex for reviews” line of BS?

          • GP

            Dude, it’s all on the internet, in public, out in the open.

            TFYC is shit, continues to be shit. She didn’t ddos them or make a call to arms. She didn’t bully and ENTIRE message board.

            You guys are so desperate to be victims you can’t just back away from this. You have to create a story where not only has she abused a good man, but she’s abusing lots of good men.

      • notorioushmr

        “The internet” is not a prescient entity. The internet is made up of people. Gjoni made a calculated and manipulative effort to ruin her life, and sad saps like him/wanting to be like him took the bait.

        “The internet” didn’t do shit.

        • Hugh

          He wanted to be able to call her out on her bullshit. And to do it publically. Personally, I see no problem in this. She cheated on him. If a person backstabs in a relationship, the victim is well within their right to blast their ex in public. These rules have never changed.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Do you see a problem with him telling channers where she lives, congratulating them on harassing her, and suggesting they cover it all by saying they’re about ethics?

          • Hugh

            I see a problem with that occurring, yes. If that did occur, then that’s bullshit. But 4chan is a slippery place where anonymity reigns supreme. Trying to prove an identity on that website is like trying to catch smoke with your hands.

          • ReallyNotThough

            It did. Look up the burgersandfries chatlogs.

            “Trying to prove an identity on that website”

            It was with channers, but it was over IRC. The channel admin verified Gjorni’s identity. He has also publicly said he ran GG behind the scenes.

          • Hugh

            Got a link?

          • ReallyNotThough
          • notorioushmr

            This isn’t a “rule” or a “right”. The excuse “But she hit me first!” is not one that works with pre-school children and it certainly doesn’t work with adults.

            Grow up. So she cheated on him–now they’re not together anymore. The relationship is now over because it did not work. There is no further necessary recourse.

      • Sadachbia

        Except she DIDN’T cheat. And even if she did, this kind of vitriol is not appropriate.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Yeah, far as I know, the only “cheating” was while she and Eron were on a break, and being an abusive and horrid little man, Eron decided that counted.

          • Hugh

            3 were during the break. 2 were not. This is entirely held within the original Zoe post, with chat logs to back it up. This is legitimately proven, at this point. How do you not already know this? o_O;

          • ReallyNotThough

            And only 1 has been verified to actually have happened.

            “This is entirely held within the original Zoe post, with chat logs to back it up.”

            Oh, well, if a post made by an abusive stalker says something about the stalking target, it MUST be true, right?

          • Hugh

            See, you just admitted to cheating in a relationship to have taken place.

            So how was he not justified in making the post?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I admitted to having sex on a break taking place.

            Eron calls it cheating, because he’s a creepy stalker. I’m not, so I don’t.

            And he still wouldn’t be justified in launching a stalking campaign.

            If Zoe hurt him, the healthy and sane thing to do is to move on, not try to stalk and harass her by proxy and violate the restraining order.

          • Hugh

            See, if he called for the “break”, I wouldn’t call it cheating. He didn’t. She did. Even if you don’t call that cheating (I do), it’s still pretty shitty.

            And just from the chat logs, it’s clear that she fucked other folk. And it’s perfectly healthy to air out one’s grievances in a medium of one’s choice. He documented everything because he wanted to be able to back up what he was saying to her. And it worked better to put in the initial post as proof.

            Regardless of his actions afterwards, the one thing I remain resolute on is this: He was perfectly within his right to make the original zoe post. And Zoe’s kind of a shitty person (I don’t condone harassment though).

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He didn’t. She did.”

            Yes, and that’s still a break. It’s not a discussion that needs to be a unanimous vote.

            “it’s still pretty shitty.”

            Then he should have broken up with her, instead of stalking her for 8 months.

            “And just from the chat logs, it’s clear that she fucked other folk.”

            Well, if the logs edited and posted by an abusive stalker say something about the stalking target, they MUST be true!

            “And it’s perfectly healthy to air out one’s grievances in a medium of one’s choice.”

            Is it healthy to call for a mass harassment campaign to drive your ex into therapy?

      • how2falseequivalency

        Yeah, just like if you go into a movie theater and yell “fire” when there isn’t one and someone gets trampled to death during the ensuing chaos, it’s totally the crowd’s fault and you have no culpability whatsoever. Because actions don’t have consequences, that’s just absurd.

        We also definitely don’t live in some kind of society with stupid notions like human rights or that even ‘piece of shit’ people deserve to not live in constant terror for their life. I mean, what kind of ludicrous post-Enlightenment claptrap is that?!?

  • Mackenzie B. Morris

    Oh my god can we stop giving this intolerable creepy piece of shit exactly the attention he fucking craves.
    As soon as I read “possessed of a boyish face” I wanted to throw up all over the writer of this article

    • Harrison Jaegermeister

      IF you want to share this but dont want to give them clicks for attention, share this https://archive.is/Pfeat their clicks & views will not count because it’s archived.

  • Austin

    Wiped it’s butt with the truth that led to gamergate, supports the misogyny false narrative put forward by third wave feminism.

    , routinely receives misogynistic threats from strangers.= ‘mean tweets that disagree with everything i say”

    • GP

      …There are actual quotes from him saying he’s doing things “behind the scenes” and giving suggestions. They’ve been available for months. I think some are in the article, you should go read it.

    • Cat Reid

      “supports the misogyny false narrative put forward by third wave feminism”
      This doesn’t make gamergate seem like a consumer revolt for ethics, you realize?

    • ReallyNotThough

      “Eron has coached this mob multiple times, = false”

      This line would be more convincing if you could explain why Eron was lying every time he said that he did coach the mob multiple times.

      “Quinn got a free pass to not get criticism from the industry she works in.”

      This page is full of “criticism.” It’s not Quinn’s fault that the criticism is all sexist BS.

    • Nicolae Carpathia

      Eron has coached this mob multiple times, = false

      He’s openly admitted to doing that, genius.

    • Cyberwulf

      I love how this dumbass whines about someone having a “free pass to not get criticism” when Gomblrgok’s whole mission statement is CRITICISM IS BAAAAD DOWN WITH CRITICISM OF OUR BELOVED VIDYA IT’S CENSORHIP

      you realise that reviews of anything are by their nature subjective and 100% one person’s opinion right

      you do understand that right

      do you think that video game journalists are making you a solemn promise when they say “this game is 10/10 buy it”

      are you that fucking stupid that you believe that

  • PAZ

    Eron Responds: His side of the interview

    https://archive.is/1ZBbC

    • GP

      “I did not tell Zak I would probably violate my gag order if I talked to him, I told him someone overly eager to make that case, might try to make that case, if he went on to publish what I’d said. But, an in-person conversation would be fine….I tell Zak that I am uneasy about doing this. I tell him, I am willing to talk to him and answer any questions he has for me, but that it would have to be off the record, as I do not wish to run the risk of complicating matters with my gag order. ”

      So…you didn’t tell him the thing you told him?

      • Norm Hull

        This guy is a saint! and a genius! his logic is truly sound and has no holes in it at all!

        • GP

          He’s really an Everyman, you know?

          • Norm Hull

            I could have a beer with this man, and discuss our dream of ethics in gaming journalism, and using women as a shield to prove we’re not sexist by using a hashtag #notyourshield

          • GP

            Nope, women, POC, people with disabilities are not never his shield. (?)

            No wait, that sounds right.

    • GP

      “How he could possibly make an honest story of my relationship worthy of entry into an official publication for general audiences.”

    • ReallyNotThough

      Why would we doubt the word of someone who thinks Zoe Quinn is responsible for all his actions, and for Gamergate in general?

      https://twitter.com/alexlifschitz/status/593308540183257088

      Seems like a dude on the straight and narrow with a very clear understanding of reality and personal responsibility.

  • NastyNinja

    So…long story short, Zoe isn’t a whore who cheated on her boyfriend 5+ times and used her vagina to get her game praised. She didn’t rape her boyfriend (rape by fraud), and she never did anything to damage the careers of other female game devs. She is an abused woman *single tear drop

    *violin music plays*

    • GP

      You get it. We’re really proud of you for moving away from the false narratives and calculated misrepresentations and understanding what actually occurred.

      • NastyNinja

        I know, right?! Next, I really want to make sure everyone knows how damaging video games can be to a person’s psyche. They need to know that games can also make people rape and murder. Plus we really just NEED radical feminists to tell writers what kind of stories and characters they should create. Freedom of speech is so overrated when our safety should be the primary concern, riiiight?

        • GP

          Freow! You’re on your own on that one buddy. I think you might be projecting a little bit.

          But good luck, best wishes.

        • Cat Reid

          This does not make your gamergate movement seem like it is comprised of rational people who actually should be listened to…

          • NastyNinja

            What do you mean? I’m not a gg supporter. I hate logic! I’m with you guys!

        • ReallyNotThough

          Do you ever feel that, in a real movement, the positions of your enemies would be real and not made up?

        • Rick Stevens

          Why criticism is equated to the antithesis of freedom of speech is beyond me. Seems if you believe in the protected freedom for exchange, there is plenty of room for someone to criticize something and someone else to respond.

    • ReallyNotThough

      ” and used her vagina to get her game praised”

      I mean, yeah, you’re right, this actually never happened. In fact, it was debunked 8 months ago.

      • NastyNinja
        • ReallyNotThough

          Hmm…

          Quinn had a relationship with Grayson three months after he wrote about her game.

          Should Grayson have gone back in time and not written about her game?

          I think games journalism typically does not have time machines.

          • NastyNinja

            Responding before you even check the link makes you look like a dummy. Not 3 months later…but at least you admit to the relationship at all! Baby steps…

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? Your link is a google page, I’m not going to read through hundreds of results to find out what you’re talking about.

            Look, if there was any proof at all that they were sleeping together while Grayson was writing about her, don’t you think that your 8 month stalking campaign would have found it?

          • NastyNinja

            When I click it takes me right to it….

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, it takes you to a list of hundreds of unsourced MS Paint images that look like the conspiracy shed in A Beautiful Mind.

            Again, if there’s actual proof, you would have it by now.

          • GP

            There has been some really funny comparisons on this thread. My fave one so far is “like grabbing fistfuls of cranberries out of a cranberry bog” but I really love “conspiracy shed” too.

          • NastyNinja

            You like grabbing fistfuls of berries. Sounds about right.

          • GP

            Berry Crusher was my nickname in grade school.

          • Rick Stevens

            But even these assembled pieces of interpersonal and mass media posts turn on the supposition that “making out” is equivalent to “starting a relationship.” I don’t think everyone equates the two, and the supposition is that a particular individual equates the two.

            Plus, the graphics seems to be that she says at that point made out, not that they slept together (the actual accusation being leveled).

            This is the kind of slippage of rhetoric, when combined with the crowing that makes it hard to hear what the actual concerns as stated are, btw.

          • GP

            (Ask him to quote the line that mention’s Zoe’s game. That’s my fave part.)

          • Norm Hull

            also major video game developers do that all the time. like literally pay for a good review. Before the game comes out. But no lets waste time on destroying one independent game developer who released one slightly successful game.

          • ReallyNotThough

            One slightly successful *free non-profit* game, at that.

          • GP

            Seriously! I don’t think she’s made more than a couple of thousand dollars since she released it? After the mass-downvote campaign it probably got more attention than it would have. But that’s like, indie-dev insider conspiracy stuff, obvi.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m not sure she’s made a cent. Far as I know, it was always free online, and the Steam version had a suggested price during Greenlight but was released for free.

            I could be wrong, though.

          • GP

            I think I read somewhere about 6 months ago that she made under $2K and gave a percentage of that to a couple of mental health charities? I could also be way off. I’d have to get into the way-back machine and I’m too lazy (which would explain why I’m still here, poking bears.)

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, that’s probably right, I wasn’t following it at the time.

    • Eagleeye595

      Oh no she is, and she is a lucky one, see i am an Albanian as well, and i know all too well what would have happened to ZQ had she done this to him in say Kosovo, or Albania, or anywhere that’s not north america. She’d have been buried alive while still breathing. And by this of course i mean cheating.

      • ReallyNotThough

        If that’s the best defense you have for Eron’s abuse, good lord, GG is in some trouble.

        • Eagleeye595

          That’s not defending anyone, it’s reality check.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, so you admit that Eron’s abuse was messed up, right?

          • Eagleeye595

            To be honest just like you i require proof about everything, and as far as i have seen both have done their fair share, one is a professional victim (ZQ) the other a guy who fell in love with the wrong woman. So i don’t really know who is truly abusing who, but if you were asking me to judge based on what the media calls “PROOF” then yes i agree.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “So i don’t really know who is truly abusing who”

            Probably the one who openly talks about encouraging an army of stalkers to go after the other, just a thought.

            “based on what the media calls “PROOF” then yes i agree.”

            Trust me, that standard is a hell of a lot higher than the conspiracy shed word salad that GG calls “proof.”

          • Eagleeye595

            Here is something neither you nor ZQ can deny, GG has made her famous, rich and even as ugly as she is (for me at least) made her look good and important. She makes 4166$ a month thanks to her professional victim card, you however are free to continue believing she is a poor defenseless little woman. While in truth who she really is, is a monster, a bully and someone who takes pleasure in humiliating other people of camera, and on twitter. I’m not here to defend Gjoni, in fact i am disgusted by his behavior, and his choice of “woman? to love” I am however here to say that neither side has anything to do with GG anymore, Quinn however thrives when GG allegedly harasses her, and here is your proof. https://www.patreon.com/zoe take care, and i’m glad there are still people who use logic to reason.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “rich”

            Nope, not unless you have a radically different definition of “rich” than most people.

            “She makes 4166$ a month thanks to her professional victim card,”

            And spends tons of it financing Crash Override out of her own pocket.

            As for fame, when “fame” means having dozens of people call you a whore and threaten to rape you every day, I don’t blame her for wanting her own life back.

          • GP

            Wow, that totally makes it okay. It’s totally and even trade for her.

            It’s totally okay to insult her appearance because it’s so pertinent to these issues.

          • Woody

            Made you reply though didn’t it. Whilst you were valiantly white knighting over her appearance, you were not fighting against Protein World or the cops in Baltimore!

            Spread too thin buddy! Too many opponents!

          • Woody

            Key point: she makes that money *from* SJW’s.

            SJW’s are being bled dry supporting a large number of dependants now. There is an ever growing list of their members who are relying on patreon donations to pay the bills and all that money is coming from a limited number of people in a small cult.

            Furthermore key figures that they had in influential positions have gone. Kuchera has gone and Leigh “I am games journalism” Alexander is now a tramp sat in the gutter with her cap held out begging for scraps on Twitter.

            They are bogged down in a long drawn out trench war with gamers.

            Gamers are mostly left wing and natural allies of SJW’s but rather than throw Grayson and Totilo to the wolves for what were blatant breaches in ethics, they chose to attack, smear and turn an army of millions against them.

            Not just any army but people who enjoy relentlessly grinding away. People with nothing better to do and who love the challenge.

            What you see now are SJW’s bogged down in this war and also with conflicts on many other fronts (comics, metal, sci-fi, athiest, the fitness community etc).

            They are so weakened and spread so thin that when they went up against Protein World, the company just laughed in their face. The company had no fear of them because of their weakened condition. They are a spent force. They have lost their strength and ability to influence. They are battle weary and their resources are stretched.

            As long as the SJW cult is being ground down and bled dry in a never ending war against gamers, they can’t spread their toxic ideology elsewhere.

            Articles like this one are fantastic, it basically dredges up all the old and dirt and forces SJW’s to commit forces to yet another pointless and worthless posting campaign.

          • GP

            There is no group of SJWs. There is a group called Gamergate that’s given Eron over $13k, though.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “SJW’s are being bled dry”

            Haha speaking for myself, when I contribute to funds, I can afford it and am doing so of my own free will.

            I’d rather support a woman in a tough situation than, say, pull a GG and support frivolous lawsuits for stalkers and MRAs.

          • Woody

            Great keep donating. Everything has an opportunity cost. Once you reach the point where you can’t afford any more you have to stop. You don’t have limitless funds.

            You need to keep paying for these people…well.. until who knows when! I’d rather you gave the money to them for their rent and meals (even though their rich millionaire father BF can cover that) than put it to more effective uses!

            The longer we keep you guys bogged down fighting us, the better. The time you spend here has an opportunity cost. You sit here posting at me and you are not posting about Protein World, wolf whistling etc.

            Even an SJW can’t be in two places at once!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha wow, pro-wolf whistling, your life sounds fulfilling and not sad at all.

          • Woody

            See that is exactly my point!!! Have you not been reading the news? The SJW’s on places like the Guardian are trying to push this wolf whistling every day sexism thing but are getting savagely beaten down!!!

            They don’t have the strength.

            Why?

            Because you aren’t there fighting due to being here white knighting and handing over money to a woman with a millionaire boyfriend! The same thing you have been bogged down in for 8 months!

            It is delicious!

          • ReallyNotThough

            I can’t even imagine how sad your life must be to be this invested in wolf whistling.

          • Woody

            Yeah its sad. I am a gamer.

            I love grinding away at pointless sad activities. That is my hobby.

            However this activity isn’t so pointless. Instead of killing the Lich King or Deathwing, we have ground down the entire social justice warrior cult in an endless worthless war over nothing but a few slappers.

            Meanwhile you are getting your backsides kicked now in every area you try to take ground because we have weakened and spread your energy so thinly.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, games are awesome. Wolf-whistling is sad and stupid.

          • Woody

            Yeah and you could have stopped women being objectified, harassed and intimidated by wolf whistling builders but you are bogged down here instead!!!!!

            How is the SJW “riot shaming” battle going? Oh yeah LOL, you are getting severe beat down and your heads kicked in on the forums and Twitter.

            Why?

            Half of you are still white knighting in an 8 month old trench war with gamers!

            Split resources, fighting battles on half a dozen fronts at the same time!

          • ReallyNotThough

            This is so pathetic. You’re not in a war. Grow up.

          • Woody

            I don’t care whether you call it a war or not. Only SJW nut jobs get wrapped up in semantics.

            All I know is that SJW’s are bogged down on forums talking about pathetic nonsense with me and as a result are getting severely beat down in other areas where they are trying to push their vile toxic ideology.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Grow up.

          • Woody

            No I need to keep you bogged down and away from Protein World, Baltimore, Wolf Whistle-Gate!!!

            So tell me how much money you paid in white-knight tax so far?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Grow up.

          • Woody

            Thanks for your reply.

            WoW look your mates are getting 20 shades of brown beat out of them. Look at the like/dislike ratio on that!

            You are powerless to stop it, your forces are drained.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You are seriously using upvote/downvote ratios on Youtube as a sign of personal value.

            How does a person’s life reach that point?

          • Woody

            Why do you guys upvote eachothers comments on here?

            Oh yeah “because we don’t care about votes”.

            ROFL.

            So yeah butts are being kicked over Protein World and Riot Shaming.

            How much do you donate to Quinn?

            Looking forward to your reply.

          • ReallyNotThough

            To be nice to individual people. We don’t track upvotes on Youtube as a sign that the Glorious Revolution is coming, jfc.

          • Woody

            Oh right you do it to be nice to other people but others don’t?

            I think you will find people do it on Youtube to be nice and show they agree or politely disagree with something.

            Looks like not many people share your views. Looks like you are a small irrelevant cult which is being severely beat down and in full retreat.

            You are bogged down in trench warfare over gaming, donating your wages to millionaires and losing key battles over the objectification of women.

            What exactly are your objectives again!!!!!!!!!!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure, of course. That’s why I don’t build my identity around the relative ratios on videos.

          • Woody

            What about objectification of women? Are you interested in stopping that?

            How is that going?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look at how much agency women had in media in the 80s. Look at how much they have now.

            Bam!

          • Woody

            Look at how well that media is doing versus the 80’s!

            BAM!

            BAM!

            So yeah that woman in a bikini saying that women better look like her because fat women are worthless. What happened there?

            BAM!

            BAM!

            BAM!

          • ReallyNotThough

            “What happened there?”

            Strikes me that a sad attempt to sell protein powder to pathetic losers happened there.

            Not sure how you think youtube likes on a video trying to attract sadsacks to buy products is a sign that male dominance is on the rise, bro.

          • Woody
          • ReallyNotThough

            Me: “I feel good that women characters are better written.”

            You: “I feel good that advertisers still think people like me are pathetic enough to buy products based on boobs and bullying.”

            Good work champ

          • Woody

            Three quarters of Protein Worlds customers are women.

            BAM!

            BAM!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, and women are often pathetic losers who like bullying, not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

          • Woody

            Ooooooooffffffffff

            MISOGYNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, that’s actually not a magic word that means whatever you want it to.

          • Woody

            You just insulted women.

            I don’t do that. I insult specific women AND men who I consider scum. I don’t tar them all.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nor did I. Looks like you’re just planning on being disingenous to waste time though, so bye.

          • Woody

            You: “women are often pathetic losers”

            Me: “Quinn is a liar and a cheat and Grayson is corrupt trash”.

            Subtle difference there.

            One is misogyny, one isn’t.

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misogyny

            I hate *individuals* who are scum. I don’t hate entire demographics and smear them over a single shared characteristic – a hallmark of the disgusting, vile, toxic SJW mob (mob, not a demographic). Finally revealed your true colours.

            BAM champ!

          • Woody

            Three quarters of Protein Worlds customers are women.

            BAM!

            Champ!

            SJW’s: “whine whine cry cry not enough good female and POC characters in games. Look at this new AC game, typical, you can’t play as a woman”.

            Me: “I really enjoyed AC Liberation, have you finished it?”

            SJW’s: “AC what? Anita never told me about this.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha sure, it’s not like every game company and game fandom org thinks GG are a lunatic fringe or anything.

          • Woody

            Yeah I mean CD Projekt didn’t force your friend Chris to make a grovelling apology the other day or anything right.

          • Woody

            75% of Protein Worlds customers are women….

          • Cyberwulf

            Yes, SJWs should give all their pocket money to people who lie to get into conventions and then cry for four and a half hours about being kicked out. And to people who maintain paedophile rings. You know, like sensible gamers.

          • Woody

            Thanks for you reply. Please keep posting in the war against gamers and please keep on donating to damsels.

          • Cyberwulf

            Oh let’s not forget all the money for the Sarkeesian Effect which is sure to be a stunning cinematic masterpiece, given that it’s being made by two guys who can’t even operate a microphone properly. That’s a much more worthwhile cause than fighting online harassment.

          • Woody

            Absolutely.

            When that heap of junk is released, SJW’s will be bogged down in yet another endless grind of white knighting on forums (I will be right there stirring you all up) that at the end of it will achieve absolutely nothing!!!!

            Social justice wouldn’t have made any steps forward. You are just running and standing still and fighting endless battles over inches of mud.

            This is fantastic. We have stopped your toxic ideology in its tracks. Look at you now. Still discussing this worthless garbage.

            How much progress was made since August?! None! We are having the same conversation eight months later right!

            You could have been reducing the 1 in 5 stat but nope you are sat here arguing with kids who play mario brothers!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Cyberwulf

            so you mean you spend literally 100% of your time dicking around on internet sites making stupid comments

            like 100% of your time in just this one comment section

            like the fact you’re posting here is proof that you do absolutely nothing else ever and you’re sitting there in your own liquefied human waste slowly degenerating into a living skeleton and going mad from lack of sleep

          • Woody

            Yeah thats right. I have nothing to better to do.

            If I wasn’t here I’d be playing World of Warcraft and grinding the same garrison quests day after day after day after day after day. Just pressing two buttons for hours on end.

            Instead I can bog you guys down here. Far more fun. I also save £8 a month that instead of giving to Blizzard I can give to honey badgers.

            Then they can drag you lot down in court and I can get you lot bogged down in yet another pointless forum spat over it.

            For me that is fun. I am a gamer. I love wasting my time on never ending grinds!!!! As an added bonus your vile little ideology is stopped dead in its tracks. An endless grind of human wreckage like trench warfare.

            If you weren’t bogged down in this you could have won the Protein World battle. You could have permanently consigned those images of women to the history books.

            Instead I sit here smug knowing that by grinding you down in this nonsense I played my part in your embarrassing retreat in the face of the fitness nuts.

          • EpicFails

            Check out the burgers and fries logs:
            This is just 1 example of what went on there.

            Aug 21 17.48.06 I’m debating whether or not we should just attack zoe …
            Aug 21 17.48.29 push her… push her further….. further, until eventually she an heroes …
            Aug 21 17.48.51 … What makes you think she has the balls to kill herself?
            Aug 21 17.48.57 I kind of want to just make her life irrepairably horrible …
            Aug 21 17.49.16 but what if she suicides …
            Aug 21 17.49.24 Good.
            Aug 21 17.49.29 Then we get to troll #Rememberzoe

          • Eagleeye595

            I’m not pushing anyone anywhere, i am not trolling her personally nor am i harassing her, and if she did kill herself she’d be doing harm only to herself, i wont lose any sleep over it. Welcome to earth 2015, where special snowflakes and their sensitive feelings are not my effin concern.

          • EpicFails

            I have no clue if you directly troll Quinn. Maybe you , maybe you don’t. I do know you are here supporting a dude that served her up to 4chan. But whatever, I get it is not your effing concern how people are treated on the internet. Don’t whine when people start not wanting to be associated with GG and its supporters in RL. They are no special snowflakes either.

      • GP

        Wow, you guys are totally normal and great.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Yeah, I mean, I can’t imagine why conventions don’t want the super fun and happy crowd of GG around, talking up honor killings and making everyone’s experience better.

          • GP

            It really is an inclusive and fun community. Gamers aren’t dead, they’re just busy spreading the love and joy (while other people actually play games.)

          • NastyNinja

            Well, if YOU are the ones playing the games….I guess that makes you responsible for perpetuating all of this sexism and misogyny. Because you buy all the games after all.

          • GP

            You keep saying this weird Jackson Thompson shit. You’re really making the real gamers uncomfortable. I think you should go.

          • NastyNinja

            What shit would that be?

          • GP

            About video games causing violence? Oh wait, it’s Jack Thompson, not Jackson. There you go. Go google. You two seem to have a lot in common.

          • NastyNinja

            I study anita sarkeesian’s work. I think all of the gaming you’ve been doing has affected your impressionable mind. The more you think it doesn’t affect you….the more it does.

          • GP

            Sorry, I don’t think watching Blunderfoot videos counts as “studying” FemFreq.

          • NastyNinja

            Tell me when I say something she hasn’t.

          • GP

            The entire thing you said.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Evidence suggests we are. There is no way that a couple of thousand torrent-happy channers who spend most of their time bothering people on Twitter and Disqus have anywhere near the market impact of hundreds of millions of women.

          • NastyNinja

            Well shame on you for your toxic gaming community. That is the narrative, correct LOL?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, the perception is that gaming culture contains toxic elements. Like, as a major example, GG.

          • NastyNinja

            Nope. We aren’t actually gaming. We just troll online. You guys are the true gamers. Disgusting…. how do you sleep?

          • GP

            We don’t, we’re busy gaming. Duh.

          • NastyNinja

            I know. That’s my point. Why don’t people feel welcome in the gaming world? It’s not inclusive, people say. So I guess you aren’t quit the community you thought you were..hmm? Because we are a fringe group. A minority of people who don’t even game as you say. So that makes YOU d bags responsible for the state of gaming :)

            DAMN LOGIC!!!! DAMN YOUUUUUUU

          • GP

            Man ate dinosaur, women inherited the Earth. I don’t know what you’re not getting about this?

          • NastyNinja

            That makes no sense.

          • GP

            It’s a Jurassic Park goof. You’re probably too young to have seen that movie, never mind get a jokey reference. Sorry, I’ll bring it down:

            Gamers are dead, long live the Gamers.

          • NastyNinja

            My bad, I didn’t understand because you wrote it wrong. You wrote man ate dinosaur. Silly me for not understanding your incorrect movie quote.

            P.S. I bet you’re the size of a dinosaur lol!

          • GP

            It’s a goof on the line, but apology accepted. You’ll get there.

          • NastyNinja

            So will you. One day, you might be able write a movie quote without messing it up, calling someone else an idiot for not getting it, and then looking like a moron. One day…..one day.

          • GP

            Well, sure. I’ll take goofing on a quote to being you any day of the week.

          • Cyberwulf

            shouldn’t you be off harassing another trans person into killing themselves

          • NastyNinja

            Who do I look like, Brianna Wu?

          • GP

            Duh, those gamers are dead, and now we remain. Didn’t you read all about it?

  • EpicFails

    Stalkers Rights! Have really crappy relationship convince 4chan burger and fries trolls to attack your ex (hoping the ex commits suicide). Keep stirring the pot “behind the scenes” then cry foul when a court of law restrains your activities. Gee, I wonder why people think Eron is a narcissistic attention seeking stalker. Earn 13k to fund continued stalking of ex. Stalking for profit is actually a thing in America -smh

    • Some dude

      How was he stalking her? He didn’t follow any of her activities beyond the time their break up. He didn’t so much as give out her real name

      • EpicFails

        Stalk and harass all part and parcel with Eron. He states clearly he wants to continue to attack Quinn my guess is that it feeds his ego and wallet.

      • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

        He didn’t give out her real name? Really? Because when I search ‘Zoe Quinn’ it comes up 6 times on that wordpress blog. Also I guess all her personal information magically appeared in her stalkers’ inboxes.

        • EpicFails

          Anonymously of course

        • Some dude

          Her real name is Chelsea. He could have told people that she was once known as Locke Valentine too, but he didn’t

          • GP

            What a saint! He must really care about privacy and stuff.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha jinx

          • GP

            CONSPIRACY SHED JINX!

          • ReallyNotThough

            COLLUSION

          • GP

            Ethics in Disqus thread journalism!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh well, good on him, he only told channers about her real name, where she lives, her sex life, her projects, her weight, her tax status, and how to best hurt her.

            What a living, breathing, saint.

          • Some dude

            People got her name by their own means. Going via whois. Using old photo sharing accounts, information about her projects is freely given and nobody knows her actual weight or tax status. And if you think she’s hurt by any of this you’re a gullible moron

          • GP

            You think she’s not you’re a pretty messed up some dude.

          • Some dude

            You can see videos she posted of her laughing this shit off. She’s made of much sterner stuff than you imagine.

          • ReallyNotThough

            There’s also posts where she’s talking about depression and how much worse it is and how she wants her old life back.

            JFC, how on Earth does someone have so little empathy that you can’t see how messed up stalking and threatening a woman en masse is?

          • JinSaotome

            I bet $4000 in donations for doing nothing buys a lot of peace of mind. https://www.patreon.com/zoe

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, those donations are mostly for running Crash Override to protect people from GG.

            And no, it doesn’t. I wouldn’t trade my life for hers, and I seriously doubt you would.

          • GP

            Ya, that totally means it has no effect. Good call.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “People got her name by their own means.”

            Well, it’s not like Eron congratulated them on that and told them to keep digging and harassing her, though? Oh wait

            “And if you think she’s hurt by any of this you’re a gullible moron”

            If you think she isn’t you’re delusional. How would you feel to be sent explicit death and rape threats with your address for months?

          • Some dude

            Indifferent.

          • ReallyNotThough

            BS. You all can’t even handle “Gamers are Dead.”

            Really, if thousands of people literally told you they were going to kill you, it would have an effect. It affects everyone. Even William Shatner, for chrissakes.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            I hope to hell you’re actually some dumb 15 year old who thinks his dumb 15 year old sociopathic thoughts apply to every other person in the world and not just indistinguishable from one online

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            “And if you think she’s hurt by any of this you’re a gullible moron”

            lol good so you wouldn’t mind signing yourself up to be abused by sociopath, narcissistic, nerd shitheads like yourself nonstop for the rest of eternity since it’s no big deal then? fucking idiot

            There is a serious empathy deficiency problem in this world

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

            I’d like to thank you for sharing that information that all parties wanted public.

          • Vincent DuDouze

            The names of Chelsea Van Valkenburg are already public.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then telling more people who want to hurt her is just okay and normal,then.

          • Vincent DuDouze

            Chelsea Van Valkenburg.

      • ReallyNotThough

        If you don’t think Gjorni is religiously following everything Quinn does in order to find new ways to attack her, well, you didn’t read his own words above.

        • Vincent DuDouze

          He just kept chat logs. Learn how Internet works.

          This is really not a big deal for someone who knows computers like Eron.

          Everything else is journalist fantasies.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Where does calling hotels to tell the harassment mob more about her life fall into that?

          • GP

            “This is really not a big deal for someone who knows computers like Eron.”

            You said it. Probably not what you meant, but still.

  • Norm Hull

    My whole impression is that (this portion of) gamergate is led by people who feel victimized and marginalized by the eevul liberal media. But get mad at “sjw third wave feminists” for feeling victimized and marginalized nutcases who blame the evil conspiracy of men trying to keep women down on all their problems. In short, conspiracy theorists with victim complexes are mad at others for being conspiracy theorists with victim complexes.

    Except the sjw people have not gotten any video game project cancelled with their actions. Gamergaters (or perhaps people who bastardized the term) have been able to silence women with their actions through intimidation.

    There are very few people who make an argument in favor of Gamergate without eventually going off on a rant against feminism being a threat to the gaming industry itself. Even though it is not a threat at all, GTA is not going anywhere, neither is Mario. This narrative makes the librul media suspicious as to the true motives of gamergate, hence the potentially but not really unfair portrayal of most of the gamergate advocates.

    Zoe is a flawed person. The article says that multiple times. But death threats and the related hysteria against other women in gaming is wrong. What exactly do people want to accomplish with all this? To prove she’s guilty of possibly being a jerk according to a guy who has been proven to also be a jerk. How many jerks are there in the world? How many have had such a convoluted effort to destroy them? Why is there so much more investigation into Zoe’s personal life and actions but not as much to Eron’s, and why is any investigation into Eron’s motives considered some evil liberal scheme?

    • GP

      It’s unsettling how imperfection in this woman has been repositioned by (in the very least) a person who lacks any form of self-awareness as evidence of abuse. Like she hasn’t been honest about suffering from mental health problems, having a history of short-lived and difficult relationships, etc. And on the flip-side, he’s just an abused and cuckolded victim of her evil ways. But he’s persevering! He’s getting through it and he’s doing that in totally healthy, not at all dangerous or spiteful ways…

    • Vincent DuDouze

      Actually #GamerGate is about ethics.

      Zoe is the first professional victim who used the narrative : “I’m a poor girl. They want to push me me me out of the industry”.

      No ! #GamerGate is all about Nathan Grayson who inserted multiple times references to Depression Quest in his articles without disclosing his sexual or “deep-friendship” relation with Zoe. (note that Nathan confirmed their relation)

      Zoe just tried to hide her past and promote her at the same time. She just use the word “misoginy” but really nobody cares who’s the man and the woman between Nathan and Zoe !

      Then comes Anita who said “look ! GamerGate also harass me me me !” with an email which does not even mention GamerGate.

      One month later, Brianna said “look ! GamerGate also harass me me me ! GamerGate is all about me ! 8chan is all against me !”

      Anita earned 400 000$ for being harassed
      Brianna earns 3352$ a month on Patreon
      Zoe earns 4167$ a month on Patreon

      So please, tell me which woman who was driven away from the industry because of GamerGate.

      Meanwhile GamerGate was still about ethics, and ALL video game web sites changed their ethic policy. They did not tell this was for the GamerGate. Anyway why did they all changed their policy if it was not for the GamerGate ?

      And please explain why so many women routinely make video on Youtube and write on tweeter about GamerGate : do they want to push themselves out of the industry or is #GamerGate actually about ethics ?

      • ReallyNotThough

        Grayson did not have a sexual relationship at the time of writing those articles; y’all can stop lying about that now.

        If GG is really about stopping “professional victims” maybe you should stop lying about and victimizing them?

      • Cyberwulf

        Yes Gamergate is about ethics in videogame journalism

        it’s very very VERY important that the people writing their personal opinions about fucking videogames don’t say anything Gomblrgok supporters don’t like

        • Vincent DuDouze

          I don’t know what is “Gomblrgok” but it seems this is used only on Tumblr Feminist Blogs, so welcome Tumblr Feminist in the outside world where radicalism is not the norm!

          I’m waiting for your “kill all men”, “male tears mug” and “again a not-all-men”.

    • hilbert90

      Who has been silenced? Which side has had Ted Talks, been on Colbert, gets Boston Magazine to do features on them, been one of Time Magazines top 100 most influential people, been on Nightline, had their side voiced by NYTimes, The Guardian, The New Statesmen, …

      Or: The side that is called a bunch of misogynists and never gets interviewed or had their side voiced properly? When someone says they are pro-GG and this is why, the discussion is shut down before the part that comes after “why”.

      Do you see the strangeness of saying that “Gamergaters have been able to silence women with their action through intimidation?”

      I see a silencing going on, but somehow the media has tricked you into thinking it is these women with huge media outlets.

      • Norm Hull

        You are right in that Anita/Zoe have gotten voices through the media. But those who have just given up after all the harassment have been silenced. Anita cancelling a speaking engagement due to threats counts as being silenced.

        And the reaction to all these people, all of whom women from many gamergaters is that “every single one of them is making it up” despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. People keep asking the discussion to move on from Zoe and sexism, but other people keep bringing up Zoe and sending death threats, or threatening constantly to release more personal information about her.

        Thus, the media has little incentive to talk to people whose movement is associated with death threats and a continuing fixation on ruining small indie game developers instead of the real problem of big companies and their “pay to play” method of working with sites like gamespot to get good reviews. All they are going to see is the comments about Quinn’s vagina and how “in other countries she’d be shot” that have accompanied this article from people associated with Gamergate. The well has been poisoned.

  • Vincent DuDouze

    This is a hit piece against Eron Gjoni when Eron Gjoni is forbidden to reply to this by court order.

    This is a low blow.

    • PAZ

      …what..?

      This is an interview…

    • EpicFails

      He sucks at interviews. Eron comes across as a creepy narcissistic clown when he talks to the press. If he is too stupid to give a good interview he should probably avoid them.

      • Hannah Shaw-Williams

        “Eron comes across as a creepy narcissistic clown when he talks to the press.”

        Hmmmm I wonder why? One of life’s great mysteries.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          They’ll debate that one for ages.

    • Cyberwulf

      baaawwwww hawwww haaawwww haaaaaaawwwwwwwwww baaawwwwwwwwwww my heart bleeds for him

      look, here’s a tear

    • videmus

      He got what was coming to him, just like the gang rapists at UVa. Society doesn’t tolerate these kinds of people.

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      I bet that turd-biting solipsist would have a hell of a time replying to his own interview.

    • how2falseequivalency

      But him violating the gag order to do an interview for the piece, you know, that’s totally cool.

  • JackDandy
    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      Eron Gjoni’s ability to turn his own interviews into hit pieces against himself is truly remarkable.

      • JackDandy

        Pretty easy when the interviewer is a bald-faced liar.

  • GP

    I love how GGers are comparing this piece to the RS UVA shitstorm. Like they read the original piece, or the Columbia analysis.

    You get that this is an interview, right? I mean, he said this stuff. The author went to talk to his friends. This isn’t a single person crafting an elaborate narrative about an abuse story. You know, it isn’t the ZoePost.

    • videmus

      Rolling Stone and Jackie bravely exposed the rapists hiding in the University of Virginia. The community there rightfully sought justice against those vile men. Zoe, with the help of Boston Magazine, will accomplish the same, if not more.

      These gaters can yell and scream, but they can’t stop the march of justice.

      • GP

        i’m sure there were rapists, yes, but Jackie’s story was not corroborated or fact-checked in any way, shape or form. RS has permanently damaged their credibility and have made survivor’s task of seeking belief and support that much more difficult.

        • videmus

          You seem like a sympathetic person and likely an ally, but not believing in Jackie contributes to a culture of rape. I’d like to ask you to rethink what you’ve written, and the harm it causes to women.

          • GP

            And I’d urge you to at least read the summary of what the Columbia investigation uncovered in the practices of RS. I don’t blame Jackie, I blame RS for not doing their job.

          • videmus

            The Columbia investigators didn’t get Jackie’s side of the story. They didn’t even talk to her. How can they be trusted to know the truth?

          • GP

            They can know that the reporters did not do their jobs. Again, I’m not blaming Jackie, I’m blaming RS.

          • videmus

            Rolling Stone didn’t do anything wrong. They chose to believe a woman who was gang raped. They did the right thing, and the moral thing. I want you to be careful with the words you write, because saying Rolling Stone was wrong is effectively negating Jackie’s experience.

          • GP

            No, they did do wrong. They did not corroborate any of her story. Do you understand? No one could corroborate. She said she told friends, they did not make contact those friends before publication. She said she told her mom, they did not make contact her mom. In an attempt to protect her, they failed to do any of the basic things one would do in publishing any type of story and as a result they failed survivors everywhere.

          • videmus

            This is the sort of second-guessing that make women feel unsafe. I’m not going to bother with you anymore.

  • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

    You’re a horrible hypocrite. You call him out for writing The Zoe Post as airing personal details about Quinn and her relationships(which was intended not to be a smear campaign, which he says at LEAST fifteen times in the damn post) and then write your article about their relationship??? You’re nuts.

    All these dumb articles are just awful clickbait and good job terrorising and inducing harassment towards an abuse survivor so you can make money off some BS hype train.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

    http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      >intended not to be a smear campaign
      >includes her personal info and makes up a bunch of shit
      >posts it to 3 different forums
      >actively encourages the people harassing her
      >threatens to publish another, even more damaging one
      >intended not to be a smear campaign
      >intended not to be a smear campaign
      >intended not to be a smear campaign
      >intended not to be a smear campaign

      • Miglet32

        “Makes up a bunch of shit”

        Pretty much everything published in the post is verifying in the chat logs he presented as evidence.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Haha “the stalker’s post is evidenced by text the stalker posted about the object of his stalking!!!!”

          A+ good logic bro

          • Miglet32

            Swing and a miss.

            He verified the post later by showing the chat logs. And when some people questioned the veracity of those logs he posted a video going through the facebook chat between the two, further verifying the accounts in his post.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So when I said “the stalker’s post is evidenced by text the stalker posted about the object of his stalking!!!” I was 100% correct in describing your argument, right?

          • Miglet32

            Not really. He made the post outlining her abuses. He then went further to verify these abuses when challenged publicly. That’s not stalking. It’s providing evidence of abuse.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So when I said “the stalker’s post is evidenced by text the stalker posted about the object of his stalking!!!” I was correct, yes?

            I mean, unless you want to argue that Eron was lying when he said he spends 14 hours a day running a harassment mob stalking his ex behind the scenes, then my point stands.

          • Miglet32

            ” that Eron was lying when he said he spends 14 hours a day running a harassment mob stalking his ex behind the scenes”

            Lolwut? Where are you getting this shit?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look up why Gjorni was fired.

          • Miglet32

            You could just provide a link ffs.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Or, you know, you could put in the slightest amount of effort to learn some uncomfortable truths about your little hate movement?

            http://gawker.com/the-angry-ex-who-ignited-gamergate-has-no-regrets-1647186033

            “Although he didn’t see Gamergate coming, Gjoni—who said he recently left his job due to the increasing time demands of “internet warfare”—is still an active participant and a key figure in the campaign. “

          • Miglet32

            Lol… it says he quit, not that he was fired. It also doesn’t specific your little “14 hours a day” state that you’re trying to pass off as fact.

            So are you just making that sort of shit up and running with it because it fits your view of the situation, or… what?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then Google it. He says he “left his job” ambiguously. In reality, he wass asked to resign because his work sucked on account of staying up all night waging an internet war against his ex.

            Nope, I just happen to know more about this situation than you.

            http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-gamergate-regrets-the-harassment-but-say#.bwq5JP185

            “Recently, his supervisors noticed that he looked haggard and wasn’t getting much work done, and asked him if he wanted to resign. Gjoni said yes.

            “Internet warfare takes a surprising amount of dedication,” he said. Indeed, Gjoni, despite his protestations that he wrote “thezoepost” for ethical reasons unrelated to gaming, seems unable to leave the cause his writing sparked alone. He admitted to regularly advising GamerGate leaders, and seems to take some pride in the power he claims to exert over the movement, as well as over the effect the movement has had on gaming journalism.”

          • Miglet32

            >makes spurious claims about “facts”
            >attempts to back them with new stories that do not mention anything regarding those “facts”
            >attempts to claim measure of superiority in knowing all the “facts”

            Uwotm8?

            Additionally, asking someone to if they want to resign or take a leave of absence isn’t remotely the same thing as firing someone for cause, primarily because it implies the option of retaining the position if desired.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? I keep giving you links, you keep ignoring them.

            “asking someone to if they want to resign or take a leave of absence isn’t remotely the same thing as firing someone”

            Haha oh man the adult world is going to be disappointing to you.

          • Miglet32

            Except that neither of the links provide evidence for your “facts”.

            “Haha oh man the adult world is going to be disappointing to you.”

            And you’re batting 0 for 2. Nice little subvert ad hom though.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You don’t ask a person if they want to stay if the end game is firing the person.”

            No, but in large institutions, where outright firing is a huge union hassle, you do ask them if they want to leave.

      • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

        >does not include ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION (seriously did you even read it?)
        >He posted it to ONE forum. It was immediately removed. People who saw it, posted it to OTHER forums.
        >I’ve been following his blog and twitter for a year and a half. Not ONCE has he encouraged people to harass her. In fact, he’s done the exact opposite, and told people to NOT harass her. You idiot.
        >he has never threatened to publish a “more damaging zoe post” he said that if he got the gag order removed he would POST ABOUT HOW HE DID IT so OTHER VICTIMS would know how to get gag orders imposed by their abusers removed as well
        >believing a journalist because he writes into your rhetoric
        >believing a journalist whose literal job is to get clicks
        >believing a journalist

        • ReallyNotThough

          ” Not ONCE has he encouraged people to harass her. ”

          Huh, yet, here he is, explicitly telling people to harass her as soon as the media attention dies down: https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/directing-the-mob-2ed.png

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            are you stupid? did you even read this? this is literally him saying “DON’T MENTION HER NAME, FOCUS ON THE CRAP JOURNALISM.”

            You’re a mess.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Did your cult just make you block out the phrase “Come back to the Zoe thing” or….?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            Did YOUR cult make you block out the phrase “if you care about it”
            It, again, being the fact that he is an abuse victim who was legally silenced by his abuser.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes, and obviously, users who just talked about raping zoe do, in fact care about it.

            He was legally silenced because he provably abused her. Take it up with the courts.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            He was legally silenced because she’s richer than he is. And I actually did. Now I’m taking it up with the public, because if he’s been gagged from talking about his abuser, then his abuser should be gagged from talking about him.

          • ReallyNotThough

            BS. The most you can say is that he was “abused” because he didn’t want to take a break.

            He whipped up a hate mob and still, by his own admission, spends 14 hours a day violating his restraining order trying to run that hate mob behind the scenes.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            No, he was gaslighted. And he was emotionally abused- when your significant other says they’re going to kill themselves because of you, that’s emotional abuse.

            he did not whip up a hate mob. again with this “master puppeteer” thing. Angry people whip themselves up. Their responses are their own responsibility. As you can see, I support him and I’m not part of a hate mob threatening Zoe.

            And again, I have been following him on Twitter and Tumblr for a year and a half. He has responded to two asks about the whole situation in the past six months afaik, the rest have been about his programming and social life.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “No, he was gaslighted. ”

            If gaslighting is wrong, Eron’s recent statement that it’s Quinn’s fault that GG abuses women is abuse, right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            *crickets*

          • GP

            In got super quiet in my timeline, so I check to see what’s going on and it looks like they’re all discussing things with you. I feel slighted. Like the weird girl who brought her best female friend to her prom (which I totally was.)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, but also, maybe school lunch break is wrapping up and they’re back in class.

          • GP

            I live in the UK so I was totally wondering what time it was in North America and if it coincided with the mass crickets.

          • GP

            That’s bullshit because I follow him too. I just googled you btw. You’re all over the place defending this guy and calling him an abuse victim. Do you even know him or is this just from “friends of friends” who told you how it was?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            are you just ignoring everything I’ve said or are you really that afraid that what i’m saying is actually the truth?

          • GP

            http://gamasutra.com/blogs/RobinArnott/20140331/214349/quotGAMEJAMquot_and_the_Power_of_Integrity.php

            http://msminotaur.com/blog/?p=187

            http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/81317416962/unreality-my-takeaways-after-being-on-and

            Like, those are the actual words of the people who left the jam, and you want to make it Zoe Quinn’s fault, and blame her for getting people fired? Like there weren’t other intelligent people making decisions?

            I get that you may have professional and friend-related beef with her, but that doesn’t make Eron accountable or honest.

          • GP

            …Focus on the crap journalism was the cover for harassing her. You need calm yourself before you harm yourself.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            except you’re incorrect though. Truly. I’m not just sitting here typing “ur wrong on the internet” you’ve ACTUALLY got the wrong idea of this whole situation thanks to articles like these. he is ACTUALLY TALKING about the terrible journalism situation and he is in no way shape or form encouraging harassment.

          • GP

            Mkay, well, go look up DARVO and read the IdleDilettante post linked to you and the we’ll talk about it.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            send me a FB chat message. I’m not afraid to back up what I have to say with my name.

          • GP

            No. I don’t want to talk to a person who sides with an abuser in a private setting. If you want to back up what you’re saying you can say it here, I’m sure.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            i’ve been backing it up but it doesn’t seem to have any effect when the response to my backup is “i don’t want to read that”. or when what i’m saying is completely ignored.

          • GP

            If you have to data dump and pretend you’re an Eron insider to get your point across you’re not being honest. You could actually quote some stuff, or talk about what he says, but expecting me to read it and come out with the same view as you in a big stretch. We both clearly read the ZoePost. I see DARVO in action, you see a victim. See the problem?

          • EpicFails

            He says himself he was working “behind the scenes” on the Zoe harassment. Eron also wants to continue harassing her if he can beat the court order.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            he was working behind the scenes to stop people from harassing her. Working behind the scenes includes, but is not limited to:
            *publicly posting asks on his Tumblr to the effect of “stop harassing her, focus on journalism
            *publicly responding to tweets in the same manner
            *talking with people on Facebook who reached out to him
            *responding to Reddit AMA

            He’s not some master puppeteer manipulating the masses of faceless internet rage and hate. he’s just a dude. a FEMINIST dude.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “he was working behind the scenes to stop people from harassing her. ”

            Hahahaha wow one’s born every minute.

            He describes himself as in an “internet war” with Zoe Quinn. Does that sound like someone who feels bad for the harassment she’s received?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            now you’re asking whether or not he feels BADLY about the harassment, which I guess is a step down from saying he’s intentionally inciting it. Yes, he has expressed on multiple occasions that he doesn’t like the direction the whole situation has gone. he does not like that Zoe is suffering from harassment. He has said that, very clearly, multiple times.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “he does not like that Zoe is suffering from harassment.”

            Maybe, if he felt the same way in August and told burgersandfries that what they’re doing is in no way okay, things would be different.

            Please link to him saying he regrets his part in abusing Quinn.

          • EpicFails

            Ask for proof get crickets lol

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            I posted proof above. I’m also currently trying to find links to the asks I’m referring to, because he doesn’t tag anything, and it takes time to do so. again, human person talking, with real human person name.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You definitely didn’t post Eron saying he regrets his part in GG above.

          • EpicFails

            I guess that does not apply to Zoe though – but whatever. He handed her to a hate mob and continues to want her to suffer.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            see above

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            Not that you’ll actually read these, because they’re “words of a garbage man” and coincidentally also happen to absolve him of the accusations you’ve been trying to level at him, but here you go:

            http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/95524090956/do-you-have-any-more-hard-evidence-or-info-on-the

            http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/95567484566/hi-i-just-read-thezoepost-and-it-sounds-like-she

            http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/95602910146/what-all-that-zoe-quinn-stuff-was-about-a

          • ReallyNotThough

            Again, why would I believe an abuser about his abuse?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            wooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

          • ReallyNotThough

            And none of those show him saying he regrets his part in abusing Quinn.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            /literally all of them do/

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please quote the text.

          • EpicFails

            Yes, I absolutely believe him now! /s
            The chat logs tell a different story. Public statements vs private actions. I believe the chat logs where he could not hide his intent.

          • EpicFails

            Hahahahah- wow, sounds like something Eron would say. But few people buy his bullshit.
            Maybe there should a new internet phrase “that is soooo Eron.” Describing delusional narcissistic harassers.

    • how2falseequivalency

      It was pretty stupid of him to agree to do several months’ worth of interviews with a journalist if he didn’t want this article to be published then, wasn’t it? Or did you conveniently miss that part when you “read” the article?

      • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

        he didn’t agree to several months’ worth of anything. he agreed to a single interview, that was supposedly getting published in February. Read the link, there’s time stamps. also, he never said he didn’t want this article published- though it’s fair to assume he didn’t want yet another article full of bullshit claims written about him. His bad for being sympathetic to Zach, who said “i think my sister is dating a pathological liar and i want to help her”

        • ReallyNotThough

          “full of bullshit claims”

          Name one.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro
          • ReallyNotThough

            Maybe express it in your own words? I have no idea where I gave the impression that I care what an abusive jerk has to say.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            Then why are you listening to Zoe Quinn, an “abusive jerk” who has a history of gaslighting and abuse and who many other people have already called out as a pathological liar and abuser. Good job.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because I have no proof of that being true, other than the word of an actual abuser and a hate mob.

            I have lots of proof that Eron’s a stalker though, like this interview.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            “i have no proof of that being true” no, that’s a lie. You have plenty of proof. You just choose to ignore that proof in favor of the rhetoric that more favorably fits your mentality.

            Much like this interview. That you’re claiming as “proof”.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You have plenty of proof. ”

            TheZoePost is not proof.

            “Much like this interview. That you’re claiming as “proof”.”

            Yes, interviews do tend to contain actual quotes, yes.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            thezoepost also contains actual quotes. Actual quotes in their full context.

            So you either have to throw them both away or recognize them both, by your own logic.

          • ReallyNotThough

            None of which are verified by a fact-checking department, and all of which are sourced entirely from an admitted abuser and gaslighter.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            you’re a joke if you think this went through any kind of fact checking process. and what more fact checking do you need than eyes and the ability to recognize chat logs???

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha why is it that GG doesn’t understand even the most basic tenets of journalism?

            ” the ability to recognize chat logs???”

            Because chat logs provided by a gaslighting abuser who openly wants people to continue stalking his ex are not particularly reliable?

          • GP

            How bout you just pick out the good ones instead of making us wade through the mind of a humanoid trash monster?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            oh I see, your accusations are that -I- don’t know how to read, and yet you refuse to read because you’ve been brainwashed by clickbait to automatically assume this person is not an actual human. Got it.

          • GP

            I’m sorry I don’t want to read another 10K words by a train-wreck garbage man. Use your own words, how about.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            I’m using my actual name to talk about this because i support and believe him because, wouldn’t you know, he uses his actual name and the actual documentation of what happened to prove his innocence. Not so much for you and the people who are saying he’s “garbage” and “inhuman”- we are real people with real, verifiable identities and if you choose to take the word of clickbait over that, it’s your prerogative.

          • GP

            Okay, how about using your actual words then? Like what he has said that has made you side with him? What was so convincing that you would side with nightmare fuel?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            first of all, being an empathetic human being with apparently above-average comprehension skills was what convinced me. Additionally, the actual accounts by real people whose identities I verified by actually, oh I don’t know, talking directly to them like they are people instead of pretending they’re faceless anonymous hate entities on the internet. Eron’s own words, and the words of those who he called on and who volunteered to vouch for him, are what convinced me.

            Additionally, i know just how heinous Zoe Quinn is because she got hundreds of people fired after acting like an awful, entitled human being.

            If you really want to talk to me and understand where I’m coming from, send me a facebook message. This is my actual facebook. I am an actual human being.

          • GP

            Really? Reading the ZoePost, believing it and feeling empathy for him puts you among a rarified crowd.

            Who did she get fired, btw? You mean the gamejam you never attended and only know about through the blog posts of people who hated her to begin with? Cool story.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            Boston Mag is holding my comment hostage because i said a bad word.

            I work with Polaris and Maker Studios. I have personal friends who got fired. Again, I’m a human being who is real and does stuff.

          • GP

            Oh, so your friends go fired. That makes you a reliable source then, doesn’t it? Also, what would Quinn backing out of a game jam have to do with the Zoepost or Gamergate again? Why would you not liking her make Eron honest?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            again, you asked me why I sided with him. I know what she did and who she is, so after I read his post, i was inclined to believe him. He included as many facts as were available, and they were all verifiable. I went to people he cited as sources, spoke with them, and they verified everything.

            You can choose to continue to believe stuff like this article, and giving money to journalists who are making bank off smearing his name, or you can recognize that maybe there’s a reason that people like me are defending him that isn’t just “misogyny”.

          • GP

            How do you know what she did and who she is is the question of the day.

          • GP

            Sorry lady, I wasn’t saying anything about your reading comprehension. It’s just not reasonable to expect a person to read literally a half a dozen blog posts and thousands of words. If you can’t state your point, then you need to calm down and move on.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “i think my sister is dating a pathological liar and i want to help her”

          Encouraging a mob of hundreds of stalkers to threaten to rape and murder someone, and calling that “helping” is probably the most Abuser Logic thing I’ve ever heard.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            He literally never encouraged anyone to rape, threaten, murder, or stalk. That is literally all false. You are attributing the actions of others to him to fit your false narrative.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He literally never encouraged”

            Really? Then why was he giving Quinn’s personal medical history and the contact information of her friends to the people who openly talked about wanting to rape her and drive her to suicide?

            http://idledillettante.com/2014/12/06/eron-gjoni-hateful-boyfriend/

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            are you even reading these links before you post them they are all conjecture based on interpretation to intentionally misrepresent what he’s saying he ISN’T EVEN THE ONE SAYING THOSE THINGS IT’S RACHEL. You idiot.

          • AQ

            Are you seriously that self-loathing that you would side with a psychotic misogynist and his hangers-on? Seriously?

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            Are you seriously that heavily indoctrinated by your clickbait social justice that you would side with an actual pathological liar and the “journalists” who are trying to make names off harassing her abuse victim?

          • AQ

            *BZZZZZT* Straw Man (not to mention a flat out lie), try again!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, pretty sure it was him telling burgersandfries to pretend to be about ethics, that Quinn was depressed, and that he wanted to drive her into therapy using online abuse.

            Also, Rachel is also a stalker and an abuser. Not sure how this helps your case.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            holy shit are you serious. you literally know absolutely nothing about this other than what you’ve read off clickbait.

            i actually know Rachel, I’ve actually spoken with and engaged with her as a person, and you are actually wrong.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, I’m reading Eron’s own words.

            “i actually know Rachel, I’ve actually spoken with and engaged with her as a person, and you are actually wrong.”

            Lots of abusers put on a good show. Rachel said she has no regrets for what’s happened to Quinn and thinks Quinn deserved it. Sorry, but that’s an abuser talking.

        • how2falseequivalency

          “The first thing Eron Gjoni said after sitting down across from me at Veggie Galaxy in December was that he would probably violate his gag order if he talked to me. Then he talked for the next three hours, and again and again over the next three months.”

          Reading comprehension: how does that work? He sure was eager to talk, even in violation of a gag order, for someone who didn’t want yet another article published.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro
          • ReallyNotThough

            Hmm, let’s see who to believe, a reporter with a factchecking department, or a bitter stalker…

            hmm…

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            are you kidding me right now, that’s it? that’s all you have?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, yes, all I have to say how many interviews Eron gave are the word of him, and the word of the interviewer. Obviously the latter is more reputable.

          • how2falseequivalency

            That’s a cool strawman. Let me know when you get back to your original claim.

          • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

            “strawman”
            “Reading comprehension: how does that work”

            are you even real???

          • how2falseequivalency

            Maybe you misunderstood. I said let me know when you get back to your original claim.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “which was intended not to be a smear campaign”

      Were that the case, why did he support the smear campaign and give them additional information and advice after it started?

    • notorioushmr

      Basic logic: any comment that starts with “No offense, but” is likely to be offensive–thus the disclaimer.

    • PAZ

      “You” who?

      • Coral Nicole Eisenbruch-Biro

        “You” – author.

    • Tamagotchya

      What’s your opinion on particle colliders?
      I’m sorry, I meant pasta colander.

      • GP

        I missed you.

  • AQ

    But GamerGate is TOTALLY about “ethics in journalism”. That’s why women are being threatened and harrassed and doxed into silence whenever they speak up, and why there’s no outcry over actual incidents of unethical behaviour in gaming journalism.

    • videmus

      Ugh I hear you. I was so sad and angry last month when the woman who owned that pizza shop in Indiana got a ton of harassing messages and even threats on her life. I had been a vocal supporter of gay marriage, and I continue to be, but now I feel deeply conflicted. Sure, that woman wasn’t someone I’d ever like, but no one deserves threats. I still try to give my support to gay rights in my own private ways, but the public shame of associating with the movement is almost too much.

      • Woody

        Those bomb threats to Protein World were pretty bad too. Full on ISIS-like terrorism.

        Lot of women and female customers of Protein World feeling terrified.

        • videmus

          I’m not caught up on this “Protein World” thing. However, if they’re getting hate messages and threats, then we shouldn’t associate with the people who make them. Those people should be locked up.

      • Thomas Zell

        If people hate harassment and threats so much, they should be going after the social justice warriors, not gamergate.

        • ReallyNotThough

          They go where the harassment and threats are.

          GG should harass and threaten people less.

    • Perplexico

      A simplistic and unproductive view of the situation. The “players” in GamerGate have supported numerous women (Liana K, Karen Straughn, Christina Hoff Sommers, etc), and numerous women are part of the movement–your blanket statement is demonstrably false. Women speaking out in favor of GG have similarly been threatened, harassed, dogpiled and doxxed–and not just by random, unverifiable trolls, but by people like Randi Harper, Sarah Butts, Arthur Chu, Rebecca Watson, etc.

      Similarly, your claim about “there being no outcry over actual incidents of unethical behavior” is demonstrably false. Outcry where? About what? Be specific. On KiA? On Twitter? You’re wrong on both counts.

      But no, sure. Keep telling yourself that the sole reason why the illiberal radfems are disliked is “misogyny,” rather than, y’know, rampant intellectual dishonesty and pressure to adhere to feminist orthodoxy.

      • AQ

        You mean that I’m telling the truth and you just don’t like it.

        • Perplexico

          Erm.. No, I meant what I said.

          • AQ

            Oh, so you *meant* to victim-blame and act like GamerGate is something legit rather than a “movement” dedicated solely to the silencing of women and the spreading of flat out lies about Zoe Quinn.

            Got it.

          • Perplexico

            Nope. I called you out for making, again, simplistic and unproductive, generalized statements that fail to consider the reality. A reality you’re quite obviously not interested in, which explains why your viewpoint is so poorly informed.

            Your characterization of GG being a “movement about silencing women” isnt’ well-substantiated, I’m afraid. As I pointed out, there are numerous women that GG supports, female members of GG who have been similarly attacked–in your mind, “silenced,” in precisely the same way, and yet you’re here decrying one side. Conveniently.

            Got it.

      • Mr Corrections

        The fact that you sorry losers think that “Social Justice” is a bad thing tells everyone everything they need to know about you. It’s quite a timesaver!

        • Perplexico

          Funny.. Where did I say that? Oh. I didn’t. Congratulations, however, on soundly defeating that strawman.

          • Mr Corrections

            I didn’t say you said anything. I said that the sadass woman-hating motherfuckers you are a mealy-mouthed apologist for said it; there are like fifty examples in this very thread.

          • Perplexico

            You made an assertion, responding to me, about a group–“you sorry losers,” and ascribing a viewpoint to me about social justice. A viewpoint I never asserted.

            So, like I said–congratulations on soundly defeating that strawman.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t really care how you pretend to yourself that you’re not part of a movement who’s sole purpose is to threaten and harass women.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            Your unilateral declaration that the movement has a “sole purpose” that is “threatening and harassing women” is just that–a unilateral declaration, with no proferred evidence to back up your assertion. Conversely, I can provide numerous examples of women GG’s supported, and women that are a part of GG itself. Try again.

          • Mr Corrections

            See, you seem to think that playing word games allows you to justify the rape threats you are condoning. They do not.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            Wow. Rape threats, now I’m apparently condining (except not, another strawman). Spoiler Alert: Women (and men) on both sides of GamerGate have been attacked, insulted, dogpiled on, doxxed, etc. You’re the only one here unilaterally declaring an absolute statement.

            I.e., fallacious reasoning. Par for the course for “your type,” from what I’ve seen, though. Unsurprising.

          • Mr Corrections

            It doesn’t really matter how much you victim-blame or downplay the well-document threats made by your hate group; your grotesque agenda is transparent as glass.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            The only thing you’ve “helped” is clarify that you’re totally uninterested in reality, and are instead interested in making evidence-free, substance-free assertions about a huge group of people.

            I repeat: Unsurprising.

          • Mr Corrections

            See previous post.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            See previous post. Hope that helps.

          • Mr Corrections

            You are the first person to think of that joke, except for (e.g.) the dozens of other morally defective rejects in this very thread. It must be so weird being you.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            Then perhaps you should come up new material, instead of repeating yourself–apparently, the same way to multiple people all throughout a thread.

            Incidentally, let me know how your future reliance on strawmen arguments and guilt by association fallacies works out for you. Maybe somebody else will actually find your tactics persuasive. (Spoiler Alert: No, they won’t).

            Hope that helps.

          • Mr Corrections

            Why do I need new material? My agenda – to get you assholes to stop threatening women – is only strengthened when one of you bursts into sobs at the unfairness of the very thought of you having to check your privilege.

          • Perplexico

            I haven’t threatened any women, and I imagine virtually no one that you’ve ever spoken to has done so, either. Also, nice throwing in privilege there for some reason–as if it has anything to do with anything we’ve spoken with, or that “if only people would check their privilege, they wouldn’t harass women.”

            Delusional on all counts. Kudos.

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s why you’re here, in an interview with a guy who cannot be classified by any reasonable observer as anything other than both a dangerous stalker and a whiny titty-baby, defending the group dedicated to his whiny titty-baby stalker viewpoint. GamerGate has literally no other reason to exist other than to threaten women, and that is all they have ever done.

            I hope that helps!

          • Perplexico

            You’re making totally baseless inferences about why other people might be reading an article. Your characterization that GamerGate is “the group dedicated to his viewpoint” and “has no other reason to exist other than to threaten women” you have spectacularly failed to substantiate.

            You seem to have real issues with understanding that your unilateral, evidence-free, substance-free declarations don’t magically change reality into what you claim.

            I repeat: Delusional on all counts. Hope that helps.

          • Mr Corrections

            Totally baseless, except for all the documented evidence. Hell, just look in this very fucking thread, you moron.

          • Perplexico

            Yeah, no. First you made totally baseless assertions about what I personally believe and then about what “GG is about.” You totally rely on strawmen arguments and guilt by assocation fallacies.

            You’re making pseudo-intellectual arguments, quite obviously with an ideological axe to grind. Kudos, however, on the personal attack. You sure showed me by being forced to result to profanity and insults. Kudos.

          • Mr Corrections

            “Don’t threaten people” isn’t an ideology.

            But go on – tell me what GamerGate is FOR, if it isn’t for threatening women. Please, try, and I will illustrate simply by copy-pasting from this thread how you are lying.

    • Thomas Zell

      There is lots of outcry over unethical behaviour in journalism, they talk about it constantly, they don’t shut up about it, they post about new ethics concerns every single day.

      You’ll never hear one word about it on the mainstream media because they are trying to push the narrative that its a hate mob. All they talk about is 15 year kids who are not even part of it at all who don’t know how to voice disagreements in a constructive way.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “they post about new ethics concerns every single day.”

        And 95% of them turn out to be garbage conspiracy theories. The other 5% come to nothing because no-one cares what a bunch of harassers have to say about anything.

        • Thomas Zell

          So, you do admit that you don’t know a damn thing about what is going on in gamergate and have no right to talk about it? Because that is precisely t what you just said.

          Last weekend a group of women where kicked out of a convention that they paid money to attend, because they supported gamergate. You will not hear about this in any of your liberal news outlets, because it goes against the fictional narrative they are trying to push.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha no, I don’t admit that.

            “Last weekend a group of women”

            It was two women and two men. Stop lying, just for ten seconds, see how it feels.

            “where kicked out of a convention that they paid money to attend, because they supported gamergate.”

            Well, that, and the lying about what they would be promoting, and the 30+ complaints.

            ” You will not hear about this in any of your liberal news outlets”

            Then why do I know more about it than you?

            And notice how none of this has the slightest to do with games journalism?

          • Thomas Zell

            They received more than thirty complaints because more than thirty people where the kinds of people who send frivolous complaints about people who disagree with them.

            I’m sending in a complaint about you right now. They way you respond to my comments is very similar to how they responded to things said at the feminism panel that they attended and where kicked out of the convention for. You are making me feel uncomfortable and I feel like I am being harassed by you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “They received more than thirty complaints because more than thirty people where the kinds of people who send frivolous complaints about people who disagree with them.”

            great assertions without evidence bro

            ” I feel like I am being harassed by you.”

            No-one said that.

            Do you ever feel that the way you can’t make a point without lying might indicate you don’t have a point?

          • Thomas Zell

            And what the hell am I lying about? They were kicked out of a con, they where told they where being kicked out for harassment, there is no evidence of harassment.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You said they were a group of women.

            You said they were being kicked out for harassment.

            Look up CalgaryExpo’s statement.

            Stop lying.

          • Thomas Zell

            Actually, that was the original story, that they were kciekd out for harassing people at a panel. They later changed ti tho them being kicked out for misrepresenting themselves on the paperwork, which I guess is a perfect rational reason, after all, they would not have had their request approved if they informed the convention that they were gamergate supporters, since gamergate is officially considered a hate group.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Actually, that was the original story”

            Yes, I know it was GG’s original story. It was not CalgaryExpo’s.

            Maybe it’s not so much that you’re lying, as that you can’t differentiate between imagination and reality?

  • agio

    What a sad little monster that guy is.

    • videmus

      I hope he gets locked up and his blog gets shut down by the FBI. Men who act this way don’t belong in civil society.

      • Woody
        • videmus

          Women can’t make threats. Threats require intimidation + power. Men monopolize all the seats of power in our world, and women have none.

          • Perplexico

            The funny thing is, even though it’s obviously satire, you’re pretty close to actual crazies. Good ol’ Poe’s Law.

          • Woody

            I was just thinking of that awesome Godfrey guy on Twitter!

            It is mad how you simply can’t tell the difference between satirists and SJW’s!

          • Woody

            Does that apply to Islamists who also don’t hold power especially in the US and UK where they have killed people in terrorist acts?

          • Thomas Zell

            Well, I personally have no seat of power, at all. So that means, I am allowed to send death threats to you and your family, right?

          • Craig F

            Anyone can make threats when they are done anonymously over the internet.

          • HoyesMiGente

            That is not true.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          Has she victimized someone by bringing thousands of stalkers and abusers on them?

          • Woody

            Yeah I mean those Nazi’s, they weren’t all bad right? I mean yeah they wanted to commit genocide and murder millions of people like the feminists do, but hey they didn’t cause thousands of stalkers and abusers to harass the Jews on Twitter. Now that’s the real bad stuff right there.

            Of course I say “thousands” but I can only count about a hundred egg accounts that could be false flags but hey whose counting right.

            And I mean those feminists never sent thousands of abusers after Matt Taylor or Protein World. There were no bomb threats, lol, never happened. We imagined it!

            So yeah those feminists are fine, no worse than the Nazi’s and they were jolly fair fellows right. I mean mass murder ain’t so bad, its the Twitter abuse you need to watch out for.

            By all means gas my entire family, but call me a corrupt lying slapper on Twitter and that is where I take exception.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            I know you meant that to be cutting and incisive, but all I got was the image of you wringing your hands, stammering, staring at the floor.
            But yeah, “both sides” tho, amirite?

          • Woody

            Ok that’s the traditional SJW ad hominem attack out of the way. Do you feel better now? Got it off your chest?

            Now can we get to the part where you actually answer the point I made?

            You turn a hundred egg accounts belonging to unknown individuals (some likely being false flag sock accounts from your own side, others being third party trolls/agitators) into an organised mob of “thousands” and you attribute all of them to gamers.

            You then conveniently ignore massive abuse, bullying, death/bomb threats made BY the SJW’s directed at others.

            You also imply that genocide is trivial or on a par with Twitter abuse.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            See, I’d reply, but I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Nazis or whatever. Are you comparing feminists to a genocidal regime or something? That’s silly. Though it DOES remind me of Shekel Shoah, that anti-Semitism steeped attempt to put Gawker out of business.

            Also, something something “egg accounts”, “both sides” (lol), attributed to gamers? You got me there, I don’t know what I was thinking, attributing gaming-related harassment to gamers. That’s some Gater-tier mental gymnastics.

          • Woody

            Mental gymnastics?

            Me: “look at this threat of genocide, inciting the murder of 30 million people in the UK alone”.

            You: “but but but what about Twitter abuse”.

            If the gravity of the above doesn’t stove your face in with a metaphorical baseball bat there is no helping you.

            You also mentioned “thousands” of stalkers.

            Ok show me the proof? Where?

            I have personally witnessed (and this a pure estimate) around a hundred accounts or so being abusive.

            Can you provide any evidence that:

            a, tells us how many abusive accounts there really were.

            b, tells us how many of those accounts belonged to the same person registering multiple accounts

            c, tells us who the people behind those accounts were because for all I know you set up the accounts and sent Quinn abuse in order to smear gamers and push your prejudices.

            Before you show us all the evidence to prove those three points, could you please hand it to the FBI first because those morons seem unable to catch anyone for making these threats where as my local police in the UK managed to identify and prosecute people committing the same acts here.

            I mean is it just the FBI that are thick as excrement or are all Americans that incompetent?

            Gamers and SJW’s alike would like to see those people arrest right.

            So either you have the evidence of who exactly these people (NOT who they CLAIM they are) in which case tell the cops.

            Or you have absolutely no evidence and are just lying and smearing innocent people on the web presumably because you are a mong or something.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            There you go again, I seriously have no idea why you’re talking about genocide in regards to a woman being harassed. Wow. I need to be doing some of those mental stretches.

          • Woody

            “I seriously have no idea what you are talking about”.

            Really, because there is evidence in black and white above of you replying to my post about the genocide/mass murder threat where you start asking if she abused people on twitter or got others to abuse people on Twitter.

            Because yeah when you are caught being a genocidal maniac inciting the murder of millions, a bit of Twitter abuse on top of that really adds to the charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Anyone can scroll up and see it!

            You also haven’t provided the evidence yet….

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            I lost track when I asked if she ever started a harassment campaign and then you started talking about genocide. Lol @ Breitbart.

          • Woody

            The post you were replying to had evidence of threats of genocide and incitement to mass murder. Might I suggest that if one doesn’t want to end up looking like a mongtard, that you actually READ the posts you reply to!!! Obvious I know but clearly you have to be told!!!!

            The threats of genocide/incitement to commit mass murder were reported by Breitbart (I link them so that they get a load of clicks from you SJW smacktards).

            However as you can see the actual original evidence is on Twitter and has been confirmed by the Liberal Democrats (a UK SJW affliliated political party) and the LGBT groups she was a member of.

            I note that you still haven’t posted a scrap of evidence to substantiate your claims. The FBI are no doubt very keen to talk to you about it too.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Ooh. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails there bud, but us “SJWs” just use http://www.donotlink.com/exiv on websites that don’t support our little hivemind. They won’t be getting my clicks.
            LOL! KILL ALL MEN? THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE FREAKING OUT ABOUT? Oh my god, I have to take a break. Sure pal, go tell the FBI, roflmao. I’m sure they’ll want to hear all about it.

  • kgelner

    The problem is that a lot of anti-Gamergate people are not vey believable – it was shown a number of them had faked threats against themselves (because they slipped up and issued some threats while logged into their own twitter account).

    Something else this one-sided hatchet job overlooks is that there are a lot of women as part of Gamergate – they are getting more than death threats, they are actually having things like knives mailed to them. Where is the story about THEM? There isn;t one because you are pushing an agenda, instead of really trying to cover the sad state of trolling on Twitter that affects everyone.

    Here’s the bit about the death threats/knives:

    http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?13532-GamerGate-supporter-got-doxxed-and-sent-knife-via-mail

    • ReallyNotThough

      “it was shown a number of them had faked threats against themselves ”

      Nope, that was just some MSPaint conspiracy mongering.

      “there are a lot of women as part of Gamergate”

      And? Women can be part of a stalking and harassment campaign, as well

      “they are actually having things like knives mailed to them”

      Actually, the only GG to claim that was a man.

      “Where is the story about THEM?”

      Stories typically need to be about verifiable events and people with real names.

      AVFM is a hate group that has repeatedly pushed for decriminalizing rape and domestic abuse. Find a better source.

      • Perplexico

        “Stories typically need to be about verifiable events and people with real names.”

        Cognitive dissonance alert! Do you have any idea how much of the aGG narrative is totally unproven, and yet taken as gospel by people like yourself?

        And despite your “nope!” claim, just as ONE example, Brianna Wu has a documented history of trolling for threats that she can subsequently post to Twitter for attention. Quite brazenly, in fact, the most recent instance being when her game came to Steam’s Greenlight. First, she started threads deliberately looking for haters, then she repeatedly–and dishonestly–claimed that “GamerGate was downvote brigading her game, endangering her ability to get it Greenlit”–which isn’t at all how Greenlight works (no such downvote brigading is possible), and she knew that.

        • ReallyNotThough

          I love how you assume what I believe and what I don’t.

          “Quite brazenly, in fact, the most recent instance being when her game came to Steam’s Greenlight. First, she started threads deliberately looking for haters”

          Um, she wasn’t trying to fake threats. She openly mentioned on Twitter as soon as she did it that she was hoping to concentrate the bile in one place.

          Seriously, GG are the most gullible people on planet Earth.

          Wu’s main complaint was that you were comment brigading, leaving negative reviews based on your hatred of her.

          • Perplexico

            I’m not necessarily talking about what you, as an individual, believe. You shouldn’t take it as such. Perhaps you, as an individual, don’t take the various, totally unproven (and unprovable) assertions of those people as proof. That hasn’t stopped the majority of you (again, the collective “you”), or sympathetic, well-meaning outlets from uncritically repeating unproved claims.

            The Greenlight situation wasn’t an instance of Wu being caught “faking” threats, but was she deliberately soliciting negativity she could subsequently publicize on Twitter for personal gain? Absolutely. And if you don’t believe that, you’re incredibly dense, dishonest, or so jaded that reality no longer matters to you. Speaking of “the most gullible people on planet Earth.”

            Wu called for help on Twitter, claiming that “Gamergate” was downvote brigading her game, somehow threatening it from being Greenlit. That’s not how Greenlight works, and she knew that, having gone through the process. There’s no such thing as a downvote, and you couldn’t leave “negative reviews,” as the game wasn’t on Steam. You can’t review Greenlight applications. All you can do is say “Interested,” “Not interested,” “Ask me later.” Votes for “not interested” in no way impact the game’s ability to get Greenlit, and Wu knew that.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “well-meaning outlets from uncritically repeating unproved claims.”

            Like?

            “The Greenlight situation wasn’t an instance of Wu being caught “faking” threats,”

            Then you probably shouldn’t have used it as proof that GG’s targets fake their threats.

            “and you couldn’t leave “negative reviews,”

            Except you could, as evidenced by the thousands of GG who claimed they played the game on mobile and hated it, and also that Brianna Wu was a [insert slur here].

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      I 100% believe anyone who links to A Voice For Men.

  • Vincent DuDouze

    https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/
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    Well this is just a classic break-up story.

    Feminists just want it to be all about misogyny : they just discredit themselves, by pushing, again and again this non-sense against the #GamerGate.

    Zoe just did one text-based game which no one would have played if Eron did not post his story on the blog.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “Well this is just a classic break-up story.”

      Name another break-up story that resulted in thousands of death threats being sent to a woman’s whole family.

      “Zoe just did one text-based game”

      haha it’s bizarre how GG knows who Zoe’s dad is but can’t seem to figure out that she’s on a lot of games teams.

      • Vincent DuDouze

        Read again this article : Zoe had death threats BEFORE gamergate BEFORE the breakup.

        If you are too lazy read the date of this :
        https://archive.today/PFroV

        Eight month before the Zoe Post ! WUT !

        And OK do the work for me : show me all the good quality work she has done.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Okay. She also says she’s had a massive amount of harassment since.

          Maybe GG shouldn’t have jumped on that bandwagon?

          Google the mobile game Framed.

  • Sigma

    This article is so unbelievably biased and one-sided, lol. Chelsea Van Valkenberg is leading the media in a merry little dance.

    • ReallyNotThough

      GG would be more convincing if they didn;t show up hoping to dox her.

    • PAZ

      ..this is an interview… how can it be one-sided…?

      • ReallyNotThough

        Apparently, GG feels that letting Eron Gjoni speak makes them look bad.

        They’re not wrong, to be fair.

      • Daniel Hemingway

        Well, according to Eron’s tumblr, they had a three hour interview of which it seems that he was properly quoted… I’d say three times?

      • Sigma

        Because the author has cherry-picked quotes in order to portray one party involved in this as some obsessed lunatic.

        For example, when the author of this piece contacted one of Eron’s friends for a quote, he decided to use just the statement about Eron having “semi-decent people skills”, when this is what was provided to the author: –

        “Eron I first met in college. We were both in the same class at school and hung out with the same group of people between classes. I struck up a friendship with him. I always saw Eron as a very intellectual person with semi-decent people skills. He was always super friendly and everyone had good things to say about him.

        Zoe and I met through working in games in Boston. I believe we had actually first connected through Twitter. She was new to the area and had tweeted that she was going to something I was also attending. It happened to be my first (or maybe second) time going. I introduced myself and thought she was nice. After that, it was mostly through Twitter that we chatted, or I would hear about her through friends working with her. She never did
        anything to me that made me think poorly of her when I first met her.

        Though, I had heard some rumors from her time up in Canada. I didn’t think much of it. I had also heard that she was a bit flakey when it came to helping out with events she said she would help out with. But, as I said previously, I really didn’t think too much negatively on it. She was nice to me.

        When I heard they were both dating, I was
        really excited! I thought that they were both nice people and had similar interests. I thought it would be a great relationship. Boy did that turn out to be wrong. Before Eron even started writing “The Zoe
        Post” he reached out to me. He wanted to make sure he was thinking clearly about this situation and what he should do about it. I ended up doing my own research asking people who knew her more in-depth about her… seems that Eron was not alone in being manipulated by her.”

        Look how much the author of this article conveniently ignored, lol. If you think this article is anyone near close to the truth, you’re delusional. It’s a simple hit piece, nothing more.

  • EpicFails

    Just a little info on the profit to be made. I think this is what Eron is after.

    http://boingboing.net/2015/01/14/how-crowdfunding-helps-haters.html

    But these mobs aren’t just about revenge, narcissism, or bigotry. With the addition of open-ended crowdfunding tools such asPatreon, Gratipay, and GoFundMe, it’s possible to turn the attention these organizers seek into funding, turning the hobby of harassment into a job. Some of the most successful have been the anti-feminist, misogynist instigators of GamerGate.

    Many of these professional victimizers are anti-feminist video bloggers, who combine the income from YouTube video ads with funding through Patreon, a service which allows people who create content to charge subscribers per-release or per-month. One of the highest-profile examples is atheist and anti-feminist video blogger Phil “thunderf00t” Mason, formerly of Freethought Blogs. In addition to his promotion of atheism and debunking of pseudoscience, he focuses on attacking feminism and particular feminist personalities. In particular, he’s focused on video game cultural critic and video blogger Anita Sarkeesian, making multiple videos with names like “‘Feminism’ Vs FACTS (Anita Sarkeesian DESTROYED!)” and “Anita Sarkeesian- BUSTED!”

    Hobby hating for cash.

    • hams

      “Hey only WE get to have conspiracy theories! How dare u imply we have ulterior motives, only women do that. We have LOGIC and CHEETOS. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go comfort my pillow girlfriend because you’ve upset her. You monster!”

      • EpicFails

        lol

    • NastyNinja

      LOL. Really? You think it’s the anti feminists making the money? lolololol. Funny joke, bra.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Gjoni raised 13 grand to fight his restraining order.

        • NastyNinja

          Sarkeesian got over 10x that just for her kickstarter (that she is a few years behind on lol). Most of that money came after she said…..”ooooo poor me. People are saying mean things to me on the internet, booo hooooo”.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If you don’t like crowdfunding it would be a good idea for antifeminists to stop threatening to rape every woman they come across?

            Also FemFreq actually exists. Gjoni’s case against the lawsuit is based on his feelings, and will definitely be thrown out.

          • NastyNinja

            Straw man? Every person (women included?) who is anti feminist sends rape threats? Fear mongering ftw! Rape culture!!!! I’m losing an argument and I have no facts to support me…….RAPE!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. But a hell of a lot are.

          • NastyNinja

            A lot of feminists love the SCUM manifesto. Does that mean men should worry about being killed?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “A lot”

            Name one living feminist who does.

          • NastyNinja

            Name one gg supporter who has been proven to send anita a death or rape threat.

          • ReallyNotThough

            http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter

            disputebrawl, for one. Also the people using GG avis.

            Seriously, twitter search any of the LWs and the GG tag.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh no she made money for a game! Well obviously she must deserve rape threats then. Thanks for clearing that up!

          • NastyNinja

            No…she didn’t make a game. Go put your helmet back on.

      • EpicFails

        Read the article the numbers say not so much.

        • NastyNinja
          • EpicFails

            so you have 2- okay

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            You have indeed pointed out their Patreon pages.

          • NastyNinja

            Professional victims unite! Dolla dolla bills yaaaaaaallll!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Don’t you have a frivolous lawsuit against CalgaryExpo to be contributing towards?

          • NastyNinja

            Thank you for reminding me. I should contribute to a cause that helps women who have ACTUALLY been discriminated against :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, the people kicked out of CalgaryExpo were two women and two men.

            Do you ever think that if you weren’t in a cult, you wouldn’t need to lie about everything all the time?

          • NastyNinja

            I heard the audio. If the men were kicked out as well, it was due to the woman’s comment about how she disagreed with feminism. Nice try though.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, read Expo’s statement.

          • NastyNinja

            LOL. You mean this vague piece of shit that could mean anything but in truth just means that a bunch of piss babies lied and claimed harassment. Hence, the lawsuit.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Also, for real, google “Sarkeesian Effect’s Creators ask for more money”

        • NastyNinja

          Or I could show you sarkeesian’s twitter feed where she parades trolling so she can get more donations from morons.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Probably would be good idea for people to stop threatening to rape and murder her then, wouldn’t it?

          • NastyNinja

            How do I know it isn’t you? Nobody has been charged with anything. Could be her buddies doing it so she can rake in more dough.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because I’m not thousands of people.

            “Could be her buddies doing it so she can rake in more dough.”

            Then it certainly wouldn’t hurt for GG to stop lying about her and calling for her to be raped, right?

          • NastyNinja

            No proof it was gg. But keep squawking. Maybe that will make it true. There is a video where anita talks about the “harassment she is getting” well before gg even existed. Whats funnier is how she said she just ignores it. She learned that ignoring the trolls doesn’t make you that sweet sweet victim cash.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Except for all the people doing it under the GG hashtag with the GG icon. Seriously, Twitter search the GG tag and any of these women’s mentions.

          • NastyNinja

            pssssst. Anyone can use a hashtag.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No kidding. So when we mention that people are harassing women under GG, and you say they’re not, you’re lying right?

          • NastyNinja

            To my knowledge, the threats didn’t carry the gg hashtag. But I thought I’d be nice and not call you a liar.

      • EpicFails

        Honey Badgers / Eron/ Sargon/ Thunderfoot/ Matt Mundane/ Bert and Ernie —-David and Jordon/ just off the top of my head

        • NastyNinja

          All of those people are also open to debate and don’t pretend they are the moral authority.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha sure they don’t, yeah Sargon was super open to being corrected about the lies told about Zoe Quinn, right?

          • NastyNinja

            What lies?

          • ReallyNotThough

            That she had sex for coverage.

            You know, the lies that started GG.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            That’s totally what he was talking about.

          • NastyNinja

            Well if you want to compare people who put out content and debate people like the Honey Badgers to some shitty game dev that is famous for banger her boss and crying victim about it….oooo k

          • ReallyNotThough

            “some shitty game dev that is famous for banger her boss ”

            Maybe GG should stop lying about everyone if they want to be taken seriously.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            I thought Honey Badgers just got thrown out of private events.

          • NastyNinja

            Yes, thanks for bringing that up! Did you listen to the audio and find out why? lol wow

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            The audio? I don’t know, I don’t really like listening to bigots make things up.

          • NastyNinja

            Its pulled directly from the expo. Good to know you form an opinion without knowing the facts though :)

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            It’s not too hard to form an opinion, the con can kick people out for basically whatever reason they feel like, Wu didn’t want them there, it’s her prerogative to eject them.

          • NastyNinja

            Wu had nothing to do with the Honey Badgers getting booted….you are mixing your stories up. You are thinking of Ralph. And he wasn’t even kicked out of the con…just wu’s panel. Get your facts straight. You must be a fresh lvl 1 sjw.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Ah, that WAS Ralph! You’re right, I’ve been getting my reactionaries getting kicked out from cons mixed up, my bad. It’s just been happening so much lately, you’ll have to excuse me.

          • EpicFails

            You are funny.

    • Salguod Xam

      Not to disagree one bit, but FYI Patreon has started to shut down some of those campaigns.

      It’s tricky for them, they didn’t have a policy to address this kind of thing in place at first and have generally been swamped with other aspects of the site. But I got an update [i use them for my own comics and art ventures] that announced an update to the policy and they started pulling any campaign they could draw a direct connection to bad actors for.

      I think they still legally only can boot users who are directly funding questionable activities with their funding or posting content relating to that, so that makes it challenging for them. They probably will have a harder time with subtler foxes like thunderf00t, as critique itself is not at all prohibited. But as a company they are very much NOT in support of GG.

      • EpicFails

        I think Hotwheels/ 8chan account was shut down with the tighter rules. Things are changing.

  • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

    I’m sorry to say, guys, but it looks like everything Gjoni said was true. Just look at this picture exposing Zoe Quinn for what she is.

    • EpicFails

      The red lines convinced me! I now firmly believe in Blah and blah.

  • DN Nation

    As an objective observer with no skin in the game other than a desire for human decency, I’d like to note that, hot damn, GamerGaters are a bunch of honkin knuckleheads.

  • blackbetty

    Lol, No one in GG cares about Zoe Quinn. GG’s concern is Nathan Grayson, you know, the games journo she was sleeping with while he wrote positive coverage of her work? Quinn is desperately trying to carve some kind of fame out of this ordeal. This is tantamount to saying that they used Bill Clinton just to attack Monica Lewinsky. I’ve been involved with GG since day one, and sure for a couple of weeks her name came up a lot, and yeah there were trolls harassing her.Some of those trolls were supporters of GG, and they’ve long since been condemned, and given the boot. That was eight months ago. The only time I see her referenced now, is when these “cry for attention” articles come out.

    • ReallyNotThough

      ” No one in GG cares about Zoe Quinn. ”

      Meanwhile, in reality:

      “3280 comments”

      • Perplexico

        That doesn’t prove people (people, as in the collective moment) care about Zoe Quinn as an individual. She’s a no-name developer of one barely-counts-as-a-game entry. She’s “relevant,” however, insofar that a lot of the mainstream media attention devoted to the movement centers around her. Naturally, people interested in GamerGate end up being dragged back into the narrative about her. All the women who are supposedly “targeted” by GamerGate go out of their way to talk about GamerGate constantly, and wonder why, with an audience of millions of people, they attract negativity from a minority of them.

        Let’s see.. Could it have anything to do with a small minority of them being resentful over intellectually dishonest articles like this one? NO! Say it isn’t so!.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          If I was being harassed by a hate group for going on 8 months I’d talk about them a lot too.

          • Perplexico

            They say “don’t feed the trolls” for a reason. When you’re dealing with an audience of hundreds of thousands (if not more than a million), you inevitably–and endlessly–attract negativity to yourself by talking about it.

            Brianna Wu is another example. She claimed, on Patreon, that she needed help–and charity–in order to “get back to making games” and “stop talking about GamerGate,” and despite now receiving $3,000+ a month or more, still talks about GamerGate constantly, basically every day, perpetuating the negativity she uses to ask for more money. Surprise.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If talking about your movement leads to thousands of death threats, it might be a problem with your movement, not the people who talk about it.

            Just saying.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            I’d talk about it too if it got me forced out of my home.

          • TombaHat

            How can they be getting harassed when they have the blockbot closing them off from any dissent or criticism? I call bullshit

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Easy: create burner accounts.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “She’s a no-name developer of one barely-counts-as-a-game entry.”

          Don’t you think that at some point in stalking this woman you’d be able to figure out that she has worked on quite a few games?

          ” All the women who are supposedly “targeted” by GamerGate go out of their way to talk about GamerGate constantly”

          Well, having your life ruined by constant rape and death threats will tend to make them a focus.

          Maybe GG could stop targeting women, and then women will stop mentioning that they’re targeted?

          “over intellectually dishonest articles like this one?”

          Name one thing is this article that is false.

          • Perplexico

            I love how you describe receiving random mean tweets on Twitter as “having your life ruined.” Yes, she’s had real harassment–harassment that’s been decried near-unanimously, even by the prominent GGers. She also receives thousands of free dollars a month–more than the median income in the United States–so I’m rather skeptical when you, or she, claim that GamerGate has “ruined her life.” She’s gained a national platform to speak on issues and a consistent line of income.

            And I stand by my statement: She isn’t, and has never, been well known for her creative works. She’s known for the scandal. She isn’t a prolific developer in any way, shape or form–and neither are any of the women that the drama centers around.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Yes, she’s had real harassment–harassment that’s been decried near-unanimously”

            You know, if GG didn;t like the harassment, they would probably stop lying about and harassing her.

            “she, claim that GamerGate has “ruined her life.”

            Well, I’m going to believe literally everybody who has recieved harassment like this, and say that yes, it does mess you up.

            “She’s known for the scandal.”

            And she’d rather not be, as she’s mentioned multiple times.

            Again, if GG doesn’t want her to be famous for being targeted, stop targeting her. I don’t see why this is hard.

          • Perplexico

            Again, guilt by association fallacy. You’re talking about a huge, leaderless group of people that, much to your dismay, don’t hold magical collective responsibility for the actions of trolls or extremists any more than, as another poster said, #BlackLivesMatter holds responsibility for violence against cops that has been done by extremists.

            Quinn, Wu, etc, perpetuates their own harassment by talking about the issues non-stop. She’s probably going to live with it for the rest of her life. No matter how much you or I may wish that to stop–and a huge portion of GG wishes it would stop–because it serves as nothing more than a convenient pretext to dismiss criticism of real issues.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “for the actions of trolls or extremists”

            There are people spreading malicious lies about Quinn on this thread, right now, and you’re more concerned about GG’s image than about actually confronting them and getting them to stop.

            You can’t say someone’s an extremist when they’re following the original purpose of a movement and are accepted with open arms.

            “and a huge portion of GG wishes it would stop”

            Then get the rest of GG to stop, and then whine to us that we don’t like them.

          • Perplexico

            GG’s image can’t be “redeemed.” There’s a lot invested in the anti-side, and a lot of meaningless tribalism on both sides. I’ve seen 100% reasonable GamerGaters get viciously attacked by aGGers simply for disagreeing–legitimately–and I’ve seen 100% reasonable aGGers get the same.

            There are inherent drawbacks to amorphous groups, like OccupyWallStreet, the Tea Party and GamerGate, and that is that your movement necessarily gets defined by extremists and ideological opponents seeking to cynically use those extremists as a pretext for dismissing legitimate concerns. There is no “getting the rest of GG to stop.”

            It’s up to individuals to press forward, not an amorphous group.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “It’s up to individuals to press forward”

            Sure, then stop defending Gjoni’s harassment campaign and stop lying about GG’s targets.

            If you’re an individual, then there’s no reason to defend any of this, is there?

          • Perplexico

            I don’t seem to recall ever defending Gjoni or “his harassment campaign.” Both he and Quinn, honestly, seem like people I never, ever, ever want to meet.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You’ve been defending GG this whole time. Not sure if you missed it, but that’s the harassment campaign we’re talking about.

            Do any GGers care about reality more than misogyny? Is it possible for you to police the libel coming from your own? Show me.

          • Perplexico

            That’s your personal narrative– that “GG is the harassment campaign.” If you were talking about #BurgerandFries (or whatever it was), I’d agree with you. “The name” already changed, however, to focus on various other issues. Doing so again will result in, likewise, trolls or extremists co-opting the message again.

            I see disagreement (and condemnation) on KiA pretty regularly. My experience is anecdotal, and I doubt you’d take me at my word for it, so I’d tell you to read it on your own if you’re interested in the reality.

            I don’t agree with your characterization that Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian, etc., are villified out of misogyny, though. Are there elements of misogyny? Yes, absolutely. Quinn makes the strongest case for misogyny, and Wu/Sarkeesian the weakest, I’d argue, but characterizing it as “misogyny” is rather meaningless.

            People attack differences and perceived weaknesses. As I mentioned, I’m LGBT, and when I’m on Xbox Live, or PSN, or Steam chat, and get into an argument, I inevitably get called homophobic slurs. That doesn’t mean that those people are necessarily homophobic, but that they’re lashing out in a way they think will have the most impact (and they’re generally right). Genderized attacks (i.e., “You skank!” or worse–I’m not sure what will be filtered on this site) are along the same lines, and may be misogynistic, but aren’t necessarily indicative that misogyny itself is to blame.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” If you were talking about #BurgerandFries ”

            Name one person from BurgerandFries who wasn’t welcomed with open arms into GG.

            “I doubt you’d take me at my word for it,”

            I don’t. I would take your actions for it, though. Where are you working to counter the lies and harassment coming from GG?

            “That doesn’t mean that those people are necessarily homophobic,”

            If you find yourself arguing whether something is really bigoted or is just using bigoted slurs to make someone feel bad, it’s time to reevaluate your life.

          • Perplexico

            Again, you’re pretending like an amorphous movement has an authority or committee who stamps approvals on who “joins” it, more fallacious reasoning. I’ve disagreed and condemned other posters on KiA, and on Twitter. I’m an anecdotal example. I’ve seen many others do the same on KiA–also anecdotal. You can read for yourself.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m not looking for a committee. I’m looking for one single example of GG correcting the lies coming from their side. Just one.

          • Perplexico

            Again, this sentiment just shows that you don’t know what you’re dealing with and you’re relying on hearsay to judge a movement. I did a cursory search for recent threads involving Quinn–again, Quinn isn’t a popular topic on KiA because she’s almost exclusively pure drama–and I immediately found examples of people being called out by everybody else for being wrong or misguided.

            Example #1: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2q1y9z/zoe_quinn_who_has_doxxed_multiple_people_and/

            Example #2:
            http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2p28d4/zoe_quinn_steals_another_developers_code_forgets/

            Example #3:

            http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2pu3cf/mike_cernovich_zoe_quinn_and_margaret_pless_tried/

            Top posts are calling out BS or “correcting lies.” Again, this is from a few seconds of searching.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Top post of the first link is about kicking Quinn off Patreon.

            Look, if GG wasn’t pro-libeling and harassing Quinn, there would’t be hundreds of GG on this thread libelling and harassing quinn with no GG’s calling them out.

            This seems very basic.

          • Perplexico

            Moving the goalposts, are we? I’ve never seen that before!

            The first post of the first link is specifically condemning the attempt to get Quin kicked off Patreon and is full of people who agree. The 2nd is full of “you’re upset over nothing, there’s no wrongdoing here.” The third is full of people calling out Mike Cernovich–a total moron that aGGers love to trot out as being a good example of the typical GGer–for being an idiot.

            Failing to concede that I met your challenge is a total intellectual concession on your part. Bury your head in the sand all you want–all it does is demonstrate that you’ve got an ideological axe to grind, and are totally uninterested in reality.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “The third is full of people calling out Mike Cernovich”

            Yet, there’s a GG right now on this thread using his talking points. Why not deal with that?

          • Perplexico

            I don’t pretend to be aware of everything that’s going on on the Internet at all times. You, however, made it a point to paint a picture of GG as a monolithic entity that’s set on harassing women–a picture that certainly isn’t painted by KiA.

            Likewise, you further asserted or otherwise implied that GG never calls anybody out for lying, or being wrong, or misguided, etc, which I demonstrated to you–after you asked for “just one example”–is false.

            The trouble with painting simplistic generalizations of your opponents is that they rarely have any basis in reality–doing so only serves to scream from the rooftops “Look how uninterested in reality I am.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look, this is your priority list right now:
            1. Making people stop talking about GG’s harassment.
            2. Bunch of other stuff
            3. Stopping GG’s harassment.

            Spin it however you want.

          • Perplexico

            You don’t get to determine my priorities. You can make assertions, based on extremely limited data, about what my priorities are, but that’s of extremely limited use. I’ve probably spent too much time replying to you, that’s true, but in no way does that make your case for you.

            You’ve pivoted away from the claims you were making earlier. Either you’re too egotistical to admit “Yes, I was wrong to make absolutist statements” and your solution is to either make specious claims about “my priorities” or you’re simply too jaded to see reality for what it is. Either way, a waste of proverbial breath.

            There is no way to “stop GG’s harassment.” Again, your repeated characterization of GG as a single entity is both misguided and fallacious. You can “spin” that however you want–again, all you’ve done is show how very little interested you are in reality.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I know, but I can judge them.

            “There is no way to “stop GG’s harassment.””

            Everyone working against it thinks otherwise. Maybe join them.

          • Perplexico

            Circular logic. “All the people who believe they can stop GG’s harassment are working to stop harassment.”

            You can’t stop criticism (much of what is regularly characterized as “harassment” is simply criticism), and you can’t stop legitimate harassment without severely impacting free discussion.

            We have to, as a society, determine the appropriate balance between allowing those discussions or making the tools so restrictive that you end up with ideological echo chambers or the inability to connect with people–with removes the reason why people are on services like Twitter to begin with.

            You don’t get to live in a free society and a society where nobody can offend anybody else. And if you’ve found a way to create one, enjoy your Nobel prize.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Circular logic. ” No, that’s a tautology.

            “you can’t stop legitimate harassment”

            Turns out that blocking people who follow GG’s worst harassers does stop 95% of it, yeah.

            Maybe take it up with the worst harassers?

            “You don’t get to live in a free society and a society where nobody can offend anybody else.”

            If you think rape threats and calls to family members are criticism, free speech, or just “offensive,” then go away forever, nobody is ever going to care what you have to say.

          • Perplexico

            If you think rape threats and calls to family members are criticism, free speech, or just “offensive,” then go away forever, nobody is ever going to care what you have to say.

            Congratulations. You totally vanquished that strawman. What I said was that criticism, threats, and harassment are all an inevitable consequence of free speech. You can’t make it impossible for someone to criticize, to offend, to insult, or even to threaten, without impacting free speech, and it’s a balancing game of protecting the two.

            Your bad-faith response is precisely why no progress is ever made. Your approach is combative, totally refuse to admit when you’re wrong, are incapable of conceding any point–your strategy is completely self-defeating.

            Let me know how that works out for you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “are all an inevitable consequence of free speech”

            Nope. They’re an inevitable consequence of abusive assholes being abusive, like, say, the majority of GG.

            You can make it illegal to threaten. We already do. We just think the laws should be enforced.

            “why no progress is ever made”

            You just said you have no interest in preventing harassment. I want to. There is no middle ground. What progress could be made?

          • Perplexico

            Your statement of “nope” is totally meaningless, and you’ve committed yet another strawman fallacy. Nowhere did I ever state “I have no interest in preventing harassment.”

            In fact, I said the opposite–that it’s a balancing game of protecting free speech while dealing with abuse. I repeat: You are arguing from bad faith.

            Either your reading comprehension is so poor that you’re coincidentally reading everything I say to mean (X)–which you’re claiming–or you’re arguing in completely bad faith and justifying it after the fact becasue “there’s no middle ground to be had,” because naturally I’m diametrically opposed to you on nearly everything.

            I probably agree with you on virtually every social issue. And yet, here you are, as hostile as ever. Totally uninterested in reality. A complete ideologue.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” Nowhere did I ever state “I have no interest in preventing harassment.””

            Nope your actions just show that.

            If you want to prevent harassment, argue against the people libeling Quinn on this thread instead of the people who think libel is wrong. This is not complicated.

            “I probably agree with you on virtually every social issue.”

            Except the relevant one that no amount of video game reviews can possibly justify what GG is doing to people?

          • Perplexico

            My actions do not, in fact, “show that.” Sorry. Not buying your narrative unquestioningly doesn’t constitute “showing no interest in preventing harassment.” Not focusing on your preferred posts similarly does not make your argument. You end with yet more fallacious reasoning and strawmen.

            Where are people making the argument that “video game reviews justify what ‘GG’ is doing to (X) individuals”? If (X) person threatens or harasses (Y) person, that culpability rests with (X) person. Nobody else. Your fallacious attribution of the actions of individuals to an anormophous movement is the source of almost everything you’re wrong about, and you’re using as a flimsy pretext for dismissing a wide range of legitimate issues. The same thing conservatives did with OccupyWallStreet and BlackLivesMatter. It’s BS when conservatives do it, and it’s BS when liberals do it. Stop using it as a crutch.

          • ReallyNotThough

            That’s your opinion.

            I can see what you’re doing with my own eyes, thanks.

            All you have to do is work with me to counter GG’s lies in this thread.

            You won’t.

            Because misogyny is more important to your movement than truth.

            Stop replying if you don’t want to show action.

          • Perplexico

            Translation: No interest in reality, “do what I say or you’re a misogynist.”

            Rejected.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. “Address harassment or I’ll assume you don’t want to address harassment”

            Tautology, again.

          • Perplexico

            Mm-hm. Have fun with that.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “you’ve got an ideological axe to grind,”

            Says the guy more invested in having people stop talking about harassment than stopping harassment.

          • Perplexico

            I have no “axe to grind” other than calling people out for intellectual dishonesty–a problem that’s incredibly common on both sides of the argument, and I personally call people out on both sides for. I’m interested in making things better, not determining who’s “to blame” for harassment.

            If Quinn (or Wu, etc) were actually interested in eliminating (or reducing) harassment, they could easily do so by an enormous percentage by not continuing the eternal flamewar that’s going on. It gets them national attention, notoriety and, in some cases, money, so I’m not surprised why the storm rages ever-on.

      • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America
        • Perplexico

          That doesn’t really prove your point. You searched on the biggest forum for GG thought and almost all the results are months old. So much for that constant harassment campaign.. Not doing a very good job of it, are they?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “almost all”

            Some good weasel words right there.

          • Perplexico

            Uhh, no. Maybe you should try actually following the guy’s link. Nice intellectual dishonesty right there.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I see a bunch submitted this month. I don’t really have time to go through the thousands and find which are recent.

            Let’s just focus on that: thousands. For a woman in no way connected to any issues of ethics. Think about how insane that is.

          • Perplexico

            She’s been harassed–and that’s terrible. I’ve seen her harassment decried across the field, even by people who think she’s done a lot wrong herself. However, to claim that she’s “in no way connected” is wrong. The original grievances surrounding her haven’t been dispelled–she slept with a bunch of people that gave her works coverage with no disclosure. That isn’t on her–it’s on them. She still has a place in the story, though.

            Your basic logic is that “GG cares about Zoe Quinn, so therefore GamerGate is a misogynistic sham.” Am I wrong? Your logic is faulty, however. You’re dealing with a huge number of people, and certain aspects are important to certain people. Is there an element of misogyny? Absolutely. Is there an element of harassment of these women? Absolutely. That doesn’t mean that “GamerGate is about harrassment” any more than, as another poster put it earlier, that #BlackLivesMatter is about shooting cops because there’s been violence against cops as a part of the campaign. You’re making association fallacies, and I’ve read KiA every day for months, and Quinn is rarely talked about, and when she is, it’s marked “drama” and other nonsense.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I’ve seen her harassment decried across the field, even by people who think she’s done a lot wrong herself. ”

            Then GG should probably stop lying about and harassing her. Hell, there’s GG on this very thread pushing the sex for coverage lie.

            “Your basic logic is that “GG cares about Zoe Quinn, so therefore GamerGate is a misogynistic sham.””

            Nope, my logic is that GG only acts out of misogyny and not ethics, thus it is a misogynistic sham.

            ” You’re dealing with a huge number of people,”

            A couple of thousand aren;t really that many.

            “Is there an element of harassment of these women? Absolutely.”

            Then get rid of that element before you complain about people noticing it.

          • Perplexico

            Your entire argument is based on fallacious reasoning. Holding an amorphous group responsible for the actions of everyone who even loosely identifies with it is pointless, and an exercise in simply dismissing concerns out of expediency.

            This has happened across the political spectrum. The right dismissed OccupyWallStreet the same way, the left dismissed the Tea Party the same way, and now the radical left is trying to dismiss GamerGate. Such dismissals are a blatant attempt to use ideological identities–i.e., tribalism, as a convenient means for not having to address legitimate concerns.

            I’m not sure your assertion that “there are only a couple of thousand” GamerGaters. There are 35,000 subscribers alone on KiA, and who knows how many on 4chan/8chan. And those are only the most dedicated and interested who actually subscribe. There’s a huge backlash against the same type of so-called “SJW” dislike that bleeds over from the normal left vs. right divide into GamerGate, and plenty of right-wingers involved, but part of it, in addition to “ethics,” is definitely a pushback against radical feminism ideology.

            Personally, I’m left-leaning and LGBT myself, and find both the tactics and groupthink used by aGG self-defeating, misguided and, at times, immoral. But your claim that “they” should “get rid of that element” simply highlights that you don’t know what you’re dealing with, and that such a thing is intrinsically impossible.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Holding an amorphous group responsible for the actions of everyone who even loosely identifies with it is pointless,”

            I have yet to see a single GG confront another GG for lying.

            Want to prove me wrong? Go tell at least one person on this thread that Quinn never had sex for reviews. Just one. Go ahead now.

            Seriously, I;m not going to take it on faith that any GG care about ethics more than misogyny, because I have never seen anything to indicate that this is true.

            “There are 35,000 subscribers alone on KiA,”

            They sure don’t post a lot of content.

          • TombaHat

            I called mundane Matt out on many occasions for being a piece of shit

          • ReallyNotThough

            Good on you. Now you just have to keep at it until the other thousands of harassers no longer feel supported by the movement.

          • Mohamed Mahdi

            I wouldn’t be surprised if only about 5% of the 35000 on KIA are actually gamergaters

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            But the other 95% just happen to post on a subreddit that happens to be one of the de facto bases for GamerGate?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Oh, you wanted evidence that GG are STILL talking about her actively, not that it’s something that doesn’t happen? Idk, I guess you could hit ‘sorted by: new’ or whatever.

    • EpicFails

      Yeah, no gaters here o_O

      • blackbetty

        What is it about this apparent lack of reading comprehension? I just stated that when articles like these pop up, it draws attention.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Yes, and they draw attention because GG does indeed care about coming here and lying about Zoe Quinn.

          • blackbetty

            Ok. I’ve said my piece. I’ll leave the tinfoil hat stuff to you guys. Good day. :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha yes it is such a crazed conspiracy theory to think that people spreading lies about Quinn right now as we speak actually want to make Quinn’s life worse.

        • EpicFails

          GGs in this comment section know every scrap of gossip on Quinn and seem desperate for more. They are drooling for opportunities to lash out at Quinn. It is really pathetic.

  • Arsalan

    Interesting article. A good example of how to write a propaganda piece.

    “Journalists” keep defending a serial domestic abuser and a member of a notorious online trolling forum that harassed and bullied people whilst simultaneously painting her abused partner who outed her as the monster. And still people refuse to acknowledge that journalists doing all of that, amongst various other things, is completely unethical. They don’t stop there though. They want the the abused partner to go to jail or even die.

    Great propaganda piece.

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      **”Gators” keep defending a serial domestic abuser and a member of a notorious online trolling forum that harassed and bullied people whilst simultaneously painting his abused partner who outed him as the monster. And still people refuse to acknowledge that Gators doing all of that, amongst various other things, is completely unethical. They don’t stop there though. They want the the abused partner to go to jail or even die.**

      Looks like you got a few of your pronouns mixed up there, bro. Don’t worry, I FTFY.

      • Arsalan

        Thanks, bro. Though I do think you got a few things mixed up.

        First, I don’t think it was Eron who knowingly exposed his partner to various STDs. Nor was it Eron who mentally abused his partner through gaslighting and other orms of mental abuse.

        Secondly, Eron was not a member of Hell Dump, Chelsea was. For those not in the know, you can Google Hell Dump. It’s a forum for online troling, stalking and harassing where a target is picked and harassed and bullied until they hopefully kill themselves. And Chelsea, aka Zoe Quinn, was a member of that forum. Quite addicted to it as well, as she herself admitted.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          The STDs she got from the five guys she didn’t have sex with, right?

          • Arsalan

            Exposing herself and by extension her partner, then lying to her partner about getting tested, according to her own words.

            I guess so?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            See though, in order for that STD thing to be true, the Five Guys thing would have to be true as well. Which it’s not.

          • Arsalan

            Weird, because she admitted it herself in the chat logs. On top of that, the journalists and others involved have acknowledged an intimate partnership from what I read way back.

          • ReallyNotThough

            The chat logs provided and edited by her stalker? Ya seem legit.

          • Arsalan

            She still has them on her FB as well, unless she has gotten rid of that FB. She can present them. or she can contest that the ones he provided are faked and edited, which she has not done from what I recall.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            She definitely admitted to meeting him in March.

        • facefault

          The fascinating thing about GG is the way members:
          1) Take jokes or sarcasm
          2) Tell other members of GG they were serious… and the other members believe them.
          The other members than repeat these over and over for months, until the claims become an article of faith to them. They reach to the point that even when they Google the original source themselves, look at the context, and see it was a joke, they cannot admit they believed a lie.

    • ReallyNotThough

      If interviewing Gators is propaganda, maybe you all should just stay quiet forever to avoid such problems in the future.

      • Arsalan

        If the author of this propaganda piece included the actual interviews instead of taking single sentences from 3 hour interviews, create his own context by using events unrelated to the sentence in question and make up his own version of the interview, then I would have not declared it a propaganda piece. As it stands however, it is nothing more than a propaganda piece.

        Eron has a piece up on his blog about how the author went to work chopping up the interviews to adhere to a certain narrative:

        http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

        Interesting indeed. As I said before: a great propaganda piece.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “Eron has a piece up on his blog about how the author went to work chopping up the interviews”

          Well sure, if an admitted abuser who tries to blame Zoe for GG’s attacks on women said something, it MUST be true!!!!

          • Arsalan

            Eron is an admitted abuser?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yep. He has openly talked about running the harassment mob behind the scenes and hoping to bully Quinn into therapy.

          • Arsalan

            Then surely you have evidence of Eron being the super secret puppet master running GamerGate from hidden IRC channels from the DarkNet?

          • ReallyNotThough
          • Arsalan

            Exactly what is he doing? He did not make it a secret that he was talking to people who were asking him. Where is the evidence he was running a harassment campaign solely targeted at her? That conversation you linked is from him talking about doing other work, then someone chiming in, and him saying he’s doing that other work.

            That is not evidence, my friend.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then look up all the other stuff he;s said about waging an internet war against Quinn.

            I get it. You got conned into being this dude’s private army. It sucks. But don’t shoot the messengers.

          • Arsalan

            Ofcourse it became an internet war: journalists started defending an outed abuser because they were friends with her, and the people who saw through that were calling them out. It did spiral into an internet war. And where did that start? With the outing of Chelsea as an abusive partner. Who was the abused partner? Eron. So why you would think he would not feel involved, is beyond me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            And Eron’s still “fighting” that war, in his own words.

            “Who was the abused partner? Eron.”

            Eron is now an abuser and a gaslighter; why would you believe anything he says?

          • Arsalan

            He has a gag order on him while his abuser has free reign to call him the worst things under the sun, anywhere, while he isn’t allowed to defend himself as that would violate the order. Anyone in that situation would feel as if they are still fighting that war.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He has a gag order on him”

            Yeah, well, if he didn;t want one, not encouraging, coaching, and giving info to people who want to hurt his ex might have been a good idea.

            “his abuser has free reign to call him the worst things under the sun”

            Like what?

          • Arsalan

            Except he didn’t encourage or coach people who wanted to hurt someone. No matter how many times you say it, it won’t make it true. It will just make people bored of that talking point of yours and stop taking you seriously.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right those times when he said burgersandfries were great and that the movement should do more to drive her into therapy didn’t happen. Sure.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Talking about doing other work. When asked about GG. AKA the harassment campaign targeting Zoe Quinn.

          • Arsalan

            Actually, if you read that conversation, you will see he posted first about doing equations on his laptop. He is a coder after all. Then someone else chimed in.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            And then someone else chimed in asking about GG, and he responded to the post about GG “I am doing a lot more in the background.”

        • BusterNaeslund

          Define propaganda piece and show me evidence that this article is one. Or eat your fish sea lion.

    • The Original Chicken Hawk

      Are you sure that you’re posting to the right article? This is an excellent article which dispassionately exposes the entire scandal to the present. Sure the author gives him some time to talk, but there is plenty of evidence of the monster within that pathetic person.

      If you want ‘red meat’ go to the blogs or even this comment section. Trust me, I’m not that familiar with the whole GG thing, mostly I didn’t pay much attention to it at all, but reading this story made me certain that Gjoni is an evil this world would be better without; he’s clearly a sociopath.

      • Arsalan

        Oh yes, I am quite sure I posted it to the right article. What the article fails to mention is the abuse Eron suffered at the hands of Chelsea, aka Zoe Quinn. A partner who has been abused to that extent is perfectly within his rights to out that abusive partner to the world. We should welcome abused partners outing their abusers, not writing propaganda pieces that encourage comments along the lines of hoping for imprisonment of the abused partner or their death. Shouldn’t we?

        • ReallyNotThough

          At what point of outing abuse do you need to go online to talk to people sending her rape threats, and give them advice, praise, and information about their target?

          • Arsalan

            Let’s turn that around for a bit. Eron has received the same threats Chelsea has. From her friends and fans. And yet, she goes online and praises her friends and fans. Is she guilty of what you accuse Eron of?

            Or, let’s look at it from a different angle. Sports teams and sports stars regularly talk to their fans. The same fans who include a portion of fans who regularly send abuse and threats to opposing teams and sports stars. Is that sports star guilty of the threats sent by his fans or the teams’ fans to the opposing team’s fans and stars?

          • Mohamed Mahdi

            Yes. They guy has been threatened, but way less than zoe and the people that were defending her also.

          • Arsalan

            Good to see you at least acknowledge some of the harassment and threats sent to Eron by Chelsea’s fans and friends. Maybe that’s a tiny step in the right direction here.

          • ReallyNotThough

            In the sports team analogy, what is the “sports” of burgersandfries? Pretty sure it was entirely about harassing Zoe.

          • Arsalan

            Read my post and reply to the content, please. Thanks.

          • ReallyNotThough

            The content makes no sense. Please explain how a group dedicated solely to harassing a woman is not dedicated primarily to harassing a woman.

          • Arsalan

            I have yet to see evidence that is the sole purpose of GamerGate. Unfortunately for a lot of Western media and Chelsea’s friends and fans, I come from a country where propaganda like this is pretty common and we spot it from a mile away. So if you want to convince me, you better have solid evidence as to your claims.

          • ReallyNotThough

            We were talking about burgersandfries, learn to read.

          • Arsalan

            My question still stands. As does my analogy. If you want to derail this further, that is your choice.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, burgersandfries was solely about harassing Quinn.

          • Arsalan

            Proof?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The name.

          • Arsalan

            I fail to see how the name is evidence of a harassment campaign

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then look it up.

        • Mohamed Mahdi

          I do agree that he should have talked about how she may have abused her, but the way he dealt with the abuse destroyed her life and hurt a ton of people that literally had nothing to do with their relationship also. If he wanted to really talk about the abuse and find a way to deal with it he should have used an outlet that would cause the least amount of damage to zoe and everyone else that had nothing to do with the relationship at all.

        • The Original Chicken Hawk

          The article deliberately avoids the random unproven accusations of the ‘The Zoe Post’, but explores the story behind and because of it. e.g. Journalism.

          • Arsalan

            Unproven they are not, since they are the actual chat logs between Eron and Chelsea. Nothing unproven about them. Even Chelsea does not contest them.

          • The Original Chicken Hawk

            I don’t care, in most ways they are completely irrelevant to the story.

          • Arsalan

            Except they are not. When you discount any of Eron’s claims and justifications for outing his abuser by discarding the actual evidence, but have no problem spouting the abuser’s side of the story about harassment resulting from those claims, you do actually care.

    • Mohamed Mahdi

      If they were really defending zoe they would have not given Eron room to speak. You don’t need articles like this anyway to figure out who the guy really is. His actions on sites like twitter and reddit can easily help you figure out who he is and they don’t show him in a good light.

      • Arsalan

        The author of this piece took 3 hour interviews and used a couple of sentences around context he himself created, throwing out the actual context surrounding the so called “quotes” presented in this article.

        So yes, they really are defending Zoe when they do that to Eron.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          The context? You mean the harassment campaign he sparked? It doesn’t look much better there either, tbh.

          • Arsalan

            If outing your abusive partner counts as a harassment campaign, let’s hope you never get to edit a dictionary.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            You can hope, I’m going for a lexicographer degree right now!

    • BusterNaeslund

      Hey, would someone call animal control? We have a sea lion here!

  • Salguod Xam

    Any pro GG person who reads how Gjoni has conducted himself, and does not see a problem with his actions, is in serious need of some ethics counseling of their own.

    Lets start with this core problem – common to immature romance, but writ large here. HE, put Zoe, on a pedestal in his mind. Then HE, obsessed on her failing to live up to that false notion of who she was.

    Anytime i’ve been in a relationship with someone and they have idealized me, i’ve actually called them on it as a result of experiencing lessor forms of this kind of delusional romantic projecting. I’m nice about it, I just say, please don’t do that, don’t put me on a pedestal. I’m not perfect, and when I fall off that unrealistic mount, it will hurt us both.

    But rather than working on recognizing and accounting for his own his own misconceptions, Gjoni dedicated his time to abusing the subject of them, abusing her!

    That is deeply ethically wrong, on every single imaginable count.

    it should be criminal. Were it done outside of the digital realm it would be already.

    • Arsalan

      So you are blaming an abused partner because he was a romantic? And since when is outing an abusive partner something you go to jail for?

      • FanofFacts

        He wasn’t romantic, he was (and still is) delusional.

      • Salguod Xam

        He was never abused.

        • Arsalan

          Mental abuse and exposing your partner to STDs on purpose do not count as “no abuse”.

          • Salguod Xam

            Every time you have sex with someone, you are exposed to risk from STDs of some kind. Even with protection there are a number that won’t stop. It was high risk behaviour sure, in an immature and dysfunctional relationship.

            But if you think THAT is abuse, but rallying a mob to ruin your ex’s life isn’t, you’re a walking disaster in the making buddy.

            And nothing i’ve read that Quinn did come even close to the level of mental abuse he’s leveled against her, either during or after their little 6 month fling.

            You’re sense of scale and justice is seriously perverse.

          • Arsalan

            Except ofcourse Eron did not really a mob to ruin his ex’s life. Eron subscribes to the same ideology Chelsea does: bad people need to be outed. That is what he did. He did it on a number of forums, until someone from those forums saw it and posted screencaps on 4chan. Where they proceeded to abuse Eron through name calling and various other methods.

            Also, lying to your partner you got tested then admitting you lied about taking the test, after having intercourse with other people, then having intercourse with your partner… I don’t know man. That is downright abusive behaviour right there.

          • Salguod Xam

            No, he had nothing to do with creating a mob at all [slow nod].

            You’re right, you don’t know.

            good luck in real life kido.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “he was a romantic”

        I’m not sure what books you’re reading, but helping a mob stalk your ex is not romantic.

        • Arsalan

          Useless reply. Did not read the post I replied to. Misunderstood the context. Possibly on purpose? Who knows.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I’m just saying that stalking isn’t romantic, and your attempts to make it so are creepy.

          • Arsalan

            What is the definition of stalking that you are working under? The dictionary definition? The legal definition? And how does that definition apply to Eron?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The one where you call hotels to find out where she’s stayed and then post the results to a forum that wants to harass her into suicide.

          • Arsalan

            Did not answer my question.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Oh, here, let me help you. The one where you find out the whereabouts of your estranged ex so you can make her miserable.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Let me ask you, what definition of stalking DOES NOT include trying to track someone’s wherabouts and disclosing them to people who mean her harm?

          • Arsalan

            Still no actual definition and the application of that definition to Eron. Weird.

          • ReallyNotThough

            http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Stalking

            “Criminal activity consisting of the repeated following and harassing of another person.Stalking is a distinctive form of criminal activitycomposed of a series of actions that taken individually might constitute legal behavior. For example, sending flowers, writing love notes, andwaiting for someone outside her place of work are actions that, on their own, are not criminal. When these actions are coupled with an intentto instill fear or injury, however, they may constitute a pattern of behavior that is illegal.”

            Tracking her movements? Following. Congratulating people for threatening to rape her? Repeated pattern of harassment. There ya go.

            You get that a judge already decided this, right?

          • Arsalan

            Where did Eron follow her. As in specifically followed her? Where did Eron congratulate people for threatening to rape her?

            The definition you linked to states: “Criminal activity consisting of the repeated following and harassing of another person…When these actions are coupled with an intentto instill fear or injury, however, they may constitute a pattern of behavior that is illegal.”

            That is what you have to prove according to the definition you just used. So prove that Eron was physically following her and harassing her and that this was coupled with an intention to instill fear or injury. That’s important, the last part. As that is the test you need to fulfill.

          • ReallyNotThough

            When. He. Called. Hotels. To. Track. Her. Movements.

            Is this really hard?

            Is your life really so sad that you feel a need to argue whether something is technically stalking or just really creepy and threatening? Is this what your parents dreamed for you?

          • Arsalan

            I am a stickler for the law. After all, unless it is illegal and proven so why should I believe you? I learned that from Chelsea.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Man, you remind me of my English teachers, always making people come up with ways to rephrase the same thing.

          • Arsalan

            From someone who’s on their way to becoming a lexicographer, that is mighty praise indeed. Too bad English isn’t even my native tongue.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Good for you?

          • BusterNaeslund

            Shut up sea lion.

      • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

        LOL ROMANTIC
        That’s some serious gaslighting shit right there.

    • ReallyNotThough
      • Salguod Xam

        Sure, if you think Natural Born Killers was romantic, rather than the depiction of society’s fixation on sociopaths and the american propensity to cast them as brazen and daring individualists…

    • AQ

      Anyone who is pro GamerGate is pretty much a misogynist who thinks that stalking is A-OK when it’s a woman that you don’t like.

      • Arsalan

        Can you define misogynist?

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          RHETORIC. FAILING. REGRESSING TO. CHILDLIKE STATE.

        • Bobby

          Misogynist: A person (especially a man) who disagrees with a feminist and has the nerve to do so out loud.

          ^ according to SJWs and aGG

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I think discussing your ex’ genital odor with people who want to harass her into suicide counts as well.

          • Arsalan

            Actually, the dictionary definition of misogyny is different.

    • Dexter

      If by “put her on a pedestal” you mean “Believed her when she told him things about who she was, and what she believed” then yea that’s ABSOLUTELY what he did. *EYEROLL*

      • Salguod Xam

        No, by pedestal, I mean imagining ANYONE is a “perfect ethical thing.” And then blaming them for not being one and attacking them for it.

        And note his use of “thing”.

        Not person, thing.

        • Smazeli

          Do you think it’s unrealistic for someone to expect their romantic partner to not rampantly cheat on them?

          Or is it just too much to expect that from Zoe?

          • ReallyNotThough

            In what universe is sex while on a break “cheating”?

            Also, is it reasonable to expect people to stop threatening to rape a woman over a lie?

          • Smazeli

            “Also, is it reasonable to expect people to stop threatening to rape a woman over a lie?”

            Yes! But “hey look there’s also some shitheads on the internet” is a pretty terrible deflection from her misdeeds. Unless it’s your intention to imply that Quinn is acting as bad as internet trolls.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “misdeeds”

            Having sex with someone else on a break isn’t a misdeed, nor is it my business.

            A rampant campaign of harassment based on lies is, though.

          • Smazeli

            Again, where did he lie about her?

            “Having sex with someone else on a break isn’t a misdeed, nor is it my business.”

            With five other people. Gjoni is not the only person she hurt, you realize this right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, the campaign is based on the lie that Zoe had sex for reviews. Don’t know if Gjoni pushed that particular lie, but he did support the campaign based on it.

            “With five other people.” Only one of whom provably happened.

            ” Gjoni is not the only person she hurt”

            If you’re hurt by someone sleeping around while on a break you might want to just break up instead of going on a break.

          • Smazeli

            No, Gjoni didn’t publish that lie, and most of GG is aware that she received positive coverage and not reviews. She’s admitted to this on twitter several times.

            “Only one of whom provably happened.”

            She confessed to all five of them. Several of her other boyfriends have confirmed it. Nearly everyone directly involved has confirmed it. What else do you need?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “most of GG is aware that she received positive coverage and not reviews”

            She recieved neither. Time moves forward, not backward. Stop lying.

            “She confessed to all five of them.”

            Nope.

          • Smazeli

            “She recieved neither.”

            She actually did, from Grayson, whom she was sleeping with. You can still see his articles for yourself, they haven’t been taken down.

            Also, simply saying “nope” and continuing to deny the proof being put in front of your face won’t make it go away.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Those articles came out in March.

            They dated in April.

            Kotaku writers cannot time travel, best I can tell.

          • Smazeli

            Grayson wrote about Quinn prior to April, even when he worked at RockPaperShotgun.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, that’s my point, exactly.

          • Smazeli

            He was also included in the credits of Depression Quest as a special contributor prior to it’s release, of whom the game would not have been possible without. Another thing which he never disclosed. What, you think pure romance is the only type of improper relationship that needed to be disclosed?

          • ReallyNotThough

            That has what to do with sex exactly?

          • Smazeli

            Well, their relationship eventually led to sex. And even without sex it would still be typical to disclose your professional and personal relationship of the subject of your written pieces. Or at the very least tell your readers that you’re one of the contributors to the cool indie game that you “found”

          • ReallyNotThough

            “eventually led to sex”

            Which is evidence of nothing.

          • Smazeli

            It’s evidence that they had a personal and professional relationship long before Grayson’s claimed window for when they were “officially” dating. A relationship that still needed to be disclosed coming from any self-described journalist. Otherwise you leave your readers feeling deceived. As was the case here. This isn’t hard.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still waiting for any evidence of sex for coverage.

          • Salguod Xam

            Roughly 30 to 60% of all MARRIED individuals in the US engage in infidelity at some point during their marriage. 41% of divorced couples admit one or both spouses cheated. That’s MARRIED. People who actually swore not to cheat on each other.

            It’s not “good” behaviour by most peoples measure, but monogamy is also NOT the norm for any animal in the world, including us. The only aspect I think is a problem is when people lie about it. But she ended up telling him.

            We, some of us anyway, impose the false absolute of that social convention on ourselves and have propped up elaborate notions about it, that have no root in real human nature. Real human nature is to look for a mate, reproduce, stay together for about 20 years max, and then either die or move on. if you’re not having kids, the duration can and naturally is, much shorter. It’s actually rather rare to find a perfect mate you’ll always love.

            And having been in SEVERAL long term [more than 4 years] relationships, I can attest to the fact that what really happens for those is you fall in and out of love repeatedly. When it stops being a cycle, when it’s not working, you move on. I would rather people were up front with each other when they do, but many start playing the field on the side to explore their feelings first. And again, thats in LONG TERM committed relationships. THIS? This was not one. It never was. Only in HIS mind, did it seem like it was something more.

            I personally don’t fool around, because the consequences are frankly too much work.

            And I have an unusual personal appreciation for the down side of badly conducted open relationships, being the son of “the other woman” myself, born in the aftermath of the 60s. In that i’m still rare – it’s estimated only 2% to 3% of children are the product of infidelity.

            So I don’t aplaude it, but I do not consider the fact of it here, happening once or twice, in a short fairly tentative, not at all institutionalized but rather very immature relationship, as anything like abuse. They had a thing, it didn’t work out and sounds like it was unhealthy, she saw other people, he took offence to that. he did not own her, at all. ever. And has no real right to that offence.

            He is projecting ownership over someone who never that i’ve read, swore absolute monogamous fidelity to him, or denied it once he bizarrely harangued her into talking about all this AFTER they broke up. His indignation reads more like immature possessiveness than anything else. Add to this, he actually manipulated her into buying him a ticket to SF, only to hide out and harass her from a library rather than talk to her like a human?

            And again, nothing that happened in the course of their time together, justifies what he’s done to her life.

          • Smazeli

            “It’s not “good” behaviour by most peoples measure, but monogamy is also
            NOT the norm for any animal in the world, including us. The only aspect I
            think is a problem is when people lie about it. But she ended up
            telling him.”

            Only after he caught her. She lied about it many, many times prior, as documented in his post.

            Still, I wasn’t expecting to get a straight answer from someone who honestly feels that it’s not realistic to expect your romantic partner to not cheat on you. That it’s “possessive” to want your partner to be faithful to you. Most of western society would disagree, but you get credit for being logically consistent.

    • Smazeli

      “Lets start with this core problem – common to immature romance, but writ
      large here. HE, put Zoe, on a pedestal in his mind. Then HE, obsessed
      on her failing to live up to that false notion of who she was.”

      Let me get this straight. Gjoni is at fault for assuming that Zoe wouldn’t cheat on him with five other men? Gjoni is at fault for assuming that Zoe wouldn’t sleep with her (married) boss? Those are the “false notions”?

      • ReallyNotThough

        He’s at fault for encouraging people who wanted to harass her into suicide.

        “Gjoni is at fault for assuming that Zoe wouldn’t sleep with her (married) boss?”

        Definitely no proof of this happening.

        • Smazeli

          “He’s at fault for encouraging people who wanted to harass her into suicide.”

          Except he’s done the opposite, specifically in his ZoePost begging people to leave her alone. And he’s said the same thing in all his interactions with 4chan. Weird how the article leaves those quotes out. Some additional reddit posts he made to /r/girlgamers talking about why he did it:

          http://np.reddit.com/r/GirlGamers/comments/2dzdz3/once_again_i_will_not_negotiate_with_terrorists/cjuuoob?context=4

          “Definitely no proof of this happening.”

          Quinn admitted to it. Her boss admitted to it. Her boss’s spouse talked about it on twitter and called Quinn out for lying about it

          https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvcNb8gCUAAGBal.png:large

          • ReallyNotThough

            “And he’s said the same thing in all his interactions with 4chan.”

            Actually he continued to give them more information, told them the best ways to harass her, and said he loved how things were shaping up.

            He still says he wouldn’t do a thing differently.

            But don’t let that stop you.

            “Quinn admitted to it.”

            Nope.

          • Smazeli

            Yes, she did. And so did her former boyfriends. Did you see the chatlogs and tweets, or are you now claiming that those are all fake?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “tweets”

            Definitely didn’t admit stuff on twitter.

            “chatlogs”

            Holy shit, no, I don;t think an abuser trying to work around his restraining order is a reliable source, no.

          • Smazeli

            Yep, here are some tweets:

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvcNb8gCUAAGBal.png:large

            https://i.imgur.com/ArVqTfE.jpg

            http://i.imgur.com/okLzlvJ.png

            “Holy shit, no, I don;t think an abuser trying to work around his restraining order is a reliable source, no.”

            Publicly and honestly talking about your abuser is not a form of abuse. Wait, are you saying that Quinn’s facebook chatlogs don’t count? Why, don’t you believe her?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Again, none of these sources are reliable, none are in context, none can even be verified to be true.

            People not in your cult have standards for evidence, you know.

          • Smazeli

            Twitter isn’t a reliable source? You do know how to use google to find these exact tweets, yes? I thought everyone did.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Can you show me where they are on Twitter.com?

            Screencaps by a hate group known to photoshop, say, Veerender’s tweets, are not reliable. Why would they be?

          • Smazeli

            Enter “site:twitter.com” into your google search bar. Then type the author, and the content of the tweet (tweet content must be in quotes)

          • ReallyNotThough

            How about you prove your own point?

          • Smazeli

            I just did….? You wanted to know how to find them, so I explained how. You’re welcome.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, do your own work.

          • Smazeli

            It’s not my work, I already saw the tweets. You’re the one asked to see them, remember? They’re right there. I can’t type and move your mouse for you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I asked to see a reputable source. Still waiting.

          • Smazeli

            There have been reputable sources posted, but you either think that they’re all fake (facebook logs, videos of said logs) or you don’t want to move your mouse and click links to see for yourself (twitter).

          • ReallyNotThough

            Logs posted by an abuser are not reputable, why would they be?

            You could always find them and link them to me yourself.

          • Smazeli

            Why wouldn’t Zoe Quinn’s facebook chatlogs be reputable? They’re good enough as evidence in a court of law

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because they’re provided by her abuser and can’t be authenticated elsewhere.

            “They’re good enough as evidence in a court of law”

            Sure I’ll bet moon court is going to get right on that.

          • Smazeli

            He posted a video of himself opening facebook, browsing it, and opening up the same exact chatlogs via Quinn’s profile. Are you suggesting the functioning facebook page was also faked? Serious question.

        • Smazeli

          “He’s at fault for encouraging people who wanted to harass her into suicide.”

          No, the post specifically blamed him for having lofty expectations of Quinn. I’m asking what those lofty expectations were. Not having affairs?

          “Definitely no proof of this happening.”

          I love when people cry out about “no proof”. Here you go:

          https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvcNb8gCUAAGBal.png:large

      • Salguod Xam

        Show me where she swore undying fidelity and monogamy. 6 month fling does not = ownership.

        And again, he, HE, imagined her as a “perfect ethical thing”, while she spent a lot of the time talking about how UN perfect and messed up she was. HE got involved with someone with issues, who was honest with him about those issues. And he deludedly ignored that and imagined her, as a “thing”, not person, a THING, without flaws.

        Any and all disappointment following that is on him.

        Any abuse thrown on her for being honest and ignored, and simply being who she said she was, is ethically twisted and deeply abusive.

        • Smazeli

          You’re seriously going to insist that its unrealistic to expect monogamy in a typical romantic relationship in a western society?

          “And again, he, HE, imagined her as a “perfect ethical thing”, while she
          spent a lot of the time talking about how UN perfect and messed up she
          was.”

          Quinn said that cheating in a relationship is a form of rape, because it involves you misrepresenting yourself to another person in an effort to trick them into having sex with you. Was she lying here, or does she really consider herself a rapist?

          “HE got involved with someone with issues, who was honest with him about those issues.”

          She was honest! Aside from all the documented instances where she lied about sleeping with other guys. But after she got caught she was totally honest! Also, where did Quinn represent herself as someone likely to have an affair to Gjoni? Did they have a conversation like that at some point? You’ll have to link me to that part.

          But other than that, wow, you are seriously blaming Gjoni for not knowing that she would eventually have multiple affairs.

          For someone who doesn’t like seeing women as things, you seem to prefer robbing Quinn of any agency or personal responsibility of her own actions. The poor girl, she just couldn’t help going off and having so many affairs, why can’t people understand that?

          • Salguod Xam

            Fist, again, show me where she pledged fidelity in the first place.

            But, lets just pretend for a second that she did.

            The stats don’t lie to start, so what is unrealistic, is to condemn anyone as anything OTHER than being fallible and human, for doing what half or more of us do.

            She is not special, or evil or a criminal for simply being fallible and human. Not a horrible person, but a typical person. Not perfect, but not a monster either, you all try to portray her as. She didn’t out anyone, or take away their freedom to live, or destroy their reputation in retaliation for a personal private slight.

            So right off, what I propose, it is unrealistic to damn so vehemently, anyone as anything other than fallible and human for this.

            What is also unrealistic, is to justify his actions, by that human failing. To propose he was entitled to ruin her public life, encourage or condone others to harass her and limit her freedom.

            It is unrealistic to feel entitled to profound obsessive indignation, for something that half or more of the humans on the planet do. Something we are probably wired to do.

            It is unethical, unreasonable, unrealistic, and wildly disproportionate.

            You all have demonized her.

            Gjoni has demonized her, for what is a common behaviour, committed OUTSIDE any pledge of fidelity that would make it more than an expression of her own freedom and self agency.

            He didn’t own her, he didnt even have a pledge of fidelity. He just felt entitled to one. And he was wrong.

            And even if she had pledge such a thing, and cheated on him, his way of dealing with it was vastly disproportionate, and abusive in the extreme.

            You all, making your high minded moralistic platitudes, while condemning a women for simply being a self directed, imperfect, independent person – who never claimed to anyone she was anything else – are the worst kinds of hypocrites on the planet.

            You get to be a horible judgemtal bigoted ashole to anyone who does you even the slightest of wrongs, so long as you can convince yourself it’s righteous.

            So, no more time to be spent wasted on your likes by me today.

          • Smazeli

            Hey, can we write off Gjoni’s actions as being the result of a “self directed, imperfect, independent person”?

            No? Why is that? Because he’s a grown adult who can discern right from wrong, determine the outcome of his own actions, and is therefore responsible for them? You don’t say.

            I think you need to open your eyes to the sort of benevolent sexism in your post, in which you describe Zoe Quinn as an unthinking, irresponsible, impulsive child who simply cannot be held responsible for her actions. Because she is none of these things, she is a nearly-30 year old adult that knows better (judging from how much she’s condemned adultery on her twitter)

            “She didn’t call “out” anyone for being weird and overly intense after having paid for them to fly to see her only to into obsessive passive aggressive stalker on her. Or take away their freedom to live in public or destroy their reputation in retaliation for a personal private slight.”

            See, you’re lying. She did both of these things to Gjoni by publicly portraying him as a criminal, despite having never come close to breaking any laws. His actual crime? Telling the truth, and she feels entitled to ruin him because the demonstrable FACTS in his writing makes her look like a horrible person. Why do you expect the victims of abuse to remain silent out of deference to their abusers?

  • imfine

    Before anyone says Eron is full of it and is a liar, Zoe had her day in court and she did not deny the allegations leveled against her which is astonishing given the severity of the crimes we are talking about: Racketeering, extortion, fraud and rape. If anyone here is a victim it is Eron not Zoe. Zoe used Eron and then she used the feminist movement for her own personal gain. Why BM would lend its editorial space to defend someone like Quinn is incomprehensible.

    • ReallyNotThough

      She didn’t deny GG’s “crimes” because she wasn;t charged with them. The case was about eron’s stalking.

      • imfine

        Can you explain to me why she didn’t say in the complaint that what he was saying was false? Or why she has never publicly denied the allegations? you know any kind of “Hey I didn’t do that”. Wake up, you’ve been hijacked.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          Most people don’t really bother to deny stuff that’s obviously made up.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “Or why she has never publicly denied the allegations?”

          In her words, because she didn’t want it to turn into a giant he said she said, and, unlike Eron, she didn’t believe complete strangers had a right to know everything about her and Eron’s relationship.

          “you know any kind of “Hey I didn’t do that”.”

          She’s said multiple times that she didn’t have sex for coverage. You all just don’t care because lying is more fun.

    • Mr Corrections

      I heard she also didn’t deny faking the moon landings, or her part in bringing down WTC7!

      HOW DEEP DOES THIS RABBIT HOLE GO???

      • The Leader of Gamergate

        I just wanted to let you know that slamming your little manbaby hands on your keyboard in a rage, under the guise of sarcasm, does not trolling make. The fact that you are still pounding away away after all this time leads me to question your mental state. Please go outside.

        I hope that helps!

        • The Original Chicken Hawk

          The only way that helps is to prove that he really it his mark.

        • Mr Corrections

          That wasn’t trolling, it was mockery. Obviously you cannot understand things, so feel free to ask if you have any other issues parsing basic human interactions!

          I hope that helps!

          • The Leader of Gamergate

            Oh, I’m sorry, I thought you said you were an epic internet trollmeister. I must have been mistaken. You obviously can’t keep anything in your mind straight, so feel free to ask for any psychiatric help. I took a couple entry-level college courses in the subject, so I’m basically an expert.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            What is this gibberish?

    • The Original Chicken Hawk

      Oh, good lord, put down the Kool Aid, it’s poison!

    • AQ

      Eron IS a liar. He’s a psychotic stalker who got a bunch of like-minded creeps to harrass his ex girlfriend, and is now trying to act like he’s the victim in all of this.

      • imfine

        You can certainly feel that way, but the person you said he lied about has never denied what he said, even in court. Without that denial you have no basis to challenge the truthfulness of what Eron said.

        • ReallyNotThough

          You know that court isn’t just a place where you read off everything the Internet says about you and discuss it, right?

          • imfine

            Actually in this case, that’s exactly what happened. She didn’t say what he wrote were lies, its just that people got mad at her when they read his posts about her. Kinda shocking really.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, no, she mentioned that his actions were encouraging people to stalk and threaten her. You don’t have to address every MS red paint conspiracy theory to make that point.

          • imfine

            If you are to go to court to sue someone for inciting people by writing nasty lies about you, you will also take the time to say they are false.

            You that little twinge in the back of your head, that is your brain saying “Hey what he is saying makes sense, why am i spending all this time defending someone who hasn’t denied anything I am defending her for. She must know they are false, why doesn’t she say so.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            FFS. She didn’t sue him. The RO was not based on any claims of libel.

            Never go into law school.

          • The Original Chicken Hawk

            Dude, you are dumber than a box of rocks if you think that her ‘failure’ to talk about those silly random accusations means anything specific.

          • imfine

            Actually the Supreme Court just ruled back in 2013 that lack of denial can be used as an admission. you must think the Supreme Court to be bunch of idiots?

            Don’t you think its even a tiny bit odd you are writing al this about someone who won’t even spend one second to say what was said about her is a lie?

          • The Original Chicken Hawk

            The Roberts court is likely the worst one since the slavery era. Eventually, many of their controversial decisions will be overruled. So yes, the GOP has stuffed the SC with loons.

            However, I’m unfamiliar with that particular rule, if you don’t refer to an actual case, I’ll have to dismiss it as some sort of pathetic fantasy. Also, If I call you a loon ever day for the next year, do you have to reply else be confirmed a loon? According to your ‘logic’ yes, you do.

          • imfine

            Admission by Silence has been around for thousands of years. Its nothing new.

          • Bobby

            It’s incredible man.

            These people just cannot be reasoned with.

            ZQ admitted to sleeping with the guy for publicity. Never denied any of it and they STILL defend her.

            If ZQ murdered their whole family, admitted to it, was on camera committing the act, they’d probably still defend her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “ZQ admitted to sleeping with the guy for publicity.”

            No, she didn’t. If GG is about ethics, why would you need to lie so much?

          • Bobby

            Sigh… yes, she did.
            https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1992/6524/original.jpg?w=320&h

            If GG isn’t about ethics in journalism, how did we manage to reform ethics in journalism?

            Journalists that have changed their policies
            IGN
            The Escapist
            Eurogamer
            PC Gamer
            The Verge

          • ReallyNotThough

            That was a joke, jfc. How could she have had sex with Grayson in exchange for coverage that was given weeks before she had sex with Grayson? Learn causality.

            “If GG isn’t about ethics in journalism, how did we manage to reform ethics in journalism?”

            You didn’t.

            “Journalists that have changed their policiesIGN
            The Escapist
            Eurogamer
            PC Gamer
            The Verge”

            Policies update all the time, post hoc does not ergo proctor hoc.

          • Bobby

            So you know ZQ better than she knows herself and the ethics policies we fought to change changed on their own on mere coincidence and not because of us even though the changes were specifically about ethics in journalism.

            I give you 0/10

          • ReallyNotThough

            Quinn has already said that was a joke, as with the helldump bs.

            No, I know that causality functions along the arrow of time.

            Nathan Grayson could not go back in time to write those articles after he slept with Quinn. He just couldn’t.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Funny, I was under the impression everyone thought IGN was still in EA or Activision’s pockets.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Also, that is a legit-looking, high quality source!

          • Bobby

            Right, twitter is so untrustworthy. Especially since the tweet came from ZQ herself.

            That’s a good try to explain it away though. I’ll add it to the list of fails.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          Oh, but you’d totally believe her if she denied it, right?

          • imfine

            That’s irrelevant. I am not discussing whether I believe her denials, I am just saying she never denied it, so I have no basis to believe they are fake. She says she feels threatened by people reading these accusations, but at no one time has she said they were lies. That is strange behaviour wouldn’t you say?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            It might be strange if it was just a few and not an entire flood. If my butt was on the line like that, I wouldn’t be dignifying those people with a response.
            It’s Eron’s word vs Zoe’s, and I’m less inclined to believe the one who wrote an essay for the sole purpose of ruining someone’s life. i.e. Eron.

          • imfine

            It’s not Eron’s word vs Zoe’s word. We only have Eron’s word. You have no basis to believe a defense that does not exist.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            And your sole basis to believe Gjoni is based off a pretty heavy burden of proof. Like I said, his word versus hers, which I find INCREDIBLY hard to believe she never once in all of this mess denied any of it.

          • imfine

            She has not once denied it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            She has repeatedly denied coverage for sex, as have the fundamental rules of time and space.

            You don’t care, so what would be the point of further denials?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, We also have Zoe and Grayson saying this shit didn’t happen. But you keep lying anyway. Why?

          • imfine
          • ReallyNotThough

            You understand that time is linear, right?

            Grayson did not go back in time to give Quinn a mention, much as you all wish he had.

          • imfine

            They did have sex around the time the article was published. As far as I am concerned they did admit it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, but you understand that cause cannot follow effect, right?

          • imfine

            Maybe she said “if you write this article I will bang you”. Anyway, where exactly is her denial. I know Grayson did admit sex and denied it was for coverage, but I have not heard it from Zoe

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Maybe”

            Oooookaaaaay. Good to know the complete absence of evidence or sense does not matter when your cult’s beliefs are challenged.

          • imfine

            The accusation is that she bangs for profit. She had sex right after she got an article published about her with the person who wrote it. We know that much for fact. I am sorry, what evidence is on your side?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I am sorry, what evidence is on your side?”

            The evidence that no evidence exists that there was any kind of trade of sex for coverage?

          • imfine

            How is there not evidence?

          • ReallyNotThough

            There is no evidence that they were sleeping together at the time the reviews were written, or that their later relationship was relevant.

            If there was evidence, why hasn’t GG found it?

          • imfine

            Aside from the fact Grayson admitted to it to Kotaku

          • ReallyNotThough

            Admitted to having sex with a woman, during which time he did not cover any of her products?

            Why is that even an admission? Stay out of people’s sex lives, you creepy losers.

          • imfine

            Keep moving the goal posts. She slept with him at the time he wrote articles about her. thats all thats needed.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “She slept with him at the time he wrote articles about her. ”

            No, she didn’t. Time is not cyclical.

          • imfine

            Grayson admitted it to kotaku and it was published.

          • ReallyNotThough

            It was published before they had sex.

            Grayson did not use a time machine.

          • imfine

            You can certainly have sex after you get your pay. You can keep trying and lying, but it won’t work

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then you have evidence the two were related?

          • imfine

            Yup Kotaku published a piece showing that the sex happened just after the piece occurred. That is it could have happened before as well, but that’s what they have admitted too

          • ReallyNotThough

            “could have”

            You seem confused about what evidence is. It’s not imagination. These are two separate things.

        • The Original Chicken Hawk

          The court appearances were not about the accusations within ‘the Zoe Post’ it was about the creepy stalking.

        • notorioushmr

          The onus is not on her to prove the things he said are or are not true. The onus is to prove that he said them maliciously and with intent to disrupt, which she has done.

  • http://extorrium.com Trixter6

    Ah, so this is Gamergate; a relationship that ended terribly and sparked a pretend “war” with gaming developers and idiots stuck in the 1950s. M’kay, sounds like a shitty B-Movie plot, but whatever.

    • Bobby

      No. A relationship between a developer and a journalist called journalistic integrity into question sparking a debate about ethics.

      Since GG, many journalists have in fact changed their policies.

      There is no war between developers and GG. It’s between GG and SJWs and GG and shady journalists.

      • Woody

        Yup and the “war” was going on long before Quinn. E.g. the Driver 3 scandal that I was involved in around 2005 or so.

        Also prior to GG we had Nexus 7-gate where corrupt games journalists took free customised tablets from a publisher as a bribe to hype up a bad game and scammed millions of gamers out of money after their corrupt glowing reports lead to record pre-orders.

        The journalists even colluded and conspired amongst themselves to keep the gifts secret but when found out they couldn’t give them to charity fast enough!

    • puppeteer23

      No, no. You see, it’s all about ethics and stuff. All the doxing and swatting and harassment. Ethics.

  • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

    As soon as you stop talking about Quinn, the topic wont be discussed further. In the mean time an article with 115 sources cited for you all. http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Zoe_Quinn

    • Woody

      It is weird that Quinn whined about all the abuse and harassment but eventually things moved on and no one was talking about her any more.

      So why on earth is she pulling strings and getting all her chums in the SJW cult and media to rake it all back up again?

      I mean the cynical person would say that her patreon donations were drying up and she needed the publicity. But with a rich boyfriend she is hardly short of cash.

      So why? Does she just like the attention? It doesn’t make sense. I mean it was all over and the scandal had moved on to other things. It is like she escaped from a lions den and then said “you know what, why I don’t I run back in”.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Look, I get that conspiracy theory infects the mind, but Quinn did not pull strings to make this article happen, on account of her not owning Boston Magazine.

        • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

          Her recent appearance at a congressional panel, has floated her back to the surface. Plus the Eron restraining order is about to lapse, so this article and others are a pre-emptive attack. #GamerGate is awash with it also, its the same story as always.
          No, doubt there is an immense amount of tin foil hattery and misinformation going on, that’s all the more reason, to look for sources that cite there evidence and follow those citations.
          Research and come to your own conclusions based on evidence you find credible.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, well, if you’re invited to Congress, most people are going to accept.

            I don’t see what strings are being pulled.

            “Research and come to your own conclusions based on evidence you find credible.”

            I have. So has almost everyone. Trust me, the most reasonable conclusions do not make GG look good.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I didn’t say strings where being pulled if anything I say the opposite and say that is a possible reason she’s back in the news feed.

      • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

        August never ends, .

        To be honest I do my best to ignore the literally who’s, but that is an almost impossible task with them screaming “look at me” all the time.

        Quinn is a figure of academic interest only, the really interesting stuff is stuff like this.

        Of course, none of this will be “investigated” by professional journalists who almost to a man have doubled down on a false narrative. Which after 8 months of GamerGate asking the question, the media and the professions watchdogs, have not only not addressed, continue to deny even exist.
        Regardless of where the truth actually lies, the blatant one sidedness of the presses reporting on the subject ought to make any reasonable person ask questions.
        http://www.gamergate.me is a place to start, no doubt there’s a bias there, but articles come with citations for the curious and diligent to fact check on their own.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “your best” is pretty terrible.

          “Regardless of where the truth actually lies”

          We know where it lies. You all lied about sex for coverage, got called on it, and were too childish to back down.

          There, solved that for you.

  • Dexter

    This article is factually incorrect and is twisted in a way to fit the writer’s bias

    • ReallyNotThough

      Were that true, you’d think one of the GG here could point out a single factual inaccuracy.

      Other than Alex being more of a strawberry blonde, of course.

      • Bobby

        This article has been debunked and destroyed a 100 times over in the comments already. Have a look.

        Plenty of links to back it up too.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          The sources are totes credible, too!

          • Bobby

            You checked them all? Even the one where ZQ flat out admitted she slept with NG for publicity on twitter?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            The one where she got to know him in March and then got together in April?

          • Bobby
          • ReallyNotThough

            She was joking, because the person she was talking to continued to lie despite knowing the truth. Like you’re doing, right now.

          • Bobby

            Let’s see so far from aGG, I’ve heard:
            1) She was just mad
            2) That wasn’t really her
            3) She just wanted the trolls to go away

            and now
            4) She was joking

            You have no idea how amusing I find it that I keep getting different explanations trying to explain this away.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, we don;t stalk her religiously, I wasn’t on that thread, I have no idea.

            But I do know that time moves in a linear forward direction.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Little hard to read to read there, pal. Looks like that post where she got mad and just wanted them to go away. Happens if you spend too much time dealing with them.

          • Bobby

            Yeah the “she was mad” defense has already been tried a few times so you get no credit for originality there.

            Your other angle of “hard to read” is a new one though. Full credit for that one.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Hey, what can I say, it was a tiny pic!

            I wasn’t trying to be original, you don’t really need to come up with a new spin on the truth to keep it true.

          • phx

            Uh…. if she’s had your cards and many other things, it’s not entirely unrealistic that it’s somebody else ghosting and not a real post from ZQ.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Every link is “Eron said something different.”

          That’s not debunking.

          Maybe if there was some kind of conspiracy to libel GG, there would actually be factual inaccuracies in the article?

          • Arsalan

            So Eron’s words in the article, as quoted out of context as they are, are proof that he is a monster. But his words elsewhere are not allowed be entered into the conversation? That is not logical, my friend.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Actually his actions are proof that he’s a monster. Maybe he shouldn’t have given private information about his ex to a mob that openly wanted her to die.

          • Arsalan

            Like what?

      • imfine

        Well to start the article complains about Eron giving away nude photos of her, when in fact she was (may still be) a nude model. You can just write “Zoe Quinn Nude” in google and see the obviously professional nude work she has done

        • ReallyNotThough

          Um, yeah, and you have to pay for those nude photos. If you give someone who didn’t pay those photos, you are “giving away nude photos.”

          Is any of this making sense at all?

          • imfine

            No its actually not making any sense. The images were free and posted online.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, they weren’t. SG takes subscription or one-time payments. Her photos were $10. Eron even talked about reimbursing people who bought them.

            They’re free and posted online NOW, because you’re a bunch of stalkers jacking it to women you hate.

          • Woody

            LOL look classic SJW-tard moving the goal posts.

            SJW smacktard: “name one inaccuracy”

            Normal person: “ok well he didn’t distribute nude photos of her, she was actually a nude model and like most porn those pictures were pirated and freely available on the web months before the scandal broke”.

            SJW smacktard: “but you have to pay for those pictures, Eron bought them for everyone”

            Er……………….non sequitur!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            So Quinn posed as a nude model for money so that the pictures should be sold.

            Someone then bought the photos.

            OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            TLDR you asked for an inaccuracy and you got one. STFU and find another angle.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Someone then bought the photos.”

            I’m fine with that. Distributing them for free without her knowledge and consent is the issue.

          • Woody

            No it isn’t an issue.

            Do you know how the contracts work for these models?

            Ok stupid question because you are obviously clueless and just clutching at straws now.

          • imfine

            That’s not a concern or a cause of action for her. She was paid to strip naked for money and she did so. Any claim of loss would be with the copyright owners who took the pictures.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh well then passing around nude photos of your ex to people who fantasize about raping her is just a normal and emotionally healthy thing to do then

          • Woody

            Changing the goal posts fallacy again.

            You say something stupid. We post evidence and smash your face in with a metaphorical factual baseball bat.

            You then try another avenue and the circle repeats itself.

          • ReallyNotThough

            …you seem normal and healthy

          • Woody

            You asked a question (“show me a single inaccuracy?”).

            You were shown one. Plain as day.

            Yet you are obsessively trying to push it, lying, talking sh*t, demonstrating a lack of understand of how modelling works and generally humiliating yourself.

            You are making yourself look like a right nobber and the irony is that Quinn ain’t even going to sleep with you as she is with a bloke whose parents are millionaires or billionaires.

            Why put yourself through this for nothing dummy?

          • ReallyNotThough

            how is this your life

          • facefault

            ReallyNotThough asked a question.

            You and imfine attempted to change the meaning of “give away.”

            No inaccuracy there.

          • Woody

            The pictures were freely available on the web months before the abuse.

            How do you “give away” something that is freely available and can be found by anyone that knew about it.

            Pretty much everyone knew about it too.

            As Quinn made quite a name for herself when she lied, framed some innocent depression victims on Wizardchan for abuse they didn’t commit and then sent her mob of bullies after them which lead to them receiving death threats.

            Eron saying “hey you want some nude pics” would have simply resulted in the reply “no we saw those months ago, get with the times moron”.

          • facefault

            Who do you mean by “everyone”? It sounds like you’re saying you were part of a group digging up personal information about Zoe Quinn before GamerGate happened. Is that the case?

            >framed some innocent depression victims on Wizardchan for abuse they didn’t commit

            EIther you’ve been lied to and you never bothered to look for the truth, or you’re trying to lie to me.

            https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/519948476051111936

          • Woody

            I clearly remembering reading the stories where she and the SJW mob abused the depression victims.

            There was plenty of talk about her being a nude model and stuff.

            At that time I was neutral on the story as I personally had no evidence either way that she was a liar, scammer and abuser.

            It wasn’t until sometime later when I got up one morning, turned on my PC and found a dozen articles all lying and smearing about over crimes I allegedly committed in my sleep that I realised that those original stories were likely true.

            Quinn said she never did it? Ah right.

            Hitler said he didn’t do it. Ah right.

            Poor guys, getting frame like that.

            LISTEN AND BELIEVE right?

          • facefault

            So you believe she is a liar and a scammer, because you read articles not written by or about her that hurt your feelings.

            Please, let this be a teachable moment: this is why people outside GamerGate think you’re stupid. The only link between those things is your hurt feelings and emotional investment.

            You felt hurt and betrayed when people in the games industry said that the tiny subgroup of gamers who make the vast majority of us look bad were on their way out. You thought they meant all people who play games are on their way out. Most readers didn’t make that mistake, but you and a lot of others did!

            You got angry at a headline, misread what was below it because of that anger, and so you decided that the article’s subject is good and its subject’s opponents are evil. It’s a mistake people make all the time in articles about politics, the environment, and so on.

            Making that mistake doesn’t make you stupid. Doubling down on it might.

          • Woody

            A typical SJW sub human animal posting the usual lies and strawman fallacies.

            Quinn was right in the middle of it doing interviews with the press and pushing the narrative. I am sad that she received threats, I want those people in jail. But I don’t know who did it, neither do the FBI.

            Quinn however took it upon herself to lie, smear and libel millions of innocent people with no evidence.

            As for “feels”. I am not a sub human animal like SJW’s. I don’t cry over “feels”.

            I get upset over hate speech and the mass incitement of hatred against huge demographics. We have seen what evils such behaviour lead to in the past….

            It wasn’t just a headline. The lies and incitement to hatred were spread far and wide. Even in mainstream papers like The Guardian. Clearly and blatantly inciting hatred against gamers with ZERO EVIDENCE.

            If you sub human animals have any evidence, please give it to the FBI. You have my full support in that.

            I know that sub human animals like to play semantics so I will repeat what I’ve said to others. I don’t care what a sub human animal believes the word “gamer” means or who it refers to. That is merely the sub human animals narrow and worthless definition.

            I care about what THE PUBLIC consider it to mean. When you incite hatred in the mass media against “gamers”, you are inciting hatred against millions. You do not get to define your own narrow definition and then claim that it is ok and no harm was done.

          • imfine

            WTF, she posted nudes for money online!! What did she think they were going to be used for? How is that Eron’s fault that she stripped for money for online websites?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Probably not for violent and specific rape fantasies encouraged by her ex-bf?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Remember that rape fantasy book they wrote about Zoe? Such a normal thing to do.

          • Miglet32

            How do you know he was the one to post those photos. For that matter, how do you know if he even had access to or was aware of those photos?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I don’t, personally. I think he supported the group that distributed them.

          • Miglet32

            You’re going to hold him responsible for the actions of a nonhomgenous group?

            And weren’t the photos initially leaked via 4chan? As if anyone has any control over what occurs there.

            You’re reaching here.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m going to hold him responsible for encouraging that non-homogenous group and giving them more info, yes.

          • imfine

            Even more than that, they were posted online for free by the copyright owners. I won’t mention the sites though.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            -tard
            -tard
            -tard

            Ethical!

          • Woody

            I don’t have any obligations with regards to ethics. I’m not a journalist.

            I have no qualms about insulting people who deserve utter disrespect for telling lies, bullying and smearing innocent people.

            You deserve every bit of it.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            “I am in this to disparage people who I disagree with politically.”
            Glad to know I’m getting a masterclass in righteousness!

          • Woody

            I am in it to disparage sub human worthless trash who lie, smear and libel me whilst simultaneously comparing genocide and mass murder to some nasty tweets.

            Also people who are too thick to read posts before replying to them.

            If I think of any others I will tell you.

            Oh yeah people who make accusations and then when asked to provide that evidence and hand it to the FBI suddenly go off on a tangent and pretend not to know what is being talked about.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            “whilst simultaneously comparing genocide and mass murder to some nasty tweets.”
            You’re talking about you there, right? Because you’re the one who brought genocide into it, lmao. I stopped reading your posts after that, because seriously, LOL.
            I’m libeling you? I wasn’t aware I had anything published, let alone anything about you. Such grandiose and urgent terms. The warm glow of self-importance you bask in must have kept you pretty warm throughout the winter, eh?
            Well, I think I’m about done pretending you have anything to say. Have yourself a fish for being such a good sea lion!

          • Smazeli

            But Eron didn’t give away the photos, or even mention them to anyone. Quinn’s modeling photos are still sitting on the original softcore websites for anyone to see, because they’re not behind a paywall.

          • Arsalan

            Eron did not give away the nude pictures. Someone on 4chan found out that she is a member of a site they used to frequent. Then 1 person decided to buy the pictures with a prepaid credit card. At the same time someone else found the pictures on Usenet, apparently they had been there for some time. The person who found them on Usenet was able to download them first and the person who got the prepaid credit card managed to buy them after the Usenet pictures were already downloaded.

            Her nude pictures had been on Usenet ever since they were taken, since porn gets pirated very often. Eron had nothing to do with them.

            Anything else?

          • ReallyNotThough

            So, a dude saw a bunch of people who talk about raping a woman passing around her nudes, and says they’re a great movement that supports ethics.

            Okay then

          • Arsalan

            Good to see you had no actual reply. Keep up the good work!

      • Dexter

        Lol no thanks. If you can’t already spot the inaccuracies then your opinion is likely rooted in ignorance. It would take HOURS to educate you. Hours I’d rather spend doing something more important. All I’m willing to do is spend 5 minutes lightly mocking people who make outrageous claims as I search around for the opinion of the majority.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Sounds convincing and not like you were just told to come here and say it’s a lie without reading the article.

          • Dexter

            LOL “Told” to come here? What have you fabricated in your little mind? That I’m part of some secret organization? Haha. Ignorant people jump to the most hilarious conclusions.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right no brigading happens on KotakuInAction, how silly of me…

        • Michael Lindsay

          I read.

          It would take HOURS to show you all my weird conspiratorial MS paint charts with red arrows and circles all over them.
          Then there are the videos from anti feminist VLoggers like Internet Aristocrat, Thunderf00t and Aruni. It’s quite a slog.

          • Dexter

            Or… you know… a subtle jeer. One meant to imply the amount of time it would take to educate her is longer due to her (lack of) intelligence.

            “He disagrees he must be anti feminist” lol

          • Dexter

            Or, you know… a subtle jeer.

            “He disagrees so he must be anti feminist” lol I love how you automatically think I’m anti feminist. A feminist is just someone who believes in equality for both men and women. Under that definition, I am a feminist.
            I would also feel the same about Zoe Quinn if she were a dude who had done everything she had.

          • Michael Lindsay

            “He disagrees so he must be anti feminist”

            Hit that strawman, hit it hard!

          • Dexter

            Do you even know what a strawman argument is?
            The person who quoted me assumed I visited, and agreed with conspiratorial anti feminist websites. I never gave any indication of such. I basically just implied that noreallythough doesn’t matter enough for me to care about spending time to change their opinion.

    • PAZ

      …It’s an interview… It’s a transcript of what the interviewed ones said…

      What it means “it’s factually incorrect”? They didn’t interviewed Quinn and Eroji but two imposters from outer space..?

      • Arsalan

        They interviewed Gjoni, but chopped the 3 hour interviews to a couple of out of context quotes in a context they themselves made up.

  • ApocalypsoFacto

    Sigh.

    Hey humans! Heartbreak sucks. It’s terrible. It’s a terrible, painful, awful thing when someone you love does not love you back, or decides they do not want to be with you, or even talk to you, anymore. There are many, many, MANY other humans on the planet who have experienced the pain of heartbreak, and been able to survive it.

    What you don’t do when you get your heart broken is do what Gjoni did. Because aside from all the GamerGate stuff – this absolutely crazy, maniacal behavior will follow him for the rest of his life. Forever. Long after he’s gotten over Quinn, long after he’s developed other priorities and other interests and wants to just have a job and maybe a family and a quiet life? This whole shitshow will STILL be out on the Internet, for all to see. Will he be able to have a decent life? Probably. Will he be able to have the life he could have had, had he not published that post, and instead gone and gotten drunk and hooked up with a random girl at the bar, and gotten over it? I doubt it.

    I honestly have no idea how one person’s private heartbreak became some kind of rallying cry for millions of people. Except that maybe we have done such a poor job of preparing young people for emotions like heartbreak, disappointment, despair, etc. that this is the result – Gjoni’s heartbreak became everyone’s heartbreak, and Quinn became the representation of the ire and frustration and unrequited romantic yearning of millions.

    I wish all the best to Quinn, and to Gjoni too. I did stupid things when I was younger and had suffered romantic disappointment; thankfully nothing I did made the national news and got archived on the Internet for all to see. Strange days, indeed.

    • Smazeli

      In what situations is it appropriate for someone to talk about abuse they’ve faced in past relationships?

      • ApocalypsoFacto

        I couldn’t begin to answer that, other than to say, the best person for a victim of abuse to talk to is a qualified, empathetic therapist. I think Gjoni could still benefit from talking to a therapist, as he still seems to have a lot of anger and be fixated on Quinn and their relationship, despite the fact he has a new girlfriend. (To wit: working on a “sequel” to the original post, with more details of the heartbreak that prompted the initial post. If he has emotionally moved on – truly – his mental energies would be directed elsewhere.) All of his future relationships will suffer if he does not deal with whatever trauma he experienced in the relationship with Quinn, and I think he could also use something like Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy to learn some new coping skills for dealing with powerful emotions. Not all of us are born with, or learn from our family of origin, how to healthily cope with things like disappointment, or rage. And there’s no shame in that. But if Gjoni doesn’t deal with this – if he doesn’t admit, to himself, that he did things in this situation that were self-destructive, not to mention destructive to other people (even people who weren’t Quinn) – he’s going to get emotionally stuck where he is. He’ll never really be able to put the relationship behind him.

        I’m old, and I can tell you that the things that seem so critical and immediate and tragic when one is in one’s early twenties begin to seem, with the passage of years, as not really all that serious, once real tragedy starts invading one’s life. I was dumped by a partner when I was 20, and thought I would die from the pain. My mom died of cancer last year at 62. I don’t imagine you need multiple guesses to figure out which I regard as the bigger tragedy. That same thing will happen to you, as it will happen to Gjoni and others. If he was abused, though – he does need professional therapeutic help to cope. The support of millions on the Internet is not a substitute.

        • Arsalan

          You do know Quinn put a gag order on him so he could not further talk about the abuse he has suffered at her hands, right?

          • ApocalypsoFacto

            Even with a therapist? Or do you mean publicly? I’ve been a family practice lawyer for 20 years, and have never seen a gag order that prevented someone from getting therapeutic help. Usually courts are extremely encouraging when someone involved in a criminal case – on either side – wants to seek therapy. At least, that’s been my experience.

        • Smazeli

          Nice advice regarding medical help, hopefully he can afford it.

          Anyway, to clarify, is it *ever* acceptable to publicly talk about the abuse you’ve faced in a relationship?

          • ApocalypsoFacto

            Dude, I answered the question to the best of my ability. I know what you’re going for here, trying to pick a fight – not interested, got stuff to do, but I wish you the best too.

          • Smazeli

            Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend, I only wanted your opinion, so I posted a regular yes or no question

          • ReallyNotThough

            He actually could have, until he got fired for spending too much time stalking.

      • ReallyNotThough

        In many situations.

        The better question is “In what situation is it appropriate to spend 8 months stalking a woman and encouraging her harassment?”

    • Michael Lindsay

      I’ve said before, if the little GG fans in here actually gave a damn about Gonj they’d tell him what anyone would tell a good friend still obsessed about a breakup nine months after the fact. Love hurts, but there’s plenty of fish. Build a bridge, etc.

      I suspect they really don’t. These people’s lives aren’t real to them and deep down they couldn’t give a toss. They just want to watch their real life punch and judy show and have a sadistic giggle.

  • duder Pierloot
    • jhonlagos

      “I hired a private investigator to conduct a risk assessment of Mr. Quinn her lover, Alex Lifschitz, and Daily Kos intern Margaret Pless.”

      LOL if a lie, WTF if true

      • Arsalan

        They did threaten to dox and SWAT him.

        • Sterling Ericsson

          Link and evidence, please.

          • Arsalan

            He talks about it on that blog of his. Just check out his archives from like 4-5 months ago or so.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            So him talking about it is evidence how? Considering all the things that he had physically done that show him to be a stalker, his word is pretty much meaningless.

          • Arsalan

            Two things:

            1) Define stalker legally then apply that definition, including all the tests, to Eron, before labelling him as such.

            2) The blog in question is the same blog linked above, Crime and Federalism. Chelsea’s friends were talking about doxing and SWATting the writer of that blog, so he hired a private investigator.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            Ah, the nonsense Cernovich incident, where he sent nasty messages that she linked to and he got upset that his own messages included personal information.

          • Sterling Ericsson
        • ReallyNotThough

          Haha no, they didn’t. They asked people to report him for stalking.

          If you weren’t in a cult, would you need to lie this much?

      • Sterling Ericsson

        My “Gjoni is a crazy stalker and sociopath” meter just went up another tick.

        • jhonlagos

          Note that the very first paragraph has a “My client is under a restraining order, but I am NOT, ifyouknowwhattamean”.

      • GP

        That’s spine chilling…

    • jhonlagos

      “Ms. Quinn’s assertion that I’ve stalked her Boston home is a lie. I in fact know her current address in Seattle, and I have no interest in conducting a follow-up investigation”

      Well, not lying, he didn’t “stalk her home”, he just HIRED A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR to do it for him.
      You know, professionally and such. Gotta value professionalism.

  • wgone

    Proof that the mainstream and news reporting is totally garbage and the future of information does not include the rubbish published by media houses. Journalism apparently died with Christopher Hitchins.

    • Sterling Ericsson

      You mean the journalism of interviewing people and publishing what they say? I know you may not like how insane Gjoni represents his insanity, but you shouldn’t judge.

      • Arsalan
        • Sterling Ericsson

          Oh, believe me, i’ve already read all of Gjoni’s reply. He gets upset that his statements got summarized to still accurate one to two sentence statements. Him being wary about the restrictions of his restraining order and the article saying he was worried about violating his restraining order are saying the same thing. Are you trying to argue that they mean different things?

  • mettatron

    journalism does not have organs nor blood. I do not believe that the characters in this story spent time in a relationship, and my own bias has me wanting to point out that just because “she” does not want to address the issue with gjoni further and the fact that she is allowed to do what she wants because she is a woman, does not matter of factly mean that she should not explain her feelings, even if she ought not to as if it would involve stress or if it would make a more exciting story if she does not.

    • ReallyNotThough

      No, she’s allowed to do what she wants because Gjoni doesn’t actually own her.

      • videmus

        These GG misogynists can’t handle a real woman. A relationship isn’t a contract. It doesn’t mean a woman has to do certain things. Being a girlfriend also doesn’t mean you become a slave. You can be a girlfriend and still choose your sexual partners, that’s part of being a woman, and part of being a human being with rights.

      • mettatron

        good point, she wouldn’t be doing what she wants if Gjoni owned her. I think men are allowed to do what they want too. I thought that my message would sound less coherent, if I implied simply that humans can do what they want. for some reason I thought there was reason to call attention to the point that she is in fact allowed to do what she wants but I thought It was too insignificant to claim that we all are allowed to do what we want, as well and long as we are not owned by someone.

      • mettatron

        Good point, we are not allowed to do what we want when someone owns us. I ought to have said “we are all allowed to do what we want because we all have human rights” but I did not want readers to lose track of who and what we were talking about from the mention of such a general and abstract point of view.

      • mettatron

        um yes, because women are also people with basic human rights.

      • mettatron

        but if you were to ask me about what her feelings might be that she should say I would be oblivious to that end I do not know what they would possibly sound like and I can also tell you that the kinds of feeling she does not have to share she probably also should and ought not to as well.

  • wgone

    Great Photo – Zoe The Hun

  • chris perez

    So many half truths, outright lies and omissions that it makes me wonder if any news outlet is credible anymore. Journalism is pretty much dead now. All we have are glorified bloggers pushing the agenda of whatever rag they happen to work for.

    • ReallyNotThough

      You might have more luck convincing people if your avatar wasn’t the woman you’re stalking , creepster.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Using the avatar of the woman you obsessively despise is creepy to say the least.
      And your movement’s utterances here-including yours don’t make it look any better.

    • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

      You know what else is dead? Gamers!
      #zing

  • ReallyNotThough

    I love the sequence of one GG coming to say GG doesn’t care about Quinn, another coming to say she’s horrible and deserves it, and then one more with Quinn as their avatar.

    • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

      GG is a diverse bunch, what you gonna do. I know we’re not “supposed” to be, but there you have it.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Maybe if harassers and liars weren’t welcomed and supported, people would think more positively of you as a movement.

        • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

          Harassers are reported to twitter all the time, but their record on being terrible at dealing with that is plain.
          Additionally, GG is a public forum anyone can, and many do tag GG to troll and false flag, but I suppose if your mind is so made up on GamerGates nature you must have researched the subject and be able to cite some evidence to back up your allegations?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I suppose if your mind is so made up on GamerGates nature ”

            Sure. Notice all the GGers here telling malicious lies about Quinn to justify what happened to her?

            I do.

            See any GGers telling those people to stop lying about Quinn?

            I don’t.

            There you go.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Well you’re entitled to your opinion, see how I can say that without throwing accusations at you?

            But, here is an article on Quinn with a 115 citations. But of course your free to do as you please, include ignore it.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W
          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha not just a wiki source, but gamergate’s own propaganda wiki source, yeah, I’m def going to read that.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            As I said, your free to do as you please.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay. What I please is to point out that insane conspiracy theory does not justify the mass lies and hatred about Quinn, that work for you?

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Aside from the fact I don’t hate Quinn, that works just fine.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Talking of Wiki and massive bias, the wiki communities findings and the consequent finding of massive editor impropriety.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W
          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, it’s almost as if Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I’m glad you learned this now, instead of in a 100-level college course.

            Still more reliable than a wiki run entirely by a hate campaign that abhors any criticism, though.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            /hug

          • GP

            My favourite is the citations that say she had sex with people for favours and then the citations are like, proof that people work in the industry. You guys are a riot and continue to prove you have no idea what journalism looks like.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Well we only have the media to look at as examples, its no wonder we’re confused. But https://twitter.com/hashtag/SPJEthicsWeek?src=hash is here to lend us a hand, finally.

          • GP

            So the ENTIRETY of media is wrong. Gotcha. Poor victims.

            Oh, but then there’s this. https://medium.com/message/72-hours-of-gamergate-e00513f7cf5d

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Guess that to be clear would make me a bot, I like many others only joined twitter for GG. My social media is the trade chat of what ever MMO I’m playing usually.

          • GP

            If you say so.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I do and have.

          • ReallyNotThough

            What accusations? If GG wasn’t about lying about and harassing Quinn, we wouldn’t have GG here lying about and harassing Quinn and receiving no criticism for it.

            That’s just reality.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Those accusations, the ones you are failing to back up with any form of evidence. Just gonna ignore from now on, you may find repeating yourself productive, I’m less keen.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So you need proof that GG is lying about Quinn on this very board?

          • Michael Lindsay

            And there’s the standard GG bolthole.

            We are legion-take us seriously.
            That legionary who done a bad thing? We don’t own that-probably a false flag.

          • GP

            “All abuse against us is aGG. All abuse perpetrated by us is FF.”

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=Zoe_Quinn
            OK there’s a 115 citations for you to wade through and thx for standard aGG style reply.

        • videmus

          I can’t believe how dumb these gaters are. The solution is basically as simple as you’ve just outlined: stop the people doing all the bad things. This is the same reason most people hate #blacklivesmatter and the Baltimore protesters — when a group isn’t able to stop the harassers, looters, arsonists, and attempted murderers, that group loses the hearts and minds of everyone around them. Harassment and threats are never okay, and whenever they appear, the people even remotely associate with the ones who send them have the moral responsibility to put a stop to them.

    • Woody

      GG don’t care about Quinn screwing journalists.

      The journalists have the ethical obligations.

      Quinns job as a developer is to get her game out there by any means. Anything goes, including sexual favours.

      My beef and I believe the beef of GG in general is with Kotaku/Grayson for being corrupt lying trash who were not only corrupt and unethical, but also lied and smeared millions of innocent people.

      My other beef is with Quinn – NOT for sleeping with a journo, but for being heavily involved in the lying and smearing of millions of innocent people and perpetuating an enormous guilt by association fallacy.

      If she hadn’t done that I’d be supporting her in hunting down the small minority of people that sent her abuse.

      Now when you have a hashtag with no membership criteria and hundreds of thousands of mentions, sure there might be one or a few persons who say something different. But I believe my position reflects the vast majority view.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “GG don’t care about Quinn screwing journalists.”

        Then they should probably stop lying about it.

        “Grayson for being corrupt lying trash who were not only corrupt and unethical”

        For failing to travel back in time to not write about Quinn?

        “but also lied and smeared millions of innocent people.”

        GG is not millions of people.

        • Woody

          Point 1: Grayson admitted he screwed her to his editor.

          Point 2: No, for not recusing himself or offering up the information to his editor voluntarily and then for deflecting from that by smearing people.

          Point 3: Gamers were smeared in all the main gaming sites and in the mainstream press. 40 million bought GTA 5 alone.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “No, for not recusing himself”

            How could he recuse himself for things he’d already done? They had sex in April. His article was in March. Kotaku does not have a time machine. Grow up.

          • Woody

            Ah yes he said he didn’t sleep with her until three days after the article.

            In other news, Nuremberg, March 22nd 1946, Herman Goering denies that neither he nor Adolf H were aware of the existence of death camps.

            LISTEN AND BELIEVE

            If someone says it, it must be true.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Godwin, go away.

            And look, the claim that Quinn paid for a single sentence about a free non-profit greenlight game that would have been there anyways, seeing as the article was about greenlight games, with sex, is ludicrously far-fetched.

            Provide evidence or stop lying.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Gamers were smeared in all the main gaming sites and in the mainstream press. ”

            The gamer identity was, yes. Not people who play games. Read the actual articles you hate so much.

          • Woody

            Yeah those good old boys in the KKK weren’t smearing people of colour, they were just smearing their identity!!!

            It is not racism. You just smearing their public image/stereotype, not the actually human beings behind it.

            See its Ok, there is nothing wrong with those guys in the white hoods!

          • ReallyNotThough

            God lord, you need to deal with your issues.

            Gamer isn’t an identity. You buy consumer products. That’s all.

          • Woody

            So who has the gamer identity if not people that buy those consumer products called “games” and use those consumer products called “games”.

            You mean to say there are people that don’t buy games, don’t play games, but who call themselves gamers?!

            Oh yes you are right?! Anita Sarkeesian!!!!!!!!!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Mainly creepy losers, looks like? I buy a lot of games, I wouldn’t say it’s part of my identity.

          • Woody

            I don’t think you get to choose what identity you have and don’t have.

            If you drive around in a tuned up Japanese hatchback, the public will assign an identity to you – a stereotype.

            If you are a person of colour, people will assign an identity to you.

            If you tell people you play games, people will also assign an identity to you.

            Pretty much all stereotype based – stemming from portrayals in the media/popular culture.

            If corrupt sub human animals (- whether it be the Klan doing it to people of colour, or the gaming press doing it to gamers) spread bigoted lies and smears about that identity, it will adversely impact on the human beings behind the identity.

            At the end of the day what you say isn’t fit to wipe my behind with.

            What really matters is PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

            If you lie, smear in the mainstream media and say that gamers are this and that who send death threats, then the public take that to mean “people who play games”.

            As I said, I wouldn’t wipe my behind with the words of sub human animals like you, it is what the public says about it that I worry about.

            The public consider me a gamer even though I was just an innocent person minding my own business buying and playing games. Sub human animals like you and Quinn then lied and smeared that name and millions of innocent people are going to face prejudice as a result.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I don’t think you get to choose what identity you have and don’t have.”

            When that involves completely optional things like identifying by your purchases, you do.

            “then the public take that to mean “people who play games”.”

            Citation needed. Most of the public play games. Like, around 60% IIRC. Most don’t feel negatively about it.

      • GP

        Are you still pretending to have proof you can’t post?

    • Duckparty

      It’s almost like people can claim to be a part of any movement with any set of views.

      Kill all men.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “It’s almost like people can claim to be a part of any movement with any set of views.”

        And if thousands of people who join your movement harass women, people are going to notice.

        • Duckparty

          And if thousands of people who believe we should kill all men join your movement, people will also notice.

          Do you have a point?

  • Sterling Ericsson

    The only real way GGers could have shown that they didn’t care about Quinn was for them not to show up here in the first place. Though I guess there wasn’t much of a chance of that happening, huh? Lots of vitriol going on over on KiA and 8chan though about this article, it’s funny to watch.

    • Woody

      You smear people and they will predictably defend themselves. You really think you can lie and smear and people will just stand by and allow themselves to be libelled and victimised with guilt-by-association fallacies?!?

      The real question is why after all this had blown over and Quinn was being left in peace, have you SJW nutjobs dredged it all up?

      It was over, why go back to lying and smearing with the predictable results of people defending themselves and raising some inconvenient truths?!?!?

      After the crushing defeat by Protein World did you guys think you would try your hand with gamers again? You got beat the hell down last time, why not just leave it and find an easier target?

      • Sterling Ericsson

        “Quinn was being left in peace”

        Since when was she being left in peace? She still receives dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats from GGers every day.

        And nothing in the above article is a lie. It is all based on facts about Gjoni’s actions and his purposeful spreading of things to harass Quinn.

        • Woody

          Evidence please to support your accusations levelled at GG.

          How many accounts are sending threats.

          How many people are behind the accounts.

          Who are those people. That is who they REALLY are, not who they CLAIM they are – I am sure you would create an egg account now and say “Die Quinn, Gamergate” if you thought it would get you into her pants.

          Please pass that information to the FBI at the same time as posting it here. I’d love any such people to be caught and I’d like to see them jailed for a long time.

          • GP

            Kettle black, much? Where is your proof that Zoe did any of this btw? Weren’t you supposed to provide me with something…But the mods kept “killing it” or some such?

          • Woody

            Yeah I posted the link to the Kotaku statement where Totilo said that Grayson admitted to the relationship with Quinn. It said my article was awaiting moderation and it was never posted.

            Your IQ reach a high enough point to use Google yet? Or are you too monged out to do that even?

          • GP

            The one where he says that the article was written before their relationship and goes one to say:

            “The allegations have been extreme. Nathan has been accused of in some way trading positive coverage of a developer for the opportunity to sleep with her, of failing to disclose that he was in a romantic relationship with a developer he had written about, and that he’d given said developer’s game a favorable review. All of those are troubling claims that we take seriously. All would be violations of the standards we maintain. Having spoken to Nathan several times, having looked closely at the numerous messages sent our way by concerned readers and, having compared published timelines, our leadership team finds no compelling evidence that any of that is true.”

            See, I had no idea what you were talking about cause you were totally making stuff up. FYI, copy/paste is your friend.

          • Woody

            Mental illness leading to a sub average IQ is clearly not YOUR friend.

            http://kotaku.com/in-recent-days-ive-been-asked-several-times-about-a-pos-1624707346

            “in early April, Nathan and Zoe began a romantic relationship”

            Of course he claims they slept together a few days after the article, but as I said elsewhere. Adolf and Herman claimed they had no knowledge of the death camps.

            You don’t belief adolf and herman, I don’t believe corrupt trash like Grayson and Totilo.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Of course he claims they slept together a few days after the article”

            And do you have evidence to the contrary?

          • Woody

            The only people who know the truth on the dates are Grayson and Quinn and they sure as hell aren’t going to tell us if they were sleeping together before that article.

            So they are asking us to believe them. LISTEN AND BELIEVE.

            You do believe them because you want to get in Quinns pants. Totilo does but then he is a sub human animal with a history of unethical behaviour. He doesn’t care that his journalist manipulated a vulnerable young woman, desperate to get her game publicity, into having intercourse.

            I don’t believe them because I have seen them lie and smear millions of peoples so given their character, I tend to believe they are lying.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So if the only people who know the truth don’t include GG, why does GG keep making claims about it?

          • Woody

            Have you posted the evidence of who threatened Quinn and handed it to the FBI yet?

            If not, why are you making claims without evidence?

            I mean we all know you made sock puppet accounts and wrote phony threats because you have a massive crush on her and wanted to boost her patreon donations.

            Given that you are a corrupt sub human animal it does not surprise me that you don’t know how ethics work.

            The idea behind the codes obeyed by journalists is to avoid an “appearance of impropriety”.

            E. G a situation where it appears that corruption occurred but the public only has your “word” that it didn’t.

            That is why a journalist should not sleep with his or her subjects because once you do that, the onus is actually on you the journalist to prove there was no conflict of interest.

            It is not a law court, when it comes to ethics the public don’t have to prove the precise date a journo slept with a subject, at that point the appearance of impropriety exists and the journalist can no longer prove otherwise.

            “I didn’t do it “when caught with your pants down doesn’t fly.

            His best chance was to inform his editor officially on the record the minute the relationship started.

            Instead he chose to keep it secret and only provided the information when the editor questioned him.

            But as I say, I wouldn’t expect a disturbed sub human animal to understand these concepts.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Have you posted the evidence of who threatened Quinn and handed it to the FBI yet?”

            No, but she did.

            “you are a corrupt sub human animal”

            U mad, bro? You’re sure worked up over your little toy reviews.

            “His best chance was to inform his editor officially on the record the minute the relationship started.”

            Yeah not really anyone’s business, worry about your own sex life.

          • GP

            So the article doesn’t prove anything, you’re just using it to bolster your conspiracy? Gotcha.

          • Woody

            You denied they had intercourse.

            The article proves that they did.

            Another SJW mongtard trying on the “moving the goalpost” fallacy again?

          • GP

            I denied they cheated, check the threads, goofus.

          • Woody

            Another SJW lying and moving the goal posts.

            “No I didn’t say it was red, I said it was blue”.

            “haha no actually I didn’t say it was blue, I said it was green”.

            Reader scrolls up to 5 hours earlier in the thread and sees: SJW: “it is red”.

          • Woody

            GP: ” show me proof she slept with journalists”

            Article “Nathan and Zoe began a relationship”

            GP: “so the article doesn’t prove anything”.

            LOL

            GP: “Show me proof the earth is round”

            Neil Armstrong: “I flew around the earth, it was spherical”

            GP: “Neil, that doesn’t prove anything. Zoe please sleep with me”.

        • Smazeli

          “Since when was she being left in peace? She still receives dozens, if not hundreds, of death threats from GGers every day.”

          Does she? Does she really?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. Check her Twitter mentions. Then imagine if her Twitter is that bad, what her email and ask.fm must be like.

          • Smazeli

            I did, which is what left me confused. It’s rare she gets even a single threat from a GG affiliate, let alone “hundreds every day”

            Also no one on any of the GG forums or chatrooms ever talk about sending Quinn messges. Are they all doing it, silently, without telling or bragging about it? Hundreds of people?

            And I did ask Quinn what her threatening emails looked like, and she blocked me. It was the first and only time I had tweeted her anything.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” from a GG affiliate”

            Sure, and all those other threats are completely unconnected to the lies GG tells about her, right?

            Grow up.

            “And I did ask Quinn what her threatening emails looked like, and she blocked me”

            Because she’s asked not to be contacted by GG. Stop bothering her, you creepy stalker.

          • Smazeli

            “Sure, and all those other threats are completely unconnected to the lies GG tells about her, right?”

            Which lies? You can read the threats for yourself to figure out what they’re about, can’t you? And why assume that the only people on the internet who think poorly of her are from GG? She has a bad reputation among a lot of feminists as well.

            “Grow up.”

            I’m not sure what I’ve done to personally offend you. I apologize!

            “Because she’s asked not to be contacted by GG. Stop bothering her, you creepy stalker.”

            Why would she assume that I’m a representative of GG? I doubt she’s too interested in disengaging with GG, because she keeps tweeting to them and about them.

            But you JUST now recommended that I ask her about her emails, but now sending a single tweet is stalking?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The lie you keep pushing of her having sex for reviews, despite the fact that time does not move backwards.

            “But you JUST now recommended that I ask her about her emails,”

            I definitely didn’t.

          • Smazeli

            Ahh crap you’re right. You said to “imagine” what her emails must be like, not “ask”. That was my mistake

            See? Admitting when you are wrong isn’t hard, you should try it.

            “The lie you keep pushing of her having sex for reviews, despite the fact that time does not move backwards.”

            Like right here. I never once said she had sex for reviews. Quote where I did. You can’t.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Admitting when you are wrong isn’t hard, you should try it.”

            You seem to be having difficulty admitting you were wrong in thinking there is evidence that Quinn had sex for reviews.

          • Smazeli

            Well, since you can’t prove that I ever said she got positive reviews for sex, are you now moving on to speculating about my thoughts? Weird.

            What exactly would convince you in this case?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Well, since you can’t prove that I ever said she got positive reviews for sex, ”

            You said she had sex for coverage. That was a lie.

            “What exactly would convince you in this case?”

            Evidence?

            You know, it’s like imagination, except… oh nevermind

          • Smazeli

            “You said she had sex for coverage. That was a lie.”

            Finally, something relevant to what I actually said. It’d be nice if you admitted to your previous gross error, but I can look past it.

            Anyway, showing you the evidence is tricky, since I keep posting it and you keep either ignoring it or claiming that it’s all fake.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Eh it was a mistep, for sure, hard to keep exactly what the GG groupthink lie is at any given point.

            “Anyway, showing you the evidence is tricky, since I keep posting it and you keep either ignoring it or claiming that it’s all fake.”

            Maybe posting evidence that is verifiably real would be a good step?

          • Smazeli

            Thank you. Anyway, I gave you instructions on how to find the tweets for yourself, are you having trouble? I thought I was clear enough. I already posted this link:

            https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

            You can go through her tweets at around that date for yourself, can you?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I could, if I were your paid secretary, yes.

          • Smazeli

            Erm, what? You aren’t doing this for my sake, I already saw them and know they exist. Didn’t you ask me for help on how to find those tweets?

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, I asked for you to find your own evidence, if you want to argue from it.

          • Smazeli

            But the evidence isn’t for me. I talked about it, you asked to see it, I posed it, to which you suddenly became very disinterested in seeing it

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then maybe post something verifiable next time.

          • Smazeli

            I did. You won’t click on them or take 5 seconds to type a tweet’s contents.

            Wait, are you paraplegic? Is that why you keep saying you can’t verify them, because you cant move your arms? Oh man, I am SO sorry!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Why don’t you type the words? Link. The. Actual. Tweets. This is not hard.

          • Smazeli

            I did, about three times so far. This will be the fourth time. Note: THIS IS NOT A SCREENSHOT. You can click on these tweets to see the full conversations!

            https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            “All the threats received by the woman GG revolves around have nothing to do with GG. Honest.”
            -GG

    • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

      Certainly on twitter the usual faces have shown up to hurl abuse about on the subject, we’d far rather discuss matters like this though, maybe the Boston Magazine would like to cover this, these videos raise some really interesting questions worthy of investigation.

      • ReallyNotThough

        The Boston Magazine is a little more interested in attempts to ruin a woman’s life for no reason at all than about breathless and senseless conspiracy theory about small independent games studios.

        • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

          Small games studio? Silver string is a PR company, The IGF is the Independent Games Festival and the video serious covers links to UBM a massive media conglomerate. Of course, you not knowing this isn’t a surprise.

          • GP

            Wow, then that’s totally huge enough to merit conspiracy theories and a hate mob!

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I’m just going to ask you to cite evidence to back up your accusations now.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You just posted a conspiracy theory. GG is mobbing this very board with hateful lies.

            There you go.

          • GP

            …Um, go Google Gamergate. And then pull up pretty much any article. I think you can find some police reports too.

            Oh, or do you mean that any act of aggression from GG is totally just a false flag, ’cause you guys are all sweethearts and not d-bags who jumped on a hashtag created around the harassment of woman by her deranged ex?

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Well if that’s easy why haven’t you, as to us all being sweetness and light, I’ve never said that, but your hardly the most pleasant person, nor the politest, but then you have so little actual substance in what you say, I guess you have to pad your comments with profanities and baseless accusations.
            I do look forward to you providing these links you suggest are so abundant though.

          • GP

            Uh, what profanities?

            And sure, I mean, it’s not your fault.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            ’cause you guys are all sweethearts and not d-bags – I know your busy an all, lot of noise to create, hope that helped.

          • GP

            Gosh you’re a delicate flower, aren’t you?
            Not your fault, I guess. If your so sensitive about what constitutes profanities it’s very strange you can’t parse out harrassment experienced at the hands of GG…oh well! Your cross, etc.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I didn’t say I couldn’t handle them, I was saying they weren’t necessary. But, whatever. Anyway I’m off to bed, you have a great day.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ….no. They’re not.

            http://silverstringmedia.com/

            This right here? This is exactly why you should label all your videos as nonsense devoid of fact.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Interesting, I see @legobutts (Kraymer) the PR person has moved on, as well.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Having one PR person does not make a media studio a PR firm.

            Do you ever think that, if GG had something of value to add, you wouldn’t need to lie?

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            From what I’ve read they’ve been heavily involved in promoting various indies, and represented various indies in the IGF, if that’s a mis characterisation I’m not expert on them, maybe I’ll go read up on them more. But however you characterise it, I’m sure talking with someone has hateful as me is all the justification you need to get personal.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “From what I’ve read”

            Yes we know all about the conspiracy shed.

            It’s not my fault you keep lying. Don’t pull an Eron and blame me for your actions.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Actually I was referring to your actions here “Do you ever think that, if GG had something of value to add, you wouldn’t need to lie?”

            My comment clearly states there may have been a mis characterisation on my part, yet again you accuse my of lying. “It’s not my fault you keep lying. Don’t pull an Eron and blame me for your actions.”
            This is both uncharitable, impolite and disingenuous. But, also something I have become entirely used to.
            Feel free to be abusive and dismissive in your further reply, to get the last word. I’ll leave it here though. Enjoy your day.
            /hug

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I stand corrected, see how easy that is.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Good work!

      • Sterling Ericsson

        The Silverstring media bullshit that’s all about GGers being butthurt that they criticized Gamergate?

        • GP

          It’s almost like they have to trick people into watching this tripe…

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            Trick? where exactly is the subterfuge in an open invitation?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, you’re not exactly forthright about it being “baseless and frankly insane conspiracy allegations regarding a tiny studio that have since been disproven by facts and common sense.”

            If GG started titling their videos like that, they would seem more ethical.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            I’m forthright in saying its well sourced, and they’ve been disproven well I’d like to see that evidence, you can of course provide it?

          • GP

            We’ve seen what your sources look like, you posted that hilarious Gamergate Wiki article.

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            If you doubt the validity of the GG.me, 115 sources are cited for you fact check through.

          • GP

            I just skimmed them. My fave is this #88.

            The earliest example unearthed was Quinn’s role in IndieCade 2013. While Depression Quest did not win any awards during this show, it was chosen for the 2013 Night Games Festival, which is an exhibition of games chosen by IndieCade staff held on 5 October 2013.[87] The person responsible for selecting the Night Games was Robin Arnott, one of the men with whom Quinn was to later have a sexual relationship.[88]

            So she got selected, and later had a sexual relationship with him according to…evidence? There is nothing out side the ZoePost.

            According to GG, they had sex, she got a time machine, and then CONFLICT OF INTEREST EFFIC FREEZE PEACH!

          • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

            think I’ll just post a quick #AndN.

        • https://twitter.com/astragaal TARGA7W

          Whatever man, posted more for the readers of the comments section to consider than for you, the videos are heavily sourced, but we all know facts are oppression and stuff, so feel free to dismiss them with profanities, adults find that style of argumentation compelling.

          • Sterling Ericsson

            That’s like saying a video about chemtrails is heavily sourced. It may technically be true, but that doesn’t stop it from being complete bullshit.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah-these are the people who invented the term “literally who” for Quinn to show how little they care/are obsessed with her.

      Just look at all those pages and pages of detached nonchalance below!

  • Elmar Mariamarshall

    Lol the fact you say Gta v incourages players to kill prostitues is enough for me to call this entire article bullshit , you obviously know nothing about the game

    • Sterling Ericsson

      You get money for killing them. There is a gameplay benefit to do so. Yes, you also get it for killing others, but the issue is the fact that there is such a benefit in the first place.

      • Elmar Mariamarshall

        The game does not revolve around killing prostitutes taht is less the none percent of the entire game . .

        • Sterling Ericsson

          And she didn’t say it was only about killing prostitutes, she said it provided a benefit and incentive for doing so.

      • Smazeli

        So the reward isn’t for killing prostitutes specifically, it’s just for killing? Hmm

        • Elmar Mariamarshall

          You kill anything you wish , dogs /birds /sheep/pigs , but none of those are important to the main game . its not like there is somthing keeping score of how many hookers you kill . there is however a stat that keeps record of how man PEOPLE you kill

          • ReallyNotThough

            Do dogs drop money?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Nope , my point is that you can kill them too :/ funny , do animals not have any value ? no one is complaining about the poor animals we can kill

          • ReallyNotThough

            Actually a lot of people complained about the cat stomping videos.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            I was one of them , but you hardly hear any one truly outraged about it

          • ReallyNotThough

            Eh, it’s not as big a problem as the thousands of sex workers who go missing every year, IMO.

            If you’re outraged, maybe go focus on that instead of a woman’s sex life.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            I am not focusing on a womans sex life , iam not even disagreeing with the article regarding what happened to zoey , i am just pissed that they got info about my favorite game wrong . and are you really trying to equate real life events with that of a video game ? in which again killing prostitutes is less then one percent of the entire game ?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “i am just pissed that they got info about my favorite game wrong”

            They didn’t.

            “and are you really trying to equate real life events with that of a video game ?”

            …no? I’m saying it’s a more serious issue, and that;s why people talk about it more.

          • GP

            You’re just REALLY into accurate and ethical games journalism, right? Like, it’s so important that the one point was right so the rest of it is totally unimportant and should be dismissed out of hand.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Huh ? is this even a gaming site? No it is important however for you to have all of your facts in order before positng an article , instead of relying on spreading misinfirmation

          • GP

            Where did I say it was a gaming site? I just said the gaming journalism was shoddy and that’s where you fell off.

      • imfine

        In real life, if you kill someone, you can take their possessions. Is this a gameplay reward or an acceptance of reality?

      • Duckparty

        The issue is that ideological zealots can’t discern reality from fiction.

        • GP

          No you can’t, it’s true.

          • Duckparty

            Provide an example.

          • GP

            How do I make an up pointing arrow?

          • Duckparty

            Damn, almost provided one. Try again.

          • GP

            Sarah Nyberg keeps a pretty good tally. https://twitter.com/srhbutts/media

          • Duckparty

            Sarah Nyberg has never posted about me.
            Try again.

          • GP

            “ideological zealots can’t discern reality from fiction”

            The “you” is Gamergate. Why would anyone care to post anything about you?

          • Duckparty

            I’m not gamergate.
            Thanks for playing.

          • GP

            You’re just a really big fan of their work, huh? Thanks for playing, too!

          • Duckparty

            No, I’m not that either.
            At least you tried.

          • GP

            So…you just showed up to correct a stranger about a point you think is wrong in the article?…That makes me feel really sad.

          • Duckparty

            It makes me sad that you feel the need to brand anyone you don’t agree with as being part of a group you believe is hateful, therefore also branding them as hateful. With no knowledge of the person at all.

            And it’s not that i think It’s wrong. It is wrong.

          • GP

            Mkay, have a great night, hun.

          • Duckparty

            Hun is a sexist slur in this context.

            Congratulations, you are now harassing women.

            You are now gamergate.

          • GP

            …I’m a woman too? It was meant to be affectionate, I’m sorry if I hurt you.

          • Duckparty

            Internalized misogyny.

          • GP

            Because I called you hun? I’ll think on it if it makes you feel better.

          • facefault

            Welcome back, ShuckyDucky! Just couldn’t stay away from the article about the woman irrelevant to the movement you don’t support, huh?

    • GP

      “You factual interpretation of a facet of this game makes me think this unrelated article is BS.”

      • Elmar Mariamarshall

        Lol factual in what universe ?

        • ReallyNotThough

          In this universe in which you receive in-game rewards for killing prostitutes in GTA V.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            You get in gmae rewards for killing any one in the game . and the game does not revolve around killing prostitutes , :) its less the none percent

          • GP

            So where is the lie?…

          • Smazeli

            The lie that the game rewards you specifically for killing prostitutes. This is false, aforementioned reward is for killing NPCs. It also punishes you for these killings by sending the police after you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Where did the article say specifically?

          • GP

            “which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

            That’s the quote.

          • Duckparty

            Except that sending the police after you isn’t exactly killing with “impunity”.

            Might want to look up the definition of that word.

          • GP

            So game over when the cops come after you?

          • Duckparty

            It is a punishment, the fact that there is a punishment means it is not with impunity.

            Welcome to the meaning of impunity.

          • GP

            So you’re playing a game where you’re breaking the law constantly, but it’s especially a punishment when they come after you in this one instance because it takes away the ‘impunity’ part, even though cops chasing you is a part of the game.

            Gotcha.

          • Duckparty

            It’s a punishment in every instance.

            Keep up the mental gymnastics though.

          • GP

            You mean basic logic? Will do. You and your buds keep looking for reasons to dismiss this article.

          • Duckparty

            I’m not dismissing the article. I was nicely explaining to you how the presence of a punishment causes the word “impunity” to be incorrect in this context.

          • GP

            Sure!

          • GP

            But this “punishment” is in fact a part of the regular gameplay and something to be expected whether or not you kill the sex workers in the game.

            Where is the lie?

          • Duckparty

            Already told you how impunity was wrong.

            You’re welcome.

            Also not my job to educate you shitlord, or something like that.

            Be grateful

          • GP

            And I explained why the punishment you’re listing is just a part of gameplay and isn’t actually a real deterrent.

            You’re also welcome.

          • GP

            Geesh, no need to fly off the handle. We have a different interpretation. You think that a cop coming after you (like they would at any point in the game for most offences) counts as a form of punishment, I think it’s not.

            No need to get your knickers in a twist.

          • Duckparty

            That’s fine, you’re still wrong.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know this punishment doesn’t happen if there are no witnesses, right?

            So “encourages killing prostitutes in back alleys” would be more correct, but I see why they chose parsimony.

          • Smazeli

            When it specified prostitutes as the only example of an NPC that the game awards you for killing. Why are they the only class of NPC worth mentioning? Because the author’s intention was to imply that the game treats prostitutes as a lower class. You might as well say the game rewards you for killing blacks. Or asians. Or women in general, or cops, or white guys. All technically true! But by subtracting context, you can paint any sort of inaccurate image of the game’s mechanics to extrapolate any sort of greater political message of your choosing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Because the author’s intention was to imply that the game treats prostitutes as a lower class. You might as well say the game rewards you for killing blacks. Or asians. Or women in general, or cops, or white guys. All technically true!”

            I’m glad we agree.

          • Smazeli

            Whoops, you did it again. See by excluding the rest of my post, you changed the meaning by cutting out the main point that I made. Again, context!

            Unless it wasn’t your intention, then yes, I agree. GTA does not single out any socioeconomic class of NPCs via the game’s mechanics

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I read and am replying to your whole post. The game does, in fact, reward you for killing prostitutes.

          • Smazeli

            No, the game rewards you for killing NPCs. That’s what the reward is for.

          • ReallyNotThough

            It’s true, glad we agree.

          • Smazeli

            But do you agree that GTA does not designate them as a lesser class via the game’s murder/reward system? As implied by the article?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “As implied by the article?”

            The article did no such thing.

          • Smazeli

            So, why would it only mention strippers?

          • GP

            I’m guessing probably because sex workers experience an inordinate amount of violence IRL compared to most other NPCs in the game.

          • Smazeli

            Strippers are at a larger predisposition to be a victim of violent crimes. But so are black people. And hispanics, and poor people. And druggies. And mobsters, and the homeless, and gang members, and bikers. All in the game, and unlike strippers they encourage you to kill them over other NPCs by sending you on missions where you mow down waves of them as enemies. At least there’s no mission where you have to kill 20 strippers.

            So…..

          • ReallyNotThough

            So, we’re in agreement.

          • Smazeli

            On some level, probably, but right now you’re being vague. So I can’t say for certain what point you’re referring to

          • ReallyNotThough

            That the game rewards killing prostitutes.

          • Smazeli

            No, it rewards killing NPCs, of which prostitutes are only one category of. Again, by cutting out the greater context you make a very different implication.

            Much like saying the game rewards killing black people. Without the greater context, that tidbit makes it sound like the game promotes racism.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “No, it rewards killing NPCs, of which prostitutes are only one category of. ”

            Glad we agree.

          • GP

            I’m just gonna quote you back to you:

            “Because the author’s intention was to imply that the game treats prostitutes as a lower class. You might as well say the game rewards you for killing blacks. Or asians. Or women in general, or cops, or white guys. All technically true!”

          • Smazeli

            See, this is another example of changing a statements implication by cutting out context. If you’ll notice, by removing the rest of my post you change conveyed message. I’m not sure why you’d want to do that though, did the rest of my post offend or bother you in some way?

          • GP

            I’m sorry, I thought I already explained about intersectionality and that often the sex workers are racial minorities, sometimes they’re trans to be funny, etc.

            Why include only certain segments who are privy to particularly brutal forms of violence in read life and receive little recognition of that IRL at all?

          • Smazeli

            What segments of society are left out of GTA that should be included?

          • GP

            How about children?

          • Smazeli

            Do you really want that? If you do, I can’t really argue. Send your suggestion to Rockstar and maybe they’ll listen!

          • GP

            Why would I want to include more vulnerable demographics to be mistreated NPCs?

          • Smazeli

            I have no idea why. It was your suggestion, remember?

          • GP

            Fair enough. But the point is that there are some segments that should be left out and it wouldn’t be a loss. Would you really miss assaulting sex workers? Do the people you assault need to have a profession attached to them?

          • Smazeli

            I wouldn’t personally, no. But a lot of people do like it and it would be selfish of me to demand the removal of every game and game mechanic that didn’t appeal to me

            “Do the people you assault need to have a profession attached to them?”

            Every single character model in GTA V has their own assigned lines of dialogues and voice actor. Assigning the trappings of identities and professions to the NPCs makes the world of GTA feel more detailed, more immersive, and more fleshed-out.

          • GP

            It’s not selfish to say “Hey, we have a huge problem in society and this game does nothing but mirror it, maybe think about that and do something better.” It’s thinking about other people who are most vulnerable.

          • Smazeli

            Nearly all of societies huge problems are mirrored and inflated in the game. Do they all get purged, or just the strippers? No more drug wars, no more robberies, no more carjacking, no more plotlines about corporate or government corruption, etc

          • GP

            Pretty slippery slope. Saying “hey, this is a flimsy cliché that doesn’t do anything and bothers people” isn’t demanding the entire game be changed. Kill women. Just do it when they have clothes on. Or have them be drugs dealers, or girlfriends who give strip shows, etc. You don’t need to denigrate an entire profession.

          • Smazeli

            Again, GTA denigrates every profession, including the ones “above” that of strippers. Literally every NPC in that game is either selfish, corrupt, a criminal, or incompetent.

            And yes, you are demanding an entire game to be changed by suggesting that they remove a defining staple that people have long expected, and at this point entertains far more people than it bothers. And while I’ve only met two strippers who’ve play GTAV, they’re both fans. Who do you think Rockstar hired to do those motion-capture sessions for the stripper dances?

          • ReallyNotThough

            First, it didn’t?

            Second, because the fact that the game gives you an option to pick up prostitutes and kill them is shocking to many people?

          • Smazeli

            It was shocking 13 years ago, now it’s cliche to anyone even loosely familiar with the franchise.

          • GP

            And yet they still keep putting it in the games?

          • Smazeli

            Yes? Why would strippers be treated differently than any other NPC? Should they make the strippers invincible?

          • GP

            Should they include a cliché that reflects societal apathy towards minorities/sex workers?

          • Smazeli

            They did, Weasel News is the in-game parody of Fox news, where the anchors frequently act like they care more about the property of the rich than the lives of poor people. There’s a bunch of other in-game references to the sociopathy of the middle and upper classes

          • GP

            How does that change apathy towards sex workers, exactly?

          • Smazeli

            It shows that the apathy of GTA isn’t directed toward sex workers. It’s applied to society as a whole across all classes of people

          • GP

            Why include some of the worst treated people in society and do nothing but make you lose a couple of points for killing them? How is that social criticism? It’s reflection of status quo that’s a cliché and does nothing to enhance the game.

          • Smazeli

            When you say “worst treated”, are you talking about drug addicts? Or homeless people? Or gang members?

            “How is that social criticism?”

            It’s not, because not everything in the game is intended to be

            “It’s reflection of status quo that’s a cliché and does nothing to enhance the game.”

            Status quo? How many games let you kill strippers? And a lot of people really find that function to be fun, which is why rockstar keeps including it. Because the people who don’t like killing strippers are never forced to

          • GP

            So it’s not criticism, it enforces a status quo that is violent and indifferent towards a marginalized and ignored segment of society but it’s there cause it’S fun for some people.

            Why do they need to be sex workers, exactly? Or mostly women?

          • Smazeli

            “Why do they need to be sex workers, exactly?”

            Because a lot of people like watching the virtual strip shows and would be confused if just the dancers are bulletproof?

            “So it’s not criticism, it enforces a status quo that is violent and
            indifferent towards a marginalized and ignored segment of society”

            No, GTA is violent and indifferent towards all segments of society.

          • GP

            So your problem is that for you prioritising the humanity of one group takes away from the authenticity of the game and the enjoyment of the players who want to kill/rape/whatever sex workers?

          • Smazeli

            The games don’t allow you to rape anyone. Also, you still haven’t explained why strippers should be prioritized above all other NPCs. Again, they’re far from the only class in the world who are struggling!

          • GP

            They are the only class sexualised and abused in that manner. Why?

          • Smazeli

            They’re not. You can walk down to the beach and kill a bunch of speedo-wearing bodybuilders in the same way.

          • GP

            But do you pay them to bodybuild for you?

          • Smazeli

            No, they’ll stand around and make vaguely homoerotic comments toward each other on their own.

            Why, are you suggesting the stripper dances should be free?

          • GP

            Lol, I’m suggesting your comparison isn’t apt. But it’s nice the boys are giving it away?

          • GP

            Even better: Why not let people play as a sex worker? Gives agency to a sexualised and unnecessary cliché, could offer better story lines, the titillating that some gamers want. I’d be cool with that.

          • Smazeli

            Sure I don’t see why not.

          • GP

            See, lots of ways to help humanise oppressed people.

          • Smazeli

            “help”. I really, really doubt any abused strippers or anyone with serious life problems are worried about what’s in GTA.

          • GP

            No, but they’re worried about how society represents them and how the media represents them and part of the media is videogames.

          • Smazeli

            No, they really aren’t. Most of them are more concerned about staying safe and paying rent.

          • GP

            Okay, now you’re talking out your butt. http://sexworkerswithoutborders.org/ is just one of the organizations that works on media representation, among other things. Like I said, you should read up on representation theory. Media exposure and representation ,even in fiction is just one of the ways that sex workers advocate for their rights. It’s pretty important.
            The idea that all sex workers are all the same type (i.e. like most commonly represented in media like GTA, which go as far back as Duke Nukem) is part of the problem.

            I thought you were reasonable for 5 seconds and then you have to pretend like you know things just to make a point.

          • Smazeli

            Please note, I said “most” sex workers don’t care, not all.

          • GP

            Lol, kk, ignoramus.

          • Smazeli

            Why would you call me an ignoramus for making an accurate statement? That’s pretty hurtful

          • GP

            Lol, kk, ignoramus.

          • GP

            You should read up on representation theory if you have time. It’s really interesting and eye opening to see how quietly media teaches us.

          • GP

            You keep acting like these are seperate groups when there is a lot of intersecting of these identities. I’m not implying sex workers are addicts, but some people with substance abuse issues turn to sex work or are exploited in it. Some of them are homeless. Gangs often participate in human sex trafficking.

          • Smazeli

            Again, should gangs, drug addicts, blacks, and homeless people also be left out of GTA? For the same reason?

          • GP

            Again, these are intersecting groups. Why would reframing the way sex workers are portrayed in the game take away other minorities and classes?

          • Smazeli

            Well, you would have to in order to remain logically consistent. Again, those other classes face most of the same struggles, if not all. So why exclude them from your request?

          • GP

            I’m not though, lots of people of different races and classes are sex workers. The issue is about spreading an apathy. Lot of race rebellions get covered IRL, so even if there isn’t representation within that world there is representation outside the game. People decry homelessness, racism. Drug addicts do get a similar shake to sex workers, but a lot of drugs are being legalized now, so there will be less stigma. It’s needless contribution to dehumanization that occurs pretty much universally that isn’t represented in other groups.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You’ll notice they didn’t include any kids.

          • Smazeli

            Yep, because that would garner more outrage than they want.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, then they don’t have to include other targets.

          • Smazeli

            If you excluded every NPC that faced a disproportionate amount of real-life violence, then world of GTA would be completely whitewashed. And there’d be no waves of mobsters, methheads, and bikers to kill.

          • ReallyNotThough

            good ol’ slippery slope argument, solid choice

          • Smazeli

            That’s not a slippery slope, he outright said a social class shouldn’t be harmable in GTA if they’re disproportionately targeted by violence IRL.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, lots of people reading this article might not be.

          • Smazeli

            Well, it’d be great if the article provided greater context, wouldn’t it? So that way people wouldn’t walk away with the wrong impressions about the nature of GTA, as many people unfamiliar with the series have.

          • GP

            Why don’t you just use your imagination, cut out the line, and pretend you didn’t spend the last half hour arguing the semantics about it?

          • Smazeli

            Because it’s not rational to simply ignore things that bother you? This particular misconception is more dangerous, since it leads to GTAV getting pulled off the shelves and/or censored in places like Australia.

          • GP

            I’m sorry, you think it’s NOT ignoring things to have a game that reflects callous indifference of sex workers IRL?

          • Smazeli

            The game reflects a lot of ugly aspects of real-life society, and in most cases exaggerates them. That’s the design goal.

            You’re asking that strippers be excluded from the GTA world because they’re victimized in real life, while ignoring the many other classes of people that also face as much danger in their daily lives.

          • GP

            I’m asking why SEX WORKERS are included without real consequence to violence against them. I mean, you kill them quiet, no cops, nothing really happens. You lose like, no points? Why would you choose to reflect that and not the abuse of children, if they’re just mirroring society?

          • Smazeli

            GTA doesn’t have a “point system”. And the cops react toward stripper murders the same way they do every other NPC.

          • GP

            Not if you do it quiet in a back alley. I haven’t played in a while, but I do know that much.

          • Smazeli

            Yes, like every other NPC. The police AI puts a higher priority on reacting to murdered cops, and that’s it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Eh it’s alright, this is one of the more controversial parts of GTA, don’t mind it as a more parsimonious aside.

          • GP

            “which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

            Where is the lie?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            In the encourges players to murder prostitues ” the game in no way endorses it , you are punished for it just like killing any other npc

          • GP

            Do they not drop cash? Is that not useful in the game?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Lol they do drop cash just like any one else , but not enough to be usefull just like any npc they only drop 11 dollars which is useless . and the game responds by sending cops after you , Who could kill you and make you lose nearly all of your money

          • GP

            So you can, you get money for it, but it’s a lie because it’s not *that* beneficial. Gotcha.

            And this was your specious reasoning for discounting the article in it’s entirety.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Nope its a lie because it is not an important part of the game . it is simply a small part less then one percent of the entire game . it was enough because if you cant even get that fact straight i might as well ignore the entire article

          • GP

            Where did he say it was an important part of the game again?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            “THe game encourages players to kill prostitutes ” that is implying that it is a big part of the game which it is not , you can play the game without knowing that the prostitutes even exist

          • GP

            “Encourages”. It gives you the option, gives you money for it, and then the game continues on as usual?

            Where did he say it was important again?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            He is ignoring the context of the entire game to try and make the argument that this game is hatefull only toward women despite the fact you can go on in this entire game without killing any prostitutes . it is not an important part of the game , to judge the entire game based on somthing as stupid as that is an injustice to the people who have worked hard to put all the activities within it . altough rock star doesnt really care they make money off controversy :p i just want to defend this game because it is a fun game , and i hate people taking it out of context for their political agenda

          • GP

            Right, so your differing point on view on that point is enough to make him dishonest, and for you to throw out the entire article.

            Gotcha. Totally makes sense now.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            IT is not a diferenting point of view ..it is the fact that he ignored the context of the game , and made an argument based on emotions rather then facts t is what i am angry about . if he had made an argument with facts i would have no freaking proublem with this article instead it relies on emotions

          • GP

            “if he had made an argument with facts ”

            So you would have paid attention to what he said if he’d phrased that part differently.

            You’re right. This man is outrageous! Off with his head!

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            o.o When did i say off with his head ? please dont put words in my mouth

          • GP

            Hyperbole. You know, like throwing out an entire article because you don’t agree with one sentence. “Baby with the bathwater” type analogy, ya?

            Do you want me to leave you alone, btw? You said I was stalking you.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Lol i said that because you suddenly appeared on another comment i responded to . And isnt that exactly what most of the people calling gta v mysoginist are doing ? throwing the entire game out because you dont agree with one small part of the game ? Its only right i treat them with the same bias they have :)

          • GP

            Who are these people?
            Honestly, do you want me to leave you alone. I will if you ask.

          • imfine

            You cannot murder a game character, the prostitute does not exist.

          • GP

            All reality is subjective, there is no spoon.

          • imfine

            I am pretty sure there is no prostitute living inside in my game console. If you have no spoons you should go and buy some. They are quite handy.

          • GP

            Cool, well you have fun with your version of GTA V where there are no people to kill, etc.

          • Smazeli

            It’s a lie by omission, in which the meaning of a sentence is changed by subtracting relevant context. In this case, it’s implied that the game treats prostitutes worse than all other characters by encouraging players to kill them, specifically. When in reality any reward applies equally to all NPCs.

            It’s the difference between saying “Last night John killed his wife” and “Last night John killed his wife in a video game they were playing”. The first sentence is a lie by omission, where context is deliberately removed in order to convey something vastly different.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So yes, you get rewarded for killing prostitutes, glad you cleared that up.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            and Mr reallynotthough , you get rewarded for killing every one ,

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m glad we’re in agreement.

  • gregormendel

    Someone needs to create a version of digg that filters useless articles like this.

    • GP

      Why don’t you go do that?

  • Mistressnancy

    When is the media going to realize that Wu is a man? It’s as if they sincerely believe that Wu is a woman, born into the oppressed female class with lifelong knowledge of being-a-girl. It’s frankly, insulting.

    • Michael Lindsay

      And a TERF joins the party.

      • Mistressnancy

        Oh look, a bunch of men trying to silence a woman. How unusual.

        • GP

          I’m a woman, cis as well. Not a total scummy TERF, fyi.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Oh look an oppressor playing the victim card. How positively rare.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Flagged, go away forever.

    • GP

      Cis Scum, you are worthless.

      • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

        I never got that “Brianna Wu is trans” meme.

        • GP

          Cause it’s funny to misgender people and imply at the same time that trans people are lesser, I guess?

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            HAW! Classic GG. I’ve always looked forward to their incredibly nuanced and thought provoking satire.

          • GP

            Regular Algonquin Roundtable, those Gators, eh?

        • facefault

          It runs like this:
          1) One GGer says something they know isn’t true to annoy someone.
          2) Other GGers see it and assume it’s true.
          3) They repeat it over and over until GG as a whole forgets it was a lie.

          This happens in all sorts of online arguments, but GG seems particularly prone to it.

  • HoyesMiGente
  • HoyesMiGente

    “…back before he instigated the most vicious online backlash against feminism in a generation,”. Uh. Wuh? He did? Hyperbolic nonsense.

  • Nick Villano

    There is a reason she is Quinn is referred to as “LiterallyWho.”
    She has nothing to do with games journalism. She is not a journalist and doesn’t have a horse in this race other than her own need to constantly have the spot light on her.

    And if you want to say we (#GamerGate) are a “hate group”, tell me, which side is the one doxing people and harassing them? http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2015/04/zoe-quinn-lied-about-me-in-front-of-congress.html

    She made a crap game and people didn’t like it and she took it as “because I’m a woman!”
    At the same time, she cheated on her boy friend at the time with guys to get good reviews for said game.
    That’s as far as she goes in the conversation.
    No one gives a toss about her. She is Irreverent.
    But what IS relevant is that she had sex with games journalists to get good reviews and THAT is the ethics violations that is at the heart of GamerGate.
    Not Quinn. Not hate. Ethics, you vapid, poor excuse of a “journalist”

    • GP

      “hat IS relevant is that she had sex with games journalists to get good reviews and THAT is the ethics violations that is at the heart of GamerGate.”

      That’s the hate movement bit. The part where you spread outright lies and halve truths and pretend you have proof about it, and then point and scream “ETHICS IN GAMING JOURNALISM” even though Doritos/MountainDew/Call of Duty never came close to ruining anyone’s lives.

      • Nick Villano

        I have seen you comment on other stuff on here.
        No arguments. Just shallow name calling.
        And the whole “five guys” thing is very well documented and true.
        And tell me, sir/madame, how is her life ruined?

        • GP

          Where did I call you a name or fail to offer criticism? I actually laid out a fairly big point quite plainly. You know, that you guys come off as massive hypocrites, etc.

          • Nick Villano

            No. You didn’t. You called it a hate movement and denied what has been shown to be truth. That was all. That’s all any of you can ever do.
            And you’ve gone through other peoples posts calling them “cis-scum.”
            You have nothing to contribute.
            You aren’t moving anything forward.
            You are the death throws of a dying narrative.
            Good day, sir.

          • GP

            Me and 90% of journalists who’ve reported on this are in the dying throes, huh?

            (Alos, pssst, I’m a woman.)

          • Nick Villano

            Yes. Because less and less people are falling for your bull and are standing up against you fear mongers.
            (also, pssst, do you want a cookie or something?)

          • GP

            Well if you’re handing out cookies when people correct you for misgendering them, sure, I’ll have one.

            GG has been running the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner pretty much since day one. All if got you was an entire industry (except MRAs, fauxminists and Breibert) to think you’re creeps. But I guess it’s our misinterpretation…

          • Nick Villano

            Why aren’t you mad at Elmar for “misgendering” you?
            And I don’t know where you’re getting your info from, lady, but we have not. We know we still have a bit of a battle ahead.
            You people write us off as “creeps” and “MRAs” and pull the No True Scotsman card when a fellow woman doesn’t agree with you.

          • GP

            Where is the “mad”? I just saw yours first, that’s all. No need to feel singled out.

            “No True Scotsman” would apply, but your Based Mom posts on AVfM, so I don’t really need to pull any kind of card. I can just point in the direction of AVfM.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If you’re not MRAs, why are you supporting MRAs frivolous lawsuit against CalgaryExpo?

          • Nick Villano

            What?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Honey Badgers raised thousands to go to CalgaryExpo on false pretenses, now they’re raising thousands by pretending they’re going to sue.

            Maybe don’t support MRAs if you’re not MRAs.

          • Nick Villano

            They got kicked out on bullshit reasons. But that’s not what this is about.

          • GP

            They got kicked out for lying who they were and what they were doing…Why is that bullshit?

          • Nick Villano

            They signed up as “The Honey Badgers” and got kicked out when they realized “oh, they don’t agree with us”
            They made up bullshit reasons like they were harassing people.

          • GP
          • ReallyNotThough

            They signed up as a webcomic.

            They ended up promoting political merch with nothing to do with comics.

          • GP

            Did you catch the Mary Sue Article?

          • Nick Villano

            I didn’t know that.
            I’ll look more into it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            That’s your opinion. Maybe GG shouldn’t give a hate group money, tho.

          • Nick Villano

            Explain to me how a group of people who care about actual equality are a hate group?

          • GP
          • ReallyNotThough

            Honey Badgers supported the House bill to eliminate all spending on domestic violence services for gay men, lesbians, trans people, American Indians, and undocumented immigrants.

            Most of their audience comes from AVfM, a documented MRA hate site.

          • GP

            Freeze peach, duh.

          • Mr Corrections

            “Good day, sir” hahaha what a sad-ass loser

            PS: GamerGate is exclusively a hate group; it exists for no other reason.

          • Nick Villano

            Go fuck a cactus, sir.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK Captain Misogyny

          • Nick Villano

            So you can insult me but the second I give it back to you, I’m a “misogynist”?
            Good god, you people are fucking priceless. A barrel of laughs!
            Have fun with that cactus, sir.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m insulting you not only because you’re a member of GamerGate, a pitiful group of misogynist crybabies (as demonstrated in your last post) – but because you are quite clearly wearing a fedora/neckbeard combo.

            I hope that helps!

          • Nick Villano

            BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
            Are you trolling or is this an example of Poe’s law?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m glad you can laugh at your sartorial choices; when you send your death/rape threats to whichever hapless woman is GamerGate’s current target, you should consider enclosing a selfie, as it’s a genuine pity that the women you help to harass don’t at least get to have a chuckle at your appearance.

          • Nick Villano

            HOLY SHIT THIS IS POE’S LAW!

          • Nick Villano

            NO WAIT! IT’S TROLLING!
            NO! POE’S LAW!
            UGH!! I’M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!!!

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re not confused; you’re just stupid and gross.

            I hope that helps!

          • loranna238

            Ok, so..you know what makes it a hate movement to me? Not that you guys keep saying “it’s about ethics in journalism.” or the trolls. No, that’s not the problem for me. Hate is irrational. So what I’m referring to those who think they are being rational in this mess.

            What I am referring to is, how it is that every time someone says this is going on, and you can actually see it. Like, you can see it. Seriously. But hate-blinders on. The response is because this is my reality and I’m seeing something contrary to my reality they must be making it up for attention.

            So to me the hate part isn’t where you are saying it’s about ethics in journalism, it’s when you go on a board and say after a person has had their life threatened, or a game made where someone beats them up, you sit there and calmly say “she did it to herself.” and “I guess that harassment now means criticizing her and taking a different point of view.” That’s hate to me, because you cannot get past it to realize that these things are actually happening, and on top of it all, are behaving like fanatics who are about to drink the koolaid.

          • loranna238

            It’s like the Tea Party threw them up.

          • GP

            YES. Some of their biggest figureheads are even people known as right-wing pundits and had barely looked at a joystick before this…

        • Elmar Mariamarshall

          TO be honest , i have been debating with him for some time and he has yet to call me any names

        • Saskia Flora

          “Tell me…how is her life ruined?”

          WTF? Is your mind trapped in a steel box that doesn’t let information in? Or do you consider living in constant fear a normal life? Sickening.

          • Nick Villano

            If someone threatens your life, you go to the cops.
            Not the media and the internet and try to make money off of it.

          • GP

            But she did?

          • j-Dank

            Clearly you’ve missed the last few decades of media sensationalizing victims.

          • GP

            And you guys missed the part where she went to the cops a bunch of times…

          • j-Dank

            Sorry, did you mean that to me? I’m not a gator, I was merely pointing out that media sensationalism of victims is not even remotely a new phenomenon and the fact that gamergate is riding specific people’s butts about that is completely ludicrous.

          • GP

            Oh, I’m sorry. I thought your comment meat that the victims of GG were sensationalising. My bad!

          • j-Dank

            It’s fine! Reading tone in comments is the worst. :)

          • GP
          • ReallyNotThough

            She did go to the cops. They did nothing. So now we’re here.

          • Nick Villano

            If there was a credible threat they would have done something.

          • ReallyNotThough

            HAHAHAHA no

            Welcome to real life.

          • Nick Villano

            Ok. Tell me the “real life” reason why

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because law enforcement not only has a terrible record of taking stalking seriously, but also because they lack the resources to adequately combat cybercrime.

            Seriously, GG showed up outside Harper’s place of work and take photos secretly of Quinn and Sarkeesian. Cops did nothing.

            The cops don’t care. They never have.

          • loranna238

            She did go to the cops. And it’s things like this that prove how brave she is for keeping facing you twerps.

          • Rene Caron

            People don’t realize how common Internet death threats are. PETA is a million times worse than internet trolls. Google the female hunter that posed with a dead animal. At her peak of harassment she was getting over 5,000 death threats a day. But she is not the victim the liberal press wants. Just Google ‘internet death threats’ and do some reading. The only people getting stories about their harassment are those profiting from that harassment.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “People don’t realize how common Internet death threats are. ”

            How about GG doesn’t add to that total.

          • loranna238

            She should be then. No body should be harassed for doing something legal. But I digress. This doesn’t prove that they are not receiving threats, and I don’t even know what that feels like, but the knowledge that everyone would know who I was, but I don’t know who they are and they’ve decided I’m a witch would give me a problem. Maybe can’t fathom that. Really.

          • loranna238

            It is. They are. Also the five guys thing really ISN’T true, but because they say it is, then it is. I think their world would fall apart if a woman accused of infidelity, the greatest sin known to man, wasn’t actually guilty.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Naw, he just didn’t read any word of this.

        • Rick Diehl

          See, that’s what I was writing about, that sniveling self-righteousness. That because Quinn possibly did something you find unethical having her murdered or raped is just something shes earned. You are a scary little dude. Never leave Mom’s basement, trust me.

          • Nick Villano

            OH, bravo. Saying I live in my mom’s basement.
            Fucking Christ, man. What are you, 12?

          • Rick Diehl

            Say hi to your Mom for me next time she brings you down some chips and a nice glass of milk.

          • Nick Villano

            HA! Ok. So, it’s very clear now you aren’t interested in have an actually conversation.

          • Rick Diehl

            Honestly, at this point no.
            I get what your side of the argument sees as a defense for his behavior, truly I understand your point. I just completely disagree with it as reason for posting a persons personal information online. Not much else to say.

            Sorry about the Mom joke.

          • Nick Villano

            And do you honestly fucking think I want her dead? Are you that fucking stupid?
            I don’t want her dead. I want her irrelevant.

    • j-Dank

      — “And if you want to say we (#GamerGate) are a “hate group”, tell me, which side is the one doxing people and harassing them?”

      Both. Drop the holier-than-thou crap.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “here is a reason she is Quinn is referred to as “LiterallyWho.””

      Because you all are so obsessed with her you needed a flimsy nickname to hide your obsession?

      • Nick Villano

        Because she has no horse in the race?
        She is brought up because she keeps inserting herself.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “She is brought up because she keeps inserting herself.”

          Pretty sure she never chose to be the subject of GG lies, threats, and stalking for months.

          Look, if you’re upset that people care about Quinn, stop lying about her, like you did below.

          • Rene Caron

            She has appeared on numerous TV shows telling blatant lies about herself and her predicament. That is called inserting yourself into a conversation. She makes $50,000 a year on Patreon by playing the damsel. Check for yourself.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. It’s actually true that GG is targeting her.

            If you’re upset about people giving hey sympathy, maybe stop lying about her all the time?

          • GP

            The quickest way to stop people feeling sorry for her is to stop harassing her. Boom, donezo.

          • Mr Corrections

            HOW DARE SHE MAKE MONEY FROM OUR RAPE THREATS! THOSE ARE OUR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!!!

    • ReallyNotThough

      “At the same time, she cheated on her boy friend at the time with guys to get good reviews for said game. ”

      Didn’t happen. Does GG really need to lie this much?

    • Mr Corrections

      Good news! Journalistic ethics only apply to journalists! You can rest easy and stop sending rape threats now!

    • loranna238

      Ok, so – I’m supposed to believe this tabloid nonsense, really? Five Guys. LIke that isn’t marketing and that wasn’t a ploy. None of this is known for sure, and you know what the truth is? That Zoey would have just had a small entry in gaming so far if Enron hadn’t done what he did, which is to do something totally horrible to someone else. And you can’t say that she actually did to that to herself, though you guys seem to think she’s doing everything else to herself.

      You guys seem to think that Ethics means believing a jilted ex lover that practically stalked his ex and then strew her dirty trash online. I think you need to look up what a “witch hunt” is.

      • Rene Caron

        Zoe is well versed troll, previously with SomethingAwful and WeirdTwitter. When the Zoe post hit it was minor affair, however Zoe used her connections to get Reddit and 4chan to prohibit it being discussed. Over 20,000 posts were deleted. This is when masses of people started investigating censorship. Shortly after over a dozen online gaming sites simultaneously printed their ‘Gamers Are Dead’ articles. This infuriated more people. Zoe was discussed in a mailing list called ‘GamesJournoPros’ where they secretly collaborated to spin the narrative in favor of their friend Zoe. When the GameJournoPro emails were exposed even more gamers were upset. This is how Gamergate started. Zoe triggered the Streisand effect and got the attention of the Internet’s worst trolls. Gamergate moved on but Zoe did not. She has been rehashing her moment of fame for almost a year now. She has nothing to do with Gamergate but her narrative that she does brings her over $4000 a month on Patreon. She absolutely has to stay in the news or she’ll have to get a real job like the rest of us. Just watch while this story ups her monthly income by thousands of dollars. Playing the damsel in distress is now a profession as best played by Anita Sarkeesian who pulled in over $400,000 last year even while her ‘hate mail’ was proven to be a fraction of one percent of all her email and Twitter messages. Always follow the money to get to the truth.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “owever Zoe used her connections to get Reddit and 4chan to prohibit it being discussed. ”

          Why shouldn’t organized harassment surrounding a women’s sec life be deleted?

          ” Gamergate moved on but Zoe did not.”

          Then GG should stop lying about her in this thread, right?

        • loranna238

          So you’re saying that her desperate move to preserve her own privacy was…censorship?

        • loranna238

          You know, if she had made a joke of it and let it stand, then maybe…maybe. But not everyone knows how to handle this sort of thing you know? So the first response would be oh my god get rid of it, which of course makes everything think its true. But not everyone knows that when someone publishes something crappy about you, the best thing to do is make a joke out of it. Kind of like Obama has.

        • loranna238

          Her trying to get rid of it and other people going oh my god at the contents an helping is not a smoking gun to me. It was a mistake though.

    • Rick Diehl

      Nick, you guys really should have spent more time in your teen years dating and less time playing games. You might have developed the ability to interact with women without coming across as a sexual predator. In the meantime, that’s what you and every last one of you guys are coming across as, sexual predators. You feel that Quinn did something unethical so now it’s cool to threaten her with murder and rape. You are a simpering little thing aren’t you?

      • Nick Villano

        I don’t give a flying fuck what SHE does with her vag.
        What I DO have a problem with is when people use unethical means to get what they want. i.e, SEX FOR GOOD REVIEWS ON A SHITTY TEXT ADVENTURE. YOU FUCKING NEANDERTHAL.

        • ginmar

          You’re so stupid you buy THAT bullshit in the first place, then claim you totally don’t care about her “vag” just when some dude makes a totally logical, 1000000000000%true accusation ……about her “vag.”

          Talk about a concise demonstration.

          • Nick Villano

            And you’re so stupid that you actually think that this is all to harass one person? Are you that fucking mental?
            Think of it like. . . World War I.
            The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand wasn’t caused what actually the war, there were and whole plethora of reasons (and no, I am not actually calling this a war) and his assassination was the straw that broke the camels back.
            That’s what this is, poor timing.
            And don’t you fucking dare presume to know anything about me from the safety of your keyboard.
            If we were having a conversation in real life about this, would you actually talk to me like a human, or try and get out of it as fast as possible and go blog about how much of a shitty person I was for being concerned about a hobby that is very near and dear to me?
            What do you like to do in your spare time?
            Would you defend it if came under fire from people who know nothing about it and try and label you a violent misogynist simply because you like said thing?

  • katsaysbark

    God, the things men do when they can’t handle rejection. This is terrifying.

    • Elmar Mariamarshall

      And women would never do this when a man cheats on them behind their backs ? Lol what about women that would smash a mans car for cheating on her ? are those justified ?

      • katsaysbark

        lol, it’s cute that you equate the destruction of private property to the ruin of multiple lives

        • Elmar Mariamarshall

          Its cute that you dont see i was giving you an example

          • GP

            And they called you cute for making a false analogy in your example.

            Keep up, Pointdexter!

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Lol are you stalking me ? i think you are . THere have been cases where a men have rejected women cheated on them and they went on to tell the mans job and coworkers about it causing them to lose their jobs , i dont think the guy did a good thing , he could have gone about this any other way

          • GP

            I’m sorry, I get notified when there is a comment on the thread. You want me to stop?

          • ReallyNotThough

            And? This makes what Eron did okay how exactly?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            It doesnt make it ok , i was simply responding to this woman or who i assume to be a women who wrote a comment that seems to be implying that only men would react irrationally to a cheating ex

          • ReallyNotThough

            That person never said “only women.” Stop making this about your insecurities.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            men do when they can’t handle rejection” << THis is implying that only men react this way gp ,

          • GP

            “the things men do when they can’t handle rejection.”

            WHEN they can’t handle rejection.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Women can do the same thing so singling out men is not justice its hypocrisy

          • GP

            Gosh, I guess go find the male equivalent of Eron and Gamergate and we’ll compare and contrast.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            The marry sue and frank cho

          • GP

            Really? A publication wrote an angry break-up manifesto with intent to harm because of a comic cover? Cool story, awful analogy.

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Nope they tried to shame this man for fan art what insued was him getting harrased by angry femenists :)

          • GP

            So not about a relationship, not about someone claiming another did a bunch of things, didn’t write an epic screed and market it on the internet yet Mary Sue saying Cho’s art was shitty and people agreeing = same as Eron & GG.

            No. But good effort. :)

          • GP

            “We’re not calling Cho a bad guy. The Katniss he drew for his daughter’s birthday is adorable; he’s an incredibly talented artist; and he certainly knowshow to draw powerful women with respect. We’re just saying that this Spider-Gwen cover is tasteless, and reductive to the plight of the many women who still struggle to feel accepted in comics. And that’s pretty uncool.”

            God, that awful person really stuck it to them, huh?

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            only when they do it they are cheered for it :p

          • GP

            I agree, Eron has been cheered for it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. It’s implying that men do it. Grammar!

          • Elmar Mariamarshall

            Exactly , that men do it , complelty ignoring the fact that women would do the same thing .

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay. Some dolphins are abusive as well. How many more groups do we need to list?

          • GP

            I’ve pretty much said “only Eron.” Repeatedly.

          • katsaysbark

            and it’s not comparable, it’s ridiculous

      • loranna238

        It doesn’t matter, *anyone* who does this is creepy and scary as hell.

    • Rene Caron

      Not like the women that castrate or murder their boyfriends and husbands.

      • GP

        Or guys who stab girls for refusing to go to prom.

        • NastyNinja

          Or a woman who cuts a fucking baby out of another pregnant woman’s stomach.

          • GP

            Or a man who does that as well.

      • Rick Diehl

        True, the difference is they go to jail, and this shit is still out there being a whiny little bitch of a man.

        • GP

          Word choice, please. I understand the sentiment but no need to use slurs.

          • Rick Diehl

            I’m not so sure that is actually a slur in his case.

          • GP

            Rick, I’m woman, trust me. It’s a slur that denigrates women. And this guy isn’t scum for his lack of masculinity or increased femininity, he’s scum for his lack of humanity.

          • Rick Diehl

            I’m not so sure how calling him an asshole and his fans scum denigrates women. I am honestly confused.

          • Rick Diehl

            Let me try that again, it just hit me you are responding to the other post. Fair point on your part..my apologies.

          • GP

            No worries, easy to forget when we get mad at douche-canoes.

  • Leonard Zelig

    What a shit article. Liberal feminist bias seeping out of every word. The author is doing everything he can to make Gjoni look like a stalker and Quinn into some special feminist snowflake. No wonder everyone hates the mainstream media and feminists.

    • GP

      Which article were you reading where Quinn came off as a Snowflake?

      Gjoni looking like a stalker is all him and most people caught that fact before this article.

      But “Literally Who”, amirite?

      • Circus Cattle

        urite!

    • ReallyNotThough

      “everyone hates the mainstream media and feminists.”

      Yeah those Tine Fey and Amy Poehler ladies sure are pariahs

    • Mr Corrections

      What a shitty little world you inhabit.

    • Rick Diehl

      Gjoni is a stalker. And you creeps supporting him are something worse.

    • loranna238

      Thing with sociopaths is that a lot of believe in them till they realize they are shit. Not the shit they think they are and pretend to be, just shit. The thing about reporters and cops, is they are supposed to be able to tell when the person across from them is a piece of lying, scheming, manipulative shit. So you see that coming out. He’s a piece of shit, and so it came out in the article to the point where it’s pretty much oozing shit-smell.

      He did something horrible here and everyone is like “the devil Zoey.” The guy who ruthlessly plowed through her life because they broke up, created a marketing ploy to get her harassed (five guys is a marketing ploy), and then continued to perpetuate it out of petty revenge and the need to win is not the devil. Right? Am I right? Because Zoey supposedly is a terrorist of some kind when before her boyfriend threw the whore card at her, she just made a game to put on the internet that happened to get a couple of good reviews. But some people don’t like those kind of games, so if anybody gave her a good review, since she’s a whore it must be true and she must be sleeping with them. Let me spell this out to all of you. If someone accuses you of being a whore, and you’ve ever been friends with or talked to another man, then you’re a whore. It’s still like that, and GamerGate proves it. And of course, 5 guys, where he made up the idea, is just darn catchy. Like a hymn. So of course because she’s a whore that makes her the devil.

      In the end, he really is smart, but I think his need to brag outdid himself, boasting like a triumphant villain about to deliver the death blow to his victim. But wait, he just has to tell them. He just has to show how smart he is and how great he is. Because his ego wants it. So he thinks it’s no big deal because no one will believe the reporter either way and GamerGate is so delusional and mired in the “truth” now that they wouldn’t be able to see it if he wrote a confession. Which he kind of did.

  • Bam Bam

    All the characters in this story seem to be nutters.

    • Circus Cattle

      It’s like a mediocre episode of Girls, like the ones where Chris O’Dowd was spectacularly awful.

  • icecreamjones

    Eron has a restraining order against him that is supposed to prevent him from discussing this topic. Boston Magazine is aiding him in violation of said order

    • GP

      That’s a really good point. You should report that to the Boston PD.

      • loranna238

        Yeah, they’ll get right on that.

        • GP

          Yup. Totally gonna do it. Wasn’t an attempt to shift blame off Eron and onto the reporter at all.

    • loranna238

      Actually, the press has the freedom to talk to whoever they want to, it’s the person under the order who is violating it.

  • kitty

    Wow, from reading the comments I’m inclined to say that gamer kids seem like one important reason to restrict US weapon laws. I’m so happy that I’m not a game developer but instead concentrate my coding skills on people who actually deserve them. Kids who act like this deserve nothing better than playing mine sweep for the rest of their lives.

    • Duckparty

      But then we’d have to ban mines too.

      • kitty

        True. Lets invent mine sweep with dummy mines that don’t really blow up, for the little creatures to play with. On Windows 98, like in the good old days.

    • Rene Caron

      Don’t believe everything you read. There’s way more to this story than you read here.

      • ReallyNotThough

        DON”T BELIEVE YOUR EYES THE SJWS ARE EVERYWHERE I HAVE MANY PASTEBINS AND YOUTUBES YOU MUST SEE

        • loranna238

          All praise the Grand Tea Party!

      • kitty

        I judge from what I can read in this comments field. It seems to be filled with nut cases who cannot use Caps Lock properly or keep a decent and respectful tone of conversation. Probably kids <20, most of whom will hopefully grow up someday, but threats are never ok. Never. And the private life is nobody else's business. I have seen what I need to see.

        • GP

          Ya, it’s almost like threatening people is illegal except online, so that’s where they do it? Bonkers theory, I know.

      • Rick Diehl

        No..not really. He’s a stalker asshole and you people that have helped him along the way are scum. Total complete, scum.

        • loranna238

          They don’t think of it that way. They have their “truths” and anything that goes against them will of course be lies or be people fabricating stuff. They feel justified. It’s not scum, they feel righteous. But their righteousness amounts to a witch-hunt in the end. And the fact that the witches aren’t burning and are instead turning the tables on them of course of just confirms that they’re are witches.

          It’s kind of like the whole thing about throwing a witch in the pond. If she sinks, she’s innocent. If doesn’t, and floats, and lives, then they burn her. Because she’s a witch. Either way she’s screwed. It’s the same concept here. But a mob doesn’t really understand rationality, and it’s worse here because they think they are being rational when they are a mob. And their truth makes them righteous, when they are basing it on tabloid class fiction, designed to prey on – which this is very sexist by the way – their instincts that a woman who uses her body to get ahead is evil, she who fornicates is of the devil, and of course because it is a woman, she did it for sure. Cause how else would anyone have given Depression Quest a good review? OF COURSE SHE SLEPT WITH THEM. Grab your torch and pitchfork. Sigh.

        • Jaybone

          Oh, but there IS more to the story. Much more. And yet none of it makes sense. And while troubling, it’s basically immature (though adult) people wrestling with powerful emotions via new technology. I’m not sure they’re scum.

    • loranna238

      I think most people don’t even know about this. Only people who are interested in the industry or a part of it, or want to be a part of it do.

      • kitty

        It does have some spread within the SW development industry as a whole, since many SW developers know people who are game developers. 100 % of these people (that I know) are surprised and quite worried that there is such hatred against several female developers within the business. It needs a better gender balance as it is already, and stories like this do not help to improve the situation.

  • Mark Allan Puchala II

    From one gamer to another, stop this abuse. If you need to be a troll, keep it to a trade chat or chatroom. The moment you take it to any social media or public forums, your own human nature will turn you into a monster without you even realizing it. Stop yourselves before you start fighting for exactly what you wish to stand against. The game industry depends on you, and so depends on this reform.

    • loranna238

      Ok, I don’t think the people in Baltimore are going to listen, it’s too late. Wait. Oh shoot, it’s not that it’s GamerGate. Maybe we’re talking about the same thing though.

  • Eggard Snark

    It’s been 8 months, #gamergate is so bad at harassment that nobody has even been charged with a crime.

    Meanwhile all the outlets have started disclosing their connections, recusing themselves from reviewing titles, etc.

    GG has reformed “ethics in journalism” while costing Gawker millions, what has the opposition done besides open their wallets to eBeggars?

    • ReallyNotThough

      Actually, as the Congressional committee found, the isssue is the law enforcement is so bad at stopping GG’s harassment.

      “GG has reformed “ethics in journalism””

      Sure, tell yourself that, then maybe go away forever.

      • Eggard Snark

        no thanks, if GG went away then you would have to find something else to do with all of your righteous anger.

        GG has already accomplished its “ethics” goals, anyone can go see them for themselves.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “GG has already accomplished its “ethics” goals, ”

          Then all that’s left is the harassment? Maybe stop then?

          • Eggard Snark

            what harassment would that be?

            if you have evidence give it to the FBI because they couldn’t find any

          • ReallyNotThough

            They actually found a lot. They suck at prosecuting anonymous users.

            You won, like, so hard. Everything is ethical and always will be and it’s all thanks to your super important lies about a woman’s sex life. Go away now.

          • Eggard Snark

            “anonymous users”

            so you admit they are anonymous? do you have magic powers that allow you to strip away their anonymity? The federal government does and they couldn’t find anything either.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “so you admit they are anonymous”

            Yes. Most of GG is.

            “do you have magic powers that allow you to strip away their anonymity?”

            …no?

          • Eggard Snark

            so how do you know they are supporters and not trolls? is it because you are such a special little snowflake?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Largely because they use the GG tag, harass people based on the lies GG tells about them, and openly say they support GG.

          • Eggard Snark

            who does this?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Roguestar, Cameralady, Adam Baldwin, Roosh V, Milo, Cernovich, and about 1000 other assholes.

          • Eggard Snark

            so you have evidence of them threatening and harassing people and not, say, mocking them?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. Google any Storify about them.

          • Eggard Snark

            the burden of proof is not on me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay then. I’m glad you take the issue of harassment in your movement seriously.

          • Eggard Snark

            I don’t take it seriously because it doesn’t exist. it only exists in your mind with all of the other battles you fight in your head see a therapist.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, and now calling me schizophrenic.

            Yeah, seems like you def are a good authority on what harassment is.

          • Eggard Snark

            oh wait, nm, in your special snowflake world saying badthink words about someone hawassment.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I think harassment is harassment. Maybe GG could do less of it.

          • Eggard Snark

            uh huh, you know it when you see it? you sound like an evangelical puritan talking about porn.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Any more GG talking points you feel like copy and pasting?

          • Eggard Snark

            do you take everyone on the Internet at their word? Would you like to buy some magic beans?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Why wouldn’t I take someone at their word that they support GG? What other criteria for GG is there?

    • GP

      I tell you what though, GG is getting laws against cyber-harassment more traction because of their behaviour. They’ll always have that.

    • Mr Corrections

      What a load of horseshit.

      • Eggard Snark

        except that polygon, pootaku and the rest all disclose now and do everything #gamergate asked of them.

        • Mr Corrections

          Gosh, that unnoticeable change, which almost certainly has nothing to do with you, sure does justify threatening multiple women with death and rape

          • Eggard Snark

            who is threatening women? what evidence do you have of this harassment? should I just take your word for it?

          • Mr Corrections

            GamerGate is threatening women. That is what GamerGates exists to do.

            I hope that helps!

          • Eggard Snark

            prove it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Twitter search any GG target’s name and the gamergate hashtag.

            There ya go.

          • Eggard Snark

            someone already did, the result was > 98% nonthreatening, mostly rightly deserved mockery.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh well that makes the 2% that are harassment okay then.

            Also, I’m going to go ahead and say that the GG definition of “mockery” involves fat shaming, transphobia, and other harassment, right?

          • Eggard Snark

            fat shaming? you mean when insecure fat women get upset and angry at fit women?

          • ReallyNotThough

            No.

          • Eggard Snark

            I get it, you are one of those rainbow haired insecure fatties, ain’t ya? how many piercings do you have?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha good example of GG harassment, yeah, maybe if GG didn’t do this constantly, people wouldn’t point out that you do it constantly.

          • Eggard Snark

            what? make fun of you for being a big fat toothless baby?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Dig, dig, dig that hole!

          • GP

            Wow, you called it.

          • Eggard Snark

            2% being one off post trolls.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure, sure. Yet, here you are, harassing total strangers. Maybe do that less when trying to pretend you don’t do that.

          • Eggard Snark

            harassing? what a big baby you are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? You’re the one who is upset at people calling a spade a spade.

          • Eggard Snark

            “asking for evidence” = harassment

          • ReallyNotThough

            What part of asking for evidence involved implying I was fat and crazy?

          • Mr Corrections

            No need; it’s not even in dispute.

          • GP

            Just back away slowly. Don’t make sudden movements or they’ll remind you no one has been hurt, they’ve actually helped Quinn adn this is about ethics anyway.

          • Eggard Snark

            helped who? no, the ones that are helping her are the fools the open their wallets for her.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          Did they drop the progressive angle too, or was GG not able to boycott that out of them?

  • Eggard Snark

    if you have evidence of harassment from #gamergate please submit it to the FBI because they were unable to find any for some reason, even though you say it exists and stuff.

    • Mohamed Mahdi

      I already did that and baphomet provided lots of it.I did it in January.

  • Eggard Snark

    http://www.fbi.gov/

    if you have, like, all this evidence and stuff, why aren’t you helping federal law enforcement? stop being greedy!

  • Jaybone

    Events and the stories surrounding them have become so complex, I have no idea what to make of them or what to believe. And who, perhaps other than the author and the people mentioned in his story, is going to read the over 4,000 comments here? 4,000 and still climbing. Meanwhile, there are only 32 comments on the initial post of the “Zoe Post” wordpress site. WTF is going on?

    • ReallyNotThough

      There are a lot of summaries out there.

      A good rule of thumb though is, if someone is part of a mob stalking and harassing a woman about lies about her sex life, they’re probably also going to lie to you.

      • Eggard Snark

        how do you know the people trolling her and you are gamergate supporters and not… trolls and goons getting lulz out of you?

        oh wait you don’t so why should I just take your word for it, stranger on the internet?

        • ReallyNotThough

          Is there a meaningful difference?

          GG spreads lies about women.

          People saying they’re GG attack that woman based on those lies.

          Everything else is semantics.

          • Eggard Snark

            “GG spreads lies about women.”

            who spreads what lies? why do you expect people to just take your word for everything you say?

          • ReallyNotThough

            About 100 people on this very thread have tried to claim that Quinn had sex for coverage.

  • Eggard Snark

    >admits that “harassers” are anonymous
    >knows harassment is coming from #gamergate (and not trolls/goons)

    where did you get your magic e-powers?

  • Eggard Snark

    Don’t forget that Purest Queen “Zoe” (fake name) was obsessed with Hell Dump, a notorious doxxing board for goons.

    Make no mistake she is a goon through and through.

    • GP

      Are you new to Gamergate or something?

    • Mohamed Mahdi

      Let me guess you got that info from the 8channer gamergaters and are using it as evidence without fact checking it. Maybe 8chan is the true leader of GG?

  • Snakes on a Car

    Progressiveism is a war on whites.

    • ReallyNotThough

      That’s pretty much GG in a nutshell, yeah.

      • Eggard Snark

        let me guess, this poster is a gamergate supporter, right?

        • ReallyNotThough

          I have no idea. Sounds a lot like GG founder Adam Baldwin though, yeah.

          • Eggard Snark

            you don’t know, but you will attribute because you are a stupid ideological cultist crybaby who can’t handle criticism.

          • ReallyNotThough

            …no?

            Maybe read more and froth less?

          • Eggard Snark

            no, what I said is true. I asked for evidence and even though you continue to reply to me with baseless bs you accuse ME of harassing YOU.

            You are a pathetic bad faith crybaby and you are the reason GG even exists.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I never said this guy was GG. You did.

            “you are the reason GG even exists.”

            Glad you can admit that game reviews don’t even enter into it.

          • Eggard Snark

            I like GG because it is pushback against the progressive puritans and their internet shame mob.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right, nothing to do with ethics, good on you for admitting it.

          • Snakes on a Car

            there’s enough snake for errrbody

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            This guy is gaining on Woody for “Most Unhinged Gater in the Comments.”

          • Snakes on a Car

            Ladies, Ladies, you two don’t have to fight over me. You two can share.

    • Rick Diehl

      Ah so you’ve got a racism issue too? It must be really sad being you. Stupid, bigoted, sexist and a virgin. Damm that’s a rough way to go through life.

      • Snakes on a Car

        Damn brah, you so Alpha.

        • Rick Diehl

          Yep, totally. It’s why I laugh at people like you.

  • Snakes on a Car

    White Liberalism is a cancer and it is destroying Western Civilization.

    • GP

      I like your screen name. Have you seen the YTMND “Snakes on an Old-Timey Plane?”

      • Snakes on a Car

        I just have and I chuckled.

  • Snakes on a Car

    Feminists don’t really play video games.

    • GP

      I like that you’re here. You’re a good reminder of what old fashioned trolling is about. You should teach do workshop with these GG kids.

  • Eggard Snark

    asking for evidence of harassment = harassment

    Never question Jim Jones.

    • GP

      Yes sir, Mr. Jones.

      • Eggard Snark

        how is the kool aid at jonestown?

        • NastyNinja

          Hopefully they end the same way.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Maybe if you could ask for evidence without calling people fat, GG would have more cachet.

      • Snakes on a Car

        But Zoe Quinn is fat.

      • Eggard Snark

        shut up

        • ReallyNotThough

          Strong point from a real pro.

          • Eggard Snark

            right, I am expected to be civil with a bad faith ideologue. I don’t play your stupid games get a life loser.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I don’t play your stupid games get a life loser.”

            Seeing as my game is “show the world how awful and pointless GG is, and how much it’s centered on men and boys yelling at people for no reason”

            Ya, you’re playing it hard.

          • Eggard Snark

            and I am harassing you so hard that you can’t stop replying you must be super duper triggered.

            a loser and liar you must be a progressive.

          • ReallyNotThough

            lol wut

            Harassment and triggering are different things.

            Maybe don’t harass people and everyone won’t keep pointing out that you harass them.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

            Keep going through your buzzword card, you’ll find something that sticks!

  • Snakes on a Car

    Feminists try to castrate me everyday.

    • GP

      You come here you! It’s that time of the day! I’m gonna cut off your wee willy winky!

      • Snakes on a Car

        My anaconda don’t want none unless Zoe Quinn has buns hun.

        • GP

          Snip snipperoo! Here comes the feminist!

    • Rick Diehl

      When they eventually succeed, the entire gene pool will celebrate.

      • Snakes on a Car

        White liberals told me that eugenics is racist.

        • Rick Diehl

          In your case we were lying.

          • Snakes on a Car

            Check your ableist privilege.

          • Rick Diehl

            Ha, you are so confused with the type of person pissing on your Wheaties. I get that. In your world the only ones who could possibly be pissed off at you are the people suffering from white liberal guilt. They are certainly here, but then there are people like me who are here, more because you guys are such assholes than anything else. Let’s be real son, you’re a geek, a nerd a spaz, whatever you call yourselves these days, but regardless, you are someone who really needs to be picked on and picked on often for their own good. That’s where I come in. You’re someone to be laughed at.

  • Eggard Snark

    progressive scum hate gamergate because it stands against progressive puritan shame tactics and bullying.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Yeah sure, not like this very article is about disliking bullies who attack women for no reason.

    • Rick Diehl

      I get that none of you has ever actually gotten laid, but trust me, acting like you do, it’s still not going to happen.

      • NastyNinja

        Why do you sjw retards always speculate on other people’s sex lives….fuckin’ creepy dude.

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          The lack of irony in this one is astounding.

          • NastyNinja

            I’m sure you are astounded when someone plays peek a boo with you.

        • Rick Diehl

          SJW? Cute term. We always speculate on your sex lives because it is pretty obvious from the way the lot of you act, that you’ve never had sex. It’s pretty much the basis for most of your issues. You’re creepy, the people you are sexually attracted too find you repulsive so you lash out like an infant. Pretty standard story, way, way older then this gamergate silliness.

          • NastyNinja

            I can tell by your post that you have sex all the time….most likely non-consensual sex with little boys. But you find the time to white-knight in forums to throw off the scent. Very clever. They will never catch you.

          • Rick Diehl

            Okay, so your big fantasy is young boys. Well that’s a tough one. While they won’t mind that you’re a smelly little thing as much as some others, the psoriasis is still likely to scare them away. My suggestion for you is of age male prostitutes. They won’t be as fun as the boys I’m sure, but if you pay them enough I am certain one of them somewhere will touch your pee pee. Good luck.

  • Eggard Snark

    whaa whaaa I saw a hot girl in a video game change it!

    get a life.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Do you ever think that, if you weren’t in a cult, you wouldn’t have to imagine opinions for your “enemies”?

      • Eggard Snark

        shouldn’t you be vandalizing property because someone took a picture of a beautiful woman in a bikini?

        • ReallyNotThough

          Nope, on account of me not doing that.

          Shouldn’t you be crying over Gamers Aren’t Your Audience?

  • Eggard Snark

    whaa whaa I saw a woman in a bikini in protein ad vandalize their property and fire someone whaa whaa I’m super progressive whaa whaa!

    • ReallyNotThough

      Good work bringing in unrelated political grievances.

      Such ethics. Much journalism.

      • Eggard Snark

        it’s all the same, it’s about all of you tasteless progressive puritans trying to police art.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Sure, sure. Just like all of Scientology’s enemies are RPs, right?

          • Eggard Snark

            right, because progressives don’t routinely shame people into “apologizing” for “offending” them with pictures of beautiful women and joke on tombstones, a scientist’s shirt, or whatever outrage du jour catches your fancy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh no people apologize the horror

            the horror

            THE HORROR

            the horror?

            Yeah, the horror.

            Maybe GG should harass women less.

          • Eggard Snark

            the horror is you being perpetually offended because you think are special.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right, I’m the one who is offended. Not the guy who thinks that a woman having sex is some kind of attack on his toys.

          • Eggard Snark

            I don’t care about who she has sex with I’m not a progressive i.e. constantly obsessing over who is porking who and what everyone does with their genitals.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure sure you just support a movement that lies about her sex life constantly

            Speaking of easily offended crybabies, have you heard that Gamers are Dead?

          • Mr Corrections

            What does that have to do with the death threats GamerGate sends?

          • Eggard Snark

            what death threats? from who?

          • Mr Corrections

            From GamerGate, the misogynist hate group founded by a crybaby stalker that exists only to threaten and harass women. Honestly, try to keep up.

          • Eggard Snark

            how does a hashtag send death threats?

            name names.

          • Mr Corrections

            What does that have to do with GamerGate, the woman-hating group of losers founded by a crybaby stalker to harass, intimidate, and threaten female game developers?

          • Eggard Snark

            who are these people and who are they harassing? since they are such a nasty vile hate group it should be easy for you to post “evidence” do you know what that is? And not random troll account death threats, actual evidence.

            don’t waste your time because there isn’t any or it would be all over this thread.

          • ReallyNotThough

            They are GamerGate. They are harassing dozens of women.

          • Erik Miles

            Why must you run from Absurdest-Man!?
            The coconuts are feeling sassy, and they’re quite displeased!

          • Mohamed Mahdi

            I wouldn’t say he founded it, but he definitely fueled it with his actions.

        • Mr Corrections

          Sorry that you hate basic civil rights, but that’s no excuse for threatening people.

          • NastyNinja

            You shouldn’t threaten people either.

          • Mr Corrections

            Luckily, I haven’t.

          • NastyNinja

            Neither has gg supporter. Burden of proof, numb nuts.

          • Mr Corrections

            Bullshit.

  • Erik Miles

    So for those of you that came in a little late, let’s play a forum game. It’s called the “Spot the 3 Assumptions in the ‘Gater comment.” Whoever points out the most, wins. To recap, the assumptions are as follows:

    1.) There are no real problems with inclusion or representation in gaming.

    2.) Any problems that do exist don’t matter because that’s just market economics
    appealing to the majority of players

    3.) The status quo, as they perceive it through the lens of assumptions 1 and 2,
    is a natural state, thus any disruption is inherently artificial.

    So far, I’ve counted up to about 10 variations of these assumptions, and it’s still growing.

    Have fun, folks.

    • NastyNinja

      Count your brain cells. It will take much less time.

      • Erik Miles

        Who is this Erik? I am Absurdest-Man!
        My llamas would like some help with their lawnmower mortgage!

  • Snakes on a Car

    Gaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  • Eggard Snark

    Remember when progressive puritans shamed a scientist over his shirt?

    • Mr Corrections

      Remember when GamerGate shutins harassed a woman non-stop for years?

      • Eggard Snark

        years? how did gamergate do that years ago if it is only like 8 months old? could it be you don’t know what you are talking about?

        • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurptain America

          As it happens, Depression Quest came out in 2013, and wouldn’t you know it, plenty of people were mad at it back then for “not being a real game.”

      • NastyNinja

        With a name like Mr. Corrections…..should you really be saying moronic shit like that?

        • Mr Corrections

          With a dumb-ass name like NastyNinja, shouldn’t you suck real bad? Oh wait – never mind.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Remember when GG threw a 6-month tantrum over three articles saying that a shirt wasn’t professional?

      • Eggard Snark

        Gawker remembers, it cost them all their ads. Gamasutra remembers too, they canned Leigh. Intel remembers too, they pulled out again.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Um, Leigh left so she could run her own site.

          Intel is back in, with a partnership with FemFreq.

          Do you ever think that life not in a cult might be more fun, since you wouldn’t have to lie about everything all the time?

          • NastyNinja

            Lying, eh? Like cheating on your bf with your boss for personal gain and then denying it. And then months later tell people your bf beat you for sympathy and no doubt more personal gain? Yah, shit does get old.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Like cheating on your bf with your boss for personal gain”

            didn’t happen, why keep lying?

            “tell people your bf beat you for sympathy”

            Don’t think she did, but also, wouldn’t put it past Eron.

    • Erik Miles

      Hello, I am Absurdest-Man!
      The bananas scream wildly into the night!

  • Sterling Ericsson

    Woo, 600 new comments while I was gone for 2 hours.

    • Eggard Snark

      Airport’s Law in full effect in this thread.

      http://i.imgur.com/lA6i7ZD.png

      • ReallyNotThough

        Right yeah we’re definitely the ones with psychosexual inadequacy issues, not the manchildren calling women they’ve never met whores hundreds of times a day

        • Eggard Snark

          go away goony beardman.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Strong points from someone dripping with confidence.

          • Eggard Snark

            she will never touch your penis.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No kidding.

            Still, I choose to be a decent human being and stand up to bullying. Interesting, huh?

          • Erik Miles

            You know what Asurdest-Man suggests you do touch though?
            Lavender. It’s simply heavenly.

          • NastyNinja

            lol

      • Sterling Ericsson

        Weird, I thought the goony beardmen were MRAs that were a part of A Voice For Men and Return of Kings.

        Not to mention MGTOWs.

      • Rick Diehl

        That would make more sense if any of the gamergate folks had ever had anything more interesting happen to them other then fumbling toward second base in their mom’s basement. Possibly with Mom.

        • Eggard Snark

          goony beard man, right on cue.

        • Eggard Snark

          thanks for sharing your childhood trauma btw. seek therapy like every other loon.

          • Rick Diehl

            Now see I get a huge kick out of you personally. You’re not too bright, not too witty, but you are convinced you are. Stupidity mixed with a massive ego, always a good time on the internet.

          • Eggard Snark

            now, I am way smarter than I bet you don’t even know calculus bro you look like a fat bald fawk

          • Rick Diehl

            And still prettier than you I am sure.

  • Eggard Snark

    Notice how when you ask for simple things like evidence, it never comes. Since gamergate is such a vile criminal hate group it should be easy to provide actual evidence of real people connected to the tag actually harassing people.

    gamergate haters are so desperate that they reported on a FAKE YOUTUBE CHARACTER as if it were a real person.

    • ReallyNotThough

      You’re providing it yourself. You just said that GG has nothing to do with ethics and that fatshaming harassment is a normal part of how GG engages with women.

      • Eggard Snark

        I didn’t say that. I just made fun of you for being so stupid.

        • ReallyNotThough

          So when you said that most of GG’s messages to women who don’t want to talk to them are mockery, you didn’t mean insults and harassment?

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man would like to know if you wish to have these front low seats to the lederhousen opera!

  • Eggard Snark

    If there were actual evidence it would be ALL OVER THIS THREAD.

    Instead, just a bunch of white knights and progressive tards spinning their #ListenAndBelieve gobbledygook

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man returns, the revengeance!
      Quick, I must arm the mustard cannons from my armpits!

    • ReallyNotThough

      It is.

  • Eggard Snark

    don’t forget to donate to Rebel Game Jam LOLOLOLOL!

    there’s a sucker born every minute.

    • ReallyNotThough

      ….eron’s legal fund is at 13K

      • Eggard Snark

        he will need it to defend himself against his BPD sociopathic ex girlfriend who raped him.

        • ReallyNotThough

          defend against what lawsuit

        • ReallyNotThough

          Also, so I guess when you said below you don’t care about Quinn, you were lying, huh?

        • Mohamed Mahdi

          She never raped him stop spreading lies dude.

          • Eggard Snark

            she did so, according to her own definition of rape she raped him.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Pretty sure her definition didn’t include “sleeping with other guys while on a break in the relationship”

          • Dexter

            By her definition yea she “raped him” Though like most things Zoe has said, it’s ridiculous and stupid.

            One of the lies that rolled out of her mouth was the claimed that having unprotected sex with someone outside a relationship, then coming back and having unprotected sex with your partner without telling them you had unprotected sex is akin to rape because if your partner knew you cheated, they would not consent to sex.

            That’s not rape. That’s just being dishonest and uncaring about your partner’s well being. While scummy, definitely NOT rape.

            In all honesty, this was all probably manipulation. Cheaters often express disgust at the act of infidelity just as really good liars will tell you that they are, in fact, terrible at lying.

          • ReallyNotThough

            They were on a break.

            Did she say rape was sleeping around while on a break?

            Was the sex unprotected?

            “cheated”

            Nope, that’s not cheating.

            ” Cheaters often express disgust at the act of infidelity”

            That doesn’t speak well for all of GG.

          • Dexter

            Agreed they were on a break so it wasn’t cheating hence my Friends reference.
            That being said, the numerous other times while they weren’t on a break WAS cheating.

            It’s clear you didn’t read my post

            Yes

            Yes, cheated.

            What’s not cheating?

            I don’t give a fuck who it speaks well for. It’s common sense that there are more people who are OK with cheating than people who ADMIT they’re OK with cheating. It’s a common tactic used by manipulators to convey a strong antipathy towards behaviors they are known to resort to. Especially when dealing with someone who is unaware of their past behaviors.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “That being said, the numerous other times while they weren’t on a break WAS cheating.”

            None of which have any evidence other than an abuser’s word.

            “What’s not cheating?” Having sex on a break, try to keep up.

            ” It’s a common tactic used by manipulators to convey a strong antipathy towards behaviors they are known to resort to.”

            Know what’s also a common tactic of manipulators? Getting other people to spread their lies and harass and threaten women who they stalk.

            Hmm, looks like we have plenty of evidence of Gjoni doing that, and no hard evidence at all of Quinn cheating. Interesting.

          • Dexter

            lol “keep up” she says after listing her reply to me in a line by line format and then randomly throwing “That’s not cheating” halfway down in the mix as if I had claimed halfway through my post that it was cheating.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I had claimed halfway through my post that it was cheating.”

            You did claim she cheated. There is no evidence of that, save from her delusion and lying abuser.

            Can we agree on that?

          • Dexter

            Sigh. Gotta love quotes that are snipped mid sentence. I said “_As if_ I said *halfway* through my post that she was cheating” I did mention it, but your line by line reply caused confusion.

            The only evidence of her cheating is when she admitted she cheated in a chat log.

            You’re really passionate about this. Why do you care so much to defend her?

            What I think we CAN agree on is that while she is manipulative, and by all accounts, not a good person, she in no way deserved any kind of threats to her well being. Airing your personal and intimate chat logs on the internet is not a cool thing to do – though cheating is 1,000x worse. Would you agree that the actions of a scorned lover, on some level, are partly to blame on the one who caused the deep emotional turmoil and mental anguish one undergoes when they are betrayed by someone they love? Being cheated on is a life changing traumatic event.

            But that’s all moot if you don’t believe she cheated

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Why do you care so much to defend her?”

            Because maybe people shouldn’t be attacked for no reason because nerds are easily convinced that someone is taking their toys?

            “by all accounts, not a good person,”

            BS. I’ve seen lots of good she’s done.

            “Would you agree that the actions of a scorned lover, on some level, are partly to blame on the one who caused the deep emotional turmoil and mental anguish one undergoes when they are betrayed by someone they love?”

            Nope, because, get this, I don’t buy into the logic of abusers and stalkers, crazy I know.

            “But that’s all moot if you don’t believe she cheated”

            Well, seeing as there’s no evidence of it other than a lying abuser’s word, what do you expect? That I’d take it on faith?

          • Dexter

            “No reason” lol I guess this is true if you’re operating under the claim that there was no manipulation or cheating. So this point is moot.

            What good has she done?

            abuser/stalker logic? LOL

            There’s evidence. You just believe it’s faked.
            Fair enough. Done discussing that with you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “no manipulation”

            Doesn’t seem to be. The chatlogs show her being anxious and upset about him staying with a lady who he just met and who wants to have sex with him. My wife would be too. Welcome to real life.

            “or cheating”

            It’s almost as if I need evidence for claims.

            “What good has she done?” Crash Override, volunteering at computer camps, supporting trans folks, retweeting charities, off the top of my head.

            “There’s evidence. You just believe it’s faked.”

            Why would I believe a lying abuser about his victim? Why would anyone?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, yes, abuser and stalker logic.

            If you blame someone else’s actions for what you do to them, you sound like a wifebeater. That’s a plain as I can put it.

  • Eggard Snark

    Fact: Zoe Quinn raped Eron Gjoni (according to Zoe Quinn)

    • ReallyNotThough

      opinion.

      Also, where was the “This isn’t about Quinn” troll from twenty minutes ago whom we all knew and loved?

      • Eggard Snark

        no, according to her definition, it is a fact. she is a rapist according to her. this is a fact.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Did she say that being on a break was rape?

        • NastyNinja

          Yes. By her definition…..didn’t she rape him five times that we know of?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Her definition included having sex on a break?

          • NastyNinja

            She gave him AIDS

          • ReallyNotThough

            This right here? That’s why no-one cares what GG has to say about anything.

            You’re a movement composed entirely of trolls trying to convince us that trolls aren’t part of your movement.

          • NastyNinja

            LOL. To be honest, I used to try to talk to you fools but discovered that it’s a waste of time. You have the memory of a goldfish. We debunk your shit one day only for you to pretend to forget the next. We buy the games anyway so the market gives us what we want. Haha. Suck it. :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “debunk” haha

            “We buy the games anyway so the market gives us what we want.”

            And increasingly, the market also gives us what we want. See? There was no need to lie about and harass women at all!

          • NastyNinja

            Did you beat Revolution 60 or Depression Quest yet lol?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Waiting for Rev60 on IOS, played through DQ.

            I’m more into DA:I though right now, enjoying all the alternative sexualities

          • ReallyNotThough

            *on PC

          • NastyNinja

            10/10 amiright?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’d give DA:I a 9. Maybe an 8.5. Rogue class was poorly designed, and they should have had one fewer region and a lot more narrative.

          • NastyNinja

            How dare you. It’s 10/10 across the board. Don’t you dare try and mansplain a lower score to me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha you get how GG are the only ones who harass reviewers for not giving 10/10, right?

          • NastyNinja

            They should have given Gone Home 11/10

          • ReallyNotThough

            you guys are so obsessed with that game, go back to Vanishing of Ethan Carter

          • NastyNinja

            Omg….I did not consent to your comment. You just forum raped me. Well, time to start a Patreon.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Wouldn’t life be easier if your cult didn’t require you to be a disingenuous loser who just annoys people with statements he doesn’t believe?

          • NastyNinja

            Well, I’m sure I don’t “listen and believe” to the extent you do lol

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure you don’t not like you’ve been here for hours arguing the lie that Quinn had sex for coverage or anything

          • NastyNinja

            I’m not saying she banged him for coverage. I’m saying she got favorable coverage she most likely would not have gotten had she not fucked him. But also, the fact that they had a romantic relationship was a conflict of interest anyway….period.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I’m saying she got favorable coverage she most likely would not have gotten had she not fucked him”

            Okay but unless you can show me Kotaku’s time machine, there is no way cause can follow effect.

            ” But also, the fact that they had a romantic relationship was a conflict of interest anyway….period.”

            Then it’s good that he never wrote about her while they had a relationship, right?

            Why does your cult make you pretend you don’t understand that time is linear?

          • NastyNinja

            You really should do some reading outside of your echo chamber. HELLO hello hello….

          • ReallyNotThough

            My echo chamber… of linear time?

    • Erik Miles

      Fact: Absurdest-Man likes to slow dance to the smooth stylings of Kanye West!

      • GP

        Wooooh! Shake it, Absurdest-Man!

  • Eggard Snark

    Fact: Zoe Quinn gaslighted Eron Gjoni

    • ReallyNotThough

      If gaslighting is wrong, you must feel pretty negatively towards Eron for blaming Quinn for GG hurting other women, right?

      • Eggard Snark

        so you admit that your rapist heroine is an abusive gaslighter?

        • ReallyNotThough

          No. Unlike your BS, I can actually see Eron gaslight with my own eyes, in real time.

    • Erik Miles

      Fact: Absurdest-Man would like to inform you about the wonders of body glitter and how turtles really bring the room together on sag-carpets.

  • Eggard Snark

    Fact: Zoe Quinn is a gaslighting rapist (according to her definition of rape)

    oh, and she probably stabbed someone in the face and screwed over someone who did a photo shoot with her, among other awesome things.

    You all really picked a bright star to hitch your wagon to, huh?

    • ReallyNotThough

      Reported for spam.

    • Erik Miles

      Fact: Absurdest-Man just discovered the lilac actually feels wonderful with a side of toast.

  • Eggard Snark

    Fact: Zoe Quinn longs for the day when she can run away (again) make a new life and name (again) and start over (again). poor lipshit.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Who wouldn’t after the shit you put her through?

      • Eggard Snark

        my heart bleeds for all these charlatans who make a living ebegging from saps like you.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Well, I mean, if you had empathy, you probably wouldn’t be in harassment movement.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Also, can we take a second and marvel at the cultish cognitive dissonance here?

          One the one hand, you argue that Zoe made it all up for Patreon money and fame.

          On the other, you say she wants to give up all her patreons and fame and run away.

          But in a cult, both can be true!

    • Erik Miles

      Fact: Absurdest-Man has found out that the llamas’s lawnmower had to go into foreclosure, and that she must return to clown college.

      • GP

        :( I hope she’s not being forced down that career path just because her parents were clowns too.

        • Erik Miles

          Sadly, her parents were also killed by a bat.

          • GP

            Oh no! Then maybe she will honour them with her clowning. RIP Llama parents!

  • blatherskitenoir .

    What a disgusting little worm Gjoni is. I imagine if someone set up a crowd-funding site where people could donate a dollar to hire someone to beat the tar out of him, it would beat the latest records for most money raised in the least amount of time.

    • Eggard Snark

      stop advocating harassment.

  • Eggard Snark

    Airport’s Law in full effect

    Goony goony geardman are all over this thread

    http://i.imgur.com/lA6i7ZD.png

    • ReallyNotThough

      Look, I get that being a decent person is just so beyond the realm of possibility for you, but it isn’t for others.

      • Eggard Snark

        and here comes one, right on cue! goony beardman to the rescue!

        • ReallyNotThough

          Yep, someone caring about someone who isn’t themselves- to manchildren, it’s like magic, I know.

    • Erik Miles

      You should hear about what Absurdest-Man’s first rule is:
      “Always fold your socks into neat triangles with packets of ketchup.”

  • Eggard Snark

    don’t worry damsels, the goony beard men of the Internet are here to save you fwom da eeeee-vil GamerGate!

    • ReallyNotThough

      lol u mad

      • Eggard Snark

        not really, just can’t get over how you can’t help replying to every single post I make, stop harassing me!

        • ReallyNotThough

          haha woooow u mad

          • Eggard Snark

            you wish goony beard man.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure insult insult psychosexual issue projection got it covered, u mad tho

          • Eggard Snark

            you sound like you talk a therapist often, good it sounds like you could use the help.

          • ReallyNotThough

            insult insult projection insult, u still so mad tho

          • Eggard Snark

            if you say so dfasd oj aseifj asefji aeif asd,.mvxci fm

    • Erik Miles

      No worries, confused, egg shaped citizen!
      Absurdest-Man is here to protect the weak with his trusty clams!

  • Eggard Snark

    gooba gobba doo doo poo Zoe Quinn

    • ReallyNotThough

      In final stage, the manchild reverts fully to a baby.

    • GP

      Most intelligent thing you’ve said all day.

    • Erik Miles

      Asurdest-Man is also a fan of the comedic style of Bill Cosby having a seizure.

  • Eggard Snark

    I can post gibberish and you will respond:

    asdfsdfdfdfsdfeaf efs3ef asdrgasd

    • ReallyNotThough

      your life sounds rewarding

      • Eggard Snark

        tell me about it.

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man appreciates you singing the song of your people. I’m honored.

  • Eggard Snark

    adsf sdf sda qw w 923r 239m xve 23

    • ReallyNotThough

      Reported for spam.

    • Eggard Snark

      this is an exert from my dissertation in women’s studies at progressive university.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Wow for your own safety never try a stand-up comedy routine, I’m embarassed for you and I don;t even know you

        • Eggard Snark

          w/e you are insanely jealous

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahaha yeah who wouldn’t want the life of a man so insecure he has to harass women online

    • Erik Miles

      Ah
      The music of the Egg people…
      ….Such majesty…

  • Eggard Snark

    you all just can’t enough of this hot egg action. you must lead exciting lives.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Tell us more of the ways of life, oh manchild who is confused by empathy and spends time calling women whores on the Internet

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man is wondering if you’d like some avocado with your sag-carpet!

  • Snakes on a Car

    TROLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLZZZZZZZZZZ

    • ReallyNotThough

      Yes, you’re a troll. We’re all very trolled.

      • Snakes on a Car

        They see me trolling, they hatin’, trying to catch me trollin’ dirty, trying to catch me trollin’ dirty

    • Eggard Snark

      goony bead men are thirsty to impress the damsels.

  • Eggard Snark

    how many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?

    50. 1 to change it, 5 to write about how it is patriarchy’s fault and 43 to beg for money on patreon.

    • ReallyNotThough

      so weak

      • Eggard Snark

        don’t forget to donate.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Don’t forget to never try to make jokes in public, jfc.

        • Mr Corrections

          Speaking of which, I love that you idiots wasted 9 grand on sneaking a booth into a gaming convention, only to get kicked out and banned before it even opened.

          • Eggard Snark

            “you idiots”

            take off your tinfoil hat.

          • Mr Corrections

            Are you saying there is a conspiracy to make GamerGate losers look like idiots? Because you’re actually right – it’s called GamerGate.

          • Eggard Snark

            no, you are the one buying into baseless conspiracy theories. go take your vitamins Alex Jones.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re a dimwitted loser, but I cannot be blamed for that situation – it’s entirely of your own making.

          • Eggard Snark

            dimwitted losers believe baseless conspiracy theories they read on the Mary Sue.

          • Mr Corrections

            Nah, they harass and threaten people on the internet, and think that nobody will believe their victims.

            I hope that helps!

          • Eggard Snark

            You would drink the Kool Aid if the Mary Sue told you MRA’s were coming to get you.

          • Eggard Snark

            next we are going to release chemtrails over E3.

          • Eggard Snark

            gamergate did 9/11

    • Mr Corrections

      Pissweak.

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man has no need for light bulbs
      Only Mangoes.

  • Eggard Snark

    what is the difference between a beggar on the street eating trash and kickstarter?

    one of them holds out a paper cup.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Dude I know Eron looks homeless but that’s low.

    • Sterling Ericsson

      So, you’re just trolling by posting every minute, right?

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man also used Papercups. After all, how else would I finish my trigonometry.

  • Eggard Snark

    I never expected so many goony beard men would be here to pay attention to me, thanks fellas.

    • Mr Corrections

      How much longer is your tantrum going to last?

      • Eggard Snark

        depends on how much longer you will keep replying. I’m good if you are sweetie.

        • Mr Corrections

          Hey, if you want to have a spectacular public meltdown, don’t let me stop you. You’re sure demonstrating something or other.

          • Eggard Snark

            meltdown? lol I’ve had a blast trolling all of you thirsty knights for the past hour.

          • Mr Corrections

            Uh huh.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Good work manchildren throw tantrums for attention, yeah that’s basically a good example of GG

      • Eggard Snark

        stop harrassing me.

        donate to my anti-harassment patreon.

      • Eggard Snark

        if you really cared about harassment you would stop harassing and give me money.

    • Erik Miles

      Absurdest-Man would like to know why you have yet to address these sassy coconuts. The people have a right to know…and they also have a left.

  • Eggard Snark

    I like how all of these zealous anti-harassment advocates can’t help but harass me even when I let my cat post for me.

    seek therapy.

    • Erik Miles

      Look at Absurdest-Man’s wonderful sequin dress! It’s absolutely ravishing!

    • nocomment

      you’ve posted like 100 times in this thread, maybe find a hobby

      • ReallyNotThough

        I find gaming fun and relaxing, feels like someone in GamerGate could try it sometime.

  • Eggard Snark

    did you losers finally figure it out?

    don’t worry, someone else will be along to troll you some more shortly.

    • Mr Corrections

      Gosh

      • Eggard Snark

        I’m done playing with you. stay goony, bead man.

        • Mr Corrections

          OK

    • Erik Miles

      You know what Absurdest-man has figured out?
      That oddly enough, Pineapples have very traditionalist communist values.

    • ReallyNotThough

      your life is depressing

      • Eggard Snark

        projection projection something.. how does that go?

        • ReallyNotThough

          man you’ve moved from weaksauce straight into homeopathysauce

          • Eggard Snark

            really? that was supposed to be funny?

          • ReallyNotThough

            yes tell me about humor manchild who thinks lightbulb jokes are funny

          • Eggard Snark

            sry i am have trouble reading because my eyes are full of tears from your funny joke.

          • Eggard Snark

            here are your two jokes:

            “goobergate”
            “ethics in game journalism”

            progressives aren’t creative enough to come with anything else.

          • ReallyNotThough

            here are yours:

            your inferiority-superiority complex towards women
            your life

          • Eggard Snark

            dont be mad scro

          • ReallyNotThough

            oh man again trying to copy my own statements, you truly are a master of wit

          • Eggard Snark

            “u mad”, it is very original. you are very original and your jokes are funny.

          • ReallyNotThough

            you also tried to copy “insult insult projection insult” but failed due to a lack of short term memory

          • Eggard Snark

            nah, I was just making fun of you. it went over your head because although you are super funny and original, you are not smart like I am and never will be.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “you are not smart like I am ”

            Def for real the world’s geniuses all got their start calling women fat whores on the Internet, it’s like the playing Chopin of our times

          • Eggard Snark

            I know, and that’s why you will always be a dumb loser.

          • ReallyNotThough

            what a comeback, maybe take this opportunity to reflect on all the decisions that led you to be this much of a sadsack

          • Eggard Snark

            no thanks, dummy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha right, just like Socrates said, “The unexamined mind is clearly the best thing ever, also let’s go bully women for no reason”

          • Eggard Snark

            look at you trying to show me how smart you are, your thirst is palpable.

          • ReallyNotThough

            your standards for intelligence are very low

          • Eggard Snark

            and yet you fail to meet even my low expectations. what a disappointing progressive, but that’s to be expected, progs are dumb dumbs.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “progs are dumb dumbs.”

            you are the eisenhower of our times

          • Eggard Snark

            I was hoping for more funny jokes not more boring lectures, entertain me, peasant.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “entertain me, peasant.”

            Can you even imagine how sad you would be if you knew this would be your life as a child

  • L.J.

    90% of threads seem to have been started by one person who posts utter garbage. Do you have any anti-spam or moderation at all, Boston Magazine, or are you as clueless about the online world as the police and judiciary?

    • Eggard Snark

      90% you just totally made up a number. totally a good faith argument.

      • ReallyNotThough

        maybe stop spamming

        • Eggard Snark

          you first.

  • Eggard Snark

    I know how percentages work. I am truly a superior man. bow before my knowledge of introductory statistics.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Spam.

      • Eggard Snark

        I thought we were friends bro? someone is getting crossed off the christmas card list.

        • ReallyNotThough

          i think i’m done, just thinking about the kind of life you must lead, to call women fat whores and then throw a tantrum when they don’t like you, makes me so depressed.

          • Eggard Snark

            yes, I am the evil spooky boogeyman that lives in your insecure self-loathing little brain. whatever makes you feel good about yourself.

  • RobertParker14

    So funny that Gamergate basically grew out of the same people who set out to destroy Anita Sarkeesian because they were to dumb to understand what she was saying, and ended up turning her into a global figure, highly influential in the games industry, working with Intel to increase diversity in the tech industry etc. Then when they saw that happen they turned on ZQ and basically made her way more relevant and high profile than she ever would have been if they’d have just ignored her. Everything Gamergate and the people associated with it have done has blown up in their faces.

    • Eggard Snark

      Gawker disagrees. BTW how is Leigh doing at Gamasutra? oh, wait…

    • Eggard Snark

      let her keep talking, the more lulz will be had when she brings it all down around her because she will because she is a crazy person.

    • Brandon Smith

      Except no. Pretty much every gaming outlet I listen to now (GiantBomb, Gamespot, etc) goes out of their way to divulge when they have personal ties to a developer now, which they didn’t before. Gamergate has WON the battles it set out to win. What Gamergate hasn’t won, is the straw man battle that people like Quinn tried to make people think it was fighting for her own personal benefit.

      • Eggard Snark

        get ready to be called a “harasser” for pointing this out, this place is Jonestown.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “Gamergate has WON the battles it set out to win.”

        Sure you won the game, maybe go away forever

        • Brandon Smith

          Here’s the thing, WHO keeps bringing up the issues of harassment and abuse? Is it Gamergate? No. Gamergate isn’t going on TV and having articles written. i can GUARANTEE YOU Erin Gnoji didn’t initiate this article we are commenting on right now. The people who keep stirring the muck are the anti-gamergate people. They come out with highly skewed, highly flavored articles like this one, and then they receive comments from frustrated people saying “you’re reporting on untruth and missing the point” and then the cycle starts all over again.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “WHO keeps bringing up the issues of harassment and abuse?”

            The people being harassed and abused, primarily.

            “No. Gamergate isn’t going on TV and having articles written.”

            No. They’re harassing the women who do.

            “Erin Gnoji didn’t initiate this article”

            I’m surprised he didn’t wise up to the fact he was being interviewed by a reporter, then.

            “you’re reporting on untruth and missing the point”

            Yet no-one can say as single thing in the article that isn’t true.

      • Daseinen

        That’s totally great. It’s nice that after all the hysterical rants about SJWs, and all the doxing and zombie attacks on any woman who ever said anything critical about video games, something slightly good might come of the shameful debacle that was GamerGate.

        By the way, though, there’s no way to REVIEW a game or movie or anything else, without using judgment. Most GGer’s claim they want “objective” reviews, by which they actually mean reviews that agree with them.

        • Brandon Smith

          This is a very long response that I will truncate, but the “hysterical rants about SWJs” were accurate. It boils down to a simple concept: Do you review a product as it is, or as you wish it was?This is something that every reviewer deals with, from the Apple Watch to The Avengers 2. It became a manifest agenda among a number of game reviewers that they were going to effect change on the gaming industry with their reviews. THAT’S what gamers had a problem with. It’s like if the tech press decided that they were going to collude to end Apple by giving any software that was published on OS X a low score, or end superhero films by giving any movie about superheroes a low score. That’s a problem to an audience who does not agree with your agenda. And it affects the games industry more than other industries because the games industry is very small and many journalists are friends with developers.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “THAT’S what gamers had a problem with.”

            Seems odd how GG expresses that problem through thousands of harassing and insulting messages aimed at people unrelated to journalism.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “THAT’S what gamers had a problem with.”

            Yet, here you are, libelling a woman you’ve never met, related in no way to games journalism, based on her sex life.

      • Daniel Latta

        And all it had to do was make three women terrified for their lives, generally behave like cracked out 5 year olds, and do so much damage to their own reputations that they’ve managed to take Anonymous with them into exile.

    • kgelner

      Really unclear how influential Anita is at this point. Publicized a lot? Yes. I don’t see many changes in the game industry that have happened since GamerGate though, apart from (as others have mentored) gaming press being cleaned up some. Which was after all the point of GamerGate, as much as those against GamerGate like to pretend it was not. Just repeating something doesn’t make it so.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “I don’t see many changes in the game industry that have happened since GamerGate though, ”

        GOTY last year was The Last of Us, the writer of which said he was highly influenced by Femfreq.

  • Brandon Smith

    This is a disgustingly written hit-piece and hero-worship article about Quinn. I labored through to the end just to say I read it, but you can tell exactly what the author is trying to do in the first line. If you were keeping up with Gamergate as it unfolded, you KNOW what the truth is, and how this article doesn’t address it at all. It’s like being a witness to two drunk people crashing their cars into each other and then reading an article in the newspaper the next day saying one slovenly drunk person aggressively crashed their car into the other hapless and defenseless bystander.

    • ReallyNotThough

      ” you KNOW what the truth is”

      it’s interesting how that truth seems to be contradicted by facts all the time

      • Brandon Smith

        Again, no. It’s not. What facts are you talking about? We can dispense with this right now. This whole “controversy” is built on several fundamental mistruths and misunderstandings that persist solely because the “anti-gamergate” side refuses to admit that they exist.
        1) Do female gamers and anti-gamergate people get death threats? Yes. They do. Why? BECAUSE EVERYONE GETS DEATH THREATS. There was a dustup just a few weeks ago about a guy who drew a Batgirl cover that feminists considered anti-women. You know what he got? Death threats. That pizza place that said they wouldn’t cater a gay wedding? You know what they got? Death threats. Hollywood interracial couples? Death threats. Actors who play badguy characters in movies? Death threats. The problem is that Quinn and Sarkeesian are intentionally mischaracterizing their recipe of common internet currency to be directed at them BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN. No, nobody should get death threats. yes, it’s disgusting. But you know what? It’s NOT sexism.

        2)Zoe Quinn wasn’t being accused of what she says she was being accused of. While it is oft repeated by people who didn’t know what they were talking about, nobody accused her of having sex with a journalist for a better review score. That’s an oversimplification of the real issue. YES the real issue IS a problem. The real issue was that the Indie game community is incestuous. They will describe it as “small” and “close knit” which, by Quinn’s own blogs is why she joined it in the first place. This becomes a huge problem in scenarios like Indie game showcases where developers will intentionally give awards to games that don’t deserve it just because their friends made it. The developers of Super Meat Boy were saying one time that they were told that their game should have won an award in one contest, but that it was passed over because “they didn’t need it”. THAT is the problem and always WAS. Quinn sleeping with other developers, her boss, and judges was just one case-scenario of what the overall issue was.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “What facts are you talking about? ”

          The facts in the article above.

          “BECAUSE EVERYONE GETS DEATH THREATS.”

          I don’t, never have.

          Maybe GG should stop sending their share of them. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to stop lying about Zoe Quinn either.

          “Zoe Quinn wasn’t being accused of what she says she was being accused of”

          Pretty sure she’d been accused of having sex for coverage hundreds of times in this very thread.

          • Brandon Smith

            Again, she is accused by people who don’t know what they are talking about similarly to people who defend Quinn don’t know what they are talking about. If you don’t get death threats, that’s because you haven’t revealed yourself publicly on the internet. It is almost impossible to reveal yourself publicly on the internet and NOT suffer abuse. that’s he whole reason “bullying” and “cyber bullying” is a topic of national conversation. This isn’t a topic on which there isn’t truckloads of evidence. To ignore it is to be willfully obtuse.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Again, she is accused by people who don’t know what they are talking about ”

            And that appears to be the vast majority of GG, who are accepted and never challenged by anyone else in GG.

            “It is almost impossible to reveal yourself publicly on the internet and NOT suffer abuse.”

            Then we need to say fuck the abusers and never allow any kind of shit like this from GG again, right?

          • Brandon Smith

            Once again, if you have been reading anything I have been writing, you know that EVERYONE SENDS DEATH THREATS. Anti-GG has been proven to send death threats. Death threats have been PROVEN to be received by pretty much every public figure. THE PRESIDENT gets death threats.

            YES. We can be allied in saying that abusers need to be done away with. Abuse is never okay. But to say “any kind of shit like this from GG again,” you are retreating back to debunked notion that ONLY gamergate is sending death threats because they are unique in their treatment of women and their behavior on the internet. GG sends death threats because GG is made up of people, and people on the internet act reprehensibly. Anti GG sends death threats. Websiites like 4-Chan are made up of almost EXCLUSIVELY death threats.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “EVERYONE SENDS DEATH THREATS.”

            I don’t. Maybe GG shouldn’t, either. And they shouldn’t keep lying about women and stalking them to whip up new death threats.

            “Abuse is never okay.”

            Then GG will completely cut Cernovich, Eron, Milo, and Baldwin out, tight?

          • Brandon Smith

            You are being obtuse and disingenuous. Gamergate is a hashtag, not a social club. Curating who is “in” it is completely impossible and unless you are an idiot, you know that. You seem to be anti-gamergate. So you’re going to get up and speak about the anti-gamergate death threats at your next meeting, right? And hold anyone who has sent death threats to gamergate individuals responsible by docking their pay and refusing to validate their parking?

          • ReallyNotThough

            So, if you’re completely unwilling to try to remove the harassers, and they harass people, and the media notices that GG is harassing people constantly, then the media is reporting facts accurately.

          • Brandon Smith

            I’m done. You have no argument, which you have proven by ignoring every point that i’ve made and continuing on with assumptions that I have already addressed. “try to remove the harassers” from a hashtag? is this your first day on the internet? You can’t curate an ideology. It’s functionally impossible. But, even though it IS impossible, Gamergate DID try, which is a FACT and EASILY researched by 2 seconds on Google. There was a codified manifesto that specifically deprecated abuse by ANYONE claiming to be affiliated with Gamergate. If you want more than that, then you are either mentally retarded or honestly do not understand how the internet works and how it’s impossible to shoot ideas with a gun.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So in summary: you know there are harassers in GG who feel supported by the community, they are harassing people, and you don’t want the media to report on them. Because reasons.

            Well, tough.

          • Brandon Smith

            You just summarized everything I wrote with a snarky paragraph that references absolutely nothing I wrote. I can only assume you aren’t even reading it.

            I know there are harassers in gamergate because gamergate exists on the internet and the internet is full of harassers. I don’t want the media to single them out because it is disingenuous.

            Look, this isn’t TOO abstract a concept. “Americans commit crimes. Some Americans are black. Therefore, some Black people commit crimes.” This is a completely different ideological statement than “Black people commit crimes.”

            People on the internet harass and send death threats. This is proven in MANY different internet communities and sub-cultures made up of both men and women. Gamergate exists on the internet. Therefore some people in gamergate send death threats. This is an entirely different ideological statement than “Gamergate sends death threats.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I know there are harassers in gamergate ”

            Okay. Do something about it or stop whining.

            Do black people choose to be part of a hashtag where thousands of harasssers jump to threaten and insult whatever woman is being liead about on Reddit?

            Do 95% of black people follow and support Milo, Cernovich, and/or Baldwin?

            Didn’t think so.

          • Kayla Rae Brotherton

            Wait, I actually do have one question, and then I’ll leave.

            What is the goal of GamerGate? When you say “I support GamerGate,” what is it that you are saying you support?

          • Bobby

            Dude, it’s like banging your head against a wall with these people. Some of them actually think every hateful tweet ever sent to Anita is from GG. It feels like I walked into an asylum. Facts and logic have no place in their world.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Some of them actually think every hateful tweet ever sent to Anita is from GG.”

            I too enjoy imagining things for other people to believe

          • Brandon Smith

            As you have demonstrated for the past hour or so we have been discussing this.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Where have I misrepresented you? Here are my points:
            1. You know harassment is rampant in Gamergate.
            2. You have no interest in fixing this.
            3. The media notices that harassment is rampant in Gamergate.
            4. You don’t want the media to do this.

          • Brandon Smith

            Your points are in direct contrast to everything I have said proving that either you aren’t reading what I’m actually saying or, what is more accurate, you are ignoring what I am saying to soldier on with what the fiction you believe is reality.

            1) I know that some people in gamergate harass, the same as people in anti-gamergate harass.
            2) Tell me how to fix it and I will. (You can’t, because that’s insane and betrays a gross misunderstanding of how the internet works.)
            3)The media is reporting one side of of the conflict with NO commentary for the other side.
            4) No. I don’t want the media to do this because in the world or rational people, there are two sides to a conflict and they should both be able to speak their minds.

            As you have seen by our discussion, I support gamergate. I have absolutely no problem with women. I have never harassed anyone. There are thousands of people in gamergate, the overwhelming majority, who are just like me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “the same as people in anti-gamergate harass.”

            1) Really? Name one person in anti-gamergate, followed by the majority of the community, who calls for hate mobs to attack people.

            2) Tell me how to fix it and I will.

            See Erik on this thread lying about Quinn? Tell him to stop doing that as it is contributing to the culture where so many think she deserves death threats.

            3)There has been lots of commentary. Lots of interviews with Milo, Gjoni, and GGers. You just kind of come off badly, tbh.

            4) Gjoni is speaking his mind. You just don’t like what he has to say.

            “There are thousands of people in gamergate, the overwhelming majority,”

            If there are thousands of people in GG, and thousands of GG harass, then the overwhelming majority is not likely people who don’t harass.

          • ReallyNotThough

            While you’re whining about harassment, Erik on this very thread is lying about Zoe Quinn to justify what happened to her.

            Maybe calling out the actual lies and harassment should be a higher priority for you than whining that people notice it?

          • hams

            Damn dude you like saying death threats. Are you new to the internet? Because I’m not. I remember when a 56k modem was some seriously new shit. There was even a couple years where I lurked 4chan (before it turned to shit of course). You know what? Not that many death threats. It’s never before been considered a normal thing to do, and it’s illegal

            Does Brad Pitt get threats? Probably, but he’s an international super star. I’m willing to bet ZQ gets as many or more. Extremely famous people get threats, Zoe Quinn got famous BECAUSE of threats. You’re refusing to take scale into any kind of account. You seem to literally think that every single game developer on the planet gets as many death threats as ZQ. That somehow because ‘it’s the internet!’ all people get the exact same amount and they’re all bad but ‘oh well that’s the internet!’

            I’ve seen it with my own 2 eyes for the last decade. Gamers are rarely so focused and hateful than when it’s a woman in the crosshairs. Stop acting like misogyny gets a pass because ‘INTERNET’

        • Rick Diehl

          Again, you seem to be having a different conversation then the rest of us. You’re talking about Gamergate. Most of us are talking about an individual who posted his ex-girlfriends personal information online attacked her and then cheered on other people for attacking her. I really don’t care if Quinn is the most awful ex-girlfriend on the planet, you just don’t do things like that. Take a breath, recognize that just because it happens to as you write..”everybody” doesn’t mean it isn’t wrong.

          • Brandon Smith

            Being there for the the events as they happened, I’m again telling you, you summation of what happened is not accurate. Did Gnoji reveal a bunch of information about Quinn that he shouldn’t have on the internet? Yes. But that information was in service of a larger point that he was making. Again, I’m making no comparison of importance, but if a politician was sleeping with a spy and telling her state secrets, the pursuant investigation would include a lot of lurid sexual details that are personal in nature. But that information is in service to another subject entirely that is ACTUALLY of interest to the public. Are there going to be disgusting individuals who focus in on the lurid tabloid talk? Yes. But the actual issue that is of debate and discussion is something else entirely.

            This is where we are at with Gamergate.

          • Kayla Rae Brotherton

            Please stop typing “Gnoji.” His name is Eron Gjoni. G j o n i. That’s all.

          • hams

            I thought it was Eragon Gonad? Egon Gobi? Enron Guppy? I forget.

          • hams

            ” Did Gnoji reveal a bunch of information about Quinn that he shouldn’t have on the internet? Yes. But that information was in service of a larger point that he was making. Again, I’m making no comparison of importance, but if a politician was sleeping with a spy and telling her state secrets,”

            IT’S NOT TREASON. What an irresponsible analogy.

            “But that information was in service of a larger point that he was making.”

            Again: That. Is. Not. An. Excuse.

            Do you know why nobody else is where gamergate thinks it is? Because nobody else gives a shit about gaming journalism. Nobody gives a shit about which Indie devs are friends with who. It’s time for GG to put on it’s big boy’s/girl’s pants and realize that nepotism is a reality in every facet of business and government. It’s not new! You guys didn’t crack the fuckin omega code!

            The only reason ANYONE cares about GG is because of the campaign of violent and misogynist language. Unless you seriously believe the world at large cares even 1% about who Phil Fish is friends with.

    • Rick Diehl

      Brandon, Gjoni posted a whiny diatribe attacking Quinn and encouraging all of you upstanding citizens to attack her as well, that’s pretty much it. Most of the people here aren’t gamers, most of them can care less about your game squabbles. What they care about is you people acting like a bunch of little stalkers, busily making rape and death threats to a women because she hurt your tiny feelings. Seriously, us grown-ups out here in the real world just see you folks as the nasty little bits of filth that you are. Now go cry about it on facebook or something.

      • Brandon Smith

        Saying that you don’t care about gaming means that you lack the capacity to understand the reality of what is actually a complex issue. If you are buying into the idea that this is an issue of gamers attacking women, you are quite simply a rube who is buying into the Fox News version of what this is REALLY about.

        I posted it below, so I won’t go into it in depth again, but do these women get death threats? yes. BECAUSE EVERYONE ON THE INTERNET GETS DEATH THREATS. Actors, game developers, comic book artists, musicians… they ALL talk about getting death threats ROUTINELY. The problem is, Quinn and Sarkeesian are characterizing their routine receipt of death threats as being BECAUSE they are women. I have never sent a death threat in my life, but I am socially aware enough to know even local NEWSCASTERS get them on a regular basis. It is the language of anonymity. It’s what people DO. Interestingly, in one of my media studies textbooks, there was a chapter on just such a thing. A science experiment was done where a random straight white male researcher made an Xbox Live account. He created a gamer tag with a name that included “Black” in the name. What did he receive? Racist abuse. He created a tag with “girl” in text title. What did he receive? Sexist abuse. He created a tag with “gay” in the title. What did he receive? Homophobic abuse. Jew. Muslim. Kid. Whatever. Always abuse directed at whatever he described himself as. The commonality in every situation? ABUSE. Why? Because it’s the internet. Is it nice? No. Do I wish it was different? Absolutely. But make no mistake, Quinn is USING what is a normal event in the modern age as a springboard for her own personal agenda.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “If you are buying into the idea that this is an issue of gamers attacking women, ”

          No it’s GG attacking women.

          Come on, we all know Baldwin, Milo, and Cernovich think video games are pathetic, but enjoy the opportunity to bully women who don’t.

          If having people calling your grandma and threatening to rape her is “normal” in the modern age, it’s about time we changed the modern age.

          • Brandon Smith

            You can keep saying “it’s GG attacking women”,and if you keep saying it, we have nothing to talk about. But as “not your shield” proved, there are a SIGNIFICANT number of women IN Gamergate. When you have GG proving that it is ALSO suffering abuse and death threats, when you have GG proving that it is MADE UP of women gamers, when you have GG proving that it doesn’t hate women with thousands and thousands of dollars raised to BENEFIT women’s charities, what will it take to make you change your mind? It seems as though nothing. You refuse to believe reality because you refuse to believe reality.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “there are a SIGNIFICANT number of women IN Gamergate.”

            Like CameraLady and Chobitcoin?

            Turns out women love to harass, lie about, dox, and threaten women too. Who knew?

            “when you have GG proving that it is MADE UP of women gamers,”

            GG’s own crappy survey says 10% at most.

            “BENEFIT women’s charities,|”

            TFYC is not a women’s charity. It’s very clearly a crowdfunding scheme for a 75% male developer.

            “You refuse to believe reality”

            No, I refuse to believe the made-up talking points of GG, especially since they contradict all established fact. Big difference.

          • Scott Johnson

            But you want to justify that “It’s okay for anyone to be abused on the
            Internet, because it’s the natural order. Everyone gets threats and
            attacked. Don’t question it.”

            Why is that okay? Because if
            everyone suffers that somehow puts us on equal ground? What if we not
            attack each other? It’s a dangerous mentality to go “You are not better
            than I am because I suffered and I think YOU should suffer because that
            makes YOU BETTER!”

            If we allow this mentality to continue and breed…we all suffer. Evil flourishes when good people do nothing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “What if we not attack each other?”

            I feel this strongly sums up the main criticism of GamerGate.

          • Brandon Smith

            As a black man, I absolutely wish I could get online without getting abused. If I make a Youtube video where i show my face, do you known what the comment string is? nothing but abuse about my being black. I HATE abuse.

            But what is of specific note in the Gamergate conversation is NOT whether abuse is bad or not, it’s whether abuse is SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AT WOMEN. Which it is not. When someone like Quinn gets up and says “I spoke out and I got 10 comments saying they were going to kill me. It’s because I’m a woman.” that is disingenuous. ANYONE who gets up and speaks out with something that an anonymous internet person dislikes is going to receive similar vitriol. Just go to a random political thread and you will see the exact same vitriol. It’s NOT exceptional.

            The internet doesn’t hate women, the internet hates everyone and everything. Those are two very different things.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I absolutely wish I could get online without getting abused.”

            Then probably not supporting Stormfront’s favorite harassment campaign would be a strong first step.

            “is NOT whether abuse is bad or not,”

            No, I’m pretty sure that’s the main point. Abuse is bad. GamerGate should stop it.

          • Brandon Smith

            “absue is bad, gamergate should stop it”

            Gamergate is a hashtag. What part about this do you not understand. “Gamergate should stop it” makes about as much sense as “Crossfit should invest in Nike”.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then why whine when people notice all the harassment?

          • Brandon Smith

            Because people like you aren’t acknowledging the harassment, you are picking a side and refusing to acknowledge the reality that the abuse is coming from all sides. Again, it is FACTUALLY proven that harassment and death threats were directed AT gamergate as well as gamergate sending a harassment and death threats to anti-gamergate people. THE ONLY LOGICAL observation is that “hey, the internet is a horrible place were everyone is abused”, which is a reality that we see in Youtube Comments, news stories about high school bullying, and in this very thread. (Zoe Quinn was on a gaming panel with Patrick Klepek doing a speech about just that. That they BOTH got death threats, routinely.) Instead, people with an AGENDA characterize it as a SPECIFIC GROUP of hate-filled lunatics are attacking a SPECIFIC GROUP, women. That’s just not true.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “that the abuse is coming from all sides.”

            The abuse is very highly concentrated on whichever women GG are lying about at any given time, spin that however you want.

          • Rick Diehl

            Your logic is faulty. Just because harassment and threatening behavior is rampant across the net doesn’t mean that the individuals actually being harassed shouldn’t be upset about it or call it out as the issue that it is. Just because people on the net attack you for being black a woman, gay whatever, does that mean you should just accept it?

          • Brandon Smith

            Of course not. But I’m sure you would agree with the fact that if I get negative response to the things I’m saying to me right now, an I countered back with “you’re saying this because I’m black!” I would be out of line and mischaracterizing the situation entirely, would I not? I have taken general criticism of me, however harsh, and assigned a motive to it that is completely outside the context of the situation. Abuse is always wrong. Nobody should take it. Quinn shouldn’t take it or stand for it. But when she says “this is because I’m a woman”, she’s just flat out lying.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You already implied that you got harassed on the internet for being black. Others are harassed for being women.

            “But when she says “this is because I’m a woman”,”

            Well, it sure as hell isn’t because of ethics in game journalism.

          • Rick Diehl

            I’m sorry, but I just can’t agree. Granted there is more to it than that she is “just a woman”, I get that there is a whole political angle to all of this. Even your own posting admits that women get threatened and harnessed on the net all the time because they are women. You don’t like Quinn, heck from everything I’ve read, I don’t like Quinn either. She hits me as self-important and irritating. That doesn’t excuse her ex-boyfriend putting her personal information on the web, it doesn’t excuse her detractors from sending her threats.

          • Brandon Smith

            I guess I don’t understand your position. We both agree that she should not get death threats. But Gnoji ALSO got death threats. So if he gets death threats, and she gets death threats, why are HER death threats “because she is a woman”. Are his “because he is a man”? Or are they because of his actions?

          • ReallyNotThough

            why are HER death threats “because she is a woman”

            Because unlike Gjoni she’s not whipping up a hate mob to attack her ex but just kind of walking around being a woman?

            Also, if you think the threats to both people are comparable, LOL.

          • Brandon Smith

            “Also, if you think the threats to both people are comparable, LOL.”

            You’re betraying your underlying issue, now. Now who you really are is coming to light.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You’re betraying your underlying issue, now. ”

            The way that abuse has been targeted at the women whom GG lies about?

            Erik’s still lying about Quinn, by the way.

            You want to work against harassment? Go ahead.

          • hams

            The underlying issue is that there is a pretty clear timeline of abuse. ZQ was receiving violent threats (from gamers) before GG was even a hashtag. Enron Gonad knew about this. He dropped that turd of an accusation, and the abuse against ZQ was nearly immediate. I have no doubt that some people, in their anger, got carried away talking about GG. I’m not talking about them because they were last to the abuse party. They are simply reacting to the wave upon wave of abuse and misogyny pouring out of your movement. They shouldn’t be abusive either, but you’re pretending like they both started at the same time for the same reasons, the same amounts.

            Ok unless you’ve got a time machine, you can’t alter the facts of the timeline, so moving on.

            You’re aware of when someone is harassing your because of the color of your skin, right? Because either it starts when they find out, or you can tell because of the language they are using. You know exactly the kind of words racists use when they are angry at a black person.

            Misogynists are EQUALLY transparent. They love using gendered slurs like ‘bitch’ and a ton of others I don’t care to repeat. Do you think male internet personalities get that volume of rape threats? Do all of the racists threaten to rape you when they find out you’re black? All of the language is dripping with misogyny. It’s targeted towards women. I’m very disappointed in you that you think you know when a racist is doing their thing, but ZQ doesn’t know when a misogynist is doing their thing. (Or wu, or anita, or aisha tyler, etc etc)

          • hams

            You guys really like to bounce between ‘gamer gate as a group doesn’t do this’ and ‘gamer gate isn’t a group’
            Whichever is more convenient at that moment I guess

          • Scott Johnson

            I have seen abuse happen to all types of people. But people will specifically target you based on differences. GG judged Zoe/Anita/Brianna for reasons specific too women and all the stereotypes based around woman. As a Black man, have you been targeted and insulted specifically for your race? This same thing applies.

            GG itself is hypocritical in terms of abuse and speaking out against consistencies within it’s own group because there’s no internal goal or ideal to hold onto. It moves from case to case. And many people within that community have attacked each other. Complain all you want it happens with Anti-GGs too, but it’s terrible awful attitude to do so in the first place.

            Don’t perpetuate violence and abuse just because it happens to everyone else. Stop it. Make a stand. Because the attitude that creates conflicts with Eron and Zoe is one continuous vicious circle within society.

        • Rick Diehl

          I’m not into gaming because it’s not what I am interested in. Simple as that. However I don’t really care about gamergate, what I care about is a dejected boyfriend harassing his ex-girlfriend while getting support from thousands of online helpers. You’re issues over gaming, and who gets credit or blame for whatever is irrelevant. Harassment is wrong. You get that right?

          • Brandon Smith

            I absolutely do get that harassment is wrong, and I share your opinion on that. However, your characterization of events as “a dejected boyfriend harassing his ex-girlfriend while getting support from thousands of online helpers.” is not accurate to the reality of the situation. While i am obviously making no claim to comparable importance that is like arguing that the Civil War was about “States Rights”. That is one grossly oversimplified summation of a much bigger and much more complex reality. Whoever is feeding you that line isn’t telling you the truth.

          • Rick Diehl

            Am I wrong. Did Gjoni or did he not, post his ex-girlfriends personal information as well as much of their private correspondence online? It really is as simple as that. Did he or didn’t he? Is the article lying about this?

          • Brandon Smith

            The article is not lying about that. There was a blog that chronicled a considerable amount of personal correspondence between the two of them. That is accurate. But, and this only matters if you choose to think that it matters, he did it as a response to Quinn’s behavior. This bit is tabloid fodder, and I have no knowledge as to the reality of it, but his reason for posting that content wasn’t out of the blue. Gnoji and Quinn are both indie developers, and they both run in the same circles. It’s tight knit community and who you know matters because as well as as social group, it’s a business community. Quinn, as I have witnessed first hand, lies. Gnoji and Quinn broke up badly and Quinn started lying about him to others to try to freeze him out of the community. Gnoji had what essentially amounts to a paper trail of all of her lies and so he published it to the internet to make public the reality of the situation. Is it scummy? Yes. In a way. But if you were being lied about and you had evidence to the contrary, would you not do something similar?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “e did it as a response to Quinn’s behavior. ”

            there’s the abuser logic.

            Eron also recently said that he was just trying to help Quinn, and said that Quinn caused all the hurt to GG’s targets.

            Def not an abuser who recruits people to push his lies everywhere in the name of ethcis

          • Brandon Smith

            Actually, I encourage you to go read the blogs if you haven’t. QUINN is the abuser. That was the whole point of his posting the original information to begin with. The reality of the situation is that if Gnoji was a woman and Quinn was a man, this whole story would be entirely different. But because society has been conditioned to believe that a woman cannot be an abuser, people assume out of hand that Gnoji is an abuser and that Quinn is a victim. But it’s all there in black and white. I hate saying this because it sounds like I am attacking Quinn because I dislike her, but the lady REALLY IS a liar. I had absolutely no reason to dislike Quinn before all this gamergate stuff started. I hadn’t played Depression Quest, but it sounded interesting enough. I saw her on a few Giant Bomb panels and she seemed fine. Her behavior is what made me realize that she is a pretty scummy person, and her string of lies exists on the internet and is easily researched. I don’t like Quinn. But it’s not because she’s a woman. It’s because of her behavior.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “QUINN is the abuser.”

            According to a guy who thinks it was his job to whip up a hate movement to push her into therapy?

            No.

            “people assume out of hand that Gnoji is an abuser”

            No, people assume that on account of Gjoni trying to encourage people to stalk her and her friends and family. Also, on account of trying to violate his restraining order.

          • Erik Ahrend

            So do you think it is okay for Quinn to be emotionally manipulative and abusive to Gnoji prior to all of this?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I think that the only evidence I have of that is from a gaslighting abuser who says that he’d wreck her life again in a heartbeat.

          • Brandon Smith

            Gong spent a significant amount of time in the early days of gamergate DEFENDING Quinn and saying that this wasn’t what he wanted. His opinions of her have apparently soured over the year this has been going on and her subsequent behavior.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure, when he wasn’t on IRC congratulating the people sending her rape threats and saying it’s all for her own good.

            You asked what you could do to stop harassment in GG? Stop defending creepy harassers. This is not hard.

          • Erik Ahrend

            Despite personal conversations that Gnoji had with her where Zoe clearly outlined what she thought was abusive in previous relationships and then proceeded to do the exact same things?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Edited and presented by a man who fully supported channers who wanted to drive her to suicide?

          • Erik Ahrend

            So are you entirely dismissing Gnoj’s experience based on the fact of what Zoe has said or what Gnoj has said in the moments of ending a toxic relationship? That sounds like victim blaming to me.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” what Zoe has said”

            No, stop inventing opinions for me.

            “what Gnoj has said”

            When what he said includes saying that he hopes GG drives Zoe into therapy, that burgersandfries was great, and that he wouldn’t do a thing differently, and 8 months later says it’s Quinn’s fault he made a movement that hurt a bunch of women, yeah, feel comfortable saying he’s a lying and abusive little shit. Don’t you?

          • Erik Ahrend

            Still sounds like victim blaming. Lots of rape victims feel anger and maliciousness towards their attacker.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Gjoni wasn’t a rape victim. He was a dudebro who got hurt feelz because she got laid on a break and he didn’t.

            And yeah, if any victim was still “waging an internet war” that led to thousands of rape threats against a person’s whole family, without regret, I wouldn’t believe their word against their victim either.

          • Erik Ahrend

            According to Zoe Quinn’s definition of rape, he was raped. Stop trying to redefine rape.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, her definition did not include protected sex had on a break.

            I get that in Gjoni’s abuser logic, and in GG’s attempt to spin everything regardless of what you believe, this is the case, but in reality, it isn’t.

            In real movements you don’t have to spin BS talking points that you don’t believe.

          • Erik Ahrend

            Look, I appreciate the time you took to talk to me about this. It definitely has created some interesting points that I will have to look into. I still find Gjoni a terrible excuse for a human being. After doing more research I will more than likely disassociate from the gamer gate movement while still pushing for ethics reform in journalism in general.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “After doing more research I will more than likely disassociate from the gamer gate movement while still pushing for ethics reform in journalism in general.”

            Fantastic! I wish you all the best, I really do.

          • hams

            Hey, you’re an alright person. It’s nice to see someone from GG that can talk and listen at the same time.

          • Brandon Smith

            You just accused Gnoji of being an abuser, and then when I say that Quinn is the absuser based on a large trove of personal messages demonstrating that to be the case, you say that, no, that can’t be the case because you cannot believe Gnoji.

            Um…

            Again, if Gnoji was a woman, would you be saying this?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You just accused Gnoji of being an abuser, ”

            Yes. On account of all the obvious and public abuse.

            “a large trove of personal messages demonstrating that to be the case”

            Provided and edited entirely by someone who is evidently an abuser. Not very reliable.

            “you cannot believe Gnoji.”

            Why would I believe someone who thinks that rape threats “help” his ex?

          • Rick Diehl

            Certainly I would be saying it if he was a women. Posting personal information on the web while encouraging others to harass a person is wrong no matter who is doing it.

          • hams

            He’s not an indie developer, he has not ever made any game and has said he has no intentions of doing so.

          • ReallyNotThough

            The amount of reality distortion in these responses sure is mind blowing.

            It’s like they’re playing jazz and just seeing what combination of completely invented BS will stick.

          • hams

            Oh what games has he made? How long should I wait? In an IRC chat he stated that he had no interest in making games.

            Pretending it’s wrong doesn’t make it wrong, there’s your fuckin reality distortion. (I’m not surprised at how easy it is to blow your mind though)

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m agreeing with you!

          • hams

            hahaha! Friendly fire! I’m all jacked up on caffeine and did not read carefully enough, sorry!

          • ReallyNotThough

            I happens, nbd!

          • Erik Ahrend

            You also realize that Zoe had several thousand people help DDoS and hack rival charities such as TFYC’s gaming venture which was taking away potential revenue from her. Also it isn’t against women in gaming. There are plenty of men that gamergate doesn’t like. I don’t know why they’re trying to frame the narrative about women when it’s about disingenuous people both male and female.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You also realize that Zoe had several thousand people help DDoS and hack rival charities such as TFYC’s”

            yeah didn’t happen, TFYC even admitted that one.

            Why do you feel the need to lie about someone to defend the abuse of her?

          • Erik Ahrend

            I’m not defending the abuse of her. I think it was awful that people like her and Anita Sarkessien got threats. I may not like them but it doesn’t give me reason to threaten them.

            Do you have a link to TFYC saying that they didn’t get doxxed/hacked by zoe quinn’s followers? I’d love to read it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then stop doing so.

            Do you have a link to TFYC saying that they didn’t get doxxed/hacked by zoe quinn’s followers?

            Here you go: http://imgur.com/a/KEtcp

          • Erik Ahrend

            I appreciate that link and withdraw my previous comments. I did not know that things were patched up between Zoe and TFYC and it was a renegade person who doxxed and harassed TFYC.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, I don’t know about patched up, I mean, TFYC is still a scam and is garbage, not sure if anything is going to change most people’s opinion to that effect.

          • hams

            Holy cow, you win the grand prize of the most reasonable GG in all these thousands and thousands of comments. I am not being sarcastic, I am actually surprised.

          • Rick Diehl

            Again, did Gjoni post personal information about Quinn online that he stole from her computer? That is really what it comes down to for me. It doesn’t matter if Quinn is the most awful person alive, what Gjoni did was terrible.

          • Erik Ahrend

            What Gjoni did was deplorable. Most people in gamergate will admit that. Even as it stands, considering by her own volition that she is a rapist and a potential murderer, I still wouldn’t condone hacking her.

          • GP

            No they won’t.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Most people in gamergate will admit that.”

            This thread suggests otherwise.

          • Brandon Smith

            To my knowledge, Gnoji didn’t steal anything from her computer. The original blogs that I read were all back and forths that came form text messages and emails.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If you find yourself arguing about the level to which a creepy ex stalked and doxxed his ex, you may want to rethink your life.

          • Brandon Smith

            stalking is now qualified by clicking “print screen” and publishing it to a website?

            O_o

            Your bias is highly coloring your perception of reality.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, it’s qualified by calling hotels to find out where she stays and then sharing that info with people who want to hurt her.

      • kgelner

        Do you realize that all of the women SUPPORTING GamerGate (and there are many, google the Slate video for just a few) are receiving just as many death and rape threats? So why is this behavior pinned on Gamergate people alone? In the real world we seek to understand both sides of the story, but you don’t seem to want to do that at all – just believe a fabricated one-sided tale.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “just as many”

          nope

          • Bobby

            Right, I’m sure you’re keeping an accurate scorecard. Can you at least admit there are aGG trolls too?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right now, femfreq’s “One week of harassment” post is longer than your entire wiki on anti0GG harassment

          • Bobby

            You are aware that none of those accounts are part of GG right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure those GG avis are ironic, and the massive influx of harassment over the last 8 months is just the world’s biggest coinicidink

          • Bobby

            It’s possible to troll Anita and not contribute to GG just as it’s possible to troll GG and not contribute to aGG.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure it’s not as if the movement constantly stalking and lying about a woman is related to the massive uptick in death threats from members of that movement since that movement started you are a very good logic man

          • Bobby

            0 = the number of tweets in that post that even cited #GamerGate. Nobody in our movement is stalking her. WTF??

            Every hater on the planet isn’t part of GG. That’s lunatic talk.

            Show me even one post that came from a known GG’er. Just one.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “0 = the number of tweets in that post that even cited #GamerGate”

            yeah those people just thought the GG symbol had cool colors

            “Show me even one post that came from a known GG’er.”

            Twitter search @femfreq AND #gamergate AND [c-word] and tell me what you find

          • Bobby

            Twitter search #StopWebH8 and tell me what you find. The same BS but against GG. It goes both ways. One of us can admit that. The other, sadly, cannot.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I searched #StopWebH8 AND [c-word] and found exactly one post. By a GGer.

          • Bobby

            Your computer must be broken then. There are hundreds of results for that search and most are anti-GG.

            EDIT: I meant against GG since there’s really no way to tell if an account is GG or aGG.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Link? Because, no.

          • Bobby
          • ReallyNotThough

            oookaaay? the top 50 are all one GGer spamming, without anyone harassing or threatening him

          • Bobby

            Ok yeah you’re not in the right hashtag at all then

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m looking at the most recent posts.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, GG hijacking a Congressional hashtag to libel Quinn is not a strong argument for your movement, just fyi

          • ReallyNotThough

            I see your edit but they still don’t exist

          • Bobby

            Can’t tell if you’re trolling or just unable to use Twitter search…

          • ReallyNotThough

            Try searching the hashtag AND [c-word] and link me what you come up with.

          • NoGoodNamesLeft

            I did your search and found 5 tweets in the last month regarding ZQ and AS (BW totalled zero). One was calling David Dramain a c__t, two mention that AS won’t talk about legitimate criticism but loves to talk about being called a c__t. The only two posts that actually called AS and ZQ a c__t was a troll who has been reported and suspended (reporting was done by GG).

          • ReallyNotThough

            (reporting was done by GG)

            sure it was

            where even are those goalposts anymore

          • hams

            Man the GG crowd is surprisingly tech illiterate. You have to put + between terms to create and ‘and’ function. Here I did it for you. You’ll have to change the * to a u because moderation.

            https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%40femfreq%20%2B%20%23gamergate%20%2B%20c*nt&src=typd

            Lookie lookie, proud gamergaters strutting their stuff.

        • Bobby

          but… but.. the women of GG don’t count!!! Only Anita and other SJWs do!!

          • ReallyNotThough

            maybe if any of them had real names or verifiable stories the media might talk about it

        • Rick Diehl

          If so that is just as deplorable as Gjoni’s actions. However it doesn’t excuse his actions or the threats made against Quinn. Threats are bad, no matter who is making them.

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            thats right if ur a GamerGater and woman youre a tresonious bitch and your life dosnt matter

          • ReallyNotThough

            The name of this user shows the quality and character of GG

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            mabye I am Gay and I use the word beacuse I own it? are you offended by my clear disregard of your sensabilities?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m offended by your spelling, more than anything. Jesus Christ.

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            sure nitpick my speeling and not my arguments, speaks volumes about you

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes, it says that I am literate.

          • Rick Diehl

            Go away, grown ups talking

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            Well I must do as he say, of corse im not a white male and he knows my place, and so must I , I apologize you infecting your safe space with my alternate opinions and ideas

          • Rick Diehl

            I just don’t like that you can’t spell or use punctuation properly. If you want to be a troll son, put the effort into it next time.

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            wow nitpicking my grammer? its not an essay, i dont care about puncuation, if you have any point to make, make it

          • Rick Diehl

            Oh sorry. My point is that you’re a dink.

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            great job taking down my argument there smart guy, have a great one

          • Rick Diehl

            Thanks, I certainly have enjoyed myself here.

        • hams

          Yeah no way it’s the same shadowy misogynists harassing both groups of women. NO WAY, IMPOSSIBLE. IT HAS TO BE THE FEMINISTS.

          If you don’t know why it’s pinned on them then please just tell me you don’t have a job as an aircraft controller or anything important. I assume you program tomagochis for a living, but who knows/cares.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I mean, /baph doxxed the main NYS woman, while it was run by a GGer and funded by GG…

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            u mean the woman who runs NYS? and Belive me Baph and GamerGate dont align

          • ReallyNotThough

            probably would be a good idea if GGers stopped hosting, moderating, and paying for /baph then, just a though

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            who the hell is paying for Baph?

          • ReallyNotThough

            …8chan’s patreon was linked in /gg and reddit, not sure how you missed it

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            no, ill belive you if you can show me a link, i just dont take any rando on the internet as gospel.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha looks like it’s down now, Patreon decided they didn’t support child porn after all.

            Still, maybe /gg isn’t worth supporting 8chan?

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            so what? a site where most people post as anons and some asshole decides to put up cp, which is against the site rules, lets not forget the pedo who downloaded and altered those images?

          • ReallyNotThough

            yes yes let’s not forget to shoot the messenger, and also keep paying to support baph, yes good ethics all around

          • Faggory Daggory Doo!

            I honestly dont give two shits about baph. by that resoning they should shut down facebook, tumblr and imigur. and btw baph doesnt exist on 8chan anymore. and a site which upholds freespeech is admirable.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” btw baph doesnt exist on 8chan anymore”

            cool if true

            Still, why GG supported the harassment of women in GG for so long, I have no idea.

          • Jack Layton

            Lol, theres somebody claiming to support thos who are being harassed (which is not okay) then harassing people.
            Fun Fact #1 Insuling people online is considered a crim and you can be fined up too $1000
            Fun Fact #2 You just strengthened the argument that anti-GG people don’t have actual arguments (which until now I completely dismissed as being the actual case) and just lash out
            Wanna help our case even more? REPLY HERE and give me evidence. I’m putting that one in my evidence folder (With your name blacked out of course) I Think that one should be put with the paper i’m making that has I have to use to address the rest of my Uni with.

          • hams

            Fun Fact #3: It’s not against the law to insult someone. 1st amendment and all that. You guys love to talk about the 1st amendment but some of you seem very confused about what it means. Harassment is against the law, threats of physical violence, stalking. Y’know, the stuff GG does.

            Fun Fact #4: Ok please do me a huge favor and just lay out ALL of the comments that I responded to with the full comment thread. I would be thrilled to know a GG is willing to spread evidence of them being owned in every possible way. I’m far from the only one making ya’ll look bad either. Ya’ll may never recognize what a very small and very silly minority you are.

      • Erik Ahrend

        Also by zoe’s own definition, she raped her boyfriend and attempted to get a photographer fired because she didn’t like how her photos came out.

        • ReallyNotThough

          nope, but keep pushing those lies

          this is all very ethical and very related to journalism

          • Erik Ahrend

            How is it a lie when she said to Eron that she doesn’t lie, and believes that cheating and lying is literally rape, but then goes ahead and does it anyway. By her definition she had literally raped Eron.

            She’s also admitted to several people that she had stabbed a dude in the face before.

            She’s also attempted to ruin a career of a photographer under the alias of Locke Valentine.

            I’m not supporting the abuse and harassment of her, I’m saying that she’s not someone who should be idolized.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” believes that cheating and lying is literally rape”

            Primarily because she didn’t say that, and also didn’t cheat.

            If you’re on a break, it’s not cheating. Sorry.

            “who should be idolized.”

            Who is idolizing her? I’d be happy if you creepy stalkers stopped lying about her.

          • val86

            “By her definiton, cheating is rape” is all nice and good but cheating is not rape. See I can say that, by my definiton, potato chips are vegetables and therefore count as a vegetable serving if I eat them. But potatoes chips aren’t really vegetables. And cheating isn’t really rape. Any questions?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nor was that her actual definition, nor did she actually cheat, far as anyone knows.

          • hams

            Great you’ve made your incredibly important opinion known, go back to your solemn life of jerking off into pringles cans.

        • Rick Diehl

          Erik, wake up. Gjoni posted her personal information as well as their private correspondence online after he stole much of the information from her computer. What he did was wrong. It really is.

      • Snakes on a Car

        Says the nerdy woman posing as a man and shilling for feminism.

      • Thomas Zell

        This is a woman who used to organize online harassment campaigns against people, some of these involved death threats and other forms of harassment, not from her of course but from “social justice warriors” answering her clarion call to destroy the lives of anyone who disagrees with the liberal hegemony.

        • ReallyNotThough

          any more random lies you want to throw out in order to justify your stalking

          • snoopy

            Don’t need to justify it. It’s just fun and entertaining.

          • ReallyNotThough

            TBH, this is the most honest GG answer I’ve seen.

            Can you even imagine explaining to your parents, on the day you were born, that they’d just given birth to someone who will stalk and abuse women for fun?

          • Thomas Zell

            No. I am going to shift my focus towards creepily stalking Hillary Clinton. I’ll publicize private personal information about her career, most of it will be embarrassing stuff that she should be well within her rights to keep private. I might even attend events that she ios present at, and ask her questions that will be difficult to answer and make her feel very uncomfortable. I will focus on dragging her good name and reputation through the mud, even though she’s a good hard working person who has never done any harm to me, I will work towards ruining her career, and I will do it completely out of spite because I am a white cisgendered heterosexual man, and that is what we do by nature unless taught otherwise.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “and that is what we do by nature”

            Good work inventing opinions in order to argue against them A+++

        • Rick Diehl

          Online harassment and threats are wrong. I don’t argue with that. Which is why Gjoni is so very much in the wrong here. I’m not a fan of Quinn, but posting her personal information online was seriously unethical.

      • snoopy

        So what are you going to do about it, mr. grown up?

        • Rick Diehl

          Oh that’s adorable. Challenging me to be an internet tough guy. That’s great. I am highly amused.

  • Eggard Snark

    the literally who’s should be given a pedestal so everyone can judge their stupidity for themselves. Like Anita who can talk all she wants while having zero effect on sales.

    • lilin

      It’s funny how you talk about how she’s stupid and has zero effect on sales two comments after you were just whining about how she gets too much attention from important people.

  • Lore

    The commitment it takes for these guys to do this reeks of unwanted virginities and Cheetos.

  • Eggard Snark

    Anita goes on Colbert and is such an important person yet she can’t even break 200k views on her game concept, Total Biscuit can make a video of game options and get 10x the views she does. She and the rest of her “social justice” friends are feckless nobodies.

    • Erik Miles

      Oh yes, such nobodies that people have practically made entire Youtube careers obsessively trying to “rip apart” her every spoken word.

      • Eggard Snark

        whaa whaa

        • Matthew Trevor

          Fantastic counterpoint, you totally demolished his facts there.

    • Bobby

      The best part about her Colbert interview was how he threw her softball questions and she still buckled and stumbled and looked like a fool. I would give my left arm to watch her debate her points outside of the echo chambers she frequents.

      • ReallyNotThough

        you seem very invested in this

      • Mr Corrections

        Is that what happened, in your imagination?

    • Daniel Latta

      So why are you so threatened by them, then?

    • lilin

      Yeah, sweetie, and you’re the people who make her more important. People like Stephen Colbert care that there is an organized group that threatens, harasses, and hacks people they don’t like.

      Stephen Colbert will never give a shit about a video about game options, nor should he. People don’t care about your problems because you are the problem.

  • Snakes on a Car

    White liberals are a cancer.

    • mmendel46

      White conservatives are something far worse

      • zonilo1 .

        You completely miss the point since you only see the world in dichotomies.

        • Mr Corrections

          Wrong.

          • zonilo1 .

            Same applies to you.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t even remember what I was replying to!

    • GP

      SNIP SNIP SNIP!

    • Flor D. Turra

      Not as much as white right wing nuts

    • Daniel Latta

      Yes — we keep on growing and there’s no way you can stop us.

  • Flor D. Turra

    One would think that there are more important things in the world than fighting for ethics in video games journalism. I guess someone has to do the job? Keep up the good fight, champs

    • Woody

      Fallacy of relative privation.

      “look I’m doing something wrong, but worse things happen in the world so turn a blind eye”

      • Jack Layton

        I wonder when you are going to realise that the only people to bring sexism into gamergate was the media.

        • Woody

          This is true.

      • Flor D. Turra

        That’s funny because that’s what people say about western feminism “Women in the middle east have it worse!”

  • Sterling Ericsson

    In other Gamergate news, it looks like this week was the Society of Professional Journalists ethics week that they do every year and GGers have been flooding their hashtag so that there aren’t even any voices from people that are actually a part of the society getting through.

    Because ethics, right?

    • hams

      Buhhh errr, no dats the agent provokatours. it’s a false flag i heard about it on youtube. they did a crayon rubbing of a bank statement and that’s all the evidence i need.

  • Eggard Snark

    Do any of you tards even calculus bro? I will epsilon delta your minds into outer space.

    • Rick Diehl

      That’s so cute, nerd talk.

    • ReallyNotThough

      high school is a magical time

  • Dave Satterthwaite

    Here’s the thing. Gamergate is toxic. It’s the playground of maladjusted males who are losing it now that ‘others’ are invading their treehouse. Spoiled, entitled, brats.

    But.

    This article is a hatchet job, and does more to promote their cause than any hundred pages of vitriol.

    You make Zoe Quinn out to be a strong, impressive woman who is being victimised.

    She isn’t. She is a woman battling severe illness and as a result acted in destructive ways. That these actions prompted such a horrendous tide of evil is indeed a travesty of the highest order. But by creating a dishonest backstory you’re just adding to the negativity, not unwinding it.

    You have fabricated a story here to support a cause I agree with, but I detest that your dishonest approach makes me side with the Gamergaters – and I can see why some of the more moderate members of their group become ‘radicalised’.

    Here’s factual evidence of the people involved. Ignore the marginalia, just read the comments.

    https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/green3.jpg

    These people have issues. MAJOR issues .Those issues should not in any way be attached to, or used as justification for, the ideological clash that is #gamergate on either ‘side’.

    I don’t care about ‘ethics in game journalism’, as I know that is slang for ‘get out of our treehouse’.

    I do care about ethics in actual journalism, and this article displays a paucity.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Yes let’s spread around more of the private material specifically edited and released by a woman’s abuser to retroactively justify that abuse, this seems like something normal and healthy people do.

      • Woody

        You have spread more of her private details than most.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Wouldn’t have to if GG could stop lying for like five seconds.

          • Woody

            Oh right “they made me spread her personal details”

            How did they do that?

            They spread inaccurate info so that justified you breaching her privacy and spreading her real info!

            Right and you are not a totally obsessed stalker of course.

            You know she has a bf right…

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, are you trying to out-gaslight Eron? You might need some more practice.

            You know, in real movements, people don’t just push whatever line of BS they think will bother people.

          • Woody

            Stop stalking her and posting what you “believe” to be her personal information.

            Creepy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Good gaslighting I give it 6 creepy nerdbros out of 10

          • Woody

            Stop obsessively following stories about her across the Web and posting detailed info about her.

            You are a stalker. She doesn’t want you. You aren’t helping her by posting info about her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Down to 1/10

            imagine what you on your deathbed will think about that period of your life you spent justifying lies and harassment

          • Woody

            Seriously let her go.

            You are just dredging more stuff up.

            You are stalking and not helping her.

            She doesn’t want you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine being someone who could love and be loved

          • Woody

            It’s not love. When you meet someone in real life you will realise. Leave her alone.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine there being any point at all to anything you say or do

          • Woody

            Stop stalking her. She does not and will never want a relationship with you.

            You have done more to incite discussion of her personal life and posted more of what you claim to be the most accurate details of her private life than anyone here.

            Leave the girl alone. Find someone else. Find a woman in real life and actually talk to her and get to know her instead of stalking unobtainable e-celebs online.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine if someone actually wanted to be in a room alone with you

          • Woody

            Stop stalking her.

            She doesn’t want your “help”.

            She doesn’t want you spreading her private info around.

            She has a boyfriend, you and her will NEVER be a thing.

            Move on, find someone obtainable.

            Stop sending threats to her on sock puppet accounts so that you can switch to your main account and valiantly ride to her defence.

            She doesn’t care. She doesn’t want to know you. Leave her alone.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine not having to lie when people ask you what you do all day

          • Woody

            Also stop giving her money.

            She doesn’t notice you when you do that.

            You could have spent that money on a real date.

            I repeat:

            “Army of thousands”………

            Number of individuals behind the threats identified by the FBI = ZERO.

            We could have half a dozen neutral trolls behind all this, or it could be you trying to create reasons to get her attention when you defend her.

            You have posted no evidence as to how many individuals are involved.

            The FBI has no evidence either.

            Yet you have wildly pointed the finger and launched a massive bigoted attack against millions.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine if your life was about more than defending your consumer purchases

          • Woody

            Defending consumer purchases?

            Wrong.

            Defending millions of people who have been targeted by vile racist, sexist bigots like you and Quinn.

            The SJW cult with assistance from the mainstream media acted as judge, jury and executioner.

            Yet the FBI were saying “we don’t actually know how many people are behind these accounts and we don’t know who they are”.

            If you know different please pass that information to the FBI. If this website knows different perhaps they can take that information to the FBI too.

            Also stop stalking Quinn. She has a boyfriend. He is better looking than you and his parents are multi-millionaires if not billionaires. She would never touch someone like you. Even Leigh Alexander said that people like you disgusted her as much as those making the threats.

            Find someone obtainable, stop sending her death threats in false flag attacks and stop spreading her personal info online.

          • ReallyNotThough

            you know that none of what you say actually happened in real life right

          • Woody

            Well depends if you call The Guardian and other sub human animal SJW publications “real life”.

            An echo chamber for the mentally ill? Yes.

            But still dangerous. Still able to be a vehicle for the incitement of hatred.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh it’s funny how none of those articles actually slandered millions of people, tho.

          • Woody

            They incited hatred against “gamers”.

            I repeat what I said before.

            I don’t care what a worthless wretched sub human animal believes the word “gamer” to mean.

            I care what the PUBLIC consider to it mean.

            The public read the Guardian, the public are the ones being incited to hate millions of innocent people.

            If you had any evidence of who sent Quinn threats, you should have passed it to the FBI with my absolute full blessing. I’d love to see those horrible people busted and jailed as much as you.

            Instead the sub human animals went on a giant mainstream media tour inciting hatred against millions of innocent people who had nothing to do with it.

            Not only did you lose my support at that point, but by inciting mass hatred against an entire demographic you lowered yourself to the level of Nazi’s in my eyes. Lower than the lowest form of animal life on earth and no better than the people who sent the death threats in the first place.

            I see SJW’s and the trolls who sent Ms Quinn death threats in the same light. If any of you caught fire in an accident and were in agonising pain, I wouldn’t waste a teaspoon of urine to put the flames out.

            The world has had no place for your type of behaviour since 1945. We tried and hung what were left of your ideological ancestors and it should have ended there.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “They incited hatred against gamers”

            Don’t you think that, if this were true, articles doing it would, you know, exist?

          • Woody

            I’m not playing your sub human animal game.

            The one where you pretend not to know where all the articles are, troll me into collecting and pasting all the links, only for you to completely ignore them and play the “moving the goal posts” fallacy as you have repeatedly done.

            You think I haven’t seen that before? You have done it half a dozen times in this thread where you asked for evidence, it was posted, you got owned and then you just moved the goal posts and went on a tangent.

            Sub human animals who incite hatred against entire demographics (and stalk vulnerable women and post their private info online as you did to Quinn) aren’t worth the effort.

          • ReallyNotThough

            The game where things actually need to exist to be an issue?

            I know which articles your cult tells you slander gamers. But if you read them you’ll find that in reality, none of them do.

          • Woody

            Not wasting my time linking it. We tried that over the Kotaku article and the “modelling” pictures.

            You just ignore it and move the goal posts.

            The articles are still present on the BBC and Guardian websites. If people are interested in them they can find them easily.

            It matters not whether a sub human animal like you has the link. The people that matter will go find it if they are interested.

            Stop stalking Quinn. Stop posting her private information online. She does not want you, she doesn’t care who you are, she doesn’t care that you donate to her.

            You will never have a relationship with her. You had no chance to start with and when you posted details of her private life in the public domain that chance when into minus numbers.

            Move on, find someone obtainable.

    • Jelperman

      Nice concern-trolling. I don’t care what Zoe Quinn did. Egging on a bunch of shut-ins to make death and rape threats against her (to the point where a judge had to get involved) is vile and disgusting. Quinn could have committed actual crimes and what this cadre of creeps has done is over the line.

      • ReallyNotThough

        I feel the concept of “none of your business” went out of fashion about five years ago and it’s a shame

      • Dave Satterthwaite

        Do you actually read what you respond to?

        I detest gamergaters. I also detest people who provide them with ammunition. The fabrications in this article will simply give these horrid little creeps another few months of vitriol.

        I’m not judging Zoe Quinn, far from it. She acted out of illness, not malice.

        But instead of getting help, her illness has been made exponentially worse by both sides of this ‘culture war’.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “I’m not judging Zoe Quinn, far from it.”

          Yet you just called her abusive and mentally ill.

          You could be doing literally anything else BUT judging her right now, but you choose to judge her.

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            You are the person who thinks calling someone abusive and mentally ill is a ‘judgment’.

            I don’t. I don’t think mental illness is a bad thing, or something that demeans someone.

            You seriously need to check that.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You are the person who thinks calling someone abusive and mentally ill is a ‘judgment’.”

            Calling someone abusive is a judgement. How would it not be?

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            You don’t deserve the reply but in the interests of education:

            People abuse because of illness. Whether it’s a congenital illness like full blown psychopathology or an environmentally-caused illness such as PTSD.

            If you judge someone for being abusive, you’re judging them for being ill. This is what society does, as it allows for easy control of stupid people.

            In actuality, you can no more judge a woman for beating her husband than you can a person for having a cold.

            Judging is just socially-sanctioned exorcising of your own insecurities and utterly unproductive.

            What you should do, assuming you want to make the world a better place, is understand so the issue can be avoided in future.

            Understand WHY Zoe had sex with other men – causing extreme emotional pain to someone she claimed to love

            Understand WHY Eron decided to publish this information publicly, knowing that at least in some way it would have significant negative effects on someone he claimed to love.

            You can sit there and pointlessly judge as much as you want.

            It won’t help. Mental illness affects everyone, and dressing it up and hiding it under social constructs just makes the world a nasty place.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “People abuse because of illness. ”

            Absolute BS. People with mental illness are more likely to be abused than to abuse.

            “If you judge someone for being abusive, you’re judging them for being ill.”

            Nope, FFS. Illness and being an abusive shit are two separate things. Ableist nonsense.

            “Understand WHY Zoe had sex with other men”

            Does the phrase “none of your business” hold any weight at all any more?

            “Understand WHY Eron decided to publish this information publicly, knowing that at least in some way it would have significant negative effects on someone he claimed to love.”

            Because he’s an abusive shit who has no regrets that he ruined the life of his ex?

            “Mental illness affects everyone”

            And yet, only a small number of those try to violate their restraining orders to continue victimizing people.

            It’s almost like mental illness doesn’t make someone do bad things, huh?

          • Woody

            Call a spade a spade as we say here.

            Stop upvoting your own comments, it’s embarrassing you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Stop upvoting your own comments, it’s embarrassing you.”

            Maybe try living in the real world instead of one of whimsy?

          • Woody

            One assumes you will stop now! To prove you weren’t doing it!

            Bam!

          • ReallyNotThough

            …are you having a stroke

          • Woody

            Oh look the instant upvotes within one second of posting have stopped.

            Maybe some one was stalking you and upvoting as soon as you posted!

            Upvoting harassment! Quick start a patreon!

          • ReallyNotThough

            you have difficulty with the real world huh

          • Woody

            Stalking her across the Web with this white knight act won’t make her love you and give you what she gave the five guys.

            Her boyfriend is loaded. She won’t give you a glance.

            Stop stalking her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            And flagged.

            imagine the hopes and dreams your parents had for you

          • Woody

            Stop stalking her and posting her true information.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine what you as a child would say if he knew this nightmare would be your life

          • Woody

            You are a stalker. She doesn’t want you. You aren’t helping her by posting info about her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine what your life could be if you weren’t so shitty in every conceivable way

        • Jack Layton

          Except… your forgetting that she slept with game reviewers to get good press review and received no consequence from this because it’s was called ‘misogynistic’.
          BTW the harassment she is recieveing is inhumane, I completey agree. She has however manipulated people to agree with her and get off charges of over $50000

          • Mr Corrections

            Thanks, moral scold #2152156! We should make her wear a big scarlet A, and also send her endless rape threats! Thankfully it’s all been made OK by that libel you just posted.

          • Jack Layton

            Im not saying that the harassment she received is good, Just that she has done numerous illegal deals to get better press. So, you going to relpy with an actual argument? Or just continue to think of yourself of morally superiour

          • Mr Corrections

            The imaginary things you are talking about aren’t in any way illegal, nor would they be any of your business even if they had actually happened (which, let me clear, they did not).

            I hope that helps!

    • hams

      LOL that’s the bombshell that the GG people have been talking about?? That aint a smoking gun, it’s not even a wet sparkler.

      People all across the country are having facebook drama identical to that. I see someone dealing with a lot of previous issues, wracked by anxiety, speaking stream of conciousness to relieve the pressure. I see Egon, a little bit too eager to please, maybe even a pushover. He didn’t understand that it was about her feeling less anxious, not about who he did and didn’t spend his time with

      Then he goes back in time, and chooses to interpret the whole thing in a negative light. (lol assuming any of this is legit)

      If this is the best GG has, I’ve somehow found a new level of unconvinced.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Haha I wondered why they never seemed to quote exactly what was so awful in the chatlogs…

      • ReallyNotThough

        Also, holy shit, I started reading it, and man do Eron’s comments sure reek of creepy bitter desperation, though.

        • hams

          Right?? Whatever happened later in their relationship, that conversation looked completely earnest to me. Lots of jilted people do this, they poison their own memories by searching back trying to think of new lies and betrayals that ‘could have’ happened.

        • Woody

          Yeah I know, rape victim bitter. Who would have thought.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get how you can’t actually bend reality by saying it doesn’t exist, right?

          • Woody

            Quinn had violent non consensual intercourse with him.

            Her words/definitions.

            The more you white knight, the more this gets spread.

          • ReallyNotThough

            reality will still be here when you get back

      • Woody

        GG have Nexus 7-gate too.

        They have lots of ethics breaches.

        Quinn/Grayson is far from the best they have.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Huh, then maybe they could stop lying about Quinn incessantly on every forum.

          Maybe you could.

          • Woody

            How do you know it’s lies? Been stalking her have you?

            Know all her true personal details do you?

          • ReallyNotThough

            On account of there being no evidence to support it?

          • Woody

            Plenty of evidence has been posted under this story.

            You are an obsessed stalker. Stop stalking her.

            She doesn’t want you. She has a better man.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Getting weaker. I give it 3 gaslights wearing fedoras out of 10.

          • Woody

            You are a stalker. She doesn’t want you. You aren’t helping her by leaking info about her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            down to 0

          • Woody

            Please leave her alone. She doesn’t want a relationship with you.

            You have posted more personal info on her than anyone.

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine not feeling completely worthless, and knowing deep-down that it’s because you are

          • Woody

            Yeah imagine.

            Will you leave her alone and stop stalking and posting her real personal info across this page now?

          • ReallyNotThough

            imagine someone actually wanting to talk to you in real life instead of feeling obligated

          • Jack Layton

            Really, the amount of times I’ve seen you accuse ReallyNotThough of stuff could be considered stalking. You are responding and harassing to everything he says. And yes, it technically is Harrasment

          • Woody

            Yes I am harassing him for stalking a vulnerable woman. I make no apology for that. It is the only right and decent thing to do.

            Two ways to handle that.

            The decent way is for him to stop stalking and obsessing over her and posting all her “real” private info that he somehow discovered.

            The inappropriate way is to cry “harassment” and continue stalking the vulnerable woman and posting the real details of her private life everywhere.

            I think he should do the first option. You clearly condone his stalking obsession.

        • hams

          Then can someone please explain to me why so many of you, on so many forms of media, are so fucking obsessed with ZQ? Why all the attacks on her, Wu, Sarkeesian, Aisha Tyler?

          I mean let’s pretend that I give a shit about games journalism (i don’t). I would be doing everything I could to get the movement to completely abandon and condemn Enron Gonad. He’s a dead weight that has done nothing but draw negative attention to your movement. In fact, i would be aware of the (well deserved) extremely misogynist reputation that the group had garnered. I’d be cleaning house, organizing. That way you could actually say ‘this or that person isn’t with us’. I would completely avoid anything resembling an attack on women in games, since ya’ll seem to have such an issue repressing the psychos from going wild. I would drop all the anti-feminist, anti-sjw bullshit, because really that’s just you trying to do to them, what you claim they are doing to you.

          Nobody knows or cares about your other ethics breaches because this anti-women thing is by far and away the biggest and most newsworthy part of the whole organization.

          • Woody

            Who brought ZQ up this time? Who was it that posted all the details of the sordid affair on this site?

            Did GG write the story on this page?

            You need to take that issue up with the hosts.

            As for Wu and Sarkeesian, they are constantly engaging GG.

            GG isn’t so much “attacking” but “replying”.

            That being said, if someone incites hatred against me and my demographic, I would defend myself against them. Any decent person would. Naturally sub human animals like SJW’s describe a person defending themselves as “attacking”.

            Those that incite hatred against entire demographics are sub-human and should be challenged at every opportunity.

          • hams

            OK I’m sorry you feel the evil feminists are forcing you to respond by…what exactly? Showing evidence? If there were no evidence, why respond?

            You’re here, you’re talking about ZQ, the article was about Gonad.

            Btw the only people inciting hatred towards gamers are the unbelievably shitty gamers themselves.

            Nobody cares about GG they only care about the abuse, stop abusing and then fade into utter obscurity.

          • Woody

            Forcing people to respond by acting like sub human animals and posting hate speech in the mainstream media and inciting hatred against an entire demographic of millions of innocent people.

            You still cannot produce a scrap of evidence showing who sent Quinn death threats. This article talks about an “army of thousands” but has absolutely no evidence to show that it was anything more than a few 14 year old trolls doing it for the lols and to stir up a culture war.

            Quinn went to the BBC and Guardian and they published her vile hate speech where she incited hatred against millions of innocent people including me.

            And you think I should just leave you sub human animals to do that without challenging you and asking for evidence?!?!?

            I wont fade, I will expose you sub human animals at every opportunity for what you are – bigots who would incite hatred against innocent people based on prejudice and intolerance and without a scrap of evidence.

      • utera

        If it was the bomb shell we’d have shown it to you months ago. http://pastebin.com/T9ush9TU
        That’s just a bit of her actual past, and the actual reality of what gg said back then. Internet Aristocrats original “quinnspiracy” video had close to a million views, and helped start this issue, his video was the call to arms, and he dismissed her relevance within the first third of the video.
        Ask yourself how are you this misinformed on this issue, when you can confirm for yourself, none of this is hidden, its right there, words from the past mirrored over countless channels.
        Its because when you attack the press, the press attacks you, and they have been controlling the narrative, and misinforming and censoring information to the point they have people not understand the basics 8 months into an incident.

    • Dave Satterthwaite

      Some pretty poor reading comprehension on show here. Allow me to bullet point it for your benefit.

      – Death and rape threats are never justified, no matter your ideological base
      – Both parties are significantly mentally ill and abusive people and should not be made out to be saints or sinners, but folks needing help
      – Gamergate is actually about misogyny from those threatened by diversity
      – The three things above should not be conflated
      – Doing so to advance your own ideological point of view is what is causing this clusterf*ck

      • ReallyNotThough

        ” Both parties are significantly mentally ill”

        Thanks for your internet diagnosis of complete strangers, it’s really helpful and adds to the conversation.

        “abusive people”

        What actually in the chatlogs is abusive?

        “but folks needing help”

        Lots of folks need help. Trying to paint the victim of abuse as mentally ill and thus unworthy of support is stupid.

        Find a cause that doesn’t suck.

        • Dave Satterthwaite

          “Thanks for your internet diagnosis of complete strangers, it’s really helpful and adds to the conversation.”

          Both have publicly and repeatedly admitted to their various illnesses. I’m not diagnosing.

          “What actually in the chatlogs is abusive?”

          Both are emotionally manipulating each other unhealthily. At least one of them is cheating on the other.

          “Lots of folks need help. Trying to paint the victim of abuse as mentally ill and thus unworthy of support is stupid.”

          You’re the one equating mental illness means unworthy of support. That’s the exact OPPOSITE of what I have said and you may want to consider why you view things that way. Zoe Quinn is desperately in need of support, as is Eron Gjoni. Writing fabricated hatchet job articles to continue this drama is the last thing they need.

          “Find a cause that doesn’t suck.”

          I have been actively battling gamergaters for months. Your idiotic assumption that I am one just means your own ideological blinkers are causing you to project on to what I said.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Both have publicly and repeatedly admitted to their various illnesses. ”

            Then you’re still not adding anything.

            “At least one of them is cheating on the other.”

            Nope. The “week off” that Eron keeps referencing actually was a week off, they were on a break.

            “manipulating”

            Oh FFS. If I was staying with a lady who I just met who wanted to have sex with me, my wife would be pissed and anxious too. Welcome to the real world.

            “You’re the one equating mental illness means unworthy of support.”

            Nope, you are. Right when you complained that it’s wrong to show a woman as strong and impressive when she has mental illness.

            “our idiotic assumption that I am one”

            I never said you were. Your cause is spreading an abusive ex’s notes trying to justify his abuse as part of an argument that someone depressed can’t also be strong and impressive. That’s the cause that sucks, champ.

          • Woody

            She had violent non consensual intercourse with him.

            Her words. She raped him.

            I think she knows more about it than you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Her words.”

            Nope. Just the words of assholes who want to justify the abuse of her after the fact.

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow. You really suck.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Zoe Quinn is desperately in need of support,”

            She could probably use some kind words and Patreons, sure.

            Know what she doesn’t need? A bunch of nosey assholes looking into her relationship history to find something wrong with her.

            JFC.

          • Woody

            You seem to know a lot about her relationship history.

            Indeed your are constantly and obsessively telling people that you know more about it than them.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Well, it’s not hard to know more than people who deliberately invent shit and then see if repeating it hundreds of times will make it true.

      • http://twitter.com/fannygirdle Fangride

        >Death and rape threats are never justified, no matter your ideological base

        Correct.

        >Both parties are significantly mentally ill and abusive people and should not be made out to be saints or sinners, but folks needing help

        Very much correct.

        >Gamergate is actually about misogyny from those threatened by diversity

        Deeply incorrect. That “Gamergate” movement that the media likes to call it was not a movement about misogyny. It was a reaction to a corruption in gaming journalism that was sparked by what Zoe Quinn did. Just because the issue was a woman using sex to further herself and people were rightfully pissed about that doesn’t make it intrinsically misogynistic. No gender should be able to bribe others for coverage and positive reviews – IN ANY WAY, be it money, sex, goods. Quinn’s actions revealed a major issue with gaming “journalism” that revealed it as a joke among real journalists.

        >Doing so to advance your own ideological point of view is what is causing this clusterf*ck

        But yes, those absurdly awful people sending death threats and other disgusting things are actively hampering the actual purpose of the shitstorm that came out after Quinn’s actions were revealed. Those people are horrible, and NOBODY deserves that sort of treatment, but it doesn’t negate the very real issues below them.

        • Dave Satterthwaite

          I’ve BEEN a games journalist. I’ve worked as a journalist for over two decades.

          And if you’re getting your panties wadded over thin allegations of maybe one or two people getting it on as ‘corruption’ then you are possibly so stupid you’re a danger to yourself and others.

          Hot tip.

          Gaming publications make their money from advertising, and given how thin on the ground money is, that’s a lot more important to them than journos getting their jollies.

          But let’s face it. No one ACTUALLY cares about ethics in game journalism.

          If they did, this would be millions of posts regarding the CEOs and marketing teams of Ubisoft, EA, and other AAA+ publishers.

          It’s just a bunch of dudes flipping out about women in their treehouse.

          DEAL WITH IT

          • http://twitter.com/fannygirdle Fangride

            >No one ACTUALLY cares about ethics in game journalism.

            They damn well need to start then. I shouldn’t have to sit back and deal with gaming publications not being held to the standards of actual journalism. It’s entirely against an ethical code as a JOURNALIST to accept bribery and to toss aside ethics. It’s utterly disgusting to excuse too. AAA publishers have created a massive shithole, but it’s crazy that it took an indie dev to actually make people care.

        • lilin

          ” Just because the issue was a woman using sex to further herself and people were rightfully pissed about that doesn’t make it intrinsically misogynistic.”

          Except she didn’t do that. The fact that you keep spreading lies about it is part (but certainly not all) of what makes you a hate group.

          And as for ethics in journalism, when GameSpot fired Jeff Gerstmann for giving a bad review – where were you guys? Oh right. Nowhere.

          • http://twitter.com/fannygirdle Fangride

            Keep in mind, I hardly support GamersGate. A lot of the methods used are totally inexcusable. And I applauded GameSpot for that. Stepping up and taking action against corruption in the fledging game journalism industry is insanely needed, and not just on the indie stage.

            The lies don’t help anyone and only serve to move the discussion away from major issues.

          • lilin

            You applauded GameSpot for firing a guy because he gave a game a bad review and the makers of the game were mad?

    • Harold the Horny Hunter

      Zoe Quinn created this monster, she deserves everything she gets. I have no sympathy.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “created this monster”

        No pretty sure Gjoni has control over his actions.

        “I have no sympathy.”

        People in hate movements typically don’t, especially for their victims. Not something to brag about, though.

        • Jack Layton

          Gamergate is not a hate movement. A small vocal section are using it as an excuse to abuse and threaten MEN AND WOMEN who disagree with them. That’s like say ‘ISIS are muslim, so all muslims are terrorists’. Its literally removing peoples identities so you can dismiss valid arguments

          • Mr Corrections

            GamerGate is 100% a hate movement. It exists for no other reason than to harass and intimidate women, and to attempt to excuse and downplay that behaviour.

            I hope that helps!

          • Benjamin Stanley

            The problem with gamergate is that anyone can “join it”. Just by tweeting #gamergate.

            That said –

            I have been noticing a trend in the mainstream media recently.

            Especially with the recent riots. CNN, MSNBC, etc. are only showing the negative of the Baltimore riots. I am not sure where you are from but I saw first hand the peaceful 10k peaceful protest. That is only being picked up by smaller news sites.

            Example –
            http://blackwestchester.com/2015/04/27/10000-peacefully-protest-bmore/

            Why because they sell advertisements. I have a feeling that the same thing will happen to Baltimore that happened to GamerGate.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Well that explains the women in GamerGate…oh wait.

          • Mr Corrections

            Did you know that there was a once a movement allied to the KKK that consisted entirely of black people? Of course you didn’t.

            Anyone, the five or six female idiots who buy into your grotesque ideology don’t actually excuse your actions in any way or form.

            I hope that helps!

          • Insanelyasinine

            My actions of what exactly? I’ve done nothing but followed reports. My inactions? Yes I’ve done nothing. Like I’m doing nothing on Baltimore.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Did you know that “I know what you did last summer” of course not 😛

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Nobody’s ever internalized abuse before… oh wait. nerds aren’t mostly clueless fanatics to begin with… oh wait.

          • Jack Layton

            Fact check, it was originally used to bring females into gaming creation with Fine Young Capitalists, we donated over $70000 and at the same Zoe Quinn attacked this movement. Look up your facts, check if you don’t believe me.

            https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists–2

            The reason its fine young capitalists 2 is because Zoe successfully removed the first one

            I’ve already made this comment so I have to right a new one. But this one perfectly counters your argument so i’ll just change this bit

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you think that’s any kind of argument.

          • Jack Layton

            look, I’ve given you sources. I have given you proof its not a misogynistic hate group, but if all you can do is ignore that and insult me I will ignore.
            And incase you missed this…… I DO NOT APPROVE OF THE HARRASSMENT BOTH SIDES ARE RECIEVING AND CONSIDER IT BARBARIC. Now that that’s out of the way, let me point out that a. Both sides receive harassment, and b. That is a minority of the GGs, a sick demented minority, but we cant stop them. Because even if GG ends they will insult here and harass her, as inhumane as it is. What do you suggest we do? Its a problem we have tried to neutralize but is impossible to. We try to make it clear we are against harassment but its stupid sites like this and others that tells people we are all white angry male misogynistic rapists.

          • utera

            Its literally all they have, they look at the facts, realize they have nothing, and call you a misogynist.
            They will damn you for the truth.
            Just remember how they attacked Jullian Assange, it was the smear of rape that took him down, no matter how illegitimate, all it took was the accusation.That is the attack strategy these people work from, and its time people just called them on it.

          • lilin

            Nope, Gamergate is a hate movement. It was created by Gjoni to get back at his ex, and that is what it is doing (there’s a guy up thread still spreading the lie that Quinn slept with someone to get a good review). It’s on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s hatewatch list.

            You’re part of a hate group. But you knew that already.

          • Jack Layton

            Fact check, it was originally used to bring females into gaming creation with Fine Young Capitalists, we donated over $70000 and at the same Zoe Quinn attacked this movement. Look up your facts, check if you don’t believe me.
            https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists–2
            The reason its fine young capitalists 2 is because Zoe successfully removed the first one
            Bang

          • Mr Corrections

            Ah ok, so if I spend $70K I can send you thousands of rape and death threats, because money has made it better. I see.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            and gamergate is a hate movement and I honestly came here for the lolz between gg and anti-GG.

          • RhiAnimal

            No, that’s like saying ISIS is ISIS.

          • Jack Layton

            Fact check, it was originally used to bring females into gaming creation with Fine Young Capitalists, we donated over $70000 and at the same Zoe Quinn attacked this movement. Look up your facts, check if you don’t believe me.
            https://www.indiegogo.com/proj
            The reason its fine young capitalists 2 is because Zoe successfully removed the first one
            Now, you have the option to actually look at some facts, and view our sources, or you could just dismiss it.
            But let me quickly make this clear…… I DO NOT APPROVE OF THE HARRASSMENT BOTH SIDES ARE RECIEVING AND CONSIDER IT BARBARIC. Now that that’s out of the way, let me point out that a. Both sides receive harassment, and b. That is a minority of the GGs, a sick demented minority, but we cant stop them. Because even if GG ends they will insult here and harass her, as inhumane as it is. What do you suggest we do? Its a problem we have tried to neutralize but is impossible to. We try to make it clear we are against harassment but its stupid sites like this and others that tells people we are all white angry male misogynistic rapists.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “small ”

            There has been harassment from thousands of people, in a movement of a few thousand. That’s not “small.”

            Was Islam founded specifically as a cover for domestic abuse? Do 95% of Muslims follow and support the worst in their movement? Do all Muslims ignore the harassment and lies being done in their name?

            Yeah no guess that analogy is BS.

        • utera

          Funny, you describe anti gamergate to a T, they basically said “death to gamers” and then pretended they were the victims, sorry no.
          There is no “empathy” for victims when your leaders are loud mouthed bullies like Leigh Alexander, Randi Harper, and Sarah Butts, their behavior and pasts are well documented, there is no escaping the fact that these people are really little more than cyberbullies.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “they basically said “death to gamers””

            Nope. Where?

            Any more tu quoques to throw out to avoid facing the fact that your movement is just cover for a domestic abuser?

      • Mr Corrections

        “I don’t like the victim so she deserves constant rape threats” <- you

        • Harold the Horny Hunter

          She should have thought about that before lying herself into this hole she’s now in. And don’t give me any of that shit about me being a rape supporter, I just feel that she deserves to be mocked, ridiculed, scared, threatened and shunned.

          • Mr Corrections

            Haha wow, you’re not only a fucking gross rape apologist, but also the kind of moron who replies to a 2-month-old thread. Jesus it must be embarrassing being you.

          • Harold the Horny Hunter

            Don’t worry son. You’ll keep.

          • Mr Corrections

            OH NO!!!

      • RhiAnimal

        Yeah, like everyone who has ever been pilloried and obsessively attacked by an abuser. I love the smell of victim-blaming in the morning.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Oh look, GG flock to your post to further libel this woman.

      Ya you’re definitely doing the Lord’s work.

      • Dave Satterthwaite

        If you hadn’t been unveiled as a creepy stalker kind of person I’d happily point out how wrong you are.

        But your actions back up the accusations so you just seethe away there on your own.

        • Mr Corrections

          I’m sorry you’re a rape apologist. Have you considered not being human garbage?

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            Show me on the doll where I apologised for rape.

            I didn’t, quit projecting and save your vitriol for someone on the other ‘team’.

          • Mr Corrections

            Three posts of yours up.

            I hope that helps!

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            Not really, who was raped? I know Eron was *allegedly* raped but I’m pretty sure I didn’t apologise for that.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry you don’t understand the very obvious (to normal people) concept that being a rape apologist also means posting rape threat apologia and downplaying rape threats – both of which you did, at length..

            I hope that helps!

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            I did? Show me where? I mean actually post a quote and explain why, rather than making pointless dramatic accusations.

            Also, as someone who has actually counselled many people through rape issues, you have no idea how offensive your wild projection is being.

            How about you stop knee jerking and actually read what you are responding to?

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            Five posts of yours up. If you need help counting, there are many fine remedial education institutes available in your area.

            I hope that helps!

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            Post the actual quote.

          • Mr Corrections

            I feel for you – it’s very sad that you cannot understand how and why you’re so gross, or admit it even when it becomes obvious in retrospect. It must make every social interaction you have endlessly awkward and humiliating.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            What is a rape apologist? I am curious now because you are making a fuss out of it.

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            I feel for you – it’s very sad that you are actually unable to provide a shred of evidence for your accusations and must resort to delusional rambling.

            In the spirit of that pity, I’ll do it for you. Here’s your ‘rape apologia’

            ‘Death and rape threats are never justified, no matter your ideological base’

            ‘horrendous tide of evil is indeed a travesty of the highest order.’

            Goodness me, I practically FORCE people to rape I love it so much!

            People like you make me despair. Your idiocy is what MAKES gamergaters so rabid.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t really care about the opinions of a rape apologist like you.

            I hope that helps!

          • Dave Satterthwaite

            And people like you who dramatically hurl around the term ‘rape apologist’ as an argumentative tool really don’t help.

            You’re an insult to those people who actually HAVE been raped.

            Their suffering isn’t something you should use to score internet points with.

            But a quick scan of your profile shows you have a deep investment in processing some issues through online comments so it’s unlikely you care about that in your selfish catharsis.

            Go see a counsellor – it may seem expensive but in the long run it will save you when you count up the hours you waste in these pointless online spews.

            I help that helps!

        • ReallyNotThough

          Oh yes GG def for real is the authority on who a stalker is.

          Such neutrality. Definitely not a GG sockpuppet!

          How did your life get this sad

    • lilin

      Maladjusted? Try criminal.

      Spoiled? Try violent.

      Brats? Try stalkers.

      But seriously, tell us more about how the victim of harassment should be up to your standards and how anyone who doesn’t condemn the person getting rape threats will make you “side” with the people threatening her.

  • Shocker

    Wanted article about GamerGate, got article about Quinn and Gjoni :'( well done, Boston Mag, you got me

    • ReallyNotThough

      “wanted article about earthquakes, got article about tectonic plates”

      good work

      • Shocker

        Yeah man, Quinn and Gjoni’s personalities are the reason the gaming media declared open war on gamers :'( good work

        • ReallyNotThough

          “the reason the gaming media declared open war on gamers”

          I mean, I’m pretty sure Gjoni didn’t cause the fall of Erebor either but, you know, it’s hard to cause complete fictions.

          • Shocker

            Google tells me that you just referenced something from Lord of the Rings. I haven’t read it, sorry

          • ReallyNotThough

            wow fake nerd boys all over the place these days

            the point is that the Lord of the Rings didn’t happen, hope you picked up on it

          • Shocker

            even though you’ve stated it I still don’t get it cos it’s just too dweeby

          • ReallyNotThough

            yeah stop invading geekdom

        • Irvine

          lol, except there’s no open war on gamers. I mean, I guess there’d be a war on Gamergate, but everyone is fighting against it… game medias, sure, but also mainstream media, game developpers… and even gamers!

          And, no, it’s not because the ”gaming media demonized Gamergate because reasons” Everything the gaming AND mainstream media said about them can be observed itself on social medias or their forum. I already found the massive attacks on Quinn disgusting when they were happening, and since, it only got worse.

          The only positive thing I can say about GG? Well, we all knew that the sexism problem existed in gaming (the phrase ”make me a sandwitch” isn’t well known for nothing), but it was always relegated to some random trolls, not really a big problem to tackle. Now, because of GG, we now are aware that, on the contrary, it is urgent to deal with it; many game developpers spoke up against that movement and for the need to do better. So, that’s good, in some weird way.

          • Shocker

            Open war on gamers refers to that 24 hour period where about 10 gaming sites published anti-gamer articles, and the GameJournosPro leaks later confirmed that this was deliberately co-ordinated.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “anti-gamer articles”

            Yes that is real and true and not a case of criminally bad reading comprehesnion.

            ” the GameJournosPro leaks later confirmed that this was deliberately co-ordinated.”

            Yes that definitely happened and wasn’t made up to retroactively justify a harassment campaign

          • Woody

            The game journos confirmed that the mailing list was genuine.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes it did, A+ good work.

            Now, who deliberately co-ordinated the dastardly articles mentioning that women and casuals were a big part of the gaming market? Where it the GameJournosPros emails did this happen?

          • ewokingdead

            “Yes that is real and true and not a case of criminally bad reading comprehesnion.”

            ^^^^^^^ THIS!! I am so sick of GG not being able to actually read and understand these articles.

          • Shocker

            you think the GameJournosPro convo was made up?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I think it does not show a coordinated attempt to “slander gamers” especially since none of the articles in question did that.

          • Irvine

            Ok, I’m not sure here… because such article never actually existed. But from what I do recall, GGers love to complain about some ”Gamers are dead” article, from Leigh Alexander. A very positive article that states that the stereotype of the awkward, white guy gamer living in his mother basement doesn’t hold true, and that gamers come in many form, men and women, gays and straight, really anyone. And that game developpers don’t have to focus on one single group of gamers, because it’s now so diverse. An article GGers go out of its way to prove wrong, that this stereotype is very much true.

            Is it the article you are referring to? Because it is an amazing article about the current diversity of the gaming culture. Fighting it merely reinforce the negative opinion gamers have of the Gamergate movement.

          • Shocker

            Haha, yeah, the diversity that was already represented by the games being released. She wrote it to imply, as all the Sarkeesian types do, to imply that games were, until her bombshell, made solely for nerdy white men. One has to laugh at the audacity of it. Then feel a bit sad.

          • Woody

            And they have not passed a single shred of evidence to the FBI that gamers did anything.

            All we have are sock puppets that are just as likely to be them making false flag attacks or third party trolls than they are gamers.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “And they have not passed a single shred of evidence to the FBI that gamers did anything.”

            Huh? The games press hasn’t worked with the FBI to prove that the gamer stereotype no longer accurately represents their audience? That what you’re going with?

          • Woody

            You have launched vile bigoted attacks claiming that gamers sent threats to people.

            Yet the FBI has no evidence to support that. You refuse to hand over any evidence you have to the FBI.

            You are inciting hatred based on your own prejudices and you have no evidence of who is behind anonymous accounts.

            You are an obsessed stalker who is libelling millions of innocent people in the hope of winning the heart of someone you have never met and who thinks you are a creep for spreading so much of her real personal details.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You have launched vile bigoted attacks claiming that gamers sent threats to people.”

            Try staying on topic and I’ll actually respond to you.

          • Woody

            This is the topic.

            A vile bigoted smear campaign against millions of innocent people over the actions of a few totally unknown individuals.

            Absolutely ZERO evidence of who made the threats but Quinn and her disgusting vile cult continue with the bigoted attacks and hate speech when even the FBI don’t know who is doing it.

            This story talks of an “army” but has ZERO evidence of how many real people are behind the anonymous accounts.

            Despite repeated requests we have ZERO evidence from you to indicate how many individuals are behind these accounts and who they really are.

            Instead we have you, an extremely dangerous and obsessed stalker desperately trying to get Quinns attention even though she wouldn’t touch you with a barge pole and you have been spreading her private info around.

            You could be the person behind the accounts making the threats. You make the threats so that you can then come on forums defending her and trying to get her attention as well as spreading your prejudices about gamers.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “This is the topic.”

            This thread is about the “Gamers are Dead” articles.

            imagine if you had any actual arguments beyond pretending decent people are only being decent for sex

          • Shocker

            ‘We shouldn’t have to provide evidence’ or something

          • utera

            Brianna Wu’s “drake harper” a notable one.
            And she also made a sarin gas attack threat against herself…

            and its proven she lied about fleeing her home, by her own video streams…
            There is no end to the shamelessness of these people, and what they will defend, its ideological, reality doesn’t enter the equation.

          • ewokingdead

            OMFG are people still trying to spin that BS? that they decliared war on gamers? Did anyone of you ever read the articles?

            They all said the same thing that the term GAMERS isn’t accurate. That we shouldn’t be calling ourselves gamers.

            They didn’t wage war on gamers, that was just a click bate headline.

          • utera

            Or their forum? There is no forum, there are separate communities and a hashtag. Oh really, did you really look at what was happening on social media or did you read articles which all lead back to the same sources, because whatever hastag we’ve taken over for the last 8 months as we do this everytime, trending it, we’ve filled it with protest, and evidence of wrong doing, harassment? Sorry, the evidence isn’t there, the massive misrepresentation of reality is a serious problem.

            Many game devs haven’t spoken up on it, because they don’t fear gamergate, their fear the opposition which has proven that they believe the ends justify the means, its why these hipsters who have been raised in western democratic countries push for censorship whereever they can. Moviebob himself once said “there are no bad tactics, just bad targets” This is the distorted ethical lens these people work through, and its why they continuously bring up that woman, and defend her numerous misdeads, and have no problems pushing a dishonest narrative about her, it fits their ends, and as I said, the ends justify the means.

            http://pastebin.com/MQ1xBVN2

        • veryextremelytrue

          Yah dude. No.

          • Shocker

            4real

        • Brandon Z

          Gaming media *didn’t* declare war on gamers. Gamers declared war on each other, with a heavy emphasis on the female population. The media covered the whole spectrum, from victim-blaming to flame-extinguishing, recognizing traditional problems in the culture (though gaming “culture” is a disputed term in itself) and offering solutions.

          • Shocker

            *offering SarkeesianSolutions.com

          • utera

            Which is funny because there are many women in Gamergate, and frankly gamergate is far more diverse than the white hipster san francisco clique hugbox that fights them. Gamers are made up of the general population which is by default diverse,
            Sorry but after 8 months of shouting, you’ve proved your ghazi selves to be a super minority, just with well connected people in the media to tow your line, which is why censorship has always been required, its inconvenient when you have to hide the extent of just how unpopular you really are.

  • Thomas Zell

    No where in this article, does it explain why people are supposed to feel even the slightest ounce of sympathy for her. Seriously folks, it’s a well known facts that public figures who say incredibly stupid things, have to deal with the bad PR that comes with it. There has been a hell of a lot more hatred directed towards Obama and he is an objectively better person than her in every conceivable way.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “No where in this article, does it explain why people are supposed to feel even the slightest ounce of sympathy for her”

      See, there’s this thing called empathy that people who aren;t part of harassment mobs feel.

      “he is an objectively better person than her in every conceivable way.”

      Pretty sure Quinn has never called a drone strike on a wedding.

      • utera

        A longer pity parade there has never been over a twitter storm.

        Empathy? The people who tar men women and minorities of every kind of misogynists, censor them off the net and abuse them in everyway while they have no protection from the press… there is no empathy for these people.

        Just for a woman who has conducted herself in underhanded ways in both her personal and professional life, during and even before gamergate, and has left a trail of destruction in her wake, and yet, all we hear are “empathetic” articles about her for 8 months now…

        • ReallyNotThough

          “professional life”

          You know that sex for coverage is just a lie GG made up to justify their stalking, right?

    • ReallyNotThough

      ” bad PR ”

      Interesting euphemism for having rape threats phoned to all your family members.

    • Brandon Z

      You must have skipped over the parts regarding the endless barrage of death/rape threats against her, her friends, her family, the publishing of her S.S.# and home address…And of course there’s been “more hatred directed towards Obama”. He’s the President.

      • http://twitter.com/fannygirdle Fangride

        Yes, the death threats and so on are inexcusable. But why does the article ignore the entire core of what sparked the fire? Like, the people who aren’t throwing death threat and being generally horrible people. There was a *lot* of discussion about the actual issue with the accusations that Zoe Quinn used sexual relationships with various games media in order to procure coverage and reviews. Why is that barely even touched on in the article? The accusations were directly that Zoe Quinn was part of a corruption scandal where bribery was taking place.

        Unfortunately most of that dialogue is covered up by horrid people who feel the best way to deal with things is to wish death upon not only the accused, but completely innocent and talented women in the industry as well. But shouldn’t the real dialogue about the gaming media happen, instead of being covered up by all this drama?

        • Mr Corrections

          Who the fuck would even pretend to care why assholes are assholes? They’re assholes, end of story.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            “I am surrounded by assholes”

          • Brandon Z

            No, it isn’t, and there are tens of thousands that think and care very much about people and ideas that you do not. Behavior that may lead you to deem someone “asshole” for black and white reasons is doubtless more varied and complicated than many are willing to try and understand.

        • Brandon Z

          Maybe there wasn’t time for the author to compose such a comprehensive article, or maybe only wanted to focus on the subject ultimately posted. There’s been such a wealth of material published about GamerGate, I could see why–if either of the two possibilities were a factor–such omissions were made.

          • utera

            So many excuses, 8 months on after hundreds of articles covering the same ground, he didn’t have enough time?
            Give me a break.

          • Brandon Z

            I imagine it’s somewhat less common that an editor gives an author an assignment that doesn’t involve entrenchment with a group overseas and says “your deadline is eight months from now. I was suggesting that perhaps he was given one much less generous than that.

      • utera

        http://pastebin.com/MQ1xBVN2 You mean the “dox” she leaked of herself which ended up being all fake information? Numbers going to defunct gas stations or whatever in hawaii?

        This person was a member of helldump, a forum so toxic it achieved a body count, its members were the elite grade doxers and cyberbulliers of the early internet, she plays this role so well because she’s well practiced in the game, just not on the side people assume.
        When predators hide in the skin of a victim, they can hide in plain sight.

    • lilin

      Except Gjoni was the one who said incredibly stupid things. All Zoe Quinn did was not be a good enough girlfriend for him. And he’s not getting thousands of threats. Thanks for trying, though.

      • Thomas Zell

        She also instigated harassment campaigns against a lot of people, including a non profit organization set up to help women enter the video game industry, and a discussion forum for men suffering from severe depression. This is the reason why so many people dislike her.

        • Exadyne

          “including a non profit organization set up to help women enter the video game industry, ”
          If you’re referring to The Fine Young Capitalists, that’s not what they are, and what she did was point out a transphobic wording in their policies.

          • Thomas Zell

            And is the language of their policies a good reason to instigate a hate mob against them?

          • Exadyne

            “instigate a hate mob against them”
            She didn’t instigate a hate mob. The interested raised against TFYC lead to their site crashing, and the TFYC tried to claim it was a coordinated DoS attack. TFYC not having enough server power to handle a sudden surge in people looking at their site because they’re generating bad publicity isn’t a DoS.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Haha oh man someone still hasn’t fiugured out that TFYC is a crowdfunding venture for Matt’s former company, lol, tho.

          • Thomas Zell

            That doesn’t matter. People for harassing them online for really stupid reasons. This is the type of person that Chelsea Van Valkenberg is. A “social justice warrior”.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “That doesn’t matter.”

            If it doesn’t matter, you’ll stop lying and saying they’re a charity for women in game development, right?

            “stupid reasons”

            If you find transphobia, lying, and harassment not good reasons (of course you do, you’re GG) then okay…

            Also, how is a twitter post saying a policy is wrong and should change harassment?

          • Thomas Zell

            People who disagreed with those policies did engage in online harassment, Chelsea encouraged her to do so.

          • ReallyNotThough

            huh you’d think there would be some kind of evidence to back up the conspiracy shed in this case

          • Thomas Zell
          • ReallyNotThough

            Notably absent from that blog post: any evidence whatsoever of Quinn encouraging harassment and hacking.

    • utera

      She’s a woman, and because these people believe women are more fragile than men, we have to treat them like lesser beings, like children.
      Its like your dog, if he piddles on the carpet you have to forgive and understand, now if your friend did this, you’d just never invite them over again because as a human and probable adult, its not acceptable behavior.
      These sjw’s hold these supposed victims to no standards because they really think very little of them.
      And its even worse because the people they claim as victims are documented manipulators and abusers themselves…

  • PAZ

    Wow! Almost 5000 comments! This is must be a gold mine for the ad revenues! GG people are so prevedible. Just put “Gamergate” in the title and they will come in flocks 😀 The Boston Magazine just hit the Jackpot!

    • Unwan7ed

      Ha! You would think they would realize that by now but nope.

    • snoopy

      If that’s so, why do these faggots keep complaining about adblock then?

    • Jack Layton

      Hay another person against Gamergate!
      Now lets see how long it takes until they realise that we donated over seventy thousand dollars to bring women into games. Or when they remember that the first clash with Zoe Quinn was when she constantly criticized this movement (Fine Young Capitalists) which was basically a big attempt to bring females into the gaming industry.
      Then they might find out that when they mention the how he published her sexual life publicly they will realise that she was taken to court for sleeping with numerous game reviews for undisclosed positive reviews

      • Mr Corrections

        I’m sorry that you have to pretend that you’re not a shitty dude to yourself.

        • Benjamin Stanley

          I am sorry that you need to pretend that you are a tough guy on the internet with all your swearing and cussing.

      • lilin

        “Now lets see how long it takes until they realise that we donated over seventy thousand dollars to bring women into games.”

        Gosh, is that the amount of money that makes it okay to send a woman thousands of death threats, call up her family and threaten them, hack into her friends’ accounts, and discuss strategies to make her kill herself? Is that the amount of money that makes it okay to threaten to shoot up a school if another woman you don’t like speaks there? Good to know.

        You’re on the hatewatch list for the Southern Poverty Law Center. It doesn’t matter if you bring women into gaming, if you’ve already made it clear that if they step out of line you’ll destroy their lives and harass their family for fun.

        • Jack Layton

          let me make this clear… I DO NOT APPROVE OF THE HARRASSMENT BOTH SIDES ARE RECIEVING AND CONSIDER IT BARBARIC. Now that that’s out of the way, let me point out that a. Both sides receive harassment, and b. That is a minority of the GGs, a sick demented minority, but we cant stop them. Because even if GG ends they will insult here and harass her, as inhumane as it is. What do you suggest we do? Its a problem we have tried to neutralize but is impossible to. We try to make it clear we are against harassment but its stupid sites like this and others that tells people we are all white angry male misogynistic rapists.

          • utera

            The fact that quinn is a veteran harasser says it all about what these people are really defending.

          • lilin

            “That is a minority of the GGs, a sick demented minority, but we cant stop them.”

            It’s the guy who started GamerGate who spread the lies and harassment. You aren’t a “movement” that got taken over by a hate group. You joined a hate group. The first thing that GG did was harass Zoe. That happened before anything else.

            You. Joined. A hate group. So stop acting like you’re a victim here because you think it’s okay to join a group of people who send women death threats for fun just because you don’t like the way video games are reviewed. It’s pathetic.

          • Jack Layton

            Let me ask you, have you actually ever attempted to create an unbiased view un the subject? Have you ever looked at it from the otherside? The real creation of GG. You know, the side that is winning. All the information you have is deprived from the media, the people we are attacking. What do you expect to happen? Iy’s propaganda. I have been supporting GG since the start, which was well before this Zoe Quinn Scandal. It started in 2012. It is about ethnics in journalism, and we are winning. Just this year hundreds if sites (e.g. Polygon, Rolling Stones) have *updated* their Ethnic Policy’s, and what was it this was created for again? Ahh yes, that’s right. Ethnics in journalism. You have been getting all of your points from 1 side. Like any idiot who thinks they are on of the good guys, you see a couple of thousand of people harassing femenists, which, no, is not okay. But there are easily over 1 million of us winning this ‘War’ and you guys don’t even know whats actually happening.

          • lilin

            Your assertion that you know more about this subject than I do would be more convincing if you knew how to spell “ethics.” Or “feminists.”

            As for fighting a “war”? That’s pathetic.

            I’m gonna say to you what I say to all you “warriors.” Nobody cares about your problems, because you’re the problem. The fact that you think that thousands of people sending women death threats is worth it because you slightly change Polygon’s disclosure policy regarding independent games, it shows how sad and stupid you are. Yeah, the New York Times is ignoring the fact that a few game review sites slightly changed their policy in favor of reporting on the harassment your group perpetrates. The review policy doesn’t matter to society and your group’s criminal activity does. Boo hoo, the rest of us have our priorities in order.

            And as for the “changes” indicating that you’re “winning”? Even that’s a lie. After Polygon changed its policy, Gamergaters decided that Polygon’s review of Bayonetta 2 was bad because it mentioned sexist aspects of the game. Gamergate then tried to get advertisers to drop Polygon until Polygon reviewed game play and stopped mentioning games as cultural products. I’ll say that again – GG decided that they would use advertising money to force game reviewers not to say what they thought was important about a game. In other words, the exact opposite of ethics in journalism.

            In conclusion.
            1. No, GG doesn’t not support unbiased game reviews. GG has actively tried to introduce bias to game reviews when those reviews weren’t what they wanted.
            2. GG was named and cemented after Zoe Quinn’s harassment, not before. We have the tweet you guys took your name from. I don’t even know why you lie about this.
            3. Even if GG slightly influences policy on a couple of sites, any rational human being can see that “thousands” of people sending criminal threats is more important than Kotaku’s independent gaming policy.
            4. You’re a hate group. A criminal hate group.

          • Jack Layton

            First of all, gotta love that first point. You didn’t spell check so you know little on the subject. 10/10 for trying
            Now can I ask (in reference to your first conclusion) when I said GG doesn’t support unbiased game reviews? I didn’t even know that was as a topic for debate? I talked about the fact websites being biased, and asked if you have looked at it from the other side (As I clearly have seeing as how I read the whole article above [No its not about GG, but it was called ‘Game of Fear’ so you would think its about GG]) which I’m guessing you didn’t.
            Now, I have noticed that you make a lot of big claims. I mean, you literally called us a ‘Criminal Hate Group’ after all. Theres no evidence to back this up, nor have you provided any evidence so far, but whatever. Now, I suppose those who support it would know this, you said I did. And it’s easy to call people who you have never met or heard of misogynists. But what if, keeping in tradition, I am the one who pops that bubble. Do you know who Adam Baldwin is? You know, chuck, independence day, full metal jacket? Yeah… he must be misogynistic too. He did tweet his support for GG back in, what was it? Early 2013? Yeah, it’s easy to call faceless names misogynistic than it is to call esteemed famous actors…
            But after all, he cant be that esteemed if he’s part of a ‘Criminal Hate Group’. I mean, surely the media would have mentioned that somewhere if we really are what they claim we are. So, lets see you back up you constant accusation that we are a hate group. You have consistently claimed that thousands of people have harassed people under that tag (That is unfortunately true) even thought there are over a million others who are against the harassment (Which I might add, happens on bith sides.
            Now, another thing. it is oft claimed that GG is full of whit angry males, Zoe Quinn made that assessment at on stage herself. Now, would you mind googling #NotYourShield? It was when girls, people with different skin tone or people who were not an ‘Angry White Male Nerd’ wanted to say no. When they were sick of the media supposedly speaking to them. I mean, you have told me I’m part of misogynistic hate group, but do you even know me? For all you know I could me female, or even transgender. Sure it says my name is Jack , which is a boys name. But that not my real name, I’m not that stupid. No, ever since some anti-GG found my email and stalked me by definition (Yes both sides have extremists) I use other names. I believe Jack Layton was Canadian Politician.

          • lilin

            Threatening to kill or rape someone is a criminal act. Your group does it. You, yourself, admit this.

            As for “ethics in journalism,” you have not cited a single concrete advance your group has made, and I’ve cited one way your group worked against it.

            Your group is a hate group that commits criminal acts.

          • Jack Layton

            But hang on, by your own standards… those against us (Is there a title fo you guys, lets just call you Anti-GG) is a criminal group. Threats have been made and sent to us, remember that.
            I’ll just put one of the news articles about it here… http://kotaku.com/gamergate-meetup-evacuated-after-apparent-threat-1701761645

            Yeah, 2 of the original spokes men of GG decided to try and uniform us a bit, which would have reduced the amount of threats by making our real goal clear. If they had done this they would have put people ‘in charge’ of GG, and if our goal is really to do what you say it is, that would mean they can be arrested. So clearly that’s not our real goal.

            Now let me point out recently (Like polygon) were both part of the first attack on us, you know, when 12 different articles came out ‘independently’ within the span of 2 days all saying pretty much the same thing, that Gaming was dead. Anyway, they have both updated their ethics policy, check if you don’t believe me

            Now, you are accusing me of not providing evidence, though you yourself have provided practically none

            So lets give evidence of harassment of an innocent bystander mistaken for us… (The Gamersgate Photo[Gamersgate is a website like steam, where you can buy games])

            And evidence of ethics policys changing

            NOTE there are more but ones where it says when it was updated is hard, actually finding places where they admit it is hard, partially because most haven’t change yet.
            Now, I have literally turned your main argument on it’s head and given you 4 individual sources, your turn.

          • lilin

            They were “attacking you” by saying “gaming was dead”? Are you kidding me? That’s an attack – a personal attack – on your GamerGate group?

            And yeah. The criticisms- because to rational people they were criticisms, and not attacks – were independent not “independent.” (Gotta love those gamergate conspiracy implications.) Because when you do something as foul as what gamergate did all sorts of outlets are going to comment on it. A bunch of different sites criticizing gamers when gamers organize death threat campaigns is as much a conspiracy as a bunch of different sites saying Transformers sucked. You did something so big and so bad it that a lot of people commented on it.

          • Jack Layton

            No, that’s a personal attack on this who identify as gamers, saying our hobby is dead. Or at least that’s how I and many other gamers took it. Now, if someone came up to you telling you one of your biggest hobbies, one that some even spend thousand’s of dollars on, was dead. That it was populated with rapists and sexist pig, how would you take it.

            Until these articles, that according to you were because of us, the GG movement was tiny, with even less extremists. How could we have sparked these articles? No, these articles were created because of the horrible treatment of women in gaming and Feminists. As they rightfully should, some of that stuff was horrific. But they approached it horribly, and called all Gamers hateful, misogynistic, white nerds, rapists, racists and many more things. As for the whole conspiracy, well look. It’s your own opinion wether to believe it. I’ll tell you my point of view on it. 14 (double check number and time span between when they were released) gaming magazines/sites (Whose prime audience is gamers presumably) all released very similar articles all saying practically the same message in a span of 3 days. Less than 2 months later Milo Yiannopoulus (Look him up) links emails which show them throwing objectivity out the window and agreeing on what to write about GG. This may seem small, but none of the articles wrote after these emails were classed or listed as OP ED’s, or opinion editorials. Now this is actually a serious offense, as it means they are manipulating what people here and basically lying to them. I don’t quite understand the full implications of this (A friend who does journalism as a course tried explaining but it went over my head) but I gathered it was something bad. So lets recap, 14 articles come out in 3 days saying practically the same and 2 months later evidence appears saying that journalists are going behind consumers backs and deciding what to tell people and what not to tell people. Some of the people included in this chain wrote the articles afore mentioned. And just saying, no I will not provide yet more evidence. I have provided over a million times more than you have, because you have provided none. So are you really going to ask again. I will provide more when you have provided some.

            May I quickly add here, I agree with Anita Sarkesian, one of the first and biggest players on this topic. I don’t agree with her 100%, but I do agree that games CAN be sexist. The extent is debateable, then comes in people saying is that stereotyping and/or sexual appeal rather than sexism, so I stay away from that part now. Just though to save potential time later and say that.

            P.S. Can I make 1 suggestion. I have seen both sides of the argument (else why would I be here) so can you please just watch 1 video. It’s a 60 second summary of GG from our perspective.

            Or there’s a video about Anita Sarkeesian, that doesn’t address the main point, but has more about the media in the second halve, also helpful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoucuL1jazI

          • lilin

            Well, if I “took it” by sending rape threats to women, then I would prove that my hobby was populated by sexist pigs and, at the least, guys who like making women think they’ll be raped.

            So you proved us right on that one.

          • Jack Layton

            Really, out of all I wrote that’s all you took? So are you just going to complain the thing we agree on? We agree that the people who harass and threaten people on either side of the argument. So do you have any actual argument? All you can say is that there are horrible people who use us as an excuse to attack women. Let me put it this way, should I assume that because of the harassment GG people receive all people against us are like that? For god’s sake find another point that doesn’t involve something both sides receive, or accept defeat. Do you have any argument besides a small minority of us are demented? This is something we agree on, and you have no other points?

          • ginmar

            Um, Gamergate is nothing BUT attacking women—–and then whining out constant false equivalency: “Both sides are just as bad! Both sides!” Gators were revealed by their own chat logs, where they advised one another about stealing stock photos to set up fake accounts for #notyourshield and gleefully speculated about the likelihood of Quinn killing herself.

            You guys are a hate movement that gets off on threatening women and then whining about it. You are getting EXACTLY your just deserts.

          • Jack Layton

            Yeah, were a hate movement. Because obviously that +$71000 we donated to fine young Capitalists, a program to get women into game development, was just a hoax. And when Zoe Quinn harassed the program and shut it down the first time, well yeah, we are a hate movement. I’m sorry, but it is only a vocal minority of us who is deranged. And the actual people of GG are being told that they are just ‘Angry white Nerds’, or there misogynistic, or rapists, or any other number of things. You guys are supressing us and removing our identity’s. Hey you know that notyourshield thing that was saying were not all angry white male nerds, yeah that’s fake. We just perfectly photo shopped pictures of other people and make the holding of a piece of paper saying notyoursgsheild and made it loo completely real. Yeah, all those videos of girls on YouTube saying, Hang on, GG is not a misogynistic thing, yeah there all fake as well. Open your eyes, we are not what the media would let you think. Also that whole thing about both sides are just as bad. Gotta love how all those bomb threats made by sadistic fucks against women were given instant media coverage, but not the threats against us. No, hang on, one did just recently. A whole lot of people supporting GG (Including renowned feminist Christina Hoff Sommers) decided to meet up for the first time IRL, but of course the bomb squad was called in and the building was evacuated. Yeah, not got a lot of media coverage that one… But some is enough. All I can say go on YouTube and type up notyourshield, or girls in gamergate or something like that, because those are actual videos by females in GG. So please do your research before making assumptions that what the media says is true

          • ginmar

            …..straight from GGers talking points. Sheesh, complete with Gjonji’s lies about Quinn.

          • Jack Layton

            *Note to future self* So far 95% of anti GG people ignore actual points and just say that were wrong. Not reason or even something telling you which part was wrong… just that were wrong. They also erase identity’s to suite there own purposes

          • lilin

            Again, GG started with harassment and abuse. Specifically the harassment and abuse of Zoe Quinn. It focused on abuse of women. You can say it’s about “ethics in journalism,” but it’s not. It has, at several points, worked against ethics in journalism.

            You may want ethics in journalism, but Gamergate does not. And I’m not going to let you off the hook for joining a hate group just because a small part of it does something you like.

          • Jack Layton

            Now, have we talked about FYC yet? I can’t remember of it was you or somebody else. But basically it was a movement when a software company raised money to bring women into developing games. Now, the first attempt was a failure. See, a female game designer who for an unclassified reason tried to take it down by harassing it and she succeeded. This was the first use of GG. Google it, Gamergate Fine Young Capitalists. We brought it back and raised over £71000. Yeah we raised 110% of the amont. This was the first actual use of GG. Now, after that’s sink in, let me reveal another fact. The person who successfully took down the first attempt and harassed it was none other than… (Drum role please) Zoe Quinn. So, the first clash was when she harassed a movement we supported, one to get more women into gaming. Now, let me directly relate that to your statements. You claim it was created to harass women, specifically Zoe Quinn. No, you have even stated it started with Zoe Quinn. But here is proof it started before the whole ‘Quinspiracy’.

            Now, I am assuming that you ignored EVERY attempt for you to try to look at it from other people side. You know, I could ask you to go on YouTube and type up Gamerate Females, or Females in Gamergate, or something along those lines, but you refuse to listen and loom for any other argument besides you own. I could point out that renowned
            feminist Christina Hoff Sommers is a GG supporter, but that would be ignored. I could once again ask for you to start providing evidence for these claims, but that has been dismissed so many times there no point trying. So I wont, i’ll just wait and watch as your entire argument crumbles around you. I noticed you stopped calling us criminals, yeah, annoying when a minority of people ruin stuff for you, don’t worry, those of us in Gamergate know the feeling…

          • lilin

            Oh, let me fix that. I am still calling you criminals, because you are.

            Oh, and I did google “Gamergate Fine Young Capitalists”. What I got was the wikipedia entry which starts, “After the Gamergate controversy began.” Nice try on trying to make me believe that Gamergate was just an innocent fundraising attempt attacked by the evil Zoe. But yeah, Gamergate was started as a group meant to threaten and harass a her. I checked out your “evidence” and it was bogus. Try again.

            (For the recored, though, yes, I already knew she believed that transwomen were banned from an event, and she was wrong, and that by claiming the wrong thing she fucked the event up. The difference between me and you I don’t have to like Zoe Quinn personally to think that a group created to threaten and spread lies about a woman, a group that debates whether or not they can harass a woman until she kills herself, is a hate group.)

          • Jack Layton

            Okay, I was wrong. I quite frankly surprised it happened after, I though it happened like a year before. I admit it, I was wrong. Now, in the GGinDC meet up would you like to comment on the fact that journalists Lizzy Finnegan, feminist T.V show host Liana Kerzner, or the feminist Christina Hoff Sommers being there and supporting us? If we really are a hate group, why were they there? I’ll just leave you with that little fact…

          • lilin

            Women campaigned against women’s right to vote. Women campaign against women’s right to choose. Fox news has women talking about how equal pay has already happened/doesn’t need to happen, Just because you have a few women who agree with you doesn’t mean you aren’t working against women’s interests.

          • Jack Layton

            Hang on, merely because they support thus movement they are oddballs? Against what the general society is doing for them? Seems a bit harsh. Have you considered that these people might actually believe in what we are trying to accomplish?

            And what about the feminists? Anyway, what about the NotYourShield? It was started by men and women who were sick of the media “Defending them”. Or the RPGMinx? She is a female gamer and a lesbian, 2 of the most harassed groups of modern society, and she supports us.Adam Baldwin (yes him again, but it’s a good example) is a world known actor, he sympathizes with us

            Note, he did support us and was one of us, but after receiving harassment he now classifies himself as merely a sympathizer

          • lilin

            When did I say they were “oddballs”? And what does, “Against what the general society is doing for them, ” even mean? That’s not even a coherent sentence.

            You asked me how some women could support GG if you were anti-woman, and I pointed out that plenty of women have supported anti-woman campaigns. The women campaigning against woman’s suffrage sincerely believed in their cause, and their cause was anti-woman.

            Look, you’re descending into incoherence and you’re clearly not even fully reading my comments before you respond to them.

          • Jack Layton

            Look, in my personal opinion if a WOMEN marching against or protesting against rights that clearly benefit them in an unjust society, then they are either odd or traditionalists. It’s not an irrational jump to make, in fact it is one a lot of people would make, and I apologize if I misread your intentions/words. But history shows us the amount of women in these situations are a LARGE minority, and just on twitter the NotYourShield, it has thousands followers or whatever they are called. And anyway, the NotYourShield was created to say we don’t approve of this and this is not what is really happening, wwe have a voice too (Don’t know why this part is italics), and here you go saying that they don’t prove anything. They did this to get a voice and your dismissing it. Now, let me ask, a Feminist would generally have the best interest of Females at heart right? Interesting that there are feminists in our not so little ‘group’. You could also go onto the fact that we directly supported FYC. I mean, it’s not like that’s direct evidence that we are all not barbaric, and in fact the majority of us are not sadistic. That’s another part of the story the media don’t like mentioning, as it directly suggests we are not what we seem, and that they are greatly stretching the truth. Not a good thing when you remember that we ‘claim’ to be calling for ethics in journalism.

          • lilin

            ” But history shows us the amount of women in these situations are a LARGE minority, and just on twitter the NotYourShield, it has thousands followers or whatever they are called.”

            No, actually it doesn’t. Anti-suffragism groups were, when not explicitly male-only, mostly composed of women. Some were several thousand strong.

            From the anti-suffragism wiki:

            “The Women’s National Anti-Suffrage League, publisher of the Anti-Suffrage Review, submitted a petition to Parliament in 1907 with 87,500 names, but it was rejected by the Petitions Committee of Parliament as “informal”.[1]

            Women Against Feminism has thousands of photos.

            The equal rights amendment has never, ever had the popular majority necessary to get passed, even though it states only that it would be illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex.

            You can look these things up. More importantly, I can look these things up, so I can cite them when you say, without knowing any of the facts, “history shows us the amount of women in these situations are a LARGE minority,” and brag about how NotYourShield has “thousands” of followers and so can’t be wrong.

            I’m getting sick of having you make up facts you’ve clearly never bothered to research. I can see the actions of your group, and telling me that some women have joined in isn’t proving anything.

          • Jack Layton

            Few things, first according to you this is a hate group. So they are supporting and assisting misogyny, kind of odd because that word means we HATE all women, and yet there are women in GG. And before when talking about the suffragettes, 87500 is a tiny fraction of the people who took part in it. Though I couldn’t find the exact numbers for the general world, I know in Australia we had 700000 signed up for it and supporting it in 1920. And at that time we had roughly 5-7 million people. At a bare minimum the suffragettes had a few million people, and 87500 is a measly 8.75%, and I would have at a pinch guessed there more men in that group than women. Even if there were 50% women that’s down to 4.375%, and were still saying that’s for 1 million people, and there were certainly more people than that.
            Anyway, I was then going to bring this around to the FYC, which you have chosen to ignore so far. I was originally going to go into depth into how (upon further research after you pointed out the flaw in my previous believes) we helped it to prove we are not misogynist (Though I have no doubt people were drawn to it to annoy Zoe Quinn) but with exams coming up it’s best to skip to the main point.
            Regardless of the original use of GG which we disagree upon, we need to look at it for what it is being used for today and more importantly which group of GG’s are in the majority. For which ever side of GG has more members will ultimately decide how the group actually acts. And the side of people who are harassing women are clearly in the minority. Unfortunately GG has been used for bad things, by horrible people, but they are a vocal minority. You claim that we are a hate movement but if you look to whatever social media we people occupy you see no sign of what people accuse of us of. If you look at where we dwell (Well, some like 4chan, 8chan e.c.t have barbarians, but then also on those sights there are good people. Remember $5000 was raised on one of the chans. But some of the stuff there *shudders*…) we are not what we are accused of. I have seen both sides of the argument, and I beg you to please allow me to show you even some small pieces or videos with our side of the story.

          • lilin

            “And before when talking about the suffragettes, 87500 is a tiny fraction of the people who took part in it. Though I couldn’t find the exact numbers for the general world, I know in Australia we had 700000 signed up for it and supporting it in 1920.”

            Okay. You are still not getting the point, possibly on purpose.

            We are not discussing absolutely anything related to suffrage. We are discussing how groups can contain women, a large proportion of women, and still be supporting anti-woman goals. There were many groups who were anti-suffrage and contained mostly female members, just as gamergate is anti-woman and still has SOME (but not mostly) female members.

            And I personally know how GG acts. When women are even mildly critical of it, they are harassed, their addresses are put up online, and members of GG set out to hurt their careers not through criticism, but by systematically abusing media systems (flagging every tweet as dangerous or offensive, comment-bombing their entries, or emailing their advertisers many times under many false names in order to complain). That’s how GG acts. It systematically bullies, threatens, and harasses any woman who says anything about it under her real name. You want to tell me you *also* raised five thousand dollars sometime? I don’t care. You want to tell me that you got a couple of websites to change their media policies? I find it pathetic that you think that’s worth all the harassment.

            The best way for the “good people” of gamergate to make the world better is disbanding the movement. Make a new movement if you really think your goals are that important. But if you think we have to tolerate constant threats by the people you *claim* are the minority so you can enjoy better video game reviews – goddamn video game reviews – don’t try to convince me you’re good people.

          • Jack Layton

            As to your intro, you misunderstood my meaning. I was referring the suffragettes because it was your example. Your claim now has no evidence while mine does. Thank my debating teacher for that one. And I know all groups can contain women, but the extent is what was up for debate, and that is something that can only be measured in percentages

            Now I notice you talk a lot about the harassment, and fair enough it is a horrible thing. But let me set a few things straight, I here am the person who is pro GG and I have constantly attempted to apologize for the harassment and made it clear I do not condone it. You who is anti GG have conveniently ignored any mentions or even proof of GG people being harassed. I also saw the part where you say you personally know what happens, then I apologize for whatever happened to you. But it happens to a lot of us, you think Jack Layton is my real name? No I made sure as hell not to use my actual name after someone tracked down my emails and sent me death threats. The original Jack Layton was a Canadian politician.

            Anyway, what do you suggest we do? Even if we take into effect to change GG people will still harass people, they just won’t use us as an excuse. Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn Brianna Wu and countless other people were harassed constantly before GG, but now they have something to unfairly blame. And anyway, the harassers who claim to support GG will be let free. Think about the people who harass us, with no name to rally behind the harassers are ignored by even by their ‘own side’ (It’s safe to say those who harass don’t really care what side wins, they just want to say sickening things) and roam free with no consequence, fully aware that those they are ‘agreeing with’ practically approves of the harassment. Because by not commenting on it and just ignoring it you are just as bad. So as to disbanding it, nothing would get better for the victims. And as you find it pathetic that we are changing ethics and people are getting harassed because of that, I find it pathetic that you are being so hypocritical. In one hand criticising us because of a minority, and then ignoring a minority harass others. Do you not care because it benefits you?

            We have proof that what we are claiming is true. We have evidence that we are infect achieving what we set out to do. What do you guys have? You have a media telling a half arsed story and not addressing the issues they have created. And the actual people of GG who are good far outnumber the number of people who are harassing women or anyone for that matter.

          • ginmar

            Yeah, no.
            I’ve had a gamergator harassing me and other women for MONTHS. He posts shit about at Gamergator central and what do all the “good” Gamergators do? Oh, and for “proof” he links to hate sites and hate groups. He openly urges them to harass me.

            They urge him to get a shotgun and dig a shallow grave. He gives them my name via PM.

            Where ARE all these gamergators, then?

            If what you say were true,

          • Jack Layton

            First of all, I deeply apologize for anybody harassing anyone. Who ever he is he sounds like a barbaric person. I have personally been harassed by anti GG people and am very sympathetic to anyone who has received harassment. But you ask where are the good GG?

            Gee, I wonder if them not coming out has anything to do with you and what you say and repeat. If someone who you have never heard of, and has never heard of you, tells you that you are a misogynistic? People tell us that we are all white angry males. That we are racist, sexist, and anything else that is bad. You guys are removing identities and telling us who we are, so why should we reach out to you? You guys don’t care that we are harassed by anti GG’s, so why should we talk to you? We ar infact being harassed as well. Look at media cites and you will see them aggressively insulting us, the definition of harassment. You say where are the real GG, they are avoiding you because you have already decided that who they really are. You have already decided that you don’t like them. You guys are technically a ‘hate group’ because a minority of you harass us.

          • ginmar

            Gee, thanks for playing. And proving me right. You whine that people are hurting your widdle feewings because despite you guys just having an endless game of bullshit post office, people are mean and cruel to call you misogynists for attacking women.

            And then a woman who’s being attacked by gators in gator headquarters calls you out on it and you respond that it’it’s horribly mean to call attacking women misogynist. I can see with my own eyes the guy linking to hate sites and hate groups and all his friends heartily approving of these horrible people…..but you just don’t think so.

            You’re done. And I think most people feel the same about the pathetic levels of denial with you guys. When you’you’re asked you can blame yourself .

            And, you dumb motherfucker, you’re the KKK here, not the NAACP, bit based on your idiotic comment, you think they’re identical “hate movements.”

          • Jack Layton

            What reply did you read? I openly expressed sorrow at the harassment. You twisted and warped every word I said. However, just because a sick demented minority used us as an excuse to attack women. Just as a sick demented minority has used anti GG to attack people. The people using GG to harass far outnumber the people who use anti GG to harass people, but its the same damn concept.
            Now, would you ever so kindly comment on the fact that there are women in GG? Or will you conveniently ignore that fact like you have ignored the fact that there are FEMENISTS IN GG! Yeah, nice little fact that one is. Ignore that fact, I dare you.

          • ginmar

            ……i must have missed the vague sentiments with the usual bullshit about gg that’s long since disproven.

            Women in GG? And even if that were true to any extent (the chatlog destroyed that excuse) explain to me how that make terrorism against women okay?

          • Jack Layton

            Women in a group of ‘terrorists’ doesn’t make it okay. However if we are a misogynist group we would hate ALL women, even those in GG, see the problem?

          • lilin

            Your debating teacher would be facepalming. Your argument isn’t even coherent, let alone backed by evidence. You make vague claims and reference vague numbers and cite that as evidence against some sort of claim. When you talk about percentages, what are you even trying to prove? Are you saying the majority of feminists are for gamergate? All I’m saying is that a group that is anti-women can contain thousands of women, just like gamergate claims it does. And I’m right.

            As for what you should do, I suggest in future you think twice before you join a criminal hate movement and try to convince the world that “it’s actually about ethics in journalism.” I suggest you disband your side of gamergate so the guys who choose to threaten women don’t have cover.

            As for “my side,” I’m not anti-Gamergate. I’m anti hate group, and I don’t feel the need to apologize for that, no matter how much you whine about how bad the media is treating you just because you joined a group that was formed when a bitter ex-boyfriend decided to get people to send death threats to his former girlfriend.

          • Jack Layton

            First, so if you re against hate groups, then why are you pro the ‘anti GG’ group. They encourage the discrimination of GG, so are hate group.

            And as to your intro, I have clearly stated that yes, you proved that all different people of all different ethnics can join all groups, like how women join GG, which in your eyes is a sexist ate group. But these women are practically always a minority, and the suffragettes thing showed the women in the group was a minority, strengthening my point.
            Anyway, I noticed a few things. One, after all that about how you anti GG people wont acknowledge that we are harassed to, you ignore it. You proved my point. I also notice that you don’t care to comment on how a misogynistic (Defines as Hates ALL women) has female members, surely we would harass them too? I also saw no reply to the part of our group that include feminists… yeah, kinda hard to defend against that little fact.
            Can I just also point out that I had personally never heard the name of Eron Gjoni until this website. I knew he existed sure, but he never seemed to be that interesting. Infact, didn’t he say he is no longer part of GG, might be wrong with that part

          • lilin

            “But these women are practically always a minority, and the suffragettes thing showed the women in the group was a minority, strengthening my point.”

            This is incoherent. What point of yours does this strengthen?

            “First, so if you re against hate groups, then why are you pro the ‘anti GG’ group. They encourage the discrimination of GG, so are hate group.”

            This is again verging on incoherence. What is “The Anti GG Group”? How do they “encourage the discrimination of GG”?

            “I also notice that you don’t care to comment on how a misogynistic (Defines as Hates ALL women) has female members, surely we would harass them too?”

            Oh god. Are we seriously back at this again? Telling women they shouldn’t have the right to vote is misogynistic. Groups that did that have women members.

            “Can I just also point out that I had personally never heard the name of Eron Gjoni until this website.”

            So you tell me that you’re too ignorant to know the name, and you’ve been lecturing me about not knowing enough about Gamergate?

            This is so typical. You don’t know anything about the group, and you’ve spent the past week explaining to me that I don’t know about the group, bungling the dates on when incidents occurred,and giving me facts that, when I google them, turn out to be wrong. But clearly I just don’t know as much as you do about Gamergate.

          • Jack Layton

            Once again you are ignoring the part about FEMENISTS IN GG and the charity where we donated to bring WOMEN BACK INTO GAME DESIGNING. And nice job with the patchwork reconstruction of my argument, with anybody else that would work. But it was my argument so I know what was really said. I particularly liked the part when I said I had never heard his name to having never heard of him. A+ for that part, why you could fool people with the media any day.

            Now, ignoring that first part cause you are now just claiming to not understand it because you lost that point, I realised that you have changed your view. All across this thread we have constantly referred to the anti GG, and now coincidently that it can suit you have no idea what I mean. And as to ‘how do they encourage the discrimination of GG?’, well you can’t be that blind. Accusing over a million people of being sexist rapists misogynistic and all those other nasty names will clearly encourage discrimination against these people. It’s common sense.

            Now, yes we are back at the misogynist thing. Let me put it clearly for you so you can comprehend it. Misogyny means hates women. A misogynisti group logicall hate women. Voting against women having power (Which you brought up, not me), is sexist. It does not mean you hate women, capiche? And in a logical manor a group which HATES ALL WOMEN cannot have women in it without compromising the goal idea of the group. It’s that simple. A misogynistic group cant have women in it because that would mean they would hate the women in there group and try to kick them out. Now, a few more things. 1, you still have not acknowledged that people harass and threaten GG, which is hard to deny. I mean, one of the bomb threats was in the news. And 2, I asked a friend (FYI, she’s a girl) and she gave me some links,
            http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/editorials/12224-The-Official-Ethics-Policy-of-The-Escapist

            https://www.crowdrise.com/gamergatestompsoutbullying/fundraiser/loping

            http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/01/gamergate-igns-code-of-ethics-is-now-public/

            http://www.eurogamer.net/policies.php?view=how-we-work

            http://www.polygon.com/forums/meta/2014/8/26/6071669/on-patreon-support
            There are a few nice pieces in there. One about how Polygon is saying that the person who spent so much time insulting us and was the first to label us a misogynistic hate group was not speaking for them, and they did not necessarily share his views. Well actually it’s about Patron sponsors, but that’s how it intros. Basically calling him out and confirming what we accused the media of doing. There’s one about a charity company stopping cyber bullying, which was largely founded by GG. And the others are just general knowledge of what we are achieving. I must admit, I was surprised we had even got IGN to agree with us, I mean, there like one of the biggest game review company’s out there. And we had enough influence to get them to change for the better.

          • ginmar

            Yeah, no. Christ, what are you, 12? A bunch of gamerhole saying the same shit is not proof.

            And you’re one of those guys who thinks if you don’t actually hate EVERY single wom as n you can’t be a woman hater.

          • Jack Layton

            “hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women”
            *Note against Women, not certain women.
            And why is being 12 considered an insult? No I’m not 12 but I sure do miss being 12 with no real cares

          • lilin

            Nope, you’re wrong. I literally don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. And, one more time, it’s fucking FEMINISTS. WITH AN “I”. But please go back to telling me how educated you are about this. You’re so convincing.

            And now there are “a million” people in GG? Seriously?

            As for “discrimination,” it’s not discrimination to point out that you joined a group meant to harass women because you would like video games to be reviewed differently. Which is what you did. I’m not impressed that you can partially found a charity to combat a problem you started.

          • Jack Layton

            Look, I have given so much evidence that we are not a hate group. You have been reduced to calling me out because I misspelt feminists once, and repeating the same thing while providing no evidence. I have provided numerous links to back me up, but if you refuse to acknowledge when you have lost then just say it. Because although at first it was fun to continuously prove you wrong, it gets tiresome. And its hard to prove you wrong when you merely ignore my points . When I said feminists wrong you pointed it out, meaning you had read the part about how there are feminists in GG. You have reached the point of ignoring arguments that you don’t like. And yes there are over 1 million of us, I said this ages ago but you ignored it as you didn’t like that little fact. Just as the fact that so many websites are changing their policy’s. That in itself is evidence that a large amount (at very least over 75%) of us are really aiming for what we claim to be.

          • lilin

            You said there are a million, but you’ve said a lot of stuff that isn’t true. Remember your claims about how GG started? The ones that turned out to be bullshit?

            The other things you’ve said – how many suffrage connected people are in Australia – you’ve said so badly that I really don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.

            As for there being some feminists in your group, you won’t impress me with a roster, both because I know a lot of feminists who have both spoken out against your group, and because I know women who have been harassed by your group. If there are feminists in your group, they’re as wrong to have joined a hate group as you are.
            I know your group was formed to harass one woman, and expanded to harassing a lot of women. It’s a hate group. It’s pathetic that you think changing the policy at a video game site or two should outweigh criminal harassment. I think you need to keep reading articles like this just to keep you in touch with the real world. We don’t care about how you prefer your video game reviews. We care that you join a group that sends out death threats to women.

          • Jack Layton

            Okay, there may have been a problem with the first reply, so I will make redo it.

            Tell me, if it is a hate group, why did the heads of it meet in public and publically broadcast it? If you claims are true they should have been arrested, but the only reason the police went there was to inform them and protect them from a potential bomb threat. The GGinDC meeting disproves so many claims.

            Anyway, on a tangent here, what do you think of this http://womenactionmedia.org/tw

            It’s a repot on the harassment. No it does not deny that it exists, it looks at the connection the harassers have to GG. And unlike the media it actually shows the research and resources. The results were unsurprising for me, and probably for you too. But if pretending you are fighting a harassment group helps you sleep, then we can pretend you actually are surprised.

            What about IFMA award shows? It’s mainly and indie games award show, and was shown to openly have corruption. Coincidence that not long after w start attacking corruption in media this arises.

            And I’m afraid I was wrong again, no there’s not 1 million people. Current figures I don’t know but of October last year we had 1.6 million. (See below picture)

            Now, lets look at notyourshield. Let me summarise what has happened so far in this thread. I ask you about not your shield, you claim it is fake and Photoshop (Might have been someone else but pretty sure it was you). I point out the Photoshop would have to be amazing and that there are too many photos of it, and you then claim that there opinion doesn’t mean anything. Now, notyourshield was created when people were sick of the media ‘talking’ for them. It was made so they could speak there mind and say what they believed mattered. You then basically say that the notyourshield created so they could speak out and prove the media wrong, yeah what they believe doesn’t matter. Oh well, at least your not erasing identity’s like the media.

            Noiw can you please start providing ome evidence to back your claims

          • lilin

            I’ve just been on vacation and come back to this. Ugh.

            “Tell me, if it is a hate group, why did the heads of it meet in public and publically broadcast it? If you claims are true they should have been arrested”

            Nope. You don’t get arrested for heading a hate group. Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group. (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/westboro-baptist-church)
            Everyone knows who they are, and nobody is arresting them. It’s not illegal to be part of a hate group.

            Look, we’re not going to agree.

          • Jack Layton

            I’d ask about how your holiday was but i would then get hundreds of msg’s from ‘social justice warriors’ about how I’m a stalker because i am part of GG. Really the moment when i got called a misogynistic terrorist by s social justice warrior for asking them not to harass a person who, looking back at the thread, had merely stated there are two sides to every story was when i lost faith in social justice groups.

            This argument is getting out of hand, when the American Federal Trade Commission updates their affiliate links (A unique link provided to affiliates to promote an online service that is then used to credit sale commissions to the affiliate) and explicitly says GG is the cause, then Brianna Wu, a key figure in this argument (Who has admitted to creating fake accounts to harass her) goes to a feminist website and an article is published, criticizing the FBI for not acting on the threats she has received. She is then called out and admits she never actually submitted these reports to the FBI. Surely that indicates that there may actually be another side to this. I would also like to point out that no GG supporter has been implicated in serious harassment claims, while some of GG opposition have.

            Look, at this point neither can convince the other, but one thing has to be established before this internet argument is dropped anywhere. 1, the media has unfairly treated gamers. The censorship and ‘gamers are dead’ articles are enough to drive that point home. 2, that BOTH sides have people on them who threaten and harass people, who find it amusing to attack others. The problem of misogyny and harassment cannot be pinned on a single side. It doesn’t matter if somebody is pro or con GG, for or against Anita Sarkesian, they don’t deserve to be harassed (Unless they harass people, then the lines get blurry and some say it okay)

          • lilin

            1. The media has created thousands of journals, websites, and promotion platforms for gamers to discuss their games, promote their games, review their games, and read reviews of their games. It has created and covered conventions around gaming. Even the Wall Street Journal has video game reviews. If a few articles about how the game identity is changing make you feel treated unfairly, try to grow a thicker skin.

            2. Both sides have engaged in harassment, one side was created to engage in harassment.

            As for your Brianna Wu mess.

            “Wu told me her staff had filed a complaint with authorities in Ohio, but it appears it went to the wrong agency. She successfully reached the intake desk at the office of Columbus City Attorney Rick Pfeifferon Friday and submitted her evidence.”

            http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2015/05/gamergate-in-columbus-threat-reports-initially.html

            Also, she never said she didn’t report it to the FBI. Even Breitbart merely said that the local prosecutor did not get a report from the FBI, not that the FBI didn’t get a report.

            (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/23/ohio-attorney-brianna-wu-wasted-time-and-resources-over-gamergate/)

            Let’s get this straight. Even if you don’t believe she made the reports, she never “admitted” that she didn’t submit them. That never happened. If you think it did, think about why you believe that.

          • Jack Layton

            Well why am i not surprised. The GGer, who is supposed to be the ‘baddie’ tries calling a truce. The anti GGer, who is supposedly the ‘goodie’ or the victim ignores the olive branch, the white flag. Do i have to point out anymore than that? I mean, we have donated money to feminism, we have feminists within our ranks, and the American Federal Trade Union changes because of what we have revealed. You have no ground to stand on and yet you are trying to. A FEMINIST organisation comes out with facts and debunks the idea that we are misogynistic. How much more could you need? I have constantly stated how i disprove about the harassment, to put it mildly, and when i ask if you will recognize we receive it as well you ignore me, countless times. Surely the fact that no GGs have been implicated in serious harassment claims and some anti GGer’s have points to the truth of the matter

          • lilin

            I’d say you’re perfectly in line with Gamergate. You declare that you’re the victim. You back your argument up with “facts” that aren’t true, but that just happen to attack a woman in gaming. When I tell you that they’re not true, and provide evidence that your facts aren’t true, you ignore that you just smeared a woman in gaming with lies, complain that I haven’t accepted your “truce,” and declare yourself the victim again.

            Do you realize how manipulative that is? “LET’S SETTLE THIS! WE’LL JUST AGREE THAT GAMERS ARE UNDER ATTACK, THAT EVERYONE HARASSES EVERYONE, AND THAT BRIANNA WU IS A FUCKING LIAR! . . . . WHAT? WHY AREN’T YOU ACCEPTING MY GENEROUS OFFER OF TRUCE? YOU’RE SO MEAN! POOR ME!”

            If that’s what you call “extending an olive branch” don’t even participate in peace talks.

          • Jack Layton

            Right, so you take my words and warp them into nonsense, much like the journalists, but If your annoyed about Brianna Wu, lets talk. So, ” She successfully reached the intake desk at the office of Columbus City Attorney Rick Pfeifferon Friday and submitted her evidence.” First, how do you make that mistake, i mean, most company’s i know introduce with ‘hi, my name is *** from ***, how can i help you.’. And she admitted she sent her report to this Rick Pfeifferon, who is not FBI, simple as that.

            Now lets have you reply to some of mu questions like i just did to yours. Tell me why a feminist website (Women Action Media) would run a test that shows the amount of harassment msg connected to GG. It showed that 12% or 12 of the 100 threats they randomly surveyed. Or Newsweek, they showed that out of 5000 GG related tweets 257 harassment tweets were sent by anti GG, while roughly (cant remember exact number)19 harassment tweets were from pro GG’s.

            And yes, i do back my arguments up with facts, what does the media back there arguments with? They cherry pick tweets, just like you cherry pick what to disagree with.

            Now, on a side note, i have been looking at Vivian James (Video Games) and her counterpart Lillian Wood (Literally Who). Its interesting because Vivian James, the one created by pro GG feminist group FCY is very against the stereotype. She is not designed to be attractive, and has a darker color pallet. She generally is not grinning to appeal to people and is often coupled with NotYourShield (Remember that thing you tried to dismiss and debunk). Lillan James however, is blonde, stereo typically beautiful (not my words) and white with blue eyes, pretty. I find it amusing and that it reflects the argument. GG is against stereotype, e.g. we are not all angry white nerds. Anti GG is pro stereotype, or at least pro stereotype when it suits them ‘is made up of white angry nerds’.

          • lilin

            “And she admitted she sent her report to this Rick Pfeifferon, who is not FBI, simple as that.”

            Um. No. That’s not even remotely right. And since you’re naming the person, you should want to get this right.

            1. She claimed that she submitted reports with both the FBI and her local police. The police say that they don’t have the reports. Supposedly the reports went to the wrong agency. The *police* say that the FBI didn’t contact them. The FBI says nothing.

            2. The quote refers to the fact Brianna re-submitted (or, if you think she was lying, submitted) the original police reports to Rick Pfeiffer, who is the City Attorney.

            3.You claimed that she “admitted” that she made up submitting reports to the FBI. (“She is then called out and admits she never actually submitted these reports to the FBI.”) She didn’t admit that. Not once. Not anywhere. You’ve just spread lies about her. And now you’re demanding I explain myself to you. You are Gamergate. You took a woman you didn’t like, you named her, and you published a serious lie about her. Proud of yourself?

            I guess, in the end, I should thank you for proving that this is exactly what your movement does. I won’t reply any more to your messages. It’s clear that you just make things up, and I’m not going to spend the rest of my life fact-checking the fake shit you throw out on the internet. Seriously, though, shame on you for claiming that a woman you named admitted to making up reports when she didn’t. You may think that she’s lying, but *you* definitely lied. That’s her real name, do you get that? You put a woman’s real name down and claimed she did something that she never did.

          • Jack Layton

            Damn, so you use my quote and ‘misunderstand it’. You read “She is then called out and admits she never actually submitted these reports to the FBI” to “She is then called out and admits she never actually submitted these reports”. notice the ‘to the FBI’ part?

            So, did you ignore the paragraphs after that? All that evidence that you can’t fight so in typical fashion you ignore it. I also find it extremely ironic that you say i claimed somebody to be something they aren’t, when you claimed possibly over 2 million people to be part of a misogynist hate group. Admit the media is wrong, and stop ignoring the facts that are right in front of you. I have given you the same facts so many times and every time you fail to acknowledge their existence. Then you say you have had enough, decide to ignore this thread so you can ignore this damning evidence.

          • hams

            Oh damn, I had no idea boston magazine was such an important gaming journalist. it must be that they’re afraid you’re going to blow the lid off of all of their toy reviews.

          • Jack Layton

            Except, that boston magazine didn’t write this, not the company that is. A freelance journalist wrote this, and where do you think he got his information from hmmm? I have given you a fraction of the story from our perspective and all ready the only complaint you have is saying umm, well boston doesn’t write game stuff so yeah. And anyway, I was talking about GG as a whole. I only looked at this article for another perspective of GG (I unlike you am trying to keep an larger view on the subject by looking at both sides), this artile was called ‘Game of Fear’ so I was quite surprised that it was on Zoe Quinn actually. I thought after her 3rd attempt to take her ex (Can’t remember his name) to court to sue him failed and the best she could land was a restraining order. But I suppose the media wouldn’t include that part.

          • hams

            She hasn’t sued, she’s just had to go back multiple times because he kept violating the restraining order. How do you not even know that? He admits to the restraining/gag order.

            Sounds like the author got his information from Eragon himself. I mean it’s all there. I pointed out the non-gaming nature of the paper because ya’ll are goin apeshit over games journalism, but this has literally nothing to do with it. It doesn’t even address any of the journalism stuff in any detail. So it seems odd that you’re all here commenting on it.

            Over and over “well you’re blind to the other side of the story” nope. I’ve read everything ya’ll have put in front of me and it’s all painfully weak. Back in high school football if you made a weak tackle during practice they called it an MPOC. You say you’ve got hard hitting evidence, but all I’m hearing is a Mouse Pissing On Cotton.

            Ya’ll make such shitty excuses “well I thought this would be about gaming journalism, then i saw it clearly wasn’t, then I read the whole thing, then I took to the comments section to talk about pretty much anything BUT gaming journalism. (mainly ZQ who you all swear you don’t care about)

            One more thing, it’s really funny that Egon complains about this article being taken out of context when the exact same thing can (and should) be said about his masters thesis about hurt feelings.

          • Jack Layton

            Hmmm even when you claim to have read both sides and seen our ‘Mouse Pissing On Cotton’ arguments, you don’t actually address them. You just go, aww yeah, there really weak and stuff. And even if we have weak evidence, the same weak evidence that used in a few court cases the media wont mention as it weakens there point, what do you have? Is there any evidence for anything we are denying? Yes, harassment is taking place, and that is wrong on so many levels, but we admit that. Tell me, what evidence do you have. It must be pretty good if the evidence we sucsessfully used to sue game reviewers is ‘Mouse Pissing on Cotton’, so what is it? Where is it?

        • Norm Hull

          I really don’t like breaking Godwin’s Law 1800s Editon but the “raising money for women in gaming” argument just reeks of Neo-Confederates reminding everyone that blacks fought for the South.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “we donated over seventy thousand dollars to bring women into games”

        Actually you donated that money to fund a mostly male development studio called Autobotika.

        Well, I mean, you donated it to have a stupid talking point, and because TFYC lied about Quinn for you, but let’s charitably say that you at least just wanted to be part of an obvious scam.

        • Jack Layton

          First off, gotta love that instant assumption that because Autobotika is a technology company its mainy male. Great thing for a Zoe Quinn fan to say…

          “because TFYC lied about Quinn for you”

          Now let me pull up a quote of hers about FYC (Fine Young Capitals) “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH FUCK You approach the panel of Fine Young Capitals ‘SO TELL US ABOUT YOUR GENITALS!!

          Now let me just slip this link under table

          http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/95913-the-fine-young-capitalists-game-jam

          Although it does clip some of the tweets together making those parts unreliable you can pause the video on the tweets and read them yourself, where do you think I got the quote from?

    • Michael Lindsay

      Checked out a Ghazi article on this. GG are using Do Not Link services to steer ad revenue away from Boston Magazine but shooting themselves in the foot by flocking to the comment section.
      Not the sharpest tools in the shed!

  • David

    Here is a blog post from Eron Gjoni talking about the lies written this article. He posts emails between Zachary Jason and himself to prove Jason lied and misrepresented him in this article. He also posts a copy of an email a female friend in game dev sent to Jason as Jason asked to interview Eron’s friends about him as well. The woman in the email corroborates Eron’s story and even mentions asking people who knew her and that he was not alone in being manipulated by her.

    http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

    There is a part 2 as well.

    http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117729753311/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-2

    So we have Eron, three women, and TFYC all coming out and talking about their experiences with ZQ. All painting similar portraits of her character, saying she either lies, manipulates, or uses people. How many people who knew her are going to have to come out about her before people believe that she’s a liar and manipulator?

    • snoopy

      None of this matters. The Internet Hate Machine® will grind zoe into pieces. She has that misfortune of having “victim” written all over her and thought it was a good idea to make a name for herself on the Internet in the most forward and arrogant way possible. Well, live and learn. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

      • utera

        Its more that she lacks talent, and as a hipster bandwagoner, her time playing the damsel will be over soon because as much as white knights claim to be motivated by moral righteousness, it tends to be more base than that, they don’t do it for old women.

        The problem with anti gg is that they built their narrative on lies, and 8 months of lies is hard to keep straight, their position is untenable.

    • lilin

      Eron? You mean the guy who got a bunch of his friends to send rape and death threats to his ex? The guy who implied she slept around for editorial favor when she didn’t?

      I don’t understand. Why would he lie? Why would his friends lie? It’s a mystery.

      • Andrea Porzio

        you’re being racist against a 1st generation albanian immigrant. check your american privilege.

        • Mr Corrections

          Oh hey – fuck off.

          • Andrea Porzio

            as a transgender transethnic black lesbian woman I see you are clearly harassing with your racist and misogynistic hatred.

          • Mr Corrections

            Hmmm I see. Fuck off with your lame bullshit.

          • Michael Lindsay

            As the Emperor of the Galaxy I find your spiel entirely feasible.

        • Michael Lindsay

          And a Gator plays the victim card again to avoid responsibility! drink

      • utera

        Eron, you mean the sjw/radical feminist?

        She did sleep around for editorial favor.

        http://pastebin.com/ADdpRQRx

        And why would a woman with 2 sets of fake names, and a record of underhanded dealings undermining people with false accusations from before gamergate to the one which started gamergate, to multiple incidents after gamergate started…sorry no, if we’re going to talk credibility here, Zoe has none.

        • lilin

          “2 sets of fake names”

          You’re posting under a fake name now, and you’re posting lies, which counts as “underhanded dealings,” so I wouldn’t really throw stones.

          Except your kind doesn’t throw stones, they hand out rape threats. Seriously, you’re an embarrassment.

      • David

        I never saw him call for his friends to send rape and death threats to his ex. You’re going to have to prove that.

        Even if you think Eron’s a liar, there are still other people who have come out about her who don’t know Eron or are friends with her. At some point you have to acknowledge that all these different people may be telling the truth.

        • lilin

          I don’t think Eron’s a liar. I think he’s a terrible person, lies being included in that fact. And you know what? The court system agrees with me. But keep trying. Keep acting like a bunch of people who have been lying on this thread (Zoe’s a rapist! Zoe slept with a guy for a review!) aren’t liars and criminals.

  • http://twitter.com/fannygirdle Fangride

    So you’re telling me an article with a line such as this in it:

    “in response to such games as Grand Theft Auto, which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

    holds any merit at all? Good god, reading this makes it seem like no research beyond what they were briefly told by one side was put into it. Failure in journalism. Again.

    • RhiAnimal

      Apart from the extensive interviews with the “other” party. Yes, sure. -10 for reading comprehension.

      • utera

        Extensive “interviews” can be just extensive printing of lies. http://pastebin.com/YrC5ThwJ the reality of the situation is frankly not reflected by this article, nor the countless others which have already pushed out that “poor zoe” angle for 8 months now.

        • RhiAnimal

          In that case, why trust anything written by anyone?

          Any text can be a lie. If you approach the matter from that perspective, then you have to be entirely objective. That includes not supporting the Gamergate ‘heroes’ or any accounts of Quinn’s behaviour.

          Otherwise you are just cherrypicking. Pardon me, though, if I choose to trust an accredited journalist over an ex with a grudge.

    • Shocker

      I know, it’s risible eh. I never heard of Boston Mag before. This has set the standard.

  • Jodie Mae

    Remember guys, in the world of feminism, a woman can rape you, cheat on you and abuse you and she’ll still be the victim.

    • Mr Corrections

      And you’ll still be fucking garbage.

      • Andrea Porzio

        you shouldn’t harrass women, you oppressive shitlord

        • Mr Corrections

          Fuck off.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Treat people with respect yo.

          • Mr Corrections

            You can fuck off too, dimwit.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Honestly I think you are living proof of what Gamergate and Anti-gamergate has have to go through on a daily basis.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t actually care what morons think.

            I hope that helps!

        • Michael Lindsay

          We should have a drinking game where every time a Gamergater shouts “no U” when they cop criticism…

          …nah-alcohol poisoning is a bad thing!

    • lilin

      Just to make it clear to anyone reading these ridiculous lies – Quinn didn’t rape anyone.

      The Gamergaters say she once said that cheating is like rape, and then claim she cheated on Gjoni, and therefore claim she’s a rapist.

      Which is a stupid, obvious lie, but since when does the truth matter to people who pick a woman they don’t like and send her death threats for sport?

      • Jack Layton

        First, the ‘Zoe raped someone’ is new to me and utter bullshit. Second, she slept with gaming press to get good reviews. Third, the harassment she is receiving is NOT OKAY.

        • Mr Corrections

          Good news! The second sentence you just said was utter bullshit!

          • Benjamin Stanley

            > Try not to be a credulous shithead in future.

            No U.

            Seriously Bro – You are being a “Shithead” yourself. Just by speaking to others in the comments.

          • Mr Corrections

            Wrong.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            What is wrong or do you just not agree with my “Opinion”.

          • NastyNinja

            Hey, cuntface! Have you slept yet?

          • Exadyne

            “Hey, c**tface! Have you slept yet?”
            With words like that, I can really see how it is about ethics in game journalism and not at all about misogyny.

          • NastyNinja

            There is no ethics in games journalism anymore so why not just take the piss out of smug idiots who like to play victim for money? It’s fun watching your ideology burn :)

          • Mr Corrections

            I have! Have you reached a double-digits IQ yet? (No)

          • NastyNinja

            Have you stopped putting things inside your butt that shouldn’t be there? (NO)

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow. I feel bad for insulting you, now, if that’s the best you can do.

          • NastyNinja

            Yah….I could never top ….”you have a low IQ”

          • hams

            You’re not wrong

          • NastyNinja

            About you liking dongs…inserted into your mouth with tongs down in Hong Kong every time they bang a gong?

            Of course I know this fact.

          • hams

            Way to double down!

          • NastyNinja

            Just trying to keep the crown….when dealing with you assclowns that pound obese round mounds 😉

          • hams

            Your persistence astounds

        • lilin

          “Second, she slept with gaming press to get good reviews.”

          Find me the review.

          Let me give you a hint on that – the “review” doesn’t exist. But good on you for repeating the lie. The fact that it’s demonstrably incorrect – because the fucking review doesn’t exist – makes it easy to show that gamergate is a hate group.

          • Jack Layton

            Hmmm, yeah you know, even though the reviewers accuse admitted to reviewing the game and posting a review while saying the ‘bribery’ didn’t happen they must have been wrong and the reviews obviously didn’t exist

          • utera

            Actually he’s just mistaken. http://pastebin.com/YrC5ThwJ
            As Internet Aristocrat said in his first video, she had relations with people for favorable coverage, not reviews at that point, it had not got that far yet.
            Anti GG loves to beat this strawman, its partially their own doing because they have pushed out so much disinformation and suppressed so much discussion that people can’t even get the story straight even after 8 months, which tells you something.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know it’s not a strawman if there’s a GG right here arguing that exact point, right?

            Also, sex for any kind of coverage never happened, time being linear and all.

            Maybe if GG lied less people wouldn’t keep saying they’re lying all the time.

          • lilin

            I love how you are replying on a thread on which a GamerGaters claimed she slept with a guy for reviews and then claiming that it’s a “strawman” that GamerGaters claim she slept with a guy for reviews.

            You expect me to take your word for anything? Even when you are looking at the evidence that GG is spreading lies, you claim they’re not spreading lies. It’s sad, but it makes it clear to anyone looking at your movement that you’re an irrational hate group.

      • NastyNinja

        How dare you not respect zoe’s definition of rape. If zoe said what she did is rape, then it is. Please don’t mansplain further as it is problematic and perpetuates women’s lack of agency. Fight the patriarchy!

    • RhiAnimal

      Er, what?

      • Mr Corrections

        It’s about Ethics In Gaming Journalism!

        • Benjamin Stanley

          No it is about Mr. Corrections threatening to send people death threats and rape threats while refusing to answer what a “Rape Apologist” is.

          But wait there is more!

          While being bombarded with evidence of favorable coverage and the Zoe Post.

          But if you order in the next five minutes!

          Mr. Corrections will cuss you out and tell you how much of a shitlord you are.

          • hams

            Hey I’ll do that for free.

            Your little crusade has no value to society and will be forgotten like the back pimple that it is. You’re a shitsucking garbage bag full of cumsocks.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Hey Hams –

            So.. Gamergate has been going on for about 9 months now I think. Could be 8 months. It is not going away any time soon.

            If anything it is getting stronger in terms of momentum and the amount of people.

            A Sad but inconvenient truth.

            Also got a question for you. What are your thoughts about minorities and women in tech or any other field for that matter?

            Do you think it should be on Merit or based on Gender?

          • hams

            Don’t deflect babyboy. The media at large doesn’t give a shit about the whole ‘ethics’ side. People are paying attention to the sexism that’s so prevalent in one of the fastest growing entertainment mediums, and they’re paying attention to the people who are defending that sexism. (you)

            Nobody cares about the ethics in games, just like nobody cares about product placement in movies, cell phone companies giving free phones in exchange for reviews, etc etc.

            You’re a fringe group and nobody cares except for people who want to profit off of you and other fringe groups (who let’s be honest also want to profit from you)

            Nobody in GG has even a fraction of the name recognition that some of their victims do.

      • Michael Lindsay

        GamerGaters are calling Zoe a rapist because she slept with blokes who weren’t her boyfriend in their on again off again relationship. This is rape…somehow.

        • RhiAnimal

          I know. I was whutting at the stupidity.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s quite…whuttable.

            Most things GG spout generally are.

        • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

          It’s because of a paper that Zoe Quinn even helped write… that they called it rape.

          Don’t recall the exact wording, but it was some sort of weird relationship agreement kind of deal, where it laid out that a person that is sleeping with other people and/or being dishonest about their involvements and get you into bed under false pretenses is guilty of rape. Reason they attributed it to feminism, was because Quinn actually wrote it in trying to strengthen and bolster feminist standards.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well, as I said to another GG fan not so long ago – if you think that definition is ridiculous, why use it?

          • Insanelyasinine

            Pretty much using your logic against you type reasoning. It’s like when people use the stereotypical christian reasoning. “If you believe in love you are a christian.” and turning it on them by saying if you believe in “lust you believe in Slaanesh.” It gets a point across that it’s faulty reasoning.

          • Michael Lindsay

            GG followers here are calling someone who didn’t rape anyone a rapist. What’s distinctly missing is “we don’t actually mean this person forced anybody else to have sex-we are using their previous utterances against them in a way intended to evoke humor”.
            As an accusation of someone of a serious crime is a mite bit more serious than a “joke” I’d say said caveat is absolutely in order.

          • utera

            You are going in circles to ignore the fact you don’t have an argument, people are simply calling her on her own hypocrisy, because what she did by her own definition was rape.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      You’re a moody 14 year old nerd lashing out at women cause they rightfully find you repulsive

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      now, that’s feminism in the mind of a moody 14 year old nerd who can’t get a date, right?

    • Norm Hull

      no

  • RhiAnimal

    Rather scary that apparently people believe that the assumption that Quinn “lied and manipulated” somehow justifies the utter relentless shitstorm she has faced.

    • utera

      http://pastebin.com/YrC5ThwJ

      No, the reality of the situation is rather different than that.

      • RhiAnimal

        No, the reality of the situation is that a bunch of people decided issuing death and rape threats was okay. It isn’t.

  • PAZ

    Advice to the kids: If the person you’re dating says “Eron Gjoni was fully justified in making the Zoe Post” leave the relationship immediately.

  • PAZ

    Incredible the GamerGate obsession about Eron Gjoni. But perhaps it’s understandable. I mean, his story is so full of ethics in game journalism.

    • utera

      Understanding the Zoepost Pt 1 | Shifting Blame & Responsibility
      sdoctmdplays

      [TW] Understanding the Zoepost Pt 2 | Withholding & Abuse
      sdoctmdplays

      Obsession? Most people know very little about him, even anti’s rarely acknowledge he’s a radical feminist and a sjw…. inconvenient facts…

      • PAZ

        And so full of YouTube videos!

        Really, GameGators can’t type???

        • Insanelyasinine

          What is other mediums for 20.

  • Andrea Porzio

    I see a lot of hatred against a 1st generation albanian immigrant by people blindly partial to a privileged irish american woman.

    • Michael Lindsay

      I see someone pulling out complete horse dung to distract justifiable criticism away from a stalker!

    • Mr Corrections

      This is gross.

    • PAZ

      BWAWAWAWAWAWAAWA!!!

      I’m sorry but it’s obviously a conspiracy of the lizard people.

    • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

      Oh man… she’s Irish!? I thought she was German or Russian or something… her real last name has a hint of one or the other to it I thought. Dammit… now I feel ashamed to call myself Irish… was bad enough I had to be in the same collective of “gamers” as her… ugh. -_-

  • Andrea Porzio

    I tried to play Depression Quest but my 1500$ AMD Radeon graphic card can’t handle the high requirements of such a graphically complex game.
    now I understand why it won so many accolades and raving reviews.

    • Mr Corrections

      Zany. You are sure proving something or other.

      • Benjamin Stanley

        This is what people on twitter have been saying for the last 8 months.

        Pro Tip: never ever go to twitter…

      • Insanelyasinine

        That trolling is a art.

        • PAZ

          There are artists. And there is Andrea Porzio.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Yeah he’s doing a wonderful job of derailing. and here we are taking the bait.

      • Andrea Porzio

        you hateful replies sure are gonna giving me PSTD.

    • Michael Lindsay

      1500$ AMD Radeon graphic compensating for something here.

      • Andrea Porzio

        I’m indeed paraplegic, you ableist shitlord

        • Mr Corrections

          It’s embarrassing that, not only did you post this, but that it’s the best you can do. What a sorry state of affairs.

        • Michael Lindsay

          And you bragging about your huge throbbing computer has what to do with being a paraplegic again?

          • Insanelyasinine

            That you’re being trolled by someone who doesn’t have a 1500$ graphics card as a joke on how Depression Quest doesn’t even require graphics while throwing in Tumblr sayings , For example “shitlord.” I mean dudes fucking around. Trolling for the sake of trolling. I’d think that’ll be obvious.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Do you what you do to jokes when you explain them like that? You’re hurting jokes-stoppit.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Czech your CIS white male privilege. See what I did there I made a pun 😛

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh godddddd….

          • Benjamin Stanley

            The sad thing is people say this regularly on a daily basis welcome to Social Justice, Safe spaces, and Gender Neutral Bathrooms.

            The future is going to be worse than this mark my words.

          • Insanelyasinine

            [enter hilarious greentext story by /pol/ here.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            You having a giggle m8

          • Insanelyasinine

            Yeeeee

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh man you had to spoil a genuinely funny moment there. I know the dreaded SJWs stole all the games with boobies and gore and there aren’t any single gender bathrooms anywhere. Also the sky is falling.

          • hams

            yo that’s a homonym dude, not a pun. I thought you guys were supposed to be logic/comedy supercomputers.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Check your English privilege.

          • hams

            BEEP BOOP ERROR DETECTED, DEPLOY TIRED MEME

          • Insanelyasinine

            No. You’re feeding the troll. Thus facilitating it’s existence. Giving reason for it to come back and continue derailing the conversation.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You think if I left the trolls alone in this article they’d go away?
            The article is about Gamergate-trolls are inevitable!

          • Insanelyasinine

            No shit trolls coming to any thread is inevitable. Stop reacting to them they’ll get bored and leave. Can’t find a local lolcow on to the next website get bored and leave. Look at CWC A.K.A. Christian Weston Chandler, A.K.A. Chris-Chan

          • Michael Lindsay

            They’ll go away when the next outragey non issue demands all of their opinions on some poor message thread and not before!

          • Insanelyasinine

            Of course and with every non-issue there will be a lolcow stupid enough to take their bait.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            To be perfectly honest, Michael Lindsay has been doing a decent amount of trolling of their own. When one considers that trolling is stating something in such a way that it’s meant to get a rise out of people… some of their replies could be examples pinned under the dictionary definition. ^_^

          • Insanelyasinine

            You actually got a point mate.

          • utera

            Its funny how these people who think we’re the ones who are socially handicapped are themselves unable to parse simple social cues in posts to ascertain intent for a reasonable reaction. Its no wonder they take all criticism as threats….

          • Insanelyasinine

            Their not really socially handicapped more like social media being so vast and extensive. Some people, funny enough, don’t even know what tumblr is and honestly I’m glad they don’t.

          • hams

            BEEP BOOP I AM A COMPUTER BZZT [AMUSED] IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THESE HUMANS ARE BZZT INCAPABLE OF RATIONAL THOUGHT BZZT [MOCKING] YOU WILL NEVER BE AS SMART AS THE SUPERIOR ROBOT GAMERS BZZT

          • Andrea Porzio

            it’s hard to sleep with game critics to get favourable reviews for your game when you are paraplegic.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Lucky that nobody else seems to be doing that either then!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Lying less might help your cause more, know what I’m saying?

          • hams

            yeah it’s definitely not your personality getting in the way..

    • Brandon Z

      Are you bashing her game because it isn’t as computationally demanding as The Witcher 3 or something? What’s your point, exactly? That the only games deserving of industry awards utilize modern visual tech?

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Uhm… it’s not like Depression Quest is cutting-edge or revolutionary in any way whatsoever… even for what it does, it’s rather lack-luster. Even Roberta Williams’ “Mystery House” was far more cutting-edge, and that released in 1980… 35 years ago. Think the point and question is… with all the many other indy titles out there, how in the hell did Depression Quest get all the awards and backing that it did exactly!?

      • Benjamin Stanley

        He is bashing it because it is shit and as a person with actual depression (me) I wanted to off myself within the first 15 minutes of me playing it. Games weather they be table top or Video games are meant to be an escape.

        I am not lying – That game made me feel worse about my depression and spun me into a severe depressive state.

        If Boston Magazine wants to do a story on depression quest or just depression in general. I would be more than happy to oblige them

        • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

          Very well said… I honestly don’t see how she’s getting awards for that game, when at best it can be called meddling. It’s always said that nobody should attempt to give acute advice to those with depression unless they have the credentials and/or degree to do so. In the real world, if a person gives somebody with severe depression the wrong advice, and the person does harm to themselves or worse, the person giving the advice could be held massively liable. Yet, Quinn publishes a game focusing on just that, encourages those with depression to try it… and when it actually makes them feel worse… she’s given awards instead… wtf!?

        • hams

          What did you think would happen? Nobody made you play it. If you’re struggling with depression, seek out therapy or a psychiatrist, not a videogame you dolt.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Could not afford a psychiatrist. YAY for being poor!

          • hams

            That sucks but I hardly see how a videogame is to blame lol, maybe you need more help than you think.

  • Andrea Porzio

    I read that the source code for Depression Quest is the new benchmark for programming complexity according to the MIT

    • Michael Lindsay

      I read that GamerGaters didn’t care about Zoe Quinn so much they called her “literally who”.

      Then I read this article.

      • Insanelyasinine

        That was about Brianna Wu.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Nope, that’s LW2 in Gator speak if I’m not mistaken.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Nevermind just figured it out. Anita, Zoe and Brianna are all Literally who. It’s interchangeable.

          • hams

            Yeah I get the impression that’s how GG feels about women in general.

      • utera

        Yea, you read an article by who? A gamergate person or yet another article mindlessly defending her by another “journo” blogger who is a repeat of the hundreds of others out there saying the same things, who can’t stop talking about her? Oh yea, her defenders…

        • Michael Lindsay

          So – “Literally Who” didn’t mean this person isn’t important enough to talk about?
          I guess that’s coming from you and if you’re a Gamergater that makes you an original source.
          Kind of what I suspected tbh, Literally Who actually means GamerGate fans literally can’t shut up about her!

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Well, that’s ironic… I’ve been following GamerGate from the start… and GamerGate hasn’t said jack about her in months, probably not since a couple weeks to a month after. Only thing worth mentioning about her anymore is what a crock and crime it is that she’s still making money hand over fist for her BS and BS so-called “game”. The focus had been on GameJournosPro, or even the recent Honey Badger Brigade prejudice at the Calgary Expo recently. Another partial focus btw, was that fake rape that happened at a Virginia campus? Believe it was Virginia… the one where Rolling Stone ran with it, and pushed it to press ASAP… come to find out that NOTHING in the woman’s story lined up at all… and the weekend she claimed she was raped in the frat-house, there was no gatherings in the frat-house at all because nobody was even there (the big controversy was journalism/journalists rushing it to press before fact-checking anything the woman said… causing it to be libelous, and defemation of character).

            Didn’t hear about any of that either? Hrm… who exactly is only focusing on Quinn again? Yeah, that’s what I thought. Pot calling black kettle, come in kettle.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Uh huh.
            That’s why you’re all swarming this article yeah?

          • Insanelyasinine

            They’re swarming the Article because it mentions gamergate. Any mention of gamergate will be seen. Like when republicans mention gays. It’ll be seen and it’ll be scrutinized.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Yup, as I replied to them… I did a Google search on “GamerGate News”… assumed when I saw Quinn mentioned it was Google being dumb again and showing me matches from a year ago… turns out the article is two days old… so I’m still a tad baffled, lol. xD

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Honest truth, I did a Google search on “Gamergate News”, to see what was new with GamerGate, saw this article come up as the first match… can try it yourself and see. When I first saw it mentioning Quinn, I thought, “that must be a year old right?”… turns out, it’s two days old, and STILL trying to claim that Quinn was the only reason for GamerGate… I then decided to check the comments. If it helps, did the same search a few days ago and saw the big deal with Wil Wheaton’s wife “tricking” GamerGaters into donating to Feminist Frequency.

            But that’s why you only go on about Quinn right? Uh huh… also, if you don’t like GamerGate, nor follow GamerGate, how can you actually claim to know that the ONLY thing GamerGaters talk about is Quinn?

          • utera

            If we were swarming, you’d drown son. You know this from every op in the past where you lost, this article didn’t merit enough attention to get more than a few people to actually come post This is called pointless drama shitposting in GG, some people do it against their better judgement, but its not endorsed, which is why you haven’t been flooded with replies.
            Its funny how you undermine your own narrative, gamergate is supposed to be scary swarm which just dog piles anyone to death, yet, we don’t see that here do we, we just see a few gg people arguing against some ghazi die hards because frankly, what else do you have to do, you can’t dig on corruption, because you are defending it, you have no productive operations at all..

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            “every op” LMAO you literally all are a bunch of sociopathic nerds playing at “war” because you get off on feeling your fighting for some “cause” in this case the noble cause of terrorizing women over videogames lolol your mothers should of just bought you gi joes or something

          • Insanelyasinine

            Don’t you know that is a male power fantasy exhibiting a form of toxic masculinity and violence.

          • Aubrey Zeitgeist

            The GGers swarm every article they’re mentioned in. Every news outlet, every blog post, every time they see themselves in a Google Alert, they’re right there astroturfing with misinformation and linking to blogs they pass off as being news sources.

            History will not be kind to the Gamergaters. There is a wealth of evidence about their true motivations through public court records and well-researched journalistic articles. They’re trying to change their reputation but anyone with an ounce of sense knows they’re really trying to have it both ways — to be seen as the rational and just ones, while they deliberately drive women out of the field, and stay silent about the death threats, except for a few tepid words in comment threads like this, just for the sake of PR.

            Their strategy hasn’t worked particularly well; the primary people who “like” their comments or post in agreement are their buddies already, and they’re not recruiting more members. Even with Gamergate’s recent alliance with noted fascist Theodore Beale to help sink this year’s Hugo Awards, they haven’t garnered any support or new members. They were used. And that’s all they’re good for, is being used by people even WORSE than they are.

            It’s sad, but they’ll never admit it.

          • hams

            you’re still talking about her

          • utera

            No, as Internet Aristocrat said in his first video, in the first third of it, she’s irrelevant, yes the big man himself dismissed her out of hand 8 months ago, but you wouldn’t know that, or care.
            But since your side literally has no substantive argument to make, you have to hang damsel strawman out there to hide behind.

          • hams

            but you’re still talking about her

  • Andrea Porzio

    maybe it’s to much gaming that made me a violent misogynist, Anita said so: more gaming = more muhsoggyknee

  • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

    Still not sure why after so many months, and so many revisits to the foundation, the idea is *still* that GamerGate was started by Zoe Quinn’s sex-life. What led to GamerGate was years in the making… so many issues with other journalism, and other dealings in the games media/industry. Even Angry Joe (who oddly has now changed his stance) used to gripe as far back as a couple years ago, pointing out that games journalists were being invited to, and fully paid and covered, to attend award shows… award shows where the bill was floated by game developer and publishers… the same developers and publishers those journalists would later review, and Angry Joe would even point out that it’s hard to remain partial when the people you’re reviewing are the ones floating your bill and tossing money your way. There’s been several other instances besides that. The Zoe Quinn issue was just the match that lit the growing fuse… and NOT because of her sex life… nobody cares… I know I don’t.

    But because, even if a lot of it may have been fake, it again highlighted the possibility that she might have slept her way to awards, to opportunities, etc. Or at the very least, certain friendships might have caused unfair reviews, accolades, and movements in the industry. I mean seriously, the ONLY claim to fame she has, is Depression Quest, which let’s be honest… it’s not like it’s breaking any new grounds, or doing anything revolutionary… even for what it does, it’s lack-luster at best. Yet somehow Depression Quest won tons of awards? How exactly did that happen!?

    Even Roberta Williams’ original game “Mystery House” was more cutting edge than Depression Quest… and Mystery House came out in 1980… and that was 35 years ago. And still even now, Zoe Quinn is one of the biggest headlines in the gaming industry… still getting tons of Patreon support, and other finances from the industry… how? Seriously… the ONLY thing she has to claim is Depression Quest… if anything that should be more of a blemish on an “artist’s” record than a pro. Take a close look… this here, Ms. Quinn, is what a “professional victim” looks like. Just search around… it’s not like her ex was the only one that had strange circumstances with her… perhaps looks up the one photographer that admits she had probably the worst professional experience dealing with Ms. Quinn.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah-that’s why the hashtag was started by that washed up Firefly actor and the first post linked to a “burgers and fries” video referencing Quinn.
      Gamergate does historical revisionism with more fervor than David Irving, at least the events he’s trying to gloss over are 7 decades and not nine months old!

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        If you did your research, Baldwin even said it rooted back to the controversy that she may have slept her way to the top and/or manipulated the gaming-industry… as well as the journalism that backed it. So yeah, that’s why. Stop trying to twist the narrative into some poor professional-victim story.

        Also, great job at ignoring the entirety of the rest of my post and only focusing on the aspects of Quinn… AGAIN. (Like inadvertently not only proving points, but making them slam dunk, often? xD)

        • jhp151

          Wikipedia represents the view point of the people who edit the pages making it unreliable for any controversial topic.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Wiki wasn’t mentioned in this post bud.

          • jhp151

            Zombie Tech wrote” This is even listed in wikipedia under “Gamergate controversy…” to which I responded: Wikipedia represents the view point of the people who edit the pages making it unreliable for any controversial topic.

          • Insanelyasinine

            I looked at his post. I can’t find that. He could have edited it but I can’t find it right now.

          • jhp151

            No Worries. I still see it in the first line of the second paragraph. If your reading from the Discuss link triggered from the reply notification (red dot) you get what looks like a cache of the discuss comments and not the whole thing.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Just reloaded page.

          • utera

            Its noted by an arstechnica article a few years ago that ad block was damaging the internet, in a rather insidious way, because smarter or at the very least more tech savvy people use ad block, so what sites rake in the revenue? Sites catering to the unsophisticated and small children Which kind of says it all about the click bait feminism we’ve seen over the last few years, they are aiming really low to make money, and the problem with that is this new form of standard free low media becomes the source material for wikipedia, which in turn becomes the source for the mainstream media, and then we have a full circle of corruption.

          • hams

            LOL ‘adblock caused the rise of feminism’

            Do you read what you write? Is a dog barking next door and you’re just trying to transcribe it??

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Btw, LOL, speaking of “glossing over”, you seem to be doing a lot of it yourself. I even pointed out an exact reference to a male pointing out the crookedness up to a couple years ago… but glossed right over it straight to it only being about Quinn… haha… pot calling black kettle, come in kettle. #iWinYouLose

      • Jodie Mae

        “Quinspiracy” and “Burgers And Fries” were just puns. If you actually watch the videos, the focus is mostly on the journos who were under scrutiny for acting unethical.

        • utera

          In fact, quinn named herself the quinnspiracy, so the idea that this was nefarious or revealing of anything just shows how selectively humorless these people are.

          • hams

            I think you’ve got it backwards. Ya’ll are some of the most bitter humorless troglodytes I’ve ever had the pleasure of winding up like a little cymbal monkey.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          Maybe take your lessons on ethical behavior from someone who isn’t utter trash?

      • jhp151

        Adam Baldwin has had a steady career since FireFly. You can check his imdb page if your truly interested but it is clear he is successful working actor.

        • Insanelyasinine

          He’s also a voice in a Diverse game called S.T.E.A.M.

      • utera

        Its notable that all you have is personal attacks, “washed up actor”? He’s certainly done more notable things than quinn. And frankly no one cares who started the hashtag, other than ghazi people who need an angle to attack, and since they have no substantive arguments, they have to go after peoples politics.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “He’s certainly done more notable things than quinn.”

          Well, that time he accused Obama of wanting ebola to come to the states was “notable”….

      • Vincent DuDouze

        The true is… Streisand Effect !

        GamerGate really started when Zoe Quinn tried to removed every links to the Zoe Post. So people thought “there must be something huge here. Why so many people are trying to push all the BS about misogyny when someone is talking about ethics in journalism”

        https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*hvdgJWUeNiL-8I-JZhA4rw.jpeg

        The Zoe Post : 16 August
        9 articles about “gamers are dead” : 28 August

        Now think again : is GamerGate about Zoe or ethics ?

        • utera

          Basically Zoe is Archduke Ferdinand if he had shot himself to gain sympathy, leading to a world war.

          • Calloway McSmithing

            “We don’t care about Zoe,” he said while continuing to comment on an article about Zoe several days later.

          • GP

            It’s almost like those “Gamers are Dead” articles were written in the wake of the ZoePost or something?…

          • Insanelyasinine

            But you know the media is never wrong or never lie.

          • GP

            Where is the lie?

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            your nerds yelling at women anonymously, you’re not rambo dipshit

          • ReallyNotThough

            Quinn definitely didn’t call her parents with rape threats, try lying less

          • Vincent DuDouze

            Non, Zoë is nobody. She has done nothing that worth one article.
            And that’s the problem : stop bringing back her to interview while she has nothing to say.
            She only exists through HER claims of being harassed.
            Stop feeding that troll !

        • ReallyNotThough

          If you don’t want people to feel sorry for her, stop helping her abuser stalk and harass her.

      • GP

        Wow, this section got weird after I went to sleep….Good job these guys come off as loony conspiracy theorists/revisionists…
        I love how they can keep trying to revise the history of this as FREEZE PEACH/EFFICS when everything is on the internet for people to see…

    • utera

      Quite literally their only counter argument is to claim they are protecting a poor damsel, its why they fixate on this woman, who is frankly as abusive as anything they are complaining about.

      http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2015/04/zoe-quinn-lied-about-me-in-front-of-congress.html#comment-6a00d8341bf6e653ef01bb08265388970d

    • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

      Other great examples that way pre-dated the Quinn issue was the whole Duke Nukem Forever blow up… where a reviewer gave it a bad review… and the PR person came out and lashed them to hell and back, said publically that they were on a blacklist, and would no longer receive future review copies, etc.

      And of course we can’t forget the whole GameJournosPro mailing-list that came to light… where they were emailing back and forth, and proven to be doing so… making coordinated articles… like the whole idea of “gamers are dead”, several in the same day, coincidentally right after the Quinn thing to “gloss over” the issues. Along with other coordinated articles and actions.

      Then there’s all the twitter feeds of some gaming journalists that bad-mouth and talk down about gamers as a whole… helping to perpetuate ideas that gamers are sub-human and live in dark/smelly basements, etc.

  • Daniel tune

    Even though I am disgusted at this whole gamer gate bullshit, I’m also a bit annoyed that this article portrays video games as entirely sexist, catering only to 14 year old boys. This, as any resaonable who has ever had any video game console. It may have been true perhaps 15 years ago, but we now have a much variety of games, for all kinds of people. All this being said, there is still plenty of progress to be made.

    • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

      I can completely feel where you’re coming from… honestly, I’d probably have ignored GamerGate as well… as I usually do with hashtag-movements. But even more honestly, the fact that articles like this can keep coming out by professional journalistic outlets… constantly saying that all gamers are entirely sexist, that it only caters to teenage boys… as well as claiming that women on the GamerGate side are just sock-puppet accounts, while they themselves have proven otherwise… is exactly why GamerGate still has momentum and is still a thing. The mere fact that professional journalism can get away with what it does. I even see it in mainstream journalism and think there needs to be a #NewsGate as well, but that’s another topic I suppose.

      The simple fact that gaming journalism can now get away with taking giant dumps on its key consumer demographics, and still claim it’s “cool news”, is exactly why the consumer-movement of GamerGate exists. I mean, I don’t recall them ever changing the slogan of “the customer is always right”, to, “the customer is always a sexist, teenage, misogynistic over-privileged, white, cis-male, @$$hole”. xD

      • Daniel tune

        I just wish we could all get along.

        And losing the misogyny bullshit from the whole movement would be good to

        • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

          Very much agreed… most on the GamerGate side that are all-inclusive (I can’t say all, because just like in any movement or crowd there’s always bad apples, derailers, haters, and those that actually don’t represent the movement, but are just there to be the “jesters” of sorts)… pretty much trying to stick to the ideal old-school ways of gaming, where it was about the games. Many women on the GamerGate side have spoken up to say that GamerGate isn’t misogynistic and they are fully allowed and welcomed. It’s why #NotYourShield came to be… because the anti-GG side would have people believe that either the whole of GG or perhaps gamers as a whole… were all white, over-privileged, sexist males… when the NotYourShield movement said, “hey look, I’m a man, and I’m not white, and I’m a gamer”, or, “hey look, I’m a woman, not a man, and I’m a gamer”. ^_^

          I mean, honestly, and anti-GG side would have people believe that GamerGate hate women… when just a week or so ago, the Honey Badger Brigade got kicked and banned from the Calgary Expo, simply for having posters with GamerGate logos on them… and they’re a majority female. Then alter when they were trying to have a friendly picnic in a local public park… the expo, at the behest of anti-GG haters, called the police and sicked them on the Honey Badger Brigrade… again, the anti-GG harassing women… while claiming that all GG hate all women. xD

          • Daniel tune

            Just for the record, I don’t identify as GGer, I’m kinda on team neutral/ please leave innocent people out of this.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Just be careful about that. Some neutrals get attacked from both sides due to “Us vs. them” mentality. Some side does it more then others. Not going to tell you which because you have a mind of your own and you can think of it for yourself.

          • Daniel tune

            Good advice. I just sort of want nothing to do with it but also want to get my views across on certain points, and this made me feel like saying something, which has since evolved into this whole discussion.

          • Insanelyasinine

            It happens mate.

          • Bobby

            Thanks for keeping it real Daniel. Hope you found what you were looking for. :)

          • utera

            Notable ‘neutral” stephanie aka sushi lulu has written a slew of articles on ship2block20, and she’s been severely harassed by anti gg, but its all been documented, and even more peversely, those people…randi harper being the prime one are claiming they have the righ to run an anti abuse initiative. http://pastebin.com/yzi5SrcP when in fact they are “experts” at abuse.

          • Norm Hull

            Not your shield is a shield against people calling you sexist. Women can be a part of sexism against women. Men can be victims of sexism as well. Alot of feminists will freely admit that and do talk about it.

            GG doesn’t have to be sexist but so much of it is associated with people who are clearly anti-feminist like Thunderf00t. He couldn’t just reply with simple disagreement with Anita, he had to start railing against feminism itself as if it’s one unified theory. Then starts throwing accusations that Anita is making everything up.

            Others felt the same way and/or reacted strongly to Eron’s story, believing everything he said and nothing Zoe said. It seems that most if not all of the female victims of threats are making it all up or exaggerating it.

            There are some valid points in Gamergate but it is lost in the threats, juvenile memes, and blatantly sexist comments.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Uhhh, yeah, because “Anita” who doesn’t allow comments whatsoever, ever replies directly to anybody? Or even has a conversation with anything besides an echo-chamber? o.O

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get that there’s no law that you have to allow comments on a Youtube channel, right?

            If you don’t like what Anita has to say a strong move would be to not watch her videos.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Hahaha, I never claimed that there was a law… I was countering what they said with: “He couldn’t just reply with simple disagreement with Anita, he had to start railing against feminism itself”… my point was she can’t ever reply to anybody directly, but has to rail against all gamers and GamerGate instead.

            PS – If you don’t like what Thunderf00t has to say, a strong move would be to not watch his videos.

            (See how easily things can be rectified if you only take a moment to take advantage of your own advice?)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He couldn’t just reply with simple disagreement with Anita,”

            Yes, he could. He could disagree with her on his own youtube channel. Thousands have already.

            “If you don’t like what Thunderf00t has to say, a strong move would be to not watch his videos.”

            I don’t. Why the hell would I?

            Doesn’t make his anti-feminism, or that of his followers, any less stupid, though.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Uhhh… “”If you don’t like what Thunderf00t has to say, a strong move would be to not watch his videos.” I don’t. Why the hell would I?” — Yet, you would assume that I regularly watch “Anita”‘s videos? Why the hell would I? Only reason I know what I do is because gaming-journalism is always shover her and her ilk down our throats… everytime I turn around she’s in gaming news again.

            When you say, “yes he could, he could disagree with her on his youtube channel”, not only did he do that, that was a quote from Norm Hull. o.O

            But again, to spin what you said at the bottom there, “doesn’t make her (“Anita”‘s) neo-feminism, or that of her followers, any less stupid, though.

            PS – I’m all for equality of all genders, races, beliefs, etc… all for equal pay and equal opportunity… always have been, but I will NOT hop on board the latest neo-feminism train… where they can’t stop blaming all of the worlds problems on EVERY white male for being over-privileged s***lords. Want true feminism and what feminism SHOULD be? Check out Christina Hoff Summers… someone that can be unbiased enough to see both sides of the coin. (For all the privilege I’m supposedly supposed to be privileged to, I’m still waiting for it to show up…)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Yet, you would assume that I regularly watch “Anita”‘s videos?”

            Because GG is obsessed with her to the point of insanity?

            “Only reason I know what I do is because gaming-journalism is always shover her and her ilk down our throats.”

            Probably would be a strong move to not read articles about her, then.

          • Norm Hull

            Well now she doesn’t after the comments got way out of line. A ton of youtube users block the comments section since they almost always devolve into trolling garbage. Not as many youtube users get newsgrounds games made of them getting beaten up.

        • utera

          Again, what misogyny are we to lose? This is the insidious nature of the smear, its like saying, “when did you stop beating your wife”.

          Which btw illustrates the problem with the narrative that society is that sexist against women, because that wouldn’t be much of a charge if there weren’t such harsh sanction on anyone even accused of harming women.

          This is the problem, and its something they’ve abused.

          Remember Jullian Assange? What did they do when they needed to discredit him, yes, they accused him of being a rapist, now, it doesn’t matter if he’s guilty or innocent, it doesn’t matter how screwed up swedish or whatever law is, he’s smeared by the accusation, and trapped and people don’t take him seriously anymore, this is why its used, and why its so dangerous that people are unaware.

          • Insanelyasinine

            We get small flashes of misogyny but like a good group GG calls it out if it isn’t a troll or someone bribed to say stupid shit.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            then they’ve completely failed to get that across except in the minds of their sociopathic 14 year old nerd supporters

          • Insanelyasinine

            Cool story bro

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please indicate where you called out Milo for writing a misogynist hit piece and calling a mob against Shanley Kane.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Didn’t hear about that till now. Can you provide a source for me? [You make a claim you prove it.]

          • ReallyNotThough
        • hams

          I think you’re right, and I think it’s worth noting that certain people started jumping all over you for insinuating that misogyny exists and is bad.

      • Bobby

        The very reason I’m on the GG side is because of this lie.

        I first read that some women were harassed by gamers so I was like wow a*holes.

        Then over and over I read that all gamers are privileged white cismale 14 year olds who live with their moms and couldn’t stop laughing at the absurdity of it. Like who would believe that?

        It was so ridiculous, I did some digging and discovered the truth.

        Then 1st hand experience showed me that GG’ers were reasonable people with a clear agenda (ethics mainly) while those attacking GG were just full of hate and lies. Over and over I watch aGG and SJWs hate on GG yet claim GG is doing the hate. It’s hilarious really.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “Then over and over I read that all gamers are privileged white cismale 14 year olds who live with their moms and couldn’t stop laughing at the absurdity of it.”

          You know that not a single article said this, right?

          Only GG keeps saying it.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Oh really? Examples… all you have to do is Google search “gamers are privileged”…

            http://www.polygon.com/2014/4/23/5640678/playing-with-privilege-the-invisible-benefits-of-gaming-while-male

            http://kotaku.com/5868595/nerds-and-male-privilege

            (That last one is by Anita Sarkeesian herself… HAHAHAHA, better luck next time there kid.)

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get how none of these say that all gamers are men, right? They actually say the opposite, that many women also game.

            Stop lying for 10 minutes and see if it feels better.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Not lying at all… you get that the TITLE showing right on that video link, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU… actually says, and you can read it slowly with me… INVISIBLE… BENEFITS… OF… GAMING… WHILE… MALE.

            Since your original statement was: “You know that not a single article said this, right?“… I give proof of it, and you try to duck around it claiming it doesn’t say that. It’s like when the “gamers are dead” type articles came out, and the best defense was, “none of them said that verbatim“… even though the overall message was that the idea of “gamer” was no more.

            Stop lying and denying.

            From Polygon article: “This phenomenon is often referred to as Male Privilege. The term may sound a little bit like academic jargon, but it’s useful in helping describe the set of unearned advantages men automatically receive, and which women do not given the same social circumstances. As in the rest of society, male privilege can manifest in both overt and subtle ways inside gaming culture.

            From Kotaku article: (Which has an image right at the top that says, “It’s a man’s world“) “MALE PRIVILEGE: WHAT IS IT, EXACTLY?

            I don’t think I’m breaking any news or blowing minds when I point out that geek culture as a whole is predominantly male. Not to say that women aren’t making huge inroads in science fiction/fantasy fandom, gaming, anime and comics… but it’s still a very male culture. As such, it caters to the predominantly male audience that makes it up. This, in turn leads to the phenomenon known as male privilege: the idea that men – most often straight, white men – as a whole, get certain privileges and status because of their gender.
            (Which also starts off in the article talking about, and I quote this part: “one mouth-breathing troglodyte” to refer to a single perverted male gamer.)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “INVISIBLE… BENEFITS… OF… GAMING… WHILE… MALE.”

            Yes. You get how nowhere in that title is it saying that all gamers are male, right?

            In fact, the whole premise is the way that women who game are treated worse.

            Look, if I said “having sex while male”, that would not be the same as saying that only men have sex.

            “As such, it caters to the predominantly male audience that makes it up.”

            You understand that this right here is assuming that many gamers are not male, right?

            How did reading comprehension sink to this low a point?

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Hahaha… obviously you have no reading comprehension of what you even say… hater, liar, denier, etc. You said, and I quote: “You know that not a single article said this, right?” — when they actually say JUST that, of which I gave PROOF, and you STILL deny it, ROFLMBO… but go ahead and keep living in denial land… can’t expect much more from your lack of intelligence I guess. ^_^

          • ReallyNotThough

            “when they actually say JUST that,”

            Please indicate where they say that all gamers are straight male 14 year olds. This was the original point I was disputing, if you can remember that far back.

            You actually showed them saying the opposite, that many gamers are not this stereotype.

            Look, when a video says the exact opposite of what you’re claiming, your movement might not have much of a point.

            “last thing they want is the gaming industry shoving in their face,”

            As a male gamer, I really, truly, don’t GAF. Find something real to worry about.

            “gee, I wonder why our profits are going down”

            Um, most of these outlets are doing great. Kotaku’s regained all its advertisers and has 50% more readers than before this whole kerfuffle.

            No-one but manchildren trying to retroactively justify domestic abuse are actually upset by any of this, you realize.

    • utera

      They have to, because that is the only way they can rationalize that a huge group of gamers rose up against them and said no.

      http://pastebin.com/MQ1xBVN2

      Its their entire narrative, games don’t have to be about fun anymore, and anything guys like..is wrong, and if girls like it, they have internalized misogyny. Really its all about people who want to control others, and if they have to do it through social shaming, that’s what they will do, even if the charges are false, its a technique which has worked for religion for centuries now. If I can control what society thinks of you, if you are a heretic or a believer, then I control society. That is the dangerous mentality of these people who have been slandering gamergate.
      I just will direct you to the last few tags gamergate has taken over to show what gamers have actually done, #stopwebh8, #SPJEthicsweek, and #areyoublocked

  • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

    As has been seen through the comments, and in GamerGate news… GamerGate keeps moving onto other topics, voicing their concerns and bolstering the movement… when it’s the anti-GG side (as seen in this article), that every few weeks or few months attempt to make it all about Quinn. It’s the anti-GG that can’t stop talking about her or let Quinn go… the pro-GG side have long since moved on, to be perfectly and bluntly honest. But hey, I guess you have to keep Quinn/Sarkeesian/Wu alive and well, as victims, in order for them to continue being cash-cows for themselves and journalism, aye? ^_^

    • utera

      Its really all they have at this point, or frankly ever. Its the a woman was harassed, shut down all critical faculties!!
      The number of “poor quinn” articles out there has been incredible, but Milo called it last year with the article on why journalists just can’t stop writing about her sex life…
      Its just notable how GG has grown even while being massively suppressed, and how small ghazi really is.
      They are going at this 110% while GG basically ignored this article and they still can’t do much.
      It comes down to the fact that their entire purpose is to defend corruption, they’ve dug in their heels on defending lies, and there is no where to go with that, other than to make misteps.

      • Insanelyasinine

        Most of GG. But like always make an archive today and post it up for GG would be a good idea.

      • ReallyNotThough

        More like “Its that a woman was harassed, this is more important than the reviews for toys”!!!

        Welcome to real life, where people matter more than things.

    • Michal Dvořák

      Right, the GamerGaters have long since moved on, as evidenced by the 16 gigabytes of abuse. You’re a riot, mate!

      • Insanelyasinine

        Where is that abuse mate?

        • ScarlettKitsune

          If you read the article, Quinn saves the abuse she receives in a folder and quantified that in GB.

          • Benjamin Stanley
          • ScarlettKitsune

            @benjaminstanley:disqus, thank you for the link. I am sure that either side of ‘GamerGate’ is filled with hatred and bile. To be honest, the entire ‘scandal’ that has ballooned is stupid, has ruined lives on either side, and has revealed an ugliness in people that is staggering. I just wish people were better.

          • Benjamin Stanley

            Hey, Thank you – You do not know how much I have longed for a civil reply / Discussion to what has been going on.

            You are pretty much hitting the nail on the head in all counts. At this point it is stupid. I do not know why people still bring up Zoe Quinn or Brianna Wu. They have long left the independent game scene.

            Also I wish people were better as well and would put this behind them.

          • ReallyNotThough

            yes yes let’s all read what Cernovich has to say I want to know more about why unprotected sex brainwashes women and also how juice can make me a better man, and how gamers are pathetic

          • hams

            hey ben, no it’s not

          • Benjamin Stanley

            I honestly found it to be an interesting read at the very least enlightening that Zoe Quinn lied under oath in front of congress.

            Lets be honest here – Zoe Quinn is a shit stain compared to congress and double crossing them wont be taken lightly by them.

          • hams

            If you say so, I’m sure the secret service is on their way to get her……… =

        • Michal Dvořák

          Try reading the article you’re commenting on. You might find out.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          what, you didn’t hear about about it while jerking of on the men’s rights section of reddit all day?

          • Insanelyasinine

            Don’t use reddit. Go tip your fedora somewhere else.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            That’s your uniform

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Feel free to read the reply I typed above explaining why there’s so many holes in what y’all are saying. The anti-GG keep going on about her, not the pro-GG.

        Also, as for a riot, every grouping has bad apples and haters… should we rehash all the bad and wrong done by the anti-GG? Phil Fish meltdowns anybody, telling everybody to F’off and die? Or perhaps Adam Sessler publically condoning doxxing as long as it’s to people they don’t like and aren’t in their clique? Or maybe Sarkeesian, that raked in a half-million dollars last year, when her “project” only needed originally like $12k, and yet still hasn’t finished the project, and for everything she claims the money went to, the videos haven’t changed whatsoever. Or how about the anti-GG hating GG so much, they had Honey Badger Brigade, which are primarily females (yet anti-GG claim that GG hates women and are misogynistic), removed and banned from the Calgary Expo for only displaying GamerGate logos… then later had the police sent to a public park where they were having a friendly picnic in order to prolong the harassment of women. To quote your own words: “You’re a riot, mate”. ^_^

        Plenty more to go on that list as well…

        • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

          I honestly wish the anti-GG side would STOP cash-cowing Wu, Quinn, and Sarkeesian… as myself and others, that are TRUE GAMERS, definitely want to see a reform and change within not only gaming journalism, but the gaming-community as a whole. Perhaps once they can stop cashing in on the professional-victim angle and actually telling people what they think and what they’re about… perhaps then people can see what GamerGaters truly want.

          You want a riot? A riot is you trying to tell me what I think, who I am, what I represent, and what I believe… simply because several libel articles say so. Would you like it (Michal), if I told you that you’re a misogynist, and that you’re over-privileged, and that you’re nothing but a hater and a loser… just because some article and some group said so? Anti-GG wants to scream victims of paintbrush stereotypes… yet can’t help but splash them everywhere. Kind of like when women and minorities tried speaking up on the GamerGate side, with “#NotYourShield”, just to have the anti-GG tell them they don’t exist and that they’re just sock-puppet accounts… even when they made videos saying, “here we are, we’re not fake”.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “just to have the anti-GG tell them they don’t exist and that they’re just sock-puppet accounts”

            Do you think that might have something to do with GGers openly planning to start NYS with sockpuppet accounts?

          • hams

            “TRUE GAMERS” Give me a fucking break. I’ve been playing games longer than you’ve been alive son. ‘True Gamer’ is just the childish teenagers trying to keep the ‘icky girls’ from coming into their treehouse. Nobody cares who you think is a true gamer because nobody cares what you think in general. Especially nobody cares what GG thinks.

            You melvins seem to think that if ZQ, Anita, and Wu went away, GG would get a bunch of attention for all the ‘hard-hitting GAMES JOURNALISM’ they’re doing…. Nobody cares! Planet earth does not give a shit about a few thousand dweebs crying over ethics in fuckin entertainment media.

            Btw, that notyourshield shit. It’s boring. Finding a small handful of black people foolish enough to be Klan members doesn’t mean the KKK isn’t racist. Wheel out all the token minorities you can find, every single leading figure in the group that I have seen has been a white guy. Nobody is convinced that GG is a group meant for everyone, especially not with that ‘true gamer’ bullshit.

        • Michal Dvořák

          Someone got angry and told someone to F’off and die!? Someone else is taking a long time to finish a project!!? And yet someone else was blocked on an internet discussion!!!? ZOMG!!! That, like, _totally_ justifies the death threats, the doxxes, the swatting, and everything!

          And you say you have even more on the list? Please, do go on, that’s really riveting stuff. Next you will tell me that Zoe Quinn called someone’s mom fat, right?

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Wow, LOL… should look up who Phil Fish is… he’s a game developer (even though his games are crappy, for some reason people loved him and his games) that took all the kickstarter money, ran, and told the backers to F’off… he’s also close friends with Quinn FYI.

            That someone taking a long time to finish a project got tons of kickstarter backing from funders… multiple hundreds of thousands… project only half done, and the deadline was a year or more ago.

            No, not “someone else was blocked”… it was a BOT that auto-blocked thousands… sort of a “blacklist” that unconstitutionally categorized and discriminated against those thousands, mis-labeling several and keeping them “hidden” and “silenced”… so yeah, quite a big deal there, dumbass.

            BTW… think you’re trying to cross things… I never said anything on that list justifies anything… I notice you purposely left out Adam Sessler of the anti-GG side that publicly condones doxxing of anybody that’s not drinking their kool-aid… but then go on about it justifying the doxxing… hahaha, you lose loser. #WelcomeToBlockList #GoPlayInTraffic

          • hams

            ” BOT that auto-blocked thousands of people, before they ever posted anything new… sort of a “blacklist” that unconstitutionally categorized and discriminated against those thousands,”

            That is not how the constitution works. Even a little. Let’s do a little class ok? Twitter is not a government entity. It is not funded by tax dollars. It has no obligation to be inclusive to any and all. As a private entity, it has no obligation to restrict the legal actions of its users. I can block whoever I want for whatever reason I want. Btw it’s pretty fuckin funny that you’re mad about being blocked since the only people that do it are the people that GG is harassing.

            Please pay much more attention in Civics class because right now you should be in summer school.

          • Michal Dvořák

            I like how you keep adding details to these pointless stories as if they actually matter. As if having a list of other things that the GamerGate crowd dislikes in any way proves that they have moved on from Ms. Quinn.

            Anyway, I assume I won’t be hearing back from you, seeing as I’m now on your “blocklist”, but I have to tell you I’ll miss our scintillating conversations. There’s nothing quite like being called a loser by someone who upvotes their own comments 😉

    • Erik Miles

      “Right, just look at much they don’t care:
      Like in the very comment section of this article, where they spend 5000+ trying to prove that “actually, Quinn is the horrible one”.
      Like how on the “GameLoading: Rise Of The Indies” Steam page, it ‘coincidentally’ is getting ‘vote bombed’ just for having Quinn briefly in it.”

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Perhaps if the anti-GG would stop bringing her up every couple weeks to couple months, making her, Sarkeesian, and Wu the poor professional victims people could stop talking about her. I didn’t find this article by searching “Zoe Quinn”, I found this article by searching “GamerGate News”. This Quinn nonsense was over months ago, but the anti keep rehashing it to milk the cash-cow as long as they can.

        Since the whole Quinn stuff, GamerGate has moved onto the recent Honey Badger Brigade being unfairly removed and banned from the Calgary Expo, simply for having GamerGate logos (as has been proven), to later be harassed at a local public park while trying to have a friendly picnic, by police sent by the Expo… of which the HBB are primarily female.

        Or perhaps the whole GameJournosPro mailing-list… or that one guy that programmed Monkey Island doing his lame sock-puppet impersonation of “NotYourShield”, etc.

        I find it mind-blowing amusing that those that claim to despise GamerGate seem to know EXACTLY what every single GamerGater talks about, and what’s on their docket for the day — if you don’t follow it, how can you know what their current hot topics are?? LOL. Ironically, those that follow GamerGate, such as myself, know that GG has moved on, and there’s been tons of other topics since… it’s the anti-GG that want to keep rehashing the victim angle, keep going on about it, and then blaming it on GG. Want proof? Check out http://www.gamergate.me — site has been dead since I think February… but you can see all the other articles in order, with hardly any even mentioning Quinn. But it even shows that as far as two months ago, February, Quinn wasn’t even still seen as noteworthy by GamerGate.

        • Erik Miles

          And yet, even months after most of the rumors of Quinn have been dispelled, you’ll still find the eager ‘gater whose more then willing to rehash that rumor to prove how “horrible she is”.

          But you are right in a sense, the ‘gate has sorta hopped on to other equally stupid “controversies” and “conspiracies”, but this comment section has kinda proved that even 8+ months after the fact, they still haven’t quite gotten over Quinn.

          Also, just as a bit of a reminder, upvoting your own post is kind of seen as egotistical

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            I won’t deny, there are those that rehash the rumors… I’ve let them go, since I don’t know the full story. Still not sure what the case was on the one guy that was supposedly married.

            But most GamerGaters, at least myself, found this by doing a Google search on “GamerGate News”, and this article was smack dab at the top, again trying to say that GamerGate is ONLY about Zoe Quinn and nothing else. As I said above, check that site, gamergate.me — hasn’t been active since February, but see how often Quinn is referenced, or even mentioned.

            Also, just as a reminder… actually having to shape yourself based on the thoughts and opinions of others online is kind of seen as a bit insecure. ^_^

      • JenkPac Shakur

        Zoe Quinn is human garbage. A female version of Jeffrey Dahmer. If you defend her you yourself are human garbage. Nuff said.

        • Kyle

          Are you saying she’s a serial killer? Please explain.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            She admitted she killed a guy. Go ask Mallorie Nasrallah yourself if you need proof. I’m not here to hand hold when google is available freely to all.

          • Kyle

            Google won’t tell me what you think about an issue.

            If you don’t want to talk about it then why did you comment in the first place?

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Yes it will. Go look up the woman’s name I told you about using google and sooner or later you will have your answer.

  • Becka Tarloni

    Oh my god, no one cares about this sack of marshmallow fluff anymore. Let her disappear into the fat ether she spawned from.

    • Benjamin Stanley

      Pretty much how I feel.

    • Calloway McSmithing

      “Nobody talks about her,” she said, talking about her.

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Uhhh, yeah, because everytime gamers turn around, rather than reading NEW news about NEW games or even OLD games… they keep having “her” shoved in their face. It not like Becka chose to “talk about her”, the author talked about her, AGAIN… in an article 2 days old, for something that happened 8+ months ago that everybody else has moved on from. -_-

        • glennisw

          And you were held down and forced to read it.

          • Insanelyasinine

            “Don’t like don’t read.” What is this fanfiction dot net?

          • ReallyNotThough

            It’s actually just an entire universe where you can choose which articles to read based on their titles and header images.

          • Insanelyasinine

            of course there is. But the thing is people are still going to read it and put their 2 cents in for it. Because some people are interested in the subject matter.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” Because some people are interested in the subject matter.”

            And if you’re one of them, don’t complain that writers are writing articles that interest you.

            Any more basic principles of reality that I need to explain to you?

          • Insanelyasinine

            I’m not complaining bud. There is critiquing. Anything that is made is allowed to be subjected to scrutiny.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure you’re not why would I ever think GG is whining about everything all the time

          • Insanelyasinine

            Because you nitpick your sources. Anyway people are allowed to complain. Is it a waste of time? Of course. Could we be doing something productive right now? Yes we could. But here we are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Anyway people are allowed to complain.”

            Sure, doesn’t somehow make an 8 month movement complaining about a woman’s sex life, as well as an article by Leigh Alexander that no-one on GG actually read or understood, and the general state of toy reviews, all while supporting abusers and stalkers, is not stupid as hell.

          • Insanelyasinine

            8 months movement about woman’s sex life, They’ve been attacking the “journalists” involved in the scandal.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Grayson didn’t get near the attention that Quinn did, stop lying.

            Also, the scandal was disproven. Sex for coverage never happened.

            Yet, here GG is, 8 months in, still trying to punish a woman for sleeping around on a break.

            Such ethics.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Just looked at the tweets right now. Right now GG is happy because Grayson is now forced to put down that he once dated Zoe Quinn.

          • ReallyNotThough

            wow good work you found out that one adult sexed another adult this was definitely your business and definitely not something that happens all the time

            sex for coverage never happened though, if you’re slow on the uptake

          • Insanelyasinine

            The thing is you shouldn’t review those you fucked or dated because you’d already have biased. It could have been a nasty break up and they’d use that against any one person. Someone who never done anything personal shouldn’t do a review. It’s unethical. It’ll be best if someone else reviews it so their is no bias. That’s the point. That’s what journalism should be about.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “The thing is you shouldn’t review those you fucked or dated ”

            Good thing no-one did. Unless Grayson has a time machine, he never wrote about Quinn during or after they dated.

            He also never “reviewed” her game, at all, JFC, it’s bizarre how committed GG is to that obvious lie.

          • Insanelyasinine

            http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/depression-quest/
            Any way even if he didn’t fuck zoe. He still was friends with her. That is unethical. Where’s the problem with being friends? Simply they’ve been friends since 2012. Meaning he’s got a bias.
            https://archive.is/j5DW0
            Now lets say I hate you in every inconceivable way. I become a game journalist and you made a video game. Should I be allowed to make a review on your game? The answer should be no because I’d have a dislike of your character and use that to mark down your score. Someone else should do the interview.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Notice how the date on that article was before they slept together?

            Seriously, it’s bizarre how many GG need to have the fact that time is linear explained to them.

            “Simply they’ve been friends since 2012.”

            Huh, then maybe GG should stop lying about their sex lives, right?

            Also, friendly relationships are very common in journalism, and don’t usually need to be disclosed. Maybe if you listened to journalistic ethics experts instead of spamming them you would know that.

          • Insanelyasinine

            http://journalism.nyu.edu/assets/PageSpecificFiles/Ethics/NYU-Journalism-Handbook-for-Students.pdf
            “-Writing about friends and family members: Most newspapers bar reporters
            from writing about, or including quotes from friends or family members, although
            there may be some exceptions, if the reporter is open about it. In an
            autobiography or memoir, obviously it is fine. Even here, however, there is an
            14
            obligation: the writer should be transparent and stipulate the relationship,
            whatever form that may take. When a reporter is sent out to sample opinion or
            find an expert, those sources should not be relations, unless the journalist can
            honestly claim the relationship won’t sway what he writes one way or the other.
            In other words, would the reporter pull punches because he’s a friend of the
            source? That’s why it is usually a good idea to stay clear of using friends and
            relatives in articles in most instances.”
            pg 13 -14

          • ReallyNotThough

            Got to say, including a single line mentioning that DQ was greenlit, in a list of games that were greenlit, does not seem particularly evident of a conflict of interest.

            Still, can you admit that GG should stop lying about Quinn having sex for coverage?

          • Spikier Than Thou

            You should be allowed to review my games even if you hate me. It’s called free speech. I don’t have the right to demand that only people who are ‘unbiased’ can review me any more than I have the right to demand that only my friends can review me.

          • hams

            yo you can be a crybaby about how she isn’t relevant or you can continue the debate about whatever it is you think. You can’t do both and not look silly.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            When I Google search for “GamerGate News” and it’s the link right at the top talking about “The Story Behind GamerGate”… which is not only libel but very misrepresentative… just a tad.

            I’m still baffled that this was written/posted only 2 days ago… when GamerGate has moved through so many other things since. I hadn’t really heard nor thought about Quinn since the last time the anti-GG shoved her down my throat. (That sounded kinda naughty… xD)

          • ReallyNotThough

            If it was libel you’d think GG could point a single thing they said that’s false.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Uhhh, biggest falseness that GamerGate is all about Zoe Quinn, or that her ex-boyfriend was the one that “started” the movement (it was building long before she ever even came along… as I’ve pointed out in other comments). Can go to http://www.gamergate.me — site’s been inactive since February… but take a gander through the articles that are there, and tell me just how many times Zoe Quinn’s name pops up. Yeah, that’s what I thought… #NotYourShield

          • ReallyNotThough

            The article says it started with Quinn. It did.

            Grow up.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            LOL, how about you grow up and stop believing everything you read. It didn’t START with Quinn… instead of giving advice like “grow up”, how about take the advice of “do your research kid”. ^_^ Now if you don’t mind, I’m kindly going to add you to my block-list… yay browser-scripting… oh wait, you can’t do that? Hrm… maybe you can make another anti-GG movement about how privileged coders are. *shrugs* Just a thought…

          • ReallyNotThough

            “It didn’t START with Quinn”

            Sure sure it’s not like Baldwin coined GamerGate while talking about debunked lies regarding Quinn’s sex life.

            Seriously, do you ever feel that you wouldn’t need to rewrite the history of an actual movement?

          • Kyle

            Suppose it didn’t start with Quinn. Suppose she’s not even a significant part of it. Doesn’t that just mean that other more significant parts of GamerGate involved even more harassment? Doesn’t that mean the article is understating the issue and that the real issue is even worse?

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “We heard reports that someone was being forced to post here,” said the police as they charged the thread.
          “Yes,” I said, “according Zombietech Becka did not choose to talk about Zoe Quinn, but she did talk about Zoe Quinn!”
          “Oh no,” said the police, “someone must be forcing her to talk about Zoe Quinn! We’ve had a lot of complaints about this recently!”
          “I know,” I said, nodding my head as I followed behind the officers, “nobody talks about Zoe Quinn, but everyone is constantly talking about her! What do you think it is?”
          “Well,” said officer Joe Daniels, “I think it’s probably lizard people. But Jerry over here,” he continued, jerking his thumb toward his partner, “thinks it’s a Tyler Durden situation.”
          Jerry nodded. “Zoe isn’t even real. She only exists if people talk about her. So she is forcing people to talk about her! The first rule of Zoe Quinn is that you can’t talk about anything other than Zoe Quinn!”
          “Oh my God,” I realized, “we’re talking about Zoe Quinn now!”
          That’s when we turned the corner and saw the horror. ZombieTech slumped in his seat, mouth wide open, Zoe Quinn pulling herself out of his slack jaw. Next to him another Zoe Quinn, slick with birthing fluids, pulled herself from Becka’s mouth. Around the world Gamergators fell victim to their own dedication as they began vomiting forth hundreds, no, thousands of Zoe Quinns, the product of their group fixation!
          “Actually,” said the demon army of Zoes Quinn, their singular voice shaking the earth and skies, “it’s about ethics in apotheosis.”

          • hams

            hahahaha yayyy I’m clapping!

    • ReallyNotThough

      I’ll bet being the kind of person who insults strangers’ weight on the internet is very rewarding and not horribly sad at all.

  • Jodie Mae

    Pushing the narrative that GamerGate is about harassing Zoe Quinn is like saying the Lewinski Scandal was about American voters harrassing Monica Lewinski.

    • PAZ

      What narrative? These are two interviews. They typed what the interviewed one said. It’s not some blog post with crude images made with paint full of arrows and circles.

      • utera

        Two interviews done at this point, in this context push a certain agenda based on their tone and the questions asked, or not asked, lets not insult peoples intelligence and pretend this wasn’t a clearly biased puff piece for zoe and co. It pushes their narrative, as countless other articles in the same light have for eight months now,

    • Michal Dvořák

      Of course. Because right after the Clinton-Lewinsky affair ended, Clinton published a long, whiny text about what a bitch that Lewinsky is for refusing to sleep with him any more, along with her contact info. That’s _exactly_ how it happened.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      Right, it’s about ethics. Except if anyone wants to criticize a videogame of videogame writing, it’s always you exact same nerds there to lash out at anyone you perceive as assaulting your precious entertainment media, or daring to give a game less than a 9 out of 10 lol, which is also what this is about, just lashing out at anyone you percieve as “against you.” You’re aligned with a hate mob, and you can’t even tell, that’s how big of a dipshit you are.

      • Jodie Mae

        Uh, the majority of Gamergate has been criticizing journos reviews since the Jeff Gerstman debacle

        And I’m not against GOOD criticism, I’m against terrible, poorly researched criticism like “female ragdolls are sexist” and “killing innocent females in Hitman is encouraged, which results in sexual stimulai as a reward for the player”

        • ReallyNotThough

          “I’m okay with criticism so long as it says exactly what I want it to say!!”

          I think you may be confused on the concept.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Or it’s just a case of you missing the point completely… which seems to me more the case, since you keep seeming to do it. #JustSaying

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure i guess i did miss the point about which think is wrongthink

    • GP

      That’s an interesting comparison because if you examine the press at the time, Clinton coverage vs Lewinsky coverage, the people do seem to hate her and to this date Lewinsky jokes are still made.

      • Insanelyasinine

        Of course those jokes are still made. Clinton is still relevant, especially since one of them is running for president. [enter over used snarky joke about the Clintons here.]

      • Jodie Mae

        And those people represent the entirety of the USA?

        • GP

          Which people represent the entirety of the USA?

    • Kyle

      Are you saying that this article wrong about the level of harassment Zoe Quinn and others received, or that they deserved the harassment? Please explain.

  • Benjamin Stanley

    I am a gay trans dwarf that has suction cups for feet. Check your height privilege

    • GP

      You must be THIS tall to troll the thread.

  • Aubrey Zeitgeist

    There’s something very “Adam Lanza” about Gjoni’s eyes.

    • PAZ

      That’s unfair.

      • Aubrey Zeitgeist

        Right. Gjoni published personal information about an ex-girlfriend in revenge, has encouraged people to harass her, actively enjoys the fact that he’s why she gets death threats and why her boyfriend lost his job offer, gleefully (and repeatedly) violated his gag order to tell this journalist how “The Zoe Post” is gettin’ him laid and fillin’ up his bank account, and he gets away with all of it because the legal system doesn’t understand that someone with the username BonerDuck69 is a real person and their threats are, sadly, often very legitimate.

        But what’s really unfair here? That I noticed a similarity between Gjoni’s eyes and Lanza’s.

        Thanks for weighing in with the proper perspective here, Skippy.

        • GP

          Comparing the mass murderer of children to a misogynistic ringhole isn’t fair. I’d say he was more like a that vampire guy from Twilight.

          EDIT: NO, totally like that guy from 50 Shades.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            lol @ the totally ridiculous farcical notion that the beta male hipster cuck Eron Gjoni who would not harm a fly if you put a gun to his head and ordered him to is in any way misogynistic whatsoever. Likely the guy still wishes nothing but the best for the psychopath Zoe Quinn.

          • GP

            ROFL “hipster cuck”
            “Still wishes the best”
            Holy crap you’re a stereotype and a half.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Not sure what you’re laughing about but considering I was never a sheltered trust fund baby that went through common core edJEWcational brainwashing like yourself I suppose such is not surprising. Your experience is utterly alien from my own. I grew up when America was still somewhat normal and non Communist.

          • GP

            Holy lord in heaven you are a trainwreck nightmare from the deep…Freeow! “when American was still somewhat normal” aka before the internet and you saw how abnormal the world is aka not like you?

            Go cry about diversity elsewhere, plz. No time in my calendar for what is shaping up to be a neo-something rant…

          • JenkPac Shakur

            GP? More like Saul Alinsky. You’re just parroting Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” with every worthless over the top hysterical ridiculous accusatory post that you make.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha tell us more about cultural marxism and the Frankfurt school it definitely doesn’t make you look like a white supremacist from the 70s.

          • GP

            I don’t know who that is, but I’ll look him up, thanks!

          • Aubrey Zeitgeist

            Yep, he totally wishes the best for her, which is why he gloats about ruining her life and is planning on a sequel to the post, so he can hurt her more.

            You’re obviously a super smart dude.

          • Insanelyasinine

            any sources to this info?

          • GP

            Did you read the article or no? The part where he says he’s debating publishing the followup?

          • Insanelyasinine

            Just read the rest. Any way she’ll just get more patreon subscribers if he did. So really know point.

          • GP

            Wow, so like, he’s totally doing her a favour?
            Gosh that seems like a totally equal trade-off.

            Do you all live at home, or are you just so greedy that you can’t look past the side effect of having a bunch of dinks whining and threatening 24/7?

          • Insanelyasinine

            Most threats have been made are under scrutiny by cops already most have been found to be full of shit. What do you mean by live at home? Like live with parents? Don’t live with parents. Live by myself budgeting money on what I can afford to eat.

          • GP

            Really? Wow, if the cops thought they were “full of shit” (is that a direct quote, btw?) then I guess that’s cool. The law has totally kept pace with the internet and cops always do the right thing.

            So you’re saying you live like the rest of us, but think your form of working poverty is special and makes your points valid? Cool.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Of course it isn’t an a direct quote it’s an exaggeration. If she did fear for her life they would have to investigate. Hey you asked my living conditions and I gave you the insight.

          • ReallyNotThough

            They do. Congress itself has had to get involved.

          • Insanelyasinine

            I believe that one involved Wu.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yet they invited Quinn to talk about her threats and how law enforcement could do a better job protecting her.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Law enforcement can always do a better job. Most people would just hire a body guard. She does get about 4 grand a month due to patreon.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ….you have no idea how much things cost, huh?

            Also, she spends most of her Patreon on CO, to help protect other people from you creeps.

            Maybe, if you don’t want Quinn to mention she’s harassed and threatened, stop harassing, threatening, and lying about her.

          • Insanelyasinine

            I haven’t done any of the sort. I’m just following the news.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, then stop supporting the movement that does.

          • Insanelyasinine

            I’ll stop supporting the movement when game journalist’s admit their mistakes in colluding with one another and giving awards to indies who are their friends. Zoe Quinn was 8 months ago. Right now it’s about Calgary Expo.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Calgary Expo is not a journalist, hate to break it to you.

            “colluding with one another”
            You know that didn’t actually happen, right?

            “giving awards to indies who are their friends.”

            You know that didn’t actually happen, right?

          • Woody

            British police have found, arrested, charged, prosecuted and imprisoned trolls sending threats to women online.

            Despite the fact that this article claims an army of “thousands” are attacking Quinn, the FBI have identified ZERO people.

            Yup the school report for the FBI would definitely say “could do better”!!!!

          • hams

            Because the UK is barely bigger than the average US state, they have much more specific and harsh anti-racism laws. (all of the KKK would go to jail there) A guy made a joke tweet about blowing up an airport and went to jail. You realize these are different countries right?

          • Woody

            The British police can identify individuals from Twitter sock puppet accounts. Searching 60 million people is in reality as hard as searching 300 million.

            You do realise that right?

            As for the laws, are you saying the death threats against Quinn were not illegal?! In the US?

            So not only do you not know who committed the crimes (despite you sub human animals inciting hatred by pointing fingers at innocent people), you also don’t know if a crime was even committed?!

            Wut?!?!

          • hams

            Try again buckaroo bonzai. Different countries, different infrastructures, different laws. Part of the different laws makes it much easier to prosecute hate speech, whereas in the US cowards like you schlubs can hide behind the 1st amendment with your hate speech.

            Second, the fact that the us justice system doesn’t have the capability to even approach internet based crimes at the lower levels coupled with the reality that the upper levels of the justice system are pretty swamped with a lot of work, is a reasonable explanation of why the CRIMINALS making death threats, aren’t being put in jail.

            Start factoring in things like proxies (omg you melvins love proxies), people outright posting from other countries (international law definitely doesn’t cover this) and if you have 1/4 of a brain you can see the situation.

            I know the crimes were committed. I’ve seen evidence (it’s been posted several times in the comment section) and I’ve seen one woman after another come out and speak about it. You might like to think there is a vast conspiracy by women in games, but you also like to think gaming journalism matters so….

            Oh and just another cherry on top. You guys make a lot of claims that anti-gg is making the same death threats…why haven’t any of them been put in jail either? More conspiracy? DEAR GOD DO YOU THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. AAAH LIZARD PEOPLE. ILLUMINATI.

          • Woody

            Learn to read sub human animal.

            I am talking about tracing a Twitter account where some attempt has been made to disguise the true owner. You mentioned proxies etc – that applies on both sides of the Atlantic.

            Don’t get hung up on the prosecution part sub human animal.

            Remember I am talking about you sub human animals inciting hatred against an entire demographic without evidence against them.

            Do you have any evidence as to who committed the crimes you worthless sub human hate-speech animal?

            Not whether they *were* committed (I merely queried whether you were implying they weren’t), I want to know *who* committed them.

            Sub human animals like you have smeared millions of innocent people. You do have the evidence to back up those claims right?

            If the answer is yes, why don’t the FBI have that evidence? Why are you sub human animals going to the press and inciting hatred based on evidence you claim to hold, but not passing that evidence to the FBI?!?!?!? Why?!?!?!?

            You have said that a crime exists, and by acting like a sub human animal and inciting hatred, you are claiming to know who did it.

            Now are Americans so brain dead that they can’t put the crime that you say was definitely committed, together with the evidence that you claim to hold, and bring people to justice?!

            You have a crime under US law.

            Sub human worthless animals like you claim to have proof of who did it.

            How hard can it be!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • hams

            Has anyone told you you’re kinda verbose? It takes you like 500 words to say what everyone else says in 20. Your arguments aren’t convincing and your delivery makes you look unstable, keep up the good GG PR work!

          • Woody

            Sick, evil, bigoted abusers like you and Quinn incited hatred against millions of innocent people on the BBC and Guardian and tens if not hundreds of other sites.

            Yet:

            You have NO evidence.

            The FBI have NO evidence.

            None of you even know how many individuals were behind the threats let alone who they were.

            You incited hatred against millions of innocent people over the actions of a few unknown individuals.

            Quinn did not deserve death threats over the incident with her boyfriend/Grayson. The people who did that should be jailed.

            However she absolutely deserves to be continuously hounded over her later hate speech until such time that she and the publications who enabled her abusive bigoted behaviour issue an apology.

            If that is too long for you to read, I suggest you buy a childrens comic.

          • hams

            I feel like I AM reading a children’s comic, but it’s just bizzaro superman delivering a rabid speech about ethics. So you’re saying she deserves the rape and death threats…and they should continue until…someone ELSE apologizes? I honestly can’t figure out if you’re a weird variety of troll or just really mentally unbalanced.

            I know you have extremely hurt feelings, but this is some Zodiac Killer shit you’re talking. Here’s a thought, I play games, but I don’t feel attacked by her, because I don’t abuse women on the internet. Hope that helps.

          • Woody

            The sub human animal said: “So you’re saying she deserves the rape and death threats…”

            Actual quote from my previous post: “Quinn did not deserve death threats”.

            Hahahaha oh deary me!!! You got caught in the act there didn’t you!!!

            True to form the sub human animal SJW uses a STRAWMAN FALLACY.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

            When ever a sub human animal starts a sentence with “so what you are saying is….” you just know it will be a strawman!!!

            Just as the bigot Quinn incited hatred against millions of innocents by misrepresenting them on the BBC and Guardian, you are using exactly the same type of smearing tactic here.

            Anyone can read my previous post and see that I said that she should be “hounded over her hate speech until such time that she and the organisations involved apologise”.

            To hound: Informal. to incite or urge (a person) to do something

            At no point did I condone rape or death threats. I explicitly condemned them.

            Now please, just condemn Quinns bigoted incitements to hatred in the mainstream press and we will get along just fine. That is the only difference between us.

            We both condemn the death/rape threats and want the perpetrators caught.

          • hams

            “deserves to be continuously hounded over her later hate speech until such time that she and the publications who enabled her abusive bigoted behaviour issue an apology.”

            You know words can have more than one definition right? The origin of the term hounded is literally to be chased by dogs, often at the end of the chase, killed by the dogs. Whether or not you meant that, you used the wrong word if you meant something benign (which you really didn’t anyways since incite/urge is pretty close to coerce)

            Play semantics all you want, the message you are sending is clear. And it’s mostly insane. It’s not a strawman when I’m just reading your own message back to you, using words that better reflect the intent based on context. If you use the word ‘eliminate’ I’m going to say ‘kill’ to point it out.

            ” That is the only difference between us.”

            Nah.

          • Dr Dub

            Predictable as ever!

            Sub human SJW animal immediately obsesses over semantics. Every time!

            I will not engage in that debate with you and I will explain why.

            The opinions of hate inciting, bigoted, sub human animals like yourself are worthless. Human Beings wouldn’t wipe their back passage clean with the bigoted, extremist, sub human animals interpretation of words.

            I only care about what Human Being’s believe those words mean. Human beings can read this thread and interpret the words themselves.

            You vile toxic sub human bigots will always twist everything to suit your goals of inciting hatred. Trying to change that is futile so I won’t try.

          • hams

            LOL I can’t even keep track of you wackos, do you normally talk like this too or are you just picking it up off of woody? or did you change your name? oh well!

            Kinda seems like you lost the argument, so now you’re saying my opinion doesn’t matter and you’re GIVING UP.

            Congrats on being a mildly original troll or condolences on being mentally disturbed, whichever applies. Fairwell, I will miss you!

          • Dr Dub

            I am replying to your posts but I am not technically talking to you because my message is aimed at human beings and not you.

            You are a bigot who has defended and possibly been involved in the incitement of hated against millions of innocent individuals.

            The type of person that incites hatred against millions of innocent people is a sub human animal (most were hung by the neck in 1945/46) and I would not therefore spare 1ml of my urine to extinguish the flames if that type of person was on fire.

            I am not “giving up” on you, because sub human animals such as yourself were beyond saving when you incited hatred months ago. As the world discovered in the 1940’s, people like you cannot be reasoned with.

            Therefore I will not waste time discussing semantics with hatred inciting sub human animals who can’t be reasoned with.

            I am talking past you to human beings who might read this.

          • EpicFails

            Maybe she could sue Gjoni for the cost. He fed her to an internet hate mob. Just a thought.

          • Insanelyasinine

            Maybe if I was Zoe Quinn but I’m not and have no use for said info. Especially since I’m not a lawyer.

          • hams

            no kidding

          • GP

            You kinda don’t know anything about the history of law and technology do you? As in, even if she did fear for her life, most police do not have the knowledge, resources or actual means to find anonymous mobs of people, no matter how terrifying they are.

            Go on, try it out. Double dare you to go piss off the wrong guy and see what happens.

          • Insanelyasinine

            What reasoning would I have to piss off the “wrong guy?” Most people can’t even find me due to lack of posting my info online. I could be anywhere. From San Atonio Texas to Cluj-Napoca Romania.

          • GP

            We’re all one shitty ex-boyfriend away from being the next Zoe Quinn.

          • Insanelyasinine

            I’m Aromantac/asexual bud. There’s no chance of that.

          • GP

            Lucky you?

          • GP

            You get this thing called doxing, right? And how GG has used it?…

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Most”

            Well, if only 95% of people who say they want to rape and kill Quinn’s entire family probably won’t do it, that’s okay then.

          • Insanelyasinine

            That’s the scientific method for you. Requires 95 percent to be valid. 19/20 tries to be valid. Most people on the internet say some fucked up shit to others most of them aren’t even close to be reality. Just the other day someone used the hashtag killallmen does that mean they’ll go out of their way to kill all men? Of course not. It’s just edgy teenager shit. Which of course any thing edgy will get a post saying “That’s so edgy” in a sarcastic manner making fun of their blatant stupidity. A few years back we’d just call them internet tough guys.

          • ReallyNotThough

            whoooooosh

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            when your a white male nerd who lives in moms two story house with a basement and two suvs in the driveway, then yeah, I guess you live in a context free bubble where nothing outside your peripheral vision is your responsibility and you never had to learn empathy or know any kind of discomfort

          • Insanelyasinine

            1. I’m not white. I’m brown if you want to talk about my skin pigment. [inb4 someone says you talk white]
            2. I live in an apartment.
            3. I live by myself.
            4. I could only afford a 3000 dollar car after about 3 1/2 years having to walk to work where I stay for about 12 to 14 hours a day turning a wrench.
            Attack someone else about being part of the privileged class.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            weird! cause online you’re completely indistinguishable from a nerd shut off from reality in his mom’s basement

          • Insanelyasinine

            What do you want me to call you esa or put in spanglish because of my brownness. What racist stereotype do you want to be? How I will mow your lawn for 40 bucks? Come now tell me so I can write you off as a racist.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Oh no I’m sure brown people can be just as socially crippled and ignorant as white nerds

          • Insanelyasinine

            Just like anyone else.

          • hams

            You’re pulling down 70 hours a week, living alone, and you can barely afford a pos car? I’m not convinced you’re the most capable person to be making judgements on anyone’s life. I don’t care about your economic status, I care about the shitty decisions you make (like supporting GG, which you are don’t deny it). Spend a little less time on hating women, and a little more time figuring out where your 30 hours of overtime per week is going. Seriously are you spending it all on yugioh cards or something??

          • GP

            Money = totally worth months of harassment. Cool story.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            reading really isn’t your strong suit huh

          • JenkPac Shakur

            How exactly is her life ruined? If anything Eron’s blog post exposing her nefarious deeds only brought more of you social justice warrior bozos to her side giving her undeserved cash and prizes. Thus she is living large these days and in more ways than one judging by her ever inflating figure.

          • GP

            THis is how we can tell you still live at home and aren’t capable of understanding being an adult.
            “living large”=funding cash into CrashOverride, having to leave their city to move to another, countless trips to the cops, courts, etc.

            I bet you’d trade places with her in a second.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Its certainly an enticing proposition if you think about it. All the cash you groupies have given her and continue to give her (lol @ you suckers being born every minute!) not to mention the wealth of Alex Lifschitz family that she is presently golddigging and parasiting off of in her world travels and other extravagant lifestyle choices being Zoe Quinn today in the year 2015 wouldn’t be such a bad thing at all. She’s living proof that horrible human beings oftentimes get the best out of life while the actual good people like Eron Gjoni usually end up getting the worst. Seriously Gjoni’s heroic blog post where he warned the world about her so as to save people from getting betrayed by her in either friendships or relationships with her only ended up making her more famous than she’s ever been. She should have her sugar daddy Alex commission an artist to paint out Eron’s entire Zoe Post blog using 24karat melted gold because that post has basically made her into another Paris Hilton ie a woman who is rich and famous for no good reason at all.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            women find you repulsive for a reason

          • Insanelyasinine

            What is being gay? for 20

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            are you doing some game show schtick or is english not your first language or what are you going for here

          • Insanelyasinine

            Game show schtick mate.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Actually they can’t get enough of my 18 inch black anaconda. Thank the media Jews for promoting that stereotype I guess.

          • GP

            Dude, please return to your Conspiracy Theory shed. The threads are chocked to the brim with conspiracy, there is no more room for wild speculation.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Did Zoe sleep with you too? Fair question. You’ve been doing her favors all throughout this thread. They can’t be done for free. Unless you are THAT much of a cuck and a white knight (highly possible I admit).

          • GP

            Did Eron sleep with you too? Just as fair a question.

            I’m a woman on the internet, it’s called empathy and identification, bub.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            You’re not a woman just because you got your penis surgically removed and you play dress up in women’s clothing darling. That makes you a mentally ill tranny and a cuck not a woman.

          • GP

            No, inventing that narrative and actually writing it out in public makes you a creepy transphobe, buddy.

            All kinds of ethics for you kids, huh?

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Huh? Normal people don’t subscribe to your ridiculous terms such as “transphobe”. In all honesty they wouldn’t even know what that means. So understand that to normal people you’d come off as the weirdo. Not me, darling. You only get to be the king or rather the “queen” on Tumblr. Remember that.

          • GP

            I’m gonna get into my ROFLcopter and fly away cause that was much too hilarious. You turn on the tv or read a book lately? Never mind. Dumb question.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            LOL @ you’re not realizing that the majority of people these days are becoming “cable cutters” and do not trust the Jew controlled media one iota much less the rest of the soul rotting dreck that is on the Talmudvision.

          • GP

            I think I hear your Fuhrer calling, better get back to your chores!

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Or perhaps what you are hearing is Odin’s call to return to your race and to cease being a cuck? LOL, nope it was Hitler after all. My bad commie, gotta run!

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Zzzzzzz all I ever receive in the real world is hi fives and praise whenever I tell one of you perverted otherkin tumblr tranny/feminist freaks or so called “minorities” the truth about your particular degenerate group/s.

          • GP

            “IRL I’M REALLY COOL SO SHUT UP”

          • ReallyNotThough

            If you’re upset about people feeling bad for her a good first step would be to stop lying about and harassing her constantly.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            What lies? She is a Borderline Personality Disordered sociopath by even her own admission. The rest of her moral/real crimes are documented and proven beyond a shadow of a doubt against WizardChan, Mallarie Nasrallah, Eron and The Fine Young Capitalists among others. Zoe herself even claimed to of murdered a man. So again I ask you what lies? The only lies going on here are you Zoe supporters attempting to paint this monster out to be a decent human being.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Borderline Personality Disordered sociopath ”

            nope. those words have meanings.

            “proven beyond a shadow of a doubt”

            Really? Please explain how Grayson used time travel to write about her game for sex.

            “The Fine Young Capitalists” Nope. They even admitted she never hacked or doxed them.

            See what I’m saying? If you don’t want people to support Quinn, telling hateful lies about her all day every day is not the way to go about it.

          • hams

            lol are you sure you’re not just jealous?

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Sure laugh it up cuck boy but I could never live with myself if I became a monster like Zoe Quinn just to get ahead.

          • hams

            I don’t even know how you live with yourself now.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Naturally. Most of you Communist hipster cucks simply cannot fathom that people exist who don’t also possess your same level of mental/ideological sickness.

          • hams

            You’re just kinda sayin random shit, huh?

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Ok so you’re playing dumb now huh? Not as if you cowardly cucks haven’t used that strategy a time or two million before.

          • hams

            You accusing me of anything involving the word ‘dumb’ so cute. LOL if you still think you’re going to wind me up with this lukewarm tapioca trolling. You’re bush-league my dude, go level up.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Wind you up? Since when do you effeminate hysterical wish-I-were-a-real-woman trannies ever “wound down?” You’re all a bunch of bouncing off the walls basket cases!

          • hams

            Hey at least you’re trying. I’m sure your parents are just glad you have a hobby that isn’t torturing the pets.

          • GP

            This kid! Not enough dismissive wanking gifs in the world for him. Do you think maybe he wrote some kind of generator? With about 10 different words?

          • hams

            He’s got some kid of spreadsheet and he’s going through all the combinations of words considered to be the best according to whomever little trolls look up to.

          • Aubrey Zeitgeist

            Look, I honestly don’t think a comparison of physical attributes is a comparison of mental behavior. No one looks at those “separated at birth” pictures of Mick Jagger and Don Knotts and thinks Jagger would have made a great Barney Fife.

          • GP

            I know, it’s just a comparison that is laden with connotations.
            Nobody is saying it’s wrong, just that it might be a bit…leading for some people. Don’t self-censor, but remember that this thread is chock-a-block with people who have their own conspiracy closets/sheds.

          • Aubrey Zeitgeist

            I get what you’re saying to a point, but the death threats and sexism and violence from the GGers, the swatting and doxxing, plus comments here in these threads about “edJEWcational brainwashing” and women being legally allowed to rape men, make me think that comparatively, getting upset at my comment is pretty strange.

            I mean, GGers keep saying Zoe should shrug off what’s happening or even appreciate it because of the attention and money she’s allegedly getting. But this dude can’t shrug off some stranger on the internet saying his eyes look like Adam Lanza’s?

            One of the threats Anita Sarkeesian received literally threatened a school massacre. That threat was a direct result of Gamergate. But I say in an internet comment that Little Mr Scorned-By-A-Woman Pants up there has creepy eyes and suddenly, ooooh, I went too far.

            It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

          • GP

            Those are totally legit points. I don’t think it’s upset at the comment, but more concerned with the association. But now that you’ve put everything in stark relief like that it’s probably closer to legitimate than I’d thought…

          • hams

            I get where you’re coming from, and I’m not dogpiling you at all. I just think that extreme comparisons are counterproductive. More than a few times I’ve seen the GGers compare ‘anti-gg’ to nazis. If an unaffiliated third party sees both statements, they look about the same. GG certainly has all the makings of a hate group, no doubt, but painting with an overly broad brush can backfire. Just my opinion, have a good one.

  • EpicFails

    Even Klingons get it. lol
    http://i.imgur.com/dM9rXo3.png

  • Jodie Mae

    -Gamergate has enforced said corrupt journos to disclose their relationships
    -Gamergate caused Gawker, a site that actually stalks women, to lose 7 sum advertizement deals
    GamerGate contributes to new FTC guidelines
    -Gamergate singlehandedly funds a feminist org (TFYC) that Zoe -Quinn tried to shut down because they weren’t feministing right, which resulted in their site crashing which she gloated about

    http://i.imgur.com/6SVLxB0.png
    .
    .
    .
    AntiGG: “But Zoe got trolled online, waaaah”.

    • ReallyNotThough

      TFYC is not a feminist org. It’s very clearly a crowdfunding campaign for a 75% male developer.

      Also, learn to Disqus, JFC.

      • Jodie Mae

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fine_Young_Capitalists

        “The Fine Young Capitalists (TFYC) is a self-described radical feminist group”

        “Purpose:
        Supporting work by underrepresented labor in the media industry”

        • ReallyNotThough

          “self-described”

          sure sure that definitely cancels out the fact that so far all money has been used to support the company where TFYC work, with the promise that 8% of profits might go to a single woman in the future

          • Jodie Mae

            Nice accusations. Wanna back them up?

          • ReallyNotThough

            https://pixietalksgamergate.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/tfyc-questions/

            I mean, this wasn’t even hidden, really. The only effort they’ve taken to hide what they’re doing is deleting Autobotika’s staff page so you can’t see that they’re 9 men and 3 women.

          • Jodie Mae

            Alot of ifs and buts and baseless accusations. Did that give Zoe the right to harass them?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “baseless accusations”

            Which of the following is false?

            1. TFYC is run by a former producer of Autobotika.

            2. TFYC gives all funds to Autobotika.

            3. Autobotika has 9 male and 3 female employees.

            4. 8% of profits may go to a single female non-developer. 16% will pay Matt’s salary at TFYC.

            “Did that give Zoe the right to harass them?”

            She didn’t. She pointed out that one of their policies, as written, was transphobic.

            TFYC even admitted that they lied about the rest (the hacking and doxing).

          • Jodie Mae
          • ReallyNotThough

            You get how that just confirms point 1., and does not address the remaining points at all, right?

          • Jodie Mae

            It ends there. The rest is just conspiracy theories.

          • ReallyNotThough

            It’s a conspiracy theory that only 8% of profits will go to a woman?

            I mean, it’s right here:

            http://www.thefineyoungcapitalists.com/profitBreakDown

            “8% of profits will go to the creator of the game”

          • hams

            and since profits are only a percentage of the actual revenue….it’s an even smaller amount than it sounds.

            Do you ever feel like you’re arguing with moon landing denialists? I mean it’s identical. The second you start pushing the details of anything they say, they immediately jump to the next thing. The more you poke holes in their tinfoil hat, the more angry they become.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Not necessarily, they could just be greedy dudes pretending to be feminists, knowing that misogynists would donate to them to make a talking point, especially since TFYC told a bunch of hateful lies about Zoe Quinn.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          nobody who is a capitalist is a radical

      • Andrea Porzio

        if they want to identify as women you shouldn’t harrass them, you transphobic shitlord!

        • ReallyNotThough

          Um, they don’t.

          You know, people who aren’t in cults don’t have to push BS talking points they don’t believe.

          Just something to consider.

  • Kyle

    Hey, let’s all harass Zoe Quinn to prove that Zoe Quinn was wrong about being harassed!

  • Kyle

    It looks like people are criticizing the article on the basis of GamerGate having moved on and Zoe Quinn being old news, without really disputing the information in the article. Or they’re just saying how bad of a person Zoe Quinn is without really bothering to go into detail about why. Would anyone care to clarify? Are you just having an emotional reaction against Zoe Quinn without being able to put your reasons into words? Is there some way you can explain why you think why Eron Gjoni was justified in and even commendable for revealing personal information and leading a campaign of hate and death threats while violating the few legal orders the court managed to charge him with, or why you think Zoe Quinn and others deserved to have their lives threatened and ruined, or why you think that’s not actually what happened?

    • Jodie Mae

      Maybe if she didn’t illegal DMCA peoples videos and censor half of reddit and 4chan (two sites which value their freedom of speech over everything else), she wouldn’t have received as much vitriol. And internet death threats, cmon. Since when did we start taking childish trolls seriously?

      • ReallyNotThough

        You can’t “illegal DMCA”.

        That’s like saying “illegal lawsuit”

        Also, maybe if GG hadn’t invaded her personal life and lied about her constantly to justify domestic abuse of her, she wouldn’t have tried to make them stop?

        Why, specifically, shouldn’t a hate mob libelling someone for no reason be “censored”?

        “she wouldn’t have recieved as much vitriol.”

        Please. GG are still lying about her sex life, on this very thread.

      • hams

        So you’re gonna justify the violent threats too huh? I didn’t know she was the high queen moderator of 4chan and reddit, capable of singlehandedly censoring 50% of an entire website.

        GG is 100% childish trolls and they all expect themselves to be taken seriously. No sure what good reason they have to not take anyone else seriously though….

      • Kyle

        Maybe, maybe not. But I suspect the vitriol is largely caused by her being a feminist and a woman on the Internet.

        Perhaps we started taking childish trolls seriously when their anonymity, herd mentality, and apparent immunity to the law has resulted in them terrorizing whoever they please not only with literally thousands of death threats but also swatting and doxxing, as mentioned in the article.

        I’m going out on a limb here but I’m guessing you haven’t personally experienced that sort of thing, right?

    • TheMovement

      I love how a bunch of idiotic people think that some how people have to censoring there own experiences just to protect other people they have no interest or responsibility in protecting in the first place.

      If I date a girl that girl becomes part of my personal life and becomes a subject of my life and I become the same for her. No mature adult in their right mind would think they are not.

      I don’t all of a sudden lose the right to free speech and tell my personal life story just because some one else is part of it.

      the “abuse” and “harassment” that may or may not come from a blog post is not the posters responsibility. Just like a woman isn’t responsible for being raped just because she dressed sexy.

      I am sure you think a woman dressed sexy is not responsible for being rapped.

      So follow through with that logic.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “not the posters responsibility”

        How about the abuse and harassment of Gjoni spending 8 months advising, encouraging, and feeding information to the people sending rape threats to his ex?

        • Alex

          Except there’s no evidence at all that this happened, and there is evidence to the contrary.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? Gjoni himself says he spends all his time now running an “internet war” against Quinn behind the scenes.

            He is on IRC logs congratulating the people sending her rape threats and advising them on how to proceed, as well as giving them info about her friends.

          • Alex

            “Gjoni himself says he spends all his time now running an “internet war” against Quinn ” — No, he doesn’t.

            “He is on IRC logs congratulating the people sending her rape threats” — No, he is not.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “He is on IRC logs congratulating the people sending her rape threats”

            So he didn’t go on burgersandfries to say they’re doing good work?

          • Alex

            Please provide a link to ANYWHERE Eron said that it’s OK or desireable to send rape threats to anyone? I won’t hold my breath.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Now you’re moving the goalposts. I said he congratulated the people sending the rape threats: burgersandfries.

          • Alex

            But did congratulate them FOR sending the rape threats? or for something else? Your posts above have implied that he congratulated them FOR doing that. Sneaky sneaky. But I can actual do logic, ya’ know.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Who gives a shit? He knew what they were doing, and encouraged and helped them do it.

            Plausible deniability only goes so far.

            In what possible universe would anything that burgersandfries did be okay?

          • Alex

            Who gives a shit? Um, anyone who cares about honesty and integrity and not unjustly blaming people for things they have no control over. You seem to be of the opinion that simply talking to someone means you endorse all of that person’s actions. You may wish to reconsider that intellectual train of thought…

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still waiting on an answer to this:

            “In what possible universe would anything that burgersandfries did be okay?”

          • Alex

            I have no idea what all burgersandfries has done. Please provide a link to some conversation, chat log, posts, etc that contains speech or behavior you don’t like and I’ll give you my opinion on it. Note that links to articles summarizing what this person/group(?) has done does not count.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then maybe you should have looked up the abuser campaign that launched GG before supporting GG?

          • Alex

            More logic fail. I’m not supporting GG. I’m pointing out your errors. You really really need to get away from this notion that my finding Zoe’s behavior appalling means anything other than just that: she has behaved appallingly.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So far you all you have done is lie about why GG started.

            “she has behaved appallingly.”

            Good to have the Internet Witchunter Squad on the case, punishing total strangers for their misdeeds.

            how is your life this sad

          • Alex

            Lie about why GG started? Um, no. Someone claiming Zoe had sex in exchange for a good review–even if that claim hasn’t born out–is still about ethics, so…

            “punishing total strangers for their misdeeds” — To repeat what I just wrote: “You really really need to get away from this notion that my finding Zoe’s behavior appalling means anything other than just that: she has behaved appallingly.” I have said nothing about punishment or endorsed anyone sending her threats. Please stay focused.

          • hams

            Hmm you sure haven’t condemned them either. Just like the rest of you melvins. You think the thinnest possible layer of plausible deniability is convincing.

            You’re not even good at this.

          • Alex

            I condemn threats and harassment. I don’t condemn GG as a whole because it’s much larger than a few trolls.

          • hams

            And yet nobody from GG can seem to move on from it…. Go look at the kotaku in action subreddit, search for ZQ, you’ll see they’re still talking about her. Not to mention all the other misogynist shit. I don’t think every GG is a misogynist, but I think it’s clear that the ones who aren’t are either turning a blind eye to it, or are just incredibly ignorant.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Yes, indeed about ethics… as a pro-GGer, I’ll even say, I stopped trying to figure out the whole Quinn mess ages ago… much of it can’t be proven nor disproved… even if there’s some pretty damning and compelling evidence against her.

            Either way, even if GG is completely and totally wrong on how Quinn became so famous on ONLY the merits of Depression Quest (hahahaha, okay)… what GG has achieved since being created, is pretty substantial.

          • hams
          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            That’s actually not moving the goalposts at all… they just asked for a link that points to proof of ANYTHING even close… in turn you try to “word” your way around the whole thing. Is burgersandfries a website? If we type www. and .com after it, will it load? o.O

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here is Gjoni saying he spends all his time in the internet war, btw:

            “Recently, his supervisors noticed that he looked haggard and wasn’t getting much work done, and asked him if he wanted to resign. Gjoni said yes.

            “Internet warfare takes a surprising amount of dedication,” he said.”

            http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-man-who-sparked-gamergate-regrets-the-harassment-but-say#.jmK5DOvA5

            Try lying less

          • Alex

            Oh, look an out of context quote in article that Eron has already pointed out as being misleading! Try giving me a link to an actual legitimate source that includes the entire exchange, both question and answer.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh well if Eron said it, it must be true!

            Just like when he called havign sex on a break cheating.

            Or when he said it’s Quinn’s fault that GG has hurt so many women.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Any more than what Quinn, or the rest of the SJWs and anti-GG just HAS to be true because they claim it? o.O

          • Pitchguest

            Even if it was true, why wouldn’t he, though?

            He was the victim of emotional abuse by Quinn. He was gaslighted, said Zoe’s cheating was his fault, and now he’s facing legal ramifications by being slammed with a restraining order.

            No, he hasn’t been on IRC logs congratulating people sending her rape threats. Stop lying. You and people like you are the reason Zoe has been able to sell her lies for so long.

            She’s a pathological liar, for fuck’s sake. She used to be a member of Helldump, a disease from Something Awful, specialising on doxing people. She claimed she killed someone in cold blood and left him to die in the street. She said people leaked private nude photos of her that she sent to a friend when they were actually photos taken by a professional nude website. She accused a community called Wizardchan of harassing her due to the release of her game Depression Quest when no such harassment occurred. People frequenting Wizardchan? Self-proclaimed, suicidally depressed virgins. All lies. All of it. Most of all, she claimed she had been driven from her home by threats when actually it was a trip to Europe that she had been planning months in advance.

            Look at that picture up top. Does that look like a person whose spirit has been drained? Whose life has been ruined?

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” why wouldn’t he”

            Because most people aren’t creepy fucking stalkers who attack the family and friends of their enemies?

            “emotional abuse”

            I saw the chatlogs. Puh-leeze. If I was ditching my gf to spend the night with a girl who was into me, my wife would be anxious and pissed too. Welcome to real life.

            “No, he hasn’t been on IRC logs congratulating people sending her rape threats.”

            He wasn’t on burgersandfries saying he liked how it was going?

            “She used to be a member of Helldump”

            More unconfirmed lies meant to justify your abuse of a woman after the fact.

            You know, if you weren’t a stalker’s personal army, you wouldn’t have to go through 5 years of blog posts trying to find a reason why the victim deserved it.

          • hams

            “Even if it was true, why wouldn’t he, though?” LOL you think that’s an argument!! Jesus christ I hope nobody ever has the extremely bad fucking luck of getting into and out of a relationship with you. Apparently hurt feelings are a justification for ANYTHING YOU WANT!

        • Pitchguest

          What is with you people and focusing on the threats? Everyone gets threats on the internet. Everyone. At some point. People on the GG side has gotten threats. People on the GG side has been harassed, same as Quinn. When it comes to the point where people on both fronts receive harassment and threats, maybe it’s time to consider whether you’re really the victim of third party trolls after all?

          That is, unless you’re willing to concede that Zoe Quinn and gang are just as abusive and threatening as you say GG are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “What is with you people and focusing on the threats?”

            Because they’re more important than imaginary toy reviews?

            Maybe when GG stops calling Quinn’s parents and threatening to kill them, we’ll talk about something else.

          • Pitchguest

            They’re not. They’re not more important in the slightest. Maybe to you they are, and to Zoe, because they allow you to dictate the narrative. But to everyone else they’re just a nuisance.

            What, calling her parents? With what number? The number she claimed was her parents’ number that was “leaked” but actually went to a bike shop in Honolulu? Does Quinn’s parents live in Honolulu? I think not.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “They’re not more important in the slightest.”

            Holy shit, grow up, your toys don’t matter.

            “With what number?”

            The numbers posted on /gg when you all doxxed her entire family.

          • Pitchguest

            I just told you. They weren’t doxxed. Do you just not absorb information when provided to you?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yet, Quinn says her father still gets called. Alex says his family gets calls.

            Huh, I wonder if this is related to the movement of abusers that has obsessed about them for 8 months?

          • Pitchguest

            Of course she does. She’s a pathological liar. Alex is her boyfriend. Are you seriously this fucking naive?

            The movement that’s been “obsessed” about them for 8 months? You mean the movement that moved on a month into Gamergate and took to refer to her as “Literally Who” because she wasn’t important anymore to talk about. Gamergate refers to the ethical standards of games journalists. The one you’re talking about was called Five Guys and that ended back in September last year.

            Look to the most popular Gamergate hub, Kotaku in Action on Reddit. How many threads about Zoe Quinn? On the first page? One. On the second page? None. On the third page? None. On the fourth page? Take a wild guess. Don’t worry, I’ll answer. It’s none. So tell me: how is Gamergate so “obsessed” about Zoe Quinn? Looks to me like it’s the other way around.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “how is Gamergate so “obsessed” about Zoe Quinn? ”

            Hundreds of you are here lying about her.

            QED.

          • Pitchguest

            If you honestly think I’m lying so much?

            Prove me wrong.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure, you say GG doesn’t care about Quinn.

            Many GG are here, caring about Quinn.

            Done.

          • hams

            You are here, arguing about someone that you claim you don’t care about at all.

            Damn that was easy

          • Pitchguest

            What?

            This is like saying that when Christians lie about atheists and atheists have said they don’t care about Christians, they can’t retort because “they don’t care about Christians.” No, we don’t care about Zoe Quinn. Or should I say, I don’t care about Zoe Quinn because Gamergate isn’t a collective. To me, Zoe Quinn is irrelevant. Clearly, though, if the threads on the most frequented places dealing with Gamergate are anything to go by, many others agree with me.

            However, we’re forced to care about Zoe Quinn when she lies constantly about Gamergate, what it’s about, how it came about, who’s involved in it and so on. Apparently, Gamergate is composed of a bunch of white men (few, but loud) intent on harassing women out of the gaming industry, where the “women” that supports it are sockpuppets of aforementioned white men. Except anyone with a working brain would figure out that’s a complete a lie from start to finish. People have been trying to debunk those claims for months but the media keeps churning out article after article with the same tired narrative.

            We’re forced to care about Zoe Quinn, Brianna Wu and Anita Sarkeesian, even though of all them are more or less not relevant in the slightest to GG, when this tired narrative is given headway, influence and even considered reputable, when it couldn’t be further from the truth. Wanting to drive women out of the gaming industry? People on the GG hashtag has repeatedly praised great women in the industry, not to mention that the women who supported GG had to create their own hashtag to counteract the rhetoric from anti-GG because they just assumed women and minorities opposed GG. They even used the hashtag to coordinate donating to an Indiegogo campaign to help women get a leg up as game developers. How the hell is this narrative still going when it’s demonstrably not true?

            I didn’t even know who Brianna Wu was (I had never heard of Revolution 60 in my life) until she claimed publicly that she had gotten threats from GG. Like, who are you? I’ve never heard of you or your game, what is this about receiving threats? And finally, Anita Sarkeesian isn’t even a part of the gaming industry. She’s a social media critic. None of them has anything to do with Gamergate except for Zoe Quinn who served as the catalyst.

            Also, when anyone of you are asked for proof of any description, you either deflect, ignore, or resort to petty insults. I have rarely been provided proof when I ask for it. And the few times I have, it’s been as useful as the one above. Jovial proposition redefined as a rape threat. Holy hyperbole, Batman. Again. If you have any proof of rape threats or harassment by GG, give it. Or shut up.

          • hams

            Hey I ignored your whole post because you’re still talking about ZQ, who doesn’t matter. Sorry I’m sure it was really cool.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Not so easy, go to Google and do a search on “Gamergate News”… guess what’s right at the tippy top… THIS article… that for some reason that’s still making my brain explode, was published only 2 days ago. It’s not bad enough to keep playing the professional-victim card, but rehashing it, and rewriting the entire narrative? GamerGate wasn’t started ONLY about Zoe Quinn… and it sure as hell wasn’t started by her ex, lol!

            (When I originally saw this article at the top of the results, I thought Google went and brainfarted on me, showing me old links first… thinking it had to be a year old… then saw 2 days, and the title in the search is, “The Story Behind GamerGate”… more click-bait… the title never even mentioned that it was about Zoe Quinn.

            Damn, that was easy. xD

          • hams

            Oh look another person who has about 100 posts about ZQ despite claiming she doesn’t matter.

          • Pitchguest

            Oh, and /gg never posted any “doxx.” Quinn herself did. Because she wanted to prove a point, only it backfired because people actually made some effort to look the numbers up to see if they were legit. They weren’t. So tell me again, how can people call her parents and threaten to kill them?

            There is also no evidence that anyone involved in GG has ever threatened Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian or anyone who’s falsely slandered/libeled it in the past 8 months. Not to mention that only one of those had a part to play in GG, the others (Sarkeesian, Wu) had no part to play at all but decided to inject themselves into the conversation regardless. But again, threats has been levelled to people on both sides of the aisle. Am I supposed to deflect and mention that everytime you have something legitimate you want to talk about?

            No, don’t answer that. Rhetorical question.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “There is also no evidence that anyone involved in GG has ever threatened Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian or anyone who’s falsely slandered/libeled it in the past ”

            hahaha I can’t believe your cult still has you pushing that

          • Pitchguest

            Oh? Then maybe you could be so kind as to provide introvertible evidence that GG has threatened either of those people. You’ll forgive if I won’t be holding my breath.

            It’s also quite telling that at the first sign of trouble, instead of providing proof which is easier and more likely to shut down your opponents, you resort to insults instead. I’m sure Zoe is glad to have such mature stalwart defenders on her side.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Google it. Wu has a restraining order against a GG who keeps threatening her.

            Also, google “Roguestar.”

          • hams

            Yeah let me know when GG has ‘introvertible’ evidence of literally any of their claims. PS introvertible isn’t a word, but judging by the context, a video of a facebook chatlog isn’t that

          • Pitchguest

            Yeah, that should have been ‘incontrovertible.’

            A video of a Facebook chatlog that Zoe Quinn herself has admitted is legit? Okay. I guess when you won’t even trust the word when it comes from the horse’s mouth herself, what good will mine do?

          • hams

            Sooorrrrry it’s not legit. Video evidence is legit, audio evidence is legit, press conferences are legit, published interviews are legit (since they face libel otherwise).

            Video OF a chatlog? That’s bullshit. I’ve seen more chatlog evidence that Eragon Gobi maliciously defamed his ex for revenge, and deliberately did so in a way that would attract the violent attentions of the psycho melvins that make up GG.

            Anyways, I read the chatlog, even if it’s true it doesn’t make GG any less psychotic for stalking and violent threats. It doesn’t make Egon any less of a bitter crybaby. The contents of the chatlog are so incredibly lukewarm that only a fucking nerd who has never been in a relationship would think it was exceptional.

            There is evidence of GG harrassment all over this comment section, all over the internet, in plenty of places in the media (plenty of women in games have gotten this treatment for daring to be critical or not appearing to be a ‘TRUE GAMER’)

          • Alex

            I find it truly sad that you think a male victim of emotional abuse and gaslighting is a “bitter crybaby” because he has the courage to speak out about it. Sexist much?

          • hams

            I find it embarrassing that GG thinks it can swing around SJW terms and be taken seriously. Being upset is one thing, seeking revenge is quite different.

          • Alex

            What SJW terms? Speaking out abuse and naming your abuser is not “seeking revenge”. But if, by your argument, speaking out abuse is wrong, and wanting the world to know what your abuser has done is wrong, I assume that you will also condemn all rape victims who speak out and name their attackers?

          • hams

            “, I assume that you will also condemn all rape victims who speak out and name their attackers?”

            Yeah that’s exactly what I’m talking about. It’s called concern trolling. Not one thing you have said has indicated that you give a single shit about social justice outside of protecting the poor gamers.

            I don’t need to explain *again* why Eron is wrong, regardless of what his ‘facts’ are. If you don’t get it, you’re wasting your time.

          • Alex

            Nice dodge. First, you have never explained why Eron is wrong. The best I can get from your statements is “he’s a guy and spoke out against a female abuser; he shouldn’t do that; he should just shut up.” That line of argument is horribly sexist.

            Second, rape is not just an SJW issue, and to assert that it is is insulting to the vast majority of people, who are decent non-fanatical folks.

            And again, I’m going to have to suggest you look up a term, this time “concern trolling”.

          • hams

            LOL countering concern trolling by claiming concern trolling you even get a little applause for that. I have explained why he was wrong, dozens of times. Look around, use common sense, use utilitarianism, whatever! it’s not complicated!

            You’re so plainly insincere I can’t even believe you’re still trying. You get credit for being the least idiotic of your bros, but you also get credit for being the most slimy.

            I really don’t need to dodge pal, I’ve made myself exceedingly clear and I guess you think you’ve got something to prove. You’re just going to keep misdirecting and misdirecting until you’re trying to argue about what the definition of ‘is’ is. Keep wasting your time dude, I can multitask.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Yup, again, recognize the context and the canned phrases here perfectly… again, better luck next time, “Guest”. xD

          • Pitchguest

            Oh, and “imaginary toy reviews”?

            It’s funny. No one, not Gjoni, not Internet Aristocrat, not MundaneMatt, not Adam Baldwin, said anything about a “review” to get the ball rolling. None of them did. They said ‘coverage.’ Do you know who started using the fabled ‘review’ to attempt to debunk those claims?

            Zoe Quinn.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Internet Aristocrat” literally said the word review about 10 minutes into the video that started GG.

            Stop rewriting history.

          • Pitchguest

            Okay.

            Ten minutes in. Where does he say the word ‘review’?

            Is it when he says Nathan published ‘positive pieces’ about her game? Is it when he says Nathan ‘marketed her product’ while they were in a relationship without disclosure?

            Who’s rewriting history, exactly?

          • hams

            So like, you don’t understand concepts or synonyms or what? First you say it wasn’t about coverage, now you’re saying it IS, but not using the exact word that you want it to. Can’t have it both ways.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            No, not everyone gets threats on the Internet. This is NOT the normal background noise of the Internet for most of us. If it were, online news wouldn’t consider it worth reporting, because all the *reporters* would be all like, “Ah, a dismemberment threat? I get two before tea; not newsworthy.”

          • Pitchguest

            Yes, they do. Everyone, at some point, gets threats online. Everyone. Do you think that threats online is just something that happens to women? Or these specific women? That they are unique and special?

            Why doesn’t online news report it more? That’s a very good question. Why don’t you ask them? As far as I know, Gabe Newell gets hundreds of death threats a day. How do I know this? Because he’s told us. Why wasn’t it reported? I don’t know.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            I’d think I’d remember it if I’d gotten any online death threats this millenium. How many have you gotten this millenium?

            If I generalize unscientifically from personal experience, the average is less than five threatening online stalkers per person per century. Gamergate’s targets are flying way above that average. This tells me that their experiences, like Gabe Newell’s, are atypical.

          • Pitchguest

            In my own personal experience? I’ve gotten a few here and there over the years. I’ve been using the internet for a long time. I didn’t take them seriously, of course, and obviously they weren’t since I’m still here, but here’s the point. Many people do get threats, and many people will get threats, because regretably that’s the nature of the beast right now. And especially those in the public eye, like Zoe, like Wu, like Sarkeesian, and like Gabe Newell who like I said has admitted he gets a ton of death threats every day.

            These people aren’t special. Yes, it’s terrible that this is something they have to look forward to either on a weekly or daily basis, but frankly most people, like Gabe, has come to terms with the fact that online threats are not credible in the least. Think about it. How many celebrities have you heard of where they got killed because they ignored a threat against their life online?

            But then you have people like Quinn, Wu and Sarkeesian, who revels in this sort of thing. Obviously they shouldn’t have to get death threats at all, but they’ve made such a big deal about it everytime that they bribed people to tweet them death threats for game keys and even going so far as to pretend death threats made to someone else was made against them. That’s insane.

            However, already you betray your scepticism when you say “Gamergate’s targets.” No, not Gamergate’s. There is no evidence that Gamergate has ever levelled death threats against anyone. And anyone I’ve asked to provide me with proof to the contrary has either ignored, deflected or insulted me. If you have anything, though, I’d really like to see it.

        • TheMovement

          show me the evidence for that show me a screen shot of him giving info to people who gave her rape threats.

          • ReallyNotThough
          • TheMovement

            what is this suppose to prove? I don’t see him giving info to some one who sent her rape threats. all I see is him talking to camralady who I know has never threatened zoe.

            I think you are full of shit and grasping at straws.

            try again

          • ReallyNotThough

            Cameralady sent her rape threats.

            He is talking directly to her.

            On the IRC of burgersandfries, the creepy channer hangout based on obsessing about her sex life and threatening her.

            Stop defending this fucking abuser.

          • Alex

            Do you have proof of CameraLady sending rape threats? Screenshot? Anything?

          • ReallyNotThough
          • Alex

            Bwahahahahaha. ROFL. That is SO not a rape threat. OMG. Glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I clicked on that link. That’s so hilarious. Really. That was a person making a joking proposition. And even if it wasn’t a joke–which it CLEARLY is–it was a proposition, an offer, not a threat.

            Really, keep entertaining me. (I hope this wasn’t one of the purported 1000s of threats because your credibility is slipping fast).

          • ReallyNotThough

            splitting hairs between sexual harassment and threats

            how is this your life

          • Alex

            Wow. Seriously, no rational person would call that either a threat or sexual harassment. You are taking a joke–three tweets that Zoe was tagged in over a few minutes–and manufacturing a crisis out of NOTHING.

          • Pitchguest

            That’s a rape threat?

            That’s a rape threat?

            Now I really want to see her other rape threats and compare them to that one, because holy shit. That is not a rape threat.

          • TheMovement

            you are full of shit show me evidence or camralady sending her rape threats.

      • Kyle

        Except that women at least get to choose how they dress.

        A better analogy would be that it’s not your fault if a woman got raped because you tore her clothes off.

        • TheMovement

          LOL not even close.

          a more accurate one would be blaming the stylist who dressed the girl who got raped.

          Eron Gjoni only told of an experience that people used as an excuse.

          • Kyle

            Except that people go to stylists of their own accord. You’re making it sound like she went to Gjoni and asked him to do this.

          • TheMovement

            I said this once and Ill say it again since you seem to not have got it the first time.

            No mature adult doesn’t understand that once you enter someones life you are now part of their life’s story. A mature adult knows that at one point they may come up in what ever conversation/topic the person decides bad or good.

            Hell you don’t even need to be in someones personal life like a girl friend.

            Hell you might come up tonight at dinner as I tell my wife about how I had to explain such a simple concept to you.

          • hams

            He used ‘telling of an experience’ as an excuse for putting her in the sights of thousands of psychopaths

      • Kyle

        That’s a good point about the life story, though. Except that this wasn’t incidental information written into his autobiography. This was a hateful, targeted reaction that was literally titled the “Zoe Quinn Post.” Not him just trying to tell his own story.

        • Alex

          But it HIS story, one that centered around Zoe emotionally abusing him and displaying behaviors at odds with the public persona. He does not lose the right to share personal pain simply because someone else caused it.

        • TheMovement

          see this is how I know either you didn’t read the “Zoe Quinn Post” or you have some sort of bias.

          If you read the post you can see it is all about his life with her and experience with her. He dose almost nothing but talk about how he felt and what he did.

          You can see this the most when he talks about how one day he wakes up hungover after a night of drowning his sorrows and she isn’t next to him.

          he looks at his phone and sees she texted him to come meet her somewhere. with out thinking he just gets up, gets dressed, jumps in a cab and starts headed her way. On the way his brain catches up to him and he remembers how the night before he had found out she was cheating on him. Hence the hang over due to drowning his sorrows.

          This is his life and what she put him through and again he has all the right in the world to talk about it publicly.

      • Mohamed Mahdi

        The problem with that statement is the guy actually did not move away and let the internet deal with the blog post he wrote and answer questions about it on twitter he actually went on the site that people were plotting zoey’s harassment on and started talking and giving these guys a bit more info about zoe.

        • TheMovement

          again show evidence or don’t even bring it up. Its true I have seen evidence that he answered questions from cameralady but to call some one like cameralady a “harasser” is just dishonest.

          again he can talk about it all he wants its part of his personal life.

          • facefault

            >again show evidence or don’t even bring it up.
            >but to call some one like cameralady a “harasser” is just dishonest.

            She absolutely is a harasser. Take a look.
            http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/10/22/gamergater-declares-the-only-harassers-are-anti-ggers-then-sexually-harasses-an-anti-gamergate-woman/
            http://imgur.com/a/Tzs42

            And you already know that Gjoni went and gave her more info.

          • TheMovement

            lol making fun of or mocking people is not harassment.

            I guess that is the real problem isn’t it?

            Its ok if some one mocks camera girl or any other supporter of #gamergate. Hay! they are dirty GGers right? they deserve it.

            if she or any other GGer mocks some one it isn’t mockery its harassment.

            come on be real here….

            I cant just ignore the hypocrisy and blatant attempts of redefining words to fit your bias.

            I just don’t have the stomach for it.

          • facefault

            Repeatedly telling people who aren’t interested in you that you’re going to have sex with them is sexual harassment. It isn’t mockery.

          • TheMovement

            here we go again butchering definitions.

            I’m going to go eat dinner before I lose a couple IQ points explaining how you’re butchering the word harassment.

    • Alex

      “…why Eron Gjoni was justified in and even commendable for revealing personal information” — The only personal information he “revealed” were messages between Zoe and him, and he had every right to do that to back up his story of emotional abuse and manipulation by Zoe.

      “and leading a campaign of hate and death threats” — Except this didn’t happen. His blog even specifically requests that people not do this.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “His blog even specifically requests that people not do this.”

        Well that definitely cancels out those times he called hotels to find where Quinn stayed, then gave this info to her harassers.

        Or those times he said he loved how GG was going and that it could only be better if it drove Quinn into therapy.

        Seriously, Eron is a lying abuser, why would you trust his words over his actions?

        • Alex

          The single time he called a hotel to prove that something negative about Zoe posted by someone else posted was false? And the “harassers” were the ones who posted where she was supposedly staying.

          Your therapy quote is also taken out of context. Zachary, is that you trying to save your bacon?

          And I’m taking Eron’s word because his word is backed up by actual texts, emails, etc., and he didn’t attempt to get an unconstitutional court order by lying to/misleading a judge.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Your therapy quote is also taken out of context.”

            Please explain in what context wanting the movement threatening to rape your ex’s family to death to continue until she’s in therapy would be okay.

          • Alex

            It’s not OK, and Eron never said that. You can continue to spout lies but hopefully posters here will see through them. :)

          • ReallyNotThough
          • Alex

            Argumentation is not your forte, is it. Yes, I know that Eron has said that he hoped Zoe would get therapy. He’s said that a number of times. What he has NOT said, as you have implied above, is that he endorsed threats as a way to get her to go. That is the “out of context” portion of your quote. For example, you also said: “Please explain in what context wanting the movement threatening to rape your ex’s family to death to continue until she’s in therapy would be okay.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, he endorsed GG. GG were the ones threatening to rape her. What else did he mean? That GG would get her health insurance?

            “Please explain in what context wanting the movement threatening to rape your ex’s family to death to continue until she’s in therapy would be okay.””

            Yes. He said that the movement threatening to rape her family to death (GG) was the correct proportion, but hadn’t yet managed to drive her into therapy.

            This is how words work.

          • Alex

            Logic fail again. Some people using the GG hashtag sent threats. GG, however, is a large amorphous group with no leaders. You cannot say that simply because one supports the original motive of GG to bring ethics to journalism that one therefore supports every action taken by an troll who knows how to spell #Gamergate.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Some”

            Try “thousands.”

            “original motive”

            The original motive was to punish Quinn for having sex for imaginary coverage.

            That was the point of the videos that started this.

            Stop lying.

          • Alex

            I *seriously* doubt thousands of different people sent her threats. So stop lying, yourself, you silly exaggerater. “punish Quinn for having sex for imaginary coverage”? I hope you realize that that claim (sex for coverage) was made by someone else, unrelated to Eron, long after his original post, yes? But that does relate to ethics, doesn’t it?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Doubt all you want.

            “was made by someone else,”

            Yes. It was made by IA, when he founded GG. Stop rewriting history.

          • Alex

            Who is IA? And not rewriting anything. Just pointing out your errors. :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Internet Aristocrat. Who made the original video about Quinn having sex for reviews that launched GG.

            Jesus, educate yourself about your own movement.

          • Alex

            Why do you think I’m part of the movement? I’m not. I have peripherally followed it since someone pointed it out a few months back. It’s like a car wreck where you really really want to look away but you can’t. And this hit piece was just too obviously hilariously blatant yellow journalism that I had to stop in and read the comments. Yours have kept me particularly entertained.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure you just come here to lie about a woman you don’t know for no fucking reason at all, checks out

          • GP

            I’m sorry, you must have missed the memo where anything that happens to or is said about Quinn or any others hurt by GG is actually a false flag, anything done by “aGG” (which is such a large, broad category it comprises the majority of the known world) was done by themselves (for fame and fortune) or by trolls.

          • hams

            Ok so you’re a moronic GGer or you’re a moronic troll, uhhh, you sure you want to paint yourself into a corner so quickly?

            “I follow every piece of news within a day of it being posted, and then jump in on the side of GG but….I’m uh…I’m not gg, that’s someone else…uhh…this is just a….hobby.”

          • Alex

            What “every news piece”? This one popped up on my Twitter feed, so I read it. And found it laughably bad.

          • hams

            Hey why don’t you search around and see how prevalent it is. Hey why don’t you look at Michael Dorn’s twitter feed and see how quickly GG jumped in and started ranting because he supported ZQ.

            So moronic gger or moronic troll? Is there even really a difference??

          • Alex

            I know how prevalent it is. That’s irrelevant. You said “every news piece”, implying that I “follow” and “jump in on” many, if not most, news pieces about GG/Quinn/etc, which I don’t. And you may wish to look up the definition of “troll”; protip: it doesn’t mean someone who disagrees with you.

          • hams

            Implying ‘you’ as a group, I had thought that was super obvious from context but hey some people think it is all about themselves!

            I know what troll is and I’m pretty confident that I am using it correctly, thanks for your concern.

          • Pitchguest

            Err. No. You have your threads tangled. That was for an ‘imaginary review’. That didn’t happen. The coverage, however, did. And that *was* a conflict of interest. And that conflict of interest *wasn’t* disclosed. But the thing that made Gamergate blew up wasn’t so much Zoe Quinn’s connection with Nathan Grayson, although it served as a catalyst, it was what happened after when Zoe and her friends decided to censor everything. On Reddit, on Facebook, on Twitter. False-DMCAing videos on YouTube, shadowbanning users. That sort of thing. You think that wouldn’t make people start talking? It’s called the Streisand effect. Look it up.

            Then there were the dozens of articles posted on the same day within hours or minutes of eachother are proclaiming the same thing, that the gamer identity was either dead or over. Which sounded a bit too coordinated to be coincidental, which it turned out it wasn’t when they leaked correspondences from the GameJournoPros list where they planned everything. So yeah, that’s Gamergate. Of course, Zoe wants to focus on the threats she gets – as does Wu, as does Sarkeesian – because all know they’re full of shit. But since they get threats, that everyone on the internet gets and they are not unique or special in the slightest, well then they can just play the victim. Or ironically, in Sarkeesian’s case, the damsel in distress.

            That culmination resulted in Gamergate.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Ironic… I immediately recognize the context of that post… hahaha. Oh wow… some people will stoop to any low… better luck next time with the toxic vitriol there, “Guest”, lol.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            I dunno, I’m disinclined to believe that there are actually thousands of people sending threats. Thousands *endorsing* the threats, sure. But the actual threats tend to come from anons and throwaway accounts, so I expect them be pretty sockpuppet-heavy. Not as many socks per capita as Operation Disrespectful Nod, but still enough to open a particularly disreputable used footwear store.

            You’re right about the original motive of the vids, though.

          • BlazeForDays

            Anyone who sincerely believes “the original motive of GG” was “to bring ethics to journalism” is a clueless, ignorant jackass.

            And by anyone, I mean you.

          • Alex

            I love you too, sweetie.

          • hams

            Oh great please show the actual context of the tweet…oh it got deleted….huh I wonder why that would be? Couldn’t be that it was exactly as it looks and he wanted to hide it??

          • hams

            OH SHIT. See now THAT’S a smoking gun. It’s not 100% perfect proof, but it’s 100x more convincing than anything the melvins have dredged up.

  • Pierre

    Kyle – best response would be to tell you to read the original zoepost in full.

    https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

    Further to this, you could check out Eron’s personal response to this piece, where he goes into some depth regarding the dishonesty of this piece’s author.

    http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1

  • Andrea Porzio

    if GG is really a criminal organization I’m sure the FBI will look into it and pursue them

    • ReallyNotThough

      They are, actually. Benji’s already on the run.

      But, on a more basic level, if your main argument is that your harassment movement, though horrible and abusive, hasn’t yet been prosecuted en masse by the feds, you might be in some trouble.

      • Andrea Porzio

        reallnotthough you must have made a few hundreds of comments on this article. for someone who has no vested interest you are sure passionate about it.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “for someone who has no vested interest”

          When did I say that? I have an interest in not having every geek event for the rest of my lifetime ruined by you chucklefucks.

          Have you noticed how GG swtiches topics whenever they’re unable to argue actual facts?

          Hmm, I wonder if non-cults have to do that…

          • Andrea Porzio

            yes, if it wasn’t for corageous people like you, amazing games like Depression Quest wouldn’t receive their rightful amount of coverage from game reviewers.
            keep writing hundreds of posts everyday against GG, the FBI is gonna reward your contributions against this criminal organization.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Another rapid topic switch,

            Um, pretty sure most of DQ’s coverage has been related to that whole movement based on abusing and harassing its creator for no fucking reason.

            If you don’t like having Quinn in the news, maybe not lying about and harassing her constantly would be a good first step.

          • Andrea Porzio

            so the raving reviews for this fantastic and groundbreaking game that I cannot play because of my outdated graphic card wouldn’t have been written if it wasn’t for GG? maybe the game was released on Steam because Steam people being clairvoyant knew about GG even before its beginning.

          • ReallyNotThough

            What raving reviews?

            It’s released on steam because people voted for it on greenlight.

            Like, what exactly is your argument here, even?

          • Andrea Porzio

            those mentioned in the Wikipedia page, but maybe GG people wrote them to make ZQ look bad. I’m gonna try to submit my awesome game Pong (1972) to Greenlight since their viewers are so welcoming to indie developers.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh?

            So now you’re opposed to free speech by critics.

            Okay.

          • hams

            Keep chasing your tail! It’s like watching a scoobie doo chase scene. No telling what door you’ll come through next!

          • BlazeForDays

            Don’t worry *too* much about that. The overwhelming majority of these morons don’t have what it takes to so much as open their mouths in actual, face-to-face situations. The closest anyone has come was a group of MRA-affiliated shitbags trying to sell GG prints at a show.

      • Andrea Porzio

        so far the FBI didn’t find anything about them, those GGers must be evil geniuses to cover their tracks so well or maybe they have connections with powerful and influential people.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Huh wonder why there’s a federal warrant for Benji then

          • Andrea Porzio

            just one guy? but then again you tell me that GGers is just one guy with multiple sock accounts.

          • ReallyNotThough

            holy shit where are those goalposts where did they go

          • Andrea Porzio

            I forgot there’s lot of neckbeards in drag and in blackface pretending to pass for women and minorities under the hashtag notyourshield.

          • ReallyNotThough

            wow amazing non sequitur I give you 4 Montys out of a Python

    • Woody

      “Army of thousands”

      Yet the FBI and the sub human animals that are doing the finger pointing don’t know who any of them are!

      We just have to take their word for it. Could just be a 14 year old SJW kid in his bedroom running the entire thing for all we know.

      Meanwhile a few Twitter trolls send threats to a woman in the UK and the British police arrest them within days, they are up in court, convicted and jailed.

      Something smells funny about the entire thing.

      • ReallyNotThough

        “don’t know who any of them are!”

        Pretty sure we know who Milo is.

        • Woody

          You have evidence of journalist sending threats? Why hasn’t he been arrested? Did you tell the FBI?

          Oh right because he didn’t send anyone a threat!

          You are a sub human worthless animal inciting hatred against innocent people and you have ZERO EVIDENCE and you don’t know who any of the people doing it are.

          People like you ceased having a place on this planet in 1945.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. Milo threatened that he would do to Randi Harper what he did to Shanley Kane.

            We also have evidence of him doxing, harassing, and organizing brigade harassment.

            If your best argument is “we’re just abusive enough to avoid arrest” you might not actually be in an ethical movement.

          • Woody

            Now tell the good folks what he did to Shanley Kane.

            Please link evidence to the rest as sub human animals like you who incite hatred have weird definitions of things. So show the good people exactly what you are referring to.

            Stop upvoting your posts, I warned you about that earlier.

            Stop stalking Quinn and posting her private information online whilst you are at it. It is creepy and won’t get her attention in the way that you would like.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Wrote a hit piece about her sex life and encouraged thousands of GG to harass her?

          • Woody

            I don’t want your sub human animal description of it.

            Post the link. EVIDENCE.

            The “hit piece” was nothing of the sort and there was no encouragement of anyone to harass anyone. Again please post evidence of Milo asking people to harass.

            If someone roams the internet bullying, harassing and inciting hatred, and a journalist writes an article demonstrating this with evidence to support it, it is not a “hit piece”. Rather it is truthful reporting that we expect of such matters.

            In the same way we expect the media to report on that Cop who shot the black guy in the back. Was that a “hit piece”?!?!?

            Links please.

            Also if you think a crime was committed, please tell the FBI.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “sub human”

            This is why no-one likes GG and everyone wants you to go away forever, btw

          • Woody

            No evidence posted I see…

            As I said before, people who incite hatred against entire demographics and millions of innocent people are on the same level as Herman and Adolf.

            Same behaviour, just different targets.

            They are sub human, lower than any form of life on earth and worse than anything I have ever trod in.

            We hung what was left of you lot in 1945. The world decided that there was no place for your type of behaviour any more and yet sadly you guys have started doing it again.

            Stop upvoting your own posts. It is embarrassing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Herman and Adolf.”

            If you want to Godwin, don’t lead by referring to your enemies as subhuman.

          • Woody

            Still no evidence from you…

            When you incite hatred against millions of innocent people, you don’t get to shout “Godwin” when people compare you with those most famous for that behaviour.

            “Godwin” is called when that subject is raised during a silly conversation about One Direction or something.

            When we actually have sub human animals genuinely inciting mass hatred against millions of innocent people, the comparison with 1930’s/40’s Germany is absolutely relevant and not in anyway a debating fallacy.

            You and your friends are the real deal. You really are doing it and inciting hatred against entire demographics with absolutely no evidence to support any of it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            dig, dig, dig that whole

            maybe go play with your toys, no-one’s stopping you

          • Woody

            Going no where.

            As I said, my game (it is like WoW only more rewarding) is to keep you sub human animals fully engaged here as it prevents you spreading your toxic, vile, hate-fuelled ideology and inciting hatred elsewhere.

            In WoW terms my role is to “tank” you.

            People who incite hatred against millions of innocent people need to be contained. That was where the world made a mistake in the 1930’s. They went and “played with their toys” and sub human animals like yourself killed millions of innocent people as a result.

          • hams

            Uh…you realize GG already has a formidable reputation as a hate group right? The horse is out of the stable bud. Or if you want it in wow terms, your dumbass was afk during the pull and now you think you can tank the encounter solo.

          • Woody

            Yes I do realise that.

            You sub human worthless animals incited hatred against millions of innocent people by accusing them of sending threats when even the FBI have no idea who did it.

            Instead of finding out who sent the threats and bringing them to justice, you sub human vile animals went on a media blitz and chose the atomic bomb approach by indiscriminately attacking and inciting hatred against millions of innocent “gamers”.

            The Jewish people had a bad reputation in German in the late 30’s/early 40’s even though they had done nothing wrong and were totally innocent.

            Just because a person is a victim of sub humans who incite hatred, doesn’t make them guilty of a crime.

            As I say, give the evidence to the FBI, lets get the handful of people sending threats into prisons. Don’t incite hatred against millions.

            You have no evidence. The FBI have no evidence.

            All we have is your sub human vile hate speech.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Well said… proud GG’er myself. Was posting quite a bit earlier today. Been going an extra mile to tinker with a bit of extra browser-coding to better “filter” certain Disqus comments… phew.

            Anywho, agree wholeheartedly… the anti-GG keep tossing around the labels, the libel, the stereotype demeaning buzzwords, the segregation… yet want to say that GG are the haters and misogynists. What I can’t wrap my head around is… if GamerGate hates women so badly, and anti-GG are supposed to be the white knights of women… why did Honey Badger Brigade not only get evicted and banned from Calgary Expo, being a majority of women, for only displaying GamerGate logos… but also later get further harassed when the Expo called the police on them for having a friendly picnic in a nearby public park? Could it be that Anti-GG are all about exiling women, at least those that won’t drink the kool-aid, from the gaming playing-field all together? :-/

            As for other things the anti-GG side has done… the list is pretty damn long… have repeated it a few times today. I’m not saying GG is completely innocent either, there’s bad apples in ever crowd… which is why for awhile I wanted to believe that anti-GG just had its bad apples… but then you dig deeper and find out that the top tiers leading the charge of anti-GG actually tend to be the perpetrators/instigators.

          • hams

            lol you’re a real goof. I guess that was supposed to rile me up or something? I know someone else already pointed it out, but calling someone sub-human and comparing them to nazis is a little too ironic, even for you.

            One more thing, GG isn’t millions of people, it’s barely out of 5 digits.

          • Woody

            Nazis incited hatred against millions of innocent people without foundation.

            Nazis are sub human animals.

            You incited hatred against millions of innocent people without foundation.

            Cobble together some braincells and do the rest of the equation.

            Sub human animals like you love semantics. You incited vile hatred against “GAMERS”.

            Again before you do your sub human semantics thing, the only definition of “gamers” that counts is the definition used by the general public.

            When you publish hate speech in the mainstream media like the Guardian it is the publics definition that matters.

            At the end of the day you and the FBI have ZERO EVIDENCE.

            We on the other hand have a tonne of vile hate speech and stories inciting hatred that are still available to be viewed on the BBC and Guardian websites just as two examples.

            Pretty clear who the sub human animals are as the evidence is only pointing at you. That won’t change until you and the FBI can tell us who is behind these accounts that sent threats to people like Quinn.

            I mean the people sending the threats are clearly sub human animals.

            We have established that you and your cult are sub human animals who will gladly incite hatred.

            So if we were looking for a likely candidate for whoever was behind those Twitter accounts….hmmmm

          • Mr Snow

            It only has that reputation with the anti crowd. Because the other people with sense know the truth.

          • hams

            Wow interesting, all the non-gg media that exists seems to think otherwise. What other people do you think actually give a shit about GG and their ‘ethics’ crusade?

          • Andrea Porzio

            wow, I wonder why this Milo guy isn’t alredy in jail with such a criminal record.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Arguing that you’re just abusive enough to stay out of jail is not something actual ethical movements do

          • Mr Snow

            “Threatened what he would do”

            Oh, you mean do what journalists are supposed to do, expose the truth, lies, and corruption, around us?

          • Spikier Than Thou

            … If he’s a journalist, isn’t he supposed to just publish this stuff? He claims to have dirt on GameJournoPros that he *covered up* in favour of printing boring stuff that makes GJP look harmless. He claims to have dirt about FreeBSDGirl – that, again, he *covered up* in favour of printing a hitpiece sourced from Encyclopædia Dramatica. (And he somehow ‘forgot’ to disclose his personal involvement in the story…)

  • gordon_wagner

    What was “Zoe’s” birth gender? This story is really weird and has been drawn out endlessly.

    • #AYYTEAMLMAO

      what birth gender? she posted a lot of her naked photos for sale when she was teen if you think that is not a women

    • Spikier Than Thou

      Completely irrelevant.

  • Matt Story

    Open comments on an article about a target of an online harassment campaign? That’s a GREAT idea, Boston Magazine.

    • molinator

      And the better thing to do is suppress reasonable discussion? Moderators can delete posts if it gets out of hand, but stuff like this deserves a hefty comment thread.

      • Matt Story

        Not having a comments section is not “suppress[ing] reasonable discussion”. This might shock you, but when I was a kid, no news articles had comments sections. EVERY NEWS SOURCE IN THE WORLD WAS SUPPRESSING US HOW DID WE EVEN SURVI– actually it was no big deal and we all still had freedom of speech.

    • Mr Snow

      Oh, the “targetted harassment” she made up herself?

      • Spikier Than Thou

        Still spreading that hoax?

        If she’d fabricated the harrassment, how come there have been no arrests? It’s not like the police don’t know where to find Gamergaet’s targets.

        • hams

          wow can’t BELIEVE they haven’t answered this one yet, what a….surprise

      • Matt Story

        No, I mean the targeted harassment that anyone with Twitter can see with their own eyes. If you’re going to deny what’s sitting there for everyone to see, I can hook you up with my creationist friends.

    • Mr Snow

      I guess calling someone out for ethical breaches in journalist / subject relationship is “targetted” harassment now.

      • Matt Story

        If eight months of rape and murder threats are what you call “calling someone out”, please limit your contact with other human beings.

  • #AYYTEAMLMAO

    #AYYTEAM claims this

  • SirKamyk

    Okay, now after reading this terribly biased rubbish, I implore anyone who wants to develop an OBJECTIVE view of events to go and read The Zoe Post. This, of course, is completely biased also, but from the opposite side of the debate. It also, unlike this article, provides evidence for its statements.
    Now, I don’t know if posting links is against the rules or not, so I won’t post a link to it. But a simple google search will very easily find it.

    Now, regarding this article, there are some things wrong with it. For example, it states that the gaming community has been a sexist one towards women and resembling a teenage boy’s basement den, to paraphrase. This is not true, and to be honest, quite offensive to the gaming community. I have loved video games my whole life. I have NEVER ONCE encountered a misogynist gamer. Or even anybody living in the basement of their house! And trust me, this is not because I just don’t have any friends. I do. I have friends who are gamers who are not sexist.

    One more thing, concerning GTA V…I do not think the author of this article actually has played the game. The game does not, in any way, “encourage” anyone to kill prostitutes. Yes, it is something you CAN DO in the game, just like you can also not do it and abide by all laws of society if you so wish. The degree of freedom is one reason for which it is considered an excellent game. You can do whatever you want within the game, just like you can do whatever you want in real life. You can kill prostitutes in real life ergo you can also do it in GTA, because GTA seeks to emulate and parody real life to a certain extent. The ignorance of the author here is very noticeable.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “Go read the abuser’s account of WHY he had to hurt her”

      JFC Gamergate is garbage

      • SirKamyk

        Yes, precisely. Go, read it. Look at the screenshots, the evidence, and yes, the biased explanations. Read it all. You might not change your mind. I don’t care, but looking at both sides of the issue is important.

        P.S I am in no way affiliated with GamerGate and have never used the tag, though admittedly I am usually supportive of them (not sexism or bigotry – I am supportive of the portion of GamerGate that is for ethics in game journalism and nothing else).

        • ReallyNotThough

          No. I’m not a wifebeater, I don’t believe anyone makes someone hurt them.

          Go away forever.

          • SirKamyk

            I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you just wrote. You don’t believe anyone makes someone hurt them? I’m not trying to be nasty or anything here, I’m just having trouble making sense of that sentence. What do you mean?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You don’t believe anyone makes someone hurt them?”

            Yes. Quinn didn’t make Gjoni abuse her.

            She just didn’t. Stop believing abusers.

          • SirKamyk

            Of course she didn’t make him abuse her. If the violence allegations are true, Gjoni is a disgusting human being. BUT just because Gjoni is a bad human being does not mean Quinn is a good human being. In what Gjoni posted about Quinn however he presents evidence that Quinn cheated on him. Now, me, personally, I believe that evidence. I also believe that he is a piece of crap for abusing her, but I ALSO believe that cheating on another person in a relationship is disgusting and I do not like how Quinn is presented as an angel who can do no wrong here.

          • GP

          • Pitchguest

            According to the conversations between Zoe and Gjoni, it was Zoe that abused Gjoni and not the other way around. She doesn’t even mention anything about physical violence. She implies it was his fault he cheated on her and she says, in no uncertain terms, that, by her own definition, she ‘raped’ Gjoni when she didn’t tell him that she had been having sex with other people the day before or just hours before they did and not told him. That is emotional abuse.

            To then turn it around and say that Gjoni is the perpetrator is just vile.

        • hams

          Ok so what part of that document is specifically about journalism? I’m pretty sure it’s 99% about defaming his ex. Even this article has nothing to do with games journalism. Why are you here if you don’t care about anything else?

          • Alex

            “I’m pretty sure it’s 99% about defaming his ex” — Well, except that it’s backed up with actual screen shots of chat logs, posts, messages, etc. It can’t be defamation if it’s true. And I’ve never seen anywhere that Zoe has said anything in the TheZoePost is false.

          • hams

            ACTUAL SCREENSHOTS??? WOW!! UNFAKEABLE!!

            Yeah actually it can be defamation, especially when taken out of context and combined with the narrative of a bitter crybaby, then followed by a horde of screaming melvins.

            Zoe is moving up in the world, you, gonad, and the rest of GG are sinking back into the sludge you came from. Be mad if you want, it hasn’t helped so far.

          • Alex

            I’m not mad. You seem to be the one with anger issues. :) And no, a true statement cannot be defamation, and Zoe has never denied that she cheated on Eron or claimed that any of the numerous screenshots he posted are doctored or fake.

          • hams

            Fake surprise isn’t the same thing as anger but interesting concept making the conversion I guess. You’re going to keep claiming it’s all 100% true and proven and the rest of the developed world is just going to keep laughing at you and your kind.

          • Alex

            You haven’t addressed the fact that Zoe has not denied it’s true, and her only recourse to stop Eron from sharing his story was to get an unconstitutional gag order. Note that she did not sue for or even accuse him of libel or defamation. Because what he wrote is true and the evidence he provided backs that up. The “rest of the developed world” in your statement is nothing more than a few muckraking media outlets and a few opportunistic Twitter users.

          • hams

            I don’t need to address it because it’s not relevant. If you call me a space alien I’m not required to tell everyone on earth that I’m not.

            Ok, I’ll be sure to watch CNN for the next BIG news piece about the incredible ethics breakthroughs from GG. I’m sure they’ll be quick to talk about all the famous heroes of GG like…uh….the youtube guy that hates women…and..the other youtube guy that hates women….oh and the guy from Firefly, incredible line up. Extremely important group, lots of caring.

          • Alex

            Yeah, actually it is relevant. In fact, it is one the key issues. A true statement cannot be libelous. Period.

          • hams

            Sweet tautology bro. You still haven’t proven that it’s true, OR relevant. Should I wait or do you need to go jerk off into a furby or something

          • Mohamed Mahdi

            She only got the gag order once he started obsessively talking about her on twitter and other sites and talking to the crowd that was harassing her and helping them at times, giving more info about her and etc.The gag order was not because of the blog post. He still talks to people who harassed Zoe on twitter sadly.

          • SirKamyk

            No part of it is specifically about journalism. Depending on how you look at it, it’s either defaming his ex, or exposing his ex’s personality as a compulsive liar and cheater.

            I didn’t say I don’t care about anything else – just that I support GamerGate only in their campaign for ethics in game journalism. I’m sorry if this was unclear. Personally, I have not made up my mind if I believe Gjoni or Quinn, and there are reasons to be skeptical of them both.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            As an extension, a look at her character as a liar, cheater, and even manipulator could extend further into her involvement in the gaming-industry, the coverage she got, even the awards she was given. I mean seriously… of ALL the thousand and/or millions of indy games, Depression Quest got all the many awards it did? What!? o.O

          • hams

            Regardless whether it was a smear or an expose, it was done in a matter that strongly implies (and he has further corroborated) he meant to do her harm by it. There is a big difference between warning the next guy in the relationship and defaming her in front of many thousands of people that have no relationship to her whatsoever.

            As long as GG isn’t condemning Gorpi, it is being complicit in what amounts to the social media equivalent of terrorism. I actually believe there are GG people that only care about games journalism (I don’t know why) but as long as they allow themselves to be associated with misogynists, denialists, and conspiracy theorists (this thread is packed with them) they are part of the problem. The very idea of GG has been tainted by bad behavior. Ditch the trolls, ditch the famous misogynists like Milo and thunderf00t, ditch the name, and stay focused on the issues, then nobody will have anything to complain about anymore.

          • SirKamyk

            Fair enough. Yes, I agree in that everyone should stay focused on the issues, although I fear that some people will always find things to complain about.
            For my own education, can you link me evidence pointing to Thunderf00t and Milo being misogynists, or tell me where to look for it? I personally have watched some of Thunderf00t’s YouTube videos and found no misogyny in them, but that was only some of his videos. I would appreciate if you could point me to sources that link them to hating women :)

          • hams

            Being anti-feminist is being anti-women. Feminism is a movement created by and for women to address the extremely well documented problems in society. They were around decades before videogames were even a concept. Their (GG) media is riddled with anti-feminist diatribes and incitements. I could spend a half hour wrangling together 50 examples or you could look at some more of it with a critical eye.

            Trust me, GG does NOT need dudes like Milo and Thunderf00t, nobody does.

          • SirKamyk

            Oh, right. Yes, I have noticed Thunderf00t likes to slander feminists to the point of hating feminism.

            However, I have never seen him criticize true feminists, only radical feminists of the misandrist variety. By true feminists I mean those who want equality in society, and not people like Jessica Valenti who think men should be paid less than women.

            It is very unfortunate that Thunderf00t seems to think that that is what feminism is, and in that respect he is misguided. Having said that, if he knew what actual feminism was, I do not think he would hate on it. It is this very vocal group of people who call themselves feminists that give feminism a bad name, and as far as I have seen, that is who Thunderf00t slanders.

            In the developed world, women are legally equal to men. The feminists who were fighting for equal rights in the past have stopped fighting because, well, the battle is done, feminism has pretty much won, in first world countries that is. That’s what I see at least.

            This new brand of feminism should not be called feminism I do not think. They are an embarrassment to the origins of feminism. So yes, I believe you are correct in asserting that anti-feminism = anti-women, IF by feminism we mean the traditional definition of feminism – fighting for equal rights between the sexes. However, anti-radical-feminism I do not believe equals anti-women. And I THINK (based on what I’ve seen of Thunderf00t’s content) that he is anti-radical-feminism and not anti-feminism. He seems to want equal rights.

          • hams

            Dude back extremely the fuck up if you think you’re going to give a lesson to me about what feminism is. You don’t get to define it, and some youtube slob definitely doesn’t get to either. I’m a vocal feminist, I know a shitload of them. None of them say “oh he doesn’t mean ‘us’ when he talks about feminists, he’s talking about ‘the bad ones'” Feminism has a long well-documented history and it’s better educated and more inclusive now than it has ever been. So fuck off with that new vs old shit.

            Equal rights vs feminism is one of those idiotic platitudes that misogynists like to roll out. It makes it seem like they aren’t trying to hold women back because the rationalization is that well, men are being held back by women *too* (somehow, it never gets explained in detail) and in equal amounts. So if women would just work harder to help men out, it will somehow even out.

            If you don’t think sexism exists, hop off, this is your stop, good bye. If you think men have it equally as bad despite being in nearly every leadership position both private and government: Have fun in bermuda, watch the door, etc..

            If you accept that there is a disparity (if you don’t, stop reading remember?) then you should consider how disgusting it is of anyone to suggest that women are required to lobby for anyone other than themselves. Do you expect the poor to lobby for extra rights for the rich and powerful? Should black people give up their work and lobby for white people instead?

            Not you, or thundershit or anyone else has a right to tell people what is important to them. If he wants to incite hate against women because they aren’t trying to help the poor poor men, he’s a piece of shit.

            All groups have radicals, GG seems to think they aren’t responsible for theirs but want to hold feminism responsible for theirs. (I’ve seen about 100x more radical misogynists/racists than I have radical feminists in my entire life. They’re basically a boogie man that people like thunderfart wheel out when they want views)

            tl;dr If you want equal rights, you start by bringing up the side farthest down, full stop.

          • SirKamyk

            I am sorry for making it seem like I think I am an expert on feminism. All I have seen of it in MY personal life, is a couple of feminist friends I have. Truth be told, they haven’t given me the best impression of the movement. So, I conducted my own research and it really does seem like the most vocal groups of feminists on the internet are quite simply misandrist. I am aware of some that actually want equal rights however. Maybe I have been looking in all the wrong places.
            I don’t want women to stand up for men, or blacks to stand up for whites, or any of that.
            While it does look like in the United States there are lots of racism issues, I will allow myself to say that women are being no more oppressed over there than in European countries. As in, they have the same rights and the same opportunities. Or rather they would have the same opportunities if they made the same professional decisions. There is nothing keeping women out of any profession, at least in my country. There IS a disparity in the amounts the two sexes earn, and there IS a difference in the types of jobs the two sexes tend to hold. Like you said, men tend to occupy more managerial, administrative, and therefore higher-paying, positions.

            However, this might very well be because men, on average, tend to (I’m gonna get ripped apart for this aren’t I) be more ambitious in their fields. They are more likely to be ruthless and aggressive. Traits which are often seen negatively but in the highly competitive work environment are very helpful.

            So now, legally speaking, the tables are even. As in, men and women, on paper, have equal rights. If this puts women at a disadvantage then even-ing this disadvantage out will mean having to legally tip the tables in the women’s favour. In which case, this will not be legal equality any more.

            But that is just my opinion. If you can be bothered to explain to me (God knows this is a lot of typing :P) how you think women are discriminated against, please do so. You might persuade me, you never know.

      • Mr Snow

        He wanted to vent. He vented. Lots of people feel like venting when someone ruins their lives.

        • Mackenzie B. Morris

          “venting” hahaha what disingenuous bullshit

          • Mr Snow

            Plenty of people write things just like he did. But because your e-jesus had her feelings hurt while she bangs another rich guy’s kid, you think he’s a villain.

          • Mackenzie B. Morris

            I don’t think he’s a villain, because I live in reality. I do think he’s an unrepentant shithead with a martyr complex though!

          • hams

            “Plenty of people write things just like he did.”

            But they tend not to post them on two of the biggest gaming forums on the internet, to a group of people that have a habit of harassing the subject of the ‘venting’. Think about it.

          • Pitchguest

            Tell me, which are ‘two of the biggest gaming forums on the internet’?

          • hams

            Do I need to hold your hand? Read the article. Does he deny posting to those forums before it ‘magically’ showed up on 4chan?

            I’m sensing you’re going to go the complete dipshit route and claim that ‘well *pushes up glasses* akshually the biggest gaming forum is xyz so your argument is invalid henhhehnhe” Give it a shot but it’s already bullshit.

          • Mr Snow

            He posted the “zoe post” to his personal blog. That was read by like just his friends. Then other people found it, and cherry picked what they wanted to use for their narrative against him.

          • hams

            Hmm how did they find it? Oh right he posted it to SomethingAwful and the Penny Arcade forums, they deleted it and then it magically appeared on 4chan. Then he didn’t delete it from his blog. He still hasn’t. He hasn’t stopped talking about it, he hasn’t stopped engaging with those allied with the abusers. He deliberately spread it to where it would do the most damage and he hasn’t done anything significant whatsoever to mitigate the harm. The most he’s done is enough to claim plausible deniability while continuing to stoke the flames.

        • Geoffrey Whittaker

          Venting like that is a bit childish, but it would be…not okay, but not monstrous.

          But in his own words Gjoni indicated he wanted to spark harassment against Quinn. He was quite successful, it appears. And that’s not okay. I can’t fathom why so many people defend him.

    • So obvi

      WHY WOULD ANYONE GO READ ” THE ZOE POST ” ???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA – Anyone who ever gave this kid the time of day is a complete loser, like him. I cannot believe how lame this whole thing makes the “gamer community” look… oh wait, yes I can.

      • SirKamyk

        I cannot tell if you called me or Gjoni a loser, but either way that comment strikes me as more than a bit childish. I just want people to look at both sides of the story. Honestly, it doesn’t take that long. I promise it will not hurt you, or turn you into a psychopath or anything like that. Just read it. Because it seems to me like the only thing you’re basing your judgments on is this article, and frankly, it’s not hard at all to realise that this article is very, very biased.
        Don’t get me wrong, it MIGHT be right. But because it is subjective, before making any judgment on the situation it would be wise to consider the flip side of the argument.

        • So obvi

          Nah man I am referring to gjoni…and I am also referring to ppl who took his side and sent death threats to the poor girl. It really makes you realize where we are at in today’s society. Literally, anyone with any sort of life… would never bother partaking. He knew what he was doing. She has a better job and more money than him, so he tried to ruin that for her by getting all the other losers riled up. I will never even google search his little blog. Childish? take a step back and reconsider the topic, bro.

          • Alex

            So you have formed your opinion of this incident without even reading what he wrote? Don’t you think that reading his side of the story is required for your opinion to have even the slightest smidgen of merit?

          • SirKamyk

            Okay, I do apologise for this, perhaps ad hominem attack, but, I do believe what you’re exhibiting is called willful ignorance. Still, I cannot make you read anything you do not want to read. I do hope others will though.

          • GP

          • SirKamyk

            I’m sure that video is relevant somehow. Still, nice to know that posting links is allowed.

          • hams

            lol I’m playin this because I love this song

          • GP

            Me tooo! I love the original too, but I’m Canadian so there is a special place in my heart for Feist.

          • So obvi

            Well, I’m not sure why you hope people will read his little blog. Willful ignorance? Sure, I will give you that. Sounds to me like you are a supporter of his. Maybe you are him? Maybe, just maybe… you think that what he did is ‘ok’? Well, my son, what took place between that little boy, and that little girl… is none of my concern, or yours. And that is what my comments are about. This article is as absurd as the Zoe blog or whatever it’s called. I know that WITHOUT seeing it. The fact that he is not in jail, or a mental hospital… is what grabs my attention. He is unstable. His inability to think clearly, and is irrationality brought him to the point of no return. Deal with it, bro. This is my last post on the matter as I now realize I am basically arguing with a child, about what happened between two children I don’t know personally. Wow, that is insane. I cannot have that on my mind as a drive home to the wife and kids.

          • SirKamyk

            Well, now I am genuinely perplexed as to why you would want to form a strong opinion on what happened based on a source you admit is absurd. I do not think that calling me a child was necessary, and I do not understand what you are getting worked up about, which it seems like you are. If you’re not, sorry for my assumption. I just want people to look at all available evidence before forming strong opinions.
            My apologies if I have taken too much time out of your day with my efforts. Sure man, have a good day with your family :)

          • So obvi

            Yea

          • hams

            I read the ZP, it was a waste of time. I feel like all the ‘evidence’ that GGers throw out is designed to waste time. I’ve seen a handful of screenshots 10x more damning to Egon than all the dozens of blog posts and videos of GG combined.

          • SirKamyk

            Then I’ll be very interested in seeing those screenshots. Do you still have access to them?

          • hams

            The thread is littered with them. Here’s one of them https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fidledillettante.files.wordpress.com%2F2014%2F11%2Fc0deebc4977b41163de1b0eac0e398f5.png&key=NW3-GuwNVUvxUaEMIWkWMA&w=800&h=85

            In regards to the zoepost backlash he not only approves but thinks it hasn’t gone far enough since she’s not ‘in therapy’.

            Diehard GGers will respond in one of two ways. They’ll say it’s out of context but will be unable to prove it since everythings been long deleted (criminals don’t like leaving too much evidence) or they’ll say it’s faked, which is about as likely as the rest of their ‘evidence’ being faked

      • Mohamed Mahdi

        I read it. I also looked at the guys twitter profile a lot and other sources after he posted it and decided to not believe what he wrote in that 9000 word post.

    • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

      Btw, just FYI, you can post links… just have to paste the URL and it auto turns into a clickable link. ^_^

      • SirKamyk

        Cheers :)

  • Andrea Porzio

    I have evidence that many anti-GG harrassed me and my friends.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Sure, maybe if you hadn’t just spent hours lying on this very thread people would care.

      • Woody

        You mentioned Milo earlier.

        You saw what he was sent in the post right? The mouse with the razor blade embedded in it?

        Now shall I wait until the police find the individual who did it, or shall I be like you and accuse millions of innocent people of doing it.

        Hmmm…..nah I won’t stoop to your level.

        An individual person sent that mouse, not an entire demographic. I won’t blame innocent people for it.

        Oh but wait, aren’t I supposed to be the one in a hate group?! ROFL.

        • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

          I know right? I really think the SJWs and anti-GG are on to something… perhaps if I make a few extra accounts on here and post nasty stuff to myself, I can make millions and billions too in sympathy funding. Oh wait… that won’t work, because sadly I’m a typical cis-male over-privileged white male… though, still waiting for my privilege to show up… damn postal system, only about a few decades late on delivery, but hey, what’s a few years give or take.

    • Environment Grad

      Haha did they tell you were misogynistic? Or did they threaten to violently rape you in every hole until you were a bloody pulp before publishing your home address, SSN, and personal cell which prompted you to have to leave your home and fear for your genuine safety plus the police can’t help you?

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Oh, I’m sure if there was something actually credible or worthy of going after, the police and FBI would indeed be helping. In other news, it’s been mentioned around the webs for a bit, that Sarkeesian may be being investigated for wire-fraud… wonder how many of her buddies will go down on that same sinking ship. #GG

        • Environment Grad

          Threats are credible. If they wrote down their messages and mailed it to these people they would be investigated, but it’s abundantly clear that the police either can’t figure out social media or don’t care. Cops sadly don’t care until someone is hurt.

          Also show me one non-gg website about that slanderous bit about Sarkeesian, oh that’s right, it’s just lies spread by trolls.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Well, I guess the big problem there is credibility OF the threats. Cyber-threats are taken very seriously now, and are viewed as equivalent or worse than RL in-person threats… yet oddly, for all the supposed threats that have been made… there’s been no busts, no arrests, etc. Feel free to do a Google search on people that have been busted for making threats on social media, swatting, etc… yet, ironically, I can’t think of any major news buzz about any major bust involving anybody remotely connected to GamerGate.

            BTW, it’s not exactly mature of your side to claim it’s all lies by trolls without ever investigating it, etc. Since I don’t know what you’d consider a “neutral” source… I encourage you to simply Google search “anita sarkeesian wire fraud”. You see, when a person claims something has happened, and nothing credible can be found… and right after they ask for money and funding out of sympathy, that constitutes wire-fraud. A handful of independent journalists called the local police departments in her area over some of the “scares” she claims to have reported and that the FBI was supposedly involved in. They couldn’t find any record of her calling, or any reports being made… and the first thing they typically tell people is to NOT broadcast it to the public as it could make matters much worse.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Oooh, and this I wasn’t aware of… here’s Zoe Quinn doxxing a wikipedia ?mod(s)?… though I also read on that same page that she even doxxed a minor posting pictures and info on them… they have a screenshot of it linked (may have to click on the image once to zoom it in), showing spaces where they try to sneak the info in, in different places, like it’s an “encyclopedia read”: http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2fvt9n/zoe_links_a_doxx_to_wikipedia_editors_who_tried/

            (^ If you think it’s biased, feel free to Google, seems there’s dozens of sources on this…)

            EDIT: WOAH, I won’t share a direct link to the UNCENSORED version, since it seems there is indeed LOTS of personal information doxxed in it… but there are SEVERAL sites that have the original saved, in a sort of “way-back-machine” fashion, if one Google searches… and yeah, reading through it… they list ages, locations, jobs, real names, etc. O.O

          • Pitchguest

            Hardly a surprise that Zoe Quinn likes doxxing people when she used to be a member of Helldump, a doxxer’s paradise on Something Awful. Now defunct, I believe. ‘Crippling helldump addiction’ I think she called it.

          • hams

            If GG actually believed two wrongs don’t make a right….there would be no GG

    • Environment Grad

      After looking at some of your thoughts about women on your Disqus page, I’d like to encourage you to talk about your feelings with a professional Andrea. Your posts about women sound about as balanced as Elliot Rodger.

      • Andrea Porzio

        I’m a transgender woman, don’t be so transphobic, dude.

        • GP

          How does that change their point?

          • Dean Brown

            Also looking through his comments it’s clear he’s lying in any case.

          • GP

            Wow that’s some scuzzy biz.

    • Sue

      Well, I’m sure you’ve had your fair share of harassment your entire life, seeing as though you have a girl’s name. Just suck it up and be a man, isn’t that what you stand for?

  • Andrea Porzio

    I once commented how ZQ doesn’t look good with bright colored hair, I guess that makes me guilty of misogynistic harrassment.

    • ReallyNotThough

      It makes it seem like you have an incredibly depressing life, so there’s that.

      • Andrea Porzio

        I wish I could play Depression Quest to heal my suffering.
        but then again you’re being ableist against me, you oppressive White cis hetero privileged shitlord!

        • ReallyNotThough

          this is sad

          • So obvi

            AGREED. Porzio, kid get a life.

        • hams

          No no, your LIFE is depressing. As in it induces sadness to think about it. Please try harder to understand what ableist means.

    • hams

      Yeah that’s how it works. It also makes you a moron for thinking any woman would give a shit what some melvin thinks about her personal appearance.

    • Woody

      Tbh though, attack her for her actions and in particular her hate speech and inciting hatred against millions of innocent people.

      Don’t attack her appearance, that ain’t cool.

      • Mr Snow

        Well, she’s a chunk monster

        • Woody

          I don’t like her because she incited hatred against millions of innocent gamers.

          I can’t condone your ad hominem attacks though. I don’t approve.

          You are welcome to disagree though and with what she has done I won’t stand in your way or argue the toss any more.

          I just don’t want any part of it.

          • Mr Snow

            I think she’s ugly inside and out. Also, she’s fat.

            Also, I think you’re an idiot.

          • Woody

            Kind of ironic, I spent an entire day trying to combat sub human SJW extremist animals in here. They threw their best at me.

            Yet the thing that finally forces me out of the discussion is a GG’er going too far. /sigh.

            I got into GG when sub human SJW animals incited hatred against me for crimes I didn’t commit.

            I didn’t get in it to attack people over their appearance, no matter how sick and evil those people are.

            There is enough solid evidence of wrong doing to take them down on that alone. Ad hominems aren’t needed.

          • SirKamyk

            Well, all of us need a break man. If what you say is true Woody, you’ve definitely earned your break from battling these people. Mr Snow and Porzio do seem a lot more like trolls than genuine GG’ers, so don’t sweat it man :)

          • Mr Snow

            I thought you said you wanted no part in this.

            Stick to your words. GG doesn’t need people like you.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Not bashing on her looks… but honestly, I used to love it when women colored their hair… back when it was unique and rare. Anything from two-tone blonde/brunette up to rave colors. But now so many are doing it like some sort of “in thing” or statement… which oddly could be classified under what Sarkeesian would call “gender signifiers” (even though I’m a guy and used to color my hair occasionally to “crayola” like colors… like purple, green, blue, sometimes mixed… but that was back in the 90s and early 2000s.)

            Now so many women are doing the hair-color thing, that now in RL when I see a woman with funky hair… rather than being, “wow, that’s pretty”, or “omg, that’s edgy, awesome, and attractive”… I start to cringe and think, “oh no, is this woman about to berate me for being yet another over-privileged cis-male s***lord!? Even though I’m still eagerly awaiting for my privilege to show up… does it come via UPS or FedEx? Because it better not be Dominoes, otherwise that !@#! is gonna’ be free yo! xD

  • So obvi

    Gjoni.. however you say it… this little puke… is so pathetic. Dude, get a life. I have never heard of any of this before today.. I am a gamer, and used to bang a ‘suicide girl’… AND im from boston. Seriously, bro… you got obsessed, and crazy over a fat chick. LOLOLOLOL. You are an embarrassment to the male species. ON top of all this.. you STILL THINK ITS COOL TO BE VEGAN? Grow a pair and eat a steak. Maybe then you wont cry in your pea soup when the next girl dumps you. IF YOU ASK ME THIS KID SHOULD BE COMMITTED – HE IS A THREAT TO HIMSELF.

  • Pinkytoe

    Yeah, he sounds like a psycho. But then again, this article seems heavily biased and I’m not sure how much I can trust what is being said. As a reporter, you should be capable of maintaining a more neutral tone, but I can detect the venom in the author’s voice throughout. Now, I’m a woman and a gamer, and it would be easy for me to swallow all this as truth, but something doesn’t add up to me. This piece seems more like it was written as soon in its own right, just as this man’s blog was his own weapon. And just as the article states that men have that angle with an ex of “my ex is a psycho”, I dare say that includes both parties in relationships and it goes both ways. I’m sure this is accurate to a point, and this guy seems very troubled, but something like this wasn’t required to sway people to her point of view. I’ve heard about the story in a very peripheral sense, but thought this would give me more perspective on what was actually going on. All I feel like is that I’m hearing the scorned female side of the story rather than an accurate account of what transpired. Try to maintain a more professional phone next time and I’d be more inclined to believe you.

    I do like though that in the end this man gets over it to him. Because he has a girlfriend and a life lol. This sounds like some teenage drama spun way out of control bc the individuals are socially retarded. I think most of us flushed out such childish emotions when we were much younger, very likely teenagers. perhaps he’s gotten this out of his system, and he’ll move on to healthy relationships in the future. As far as this woman, I hope she’s able to reclaim her life and select more stable partners in the future.

    • Snoopy

      pssst.. that kind of writing is called “hit piece”.

    • Mohamed Mahdi

      I think he recognized that it’s dumb to do this again since he hurt a lot of people the first time he wrote that 9000 word blog post and people will be pissed off if he added another part to that blog post.

      • hams

        lol whoops

  • Andrea Porzio

    my neighbour is a convicted felon and probably a woman hater. I guess that makes him automatically a GG supporter.

    • hams

      It certainly helps

  • Andrea Porzio

    sam biddle said it’s ok to bully nerds and that makes him a GG supporter by definition because GGs are all bullies but then he was referring to bully GGs… how can he be both pro-GG and anti-GG at the same time?
    that’s a nasty conundrum not even the philosoraptor can solve.

  • Andrea Porzio

    the people from NotYourShield must have been shot with a mind control drug dart. how would they support the racist and misogynist people from GG otherwise? assuming they are not white men cleaverly disguised as women and minorities of course.

    • Snoopy

      oh dude, seriously? do you want to be the 1001st idiot to get #rekt by #notyourshield? by all means, go to twitter and give your horseplay, see what it gets you.

    • Pooch Nasty

      Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, you’re wrong about GG. Holy crap, what a concept?

      • Bruce Bane

        He’s white. What did you expect? They always think they are right.

    • Pitchguest

      Yeah. Hundreds of people shot with a mind control drug dart. You win the prize.

  • Larry Meredith

    “Grand Theft Auto, which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity”
    Please show me exactly where and when in GTA does it encourage you to do that. It allows you to, but I’ve never seen it encouraged.

    • Woody

      Yeah it allows you to literally murder an entire city and surrounding countryside of people if you can afford the ammo, but hey, only the prostitutes matter!

      Of course SJW’s don’t actually play games so are clueless to the fact that the last NPC’s gamers would kill in a game are the “healers”!

      “I can kill literally the entire population of the city, oh I know, I will only kill the NPC’s that heal me”. – said no gamer ever.

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        My mind is still blown that with all the games out there that are revolutionary and push the boundaries… they hail games like Gone Home and Journey as the best and most fulfilling games ever.

        Not saying either one are horrible, or even bad… but in comparison to everything else on the market… for them to take such titles and bury everything else under them, and act like they’re some spiritual quest that touches your soul and opens realms of belief you’d never have imagined… well, really have to think they were hitting the 420 whiel playing them… just saying.

        • hams

          Sorry dude, you could list your top 10 games and I’m pretty fucking sure Gone Home is better than all of them. I’m sorry it doesn’t have guns or swords or space aliens, but that’s just the way it is.

          • Pitchguest

            Sure. If you like pushing the W button for three hours and nothing else, Gone Home is the perfect game for you.

          • hams

            It’s ok if you don’t get it

    • PAZ

      Excuse me, where in the article they talk about GTA..? I can’t find it…

      • SirKamyk

        Page 2, paragraph 5 :)

        • PAZ

          Uh, thanks!

      • Larry Meredith

        Page 2

        “Feminist critic Anita Sarkeesian received rape and death threats in 2012 after launching the video series Tropes vs. Women in Video Games, in response to such games as Grand Theft Auto, which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

    • Dylan

      I suppose the only way you could say it’s encouraged is for money when you start the game with barely anything, but that’s a pretty massive stretch. Especially when you could kill any bystander & profit from it.

      I’m guessing many who repeat this claim don’t play GTA.

      Ultimately though, that bit aside, this is a good article.

      • SirKamyk

        A good article? What standards is that by? Sure, in terms of literacy skills, this guy has them. But last time I checked media were supposed to be neutral. In theory, at least. This article does not even try to be neutral! Even if it is right, that does not excuse the fact that this article is a completely biased piece of press.
        I worry for the United States if this is how all their media act. Which, from what I’ve heard, is the case.

        • Dylan

          It’s an Op-Ed. They’re common, particularly on the internet.

          • Pitchguest

            Op-Ed’s can’t be criticised or told they’re bad because they’re Op-Ed’s.

          • Dylan

            I don’t see where I said that, but OK.

          • Pitchguest

            It was sarcasm.

          • Dylan

            I guessed as much. I still don’t understand how your sarcasm about quality and criticism relates to what I said, that it’s an Op-Ed in reply to someone’s post that it should be an impartial piece of writing.

            Quality is a subjective thing. You’re welcome to say it’s not a good article. I disagree, but that’s fine, we can disagree – we’re adults.

          • SirKamyk

            Apologies for the ignorance. This does excuse the bias in the article, though not the misinformation.

          • Dylan

            I haven’t noticed any misinformation, feel free to point it out.

          • SirKamyk

            The article states that Grand Theft Auto encourages killing prostitutes, which it doesn’t. It also states that the gaming community is hostile to women, which is not true.

            Petty, I know, but misinformation nevertheless. It’s hard to excuse it when you’re a gamer though and it’s YOUR community that Zachary is lying about here.

          • Dylan

            I’d already noticed the GTA issue. Drop in the ocean.

            I fail to see how you can suggest the gaming community isn’t hostile to women, though. Anecdotes from women themselves prove otherwise. GG proves otherwise. I mean, the gaming community is hostile to everyone – it’s one of the reasons I stopped playing online as much, but disproportionately so towards women.

  • Snakes on a Car

    Don’t worry everybody I am back.
    Did you know that feminism is the number one cause of cancer?….especially testicular cancer.

    • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

      Sounds about right… at least neo-feminism. I’ve heard when men join that camp, their balls shrivel up and they start to sparkle in the sun… OHHHHH *lightbulb goes on* so THAT is what spawned Twilight… gotchya! xD

    • GP

      it’s snipping time! snippety snipperoo!

      • Snakes on a Car

        Sup gurrrllll
        How you doin’

  • Ire38

    I remember when Provincetown’s former blogger Andrew Sullivan confessed his empathy with the boys behind Gamergate abuse, because, he said, it’s hard to share one’s special boy-world with new people. He too has a history of online misogyny and personal attacks against women.

  • Mackenzie B. Morris

    So, OK, EG had a bad breakup after a tumultuous relationship, like, y’know, 95% of the people who have ever been born, lived and died on this planet. He could have dealt with this in a number of healthy, sane, ADULT ways: venting to close friends. Venting to close family. Venting to your favorite bartender whilst you cry into a drink. Screaming into a pillow. Writing angsty livejournal posts. Going for long walks, getting hammered, burning old love letters — so many different ways to achieve emotional catharsis!

    Instead EG chose the petty, shitty teenager route: spread lots of personal info and private conversations around to make his ex look shitty. And he is (technically(unfortunately)) an adult, and this is 2015; reading some of her bad poetry over the high school PA wasn’t going to be enough for this shitnugget. So he carefully edited and proofread his gossip (because that’s all the Zoe Post really is, a steaming pile of stanky-ass gossip) to appeal to all the other scorned exes and shitty woman-hating nerds out there (many of whom are frequenting this comment section — hello!!), and spread his dirty laundry all over places like fucking 4chan in order to get the biggest possible mass of anonymous haters to anonymously hate on his ex-girlfriend.

    But, aww — he said he just wanted lots and lots of people to think she was an awful person, he didn’t want them to HARASS her! Look he even added that little disclaimer.
    If EG seriously believed Quinn wasn’t going to get a fuckton of nasty hateful comments up in her biz for weeks, he’s a damned fool — and I don’t believe for a second that he didn’t know exactly what he was doing.

    Bottom line: if you DO believe what EG says in the Zoe Post, you’re believing the words of the one person who has the most reasons to manipulate, distort and outright LIE in this situation — and even if you can swallow that, nothing EG says Quinn did to him justifies what he did with the Zoe Post. Nothing she could have done to him justifies how she’s been treated since. Nothing justifies him possibly doing it AGAIN SERIOUSLY?? SERIOUSLY DUDE????

    • Live the dream

      i have read many many times when a woman does the exact same thing that eron does that she is standing up to her abuser. When i see that happen i will be sure to give her this kind of reply.

      • ginmar

        Yeah, prove it.

        • Live the dream

          max tempkin had someone make a vague rape claim. It was then spread around as gospel truth and published as truth in kotaku. She was praised as being brave. It was all lies of course.

      • doubtthat

        He was “abused” in this 5 month relationship? Come on, man. By the time either of them figured out they were in a relationship, it was over.

        Being cheated on is not the same as being abused. It can often be a component of abuse, but it neither sufficient nor necessary.

        He got obsessed, it didn’t work out, he can’t move on. That’s all this is.

        • Live the dream

          Abused by the standards that feminists hold others too. Gaslighting, lied to and exploited. If you don’t think that is abuse then your arguments should be to feminists who have promoted these things as abuse for years.

          • doubtthat

            Sure, and if what he says was true, he was treated poorly. Doesn’t rise to the level of abuse in any jurisdiction I’m aware of, but sure, he got the raw end of the deal.

            But, of course, none of this remotely justifies or explains his subsequent harassment campaign. Given the level of his obsession as well as his rather loose grasp of reality, if I were a betting man, a real investigation into this relationship would reveal him as the gaslighted, but that’s neither here nor there.

          • Live the dream

            I never said it justified harassment. But there is also harassment against eron. Does what he have said or done if true justify his harassment?

            Over and over we are presented this idea that only women are being harassed and only the women who oppose gamergate. THIS IS WRONG.

          • doubtthat

            “Only” women are harassed is a strawman born of your fevered imagination. That women receive much worth treatment is so obvious in so many ways that only the most stubborn of people will try to deny it.

            But, of course, you don’t bring up men suffering harassment to try and find solidarity with women, you do it to silence them, which puts the lie to your concern and reveals your tears to be crocodilian.

          • Live the dream

            according to the pew study that isn’t the case. http://time.com/3546044/online-harassment-affects-men-too/

          • doubtthat

            So you show me a study that highlights significant disparities in the frequency with which women are stalked and sexually harassed, and you think this helps your case?

            Good lord.

            You get more specific, you start isolating actual threats, you start digging into who has had their lives alter and you will find the more dangerous it gets, the more it will focus on women.

            But again, the argument is not that men are never harassed or that it’s appropriate to behave that way towards men, it’s that women suffer from a unique sort of abuse.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Your study literally says that women are harassed much more than men.

            Why does GG always insist on disproving their own points?

          • doubtthat

            I didn’t say you were succeeding, I said you and your ilk are trying to silence her. That it’s impossible is a testament to her resilience.

            Who is “someone else?” Are you talking about Gjoni? Surely you’re not suggesting that he has been unable to spread his malicious words around…

        • Pierre

          Do you really think being cheated on by (at least) five different men, then lied too/maniuplated by the same woman about this situation counts as ‘it didn’t work out?’

          I mean I get it isn’t the worst case of abuse ever, but it does meet the standards usually upheld.

          • doubtthat

            Yes. It was a 5 month relationship. It sucks. He should be rightful pissed, and he should cease have anything to do with her.

            It’s not actionable abuse under any legal standard. I don’t know what to tell you. At this point his whiny little essay has caused many times the amount of damage that the cheating did. And he persists to this day. He has now pined and whined about this relationship significantly longer than it existed.

            Get some perspective.

    • Pierre

      Eron has said he believed that he had a duty to ‘warn’ people about Zoe. He also believed that it was unlikely for things to get this big. Now, if we presume this is all true (and we have many good reasons to believe it is) I don’t see what you find so reprehensible about his course of action. I can understand that a reasonable person may disagree with Eron’s decision to do what he did(I get a strong ugh effect at the idea of publicly shaming people, even genuine psychopaths like Zoe) but I do not think one can say he acted in bad faith.

      If you want to lay blame for ZQ’s continued ‘harassment’ you should probably look at her response. I don’t think Eron has done anything that indicates he wants her to receive any of this. Again, his continued ‘involvement’ seems to have more to do with A) helping Gamergate B) defending himself from obviously slanderous press, such as this piece. C) asking for legal help to overturn an obviously unjust gag – order

      In terms of who to believe – it seems unlikely that Eron would be able to sustain a narrative for this long, if it was based on falsehoods. So many people have invested into this issue, and so many people stand to gain if anything Eron has said was untrue. ZQ being the most notable. At this point, I cannot think what greater evidence would convince you. Chatlogs, her admitting to various abusive acts, suicide threats, dozens of other people coming out and saying Zoe has also behaved badly towards them, TYFC, Broteampill, Nathalie Majory – Zoe Quinn claiming to have ‘stabbed a rapist in the eye.’ Numerous lies she’s been caught with – the restraining order lies, the lies about doxxing TYFC, the lies about not being involved with SomethingAwful’s hellldump.

      Your point about Eron having ‘reason to lie’ makes little sense. Every party in this situation has a very strong incentive to present themselves in the best possible light. You seem to be confusing incentive with believing that because Eron is of bad character, his claims can be considered less valid. Well, so what? The evidence of events (and there is a lot of it) I think outweighs any inferences you can draw from people’s moral character here.

      Can you not see what you are doing? There was a victim here, a guy who was treated in a manner clearly consistent with abuse. He went public. It blew up, in part, because his abuser has a whole bunch of other skeleton’s in her closet, and in part because those same skeletons makes her just perfect as a focal point for any kind of culture war to center around. You can’t stick him for everything that has happened. Christ it’s the same logic used to gag eron himself – something someone somewhere said about me blew up so now nobody should be able to say anything bad (even if true) about me because it might also blow up.

      You are demonstrably *victim blaming*, and I can’t think of any reason why you are doing this beyond, ultimately, that you don’t want your side to ‘lose’ or because you are aware that Eron is a man and Zoe is a woman. Shameful.

      • ginmar

        You have every reason to believe it’s true? No, you just like attacking women. Gjonji’s a lying sexist stalker.

        • Pierre
        • Benjamin Hitov

          Point me to one specific thing he has lied about?

          • Proto Man

            1.) He “believed it was unlikely for it to get this big” but he specifically stated in the very article you’re reading (or I guess you maybe didn’t read because you were so desperate to fight a battle in a comment section) that he wanted it to be as bad as possible, if not worse.

          • Pierre

            This article is filled with falsehoods. That was one of them. I read the entire article (as someone following this from the beginning.) and was aghast at how dishonest it was. However, man, if you had read my comment in full you would see that I posted a link where Eron explains how dishonest this journalist was.

          • Proto Man

            Frankly, given this article’s contents, I don’t think I’m inclined to believe anything Eron says.

            But I gave you your “one thing” so if you’ll excuse me I’m going to do the GGer thing and be smug and dismiss any challenges to my worldview.

          • Live the dream

            You are a terrorist and as such i don’t believe in reading what terrorists have to say. So in that you are a terrorist and should be treated as such.

          • Pierre

            I’m telling you the article is filled with falsehoods and pointing you too a post explaining such. You have now said that you are not inclined to believe this, because of what was said in the same article.

            You’re making what is called a circular argument, here. I understand – one is usually inclined to believe journalists, but in this case, in good faith, I am telling you it is an *obvious hitpiece.* Please at least give me the respect of taking five minutes to read what Eron has written.

            I’m glad you are at least *admitting* that you are being willingly biased/blind. Okay.

            Also shit, it’s surprising that there is this meme of GGers being smug and dismissing challanges to their worldview – GGers have the exact same meme about aGGers! Really though, being smug/blind in an argument is completely normal and you can imagine both sides of any movement behave in that way enough for the other side to build up a characterisation of them like that.

      • hams

        “Eron has said he believed that he had a duty to ‘warn’ people about Zoe. He also believed that it was unlikely for things to get this big. Now, if we presume this is all true (and we have many good reasons to believe it is)”

        No we don’t. He posted it to two of the biggest gaming forums on the whole fucking internet. Who was he ‘warning’ exactly? Hundreds of thousands (at least) of people who do not and well never know her personally?

        • Pierre

          I believe he posted it on something awful – and thereafter it got banned/and then blew up. I don’t understand what else you would have wanted him to do.

          He’s said that due to Zoe’s tendency to change locations (in part, because she always end’s up making too many enemies in one place.) he wanted to make sure that things

          Let’s be clear here – all of this wouldn’t have gotten nearly as big if Zoe had admitted wrongdoing, and gone away to focus on her own self, for a year or so, before returning. I don’t think you quite appreciate the level of trama Eron was put through for no reason, by this woman.

          • hams

            Something awful AND the PA forums. Here’s some wild ideas, don’t post it where it will cause the maximum harm, don’t post it at all, write a letter to yourself, tell people in your life, tell only people that are actually in her life, mind your own fucking business about what she does with the rest of her life, act like an adult and move on with your shit, if someone hurts you seek therapy not fuckin revenge, if it blows up and you didn’t want it to – shut it down completely (not half-assedly saying ‘oh gee you guys don’t be mean *wink*)

            Do I need to go on? Do you seriously think putting it in front of thousands and thousands of people was the only way to vent? Do you try and get it on the local news when a gf cheats on you? Dear god you people really believe that’s a reasonable way to behave. I guaran-fucking-tee I’ve had gfs do worse to me and you know what, I fucking moved on and never looked back.

            My god you utter shitlord. “it’s her fault the psychos did this. she should have run away and hid so the psychos couldn’t find her. eron says he was traumatized so it excuses everything”
            Immediate disqualification. Pack it up. Take your ball and go home. Please keep all hands and feet inside the ride and enjoy getting the fuck out.

            Let ME be clear. That is the reasoning of a spoiled child.

          • hams

            He posted it to Something Awful AND PennyArcade forums. Both of which are huge. I don’t understand how you think that was the ONLY thing he could have done, so I’ll give you a few Wild Ideas: Don’t post it in front of thousands and thousands of people who have a history of abusing her, don’t post it in front of anyone, don’t post it at all, only tell people in your life, only tell people that are actually in a position to be hurt by her, don’t post it at all, grow up and accept that things don’t always work out how you want, don’t post it at all, if someone abuses you call the police or see a therapist instead of seeking fucking revenge, and finally, don’t post it at all. I don’t care what kind of bullshit justifications you can cook up because none of them are something an adult would consider a real option.

            I guaran-fucking-tee you I’ve had worse treatment from exes and I sucked it up and moved on with my life. What do you do when a gf cheats on you, try and get it on the local fucking news? Does that actually seem reasonable to you?

            You unbelievable shitlord. Let’s put it in other words and see if you still like it as much. “All the psychopaths wouldn’t have abused her AS MUCH if she had only went into hiding sooner so they couldn’t find her. Really it’s her fault that he threw her to the wolves on purpose, he had no other choice other than all the ones you just mentioned” Still sound like a good excuse?

            When you do something like this, intentionally, your ‘trauma’ doesn’t mean much to me. At this point she’s been getting abused by strangers for almost twice as long as their entire relationship.

            You think he was forced and she deserved it? Immediate disqualification. Pack it up. Take your ball and go home. Please keep your hands and feet inside the ride and enjoy getting the fuck out of here.

            Let’s be clear here – you are using the reasoning of a spoiled child.

          • Pierre

            If you’ve read tzp, you must know the way he was treated was ergariously bad. Okay, so you’ve been treated worse and not acting the same? Fine. As I said at first, there is certainly a debate to be had as to whether Eron acted correctly. But I don’t think it is fair to characterise his actions as being in bad faith.

            You cannot possibly believe that he anticipated a year of this. Bascially every single thing that could go wrong, to make this whole thing blow up and flame on like it did, happened. It wasn’t anticipated that major journalism sites would do the 24h relase of the ‘gamers are dead’ articles. It wasn’t anticipatle that, presumably due to contacts on these sites, all major forums on this side of the net would censor discussion on this topic. You cannot believe that Eron would know this. I believe he has said that he felt she would get *some* harassment, but that overall it’d be worth it in terms of net utility, if there was no other way to warn people about her.

            I’m not saying that she is responsible for the behaviour of people harassing her. I am saying that, from Eron’s position, it seems incredibly likely that, if ZQ belieed her harrassment was so bad, she could have taken steps to avoid it.

            Yes I get your analogy – it isn’t viable. In the real world, if we take action A) that we feel is good for x and y reasons, but bad for z, and feel the bad of z can certainly be mitigated by the affected parties themselves, then that is a completely valid argument. By your reasoning nobody has any responsibility at all to change their behaviour – they can blame every consequence they suffer as a result on the guys that started it.

            I also never said he was forced. I don’t think ‘she deserved it.’ Please, stop putting words into my mouth.

          • hams

            You’re still struggling to justify it. You haven’t managed to point out one actual benefit to anyone from him posting it. It’s been nothing but misery for everyone involved.

            “In the real world, if we take action A) that we feel is good for x and y reasons, but bad for z, and feel the bad of z can certainly be mitigated by the affected parties themselves, then that is a completely valid argument.”

            So the extension of your ‘real world’ argument, is that if you scratch my car and I set your house on fire, it’s ok since technically you can mitigate it by calling the fire department. Does that make sense to you? Or to put it another way, if you kick my shin and I hire an assassin, well it’s ok because you can take steps to not get assassinated (going into hiding, leaving the country etc) Are you suggesting an equivalence between a brief (alleged) abusive relationship and a several month long campaign of (by his own words) waging an internet war?

            (don’t get worked up it’s an example)

            Your making excuses for him either implies that he had no choice, that she deserved it, or that there was more good than bad that came out of it. If his only intent was to warn future bfs about her. Guess what it failed, so why is he still hanging onto it? Clearly she’s become more successful than ever, so either the warning was wrong or unnecessary. So it sure looks like his only intent is to get revenge. Go through my history, I layed it out pretty cleanly that there is no sufficient reason to believe that he did it out of anything other than malice.

            If you want to think that he is so idiotic that he really had no idea this was going to happen, and really had no idea how to bring a stop to it, then you should be questioning whether such an idiot really has a grip on the events of the relationship that he’s griping about.

            I’m really embarrassed for you latching onto and defending someone so insignificant doing nothing more than seeking revenge on an ex. I guess that’s the GG equivalent of a hero.

          • Pierre

            I thought you’d bring up some objection along those lines. Equally, you can make a similar analogy – if I crash into your car, and your car then rolls into another car, is the second crash still my responsibility even if you were able to apply the handbreak on your ride, but choose not too?

            Clearly there has to be some balance here. You don’t’ get to commit ANY action towards someone, if the possibility exists that they might mitigate or prevent any harm from it, but equally.

            You’ve been dishonest, also, in making an analogy to a bad/disproportionate action, motivated by revenge. Kicking someone in revenge is far more petty than Eron’s (at least his claimed) motivation. If you are attempting to warn people about someone, then that person will incur costs from that. If these costs are mitgatable in some way, that is relevant to your decision (e.g. it still means people get warned= + utility but the warnee has the chance to suffers less costs = less lost utility.)

            I think Eron has achieved his aims – which were to warn people about zoe without hurting her life as far as possible. You said yourself Zoe is ‘doing better than ever.’ she isn’t romantically unviable (lol @ the dude with her though) but every single person who google’s her knows that, or should know, that there is *one thing* that they have to read about her. So honestly, I think he’s got the outcome he wanted. (How it’s fucked up his life is another story though!)

            Please also stop making comments basically going ‘you suck!’ – though i am pleased you have moved from straight up insulting me to the more sympathetic ‘i’m embarrassed for you’ approach.

          • hams

            ” if I crash into your car, and your car then rolls into another car, is the second crash still my responsibility even if you were able to apply the handbreak on your ride, but choose not too?”

            Yes, because that’s how the law works. It’s also a dipshit analogy because in that example YOU STILL HIT ME WITH A CAR. To be more exact, if it’s an analogy, you would have had to hit me intentionally. Still sound like a good excuse?

            I can kinda see that you’re going for the utilitarian angle, but you’re doing a shit job of it. There’s simply no way you can justify one guy’s hurt feelings (for a few months) vs at least twice as many months of threats and harassment towards several people. I also don’t know how you think being sad is somehow that much worse than being terrified for your life.

            Mainly it fails because you’re assuming there was some mitigation to be done on ZQ’s part. Before she had even known about it the abuse had started coming in. You can’t prove one bit that there is anything she could have done that would have guaranteed a stop to the abuse. Whereas I can demonstrate very clearly that Eragon has little or no interest in bringing the abuse to a halt. Other than his token ‘attempts’ which apparently don’t involve taking anything down or stopping from talking about it.

            So can the worthless moral algebra bullshit, you have nothing supporting you there.

            “warn people about zoe without hurting her life as far as possible”

            If you’re wondering why I call you an idiot, it’s bizarre trains of thought like this. Who exactly was he supposed to warn? The whole internet? The country? Planet earth? Odd how vague that concept is. Ya’ll seem to think that if you don’t get specific about who was to be warned, it justifies spreading it to an indefinite number.

            I’ve heard about it, is it really that likely that me, a dude across the country with no ties to the industry would ever even MEET her? Have YOU met her? Of the many thousands that were ‘warned’ how many have really seen her any more than say, a convention talk? It just. Doesn’t. Hold. Water.

            Ok here’s another extremely dumb thing:

            “I think Eron has achieved his aims”

            Out of order, I know. If he had achieved his aims, why is he continuing to participate in a movement that seems to have little other interest than to abuse? If the job is done, why is he still working on it? Who hasn’t heard about it that he still wants to know? It’s been several months, maybe he should just write a few fucking emails to finish.

            I mean one of my points (don’t know whether you read the other thing or not) is that either he has failed, and is extremely unlikely to succeed at this point in his goal. (not to mention loads of collateral damage that mounts daily). So there is no point in continuing since your moral algebra shows him extremely in the red. Or he has succeeded, and has continuing contributing to the abusive party out of sheer malice. Either way, when does he stop? When does he take real decisive action to bring it to a halt, or even remove himself from it? Is he just going to spend the rest of his life ‘warning’ people about her? Does that sound sane? Does 9 months or whatever sound sane? As long as she is in the public eye, and he is feeding the flames, it’s never going to go away. (I sincerely hope you don’t think she is obligated to give up her career because of a crybaby ex. That is hugely life changing thing, and it’s no guarantee that she could come back from it. Don’t even act like that’s a fair trade for his complaints)

            Please for the love of fuck, do not waste time talking about how it has affects gonads life. He 100% initiated it and has continued to fuel it to this day. He’s ruining his own life by involving continuing to be involved in the mudslinging fest that he orchestrated.

            I get kinda bored explaining it in such detail so many times. It feels like this topic must attract a certain number of unbalanced kids or people with severe autism. It’s the only way I can explain how so many of you seem unable to notice the clear disparity and social abnormality of Egon’s actions. I mean so many times I hear that this is a normal and reasonable action to take, but they can never seem to dig up a remotely comparable example where it was also ok.

            I don’t know if either of those apply to you. I don’t care if they do. Anybody with social skills and grip on reality who has read this far will see you have nothing, anybody on your side has for whatever reason decided that anything is excused in the name of revenge on a woman.

          • Pierre

            Yeah, I think I took it as a I given you’d be able to realise that the relevant part of the analogy was the second ‘crash’ – and not get caught up in the stage setting which any analogy must have and is irrelevant to the principle demonstrated.

            I don’t think it’s going to be worthwhile talking about this any further, sorry.

          • hams

            You can’t cherry pick which parts of the analogy are relevant, it’s not an analogy otherwise (nor was it a good analogy to being with). Aside from that you completely failed to demonstrate what reasonable actions could have been taken by ZQ to mitigate the situation, nor have you explained why Egon didn’t try any of the wealth of effective options he had to mitigate. Like rest of your pals, you eventually meet the same end.

            ‘Hey can you back up any of your arguments or dispute any of these dozen arguments I’ve brought against you?’

            “Uhh…I have determined that there is no point in continuing because uh….you didn’t like my analogy”

          • Pierre

            just to be clear i’m not continuing because of the sum total of your arguments bought so far. it isn’t just your mistake (which you’ve persisted in here) about analogies m8

          • hams

            Yes I understand. You are quitting because you’ve been buried in arguments you can’t counter. I get it.

      • Mackenzie B. Morris

        Look, if you’re going to shame me for *victim blaming* you should probably know that doing it yourself at the same time (“If you want to lay blame for ZQ’s continued ‘harassment’ you should probably look at her response.” “It blew up, in part, because his abuser has a whole bunch of other skeleton’s in her closet”) weakens your moral stance a little bit.

        I’ll concede, though, that calling EG a liar just because I think he’s a cretin is unfair, and that was shitty of me, and I am sorry.

        In fact, it obscured my main point, which is: no matter how legitimate EG’s feelings and grievances might have been, he did NOT have the right (and certainly not a “duty”) to create the Zoepost, and no matter what juicy info it contains about ZQ, the whole thing reflects REALLY poorly on him as well. The chatlogs make them both seem pretty insufferable if you ask me — but you shouldn’t be able to ask me, I shouldn’t be able to give an opinion on these PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS.

        • Pierre

          Hold on – I don’t think i’m victim blaming here at all (provided we hold for the sake of my argument, that my premises are correct.)

          Zoe has, I think, done nearly everything she could do to make the situation worse. It isn’t victim blaming to suggest that, while I don’t support harassment of her (and she can be seen as a victim of this) the situation begun due to her awful behaviour – and that she keeps on adding fuel to the matter with her continued awful behaviour (or past behaviour being uncovered further). If one can take reasonable steps to avoid things, then you are to some extent curable for it happening to you if you do not – i think this is something we can all agree on.

          Okay, I can respect your opinion here. Though I am curious as to in what part of the chatlogs Eron seems insufferable in?

          Lastly, you are aware that this distances you from the social justice orthodoxy, which embraces the idea of publicly ‘calling people out’ for their ‘shitty’ (what is it with SJ and scatological language?) behaviour. We’ve even seen lives wrecked, not because of bad personal behaviour, but because of peoples’ personal beliefs (e.g. boss of mozilla resigning because people uncovered that he didn’t support gay marriage.) Even if you do not agree with call outs (and we may agree here, I am not sure.) Certainly the majority of people defending Zoe seem to be in favour of them.

          Furhter to this, while most people don’t like call out’s quite as much as SJ circles, there is a long tradtion of people’s personal lives being political issues IF they are public figures — espcially ones who are seen as profitting off their public morality or politics, and then behave in a manner inconsistant with that. Most people don’t ‘like’ shaming per say, but they certainly judge people on it when the infomation is out there. Maybe this isn’t all that fair, but i can’t help but doubt your attention to detail in this case — do you apply the same standards to all cases of peoples’ personal lives becoming public e..g hugo schwarzer etc.

          Oh shit, also, if you don’t mind– personal question. You said you’ve been treated worse than Eron. Obviously you didn’t write a blogpost about it ahah, but did you respond in any way? I’ve been trying to work out my views on this myself, and haven’t come to any firm conclusons. Did you try and warn anyone?

        • docmelonhead

          Pretty much this; you should NEVER air your Dirty laundry, REGARDLESS of how big of a threat your ex may be.

          But Yeah, I agree they’re both guilty regardless.

          • Bruce Hawthorn

            I don’t see much complaint when abusive men are named and shamed, people regularly applaud this as it prevents further people from falling for the abuser’s wiles and being victimized. Why the double standard when the abuser is female? All abuse is wrong and potential victims have a right to know so they can stay away from abusers.

          • ginmar

            Except Eron Gjoni is a liar and an asshole, so if you believe him…

          • Bruce Hawthorn

            You’re using circular reasoning. Why don’t you read Eron Gjoni’s post? “Because he’s a liar and an asshole.” How do you know he’s a liar and an asshole? “Because the slanted media articles I read which were intended to reinforce my worldview and leave out contradictory facts told me so.” Why don’t you read Eron’s article to see why those articles are incorrect? “Because he’s a liar and an asshole.” Etc.

          • ginmar

            If a KKK member calls a black person the “n-word”, according to your reasoning, and then uses every racist dogwhistle EVER, they deserve an unbiased reading, but anything that points the utter hatefulness and history of their accusations is—“circular reasoning.”

            Yeah, you’re fighting for the future white OJ there, dude. I hope you have the guts to admit you’re wrong when this asshole’s “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest??” gets a woman killed or raped. As opposed to the doxxings, stalkings, threats, and attacks you guys aren’t honest enough to acknowledge are coming from gators.

            Your thirty seconds are up.

      • ginmar

        There’s every reason to conclude Gjoni’s a lying, abusive, mendacious scumbag, but go ahead, identify with him in that incredibly creepy way.

        • Pierre

          why are you commenting on a 9 month old post? :S

  • Snakes on a Car

    I will continue to be the top comment on this fustercluck of a comments section.

  • EpicFails

    The Gjoni fanboys needing attention. 5.7K comments basically screeching Hey! Hey! because the rest is pointless scripted rhetoric or genuine nonsense. That’s just the way the fanboys roll and troll.

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  • Andrea Porzio

    does anybody know where I can find the source code for Depression Quest? I heard it’s like cutting edge in game programming.

    • 5up Mushroom

      That seems relevant…

  • calbeck357

    You do realize that, in front of a court, Quinn walked back ALL of these allegations you’re reprinting as though they were fact? I mean, you’re certainly quoting PART of the transcript; one might think you’d have actually read more than a couple of a sentences.

    For example, when pressed on whether or not Gjoni had ACTUALLY given out any of her personal information, the prosecution retreated from supporting that particular allegation — for that matter, they never bothered to show that Gjoni had even so much as “coached” anyone about anything regarding Quinn. Not even his original “tell-all” blog mentioned her by name; she outed herself in an angry tirade about his complaints of domestic abuse.

    You, Boston Magazine, are busily shaming the victim while ignoring everything inconvenient to a flat-out predetermined storyline. Why don’t you try writing PROFESSIONAL fiction for a change? I hear it pays better.

    • Mohamed Mahdi

      The blog post mentions the first part of her name. It’s easy to find out who eron is talking about in that blog post if you kinda know who the person is like the channers knew when they started to go after her.

      • Jack

        The people who know the victim are aware of the aggressor when they speak out?

        Doesn’t fly. Nothing in that post uniquely identifies Zoe to anyone who doesn’t already know who it is.

      • calbeck357

        Because there is no one else in the world named Zoe, and everyone knew who Gjoni had been dating? However, given that the entire point of the “ZoePost” was to warn people about an abusive ex — you know, the kind of thing which crops up on Tumblr by the hundreds on a daily basis — I’ll grant the notion he did mean to identify her by name.

        Address, phone number, email and the rest of what’s alleged? Not in it. Unless you’re going to argue that mentioning the first name of a person amounts to “stalking” or “coaching a hate mob”, this is what’s known as a nothingburger.

        Finally, “Zoe” is a pen-name… she had to put her real name (Chelsea Van Valkenberg) on the police report. She did more to “dox” herself in that one act than anything Gjoni is known to have actually done.

        • Mohamed Mahdi

          Then how were the mob that harassed her right after the blog post was posted able to find out who the blog post was talking about? Maybe Eron had something to do it? He did try sharing what he wrote in that blog post on other sites before he posted on that site.

          • calbeck357

            You do realize you’re defending an unverified allegation with supposition and presumption? And that you want to apply this to the contents of a court proceeding?

      • Pitchguest

        Zoe isn’t even her real name, so, er. No.

    • doubtthat

      All you’ve done is describe a current gap in courtroom understanding of modern technology.

      Eron is perverse, disturbing, but does understand technology. He knows damn well that people could hunt her down with the info he gave while still maintaining plausible deniability. Why do you think she learned about the post when her email was being bombarded? They identified her before she responded.

      Now, current court standards of evidence and burdens of proof have yet to properly account for information available on the web. The same thing was true with the KKK for many years: how do you hold the leaders responsible when they stoke the fires of violent racism but never say, “Go lynch that person, there.”

      Same plausible deniability: “I never said specifically to beat this person up or burn a cross in their yard.” Finally, the Southern Poverty Law Center made the crimes stick to the leadership, and the organization has been broken ever since.

      Eventually smart attorneys and reasonable judges will figure this out, and when that happens, the slimeballs that infest gamergate will be properly dealt with.

      • Jack

        “All you’ve done is describe a current gap in courtroom understanding of modern technology.”

        No, it’s simply called “Bad evidence doesnt hold up in court”, which it shouldn’t. Being offended doesn’t make someone a criminal. Being triggered by everything you see because you’re weak doesn’t make the world oppressive, or you a victim.

        When you hit a person and get hit back, you are not excused from what you did because they didn’t take the high road.

        • doubtthat

          No, it’s simply called “Bad evidence doesnt hold up in court”, which it shouldn’t.

          As someone who has practiced in court, including hundreds of protective order cases, you’re wrong. Gnoji is relying on an anonymous web of people to do the dirty work, and right now the courts don’t understand how to deal with that. That will change.

          The threats contained in the material possessed by Quinn are far more severe than the sorts of things that, if they happened in person or over the phone, would result in legal action. The problem is figuring out how to link StarFart69 to Gjoni. Again, this will happen within the next decade, so enjoy your anonymous harassment while you can.

          When you hit a person and get hit back, you are excused from what you did because they didn’t take the high road.

          Haha, no. Not necessarily.

          You think Gjoni is the first person that has been cheated on in human history? A huge percentage of domestic cases begin that way, and being heartbroken never justifies retaliatory campaigns.

          • Jack

            Gnoji, who is mostly unrelated to this, is associated only by a web of awkward tin-foil-hat conspiracy that, for good reason, would not hold up in court.

            People have been arrested and convicted for conspiring over the internet. Pretending that this is some awkward exception is beyond dishonest.

            There is a reason why Quinn’s ‘pile of evidence’ is mostly not taken seriously. It’s not because of ‘patriarchy’.

          • doubtthat

            Again, you’re wrong. Notice how the judge was attempting to write out the order to handle that mob of people.

            Courts do not know how to handle this problem. Eventually they will. The assholes who are skirting by on anonymity and plausible deniability will eventually be shut down.

            The scary thing for the non-asshole portion of the internet using population is that the steps taken to eliminate that type of behavior may have negative consequences for the generally free system. The dicks are going to ruin it.

          • Jack

            It was an awkward attempt because it’s ultimately a frivolous thing with alot of barriers in place.

            Alot of lessons learned from McCarthyism, and the parallels with GG scaremongering do not go unnoticed.

            Individuals responsible for criminal actions will be held accountable for any real harm they do. If you think “I’m offended” is going to promote jail time, I’m afraid our society has not sunk quite so low just yet.

          • doubtthat

            Stalking and threats are not just “offense.”

            Again, look up the protection from stalking or abuse standards in your jurisdiction. The sorts of messages Quinn receives on a daily basis would more than count to both establish an order (which she did) and enforce violations.

            The problem is associating the threats with a person. This is the difficulty the internet has created. It will be solved.

          • Jack

            If you guys are so beat up over stalking and threats, then maybe you should stop stalking and threatening people.

            It’s really hard to take that stuff seriously from a legion of hypocrites.

            You realize that legal definitions of stalking and harassment are easy to look up, right? Easy to contrast with the severe lack of real evidence to establish what you’re accusing people of?

            “Listen and believe” isn’t legal precedent. For a reason.

          • doubtthat

            Did that even make sense in your own head.

            I mean, I just directed you to the definitions. Yes, I’m aware of the definitions, that’s why I told you to read them.

            Quinn met the burden for a protective order, she’s just having trouble linking the legion of online harassers to Gjoni. Again, this is a technology gap, not a fact gap.

          • Jack

            It’s not that complex, but I’ll break it down into bulletpoints for you.

            – You say it matches legal definitions of a crime.
            – It doesn’t. Courts agree.
            – You say that it should anyways, because a gag order sneaked through and guilt by association.

            In a world where people can be held accountable for “cyberbullying” on almost frivolous ground, Quinn can’t even clear the burden for THAT to stick.

            That isn’t a technology gap. That isn’t a fact gap. That is a fact CANYON and you don’t have the gear or skill to clear it.

          • doubtthat

            Haha, no.

            “It” I wonder if you even know what that pronoun refers to? The initial protective order or the subsequent violation?

            It’s like talking to a brick wall. Gjoni has very cleverly outsourced his harassment. There’s currently to no way to hold someone responsible for, say, leaving identifiable information at a location that you know will result in harassment. That’s a difficult way to proceed.

            It’s obviously harassment; it isn’t currently considered a violation of a protective order. Once again, those exact same things said and done over the phone from an identifiable number would have resulted in a violation. There is a no contact order between Quinn and Gjoni. All stalking orders also have a prohibition against 3rd party contact.

            The difficulty here is that Gjoni is relying on third parties for harassment, but the law does not currently consider what he did sufficient. That’s fine, I understand the ruling. But you’re a fool if you think it will always be that way.

          • Jack

            “It” being the narrative constructed around Zoe somehow being a victim in this. The sheer, bold-faced hypocrisy behind excusing her is just.. breathtaking.

            What you are wanting to do is difficult because it requires proof. What you are advocating for is a lower burden of proof, to accept heresay and anecdote over anything substantial. To overlook special pleading and to non-critically accept obvious hyperbole and exaggeration at face-value.

            This “it doesn’t count when we do it” form of accountability, of having 0 self awareness in making such demands.

            Not that our justice system is flawless, but it’s not that fucked yet. Hell, if the burden of proof were really that low, the first person they’d need to arrest is Zoe herself, lol.

          • doubtthat

            Oh god, you’re one of those. It’s possible for someone to do something bad, then later become a victim. Quinn was not a victim in the initial relationship; she absolutely was victimized by subsequent activity of Gjoni and others.

            Again, the proof is not the issue. The proof is readily available. Significantly less proof would substantiate a violation of a protective order had it been done through other mediums.

            The burden of proof will remain exactly the same – preponderance of the evidence, most likely, depending on the specifics of your jurisdiction. What will change is the way courts view that type of activity: outsourcing harassment to third parties.

            It took courts a while to catch up with harassing phone calls. It took courts time to figure out how to handle third party contact. It will take them a while to adjust to these massive harassment campaigns, but eventually they will figure out a system.

            This “it doesn’t count when we do it” form of accountability, of having 0 self awareness in making such demands.

            I have tried and tried and cannot figure out what you’re trying to say, here.

            I don’t think you understand what “burden of proof” means. Again, she obtained a protective order in a court of law. Gjoni does not have a protective order against her. We’re talking about the conditions that satisfy a violation of that order, not some inchoate notion of who was right or wrong within the context of their relationship.

            I think you’re having trouble understanding the focus.

          • Jack

            What Zoe did was outright abuse. Sentiment would be entirely different if the sexes were reversed. Dismissing what happened to him while raining hyperbole about Zoe is high hypocrisy.

            Proof is the issue because there is precious little of it. You’re describing a tin foil hat conspiracy to ascribe guilt to Eron while just handwaving Zoe’s role in it.

            There is a reason that stuff gets laughed out of the court. There’s a reason they had to pay for a hearing that ultimately led to nothing – because there is nothing. The threats against Zoe aren’t even credible, much less tied to Eron.

            The real ‘vindictive campaign’ is this desperate, repeated slandering of Eron who has long since moved on from this.

            Feels > Reals doesn’t fly in the real world.

            You’re reigning around a protective order as if the low bar for that clears the high bar for criminal prosecution. It doesn’t. For a reason.

            Moreon, if the standard for prosecution was lowered to what you want it to be, Zoe would be the first one arrested. Special pleading (the ‘it doesn’t count when we do it’ line of morality/hypocrisy) doesn’t fly in court either, unless you’re a cop.

          • doubtthat

            What Zoe did was outright abuse.

            It’s amusing how radically you’re moving from “there isn’t enough evidence to prove this in court” right back to some colloquial standard. It’s sloppy equivocation.

            Did Quinn treat Gjoni poorly (if we assume everything Gjoni described is true)? Yes, obviously. Is it “abuse” in a legal sense? No. Nothing she did was illegal, and cheating and lying are not grounds for a protective order. There was never any threat from Quinn.

            This is an important distinction and negates this sad equivalency you’er trying to generate.

            Dismissing what happened to him while raining hyperbole about Zoe is high hypocrisy.

            This is just stupid. There is no “dismissing,” it’s simply that Quinn’s behavior is not actionable in a court context. He should have gotten out of the relationship; he was more than justified in sharing it with his circle of support; hell, he was even justified in publishing his story – save for the petty, vengeful aspect where he made sure there was enough information for an internet mob to go after her.

            Now, even that isn’t really a crime, as I doubt Gjoni could have anticipated the level of reaction. But then he egged them on. Then he gave them more. Then, years after this stupid little 5 month relationship, he’s still talking about publishing more.

            Quinn’s crimes )again, assuming Gjoni is 100% accurate, which I doubt) have more than been settled, but he’s obsessed and cannot let it go.

            There is a reason that stuff gets laughed out of the court.

            It didn’t get laughed out of court. Quinn obtained a protective order and the judge tried his best to craft an order that could cover the sort of harassment she received. This is a serious legal matter that has changed and will continue to evolve over the next several years.

            The real ‘vindictive campaign’ is this desperate, repeated slandering of Eron who has long since moved on from this.

            Haha, what? Are you cookin’?

            Did you even read the article? He’s going back and forth about publishing more. He is in no way beyond it and Quinn cannot move past it.

            And in what way, exactly, has Gjoni been “slandered?” You’re using legal language, I would recommend looking up the meaning before you move forward, unless you’re once again sloppily using the word in a colloquial sense then babbling incoherently about how courts will treat this issue.

            You’re reigning around a protective order as if the low bar for that clears the high bar for criminal prosecution. It doesn’t. For a reason.

            This is a figment of your imagination. I have been quite clear that the two standards are different. To obtain a protective order, however, is not nothing. It requires a showing of multiple, unreasonable forms of contact. Gjoni lost that one.

            The problem is that these orders aren’t really set up to handle the type of harassment Gjoni has gleefully released on Quinn. It’s possible that the solution won’t come through the protective order process, but that’s the closest available legal process for now.

            if the standard for prosecution was lowered to what you want it to be, Zoe would be the first one arrested.

            This is so sloppy and stupid. Is there a protective order against Quinn? If there’s no order, there can be no violation.

            And I know you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the issue is not one of shifting the burden of proof, it’s one of adopting a process for handling internet behavior. This will be settled through statutory change but mostly through court decisions.

            Again, this is the exact problem people faced in KKK cases after the Civil Rights Movement. It was difficult to link violence to the people inciting it. Eventually, through dedicated prosectorial effort, a standard was adopted. The evidence didn’t change, the burden of proof didn’t change, yet the law adopted a sustainable method for handling such organizations.

            There is a very similar effort here: it’s difficult to link the source of the harassment to the person being harassed. Eventually a process will be adopted. It’s how the world works.

            Special pleading (the ‘it doesn’t count when we do it’ line of morality/hypocrisy) doesn’t fly in court either, unless you’re a cop.

            Again, dummy, there’s no special pleading as we’re discussing how to proceed with a violation of a protective order. Since there is no protective order against Quinn, there’s nothing to hold her responsible for. If Gjoni thinks she has been stalking or harassing him, he’s welcome to go to court and obtain an order. Everything I said equally applies to Quinn or anyone else.

            The difference lies in the facts, here, not the law. Because you’re ignorant about the latter and engaged in comical contortions of the former, you always end up with these moronic points.

        • hams

          “When you hit a person and get hit back, you are not excused from what you did because they didn’t take the high road.”
          wow tell that to the rest of your buddies, they certainly like crying that they have received threats as well.

          • Pitchguest

            Or maybe it’s to point out an obvious double standard.

            Their threats matter. Ours don’t.

          • hams

            Or maybe it’s the point that you think they cancel each other out. Or maybe that you don’t think whatever threats GG has received was in response to the incredibly violent barrage that they opened with. If you want to be an adult, two wrongs don’t make a right, so you’re wrong. If you want to be childish ‘you started it’

          • Pitchguest

            No, I’m saying that people on both sides get threats and it’s a double standard to focus on just the one side. It’s also immeasurably stupid to make the narrative that Zoe is in any unique and deflecting any criticism to “she gets threats” is utterly meaningless when both sides gets them.

            But I don’t even know why I keep talking to you when you’ve demonstrated that you don’t care, or even acknowledge that this happens and that they might actually have an equal amount of weight attached to them. Still you insist that GG launched a “violent barrage” which has not been proven in any way, shape or form. But to you, it seems, facts are not important. Why I keep wasting my time with you is beyond me.

          • hams

            So you’re giving up then? Finally!

            GG is a trash movement started with trash principles infested with trash people. That’s never going to change until ya’ll get real with yourselves. Just reading the way ya’ll talk to people who disagree with you. The way you hold up the lamest bullshit like important proof. The insanely ridiculous attitude that we’re all required to prove over and over and over again that gamers harass women. Plenty of evidence in the thread, but you think you can win every little skirmish by crying for proof over and over.

            Melvin, I do not have time for that. I’m not claiming that GG doesn’t get threats. I just think it’s insincere and manipulative to pretend that cancels out the rest of the shit they did (and still do). You idiots are up in arms over a bad breakup. A BREAK UP. A GIRLFRIEND AND BOYFRIEND BROKE UP. Ya’ll seem to think that’s cause for any and all manner of abuse and psychopathy

            https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/593939018343059457/photo/1

            Spare me the incredulity or excuses. It just makes you look weaker.

          • Jack

            Come back when we open up Patreon accounts and beg for money because we do nothing productive.

          • hams

            Cool change of subject. Which part of that excuses the threats?

          • Jack

            The part where you guys are utter hypocrites about the subject.

          • hams

            Ah so the actions of an uninvolved 3rd party (I’m not ZQ and I’m not the ones threatening her) somehow provides an excuse, thanks for clearing that up.

          • Jack

            When you can justify your special pleading (which is based in what you are arguing, not who you identify with), then you’ll have some room to make a point.

      • calbeck357

        Translation: “the law won’t let us form a lynch mob on basis of mere suspicion, so the law doesn’t understand technology”.

        • doubtthat

          I mean, yes, you translated that from cogent English into gamerghazi gibberish, so I want to give you some points, but then…everything else is just so tired and gross.

          • calbeck357

            Yes, justice is tiring. Takes effort, as opposed to mere repeating of allegations as though they were inherently true. I wouldn’t call justice “gross”, though.

          • doubtthat

            Bad joke based on a bad premise.

            Step up your game.

          • calbeck357

            The fact that you think justice is a joke is quite telling. Have a great weekend.

          • doubtthat

            Trust me, it’s far sadder if you weren’t joking…

        • ReallyNotThough

          yes yes having people be arrested for online stalking is just like a lynch mob, also is reality even real how could we know

          • calbeck357

            Except, of course, that you merely presume stalking is going on, and that strictly on basis that it has been alleged.

            Assuming guilt, and demanding action, on basis of allegations alone? Yep, that’s the basis of any lynch mob worthy of the name.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Except, of course, that you merely presume stalking is going on, and that strictly on basis that it has been alleged.”

            Nope you can see GG stalking Quinn’s family on their forums right now.

            https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/5939390183430594577

            “allegations”

            Is it an allegation that hundreds of GG are lying about Quinn on this very thread?

          • calbeck357

            So you can link us to this forum where there is someone actually conducting stalking, or are you merely redefining “stalking” to mean something else?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The name of the forum is in the screencap.

            Did you read the screencap?

          • calbeck357

            AntiGGers phoned in a bomb threat on 300 people at a DC bar. Which is a federal felony. So sorry, but we’re really too busy over here being oppressed by the people you’re defending.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Someone certainly did. Quinn didn’t, though. So maybe GG still shouldn’t dox and lie about her.

          • calbeck357

            Still lying about GG doxxing Quinn, huh? -:)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still not reading links that show inconvenient facts, huh?

            https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/593939018343059457

  • Live the dream

    http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117661182576/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-1
    If you read the article read erons reply this kind of thing shold allow a reply from eron

    • doubtthat

      Jesus, that man is insane. This is what happens when a dark obsession is shared.

      Anyone who reads that post and finds (1) that it actually contradicts anything in the article or (2) helps to justify any of his behavior probably suffers from the same reality altering misogyny disorder.

      Goddamn.

      • SirKamyk

        Actually if you read it, it does contradict this article. This doesn’t mean that Gjoni is telling the truth and this article is lying…but I’m just saying. It really isn’t hard to notice that what Gjoni wrote does contradict this article.

        • doubtthat

          I did read it. What was the contradiction?

          The only point that could even be described as a contradiction is Gjoni claiming he said “others would make the case concerning the violation of the gag order” vs Gjoni saying he would violate it, himself.

          That’s a minor, minor point, as the issue remains that while expressing concern that the gag order would be violated, he was happy to talk in great detail. How does that remotely alter anything substantive?

          Then he claims his fear of eye contact plus ADD means things couldn’t have happened the way the writer said. That contradicts nothing. That doesn’t even establish something like the minor point above.

          The context of Gjoni’s friend’s statement changes nothing about what was written in Boston Magazine. What was omitted is just more of the rambling grudge against Quinn which all sane people realize is totally irrelevant.

          Gjoni is mostly pissed that the writer wasn’t blown away with the super-specific bullshit from a 5 month relationship. It just doesn’t matter what was contained in those facebook messages, and Gjoni’s inability to grasp this is hilarious.

          He want the Boston Mag to say, “I read the emails, man he was right about everything, Zoe is a bitch.” Sane people realize that even if Zoe did all the things Gjoni said she did in exactly the way he describes, that in no way justifies any of the subsequent harassment, nor his obsession and fixation on this issue – he’s going back and forth on publishing a follow up. He can’t let this 5 month relationship go. It’s disturbing.

          • SirKamyk

            First, Eron points out that Zachary contradicts himself about the place where Zoe and Eron first hung out. True, this isn’t contradicting the article – this is the article contradicting itself. Fine.

            In the second part of Gjoni’s blog:
            He contradicts Zachary’s article by saying that Massachusetts General Hospital does not have a robotics lab, as the article claims that Gjoni was fired from this lab.
            He contradicts Zachary’s article in that he says he does not have access to Zoe’s email, text or facebook accounts, whereas Zachary claims he extracted data from them.
            He contradicts Zachary in denying that he was obsessing over Zoe.
            He contradicts Zachary by saying that he could not have fled the Kosovo War because he moved in 1996 whereas the war started in 1998.

            These are the contradictions. I might have missed some, I just skimmed over the text again.

          • hams

            Wow a bunch of incredibly minor quibbles, fascinating.

            I haven’t seen any significant factual contradictions. What kind of ultra-melvin thinks pointing out the date of the war in Kosovo somehow discredits the rest of the article. Btw you realize that things usually get pretty fucking bad before a war right?

            All these complaints amount to saying “Actually I wasn’t wearing a yellow shirt it was CHARTREUSE, OMG LIBEL”

            Btw I like the quote from his friend that was taken out of context. Notice how she basically says ‘I’ve never seen any wrongdoing from ZQ personally, only what Egon has told me’. How damning!

          • SirKamyk

            I never said they weren’t minor. I just wanted to point out that doubtthat was wrong in his assertion that there weren’t any contradictions between this here article and Gjoni’s posts.

            And true, things are usually bad before a war. Perhaps that isn’t a contradiction after all. Perhaps it is, I have no intention of researching the Kosovo War because it is as you pointed out, pretty irrelevant.

            What I am more concerned about is how Zachary writes that Gjoni extracted data from Zoe’s Facebook, text and email accounts, and how Gjoni said that he does not have access to these. And I do not see how he would have access to them if Zoe did not give him her passwords. If he DID have access to these, then I am pretty sure he would have included material from them in The Zoe Post, which he has not.

            And honestly, I’m just trying to be unbiased here. I have no idea whether Gjoni is telling the truth or not, but seeing as he has evidence on his side that Quinn has not disputed, and that he has the legal system on his side, makes it seem as though maybe, just maybe, people have no right to slander him like this.

            To this you might say that of course we should slander him since he published The Zoe Post. And while I agree that this was not the most mature thing for him to do, there is a possibility to entertain here. This possibility is, like the GG’ers say, that Zoe Quinn is a compulsive liar and manipulative psychopath. In which case, Eron Gjoni might have published that piece genuinely in the hopes of warning people against her.
            If people liked Quinn, or disliked Gjoni, why would they start a lynch mob against her? Hell, if they felt neutral, why would they do it?

            Which leaves the explanation that this mob took to abusing Quinn because they hate her. Now, this could be because she’s a woman, but come on, who actually believes that? Who would look at someone’s blog and go, “Yeah, I hate women, so let’s send this random girl threats”? Because I’ll tell you who will not do that. The vast majority of gamers. They are not misogynists. My source is first hand experience hand experience here.
            So can it be, that Quinn is actually the manipulative psychopath Gjoni and people from GamerGate say? I have no idea, but it seems possible, at least.

          • Pitchguest

            Here’s a minor quibble.

            We’ve always been at war with Eurasia.

            We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

            Just a few letters out of place. Doesn’t change anything in the slightest.

          • hams

            OH wow. The amount of doublethink required….to use that reference…oh god..victory gin

            I”m walking down the golden hallway with julia and o’bannon everything is fine just waiting for the bullet to the back of my head. you’ve done it now.

      • Live the dream

        It does contradict FACTS IN THE ARTICLE. As in the objective reality of what did or didn’t happen. Do you think objecting to factual inaccuracies is a misogynistic position ?

        • doubtthat

          1) Most of the points weren’t really contradictions, they were angst over framing or petty semantic nonsense. That’s an important difference.

          2) The “facts” he claims are wrong are demonstrably correct, in large part.

          3) Some portion is just semantic stupidity: worked on robotics at a lab in a hospital vs. worked at a robotics lab in a hospital.

          He’s clearly a misogynist who tried, and failed miserably, to contradict points. The one doesn’t necessarily follow from the other, it’s just true in this case.

    • Cat Reid

      No, “right of reply” is something gamergate idiots invented because they have no idea how journalism works.

      • Live the dream

        Should not in a legal obligation way but rather as something that i would like to see. One sided narratives are damaging. To give one side of an issue a megaphone and deny the other side a voice may be legally fine and perhaps ethically according to journalistic standards. But I see it as wrong in a philosophical sense of denying one a chance to defend themselves.

        • Cat Reid

          Thank god hundreds of professional journalists looked at this issues and saw that the gg side was full of frothing conspirators and didn’t actually deserve more time than necessary. *phew*

          • Live the dream

            Frothing mouth ? wtf are you talking about the only person who is insulting people is you. I gave my explanation but instead of doing anything or arguing you just called my frothing mouth conspirators?
            Where have i said anything about conspiracy?

  • obamaisscum

    There are two kinds of ladies –
    Ladies who like to have good time with men for money or because of poor moral. These are called w hores. Then there are ladies with good moral you marry. They are virgin.

    In America, there is confusion. All women w hore. You would not take bride who lose virgin at 12 or 13, who sleep with 50 or 60 men, who have sex with several men at one time and sometimes
    animal like German Shephard dog, who allow penetration of a nus, who receive e jaculating on their body and face and in their mouth and who sometimes drink u rine.

    American woman is filth!

    American woman equals thing in
    toilet!

    • Michael Lindsay

      There is one type of man with the username obamaisscum.

      He is a man who can type one handed faster than you!

  • Andrea Porzio

    anti-GGers are like Gandhi in their peaceful protest against the established power and corporate corruption of the power hungry plutocrats behind GG. with facts and moral high ground on their part, anti-GG will prevail, as Gandhi himself said (likely thinking of anti-GGers) “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah, about that article huh?

      Something about an article?

    • Jack Layton

      Tell that to the people who call GGs “Pedophiles”, “Rapists”, “Stalkers”, “Child Abductors” and other words that I wont mention.

      • ginmar

        You threaten rape and you whine about being called a rapist? And yeah, prove the rest. No more made up 8chan ops, thanks. We’ve all seen those transcripts.

        • Live the dream

          Threaten rape?

          Feminists have recently sent bomb threats against protein world. Feminists have sent death threats to mark kern, eron and american mcgee. Feminists are thus just as bad if not worse than gamergate. Congradulations according to your standard feminism must end.

        • Jack Layton

          First of all, to ‘prove the rest’ http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/30/7460777/gamergate-2014-just-the-worst
          Bang done. Now, as to the other part, yes a small fraction of us threaten rape. And we call them demented inhumane barbarians as well, but we cant stop them, because if GG ended they would still be there

      • Cat Reid

        Technically, GG was accused of aiding and helping pedophiles via defending and funding 8chan child porn fun.
        Gamergate are pretty obviously stalkers, taking it to new crowdsourced heights of creepiness.
        Rapists, just because every GG target gets flooded by rape threats.
        And child abductors? Not sure where you go that one though.

        • Jack

          But the Antis are quick to scramble and double-back when one of theirs posts and distributes CP, or when some of their most prominent members have engaged in the worst animal abuse.

          They’re a good ally though, right?

          • Cat Reid

            “one of theirs” what are you even talking about? There is gamergate, then there is the rest of the world disgusted by gamergate. Grow the hell up, this isn’t a video game.

          • Pitchguest

            Yes, the rest of the world. Indeed. However, there are also those who have no idea what Gamergate even is and those who do. And those who do and oppose it actively support a former neo-Nazi; a man who downloaded and distributed child porn onto a website to prove that there is childporn on that website; and a person who has engaged in animal abuse most vile.

            You see, when we refer to “anti-GG”, we don’t refer to the people not already in the know. We refer to people in the know. But maybe that makes too much sense.

          • hams

            Sorry who are we supporting? It’s not complicated. We all say “hey is that scum?” then we take a closer look “yeah I think that’s scum” then the scum starts spewing slurs “hey everybody watch out for this scum here” then the scums like ‘im honestly feeling so attacked rn’

          • EpicFails

            “former” is the key word
            Supporters of GG
            King of Pol -racist
            Internetaristocrat- anti-semitic
            Paul Elam -Misogynist
            8chan – baphnet and CP
            Breitbart liars
            The list goes on and on.

          • Pitchguest

            You can go ahead and call Breitbart liars all you like. That doesn’t stop them from exposing facts that should have been done months ago by other sources. That they didn’t is a failing. The publication Breitbart has also risen in popularity over the past few months, which I hate because it’s a publication from Andrew Breitbart. Why was it that Breitbart had to pick up the slack from other, more “reputable” sources?

            Also, if you’re going to call them liars, then at least do the adult thing and provide proof to go with your claim. You’re not a child. You can’t just chant “liar, liar, pants on fire” and call it a day.

            By the way, Baphomet? Loathes GG as much as it does anti-GG. They think both groups are losers and wouldn’t blink an eye to punish either one of them. But you would know this if you actually cared.

          • EpicFails
          • Pitchguest

            So you think that because I support the publication Breitbart giving Gamergate a fair shake and actually doing its duty to report facts and not hearsay, you think I support Andrew Breitbart? You’re a moron.

          • EpicFails

            Breibart lapped up the lies because it suited its political agenda to so. Stormfront did as well. The Burgers and Fries logs show how this began you can screech all you want but it is still the truth. Keep defending this stalker and it is on you Gjoni fanboy

          • Pitchguest

            So let me get this straight. Everything that publication Breitbart writes is a lie and what every other media publication writes is the truth? Just to be clear: publication Breitbart made their suspicions known about the UVA rape case before “Jackie” was shown to be a fraud. Was that a lie? Or is it just what they write about Gamergate that’s a lie?

            Is the claim that Gamergate is a hate movement that wants to drive women out of the gaming industry also something that you cling to as fact, even though it’s been debunked, because the media reports it as such? How about the fact that several thousand dollars have been donated for women to get a leg up in the industry by Gamergate supporters? How about the fact that plenty of women voiced their support for GG early on but were shouted down as sockpuppets of white men to such an extent that they had to take pictures of themselves with a sign that said “#NotYourShield” to prove that what they said was true? Does that swing you in any way?

            I’m going to take a wild guess and say no.

            The “Burgers and Fries logs”? The “Burgers and Fries logs” were two days after the Zoepost. How can it start something when it had already begun? By the time of the “Burgers and Fries logs” the censorship had already taken hold and a day after that, on the 19th, TotalBiscuit made a Twitlonger that was posted on his subreddit and over 25,000 posts were deleted. This was the prelude to Gamergate. Maybe you and Zoe wants to believe otherwise, but that’s what happens when you commit mass censorship. People start talking.

          • EpicFails

            Donating to TFYC a for profit company meh. But they support GG so its all good for GG supporters. I think 8% went to 1 woman the rest went to the company.

          • Pitchguest

            Sorry, did you just ignore everything I just said just to point out that TFYC is a for-profit company? I dare say, that’s pretty fucking irrelevant. Whatever it is, it’s a company that entered 5 women into a game-making contest where people could vote for which game attracted them the most and the winner would get their game made, but all contestants would still get a share of the profits.

            People donated thousands of dollars, THRICE, because the Indiegogo campaign was hacked and shut down twice and the money they had collected had been recalled to zero. In order for any of them to get a leg up in the industry, TFYC did much more for them than Zoe Quinn or any other company for that matter.

            As for the profits,

            “The winner would receive eight percent of the profits, with another eight percent going towards future contests, ten percent going towards the production company, and the remainder being donated to charity …”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Wow, so 72 grand went to a mostly male development studio, to develop a game, of which 10% will be kept by the development studio, 8% will be kicked back to the dude who organized it, and 8% will go towards a single non-developer woman.

            Def sounds like an efficient way to support “women in game development”

            TFYC did much more for them”

            Who is the them? It’s one woman, singular.

          • Pitchguest

            Do you understand what getting a leg up in the industry means? I haven’t seen a single other source doing the same thing that TFYC did, offering them to make them a game of their own choosing, to pay for the costs, production, everything. Not a one. RebelJam, the simiar venture by Zoe Quinn? Hasn’t even started. You can’t donate to it, you can’t opt in to it. It just sits there, with a donate button that goes directly to Zoe Quinn herself.

            Also, Autobotika is a development studio of mostly women, so nice of you to erase them in your quest for equality. 10% will be given to the studio for the production costs, 8% (and an additional 8% for future contests, so 16%) to the winner and the rest to charity. How is this unfair, exactly, when neither of the women who entered had to provide any money of their own for the production of their game?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Do you understand what getting a leg up in the industry means?”

            Yes. This is not it. No studio wants an “ideas person.” Learn something about the industry.

            ” I haven’t seen a single other source doing the same thing that TFYC did,”

            That’s because only TFYC is a thin cover for a shady crowdfunding campaign.

            Google “Girls who code” if you want to see what actual orgs do.

            “Also, Autobotika is a development studio of mostly women,”

            Nope. It’s 9 men (including Matt) and 3 women. Try lying less.

            I didn’t say it was unfair. I said there are more efficient ways to fund women developers than giving 72 grand to a company owned and operated by men in the hopes that a couple hundred bucks will trickle down to a woman.

          • Pitchguest

            Five women entered a contest to get the opportunity to get to create a game of their own concept and design. Just because there’s only one winner doesn’t mean that the opportunity wasn’t given to the others all the same. They were all given the chance. What other company has done the same?

          • EpicFails

            Well that is still unimpressive when you break it down.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha yet another example of GG not realizing when they argue against their own points

          • Pitchguest

            You do realise TFYC would handle the production costs of everything, including developing the game, while the women who entered gets to serve as creative consultant (because it’s the games of these women they’re making), right?

            Essentially they’re getting paid for simply providing a concept. And all the women who entered got paid for just providing an idea. The winner, however, would get a share of the profits of the finished game. 8% to the developer, 10% to the company, and the rest to charity.

            My god. I can’t believe this is the problem you have with it. It’s a contest designed to get more women interested in game design and you slam it because they only get 8% of the profits.

          • EpicFails

            You use many words with little or no substance Eron Fanboy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “while the women who entered gets to serve as creative consultant”

            Wow unpaid labor that results in no actual training or job skills for one person.

            That’s definitely worth 72 grand.

          • Pitchguest

            Unpaid labour? Jesus Christ.

          • Pitchguest

            Yes, Amanda Marcotte is such an authority in the journalistic trade. Remember when she wrote that the people who questioned the rape accusations by Crystal Mangum to the Duke Lacrosse team were ‘rape-loving scum’? Or when she supported Sabrina Erdely about the UVA rape case, and now again when she’s thrown herself headfirst about another alleged rape case.

            Forgive if I won’t take her words at face value. Sorry to disappoint. However as it happens I know exactly what she’s talking about and while childish, it would perhaps carry more weight if feminists did not pull a familiar stunt with supposed naked pictures of Emma Watson that was said be leaked online by 4chan or whatever and it turns out, actually, it was a feminist ploy all along. How very mature.

            Also, I seem to recall another feminist venture by a writer at Polygon who decided to register a website with the name Lego Dimensions a day before they (Lego) were set to announce it (probably breaking some sort of NDA in the process), holding it for ransom while also redirecting it to Polygon. Indeed. I can see you have the high ground in this.

          • EpicFails

            google is your friend there were at least 5 other articles not written by Marcotte that say the same thing. Keep defending stalkers if you want to it’s your life.

          • Pitchguest

            5 other articles that said the same thing Marcotte said about the Duke Lacrosse team? Is that supposed to help your case? Because it just made it worse.

          • EpicFails

            Wow, her article was about Paul Elam stealing the White Ribbon Campaign name stalker fanboy. But great attempt at deflection. GG at its finest deflect ,lie, deny, rinse and repeat.

          • Pitchguest

            Look, I can tell you’re not the brightest bulb in the box, but the least you can do is pay attention. Look at this quote right there.

            However as it happens I know exactly what she’s talking about and while childish, it would perhaps carry more weight if feminists did not pull a familiar stunt …

            That is me telling you plainly that I know exactly what Marcotte’s talking about and I even acknowledge that the act was childish. That you failed to understand this is not my problem. That’s yours and your lack of reading comprehension. Oh, sorry. Wait. Not ‘comprehension.’ I wouldn’t want to sound like Skeletor now, do I? Just replace it whatever word you think best suits you. I dropped out of college. I’m not as clever as you are.

          • EpicFails

            This is the headline Fanboy it is about the White Ribbon Campaign
            “Men’s Rights” Group Tries To Lure Visitors Away From Anti–Domestic Violence Website

          • Pitchguest

            I know it is! I’ve already told you I know it is!

            Are you autistic or something?

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get that this is exactly why no-one wants GG at conventions, right?

          • EpicFails

            Isn’t that what chaners call each lol? Is the FBI still watching you guys?

          • Pitchguest

            You can’t seem to focus on what I’m saying and you keep repeating things that I’ve already established I know. I mean, you can keep saying what the article was about again and again ’til the cows come home. That doesn’t change the fact that I already know that and I already told you that I know that several times.

            Incapable of absorbing simple, clear information once it’s been provided to you is to me a sign of autism. I’m not knocking autistic people, I’m saying you’re either autistic (in which case I apologise for my rudeness) or very, very stupid.

          • ReallyNotThough

            wow that was weak, at least own your shitty personality

          • EpicFails

            Great rant Chucklehead. I love when GG puts its best foot forward. lol You guys should wear GG Tshirts in public just for the lutz. Tell me how it goes for you. afterwards.

          • ginmar

            Another bitter, banned, rapist-apologist troll of Marcotte’s.

          • Pitchguest

            Er, yeah. Feel free to enlighten me how this makes her reporting on the Duke Lacrosse team or the UVA rape case anymore credible.

          • ginmar

            Explain why you really, really want to extrapolate from Duke to the whole world of women. Explain to me why you believe that lying asshole should be believed even after he’s been proven to be a lying asshole but Marcotte acting in good faith is somehow bad faith.

            Nice double standard you got there.

          • Pitchguest

            To the whole world of women?

            I’m referring to Amanda Marcotte and Amanda Marcotte alone. If you want me to speak plainly, and very plainly it seems, Amanda Marcotte has shown on several occasions she has no journalistic integrity whatsoever and her credibility as a journalist is questionable AT BEST. Hence, I will be a bit more restrained taking her words at face value. In fact, *very* restrained.

            And that “lying asshole”, are you referring to Paul Elam or Breitbart? I’ve already said I thought what Paul Elam did was childish. I’m guessing it has to refer to Paul since publication Breitbart is not a single entity. Unless, of course, you also think I’m referring to Andrew Breitbart in which case you are also, like EpicFails, a moron. (In case you didn’t already know, Andrew Breitbart died in 2012. No, I didn’t like Andrew Breitbart. I loathed Andrew Breitbart. The world is a better place without Andrew Breitbart. Happy?)

          • Jack

            Antis aren’t the ‘rest of the world’. That’s long since been established.

            The whole ‘this isn’t a game’ lamenting just further establishes how you people don’t really game.

            Though, it’s alright. The people who matter know better.

          • Cat Reid

            Yes, long since established by tinfoil hat wearing conspirators. You have no concept of self awareness as to how the mass of reality sees your nutty conquests.

            The gaming world is disgusted by your delusional rampages.

          • Jack

            It’s a conspiracy that it isn’t the rest of the world, when little to nothing really establishes that. Yet, this mostly uncited article is totally legit.

            Yeah, that self-awareness, though. You’re not the gaming world when so few of your community barely play or even know much of games.

          • Cat Reid

            Aaam Baldwin. CH Sommers, Milo, oh your fearless non-gamer leaders egging you on!

          • Jack

            Baldwin isn’t a leader, he is mocks the Antis. CS Sommers is an academic and Milo was introduced into gaming during his coverage of this.

            Backed by a variety of outspoken devs, anonymous and otherwise to defend the integrity of the artform.

            Contrast to.. a bunch reactionary moral slaktivists who outright lie about their experiences with gaming to push censorship.

            No thanks.

        • Jack Layton

          First, ill just pass over this link which includes us being accused of child abductors in it. http://www.polygon.com/2014/12/30/7460777/gamergate-2014-just-the-worst
          So, its pretty easy to call faceless names all these thing isn’t it? Now, how would you respond if I say famous people also support us? Ever heard of Adam Sandler? Gonna call him a stalker or a misogynist? Remember, we are real people and your attempts to remove our identity will not wrok.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nowhere in that article does it accuse you of being child abductors.

            Stop lying all the damn time.

          • Jack Layton

            Your write, with this part I was wrong. I was working of memory from this article

            ‘The latest issue that GamerGate has taken up is, incredibly, child pornography. Members of the group have recently written rape fantasies about one of its targets and briefly sold them on Amazon. The response to these situations is always the same: The group isn’t responsible for what some of its members do.’

            We were actually accused of child pornography, so much better

          • ReallyNotThough

            “We were actually accused of child pornography”

            Yeah that’ll happen when you run, mod, and pay the bandwidth for the net’s most notorious CP website.

            Maybe GG could stop doing that.

          • Jack Layton

            And please do tell, what is ‘the worlds most notorious CP (I think that’s child porn, correct me if I’m wrong) website is?

          • ReallyNotThough

            8chan.

            try to keep up

          • Jack Layton

            Yep, heard it here first folks. Because some of our members use 8chan we can have our identity’s removed and be told are so many things we are not. Why am I not surprised you support harassers

          • ReallyNotThough

            “some”

            try “original and most active”

            “use”

            try “fund, own, and mod”

            “be told are so many things we are not”

            If you’re not pro-child-porn, don’t support people who are. Hell, Cernovich came out quite strongly arguing that it was okay. Is GG going to stop supporting him?

            “identity’s removed”

            Nope. You chose to identify with a movement that supports the world’s least ethical journalist, child porn aggregators, and domestic abuse writ large.

            We are acknowledging this choice of identity.

          • Jack Layton

            Nope, the media gave us the identity’s you know. Sure the extremists don’t help, but there are extremist anti GG’s, and we don’t judge you of that. All this illegal bullshit is bullshit invented by the media, and you are one of the suckers who ate up every word they said.
            Look at yourself, you gave up reasonable arguments and have been reduced to insulting us. You have been reduced to one of this of which you originally accused us of…

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Nope, the media gave us the identity’s you know.”

            The media didn’t make you identify with GG. Take responsibility for yourself.

            “the extremists”

            If you’re referring to people harassing and lying about Quinn, they number in the thousands and were the original core, and had the original reason, for your movement.

            ” is bullshit invented by the media”

            Please explain how the media invented the hundreds of GG on this very thread lying about Quinn.

            “who ate up every word they said”

            Has it occurred to you that I can see the lies, harassment, fatshaming, and sexism with my own eyes?

            “to insulting us”

            If you consider supporting child pornographers to be an insult, a strong move would be to leave the movement whose headquarters and main figureheads support it.

            I don’t know why you find this to be a challenging concept.

          • Jack Layton

            The harassment is real, and a real problem. And yes, I consider calling us child pornographers insulting. As do most people who support GG. When will you understand that all these insults and accusations are being created by the media.
            And you claim you can see the lies, and yet you believe the media. When will it get through your thick skull that all these insults and complaints you have about us are from the media.
            Also I can’t resist pointing out that you when you read my comments you cant respond to the whole thing. You have to respond to selective parts, and make sure to twist the words to suite yourself

          • ReallyNotThough

            “And yes, I consider calling us child pornographers insulting.”

            Then try not being a movement that supports child pornographers, not sure how this is hard.

            “When will you understand that all these insults and accusations are being created by the media.”

            Huh? The media didn’t put child pornography on 8chan. They just didn’t. Stop throwing a tantrum whenever someone calls a spade a spade.

            “you cant respond to the whole thing”

            I notice you didn’t explain how the media forced GG to swarm this article telling hateful lies about Quinn.

            How about you respond to my entire comment and we’ll go from there?

          • Jack Layton

            Okay lets see,
            1st part, WE ARE NOT A MOVMENT THAT SUPPORTS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY get that in your tiny head
            2nd part, I seriously doubt 8chan has child pornography, and if it does (which it would be taken down for) I really don’t want to know how you know this..
            3rd part, how would the media a small demented disgusting portion of us attack people? Remember, we (unlike you) don’t believe or do what the media says.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “1st part, WE ARE NOT A MOVMENT THAT SUPPORTS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ”

            Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to stop owning and supporting a child pornography website, then, to avoid confusion in that regard.

            “2nd part, I seriously doubt 8chan has child pornography”

            Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea for GG like you to defend and excuse a child pornography website, if you don’t want people to think you support it.

            “I really don’t want to know how you know this..”

            Multiple articles about it. The FBI call it a “known problem.”

            “3rd part, how would the media a small demented disgusting portion of us attack people?”

            I see hundreds of people on this very thread libeling Quinn, and thousands on Twitter attacking women

            Is the media inventing them?

            You can say the media is slandering people all you want, but here GG is, justifying the domestic abuse of a woman and equivocating about child porn.

            It’s not the media making you look bad. It’s you.

          • Jack Layton

            Okay, this is gonna have to be my last post cause I have a historiography report to finish. But let me tell you this. You have been brought in by a media. We have proof, you don’t. We have the moral high ground, you don’t. And we are winning, you are not. You can go ahead sprouting all this nonsense about child pornography and all this rubbish about supporting child porn and all this nonsense. But look at yourself, you have gone from reasonable arguments to doing nothing but insulting us. And remember, we are winning. Numerous websites have recently changed their ethic’s policy (What we have been gunning for).

            One last thing, at least TRY to created an unbiased view of the matter so you don’t look like a complete idiot all the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4
            It’s a minute and a halve video explaining the start of Gamergate. Go their and argue about GG their for all I care, and be ripped apart by thousands upon thousands of people so you can vitness the full extent of Gamergate.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You have been brought in by a media. ”

            Nope, don’t make assumptions about people.

            I was brought in by following GG’s victims on Twitter.

            ” And we are winning”

            You know life isn’t a video game, right?

            “nonsense”

            It’s not nonsense. Just look at some of the board names in 8chan, for Pete’s sake.

            “Numerous websites have recently changed their ethic’s policy”

            Ethics policies change all the time. Notice how there’s no proof GG caused any of that?

            And even if they did, do slightly better reviews for toys really justify a campaign of terror and hate against multiple women?

            “It’s a minute and a halve video explaining the start of Gamergate.”

            Does it at any point apologize for the mass libel and hate directed at various women? Then I’m not particulatrly interested.

            I grew up on Nintendo Power. I can live with text that sometimes oversells toys.

            I’m not as okay with, say, the recent GG contest where everyone who called a certain woman the n-word got a beta key.

          • Jack Layton

            Hello again, not here to argue with you as I am have lots do. Just wanted to show this news article to prove the point that harassment comes from both sides. http://kotaku.com/gamergate-meetup-evacuated-after-apparent-threat-1701761645
            Yeah, bomb squad was called in after threats to blow up a GG meeting, the first official meeting there was. You know, if an official meeting had been held and people to represent us had been elected it would have helped stop all these arguments that we and countless other people have been having. However, and anti GG person decided to harass them and threaten to blow them up.
            Just though it would be nice to point out this does happen to us to

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah, I say GG celebrating it on Twitter, calling getting a bomb threat “the best night ever.”

            “this does happen to us to”

            Then maybe stop doing it en masse to others and supporting those who do.

          • Jack Layton

            HANG ON (back again), but you haven’t apologized for what we received, nobody has. All you did was dismiss it and said that it didn’t matter. And you said you wouldn’t watch the video because it didn’t say sorry for the harassment. Well, you assumed that id didn’t. And really, I don’t care about the video, but it PROVES that you don’t care to look at the argument from any side but you own. I’ll be back again if you goof up like then, or more evidence come out.

          • Cat Reid

            Quite literally, gamergate is indeed the worst thing in gaming in a long long time.

          • ginmar

            You lying sack of shit. I READ that article and there’s nothing there about child abduction. Nothing in the links, either. Apparently you assgators didn’t learn your lesson when you dumped the whole chat log and thought nobody would read it.

            Say good bye to your credibility.

          • Jack Layton

            I apologize, someone else pointed this out as well (Though less aggressively) and fair enough, I was only working off memory after all. What they actually accused us of is child pornography, because that’s so much better…

  • Lucia Lolita

    Like a run over skunk by the side of the road, I feel sorry for this man child. Everything about him stinks to high heaven, but wow, who’d want to live in his skin?

    • NastyNinja

      You would be the authority on stink. Close your legs.

      • Lucia Lolita

        Ooooh. Burn.

        • NastyNinja

          Oh, damn. If that’s the case, you might have an std. Other than the burning, is there any discoloration or itching? Does it hurt to pee, etc?

        • NastyNinja

          awwwww wiw girwy can dish it out but can’t take it so she fwags my wittle comment. awwww :'(

          • DieInAFire

            Go back to your dorm.

          • NastyNinja

            Go do what your name says.

          • DieInAFire

            You’re gonna fail your final if you keep wasting your time on the internet like this.

          • NastyNinja

            LOL what kind of insult was that? “I bet you go to college” durrr hurrr

          • DieInAFire

            Your parents weren’t super happy with your marks last semester, and I know your self-conscious about gaining the Freshman 15, but don’t worry. This is your chance to turn things around – just buckle down and study! Come on, it’s your time to shine!

          • NastyNinja

            Way off. Besides, it’s only the bitches that grow a disgusting fupa that need to worry about the freshman 15. And I’m guessing YOU are the guy that tells them how beautiful they are so they give you a sympathy HJ :)

          • DieInAFire

            Aw, that’s really sweet that you need to prove how attractive you are to me, but totally unnecessary. What’s important is that you know YOU are a beautiful person, inside and out. You’re going to have so much fun in university once you embrace that fact and come out of your shell!

          • hams

            Hey attention all GamerGators, this is misogyny. Right here in front of your face. Should we wait for you to condemn it or what?

          • Pitchguest

            Insulting a single woman is not misogyny, you imbecile.

            And if she dishes it out and someone dishes it out right back at her, that’s called … oh, what’s that word that you people can’t seem to understand? Right. *Equality.*

            But continue to treat her like an infant who can’t take care of herself. Real feminist of you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Insulting a single woman is not misogyny”

            If you insult them using sexist stereotypes and language?

            Yes. Yes it is.

          • Pitchguest

            Haha. What stereotype would that be?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Being childish? Misogynists have been on top of that one since suffragette days.

            Also, having smelly genitals?

            Like, you get how guys like Ninja make you all look like douchey 12-year-olds, right?

          • Pitchguest

            And now you’re just being nonsensical. I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.

            Just to reiterate, if you have trouble reading that far, this is the comment that was dished:

            “Like a run over skunk by the side of the road, I feel sorry for this man child. Everything about him stinks to high heaven, but wow, who’d want to live in his skin?”

            Very mature. Not ‘douchey’ at all. And then this is the comment that was dished back:

            “awwwww wiw girwy can talk dish it out but can’t take it so she fwags my wittle comment. awwww :'(”

            Which was, of course, called ‘misogyny’ right off the bat. Because apparently women have to be treated with kid gloves and they can’t fend for themselves thus any criticism (or insult) has to be deemed ‘misogyny.’ Because a single woman represents the entirety of women everywhere.

            Moreover, I was the one who said that women *shouldn’t* be treated like children and you say that’s a stereotype? What? And insinuating that someone has “smelly genitals” isn’t as peurile as saying “everything about him stinks to high heaven”? If you’re going to talk crap, then regardless if you’re a man or a woman you should expect to get some pushback. Please learn that when you speak of equality, that means you want all of it. The good and the bad. You don’t get to pick and choose. It doesn’t work that way. It hasn’t for men, it shouldn’t for women. That is, unless you’re saying that women should be treated “special.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Her comment was pretty fair, I have no idea where you’d disagree with it.

          • Referee2Insanity

            Did you not see the flagged comment above?

          • NastyNinja

            I hate gg. I’m deathly allergic to logic and I always listen and believe a feminist when she tells me she got gang raped by a frat at UVA

          • hams

            “I hate gg. I’m deathly allergic to logic”
            trust me, GG and logic allergy are definitely not mutually exclusive. Scroll up and down for evidence.

          • NastyNinja

            Evidence is what GG provides. Aggros are the ones just parroting talking points.

          • hams

            Every single piece of evidence provided in this thread has been a fucking joke. I’m embarrassed to have even taken the time to read it, it’s that weak.

          • Pitchguest

            That’s because you can’t read.

            Well.

            Or you have the attention span of a 1-year old.

          • hams

            Sure, it can’t be that I recognize trash when I see it. Hey let me know how the conspiracy theories go, I’m sure you guys will catch the lizard people any day now.

          • NastyNinja

            If you read the evidence and are still holding your position then I conclude that you are mentally retarded. Case closed.

          • hams

            Hey buddy here’s your rocks back, nice glass house.

          • NastyNinja

            Thanks, but it’s not my house. Stop trying to sell it to me, moron.

          • GP

            I bet lots of people did, including GG cause, you know, you’re putting a whole damper on the whole “we’re not train-wreck garbage misogyny monsters!” thing.

  • Cat Reid

    “GAMERGATE ISN’T ABOUT ZOE!!!!”
    5821 creepily obsessive comments later…
    “WHY DOES NO ONE BELIEVE US???”

    • Pitchguest

      You’re the ones who keep bringing her up, you incomprehensible buffoons. Close to zero threads dedicated to Zoe Quinn on the many dedicated Gamergate hubs around the internet. The only times she’s brought up is when the media brings her up, again and again and again, flogging that dead horse, blaming other people (Gamergate) for her misfortune. Which, if you look at the picture up top, doesn’t look like much misfortune has befallen her. Almost as if they’re … exaggerating? Lying, even?

      No, the press would never lie about anything. The press is pure.

      Right?

      • Cat Reid

        The press has formed a pretty huge consensus in to how terrible, juvenile, and pathetic gamergate is. Hundreds of reporters have looked in to it, done the research, watched the videos, seen your mspaint charts, and all concluded that it is the worst.
        You are the chemtrails conspiracists of the video game world, except that you also crowd-source harassment.

        • SirKamyk

          Why is GamerGate pathetic? I see nothing bad in wanting honest journalism for video games.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha “why is it pathetic to justify lying about and harassing a woman with a flimsy excuse regarding the impartiality of toy reviews”

            Think about that sentiment for a bit.

          • Live the dream

            WHICH ARE THE LIES?
            remember making MISTAKES is not LYING. To lie infers an intent to decieve. If people honestly believe something its not LIES is it?

        • Pitchguest

          The press still keeps insisting that Gamergate is a hate movement that wants to drive women out of the gaming industry, even though that has been debunked several times over. The very fact that women and minorities had to create their own hashtag (#NotYourShield) to emphasise the point that they don’t want to be co-opted into the group that opposes it simply because they’re women and minorities just cements how badly the press has been gathering information.

          The job of journalists is to look at both sides of the issue, not just sticking to one. That’s what creates hit pieces like the one about the fraternity at University of Virginia, an alleged gang rape that didn’t actually happen.

          I mean, that you actually want to downplay, or outright ignore, the harassment and threats to people pro-Gamergate – because only people of your clique is susceptible to that sort of thing – is telling me that you’re not actually interested in the facts at all. And if you’re annoyed at the “mspaint charts” because they’re amateurish or what have you, then blame the actual journalists whose job it is to expose what the consumers have done for free.

          • Proto Man

            While the job of the press is to look at both sides of the issue, it is also their job to pick a side. The purpose of journalism is not publishing wishy-washy he said/she said articles. And yes, while “the press” sometimes does get facts and stories wrong, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that maybe, just maybe, it’s not a massive conspiracy and maybe the numerous, numerous articles by people about GG indicate that maybe something is wrong with Gamergate!

            Look I’m just saying that the FBI doesn’t have an open case file on games journalism.

        • Snoopy

          1. GG says: Press is bad and unethical.
          2. Press says: Press is good. GG is evil.
          Which part of that do you not understand?

          • hams

            You know that goes both ways, right?
            Let’s not forget all the people who aren’t in either group that also think GG is scum. Hi!

          • Pitchguest

            Then you should apply for the James Randi million to know what so many ignorant minds think. I think you have a sure thing.

          • Snoopy

            Let’s see.. for 8 months, the press (led by Gawker and Vox game press outlets), has driven a relentless demonising and smearing campaign against GG, and most mainstream media outlets have swallowed the story WITHOUT doing their own research.

            How do we know that? Well, most have tried to passing things they COULD NOT have possibly factchecked, others have admitted that they do not care about the truth as long as the feminist angle can be pushed, and others have copypasta’d so carelessly that within the first 8 hours after an article is released, at least 1 or 2 substantial corrections are added to the article. But that of course only happens with outlets who at least PRETEND to exercise journalism. The rest? Immoral, click-baiting gang bangers and blood hounds.

            And such a long going smear campaign has inevitable consequences. As uttered elsewhere, rabid antis described GG as “ISIS”, “worse than Hitler”, “just like the KKK”, and many of them have expressed their earnest desire to mass murder us all if they only had the opportunity to do so. This isn’t a difference of opinion. This isn’t political or ideological opposition. This is a pogrom, led by the press. And everyone knows it.

            We understand, that as casuals, you don’t know much – but at least know this:
            By now, every single GG’er knows in detail why mainstream media cannot be trusted. These people are dangerous. Their careless, manipulative distortions cause race riots, moral panics, anti-science mistrust, hate, and bigotry in their witless audiences. And it shows. Every single day. Luckily for us all, game journalism is only a tiny branch of this most immoral profession in the history of the world, and so GG achieved its ethical goals rather easily. Many bad people were fired, millions and millions of ad revenue dollars were lost, and unavoidably so, almost all of them adapted new ethics and disclosure policies nonetheless. And we’ll make sure they stick to them, because if they don’t, we will come and hurt them.

            Let’s not forget all the people who aren’t in either group that also think GG is scum.
            No. There are indeed neutrals. Some of them just don’t care, others understand instinctively, that the mainstream narrative simply doesn’t add up, and consequently reserve judgement. But those who genuinely hate GG, are either invested in the corruption, or they’re the hapless victims of that corruption. Tertium non datur.

            My invitation to you: a cup of hemlock.
            Google “Knoll’s Law of Media Accuracy”, also known as “Gell-Mann Amnesia”, and make you never forget what you read there.

          • hams

            Sorry I skimmed all that I’m sure it was very smart. I do notice you told me to kill myself, very pc.

            You don’t know what a pogrom is, do you. I suggest you look it up. I’ll give you a hint, it’s kind of like calling GGs bad reputation a “holocaust”. Hope you understand how silly that is, seeing as the main drive of your organization is ‘videogames’.

            LOL I couldn’t help going back in for more gold:

            ” And we’ll make sure they stick to them, because if they don’t, we will come and hurt them.”

            Nice, you guys are real class acts.

            “By now, every single GG’er knows in detail why mainstream media cannot be trusted. These people are dangerous. Their careless, manipulative distortions cause race riots, moral panics, anti-science mistrust, hate, and bigotry in their witless audiences.”

            This is basically exactly how conspiracy theorists think. They all think they are the only ones who see “THE REAL TRUTH” and just can’t believe it when pretty much nobody else does.

            My god the more I look at this the funnier it is. My favorite part of this whole thread, is arguing with you melvins until you eventually start to unravel and reveal the mental instability. Hey let me know how the progress is going on proving the moon landing was fake.

          • Snoopy

            I do notice you told me to kill myself
            What are you talking about?

          • hams

            Lol do you not know what a cup of hemlock represents? jfc you’re just saying all kinds of shit you don’t understand.

            Here’s your homework for tonight

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Socrates

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom

            maybe after that you can google up ‘compassion’ or ‘how to tell if you’re a conspiracy theorist’ might find some helpful stuff. consider it extra credit

          • Snoopy

            Sorry,no more time to fool around. #GGinDC was evacuated due to a bomb threat made either by Arthur Chu himself, or by some of his followers.
            But do go on, tell yourself #gamergate are the bad guys and how this is all a great conspiracy. I have to make sure ppl are safe.

          • hams

            lol I have a conspiracy about who did this, but it’s not a conspiracy. Also threats against others ‘aren’t serious’ but mine are somehow. Good luck rambo I hope you save everyone

          • ReallyNotThough

            It actually happened literally in the opposite order.

            GG told a bunch of lies about Quinn.

            Leigh Alexander said this was childish.

            GG declared war on the press.

          • Cat Reid

            Yes, keep stoking those “the entire world of media is in a conspiracy against us! Only we know the truth!” fires

    • GP

      Do you think this guy is secretly Skeletor? Cause he kind of talks like him. “Incomprehensible buffoons” etc.

      • Pitchguest

        Like I say, when you cannot dispute the facts, you either deflect or use petty insults. It would have been so much easier to both shut me up and prove me wrong if you simply provided just a tiny bit of evidence to the contrary. But you don’t. That is incomprehensible.

        • hams

          INCOMPREHENSIBLE MYAAAHH.

          Literally all gamergators in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz6eHfsESQ

          • Pitchguest

            Yeah. All that evidence provided that contradicts this entire article and the narrative spouted by the media for the past 7 months, that’s incomprehensible. Or if ‘incomprehensible’ is too difficult for you, just run it through a thesaurus.

            I repeat: Zoe must be so proud to have such intellectual giants to defend her. Truly.

          • ReallyNotThough

            yes yes so much evidence, not like this thread right here is full of evidence of GG still lying about her to justify harassment

          • Live the dream

            Which lies?

            WHERE ARE THE LIES EXACTLY?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The lie that she had sex for coverage.

            She didn’t.

            Stop lying.

          • BillTheCat45

            White fat gamer morons must be so proud to have you as their intellectual toddler spokesdouche.

          • Proto Man

            Oh hush now Beast Man you’re just mad Skeletor gets the good lines before you.

        • GP

          How could I prove you are or aren’t Skeletor? I don’t understand…

  • Andrea Porzio

    one thing that emerges from this article is that having brown eyes and making eye contact with people is a clear sign of being a stalker maniac,

    • Pitchguest

      Yes. And we’re supposed to believe Zoe, the one in the power pose above, is the victim while the one below, Gjoni, who looks like he hasn’t slept for days, is the perpetrator. Something tells me the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    • hams

      Pretty sure it’s all the stalking, cheers

      • Pitchguest

        ‘Stalking’ in your realm means ‘following someone on Twitter.’

        • ReallyNotThough

          No it means doxing a person’s entire family. Like what’s happening on gg boards in their renewed campaign against Quinn right now.

  • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRn9Y7R6RIEFpgo-wLb_tRw Jofer Jeff

    If Gjoni’s purpose was to destroy Zoe Quinn, he has failed tremendously. Ive read his post and believe its accurate, but cant condone posting someones dirty laundry for everyone to see. She cheated on you, alot. Break up and let it go. Gjoni comes off as a sap and weakling by trying to get back together over and over. As for Zoe, I believe the day to day fear is an act, an act meant to continue a narrative of a woman fighting against the odds in video gaming. Zoe attends events everywhere and I think she LOVES the publicity. Its the best thing to happen to her career and she knows it. To be honest, if both Quinn and Gjoni fell off the earth, the world would be a better place.

    • ReallyNotThough

      You can think what you want. Evidence suggests that massive online bullying like this does indeed cause severe emotional problems for everyone.

      To pretend it doesn’t is just anti-science at this point.

      • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRn9Y7R6RIEFpgo-wLb_tRw Jofer Jeff

        Online trolling only bothers a person if they let it. Realize that when you give someone anonymity and a platform they can and will say anything. Just remember the first rule of the internet. DONT FEED THE TROLLS.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Nope,

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4126576/

          Major findings: it is actually more distressing than offline bullying. It affects people of all maturity levels. It affects people of all self-esteem. The effect seems linked to the volume of abuse.

          Look, you can deny all evidence if you want. Reality will still be here when you get back.

  • orogeny

    I’m just trying to understand this. These two had a fling and then broke up. Why isn’t that the end of the story? What possible justification is there for this guy’s fixation on the woman once they’be stopped their relationship? Can one of you people that support him explain that?

    • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

      ZQ sleeps with journalists which is very unprofessional.

      • orogeny

        What is “ZQ”?

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Zoe Quinn…

          • orogeny

            Meaning what? What did she do that would cause this guy to publish his manifesto? And why would other people harass her because if it? Once a relationship is over, why would someone keep on and on like this?

      • DieInAFire

        I feel like the vow of celibacy taken by journalists doesn’t carry the same weight that it used to. It’s truly a shame how this country’s values have declined.

      • BillTheCat45

        You’re an intellectual toddler which is comedy gold.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Actually, that would make the journalists unprofessional.

        But we all know you’d rather hate women than men, so here we are.

        • http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/shred_bmx_team perpetualperplex

          Did I say ZQ is unprofessional? No I said ‘is very unprofessional’ for BOTH parties.
          But we all know you just want to make this about women and how oppressed they are, so here we are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “No I said ‘is very unprofessional’ for BOTH parties. ”

            You didn’t. If you had, you would have.

    • Pitchguest

      You could try reading the zoepost. Gjoni explains his reasoning why he published it there.

      To surmise, it’s a story about a man who was lied to constantly, emotionally abused and taken advantage of. If you wanted to know why that wasn’t the end of the story, read any of the Gamergate wikis. Not Wikipedia, though, as strange as that might seem. (The Wikipedia entry for Gamergate was sabotaged by an editor called Ryulong and since then it’s been in the crapper.)

      • orogeny

        I still don’t understand. Even if it is true that she lied to him and cheated on him, what does that have to do with continuing to harass her once they’ve broken up? Why not just move on and forget about it? That’s what a sane person would do, isn’t it?

        • TheMovement

          its not insane or unreasonable to tell a story about your life. it happens every day in blogs all over the net. Hell every day some one writes in their journal or diary.

          Just so happens this blog has got far more attention than the others because it highlights problems with the gaming press.

          • J Ryan

            No it got far more attention because its author took it to a place where he knew Quinn was hated to get his own little harassment army which promptly span lies from the post (Quinn sleeping around for good reviews) and when the gaming press didn’t report on it because it was all manufactured chan rubbish the dummies were spat out.

          • SirKamyk

            Excuse me – how do you know Quinn didn’t sleep around for good reviews? I am assuming that since you’re calling it lies, you can point to reliable evidence that will point to the contrary.

          • Dylan

            If you make an allegation, the onus is on you to prove it. Gjoni never proved she slept around, he never proved she did it for favourable reviews… at least not as far as I know. Maybe you can point us in the direction of the proof he’s provided to explain why you believe it to be unquestionably true.

          • TheMovement
          • Dylan

            Images can be shopped. I’ll search on her Twitter… no doubt you’ll tell me she deleted that though, right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, I mean, probably, she was frustrated and made a joke.

            That doesn’t somehow make it possible for Grayson to have traveled back in time after their relationship to write about her game.

          • Dylan

            But there’s no proof he did it for sex… right? people write reviews without requiring sexual favours beforehand, surely.

            I mean, a person’s reputation, career & basically her life as she knows it was at stake when those claims were made… if unsubstantiated that’s a huge price to pay for someone’s malicious allegation.

            p.s. I didn’t find a thing about it on her Twitter. Thank God they made it possible to advance search. She posts a lot.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Edited to remove, my bad.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh shit sorry I confused who you were and your point.

          • Dylan

            No worries.

          • TheMovement

            lets say that it is fake lets say he didn’t give her a review for sex.

            The fact is they where not only friends but grayson was also credited in the development credits in depression quest.

            That alone should have kept him from doing any reviews or articles with out disclosing his involvement.

            So Ill give you that all the pics are photoshopped and you would still be right here holding an empty sack.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “he didn’t give her a review for sex.”

            Please link said review.

            Also, please explain how he could go back in time to write anything about Quinn before they had sex.

            “That alone should have kept him from doing any reviews”

            So you’re going to stop lying and claiming that Quinn had sex for coverage, right?

          • Live the dream

            nobody said review. Its a straw man that keeps getting thrown around. Seriously even internet aristocrate used the words positive coverage in his videos. “REVIEW” IS A RED HERRING

          • ReallyNotThough

            “no-one said review”

            except the person I was replying to. And hundred of gators on this very comment section.

            ” Seriously even internet aristocrate used the words positive coverage in his videos.”

            He actually used review, around the 10 minute mark. Stop lying.

            JFC learn to read

          • Dylan

            But if he wrote a favourable review of a game he helped develop that’s a ridiculously far cry from doing it for sexual favour. In fact it suggests pretty clearly he’d more likely write a positive review because he’d want a game he helped create to be successful. Is that ethical? I would say it’s a little deceptive but it’s not the most heinous thing in the world. He is after all likely to be one of literally hundreds of reviews.
            Is it any less ethical than movies, magazines, games & plays displaying only favourable reviews on their posters & sleeves, despite negative ones existing?

            Not to mention the allegation that Quinn trading sex for a positive review is still, to this day, repeated relentlessly by those attacking her as justification for doing so.

            If it were all about what a man has done, and I’m aware this is an inflammatory claim, don’t you think it would likely have died down by now? don’t you think it would’ve focused on Grayson, not Quinn?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because said reviews don’t exist? Because she wasn’t sleeping with Grayson at the time he wrote about her?

          • BillTheCat45

            You got evidence that proves it, internet nobody? Yeh, thought not, loser.

          • SirKamyk

            No, and I do not claim that she did sleep around for reviews! Why is everyone here so hostile?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh yeah that’s definitely not the implication right here “how do you know Quinn didn’t sleep around for good reviews?”

            “Why is everyone here so hostile?”

            Could have something to do with the lying constantly to justify the abuse of a stranger for no fucking reason?

          • SirKamyk

            Well, that was the only way that occurred to me of asking what I wanted to ask at that point in time. I can see how it could be interpreted that way. I am sorry.

            Buuuttt if I might modestly say – you don’t actually KNOW they are lying. You just think they are.

            And I would appreciate it if you could take the time to explain to me why you are so convinced that GamerGaters are lying to justify the abuse of a stranger for no reason. I mean – you did say it yourself. There does not appear to be a reason.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “you don’t actually KNOW they are lyin”

            Yes, I do.

            The said review does not exist. No amount of spin will make it exist.

            Grayson was not sleeping with Quinn when he wrote the Greenlight list. No amount of spin will make time not move linearly.

            Some things are objective facts, even if they’re inconvenient to the GG cult.

            “why you are so convinced that GamerGaters are lying to justify the abuse of a stranger”

            Because whenever we talk about the abuse of Quinn, you show up saying that she did things she objectively did not do.

            “There does not appear to be a reason.” No kidding, that’s why GG are such creepy losers.

          • SirKamyk

            Alright, thanks :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            So would you suggest to GG that they should stop spreading these lies?

          • SirKamyk

            I haven’t made up my mind yet. I’ll go look for these articles that you claim don’t exist, and if they don’t, I will be a lot more lenient to the GG haters. But even then, I don’t see how my word could stop the GG’ers, since I am in no way part of GamerGate.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “since I am in no way part of GamerGate.”

            sure sure you’re just here arguing their exact talking points for hours with no agenda whatsoever

          • doubtthat

            Dude, really?

            That ain’t how it works, homie. The burden is on the person making the claim to provide the proof. The default position isn’t that an accusation stands until it’s disproven.

            How do I know you didn’t do 9-11? I will assume you were responsible until you prove you weren’t, and even then, you probably did some other unnamed terrorist acts that I can’t really think of now.

            Fucking shit, this is really how you guys roll?

          • SirKamyk

            No, no, you misunderstand me, perhaps I was unclear. I am not putting any kind of burden of proof on him. I’m just curious if he has any justification for saying that it’s a lie other than what people have said to him. If there is such evidence, I would like to see it, because I want to build up an impartial picture of the situation, for myself.
            And if there is no such evidence, then calling it lies is uncalled for unless you were one of the parties involved in the scandal.

            Also, I am not part of any “guys” :)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “for saying that it’s a lie ”

            Would you accept the fact that said reviews do not exist to be a good justification?

          • doubtthat

            1) It is objectively a lie that Zoe Quinn slept with Nathan Grayson for a positive review. That was a smear effort spearheaded by Ejoni that relies on backwards causality: They began seeing one another AFTER he wrote an article.

            2) No other suspicious reviews have been provided. In order for their to be an unethical review, there has to be a review.

            3) It’s fair to call the smear by implication a dirty damned lie until someone can provide an article that they believe was the result of Quinn sleeping with people.

            4) Even if you succeed at 3, then you have to prove the case, and even if you do that, the ethical failing will be on the part of the journalist, not Quinn, so at no level is there any justification for targeting Quinn.

          • TheMovement

            lol what?

            before that blog post Zoe was a nobody. you could have spent your whole life never knowing the name if that blog post never came out.

            Depression quest would have been an even bigger flop than it is now and her patrion would be dominated by a big fat zero.

            Also zoe her self admitted to sleeping with said game reviewers. http://i.imgur.com/okLzlvJ.png

          • ReallyNotThough

            …you understand what a joke is, right?

            Also, you understand that, time being linear, no-one wrote anything about her while or after a relationship with her, right?

          • doubtthat

            After the review was written…

            And seriously, man, you don’t get the tone of that tweet?

            Finally, if she did sleep with a journalist for publicity (cleverly getting him to go back in time and write an article about her game before coitus), that’s THE JOURNALIST’S ethical problem, not Zoe’s. Why target her?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, it wasn;t even a review. It was a line saying DQ was on greenlight, in a list including all games that week on greenlight.

            That’s what these manchildren are using as a cover for their abuse campaign. One line.

          • Smazeli

            Actually, Grayson wrote about Quinn and Depression Quest across numerous articles. And in the example you mention, he also gave it top billing over 50 other games and used it as the only screenshot, despite it not even containing any art to show. Now, either his name being in the credits of Depression Quest had something to do with it. Or, he picked a game at random out of the list of 50 and it happened to be DQ (odds of happening, 1/50 aka 2%)

          • BillTheCat45

            AWW, sounds like Mommy’s Special Snowflake is mad.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I love how you think a free non-profit game can be a “flop.”

            Oh wow it didn’t make any profits from revenues it never asked for oh no

          • TheMovement

            LOL money has nothing to do with it. If a game comes out and no one likes it its a fucking flop.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Right except for the thousands of people who do.

            Seriously, I get that you don’t like DQ. No-one asked you to.

            Why do you need to lie about Quinn’s sex life, though? Why not do literally anything else?

          • TheMovement

            lol if its only a couple thousand that does like your game its still a flop. if you want to redefine what a successful game is you can do that, I come to expect it from SJW who support Zoe.

            I never talked about Zoe sex life at all i didn’t write the blog post. I do reserve the right to talk about it if it directly exposes some sort of wrong doing like an ethics breach.

            All I talked about was defending the persons right to talk about a person that was directly involved in his personal life and left an impact on said life.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um I don’t define what a successful nonprofit game is at all. That makes no sense. Find something that matters to worry about.

            “I never talked about Zoe sex life”

            You literally lied and said that she had sex for coverage on this very thread.

            “I do reserve the right to talk about it if it directly exposes some sort of wrong doing like an ethics breach.”

            Since it didn’t, you’ll stop lying about it, right?

            “left an impact”

            It largely left an impact because Eron Gjoni chose to spend all his time running a harassment campaign instead of doing his job. Cry me a river.

          • TheMovement

            I just don’t want to repeat my self any more

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay.

            Then maybe instead of lying about women on the Internet ad nauseam, you could do something else?

            I personally enjoy video games, feels like GamerGaters might want to try them at some point

          • doubtthat

            It highlighted exactly zero things that were wrong with the gaming press.

            The fundamental stupidity of gamerghazi (and I acknowledge that there was heated competition for that prize), is that every journalism-relate action they’ve taken has been aimed at intimidating independent, free, ethical journalists from engaging in analysis with the hope that they will serve as stenographers for game studio PR reps.

            And, by the way, EVEN IF Zoe Quinn traded sexual favors for good reviews (which never happened), that would be THE JOURNALIST’S ETHICAL FAILURE, not Quinn’s. Why is all the attention on Quinn?

            It’s so tough to figure that one out…

          • Smazeli

            ” that would be THE JOURNALIST’S ETHICAL FAILURE, not Quinn’s. Why is all the attention on Quinn?”

            That’s a good question. Even though Nathan Grayson got just as many vile twitter messages as Zoe did when it first began, the media didn’t give him any attention. All the articles were about Zoe. Probably because he didn’t or wouldn’t publicly comment about any of it. Or because Kotaku didn’t want the scandal to shed a bad light on their own journalists (although they would later admit that they failed keep a professional distance from indie devs the same way they do AAA devs).

            That would explain why the trolls eventually moved on from him. Whereas Quinn managed to use the attention to triple her Patreon income.

            It still doesn’t answer why the games media only gives female indie devs attention when they’re being harassed (Nathan Grayson being the obvious exception)

          • Mr Corrections

            “Even though Nathan Grayson got just as many vile twitter messages” – not only is this an outright lie, it still doesn’t excuse GamerGate from its open misogyny.

            I hope that helps!

          • doubtthat

            Even though Nathan Grayson got just as many vile twitter messages as Zoe did when it first began

            This is not true. Can you guys even make it two sentences without spewing stupid, transparent lies?

            http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=nathan%20grayson%2C%20zoe%20quinn&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q&tz=

            Zoe was targeted exponentially more that Grayson.

            All the articles were about Zoe.

            Most of the articles coming from the sane portion of the population were questioning the inexplicable targeting of Quinn. That is evidence against your stupid false premise.

            It still doesn’t answer why the games media only gives female indie devs attention when they’re being harassed

            That would explain why the trolls eventually moved on from him. Whereas Quinn managed to use the attention to triple her Patreon income.

            Haha.

            1) Never were focused on him, never moved past him.

            2) I love the ridiculous implication that she somehow did this for publicity when a) she has gone to court to try and stop it and b) she was merely the victim of an obsessed creep’s writing.

            Goddamn, your framing is so fucking stupid it’s impossible to take seriously.

            It still doesn’t answer why the games media only gives female indie devs attention when they’re being harassed

            Not even close. Game journalists give them attention, then they get harassed, then the journalists go back and write about the inexplicable harassment.

            Step outside your idiot’s bubble. The rest of the world sees through that horseshit.

          • Smazeli

            “This is not true. Can you guys even make it two sentences without spewing stupid, transparent lies?

            http://www.google.com/trends/e

            Zoe was targeted exponentially more that Grayson.”

            Thank you for this link! Although there’s a few problems with it, namely that it proves my earlier point (that Quinn got more media attention than the actual journalist in question). It also doesn’t contain any info about tweets, which was my latest point. Unless you meant to say that the games media were the ones “targeting” Zoe. But by all means, find the threatening tweets sent to Grayson and the GamerGate discussions about him. It’s not hard to find, and ignoring them won’t render them non-existent

            “Most of the articles coming from the sane portion of the population were questioning the inexplicable targeting of Quinn. That is evidence against your stupid false premise.”

            Actually, you can go back and read the initial articles. None of them really were “questioning” whether or not Quinn was the target of GG, they were just taking her word for it. And none of them compared the tweets she got to Nathan Grayson’s. That’s probably due in part that Quinn went on a tour of interviews to play up the threats while Grayson wouldn’t give any public comment.

            “I love the ridiculous implication that she somehow did this for publicity when a) she has gone to court to try and stop it”

            No, she went to court to stop Gjoni, not the story. It’s because he was presenting information that made her look less sympathetic in the public eye. If she actually wanted the public to stop talking about the incident, then she wouldn’t be volunteering for interviews or tweeting about it all the time. That’s not the behavior of someone who ‘wants to move on’

            “she was merely the victim of an obsessed creep’s writing”

            No, she was the victim of a bunch of internet trolls. The writing itself was harmless, unless you count the harm done to her professional reputation as a result of her chatlogs. And even those aren’t that damaging, its hard to argue that she’s been professional harmed. The incident has only caused her follower count and patreon contributions to balloon, and she’s doing the same thing she did beforehand (not much but who cares?). You can even look at this thread and see the sheer number of people willing to call them fake, they’re so desperate to believe that she’s not a bad person. Despite all the evidence and people that step forward to tell them otherwise.

            And keep in mind, being professionally harmed is not quite them same as being personally threatened! Not even close. And one can’t say that the ZoePost kicked off any sexist harassment, because she’s been claiming to be getting daily threats in the months prior to the Zoepost being uploaded.

            “Not even close. Game journalists give them attention, then they get harassed, then the journalists go back and write about the inexplicable harassment.”

            Unfortunately, this is false. Game journalists did not give Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian or Brianna Wu any attention until they started getting threats And note, I said “game journalists”, plural. Nathan Grayson was just one. Googling for them.

          • doubtthat

            But by all means, find the threatening tweets sent to Grayson and the GamerGate discussions about him. It’s not hard to find, and ignoring them won’t render them non-existent

            Your argument, you provide the evidence. You made the claim that they received the same amount of abuse over some unspecified period of time, I’m happy to watch you try and substantiate that.

            But what I do love is that you 1) somehow think arguing that vile horseshit went Grayson’s way is a defense of you goons and 2) that you think the continued harassment of Quinn is somehow her doing. You can go read the thread where people are trying to hunt down her relatives:

            https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/593939018343059457

            And you have still failed to answer why a non-journalist is at all relevant as a target of a movement supposedly about journalistic ethics.

            go back and read the initial articles.

            What articles? This is a classic bullshittery: just babbling in generalities without bothering to source your claims.

            No, she went to court to stop Gjoni, not the story.

            This is a very poor understanding of what occurred during the initial protective ordering hearing and the subsequent actions seeking to prove violations.

            If she actually wanted the public to stop talking about the incident, then she wouldn’t be volunteering for interviews or tweeting about it all the time.

            This is such awesomely ignorant horseshit. This is a demand that a victim stay silent in the face of her harassment. I know these are the shibboleths on which the entirety of your malicious little enterprise rest, but speaking out about the offensive nature of your harassment is not a request for more harassment.

            And, by the way, as the article above points out, she has remained fairly silent for precisely that reason: every time she speaks, the harassment begins again. Now you dicks are going after her distant relatives. Awesome.

            he writing itself was harmless, unless you count the harm done to her professional reputation as a result of her chat logs.

            Yeah, anyone with a moderately functioning brain can see though that nonsense. There’s a reason your goofy little hero, Ejoni, tried to post that self-indulgent nonsense at so many different sites: he was searching for an audience that would inflict pain on her because he is a petty little shit who was hurt in a 5 month relationship.

            Your entire argument is premised on the false notion that harassment was not foreseeable (I agree the degree of the shitstorm is rather stunning). Given the care with which he tried to humiliate her – searching for a receptive audience – it’s obvious that he intended for slime balls on the net to go after her.

            And one can’t say that the ZoePost kicked off any sexist harassment, because she’s been claiming to be getting daily threats in the months prior to the Zoepost being uploaded.

            Your reasoning skills are, to be polite, severely lacking.

            It can both be the case that she was receiving sexist messages prior to the post AND that the post initiated another level of such harassment. That’s obviously what happened, factually speaking, and nothing in your kid’s version of argument building contradicts that point.

            Game journalists did not give Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian or Brianna Wu any attention until they started getting threats

            Well, first, that shows how miserably your attempts to silence them have failed. Second, what point do you think that makes? The sexist harassment has become a story of its own, and it validated what women were saying about the climate in gaming prior to gamerghazi.

            Of course, I’m not the naive little duckling that you seem to be. I watched similar little fits of misogyny explode in various other groups, the skeptical/atheist community, for example. Articles written from a feminist perspective have received ignorant, misogynist backlash from time immemorial. You arbitrarily drawing the line at the beginning of one such orgy of hate does not change the fact that women writing articles on science, on atheism, on games, will always face sexist criticism. All gamerghazi has done is make it obvious to everyone outside of those worlds.

          • Smazeli

            “Your argument, you provide the evidence. You made the claim that they
            received the same amount of abuse over some unspecified period of time,
            I’m happy to watch you try and substantiate that.”

            Alright then, I’m going to ignore the sheer ton of personal insults you’ve pointlessly thrown my way (for some unspecified offense). Here’s a facebook post of Grayson confirming a metric ton of hate he got the week after the ZoePost went up. I don’t consider it to be a ‘public’ statement though, so it doesn’t contradict what I’ve said earlier

            http://i.imgur.com/BfZhjP4.jpg

            “But what I do love is that you 1) somehow think arguing that vile horseshit went Grayson’s way is a defense of you goons”

            Well no, it’s a defense against your earlier claim that Grayson wasn’t targeted.

            “2) that you think the continued harassment of Quinn is somehow her doing.”

            Normally I would say no, but when she has been told by multiple experts the steps to take to stop her online harassment, and when she knowingly and deliberately continues doing the exact thing guaranteed to bring about more harassment- then yes after a point I think she starts to bear some responsibility. Assuming she really wants it to end.

            Also I’ve personally went to that linked 8chan thread and told them to stop doxxing her family. Anything else you’d like me to do for you?

            “And you have still failed to answer why a non-journalist is at all
            relevant as a target of a movement supposedly about journalistic ethics.”

            As it’s been explained, she’s relevant due to being one of the initial figures involved in the first revelation that Kotaku’s writers were often failing to disclose their personal relationships. Quinn was the first one, later disclosures were made regarding Christine Love, Ubisoft, GaymerX convention, and some others I can’t rmeember off the top of my head.

            “What articles? This is a classic bullshittery: just babbling in generalities without bothering to source your claims.”

            The initial articles relating to the ZoePost? I thought I was clear enough, sorry about that! Just pick any from the first two weeks of the fallout

            “This is such awesomely ignorant horseshit. This is a demand that a victim stay silent in the face of her harassment.”

            No, it’s actually a suggestion. One that’s she’s free to take (in order to stop further harassment), or ignore. But demanding a victim of abuse stay silent isn’t that bad of a suggestion, lots of people here have been demanding Gjoni to stay silent out of deference to the woman that abused him.

            “And, by the way, as the article above points out, she has remained
            fairly silent for precisely that reason: every time she speaks, the
            harassment begins again.”

            Yes, this underlies my earlier point, that GG panics whenever she speaks because they themselves start getting more death threats in reactions to articles like these.

            “Now you dicks are going after her distant relatives. Awesome.”

            No I am not. This is a lie

            “There’s a reason your goofy little hero, Ejoni, tried to post that
            self-indulgent nonsense at so many different sites: he was searching for
            an audience that would inflict pain on her because he is a petty little
            shit who was hurt in a 5 month relationship.”

            Actually, the real reason was because he was searching for a single forum that would allow his blog link to stay posted for more than 5 minutes before getting deleted. 4chan was the only one. The somethingwawful and penny-arcade audiences were plenty receptive to the story once the mods allowed discussion, weeks later.

            “It can both be the case that she was receiving sexist messages prior to
            the post AND that the post initiated another level of such harassment.
            That’s obviously what happened”

            Technically it’s what she claimed happened, because we have no way to verify her claims, as the emails and phonecalls she’s still claiming to get (despite her phone number never being publicly posted in any 4chan or 8chan forum). Unless you’ve seen them, have you? I’ve asked every journalist running an article about her on twitter if they’ve her oft-mentioned 16 gigs of saved emails, but haven’t gotten any confirmation.

            “Well, first, that shows how miserably your attempts to silence them have failed.”

            Now this is just weird. Where have I attempted to silence them?

            “Second, what point do you think that makes?”

            That the games media itself is guilty of the sexism it pretends to condemn. Not the harmless branch of sexism that can be made to vanish from your inbox with the click of a button, but the type that determines which indie developers get free coverage for their games and which ones languish in obscurity (up until they become a victim that is). See, because the media isn’t interested in the numerous female success stories, women who have made awesome games and won awards. They only want victims.

            “The sexist harassment has become a story of its own, and it validated
            what women were saying about the climate in gaming prior to gamerghazi.”

            Well, no, gaming was not widely perceived as sexist prior to gamergate. The percentage of female gamers and females working in the game industry has been increasing every year for the past 20 years, and nearly every woman actually working for game companies has told the same stories of supportive, accepting environments.

            “Of course, I’m not the naive little duckling that you seem to be. I
            watched similar little fits of misogyny explode in various other groups,
            the skeptical/atheist community, for example”

            I have not followed the atheist community since leaving it 8 years ago, so I can’t comment on the internal going-ons.

            “Articles written from a feminist perspective have received ignorant, misogynist backlash from time immemorial.”

            Minor correction, “online articles written from any perspective have received ignorant backlash from time immemorial”. Sorry, your statement just reminded me of the erroneous claims that conservative commentators sometimes make, that any opposition to female republicans politicians is due to misogynist. No, disagreement and discord is never due to one singular factor.

            “You arbitrarily drawing the line at the beginning of one such orgy of
            hate does not change the fact that women writing articles on science, on
            atheism, on games, will always face sexist criticism.”

            Another minor correction “people writing articles of science, atheism, on games, will always face criticism”

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah, that doesn’t ACTUALLY prove your lie that Nathan received as much hate from you as Quinn, or that GamerGate isn’t the misogynistic hate-group it so obviously is, and nor does it justify the harassment that GamerGate responsible for.

            I hope the help!

          • doubtthat

            That post in no way establishes an equivalency between Grayson and Quinn, nor does it establish your claim that it was somehow Quinn’s fault the abuse kept coming her way after it dropped off with Grayson.

            Well no, it’s a defense against your earlier claim that Grayson wasn’t targeted.

            Haha, nice try. That wasn’t my claim. I asked why Grayson wasn’t the focus of gamergate, which he never was. I never argued that he received NO abuse, just that it wasn’t remotely equivalent to the amount Quinn suffered even though, you know, he was the actual journalist.

            And again, that you think establishing that he suffered unjust abuse, as well, is a defense of Gamerghazi is incredible.

            Normally I would say no, but when she has been told by multiple experts the steps to take to stop her online harassment

            You have this nasty habit of failing to substantiate your claims. Go ahead and prove that point. Show me who these “experts” are, and show me the efficacy of this advice.

            And again, how do you not understand the incredible stupidity of arguing that she needs to hide away, silence her opinions, and avoid communicating on the internet to stop the abuse is a recipe to let abusers control the medium?

            Also I’ve personally went to that linked 8chan thread and told them to stop doxxing her family. Anything else you’d like me to do for you?

            It is truly entertaining to watch you sputter along, here.

            What does that have to do with anything? Gamerghazi is still actively targeting and harassing Zoe Quinn and her family in a disgusting, abusive way. Zoe Quinn did nothing to bring on that sort of stalking mania.

            The initial articles relating to the ZoePost? I thought I was clear enough, sorry about that! Just pick any from the first two weeks of the fallout

            Jesus. No, you show what articles you were talking about.

            The first two weeks is yet another arbitrary deadline. It took time for the bullshit to seep out from the dark corners of the net. It started in August, by September major outlets like the New Yorker were very clearly articulating the misogyny at the core of the movement:

            http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/zoe-quinns-depression-quest

            I’m not sure what point you think you’re making. Try to argue with specifics and actually support your point with examples.

            As it’s been explained, she’s relevant due to being one of the initial figures involved in the first revelation that Kotaku’s writers were often failing to disclose their personal relationships. Quinn was the first one, later disclosures were made regarding Christine Love, Ubisoft, GaymerX convention, and some others I can’t rmeember off the top of my head.

            But, AGAIN, she is not a journalist. This is not her failing. She should not have been targeted, at all.

            Also, Grayson did not write anything about Quinn during or after their affair. There is no reason for Quinn to be involved in this.

            But, of course, the “journalistic ethics” canard was very specifically conjured to distract from the fact that a bunch of assholes on the internet were trying to smear a woman because a whiny little asshole was sad about a break-up.

            No, it’s actually a suggestion.

            Among your many failings is the inability to understand the concept of mutual exclusivity. A suggestion can be horseshit silencing.

            But demanding a victim of abuse stay silent isn’t that bad of a suggestion, lots of people here have been demanding Gjoni to stay silent out of deference to the woman that abused him.

            What an awesomely terrible comparison. No one is telling Gjoni to stay silent, they’re telling him to stop directly and indirectly harassing Quinn. He’s free to enjoy the internet, he just has to end his disgusting obsession.

            Whatever Gjoni thinks happened has long since ended. The only contact he has with Quinn is the contact he initiates. Quinn, on the other hand, is being sought out and targeted, and when she complains, you use that as reason for further abuse.

            This is some dark shit, man.

            Yes, this underlies my earlier point, that GG panics whenever she speaks because they themselves start getting more death threats in reactions to articles like these.

            This perverse description of the movement’s causality is hilarious. They have been working in the dark to destroy Quinn and her family. That’s why they’re trying to hunt down distant relatives.

            You’re saying they’re trying to dig up information on Quinn’s aunt out of self-preservation? haha, fuck off, man, that’s some pathetic shit. Even you don’t believe that.

            No I am not. This is a lie

            You are very eagerly and enthusiastically defending the people doing this, saying that it’s Quinn’s fault that they’re hunting down relatives. You are absolutely in their camp.

            Actually, the real reason was because he was searching for a single forum that would allow his blog link to stay posted for more than 5 minutes before getting deleted.

            Please. And then he just started linking to it from those places. What a trivial and pointless distinction. The little shit is proud of how he tailored the narrative to appeal to gross folks like you, apparently.

            It is incredible how easily you lose the context of the discussion. You claimed that she was only “professionally harmed,” which is astonishing nonsense. It’s also the case that Gjoni specifically attempted to harm her on a personal level. He want to cause pain in her as she did him. This worked.

            The real reason he wanted an audience is because he wanted people to go after her. He knew it would happen, just not quite to the degree it did.

            Technically it’s what she claimed happened, because we have no way to verify her claims, as the emails and phonecalls she’s still claiming to get (despite her phone number never being publicly posted in any 4chan or 8chan forum).

            See, actual journalist outposts, like the New Yorker and New York Times, have examined this:

            For the past eighteen months, the twenty-seven-year-old Quinn has received a cavalcade of similar threats, which have created an ambient hum of menace in her life, albeit one that she has mostly been able to ignore.

            That’s from the New Yorker. Not some bullshit message board that spreads unsubstantiated rumors.

            Now this is just weird. Where have I attempted to silence them?

            Jesus, your lack of self-awareness is incredible. You’ve just gone on, at length, about how she needs to stop communicating via the internet if she wants the abuse to stop. You’re telling her that it’s her fault that these people go after her, and the only way to stop harassment is to essentially give up a medium essential to her career.

            Hey, if you don’t want to get stoned, don’t go outside. This technique is ancient and obvious.

            That the games media itself is guilty of the sexism it pretends to condemn.

            Writing articles about misogynists abusing women is somehow sexism?

            And OF COURSE the game media was sexist. That’s what folks like Sarkeesian and Wu and Quinn were arguing long before Gamerghazi erupted. How is that a counterargument to anything?

            The positive effects of this shitstorm include people no longer being able to ignore the misogyny in the community, gaming outlets ceasing to allow this shit to continue, and the total humiliation of everyone associated with gamerghazi on all levels.

            See, because the media isn’t interested in the numerous female success stories, women who have made awesome games and won awards. They only want victims.

            Ok. I’ll agree with that criticism. The answer is not provided by Gamerghazi thugs and harassers, though, it’s provided by promoting feminist critiques of the industry.

            Well, no, gaming was not widely perceived as sexist prior to gamer gate.

            That is flatly and hilariously wrong. Sarkeesian was working long before gamer gate. Hundreds and thousands of women regularly complained about the treatment they received in game. Sexism in the industry, in Silicon Valley was long discussed. Just because you were ignorant of this, does not mean it was not widely known.

            Gamerghazi just confirmed it in a way that is undeniable to even the most stubborn of people.

            The percentage of female gamers and females working in the game industry has been increasing every year for the past 20 years, and nearly every woman actually working for game companies has told the same stories of supportive, accepting environments.

            What are you smoking? This has never been true:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism_in_video_gaming

            Here’s an NY Times article from 2012:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/us/sexual-harassment-in-online-gaming-stirs-anger.html

            The treatment of women in gaming — as players, developers or cultural critics — is being explored in new documentaries, some begun long before GamerGate and inspired by events and conditions that have been well known for years within the gaming world.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/movies/in-the-documentary-gtfo-female-video-gamers-fight-back.html?_r=0

            You are consistently and comedically wrong, but this bullshit takes the cake.

            online articles written from any perspective have received ignorant backlash from time immemorial

            Not even remotely the same.

            http://skepchick.org/page-o-hate/

            I know you’re stubborn as fuck. This information has been available from time immemorial, yet you persist. The treatment of women, especially feminist women, is significantly worse than what is faced by men. You should know this as a dude. We don’t get much hurled our way, nothing at all worrying.

            people writing articles of science, atheism, on games, will always face criticism

            Not the same, not the same:

            http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter

            Sad attempt on your part.

      • J Ryan

        So to paraphrase – don’t read anything except for stuff written by GG. Yep you guys truly are the bastions of ethics and impartiality.

        • DieInAFire

          No you inconsequential buffoon! He said to ONLY read documentation written by Gamer Gate and ignore all other sournces! Nowhere in his post did he say to be impartial!

      • ReallyNotThough

        “Gjoni explains his reasoning why he published it there.”

        Well, if a guy who helps channers stalk his ex, who hopes that rape threats drive her into therapy, and who blames her for the hurt GG has caused to other women said it, then it MUST be true.

      • doubtthat

        Notice that the rationale for an obsessed, hurt, man-baby to post a rambling, discursive account of his 5 month relationship is not the answer to the question, “Why isn’t that the end of the story?”

        Assuming that everything Gjoni said is true in that post, it still did not justify, or even explain, the following explosion. It would be one thing if Gjoni was legitimately troubled by the fallout – who could have anticipate such a small, private matter blowing up as it did – but he is clearly gleeful; he is proud of the damage he caused, which is gross and petty.

        Thousands of people suffer similar emotional wounds each day. It’s one of the persistent tragedies of the human condition. Why one such trifling episode grew into a disgusting nation-wide movement involves far more than self-serving, deceptive wiki’s about gaming journalism.

      • BillTheCat45

        You’re so full of excrement it’s beyond funny.

    • Won Word

      “Why isn’t that the end of the story?”

      Because Gjoni and his Fanbois are all emotionally stunted. We’d expect 12 year olds with little home training to act this way, not well-raised adults.

      Lucky for us, Anita Sarkeesian and others are standing up to these manboys and continuing to speak out.

  • hams

    Ask yourselves…as obsessed as GG claims to be about journalism. How many of them commenting right now could name the writer of this article without scrolling up? Don’t bother replying, I know you had to go look.

  • nanoo_k

    F*cking loathe Gamergate so much.

    • https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRn9Y7R6RIEFpgo-wLb_tRw Jofer Jeff

      Gamergate doesnt like you either.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Yeah, but, only one side is here right now trying to justify and excuse cyberbullying and slander its victims, so guess who’s most likely going to be hated by society?

      • nanoo_k

        I’m all ears. What do you think about gamergate, what does gamergate mean to you? When you see that so many women in the videogame industry are getting rape and death threats to the degree that they stop writing about games and producing games––how do you react?

  • ReallyNotThough

    While GG’s on here arguing that they’re not about abusing this woman, their message boards are trying to figure out how to contact and harass Quinn’s entire family.

    https://twitter.com/srhbutts/status/593939018343059457

    • hams

      [TINFOIL HATTING INTENSIFIES]

  • Andrea Porzio

    so basically there’s no conclusive evidence that Quinn slept around for good reviews while the harrassment campaign promoted by Eron can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt with scientific accuracy. probably Quinn didn’t sue Eron because she’s a compassionate and forgiving person and didn’t want to drag him to court.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “so basically there’s no conclusive evidence that Quinn slept around for good reviews”

      Yes. Wouldn’t those reviews exist, if so?

      ” while the harrassment campaign promoted by Eron can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt”

      Yes. By your campaign of lying is this very thread, if nothing else.

      “Quinn didn’t sue Eron”

      Correct. Learn what a lawsuit is.

      “didn’t want to drag him to court”

      She didn’t. I’m sure she would have been happy with a clean breakup. She didn’t make Eron do this.

      • Andrea Porzio

        so my campaign of lying could be conclusive evidence in a court of law? did you graduate at the Law School Of Samoa with Saul Goodman?

        • ReallyNotThough

          Um, lying about someone en masse isn’t necessarily a crime, so I don’t know why it would be in a court of law.

          But if there isn’t a campaign of lying, why are hundreds of people flocking to these comments to lie about someone they never met?

  • ReallyNotThough

    In case anyone misunderstands just how crazy GGers are, their latest excuse for trying to dig up Quinn’s family’s personal information is in trying to prove that Quinn is using family influence in the Common Core Initiative to indoctrinate kids to an anti-gamer agenda.

    Yeah.

    • EpicFails

      ROFL – unbelievable.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Man I just searched the main GG Reddit hub for Common Core and holy moly, it’s a goldmine.

        • EpicFails

          I took a break from reddit I was losing my faith in humanity. The Manosphere is one crazy place.

          • ReallyNotThough

            But you miss out on such fact-based ethical journalism as

            “8chan /pol/ finds what seems like a link between GG/Common Core/Microsoft. Smoking gun at 5:30 where Microsoft drops $3.45 Million donation the day before “Gamers are Dead” to a group pushing Common Core. Evidence suggests the culture war in video game journalism is a “fabricated crisis””

          • EpicFails

            lol, Between the MRA, Twerpers, GG,, conspiracy, and Whiterights , I was done. The lutz was not enough.

  • marija vinkele

    that dress and those tights and those shoes do NOT match.. jfc

    • ReallyNotThough

      I didn’t know Disqus comments could travel from 2005.

  • Benjamin Hitov

    If you would like a slightly more balanced take on Eron, I would recommend giving this a read: https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/zoe-quinn-is-an-abuser/

    Written by a feminist who knows neither Eron nor Zoe.

    Zak baited Eron by claiming he was trying to help get a friend out of an abusive relationship, for those expressing shock that Eron was willing to give him an interview. The extent to which Zak Jason has manipulated Eron’s (and my) words would be comical were it not for the lot of you that somehow managed to take this article seriously.

    For a taste of how irrefutably dishonest this article is, see part of Eron’s reply here: http://antinegationism.tumblr.com/post/117729753311/what-the-hell-is-journalism-even-part-2

    I will happily respond here to anyone who wishes to discuss the ethics and reality of Eron’s actions. For the record, I think he was well within his ethical and legal rights to write thezoepost, and with minor reservations believe that what he did was good.

    • Mr Corrections

      Bullshit.

      • Benjamin Hitov

        Could you be more specific? Which part of my post do you believe is inaccurate?

        • Mr Corrections

          It’s all bullshit.

          I hope that helps!

          • Benjamin Hitov

            Thanks!

          • Mr Corrections

            If you need any further help working out which parts of your narrative are transparently obvious lies designed to further your gross agenda, let me know!

          • Benjamin Hitov

            I’m not sure how much more you could offer after “all”, but I am curious what my gross agenda is.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

        • ReallyNotThough

          “balanced”

          • Benjamin Hitov

            Non-biased? Less agenda driven? Feel free to sub either of those.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahahaha yes Eron doesn’t have an agenda, he just lost his job harassing a woman because he’s neutral

          • koyima

            lol ‘Zoe’ hasn’t kept a job in her life.

          • ReallyNotThough

            right right it’s not like Framed just came out or anything

          • koyima

            lol. sleeping with the boss is a job now? isn’t that illegal?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, maybe if GG could stop lying for 10 seconds you’d have more luck.

          • koyima

            She was the one that didn’t want his wife finding out…

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know that Lying for Thunderfoot isn’t particularly better than Lying for Jesus, right?

          • koyima

            lol.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, no. It’s illegal for the boss to take advantage of employees.

            Have you noticed how GG is consistently wrong about everything?

          • koyima

            if it was once I would buy it, but if you read her older work you will see that she was ‘harassed’ in every job she had.

          • ReallyNotThough

            you are such a creepy stalker

          • koyima

            I know it hurts when confronted with this info, but calling me a stalker doesn’t change anything. Besides no stalking needed this was posted when people were trying to figure out who this Zoe character was.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “If you want a take on Eron that uses no evidence except for Eron’s own words, and considers that feeling anxious about your partner sleeping over with a single friend who wants him is abuse, read this totes neutral and factual article!!!!”

      But wait, there’s more!

      If you don’t like actual newspapers with fact-checking departments, you can always read a bunch of weasel words by the abuser himself that in no way contradict the meat of the article!

      • Benjamin Hitov

        I think it was clear that it was more than anxiety. Here is an admission published on kotaku: http://kotaku.com/in-recent-days-ive-been-asked-several-times-about-a-pos-1624707346

        “you can always read a bunch of weasel words by the abuser himself that in no way contradict the meat of the article!”

        Did you find anything Eron wrote to be inaccurate or misleading? If so, what?

        • ReallyNotThough

          Huh? Having sex with another dude while on a relationship break is abuse now?

          Okay sure that’s definitely not some BS a domestic abuser made up.

          You know that sex for coverage never actually happened, right?

          “Did you find anything Eron wrote to be inaccurate or misleading?”

          Um yeah, when he said he didn’t support harassment, despite giving Quinn’s person al information and congratualting a group of people who were harassing her, and blaming Quinn for making GG hurt women.

          • Benjamin Hitov

            “Huh? Having sex with another dude while on a relationship break is abuse now?”

            They weren’t on a break.

            “You know that sex for coverage never actually happened, right?”

            Neither I nor Eron has ever claimed that it did. If you don’t believe me, try looking for evidence to the contrary.

            “despite giving Quinn’s person al information and congratualting a group of people who were harassing her,”

            He never congratulated a group that was harassing her. What made you think that he did? As for personal information, he never gave out her real name, address, or phone number.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “They weren’t on a break.”

            Yes, they were. You’d know that if Eron didn’t keep lying to you.

            “Neither I nor Eron has ever claimed that it did. If you don’t believe me, try looking for evidence to the contrary.”

            So you agree that GG should stop lying about Quinn?

            “He never congratulated a group that was harassing her.”

            He literally said that burgersandfries was doing great work and could only be better if they managed to drive Quinn into therapy.

            “As for personal information, he never gave out her real name, address, or phone number.”

            Okay then I guess talking about her weight, medical history, sexual preferences, friends, hotel choices, neighborhood, and tax status were okay then.

          • Eggard Snark

            Hi Zoe!

          • ReallyNotThough

            this is sad

          • EpicFails

            That’s pathetic but not surprising coming from an Gjoni fan.

          • Benjamin Hitov

            I’ve been friends with him since I was 12. I’m not sure if that makes it better or worse in your view.

          • EpicFails

            I hope you can help him out – this thing with Zoe is disturbing and harmful to both of them.

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahaha okay, maybe tell your friend to stop abusing a woman on the internet and try to get his job back

          • Benjamin Hitov

            I disagree that anything he has done constitutes abusing a woman on the internet. Given that you said he should stop, I assume you think he has abused a woman on the internet recently? If so, what has he done in the past two months (or so) that you would consider abuse?

            He is currently employed.

          • EpicFails

            He served her up to the channers that already hated her. He knew about the abuse they were flinging at her before he went there. That is disturbing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I assume you think he has abused a woman on the internet recently?”

            He literally left his last job because he spent too much time, in his own words, “fighting an internet war.”

            He also claims to be running a lot of GG behind the scenes.

            “He is currently employed.”

            Maybe he could try not getting fired from this one?

            Also, if you have a friend trying to violate a restraining order, don’t you feel a duty to have a fucking intervention?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Let’s look at other stuff Eron has said:

            Here he is sharing info about her romantic life before him, in a conversation with a guy named “Jewritos”

            Aug 24 20.42.01 Patrick Lindsey is her ex-boyfriend. They worked on Depression Quest together.

            Here’s your good friend hyping up conspiracy theory to the people threatening to rape Quinn:

            MuhNicknaem: And honestly it is distracting from the things you should be concerned about. Which is the rich and powerful friends.

            Here’s him sharing some info about her to those people:

            ” maximumtacos: likely real. She lives in a shitty part of town, and has been using her passport as ID ever since”

            Here he is adding some fuel to the ol’ conspiracy fire:

            Aug 24 20.30.56 was that she was worried about her image. and the terms as they stood allowed the show to misrepresent her
            Aug 24 20.31.12 a bunch of people were fine with the terms because they didn’t have an image to uphold
            Aug 24 20.31.30 but in any case, she renegotiated them by forming a union of friends
            Aug 24 20.31.38 which meant she went into it with a union of friends
            Aug 24 20.31.46 and the rest — I can show you the chat logs
            Aug 24 20.31.49 just a second

            Here he is telling them about Quinn’s game jam, and giving names of sponsors that could be intimidated:

            Aug 24 20.36.24 almost right off the bat she got funding from Cards Against Humanity

          • Mr Corrections

            Maybe tell him to stop stalking women. Just a thought!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Your friend recently said that it was Zoe’s fault that GG hurt so many women.

            Do you really think that’s okay? Do you think HE’S okay?

          • Benjamin Hitov

            “Yes, they were. You’d know that if Eron didn’t keep lying to you.”

            Do you think the chat logs are fake? Given that the video of him accessing them did not convince you they are real, what would?

            “So you agree that GG should stop lying about Quinn?”

            If someone is claiming that she slept with Grayson for positive coverage, yes I think that claim is inaccurate.

            “He literally said that burgersandfries was doing great work and could only be better if they managed to drive Quinn into therapy.”

            If those are his literal statements, could you point me to them?

            “Okay then I guess talking about her weight, medical history, sexual preferences, friends, hotel choices, neighborhood, and tax status were okay then.”

            I agree that responding to a vague question about weight was unwise, but are you going to argue to me that “she’s heavier than most people I’ve dated” (paraphrasing) is divulging personal information?

            As to sexual preferences and friends, did he say anything that she had not already made public? I don’t think restating something she has already said on twitter would could as divulging personal information, do you?

            A quick googling isn’t turning up anything for medical history, neighborhood, or tax status. Could you point me to his statements that you find objectionable?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Do you think the chat logs are fake?”

            Wouldn’t surprise me. They don’t change the fact that they were on a break though.

            “If someone is claiming that she slept with Grayson for positive coverage, yes I think that claim is inaccurate.”

            Good tell the hundreds of chuckleheads GG sent her to stop doing that.

            “If those are his literal statements, could you point me to them?”

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/c0deebc4977b41163de1b0eac0e398f5.png

            “did he say anything that she had not already made public?”

            Yes.

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/giving-them-more-info.jpg

            That cameralady he’s talking to? She’s one of the original members of GG who at the time of that convo was sexually harassing Quinn.

            “quick googling”

            FFS do some of your own research.

          • Benjamin Hitov

            “Wouldn’t surprise me. They don’t change the fact that they were on a break though.”

            If the logs were real then there is no question that she violated their agreed upon relationship boundaries. See here: https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/blue.jpg

            Again, is there anything that would convince you that the logs are real? If so, what?

            “Good tell the hundreds of chuckleheads GG sent her to stop doing that.”

            I do when I see it, but honestly mostly I just see it used as a strawman.

            re twitter image:

            There is a huge difference between wanting to “drive Quinn into therapy” and thinking that therapy is something she would benefit from. Do you disagree with me here? Yes, he thinks she would benefit from therapy. She agrees.

            re IRC:

            The personal information here is the name of someone she cheated on him with? I’m sorry if I don’t consider that a huge injustice. Also, this was not given to a group. This picture is of private messages that he did not intend to be made public.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “If the logs were real”

            Yes it’s not like the dude who said this:https://twitter.com/alexlifschitz/status/593308540183257088/photo/1

            Would lie about the woman he’s harassing, right?

            “Again, is there anything that would convince you that the logs are real?”

            Confirmation from someone who wasn’t encouraging channers who were harassing his ex?

            “thinking that therapy is something she would benefit from.”

            Okay, but you understand that only an abuser would think that thousands of rape threats was a good way to help someone, or blown into an appropriate proportion, right?

            “she cheated on him with”

            Allegedly.

            “Also, this was not given to a group.”

            Yes, it was. This screenshot is from the burgersandfries group chat. You know, that movement who at that very moment was harassing and threatening his ex?

            “his picture is of private messages that he did not intend to be made public.”

            Well, he only intended it to be seen by the hundreds of burgersandfries people on IRC at the time, so I wouldn’t call that a win.

          • Smazeli

            “Confirmation from someone who wasn’t encouraging channers who were harassing his ex?”

            Gjoni’s current girlfriend also confirmed the chatlogs. Also several of Qunn’s past boyfriends have also confirmed the affairs. Also Gjoni uploaded a video himself opening his facebook page and browsing to the same chatlogs, to show that they weren’t a photoshop.

            Is his fully-functioning facebook page fake too?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Gjoni’s current girlfriend”

            Hahahaha okay then

          • Smazeli

            Is there a reason why she doesn’t count?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. What, so you think shes going to own up to the fact that her bf is still so obsessed with another woman he can’t even hold down a job?

          • Mr Corrections

            Who. The. Hell. Cares?
            What goddam business is it of yours, or anyone but those two people?

            What is fucking wrong with you?

          • Smazeli

            Are you talking to ReallyNotThough? He (and many other people) are jumping through some extreme hoops to defend Zoe’s character for some reason. Despite all the personal accounts coming from people who actually know her.

            Or wait, are you addressing this question to the author of this article? Because apparently it was newsworthy.

            Anyway, people care because she often says demonstrably false things that hurt a lot of people. I assume you’re only asking the “Who cares?” question because at this point you can’t deny her actions. It’s a typical response

            “The things being said about Quinn are a lie!”

            “Nope, here’s the proof”

            “What man who the heck cares….”

          • Mr Corrections

            We’re not defending her character – we’re saying that you have none. It doesn’t matter what she’s like, you losers don’t get to threaten her.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            I’ve never threatened her, I’m not sure why you’re accusing me of having done something so terrible. But when I post links to the things that Zoe Quinn herself has said, and your response is to call me names, it gives the appearance that you’re defending her.

            Like, why would you get angry at me upon seeing something that Quinn has done?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because no-one cares about your half-assed post hoc justifications for why you’ve stalked and abused a woman for months?

          • Smazeli

            But I’ve never stalked or abused any women, ever. Do you have me confused with someone else?

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, why are you attacking a woman’s character at all?

            Find something else to do.

      • Eggard Snark

        this lunatic has been on this thread for days.

        get a life, Zoe!

        • ReallyNotThough

          …says one of the first guys I responded to.

          Also, interesting how GG shift tactics when no facts support their position, huh?

        • EpicFails

          Now, now, Eron settle down.

      • Smazeli

        Well, the Rolling Stone had a fact-checking department….

        by the way, you realize that most of the stories of Quinn’s death threats rely on Quinn’s own words as the only source, right? No reporter or individual has ever seen any of the 16 gigs of ‘evidence’ she has collected, and she blocks anyone who asks about them.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “Well, the Rolling Stone had a fact-checking department….”

          That failed, and was held accountable. Eron is not being held accountable by anyone. See the difference?

          “most”

          Yeah when we can see people planning the threats and threatening her with out own eyes this falls short

          • Smazeli

            “That failed, and was held accountable.”

            Well no, not really. Even after the review revealed systematic failures, the Rolling Stone announced that they would take punitive actions or reforms, or any employees or departments

            “Eron is not being held accountable by anyone.”

            Actually he’s being held legally accountable via a one-way gag order. The case she took against him is still in the court system

            “Yeah when we can see people planning the threats and threatening her with out own eyes this falls short”

            I dunno, you’ve seen her admissions to infidelity with your own eyes, and you won’t admit those are real. Instead you attack me, for HER actions. Why?

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, I attack you, for your actions.

            Why the fuck do I care if someone has sex with someone else?

            I care about you participating in mass stalking for no fucking reason at all, and lying constantly about your target to justify it.

    • EpicFails

      LOL lol lol

      • Benjamin Hitov

        I’m glad I could brighten your day with laughter.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “believe that what he did was good.”

      Hahahaha I missed this part. Yeah you get how absolutely nothing good came out of this, right?

    • GP

      You guys keep peddling the same person who calls themselves a feminist and thinking that will have some clout. It’s cute, you think feminists hive-mind like you. Go snuggle your “feminist” Based Mom, creep.

  • Eggard Snark

    lol at the same lunatics from the other day still hanging out on this thread, get a life losers.

    • Mr Corrections

      I have one! And, unlike yours, it doesn’t involve threatening ANYONE.

      I hope that helps!

      • Eggard Snark

        you’ve been defending your girlfriend here for days, what a life.

        • ReallyNotThough

          you’ve been expressing deep and disturbing psychosexual inadequacy for days

          • Eggard Snark

            Dr. Quinn medicine hippo

          • ReallyNotThough

            yes prove you don’t feel inadequate in bed by saying a stranger is fat that definitely works every time

          • Eggard Snark

            you are the one having thoughts about my junk, perv. why do you freaks always obsess over my cawk?

          • ReallyNotThough

            this is the weakest shit i’ve ever seen

          • Eggard Snark

            not as weak as defending a gaslighting hippo, you sure know a lot about her and what she does with her vagina you obsessive perv.

          • ReallyNotThough

            getting weaker

          • Eggard Snark

            How big is Eron’s penis?

          • ReallyNotThough

            how are you this bad at trolling it’s seriously not that hard

          • Eggard Snark

            not as bad as you pretending to be some random person on the Internet, how long until you run away again and go away already?

          • ReallyNotThough

            i stopped talking to you because I was too full of pity for how sad your life is

            i’m about 50% there again

          • EpicFails

            It is great that ggs finest minds are coming out to play. ..

          • Eggard Snark

            I’m just trying to fit in by obsessing over genitals and who is banging who with them, that is what feminism activism is all about

          • EpicFails

            No, this article is about a creepy dude that handed his ex over to 4/8 chan to target and abuse.

          • Eggard Snark

            the abusive gaslighting lying cheating raping woman who cucked him? poor baby. she sounds like a delicate flower

          • ReallyNotThough

            real talked if you ever use the word “cucked” you need to get your life back together

          • EpicFails

            Poor Eron made bad relationship choices. Most of us have. Only we don’t feed our exes to channers to abuse then try to profit from it.

          • Smazeli

            Are there situations where it IS appropriate for someone to publicly talk about the abuses they faced in their past relationships?

          • EpicFails

            Sure people vent all the time but they don’t use the person’s real name to avoid situations just like this. They certainly don’t shop the story around like Eron did on Reddit sites. Taking to the Channers was straight up abusive. He knew they hated before this all started.

            What reflects so badly on him is that he wants to use this situation to line his pockets. He is completely irrelevant outside his relationship with Quinn. He riding on her coattails and wants to keep doing it at her expense. That is seriously effed up.

            This will stay him for a long time. People remember chit like this, he’ll be begging on Patreon and Paypal for living. No one this kind of garbage in an office environment.

          • Smazeli

            “Sure people vent all the time but they don’t use the person’s real name to avoid situations just like this. They certainly don’t shop the story around like Eron did on Reddit sites. Taking to the Channers was straight up abusive. He knew they hated before this all started.”

            Well in fairness, he did post it on penny-arcade and somethingawful beforehand, and it was deleted because those forums were already filled with people that hated her. But mostly because she posted in those forums, and they already had bad experiences with her IRL

            “What reflects so badly on him is that he wants to use this situation to line his pockets. He is completely irrelevant outside his relationship
            with Quinn. He riding on her coattails and wants to keep doing it at her expense. That is seriously effed up.”

            No no, Quinn has volunteered for five times as many interviews about the incident, which is odd for someone that says they just want to move on and have everyone forget about it. Also Gjoni has only collected donations for his legal fund, and has already refunded every dollar that goes above his legal expense.

            But, have you seen Quinn’s Pateron income multiply before and after? She says its for making games but hasn’t made any visible progress on any since opening it. There was also Rebel Jam, the gamejam she started to organize and collect donations for. I can’t tell you how that’s going because Quinn has never provided any updates, and won’t answer any questions about where the money went or what happened to it. Weird, don’t you think?

            Not that she’s dependent on being a victim just to get media coverage, but I don’t blame her. I blame the media, because they have given her and her game zero attention outside of the context of her being a victim of cyberbullying. Nathan Grayson is the only exception, and that was the reporter she had a personal relationship with (he was paying her rent at the time of his first DQ article)

          • Mr Corrections

            It literally doesn’t matter in the slightest what Quinn did, or said, or who she slept with – everything you have done is fucking repugnant, and based solely on defending your shitty hobby from cooties. Grow the fuck up.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            “everything you have done is fucking repugnant, and based solely on defending your shitty hobby from cooties.”

            Well, that’s taking hyperbole to a whole new level. Do you care to explain how you feel? Talk to us

            It’s not that I care that you think all gaming is “shitty”, or that anything I’ve done here somehow keeps any girl from playing them (somehow). Why are my actions being defined as “repugnant”, while Quinn is considered untouchable for her actions? Can I have the privilege of not mattering as much as her?

          • Mr Corrections

            You’re fucking broken in the head, mate.

            I hope that helps!

          • EpicFails

            Gjoni does not have a Patreon account- bullshit he wants to vblog and is making a “game’. He would be a nobody without his relationship with Quinn. That is why he hates the gag order without Quinn he has nothing. It is pathetic.

          • Smazeli

            He did have a paypal, and his backers have confirmed that they got their money back once his legal fee was covered. Actually I think he hates the gag order because it’s an unprecedented one-way gag order that prevents him from defending himself against Quinn’s ongoing public accusations against him.

            I mean, wouldn’t you hate it if someone was calling you a sexist stalker and you had no legal right to say or prove otherwise?

          • EpicFails

            The restraining order kinda proves the malicious intent. As do the chat logs, interviews, and his twitter interactions.
            He also has a Patreon account. But it is not doing well.

          • Smazeli

            Well, not yet. The gag order was just a preliminary measure, no evidence was submitted at the court date, only Quinn got to testify, and Gjoni had no opportunity to defend himself, speak, or have is lawyer do any cross-examination. Which is exactly why the order will be thrown out in the coming months. Because judges make mistakes sometimes

          • EpicFails

            I hope he will abide by the order if it changes and not try to continue to “work behind the scenes” in the harassment of ZQ.

          • EpicFails

            Stay classy GG.

          • Mr Corrections

            So to sum: you’re accusing other people of having your highly evident flaws, and throwing in a huge heaping serve of fat-shaming and homophobia.

            I wonder why people think GamerGate is a movement of losers, again, exactly?

          • Eggard Snark

            look at the armchair internet psychologist. did you learn all this in your woman’s studies classes instead of learning useful subjects like philosophy and math?

          • ReallyNotThough

            um you don’t need psychology to know that only sad losers insult other people’s bodies on the internet.

            This is People 101.

          • Eggard Snark

            no, people insult your digusting fat body because it is funny, fatso.

          • ReallyNotThough

            pity’s at 75%

          • ReallyNotThough

            Real talk tho, do you actually think you’re fooling a single person, in either your online or offline life, into thinking that you don’t feel inadequate all the time?

          • Mr Corrections

            What part of noticing your laughably pathetic insults all involve homophobia requires a psychology degree, in your mind?

          • EpicFails

            I love it when they show their true colors.Just imagine what a person reading the comments will make of them. I hope they start wear gg shirts in public it might be an eye opener for them.

          • Eggard Snark

            yeah, all the people reading the 6k comments you lunatics have stunk this thread up with. GG isn’t a popularity contest anyway and isn’t running for mayor so your usual shame tactics won’t work

          • EpicFails

            Wow, shame tactics hmm like the shame tactics you use against ZQ? lol

          • Asura

            No trust me, shame tactics are not needed, merely looking at the words people like you write reveals all that’s needed to know about you disgusting wastes of flesh.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s refreshing in some ways, but it’s also kinda stomach churning. It’s a bit like finding out when a cop of politician is on the take. It’s good to know but it doesn’t help your faith in humanity any.

          • Eggard Snark

            you just happen to know the Zoe Post inside out, what a creepy person you are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            no i actually don’t read abusive shitstain’s screeds, nor create an entire movement around them

          • Eggard Snark

            I know, she tells you, you listen and believe, because you are so critical and smart.

          • ReallyNotThough

            no i just am aware that in order for a review to be traded for sex that review has to exist

            it’s almost like objects exist outside my field of vision

          • Eggard Snark

            your gaslighting and abusive behavior and generally being a bad person have nothing to do with reviews, Zoe.

        • Mr Corrections

          My girlfriend isn’t involved in this article at all. Have you been huffing paint?

          • Eggard Snark

            hey look you and your boyfriend are both here, what a great day, funny seeing you two still here you must have a lot going on.

          • ReallyNotThough

            that was almost english but not really

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh I see – you only know what relationships are via observation. It must be weird, being you.

    • Michael Lindsay

      lol at the same lunatics from the other day still hanging out on this thread, get a life losers

      You are saying this after posting how many spam comments now?

  • Eggard Snark

    Later Alex and Zoe have fun stalking these comment I’ll come back in another couple of days to laugh at you some more.

  • Eggard Snark

    “just think of the SHAME we will be able to muster when NORMALS read these comments! Oh shame, I love thee! My favorite progressive hobby right behind backstabbing!”
    -Feminist lunatic

    • Mr Corrections

      This is your second or third incoherent meltdown in as many days. Have you considered professional therapy? There is no shame in it.

      • Eggard Snark

        incoherent meltdown? lol I came here to spend 5 minutes laughing that you clowns are still here. Stay emasculated.

        • Mr Corrections

          Ah, I see – you’re an MRA (or “virgin”, as we used to say). Well, that’s OK – many people have been complete fucking jokes when young and have gone on to live perfectly acceptable lives as menial workers.

          • Smazeli

            This conversation is getting ugly. Let’s change the subject back to the torment Zoe Quinn has faced. Years before getting into game development she was still getting assaulted by sexist creeps. She once stabbed to death a man who tried to rape her, and never told the cops. She also worked as a stripper for a week before getting fired, and her only crime was punching and fracturing the eye socket of a patron who had sexually assaulted her.

            https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

            https://web.archive.org/web/20070717182408/http://www.deviantnation.com/girls/Locke

            These are a couple of stories that Zoe Quinn has personally told and I believe them to be true, 100% and am in NO WAY suggesting that she fabricated them in order to garner sympathy.

            But that’s my opinion, what do you think?

          • Mr Corrections

            I think you fucking suck.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            Well that’s a pretty hurtful thing to say. Did I offend you in some way? It wasn’t my intention, only to share info (with citations, you are welcome!)

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t care about her sex life; it’s nobody’s business but hers. Nothing she has ever said or done justifies her being stalked by slimy woman-hating creepos like you.

            You are a worm, friend.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            Alright, I’ll try not to take it personally. What have I said that implies I hate women? Where have I stalked her? Everything I posted is public information, shared by herself and her coworkers for the purpose of being read by the public

            Also, the posts of mine you’re replying to contain no details about her sex life. But contrary to you claim, her relationship past isn’t *just* her business. It’s the business of her boyfriends, any of her boyfriend’s wives, and their readers (when it comes to writing about her)

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t care what invertebrates think.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            You don’t care what Quinn has to say about the guy she killed? Or her struggles as a stripper? Come on now, the poor woman has been through a lot, tormented at nearly every job and occupation she’s pursued for most of her adult life. Why do you care more about descriptions of rape in emails than you do about her actual rape?

            You don’t doubt her, right?

          • Mr Corrections

            See previous post

          • Smazeli

            Are you calling Quinn and invertebrate? That’s awful, at least I’ve never called her any names.

          • hams

            It’s great how you guys think pretending to be too stupid to understand is an effective argument.

          • Mr Corrections

            You realise that you aren’t doing anything to dispel the notion that you guys are emotionally stunted, here.

          • Smazeli

            Can I ask why you’ve dodged my earlier questions about Zoe’s run-ins with sexual assault? I only was looking for your thoughts and opinions. There’s no wrong answers!

          • Mr Corrections

            You can ask. I won’t answer, because you don’t deserve an answer to your dumbass questions on account of how you clearly fucking suck in every possible metric.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            You’re technically answering, just not providing good or informative answers. Well, informative beyond the fact that you get very visibly upset when people ask for your opinions on things. Is that in real life as well, or just the internet?

          • Mr Corrections

            You literally just posted, above, that you thought that you think it’s not so bad that you sent rape threats to women who have previously been sexually assaulted, because that’s not as objectively bad in your cartoon mind. There’s no arguing with you – you’re fucking garbage, and you need to shut the fuck up forever, if not longer.

            Holy balls, you’re even worse than the others.

          • Smazeli

            “You literally just posted, above, that you thought that you think it’s
            not so bad that you sent rape threats to women who have previously been
            sexually assaulted, because that’s not as objectively bad in your
            cartoon mind.”

            No, I said that actual rape is worse than rape threats. And then I asked if you agreed. Then you got really mad (well, madder). I also never said, literally or figuratively or otherwise, that I sent rape threats, to anyone, ever.

            I, literally, said the opposite

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you think that you’re capable of fooling anyone smarter than a four-year-old. You are not.

            I hope that helps, rapebro!

          • Smazeli

            I’m starting to doubt your sincerity in wanting to be helpful, because your posts increasingly contain less content, more ad-hominems, and become further disconnected from anything actually being said in front of you. Can I assume you’re completely slipped off mentally, and are now conversing with someone else?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re a sad sack of unlovable shit.

            I hope that helps!

          • EpicFails

            You are like a demented energy bunny. It is none our business.

          • calbeck357

            So you’re cool with domestic abuse? Weirdo.

          • EpicFails

            Show us the police reports. Otherwise it could all be lies that an attention seeking little stalker put out there for revenge.

          • calbeck357

            Funny, the same has been asked of Zoe Quinn for about seven months now. Are you in agreement that mere allegations aren’t enough to justify accusing someone of being evil… say, a person like Eron Gjoni?

            But if you do want solid facts about Quinn being a terrible person, try THIS police report: https://pressfarttocontinue.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/03-f0dv2yk.png

            In it, you will notice very specific allegations about very specific people doxxing Quinn on a very specific podcast. This is the report Quinn used in order to get a hearing to put a gag order on Gjoni.

            Problem: nowhere in the podcast does any doxxing take place. And in the courtroom transcript, there is no mention made of any of these specific allegations — it all lapses into general claims of a nebulous “mob” and suggestive means of doxxing-by-proxy, which is absolutely NOT what Quinn claimed to the police.

            So, proof positive that Zoe Quinn lies to police in order to get her ex-boyfriend in front of a judge.

          • EpicFails

            Again if this is proven as you claim the police would have cited her. Apparently they believe that Eron continues to work behind the scenes in the ongoing harassment campaign. He makes that claim as well.
            This does not have anything to do with domestic abuse though. They are estranged and he should stay away from her problem solved. Unless he is trying to cash it on this mess.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Really starting to think that anti-GG and SJWs are some secret-society of ninja-lawyers… no matter how much compelling and bulletproof info/evidence is tossed before them, they ALWAYS manage to talk right around it and quickly switch the focus to something else. Ooooh, look, a shiny object! xD

          • Mr Corrections

            Aaaand there it is – “SJWs”, the not-so-secret code for “I’m an MRA piece of shit woman-hater”.

            Thanks for playing!

          • EpicFails

            I am really starting to believe that GGers are obsessed stalkers that use internet mobs to abuse people. Look another stalker. xD

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m cool with the legal system handling judicial matters, and not lynch mobs of Axe-bodyspray-huffing shitbirds, yes.

            I hope that helps!

          • calbeck357

            Then welcome to #GamerGate. -:)

          • Mr Corrections

            Welcome to my balls.

          • JSladden

            You’re a fucking sociopath, get help.

          • GP

            “This conversation is getting ugly. Let’s change the subject back to the torment Zoe Quinn has faced. ”

            ETHICS!

            (P.s. You sound like a real winner. Grade A person material.)

          • Smazeli

            Yes! The things that Zoe Quinn has been through are indeed very unethical, I’m glad you agree.

          • GP

            Wow, days later and you’re finally catching on to GG’s abuse. 4 for you, great job.

          • Smazeli

            I was referring to the rape and sexual assault she received prior to GG. Those are way worse than getting mean emails, right?

          • Mr Corrections

            “I was referring to the rape and sexual assault she received prior to GG. Those are way worse than getting mean emails, right?”

            What the FUCK is wrong with you?

          • Smazeli

            Is there something wrong or inaccurate about what I said? Do you disagree that actual rape is worse than rape threats?

          • Mr Corrections

            There’s something VERY WRONG with what you said. Can you figure it out?

            Jesus Christ.

          • Smazeli

            Alright, let’s break down my post to try and figure it out:

            “I was referring to the rape and sexual assault she received prior to GG.”

            There are three statements of fact in here, that Zoe Quinn was raped, sexually assaulted, and that they both happened prior to the formation of GG. All three of these things were confirmed true by Quinn herself in the links I posted above

            “Those are way worse than getting mean emails, right?”

            This is more of a subjective statement, which is why I posted it in the form of a question directed toward you. Most people agree that actual rape is worse than internet rape threats. Do you agree or disagree? I mean, if you disagree that’s fine. It’s your opinion.

          • Mr Corrections

            So that’s a resounding “NO, WHAT’S WRONG WITH RAPE THREATS?” then.

            Thanks for your contribution, GamerGater.

          • Smazeli

            That’s a fake quote. I’ve never even remotely asked what is wrong with rape threats. Why do you keep making up fake quotes, when you can just quote the thing’s I’ve actually said.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that reducing your fuckhead reasoning to its base level makes it obvious just how shitty a person you are, but I am not responsible for the HUGE FUCKING FLAWS in your personality that render you a friendless loser.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            Well of course making up new quotes and attributing them to a person makes a person seem shitty. Look, I can do it too:

            “I am a huge moron please don’t listen to what I say because I shit myself whenever someone does anything that might contradict my fragile worldviews” – Mr Corrections

            See? Don’t you terrible here? Of course it wouldn’t convince anyone because this is a fake quote. If I were to reply to it, I’d look deluded and unwilling to deal with the reality in front of me, instead opting to talk to caricatures that spawned from my imagination. As is the case for most people who make up quotes and then get really mad at the statements they just made up.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you still think there’s a way out from you DIRECTLY AND OPENLY SAYING THAT GAMERGATE’S RAPE THREATS WEREN’T SO BAD.

            There fucking isn’t, though, you piece of shit.

            I hope that helps!

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            This is the exact problem with anti-GG… they try to dissect wording, which in a general sense would normally be fine… but they like to add in their own extra to the equation as a matter of twisting words. Saying actual rape is worse than rape threats (since they’re not the actual damaging action) is NOT the same as saying there’s nothing wrong with rape threats.

            There IS something wrong with rape threats, but in a list of prioritization of wrongness… actual rape is worse than rape threats. It’d be like saying, getting a death threat is worse than when you’re actually dead. *shrugs*

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are broken in the head. Please stop trying to justify it, as it is grotesque and off-putting.

          • Mr Corrections

            Haha wow, you just can’t let your shittiness go. Sorry your head is fucking broken.

          • Smazeli

            Ah, I see the misconception. No, I’ve never sent her rape threats.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t care if you’ve sent her rape threats, or you’re just condoning it (as you are here, directly and explicitly) – you are FUCKED UP.

          • Smazeli

            Where on earth did I condone rape threats? I’ve called the people sending rape threats all kinds of negative things.

            And where do you get the twisted idea that something not being *as bad* as rape makes it a good, acceptable thing? Nearly everything is better than rape, but that includes a lot of awful things.

            Anyway, I posted the question to you because you were interested in Quinn’s rape threats, but explicitly said that you don’t care at all about the time she was actually raped. Which sounded cold.

          • Mr Corrections

            FUCKED. UP.

          • EpicFails

            Dude were you dropped on your head or something?

          • Smazeli

            No, unless you’re telling me that I imagined these stories from Zoe Quinn:

            https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

            https://web.archive.org/web/20070717182408/http://www.deviantnation.com/girls/Locke

            Now, instead of launching personal insults, maybe we could talk more about the facts at hand? What do you think of the things Quinn is saying in these links?

          • EpicFails

            Geez, you are a gossip addict man just stop. You keeping on trying to trash her when it is none of our business. It is an invasion of privacy and makes you look like an obsessed freak.

          • Smazeli

            An invasion of privacy? None of this info is private, it was posted to Quinn’s public blog for the specific purpose of telling the world about the sexists that she knocks out.

            And how does what I’ve said trashed her? She stabbed a rapist to death, that’s an incredibly brave and commendable action! Not so much evading the police but honestly who cares.

            And she knocked out a guy who was sexually assaulting her. Again, another act of valor that deserves our applause!

          • EpicFails

            Seriously, if you are going dig up every little detail on this woman’s life whether it is true or not makes you come off as a stalker. It is scary that you don’t get that.

          • Smazeli

            I didn’t dig for this info, a former coworker of mine sent me the links on facebook since it was relevant to recent articles about her.

            And why are you implying that Quinn’s stories of survival might not be true? Why would you doubt what she said?

          • Mr Corrections

            “IT’S ABOUT ETHICS IN GAMING JOURNALISM! BUT HERE ARE SOME LIES I MADE UP ABOUT QUINN’S SEX LIFE TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IT’S NOT ABOUT STALKING HER” <- you

          • Smazeli

            That’s another quote you made up. If you want to create an imaginary person to argue and get mad at, that’s fine. It doesn’t have to involve me though. Maybe you can get out a notepad, and then write something offensive on it, and then yell at the offensive thing you just wrote. Or pretend it’s a letter that someone wrote you. You can write an angry letter back!

            You’ll also have to clarify what lie I made up about her sex life because I’ve been pretty good about sourcing things upon request!

          • EpicFails

            Your goal is to make her look like a liar or a fool. It is disturbing that you guys share this type bullshit. She has committed no crime, no police reports have been made against her, the other stuff is being handled in court. What is your agenda other than to smear her name?

          • Smazeli

            What are you talking about? I’ve posted Zoe Quinn’s own personal accounts. If she looks dishonest or foolish in her words, then why would you blame me for it?

            Are you doubting her claim that she stabbed a rapist to death? That she’s just some charlatan making up stories of victimization to garner sympathy? Come on now, that’s crazy.

          • EpicFails

            You keep screeching that she is a horrible person and have linked every source GG has provided you to make a case. What you blatantly ignore is that IT IS NOT NORMAL to abuse and stalk people on the internet. It must be terrible to have 1000s of people like you attacking her online. Instead you try to justify the reasons behind the abuse. She has not been cited for a criminal offense. She is attempting to protect herself from ongoing abuse. This seems to piss you guys off. Why do you need power over this woman? Why do you need for rewrite her history?

          • Smazeli

            You seem to have me confused with someone else, I have never called Quinn a horrible person. Nor have I ever stalked anyone or sent anyone any abusive messages

            Minor correction though, Quinn has ignored most of the advice she has gotten from law enforcement and experts on how to protect herself from ongoing abuse, instead opting to promote her attackers while protecting them from any sort of recourse.

          • GP

            Oh, the ones continued and compounded on by GG? Yes, awful stuff.

          • Smazeli

            Woah, she continued to be raped and sexually assaulted after GG? When did this happen? Please, fill me in.

          • GP

            Oh sorry, I assumed you were talking about the rape and death threats sent to Zoe by GG.

            So why are you talking about that other shit? You’re not even a little creepy, are you?

          • Smazeli

            Because this article is about the sexist-driven torment that Zoe has faced, and these are additional examples of them? How is it not relevant? It makes it easier to understand why Zoe would be so much more concerned about rape threats than other developers.

            I’m not sure why her stories of survival are bothering you so much. Did I do something to offend you?

          • Mr Corrections

            “I don’t know why you think me bringing up (a fictional version of) her sex life to justify our rape threats is so offensive” <- you

          • GP

            What bothers me is your stalkerish behaviour and your calculated imagining that somehow these stories would discredit what has happening to her.

            I get that you’re trying out a whole new “sea lion” flavour in your tone, but that just makes you a mission times creepier.

          • Smazeli

            I’ve never stalked anyone, the information that I’ve posted is all public info. Also I’ve never remotely implied that Quinn’s previous tales of facing sexist abuse in any way discredit her. Nor did I ever imply they were false. Why would they discredit her, in your mind? It’s perfectly viable that she stabbed to death a rapist and didn’t tell the police, because she TOLD her friends that and why would she make up something like that?

          • GP

            Available if you dig hard enough/someone comes forward with “totally legit” (aka their word and nothing else) =/= public information.

            You have issues if you can’t discern the difference between normal internet activity and compiling “TRUE STORIES OF ZOE QUINN.” But you’re on this thread replying to posts with your lies almost 2 weeks after the initial article was published so I didn’t need anymore proof.

          • Smazeli

            The information I posted is from Quinn’s own emails, statements, and her public blog. There is no digging involved, this is stuff that she broadcasted to the world in her own blog for the purpose of telling the public. If you want to insinuate that you don’t trust the word of Zoe Quinn, that’s your own opinion. But please keep in mind that you are denying the experiences of rape survivors.

            Also, are you not aware that you’re replying to posts in a 2 week old article? Is that proof that you also have issues? Anyway, let me know if you want anything else debunked.

          • GP

            Really? That BS statement from a former photog was from Quinn? Or her previous modelling pseudonyms? Huh, fun times.

            Let me know if you want anything else debunked. Or like, quit replying. Move on with your life.

          • Smazeli

            “Really? That BS statement from a former photog was from Quinn?”

            Hm? Why is it BS? Do you have proof or evidence that she is lying? What about the emails she included, are those fake as well? I mean, Quinn never needed to prove the shit that’s happened to her before so it’s weird that suddenly her word isn’t good enough.

            “Or her previous modelling pseudonyms? Huh, fun times.”

            Are you suggesting Quinn was lying just because she worked under a different name? We know it’s her. Come on, tell me what you really think.

          • GP

            “Do you have proof or evidence that she is lying? ”

            Samesies but “telling the truth.”

            “Are you suggesting Quinn was lying just because she worked under a different name?”

            Uh, no? I’m straight up saying your team went out and dug it up like the creeps you are (unless Eron straight up gave the info? I dunno, I haven’t read the ZP since September.]

          • Smazeli

            “Samesies but “telling the truth.””

            She posted photos proving that she worked with Zoe Quinn, and included her email exchanges as proof. Did you not read it?

            “Uh, no? I’m straight up saying your team went out and dug it up like the creeps you are”

            There was no digging involved, a link was posted for it by her coworker on facebook, and it’s been sitting on deviantnation’s website for years, on the first page of google results for the adult film actress Locke Valentine. Surprise, some people remembered. And it was on blog that Quinn created for reaching out to fans. Suddenly her communications with the public are private?

          • GP

            “did you not read it”

            I did, it was screencaps with no identifying marks that could have been from anything.

            “a link was posted for it by her coworker on facebook” “sitting on deviantnation’s website for years”

            How is that no digging exactly? This was just in the conscious mind despite being years old this entire time. Sure.

            Does digging only mean getting BaSeD lAwYR to hire a P.I. to you? For future reference: Googling pseudonyms, back checking Facebook walls, getting website memberships to check up on people you hate constitutes digging. You know, for your next time. Cause I can only assume there will be a next time with you people.

            You’re a waste of my precious, precious time. Future payments of at least £11 per hour from here on out.

    • Michael Lindsay

      The “normals” have read plenty of your comments, from the guy calling American women “garbage”, the other guy screaming that Zoe is overweight and the many many Gamergaters calling Quinn a rapist because she had consensual sex with men who weren’t Gonj.
      Damn right normal passer bys have drawn their own conclusions!

      • Mr Corrections

        won’t someone think about the Ethics in Gaming Journalism!

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Actually, according to Zoe and Gonj chat log I guess she called herself a rapist by their own agreed upon extended definition of the word? I gave up on figuring out who’s right/wrong/indifferent between those two… but kind of hard to defend her being called a rapist when she calls herself it and even contextualizes a definition of why.

        • Mr Corrections

          Gosh, that imaginary crap you made up to retroactively justify your harassment changes everything, glad you cleared that up

        • Michael Lindsay

          according to Zoe and Gonj chat log

          According to the private correspondence between two people who were romantically involved at the time and shouldn’t have been shared by one of them if he wasn’t being a bitter, vengeful little prick.
          This is the drama equivalent of revenge porn, just as seedy-just as sad.

  • ReallyNotThough

    Just a reminder that after channers started threatening Quinn, Eron joined their groupchat to tell them about her former boyfriends, professional activity, family, and friends.

    • Smazeli

      I was in that chat, and this isn’t true. A few idiots suggested going after Quinn, and we banned them while reiterating that Quinn was not to be touched.

      • ReallyNotThough

        You know we can see the chat online, right?

        Also, you get we know the purpose of burgersandfries, right?

        • Smazeli

          Yes, I encourage you to go read it in it’s entirety. Quinn was also sitting in that chat, but didn’t feel it necessary to say anything or step in or try and do anything at all to prevent the shadowy conspiracy that was unfolding against her.

          But she did manage to screencap and tweet to her followers someone suggesting we hack her accounts, right before he was kicked from the chatroom.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I did. I saw people openly saying they wanted to drive Quinn to kill herself, and then Eron Gjoni telling those same people infortmation about her friends, family, business, and personal life.

            “Quinn was also sitting in that chat, but didn’t feel it necessary to say anything or step in or try and do anything at all”

            Hmm why wouldn’t she reveal herself to people planning to drive her into suicide? Not like that would have resulted in additional abuse or anything.

            You get how there was no non-abuse purpose of burgersandfries, right? The name was about a woman’s sex life, you creepy fucking stalker.

          • Smazeli

            “I did. I saw people openly saying they wanted to drive Quinn to kill
            herself, and then Eron Gjoni telling those same people infortmation
            about her friends, family, business, and personal life.”

            Again, this is false, the people suggesting that we do anything to Quinn were banned from the chatroom.

            “Hmm why wouldn’t she reveal herself to people planning to drive her into suicide?”

            In order to prevent it? It seems pretty reasonable to want to quash any rumor-mongering going on about you. Maybe step forward to say “Hey this is all a big misunderstanding! This is what really happened!”. Most were pretty eager for dialogue and were wondering why Quinn was blocking out all questions on twitter, no matter how civil. It’s just frustrating how Quinn has displayed no desire to take any real steps to put an end to her current situation, and has repeatedly ignored advice from experts to instead worsen her own situation. She’s done this by giving her trolls publicity and attention, while shielding them and their identities from any possible recourse. What gives? Why protect the people threatening to rape you?

            “Not like that would have resulted in additional abuse or anything.”

            No, it wouldn’t. Why would it? Civil dialogue is never a bad thing. I mean, you’ve said all kinds of awful things about me, but my replies to you haven’t caused you to threaten to rape me, has it?

            “You get how there was no non-abuse purpose of burgersandfries, right? The name was about a woman’s sex life, you creepy fucking stalker.”

            It was a reference to “five guys”, as in the number of men that had an affair with her. You’ll notice that the people referenced are the males, all of them. See, a sex life doesn’t belong to one person, by definition it’s something that’s shared among other people. And as you can see in the chat, your claim just isn’t true.

            Also why would you call me a stalker? I’ve never stalked or looked up anyone’s private info.

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s why you’re here, right now, trying to spread rumours about her sex life – because of the Journalism Ethics.

          • Smazeli

            What I’ve posted are not rumors though, they’re all demonstrable facts.

          • SirKamyk

            Hey. Could you point me to where these logs are? I’d like to form an informed opinion on this topic. Thanks :)

          • Smazeli

            Are you referring to the chatlogs where Quinn admits to the affairs? They’re on Gjoni’s blog, specifically the “ZoePost” if you put that into google. The video where he shows the chatlogs should also still be on his youtube account

          • SirKamyk

            I’m referring to those chatroom/groupchat logs. Are they available anywhere? I’ve seen the Facebook chats between Quinn and Gjoni :)

          • Smazeli

            Oh, the 4chan chatlogs. Those should be either archived on the gamergate wiki, or the unofficial 4chan archives. I’m at work so I can’t access either or those sites for another hour, if you want to wait, but you should be able to google them

          • SirKamyk

            Sure, I’ll look for them. If you could still provide me a link when you can, I’d appreciate it. It’s late over here so if I don’t manage to find the logs I’ll follow your link tomorrow.

          • Rye

            Yep, that’s it. It’s quite a long document–they doc dumped it, thinking no one would want to read through all of that–but you can find them discussing doxxing Quinn and everyone associated with her, including the wife of a man she allegedly slept with, a couple minutes in. No one was kicked.

          • Mr Corrections

            To be exact, they only dumped it because other people had joined the chat and screen-capped the grossest parts. Apparently they thought that the bits in between would somehow justify the rest, in much the same way that they think that bringing up someone’s sex life somehow retroactively justify their rape threats (as repeatedly demonstrated in comments on this article).

            Faulty fucking units, the lot of them. They should be scrapped for parts.

          • Live the dream

            You do realize that is a public chat room? They are not conductors or controllers of a mass of people. They were just individuals. It was a joke in much the same i have seen things like #killallmen and so forth. They were joking in a hyperbolic way. That is all. If you think they actually wanted to do these things … well you don’t understand much.

          • Mr Corrections

            Bull. Shit.

          • Smazeli

            They threatened to use sarin gas, specifically. Brianna Wu brought attention to it, misinterpreting it as a threat FROM a gamergate member

          • Live the dream

            But thats okay you see gamergaters aren’t real people to them. I can’t think of an alternative theory that would give them the justification to ignore the harassment of those who believe that their is corruption and it should be solved.

          • Mr Corrections

            You aren’t real people to ANYONE.

            I hope that helps, shitbro!

          • Mr Corrections

            OK rapebro

          • Smazeli

            rapebro? What’s up with that?

          • Mr Corrections

            I guess you earned that name from the way you keep trying to downplay rape threats and victim-blame by bringing up the sex life (or the obviously false version you’ve invented thereof) of your enemies, as if that could ever justify the behaviour of GamerGate, a group of MRAs that exists for no other purpose than to harass and intimidate women for daring to have opinions counter to yours.

            I hope that helps, rapebro!

          • Smazeli

            Where did I say or imply that GamerGate’s actions were justified? You’ll have to quote me. Also I haven’t posted any fictitious version of Quinn’s sex life, I’ve included citations from Quinn herself and multiple people who were directly involved. Are they all lying?

            Additionally I’m not sure why you think my description of Quinn’s actions justifies any rape or death threats on her. Believe it or not, a person can commit multiple affairs AND not deserve rape threats for it!

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” AND not deserve rape threats for it!”

            Maybe burgersandfries should never have existed then, huh.

          • Live the dream

            They are not conductors trust me. There are a lot of people in that channel who wish they could control what is happening. There are no controlers or leaders.

          • Mr Corrections

            Counterpoint: Bull. Shit.

          • JSladden

            Why do you apologists keep asking to be trusted? Don’t you guys believe that your case is supported by evidence?

          • EpicFails

            Hoping she commit suicide, gets raped, sends her to an institution, destroys her career is joke? You are twisted.

          • Live the dream

            I have had people say that we should gas all gamergaters. Does that mean there was a real threat to kill people?

            Are you saying gassing people and mass murdering them is a joke?

            You are more twisted to go out of your way to ignore the reality of what i just said. ITS A JOKE.

          • Mr Corrections

            No, GamerGaters do not meet the minimum standard that is required to be counted as people. At best, you are lower primates.

            I hope that helps!

          • Live the dream

            I thought dehumanizing and insulting people was a bad thing? Is this proof of harassment?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are too stupid to understand things, but that is not an issue I am required to rectify.

            I hope that helps!

          • EpicFails

            Did they post your home address and the addresses of you extended family? Was this before or after months of abuse thrown your way. Did people write a book which depicts raping and torturing you? Did they start a site where they wrote fiction about raping feminists on reddit?

          • Live the dream

            The book wasn’t written by gg. Just someone who heard the story a few months prior and used that as a basis. I have also experienced months of abuse so has eron milo and mark kern and many many others. Fictional rape stories that aren’t published aren’t really an awful thing since its just protected speech and that person doesn’t actually advocate rape in real life.

            Many other people have had their address posted. Many other people have had terrible things happen to them that the media ignores. Why is zoe more important than other people who have experienced harassment over the years some even far worse than anything you have described?

          • ReallyNotThough

            right right the same people actively sexually harassing Quinn were also “joking” about harassing her on a chatroom

            This is not how jokes work

          • Smazeli

            Could you link me to a few of them justifying the rape threats Quinn is getting? Thanks!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are functionally illiterate, but rectifying your deficiencies is not my problem.

            I hope

          • Smazeli

            See, when people ask me to back up my claims, I try my best to follow through since it’s a polite thing to do.

            What I try to avoid doing is throw around personal insults in response, because they would make me look insecure and unable to prove that my beliefs are based on evidence.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you think that you are fooling anybody other than your fellow misogynist shut-ins.

            You aren’t.

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            Are you suggesting that my citations are phony? Why wouldn’t the links be convincing?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re human garbage.

          • EpicFails

            There is an 8chan board posted below which have ggers trying get info on her extended family.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah, that is one of the more nauseating things they did. Other than the thousands of rape and death threats, I mean.

          • Smazeli

            Actually RougeStar was kicked, he was the one talking about hacking Quinn. That didn’t stop people from screencapping his messages and advertising him as THE FACE OF GG

          • Mr Corrections

            Gosh, one person (out of thousands of woman-hating stalkers). Well our point is completely disproven, except for all the proof.

          • Smazeli

            But there weren’t thousands. Or if there were thousands of woman-haters in the chat, they didn’t say anything.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK rapebro

          • Pitchguest

            Thousands, huh? I think we must be looking at a very different chat log.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t really want to spend my time coming up with an exact count of you shitty gross losers for the sake of a single sentence.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            You don’t want to spend time coming up with an exact count of anything, it seems.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sure you thought that was a cutting remark, somehow.

          • EpicFails

            Well all the ggers wearing eye patches on their avatars in support of Roguestar helped that image along.

          • Smazeli

            And the one’s that don’t? Do they prove otherwise? Since open condemnations of Roguestar aren’t enough, what else should they do?

          • JSladden

            They should stop using the name of a movement that, whether you like it or not, is now irrevocably associated with the organised harassment of women.

            Do you see the weakness of the position “We’re against the harassment of women, but nonetheless are fine with sharing the name of a movement which is demonstrably linked to such harassment?”

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Oh, the reputation of the anti-GG side isn’t all that much better… kind of sad when the figureheads and spoke persons for the supposedly “righteous” side each has their own semi lengthy rap-sheet of sorts. It’s only because of the way media spins everything for the narratives that give the best ratings on the agendas they’re looking to push… that they stay looking so “noble” all the time.

            I mean seriously… even mainstream media points out how horrible GamerGate supposedly is for doxxing… yet, a large number of people on the anti-GG side actually advocate FOR and condone doxxing as long as they feel “justified” in doing so… Adam Sessler, Jim Sterling, Zoe Quinn, Rebecca Watson, etc… they’ve all either doxxed others or spoken out in favor of it.

            Big shining example of you don’t believe me… do a search on YouTube of “Adam Sessler doxxing”… there’s video clips of Sessler sitting on stage, right beside Jim Sterling, and in response to “justifiable actions”, he says, “screw your first amendment rights, if we get ahold of your information it’s going out there!”.
            (If you want one even better, Google search “Zoe Quinn wikipedia doxxing”.)

            So the narrative is that it’s okay for anti-GG to be “righteous vigilantes whenever they choose it fits their agenda, and or favors their clique”… but if GamerGate sneezes the wrong way, quick shoot it dead?

          • Rye

            It’s pretty obvious that the face of GamerGate was the harassment campaign. I haven’t seen anyone but GamerGate (albeit sarcastically) pointing to an individual as some sort of overlord directing minions. It was just a big group of individuals with the common goal of driving people they didn’t approve of out of the gaming industry. Most of us understand this. As a consumer of games for over half my life, I think GamerGate can suck a truckload of soggy dicks for running off and terrorizing talented people with fresh ideas, regardless of what they think they did or didn’t do. The outcome is telling enough.

          • Smazeli

            Hmm, you’ll have to explain how the demands for advertising and personal disclosures aided in driving anyone out of the industry. Also the people that have been “run off” due to GamerGate. Their most prominent targets (according to the media) haven’t decreased their professional output, if anything they’ve accumulated more funding because of it.

          • Rye

            That’s right, you sad little conspiracy theorists actually believe the “prominent targets” threatened themselves for donations. You can repeat your bizarre delusions until you believe them, but those of us who’ve read up on you have seen enough to know how full of it you all are. Have a great night stewing in your own impotent rage towards imaginary boogeymen–I have a backlog of games to work through.

          • Pitchguest

            Fine. Provide a list of all the people that Gamergate has supposedly driven out of the gaming industry.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Hmm, you’ll have to explain how the demands for advertising and personal disclosures”

            I tend to think the barrage of racism and sexism directed at everyone who says anything GG doesn’t like is the more salient issue.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Ironically, you kind of prove why GamerGate NEEDS to exist… if actually exercising, enforcing, and preserving ethics (enforcing disclosures, transparency, legitimate advertising, etc) actually drove anybody from the industry… well, that’s like saying the rays of the sun drove vampires into a dark shadowy basement (pre-Twilight). It kind of proves that there was an issue with ethics all along.

          • Mr Corrections

            What an incredible load of horseshit.

          • ReallyNotThough

            And now GG uses Rogue patches in their avatars, making him literally the face of GG.

            Huh.

          • Pitchguest

            What’s this “GG” of which you speak?

            Gamergate is not a collective. If some people are using avatars incorporating Roguestar’s symbol onto their avatars, that’s their business. Do you see Roguestar’s symbol on my avatar? No.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Gamergate is not a collective”

            Then stop defending it and claiming that it has ever accomplished anything.

          • Pitchguest

            I should stop defending it because I acknowledge that it’s not a collective with a hive mind that has to agree on anything and everything?

            In the name of Gamergate, people have donated to charities and campaigns designed to help people. That’s not me saying it’s accomplished anything, that’s me reciting facts. But donating thousands of dollars to various charities (cancer, anti-bullying, women in games), that’s an accomplishment in itself I think, even if you weren’t to tag the hashtag #Gamergate onto it. Just the people involved on that hashtag decided to donate their hard-earned (or perhaps not so hard-earned) cash for a better cause. Some hate movement.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “In the name of Gamergate, people have donated to charities and campaigns”

            No, individuals did. Gamergate is either a collective or it isn’t, make up your mind and tell me when you do.

          • Pitchguest

            Yes. Individuals made donations in the name of Gamergate. If Gamergate was a collective, everyone would have done but they didn’t. It was the Gamergate contingent on /v/ on 4chan that decided to donate first, hence the creation of Vivian James, and then Reddit decided they wanted to donate, too, hence the creation of Gilda Mars.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, Then individuals also made threats, lied, and harassed people in the name of Gamergate.

          • Pitchguest

            Sure. If you can find them. I haven’t seen a single threat made in the name of Gamergate, nor have I seen a single person who’s harassed someone in the name of Gamergate. Maybe you know of one.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I can find hundreds of GG lying about Quinn on this very thread. I can find a GG on this very thread harassing people with transphobic slurs. I can look at the mentions of any GG target any day and see harassment and threats by people with GG avatars.

            You get that people not in your cult don’t have to be willfully blind, right?

          • Pitchguest

            Usually when you claim someone’s lying, it’s good to provide some examples. You provided none. When you claim that people are harassing other people with “transphobic slurs”, it’s good to have some links to back it up. You provided none. How am I supposed to take you seriously?

            Oh, and I absolutely get that people in “my cult” don’t have to be willfully blind, but it’s difficult to assuade them when they have nothing to look at and you have nothing to show. You’ll have to do better than that.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha has your cult actually prevented you from seeing Ninja calling people by transphobic slurs on this very thread? Does it make you incapable of noticing the many GG arguing that Quinn had sex for coverage?

            “when they have nothing to look at and you have nothing to show.”

            You have this entire thread to look at. You choose to ignore your own as they lie and harass.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hey look here’s GG harassing someone with bigotry.

            http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/04/28/gamergate/#comment-1998864541

            I’m sure your cult is going to let you read that and accept that harassment is indeed happening, right?

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Uhhh, okay… so then, next time you use a hash-tag or identify with any political party, that means any action taken under that hash-tag, or by that party, is an exact demonstration of who you and everybody else under that hash-tag and party are, how you act, and how you should be perceived. If you’re a republican… does that mean we can blame and hate you for all of Bush’s mistakes? If you’re a democrat, can we blame and hate you for all of Obama’s mistakes?

            (There is such a thing as logic… try it out sometime, it might do you wonders.)

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, but it does mean you support that party’s platform and its public actions.

            Seriously, if you don’t want people to notice you support a movement founded on lies and abuse, don’t. This is not hard.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here’s them planning to drive Quinn to suicide:
            Aug 25 07.18.18 Any chance we can get Zoe to commit suicide?
            Aug 25 07.18.29 if we can get more daming evidence
            Aug 25 07.18.29 I think the abortion route is a good shot.

            Note that Logan was never kicked out, and Eron later said that burgersandfries was an appropriate response.

          • Mr Corrections

            Nah, they’re transparently self-serving lies spread by a hate group (GamerGate).

            I hope that helps!

          • Smazeli

            Alright, quote a lie (that serves me in some way) that I’ve allegedly posted, and I’ll be happy to provide a citation.

          • Mr Corrections

            “the people suggesting that we do anything to Quinn were banned from the chatroom” -> utterly false.

            I hope that helps!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sex for coverage is not a demonstrable fact. It’s a lie.

            Stop lying.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. Her are burgersandfries hoping she’ll kill herself:

            Aug 25 07.18.18 Any chance we can get Zoe to commit suicide?
            Aug 25 07.18.29 if we can get more daming evidence
            Aug 25 07.18.29 I think the abortion route is a good shot.

            Can you indicate where Logan was banned, or even criticized, for suggesting this?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “It was a reference to “five guys”, as in the number of men that had an affair with her. ”

            Yes, and you get that the only reason for hundreds of people to discuss who a woman slept with for days is to abuse her, right?

      • Michael Lindsay

        Yes Mr Smazeli, and that’s why you’ve been spending so much time in this excessively long thread.

        Condemning the idiots that went after Quinn, I thought you were condemning Quinn the whole time. Natural mistake of course.

        • Smazeli

          Why’s that? Did I describe an action of hers that is worthy of condemnation?

          • Mr Corrections

            You THOUGHT you did. You were wrong, obviously, but let’s be honest – you aren’t exactly Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli.

          • Smazeli

            Well, technically it was Michael Lindsay who did when he said “I thought you were condemning Quinn the whole time”

            Which implies he saw something about Quinn that seemed worth condemning. I wanted to know what it was.

          • Mr Corrections

            Technically, you are here defending a misogynistic hate group – GamerGate. Why should anything you think be taken seriously? You are clearly broken.

          • Live the dream

            Misogynist hate group?

            We dislike some women sure but we also like many women as well. We both hate and like women in general according to our own indvidual preferences and experiences. Is that not the case? The women in gamergate don’t understand how it could be a misogynist hate group and neither do I.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sure that you think you had a point there, instead of illustrating mine.

            You were incorrect.

            I hope that helps!

          • Live the dream

            Individual women are sometimes hated and sometimes liked. Do you only like women and consider disliking one woman to be disliking all women? I see women as individuals who do both good things and bad things just like men. Am i wrong to think this way?

          • Mr Corrections

            OK shitbro

          • Smazeli

            No no, misogyny typically requires hating all women.

          • Mr Corrections

            OH OK AS LONG AS YOU ONLY HATE MOST WOMEN THEN

          • Pitchguest

            Yeah, even if someone were to hate MOST women wouldn’t make them a misogynist unless they hated women because they’re women. And since misogyny means you have to hate ALL women because they’re women, they still wouldn’t be a misogynist. Only feminists have redefined misogyny so much, diluted it so such an extent, that everything you do, according to feminists, could be considered misogyny.

            Criticising a woman? Misogyny. Insulting a woman? Misogyny. Essentially everything that isn’t the very definition of misogyny is misogyny. Up is down, water is dry, sky is green.

          • ReallyNotThough

            4″:Yeah, even if someone were to hate MOST women wouldn’t make them a misogynist”

            By that definition there has never been a misogynist, ever, in the world.

            Bigots always have an exception, yet, they still oppress people.

          • Pitchguest

            Yes. there have been. There have been plenty of misogynists over the years. And by that I mean actual misogynists, not expressing hatred or dislike over a single woman, because misogyny is actually a mental illness – pathological.

            Today, though, everyone is a misogynist because everything you do is classified as misogyny, essentially rendering the word meaningless. The irony being that it wasn’t misogynists that created this worldview, or men of the patriarchy — the oppressive patriarchy — but other women. Feminists.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “misogyny is actually a mental illness”

            It isn’t. Check the DSM-IV.

            Words have meanings.

          • Pitchguest

            You’re right. It’s not. I was wrong. But it’s still the hatred of women. And seeing as it’s women, plural, I’m guessing the hatred of just one doesn’t qualify.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “just one”

            Yeah sure it’s not like the insults being used against Quinn by GG were specifically invented in order to slander and oppress women for the last century.

            No no there is no misogynistic tone to insulting a woman by her genitals.

            JFC how can GG manage to tie their shoes in the morning, this is some sad shit.

          • Pitchguest

            Tell me, how would one “insult a woman by her genitals”?

            And what does this have to do with the definition of misogyny? Does insulting a woman, singular, “by her genitals” somehow mean misogyny is still not the hatred against women, plural?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Criticising a woman?”

            Maybe try criticism that doesn’t involve endless repeated lies about a woman’s sex life and see how it goes?

          • Pitchguest

            Still not misogyny, genius.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I get you don’t think misogyny can exist in the real world but thinking doesn’t make it so.

          • Pitchguest

            No, misogyny exists. But that still doesn’t make what you say is misogyny misogyny.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If the only real misogyny is hating all women, no exceptions, then it doesn’t. Even serial killers love their mothers.

            However, in reality, misogyny doesn’t actually mean that.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            misogyny

            [mi-soj-uh-nee, mahy-]
            noun
            1.
            hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Notice it doesn’t say “all women.”

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            I get that you think that just because a person has an issue with a single INDIVIDUAL woman due to possible reasons, you want to assume that’s misogyny… but it’s not. People can be upset at the other gender without it being shoved into the definition of hating an entire gender. You’re saying you never got upset at your mother or female siblings? Never argued with or been mad at a girlfriend or ex-girlfriends? Never had a spat with a female friend? Because I guess if so, that makes you a misogynist right? I mean that may as well be saying anybody that kills a single person of a particular race has committed what… genocide?

          • Mr Corrections

            Luckily, GamerGate has obvious issues with lots of different women – not to mention the entire concept of feminism – so your idiotic argument is completely moot.

            I hope that helps!

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            No again, not moot, but you prove that your idiotic reading comprehension, idiotic logic, and idiotic ability to understand word definition is completely moot.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s weird that you think you’re fooling anyone, especially since you’ve already revealed (by using the phrase “SJWs”) that you’re an anti-feminist, and therefore garbage.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            It’s weird that you think anything you say contains any sort of coherent intelligence, and or any remote relevance whatsoever. It’s even more weird that you think you can fool anyone into believing that you have any smidge of an idea what you’re even talking about… because you obviously and blatantly don’t.

            PS – Anywho, have better things to do, just stopped in to see where the comments were at… heck, even having my teeth yanked without novacaine would be more thrilling and riveting than the uneducated debate tactics (note: drivel) you bring to the table. Best of luck getting educated and perhaps honing your debating skills for the next go-round; also, try using a bit of logic next time… it works better at shielding your bold and blatant ignorance, more so than by deflecting with childish and immature grade-school-level failed insults, that have as much merit as, “I know you are but what am I”. Don’t make me have to dig out the old cliche “stick and stones” routine. xD

            #iWinYouLose

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, but why do you rail against “SJWs” exactly, if the purpose of GamerGate isn’t the obvious one revealed by its actions (harassing women)?

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Was around for a few more minutes, multi-tasking, but about to head on to other stuff (at work)… you do realize that Social Justice Warriors, in definition, as well as traditional values, are supposed to be about more than JUST women right? (Problem is, again, modern third-reich neo-feminism makes it ONLY about women… as though women are the center of the universe. All the social-justice issues/problems in the world, and all they care about are feminine first-world problems.)

            The title states that they’re warriors OF and FOR social-justice… there’s more to social-justice than JUST women. *facepalm* You’re not doing your side any favors mate. -_-

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes, I get that think that feminism, and indeed all civil rights, are some sort of joke – that’s because you’re a privileged and entitled manbaby. What I’m asking is why you are pretending that GamerGate is anything but an excuse to harass and threaten women, when that’s all it’s ever done.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            BTW, on a side note… trying to type straight because I’m laughing so very hard over here, haha. Thanks for again showing even more blatant ignorance… there’s several modern-day feminists that actually call themselves SJWs… SJW = Social Justice Warrior… they take pride in being Warriors for Social Justice… I mean, the title in itself, who wouldn’t be. LOLOLOLOLOL… omg, thanks kid, I needed that laugh… certain things at work this week are tough, and that really just perked up my sails. Cheers mate!

          • Mr Corrections

            Everything you just wrote was incoherent gibberish. Are you having a stroke?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, it means if you use misogynist slurs to attack women for no reason other than misogyny, you’re a misogynist, hope that helps

          • Mr Corrections

            Wow. You’re fucking stupid.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah, I don’t really care that you think you somehow aren’t as bad as other bigots.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            Erm. Okay?

          • Mr Corrections

            Okay! So we’re agreed that you are a misogynistic prick, then.

          • Pitchguest

            No. But we’ve agreed that you’ve lost your marbles.

          • Mr Corrections

            How so? I’m not the one that’s here defending the openly sexist and racist pieces of shit that comprise GamerGate, the loseringest group of losers this side of Loser Town (population: you).

          • Pitchguest

            I don’t remember ever defending sexist and racist pieces of shit. Maybe you’re thinking of someone else.

            By the way, Arthur Chu just made a veiled threat to GGers peacefully meeting in a bar, a bar which was subsequently hit with a bomb threat. Care to comment? Arthur Chu is on your side of Loser Town, if I recall correctly.

          • Mr Corrections

            “I don’t remember ever defending sexist and racist pieces of shit.”

            No, that’s what you’re doing, right here.

            Additionally, I am disinterested in whatever fictional stories you want to make up about Arthur Chu, since not only are you a proven liar, but I don’t actually care who that is.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            You don’t know who it is but you still think the story’s fictional?

            Not the world’s greatest sceptic, then? Funny. I figured you were a shoe-in.

          • Mr Corrections

            Based on the fact that, so far, 100% of GamerGater stories have turned out to be self-serving lies, I have no hesitation in saying that you are lying.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            Right. So not the world’s greatest sceptic. Got it.

            I would ask you which stories turned out to be “self-serving lies”, but frankly I think I would just be wasting my time. You don’t seem like a person who cares much about evidence.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh, I’m intensely sceptical of your bullshit alright.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            No, the proper way to answer that would be to provide so much evidence of your claims that my face would fall off in total awe.

            You decided to go with a sartorial quip. Fail.

          • Mr Corrections

            Feel free to see the extensive illustration of your lies and brainless attempts at victim blaming, etc, provided elsewhere in this 5,000 post-strong forum by both myself and others. As a conspiracy theorist you have a psychological defect that makes you utterly incapable of accepting evidence, so really I’m just mocking you for my own pleasure at this point. GamerGate is a hate group full of dumb woman-hating liars, and you are therefore also a dumb woman-hating liar.

            I hope that helps!

          • Pitchguest

            You’re mocking me for your own pleasure? For… what? Refusing to provide me evidence that you say I’m incapable of accepting? I can’t really be “incapable of accepting evidence” if you don’t give me any.

            And Gamergate is a hate group full of dumb woman-hating liars, even though hundreds of women support Gamergate and it’s done more to keep women in than out.

          • Mr Corrections

            No, I’m mocking you because you’re hilariously broken in the head.

            I hope that helps!

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            I know right… they’re REALLY stretching and grasping at straws here. Pretty soon they’re going to start claiming that gay men are misogynists, simply because they dislike or don’t prefer women. xD

          • ReallyNotThough

            nope.

            Every misogynist in history had a mother or daughter or sister who was the exception. Didn’t stop them from oppressing women.

          • Pitchguest

            Misogyny typically requires hating all women because they’re women, otherwise it wouldn’t be misogyny. You people aren’t very intelligent, are you?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, then I guess, say, Ted Cruz isn’t a misogynist, since he likes his wife.

            You’re not good with the real world, huh?

          • Pitchguest

            No, he’s not a misogynist. He’s a sexist. Sexist and misogynist is not the same thing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sure sure let’s all listen to the guys spending months attacking a woman for no reason split hairs on bigotry

          • Pitchguest

            By definition, they are literally not the same thing.

            Sexism is treating women differently because they’re women. Doesn’t imply hate, doesn’t imply dislike. Just according to them, men has certain roles assigned to them and women has certain roles assigned to them.

            Misogyny is the pathological hatred of all women.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “By definition, they are literally not the same thing.”

            Yes.

            “Misogyny is the pathological hatred of all women.”

            No.

          • Pitchguest

            Yes. It is. Seriously. I am not pulling your leg.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha nope.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            sexism
            [sek-siz-uh m]
            noun
            1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of gender roles.
            2. devaluation based on a person’s sex or gender, as inrestricted job opportunities, especially such discrimination directedagainst women.

            mi·sog·y·ny
            məˈsäjənē/
            noun
            1. dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.

            (Please, in the future, at least be educated about what you’re speaking about… otherwise it’s just blatant ignorance. There’s a huge difference between stereotyping and devaluing and contempt/prejudice/dislike… if you’re not aware of what those words mean either, be sure to look them up. Kind of hard to wave the SJW flag when you don’t… just saying. But then again, most SJWs tend to mislabel critique and discussion as harassment… so yeah, no big surprise either I guess.)

          • Mr Corrections

            YEAH YOU GUYS, LET’S BE SURE TO LABEL THESE DUMBASS BIGOTS PROPERLY, OR THEIR FEE-FEES MIGHT GET HURT

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            No “fee-fees” hurt here… but thank you for again letting the readers see your true blatant, and *rather* bold if I might add, ignorance… that way they can better determine which “side” of the GG/anti-GG coin has the maturity and intelligence… when it comes to making a decision of where they stand… eve though neutral is perfectly fine as well. ^_^

            (Btw, since you’re typing in all caps… my apologies for apparently and obviously damaging and scathing your “fee-fees”. Best of luck getting over it and growing a pair.)

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are reduced to playing word-games in a vain attempt to pretend you aren’t nakedly bigoted. It will never work, obviously, but it’s excruciatingly embarrassing to watch.

          • ReallyNotThough

            huh it’s almost like your definition proves my point

          • ReallyNotThough

            If you only like “the good ones” that is not a shield against people noticing you’re bigots.

          • Smazeli

            Because I can cite and prove my claims? Because I rely on evidence rather than a cozy internal narrative.

          • Mr Corrections

            Weird, that’s the exact opposite of the objective truth. It’s almost like you’re some kind of idiot conspiracy theorist!

    • calbeck357

      So, you’re saying he just repeated what he’d already put into the ZoePost, nothing of which actually doxxed or harmed Quinn in any way except in terms of outing her abusive behavior.

      Thanks for clearing that up!

      • Mr Corrections

        It must be so gross and lonely being you, never knowing the loving touch of another human. Still, at least you deserve that fate.

        • Live the dream

          I thought it was a bad thing to judge someone on the number of people they have had sex with. So I have to ask why are you doing it?

          Is it right or not to judge someone on the number of people they have had sex with?

          • Mr Corrections

            When did I mention sex, you dumbass cartoon?

          • Live the dream

            are you saying he has had sex but not having loving touches?

            Is it common to have sex and not having the loving touch of another human?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m saying you should go back to jerking off to badly-drawn MLP porn, since you are obviously outclassed here.

            I hope that helps!

          • Live the dream

            This shaming of people because of their sex lives or interests is terrible. I don’t like it when people d othat to women. But i also don’t like it in a general sense as well seeing as i believe both men and women deserve to be treated as equals. Could you stop shaming people about their sex lives or interests? I think that sort of thing is horrible don’t you agree?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re ashamed to be a brony. Still not my problem.

            I hope that helps!

          • Live the dream

            Im not a brony i just think shaming people for their interests or their lifestyles is not a productive thing to do. I don’t like people who shame zoe for that and i don’t like say the shaming of autistic people just because they find social things difficult. I think people with mental illness should be treated with dignity. Wasn’t that the whole point of depression quest? To let people who haven’t experienced depression to understand what is happening to improve empathy.

            Is the goal of depression quest not this at all? I thought the idea of depression quest was good.

          • EpicFails

            Dude you have spent much of your time here mocking and shaming ZQ, Digging up every detail you could find and posting it with glee. Now you are worried about shaming people?

          • Live the dream

            Yes the shaming of people who are abused and wish to tell their story is wrong. Also trust me we are not publishing every detail.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Again… well said. It blows my mind that anti-GGers are here calling GGers bigoted, shaming, horrible, bullies, etc… when in this sub-thread alone, seems there’s tons of bigotry, bullying, dismissiveness, hatefulness, etc coming from the anti-GG side of the coin. o_O

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh I get it – it’s Opposite Day!

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh so far the GG are the ones calling people fat whores and lying to justify the ongoing abuse of a woman, maybe deal with that

          • Mr Corrections

            Embrace your plushie lifestyle, shitbro.

          • JenkPac Shakur

            The only “loving touch” a cuck like you has ever experienced is by your own hand.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK loserbro

          • NastyNinja

            Hey, now, stinky puss. Just because you’ve ran out of douche for your huge gaping vagina doesn’t mean you have to take it out on others.

          • ReallyNotThough

            it must be hard being a bullied 12-year-old who actually deserves it

          • NastyNinja

            Pedophile alert. You trollin’ for young boyz? Try someone else plz.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Before GG, I would never have thought it was possible for people to be so dumb that they couldn’t troll disqus. How wrong I was.

          • NastyNinja

            Aren’t you used to being wrong by now?

          • ReallyNotThough

            seriously how are you bad at being a troll, that’s like defying a law of physics

          • NastyNinja

            The size of your labia defies the laws of physics.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ya you’re doing a great job not obviously being a 12 year old with severe sexual inadequacy issues

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh look, it’s this dumbass homophobe again.

          • NastyNinja

            Just because I talk shit to homos like you doesn’t make me a homophobe.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes it does. Also, psychologists have recently determined that 100% of homophobia is motivated by repressed homosexuality.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            Don’t get your hopes up.

          • Mr Corrections

            Embrace the fact that you are gay, dude. It’s the only way that you can move on from being the shitty little fucker that you are right now.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            I will not give in to peer pressure. Go be gay by yourself. Change your name to solo homo.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s OK to be gay, although obviously not according to GamerGate.

          • NastyNinja

            I wasn’t aware of a gamergate anti homosexual campaign but I guess if trashing feminists equals hating all women, it’s not far fetched that you believe trashing morons like you would be equal to homophobia.

          • Mr Corrections

            OK, I’ll add your terrified homophobic posturing to the enormous list of things that you aren’t aware of.

          • NastyNinja

            “Posturing”. What a drama queen. Exaggerating like that is such a bottom bitch thing to do, girlfriend *finger snap*

          • Mr Corrections

            As I said before, it is has been reliably determined that all homophobes, such as you, are actually repressed homosexuals. The only thing that’s stopping you from coming out to yourself is your fear. Learn to let it go, and admit what is so very obvious to everyone else here.

          • NastyNinja

            Sigh. Stop with the wishful thinking. Put your dildos away, pull the gag ball out of your mouth, and remove your butt plug. You’re barkin’ up the wrong tree.

          • Mr Corrections

            It must be so weird, being in denial of such a large part of yourself. Still, at least it explains why you have issues with women.

          • NastyNinja

            Keep your internal monologue to yourself plz. It’s making everyone uncomfortable.

          • Mr Corrections

            This really is the best you can do, isn’t it? “I know you are but what am I?” Really?

            I keep setting the bar of my expectations lower and lower, but damn if you don’t manage to crack your forehead open on it every time.

          • NastyNinja

            Better than repeating the same insult over and over and just rewording it.

          • Mr Corrections

            No it isn’t.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            Is that your special ed sign off, lol?

            I hope that helps! durrr hurrrr!

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s a special code phrase that only morons react to.

            I hope that helps!

          • JenkPac Shakur

            lol its funny how homosexuality suddenly becomes a “bad” thing when you hypocritical hipster/commie cucks feel the need to insult an ideological opponent. Try to maintain some ideological consistency cuck boy. Being a homo is either a good or a bad thing. Stick with one narrative at a time please.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you are functionally illiterate, or otherwise challenged, but I never said that homosexuality was in any way bad. I am trying to help one of you sad sacks of shit come to terms with his sexuality, which science has now established to be gay. If I can help even one fuckwit like you become a better person, then I am doing my job!

            I hope that helps!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh look, another openly bigoted Gamergater showing us all their true face.

            Now where’s #notyourshield and their “harassment patrol” telling this guy to put a sock in it and not sully their ethical image?

          • NastyNinja

            Psssst, hey puss pad, I can say whatever the fuck I want. Gamergate has already won. Sites have changed their ethics policies (even kotaku and polygon!) and are disclosing conflicts of interest. And we grow larger every day. Feminism is also on the decline. Everyone sees your hypocrisy. Suck it :)

          • Michael Lindsay

            I can say whatever the fuck I want

            Shame that’s nothing intelligible or worthwhile isn’t it?

          • NastyNinja

            hurrrrr

          • Mr Corrections

            “Feminism is also on the decline”.

            But wait, isn’t it all about Ethics in Journalism?!?

          • NastyNinja

            I told you, r tard, ethics is happening. Feminism is next :)

          • Mr Corrections

            Thank God someone’s finally making a stand for open bigotry! You brave heroes of misogyny and racism need some kind of uniform – maybe something simple but distinctive, like a brown shirt.

          • NastyNinja
          • Mr Corrections

            I was saying you’re a shitty bigot. You still are. Do you need any further help with this concept?

            PS: Everything she said there was 100% correct; GamerGate is an excellent example of it.

          • NastyNinja

            Hypocritical mo fo. I wouldn’t expect any less :)
            Another couple quotes from one of your heroes.

            P.S. Everything she said is not correct. Not even that tweet, given the fact that there HAVE been female mass murderes 😉

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t know or care who that is; it’s weird that you think that is one of my heroes. I guess you are even dumber than I thought.

            The solution to the completely non-existent problem of misandry is not rape threats by basement dwellers, btw.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            That is jonathan mctintosh. He writes anita’s bullshit. You should know that if you are a fan. But I forgot, you like to argue without knowing the facts. Try to do a little bit more reading.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m not a fan of any of the people you are talking about; I barely know who Anita is. The fact that you think that anyone who disagrees with the pitiful scraps of opinion that other people have fed you must be in cahoots would speak very poorly of your intellect, if you hadn’t already so strikingly established that you are the dumbest person here by a country mile.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            “Everything she said there was 100% correct; GamerGate is an excellent example of it.” – you

            So
            which is it? Do you or do you not know anything about what is going on?
            If you don’t know anything….why are you acting like some sort of
            authority? LOL. You are such a joke. I think it’s clear who the real
            troll is……spoiler alert….it’s you. Maybe go comment on something
            that you know about.

            I hope that helps!

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you cannot understand words; it must be very embarrassing.

            Not as embarrassing as failing the intelligence test that is my sig, though.

            I hope that helps!

          • NastyNinja

            GG, no re 😉

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

          • JenkPac Shakur

            OK Tumblrhotrannybro.

          • Mr Corrections

            Ah, more homophobia from the “ethics in journalism” people. What a surprise!

          • JenkPac Shakur

            You have the gall to say this while your side is well known to hypocritically using the disgusting gay lifestyle choice as an accusatory insult against your ideological opponents? What a joke you are cuck boy. Your side can never keep it’s narratives straight…much less it’s pained attempts at humour.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yeah, I don’t really give the tiniest fuck what an open racist thinks.

            I hope that helps!

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Same here. You are racist against and hate your own white race so I could give a fuck what you think you Communist piece of shit. Yet telling you off is cathartic somehow. 😉

          • Mr Corrections

            OK

            I’m sure you think that you’re achieving something or other

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Calling a cuck is never a wasted effort, cuck. Neither is calling a communist piece of shit a communist piece of shit, you communist piece of shit. Hey, I’m considerate in that I never want you to forget what you are!

          • Mr Corrections

            Hahahaha you are such a fucking loser

          • JenkPac Shakur

            LOL is that the mantra you repeat every day as you gaze into the mirror? Its sooo appropriate for you lmfao ahahahhahahahhaha!!!

          • Mr Corrections

            Hahahaha you are such a fucking loser

          • ReallyNotThough

            i can;t even imagine the depths of sadness that would lead a grown man to use the word cuck in a sentence

          • JenkPac Shakur

            How do you know I’m a grown man and not a teenager or some degenerate tumblrette like yourself having a bit of fun at my supposed allies expense out of a sick sense of humour? I mean for all you know I could be a surgically mutilated tranny whose had its penis and testicles removed just like you. How would you know???

          • ReallyNotThough

            dig, dig, dig that hole

          • JenkPac Shakur

            Uhhh I’m not about to take part in your disgusting homosexual lifestyle if thats what you’re hoping for cuck? Now go put your pants back on and step the fuck away from me at once!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey look, a Gamergater who’s sock has ditched the whole we actually give a crap about humanity thing.
            Now where are all the #notyoursheilder’s and Gamergaters claiming that they are the ethical ones who totally dislike racism and sexism calling this guy to task?

          • JenkPac Shakur

            This isn’t a sock. I openly mock Jews, you SJW cucks and Jew’s black pets using this identity which I’ve used since around 2009. So there’s a little history lesson for you cuck. I’ve only come to support GamerGate because its a badly needed and very long overdue movement. America has long needed something, anything to push against Cultural Marxism and if GamerGate is the only thing then so be it. I’ll run with it and help them in any way that I can to expose you cucks as the America hating cancer that you are. You’re all simply useful idiots of the Jews and are too arrogant to admit it or too brainwashed to know it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I don’t like it when people d othat to women.”

            Yet you joined a movement based on exactly that, that supports Milo, who does exactly that to other women.

            Interesting.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Well said… kind of ironic how “social justice” works… seems the new-age social-justice is only an excuse for the “cool kids clique” to protect their own. It’s a capitol offense when anybody picks on Ms. Quinn for her sex-life (even though that wasn’t even the focus when it came to GamerGate, more the ethical boundaries it was crossing between coverage, journalism, and awards)… yet, the anti-GG side defends her by attacking others sex lives. Interesting how that works… believe most would refer to it as hypocrisy. You know the whole pot calling the kettle black and all that. ^_^

          • ReallyNotThough

            “more the ethical boundaries it was crossing between coverage, journalism, and awards”

            Since those were disproven, then you admit GG was founded on pointless and harmful lies, right?

        • SmithFeet34

          Zoe Quinn isn’t going to have sex with you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Really having trouble with the whole “human decency” concept, huh

          • Mr Corrections

            Nobody is going to have sex with you.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You must be annoyed that she wont boink you given all the time you Gamergaters spend on her.

            Seriously, go talk to another woman. Respectfully and don’t let on that you’re a Gamergate fan.

      • ReallyNotThough

        Huh turns out telling people who openly want to drive a woman into suicide more about her does indeed lead to harm.

        It’s almost like Eron could have predicted this.

        • calbeck357

          Aaaaand there goes the conspiracy-nut drivel. Thanks, but I’ve heard the same from 9/11 Truthers claiming it was all an inside job. When you try to connect dots without string, you’re just fooling yourself.

          • ReallyNotThough

            What conspiracy? You know people on burgersandfries openly said they wanted to drive Quinn to suicide, right?

            And Eron still kept feeding them details about her life and congratulating them.

            This is all very easy to look up.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s weird how you see the world so perfectly backwards.

    • SmithFeet34

      Just a reminder that you’re doing this for free :)

      • ReallyNotThough

        I love how GG finds human decency for decency’s sake to be a confusing and alien concept.

  • Ty

    >The first thing Eron Gjoni said after sitting down across from me at Veggie Galaxy in December was that he would probably violate his gag order if he talked to me. Then he talked for the next three hours

    about Donkey Kong Country, thus succeeding in avoiding violating his order

    • ReallyNotThough

      “Pretty sure the whole reason he’s involved in GG is to reign them in and discourage harassment, ”

      hahaha yeah sure that’s why he went on burgersandfries to tell the people threatening and harassing her more information about her life and hints that she’s part of a broad consipiracy.

      Barnum drastically underestimated the birth rate for suckers.

    • Mr Corrections

      This is some dumb fucking nonsense, right here.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Anyone who gives up their job to engage in “internet warfare”-yeah probably obsessed.
      Posts his screed in multiple locations, gets it deleted by the mods. Runs to livejournal. Probably obsessed.
      Still doing interviews over the whole thing and crying foul at the interviewer when he doesn’t come out smelling of roses-this after he did exactly the same thing with Vice. Yeah, looks like he’s obsessed.

  • Snoopy

    MORE TRUTH YOU CAN’T HANDLE – #GGinDC evacuated due to bomb threat.

    After Arthur Chu (prominent Anti_GG agitator) riled up some of his followers to disturb Gamergate from having a meeting in DC, and said on Twitter, “Whatever, it’s ending tonight with them meeting up there”, bomb threats were made to the city authorities in explicit reference to the #GGinDC meetup, so people were temporarily evacuated. Now Arthur Chu is hysterically deleting all traces of his involvement in this crime on Twitter.

    Stay tuned with #GGinDC and #ItEndsHere

    • Mr Corrections

      OK, thanks for keeping us up to date with your bullshit persecution complex!

    • ReallyNotThough

      I can’t wait to hear how Sarkeesian, Microsoft, and Common Core are responsible.

    • Michael Lindsay

      More distracting from the article. It makes GG look bad. Look. Look over there. Something shiny.

    • SmithFeet34

      ROFL, this has been a horrible week for anti-GG, huh? Could things get any worse?

      • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

        Want a good one? Google search Zoe Quinn doxxing wikipedia mods. It’s one that completely slipped my radar… guess it happened at the butt-end of last year. I searched farther and found the uncensored version of the wikipedia doxxing (they try to list the peoples info like some twisted “informative encyclopedia read”)… it lists jobs/positions, names, locations (towns, counties, states), ages, even alludes to one of the people being a minor in high-school, and where the high-school is located. -_-

        • ReallyNotThough

          if you weren’t in a harassment campaign you wouldn’t have to work so hard to figure out why she deserved it, just something to think about

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Not in a harassment campaign… but at least you admit that “she deserved it“… your own words. xD

            w00t-w00t… glad to see you’ve finally come around.

            (Otherwise your reading comprehension and/or morals are really screwed… doxxing is wrong, no matter who’s doing it to whom. No amount of justification excuses it… point being that QUINN DOXXED SEVERAL OTHERS, then cries and complains professional-victimhood that everybody else is always and forever attempting to doxx her. Perhaps you missed that saying about two wrongs don’t make a right? Hrm?)

          • ReallyNotThough

            “but at least you admit that “she deserved it”… you”

            No, I didn’t. Why is it that all GG can only read at a 3rd grade level?

            ” No amount of justification excuses it.”

            Oh cool so GG’s attempts to dox her entire family right now are wrong then, good to know.

            “Also find it funny you still think we’re the harassment campaign when your own camp cleared out a Washington DC restaurant and surrounding areas just the other day with a bomb-threat, trying to impede our freedom to assemble.”

            Since your teachers failed to teach you basic logic, let’s unpack just how nonsensical this is.

            Something bad happening to you does not disprove “we’re the harassment campaign,” in the same way that someone robbing a Walmart doesn’t somehow make Walmart ethical.

            “your camp”

            My camp is a concept invented on /pol to blame all progressive ideas on a shadowy army of “SJWs.”

            It doesn’t exist. Unlike GG, I don’t claim to be part of a movement that has accomplishments.

            “Nothing quite like punching somebody square in the face”

            I haven’t done anything to you but ask you to stop lying. I’m sorry that you feel this is an attack, but it’ll happen more and more as you lie to people in your adult life.

      • ReallyNotThough

        You know that the joy you feel that someone got a bomb threat isn’t healthy, right?

    • Michael Lindsay

      Just wanted to add. Whoever did this is an asshole, no doubt about it. It’s an act of terrorism regardless of who the targets are and nobody should have to go through it.

      But that doesn’t make Gamergate good and it doesn’t detract from the ugly role they played in the subject of this article.

      • Snoopy

        While a bomb threat (one that authorities took serious enough to temporarily evacuate people) tells you nothing about GG, it does tell you something about the character of some of its most prolific opponents, and why it’s a real clever choice to stay neutral in this game.

        • Mr Corrections

          I’d say it’s a 50-50 chance that you losers called that hoax (if it even happened) in yourselves, since you inhabit a childish world of pretence and imaginary persecution.

          Normally I wouldn’t attempt to second-guess who’d done such a thing, but since you people love to claim that your victims are faking the threats you send them, I’d say this is reasonable enough.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I for one aren’t going to decide what’s happened in a criminal case when the facts aren’t all in yet. Could someone hate gamergate enough to do this? Yes and I’ll leave “false flag” crap to the Gamergaters.
            What is clear however is that Gamergaters are blaming their critics like the GamerGhazi subreddit and Arthur Chu despite their being nothing substantial to connect them to the incident. Well known Gamergater, er, personality Slade Villena has posted a police report trying to do this to GG critics without a smidgen of evidence to back up his claims (https://archive.is/gWKPU). TL;DR Just because bad things happen to Gamergaters doesn’t make them good people, and it doesn’t make them right.

          • Snoopy

            Wrong. Chu tried to get #GGinDC booted from the venue shortly before, his email to the bar has been published today.

            Here comes the kicker: Only a VERY small number of ppl responded positively to his attempt to rile up the masses, and even most anti-GGs said this was overly stupid and they wouldn’t support it or spread the call, so the number of potential suspects (people who even took notice) is infact very very small, and they all circle around Arthur Chu.

            A little readup:
            https://techraptor.net/content/gamergate-meet-up-disrupted-by-bomb-threat

          • Michael Lindsay

            Trying to get #GGinDC booted from the venue =/= threatening to blow them to smithereens. Someone evidently did threaten this, that person is a scumbag. There is nothing to suggest that that person was Chu or that Chu was in league with them.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Uhhh, you do realize that not long before the bomb threat… Chu tweeted that “it ends tonight with their meet up” (paraphrased) right? Now, what could that possibly have meant? Hrm?

            People have been convicted for much less.

            http://thegg.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/arthur-chu-it-ends-tonight.jpg

          • ReallyNotThough

            huh itat’s almost like evidence if we forget that evidence and objective reality actually exist

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yep-and that doesn’t imply a bomb threat. It could have meant a bunch of stuff. But there’s no evidence that it referred to a bomb threat.

          • Snoopy

            Yea, but he has earnestly expressed the desire to kill GGers before, so.. it’s not like a bomb threat would be out of character.

            If there’s one thing that has always amazed me about the high profile aGGros, is that they all have, I believe without a single exception, a history of dangerous mental illness, crimes, drug addiction, tax evasion, or sexual deviancy. To my knowledge, there hasn’t been a single aGGro who hasn’t fallen in at least one of these categories after having been screened, and only the lord knows why.

            Is it the #SocJus that makes people go cray cray, or are crazy people more attracted to #SocJus than normal people? Whatever the answer is, it’s pretty spooky how many skeletons these people got in their closets.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What you think is or isn’t out of character isn’t evidence of wrongdoing. That’s why reporters don’t declare someone guilty before the facts are in no matter what their supposed rep. It’s called “ethics in journalism”.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Oh but that sure doesn’t stop you from condemning GG on just hearsay and libel. Stop and think about something… threats, harassment, stalking, etc are all serious offenses, just as much online as in real-life these days, perhaps even more so… yet for at least EIGHT MONTHS Quinn, Sarkeesian, Wu, and others have been claiming/allegating that such things are CONSTANTLY being done towards them by GamerGate. Yet, STILL to this day, not ONE official charge has come against anybody even remotely close to nor affiliated with GamerGate.

            Yet, it still doesn’t stop you of condemning GamerGate as a whole of being guilty even without any actual criminal or civil case.

            Pot calling black kettle… come in kettle!

          • ReallyNotThough

            “not ONE official charge has come against anybody even remotely close to nor affiliated with GamerGate.”

            You know that real ethics movements don’t need to use “at least we’ve avoided arrest” as a talking point, right?

          • Michael Lindsay

            I don’t condemn GG on the basis of hearsay and libel, I condemn them on the basis of the consistant and documented reports of their victims. I condemn them on the basis of their manipulative attempts to silence journalists they don’t like. I condemn them on their proven history of dishonesty and viciousness. The chat logs exist. The archives of the 8chan GG pages calling for doxxing and spreading racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic hatred exist. Archives of GG “operations” suggesting they make multiple sock accounts to hide their purpose and numbers exist. That’s plenty to condemn them.

          • Snoopy

            It’s brave putting a number next to your delusions.

          • Mr Corrections

            Courage is not something that GamerGaters are equipped to understand, nor are they in any position to comment on it.

            I hope that helps!

          • Snoopy

            GGers are not the ones begging for trigger warnings and Patreon welfare dollars. And #SJW still can’t fathom why we laugh about them *SIGH*

          • Mr Corrections

            “GGers are not the ones begging for trigger warnings and Patreon welfare dollars”

            Not only do neither of those things have anything to do with “ethics in journalism”, but GamerGate is sending rape and death threats, which is far, far worse than those imaginary crimes. There is no shame or blame in being on welfare, either, while we’re here, you privileged snob.

            Lastly, your repeated use of “SJW” shows off what GamerGate really is: just another group of MRA losers. Fuck the lot of you, you are garbage.

            I hope that helps!

          • Snoopy

            Your proposition answers itself: Only #SJW think of themselves so highly that they flatout brush off other people as “garbage”. You folks are poutraging misanthropes, that’s the simple truth.

          • ReallyNotThough

            A GG called me subhuman on this very thread.

            Stop externalizing all of GG’s harassment onto an Other invented by /pol/.

          • Mr Corrections

            I don’t care what really stupid people think.

            I hope that helps!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Right. You only get triggered when someone says “Gamers are Dead” and ask for welfare because something called “FleetComm”.
            When is that coming out BTW?

          • Pitchguest

            Triggered? No, no one was triggered. But we did think it was odd that a dozen articles were written on the same day, some within minutes of eachother, stating exactly the same thing. We had no idea it was colluded.

          • Michael Lindsay

            No, no one was triggered.

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            You were saying?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Eron’s legal fund is at 13 grand.

          • http://tinyurl.com/y8ufsnp ZombieTech

            Says the person still being a loudmouth while hiding behind a computer-screen and a screen-name, LOL!

          • hams

            Wait, what does that make you then?

          • Mr Corrections

            Why do you keep up-voting your own posts? They’re not only stupid, but you’ll go blind.

            Anyway, GamerGaters are invariably cowards – that is a science fact.

            I hope that helps!

        • Michael Lindsay

          And yet you didn’t come to that conclusion about Gamergate when a Gamergate supporter threatened a massacre at Anita Sarkeesian’s talk.

          Yeah-Sarkeesian is on the record as saying one of the threats specifically mentioned Gamergate.

          • kelleth

            Yes you could tell he was gamegate by his official gamergate t-shirt and passport and branded tattoo that each supporter need to have to use a tag on twitter.

          • Mr Corrections

            Or by comparing his rhetoric to that spouted by you dipshits.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Of course it’s never a gamergater when one of them is caught doing something wrong. That’s how gamergate works!

          • kelleth

            If he is prove it, that’s all whats needed, no arguments just facts

          • Michael Lindsay

            And there’s the rub. With an anon internet mob with no entry requirements who’s hubs exist on anonymous 8chan and pseudonymous Reddit it’s all to easy for a Gamergater to cover their tracks, and to cry foul and blame it on SJWs, GNAA or whatever the acronym bogymen of the week is today whenever someone claiming allegiance to Gamergate on one of these hubs is caught doing something foul.

          • Pitchguest

            You do realise that with that logic, feminism is also an “internet mob with no entry requirements”? Think before you write, you dumb fuck.

          • ginmar

            That’s so stupid it must hurt. Are the KKK and the NAACP the same? Hint: you’re not the latter.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Except feminism predates the internet you exceedingly smart person.
            As other exceedingly smart people learn in school somewhere between grades five and eight.

          • Pitchguest

            I’m sorry, was there an “entry requirement” to become a feminist before the dawning of the internet? Was there one after? Is there one? Aren’t many feminists hubs also anonymous where you can’t rightly tell who’s who? I’m fairly certain I’ve also read many times where feminists have claimed that Valerie Solanas and Andrea Dworkin weren’t really feminists. Much like how “ReallyNotThough”, and perhaps you, too, claim that Christina Hoff Sommers isn’t really a feminist.

            Now I’m not sure if you’re aware but sites like Something Awful have admitted to false-flag campaigns against the Gamergate hashtag and they’ve used troll tactics just to rile people up. But here’s the thing. The “threats” that Gamergate have been accused of is the massacre threat against Anita for one of her talks, the threats against Anita from “Kevin Dobson”, the threats against Brianna Wu and the threats against Zoe Quinn. What do they all have in common? None of them mention Gamergate. At all. But even though no evidence exists, people have decided to blame Gamergate anyway because, hey, you can’t prove it WASN’T Gamergate.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I’m sorry, was there an “entry requirement” to become a feminist before the dawning of the internet?”

            Yes. You have to support women’s rights. If you, say, support a hate campaign aimed at de facto legalization of domestic violence, as CHS does, you also would not have been considered a feminist in the 70s.

            I honestly can’t fathom how any of this is difficult for you to understand.

          • Pitchguest

            But she does support women’s rights. She’s supported women’s rights for 40 years. And frankly, I’m tired of your bullshit. When did she support a hate campaign to legalise domestic violence? You can’t fathom how any of this is difficult for me to understand when you won’t even provide a smidgeon of evidence to support your case? I want proof. Proof, or shut the fuck up.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, yet, she hasn’t done anything in support of them.

            “When did she support a hate campaign to legalise domestic violence?”

            She has allowed AVfM to run her work and has repeatedly used them in support of her points, as well as stating repeatedly that they are an important activist group.

            AVFM wants to repeal all domestic violence legislation, and believers that men should nullify all rape trials.

          • Pitchguest

            Haha! This is ridiculous. She was a feminist before you were even born. This has got to be one of the stupidest conversations I’ve ever had.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “She was a feminist before you were even born.”

            Nope, that would require supporting women’s rights at some point.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Has it occurred to you that if CHS had done anything at all to support women’s rights, you would be able to provide a single example of what that is?

          • ReallyNotThough

            You get the irony of shrilly demanding proof that a hate group is a hate group, when you want me to believe that a far-right anti-feminist has supported women’s rights without a shred of proof, right?

          • Pitchguest

            Shrilly demanding proof? I’ve been asking politely for proof this entire time and you’ve deflected, ignored or given petty insults. Now I want you to provide the proof that you keep wanting to wave in my face or shut up.

            You made the positive claim therefore the burden of proof is on you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1. Google AVfM and any of the claims I’ve made about them that you doubt.

            2. Search for “avfm” on CHS’ timeline.

            Why is it hard for GG to actually look at what they support?

          • Michael Lindsay

            The best part is when they insist that they aren’t a hate group while flinging the bitterest, vilest insults they can dig out of their limited vocabulary.

          • Pitchguest

            We fling the “bitterest, vilest insults” while we’re being accused of being “worse than ISIS.” Insults when we’re being accused of being woman-haters when hundreds of women support Gamergate who’ve themselves been accused of having “internalised misogyny.”

          • Michael Lindsay

            You don’t want to be accused of being part of a terrorist movement. Easy. Disown Gamergate.
            Not hard.

          • Pitchguest

            Feminists wrote the SCUM Manifesto and enacted the movement “Kill all men.” You don’t want to be accused of being a part of this? Disown feminism.

          • Michael Lindsay

            LOL sorry but a serial sealion has absolutely no grounds telling anyone else to STFU.
            The British have an adorable term for sealioners that predates the internet. It’s “gobshite”.

          • Pitchguest

            Mm, yes. “Sea-lion.” That brilliant term that you picked up for yourselves. I just think it’s great that the best thing you could think of to avoid answering questions was to introduce something so absurd it came from a webcomic depicting an actual sea-lion.

            Only the rhetoric falls apart when you replace it with anything else except for sea-lions. Jews, for instance. Or women. Black people. Now the comic is suddenly horribly anti-semitic, sexist or racist. “Sea-lion.” Jesus fucking Christ.

          • Michael Lindsay

            SJWs, LWs and Based. Surely a Gamergater isn’t all hot under the collar because people are finding new words for things?
            All right, you’re upset-you’re gobshiteing. Happy?

          • Pitchguest

            Are SJWs, LWs and Based words that are used specifically to avoid answering questions? They’re not? Well then, I believe your analogy needs a little work.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well the first means people who disagree with us, the next means people we’re stalking and the last one means stalker of note.
            So no-I’d say they aren’t specifically there to avoid answering questions. Merely terms used by people who ask questions not to engage in sincere dialogue but to hound anyone who disagrees with their BS ideology.

          • Pitchguest

            Based means “stalker of note”? What?

            Okay. Enough. You’re an idiot.

          • Michael Lindsay

            No worries. Have fun signal boosting the cause associated with being Gonj’s stalker army courtesy of this article in the publics mind. Glad I’m not you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still can’t find any details on how CHS actually supports women’s rights, huh.

          • ginmar

            Um, Hoff-Somers is in the pay of a conservative think tank, and she’s a longtime rapist apologist. So for GGers who like to threaten rape she’s the perfect figurehead.

          • Pitchguest

            She’s making content for a conservative think tank. That doesn’t make her a conservative. She’s been a registered Democrat all her life and she voted for Obama. Twice.

            If you halfwits have any proof of GGers threatening rape, give it. If not, shut up. It’s tiresome.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And right wing Democrats don’t exist. Well that’s news.

          • Pitchguest

            Right. Well, considering that Democrats are usually opposed to conservative ideals and she says herself she’s left of center, it’s funny how what she says doesn’t really matter if they don’t think her words have any worth. Come to think of it, you’re a white man, aren’t you? Going by your South Park-esque avatar, I’m guessing as much. Isn’t it ironic that a white man thinks he has the right to claim when a woman is or isn’t a feminist?

          • Michael Lindsay

            “She’s a Democrat” does not mean “she’s left wing” or even “she’s a feminist”. It makes her a member of the Democratic party which has plenty of right wing members as well as centrist and left wing ones.

          • Pitchguest

            And you get to decide who is and isn’t a feminist?

            You? Michael Lindsay? White man extraordinaire?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Is it consistent with feminism? Probably a feminist.

            Are you any more fit than me to judge, probably less as you don’t seem to know what feminism means. That’s not due to your gender or ethnicity, it’s your cognitive bias and lack of reading comprehension.

          • Pitchguest

            What makes you think I’m saying I’m more fit to judge what makes a feminist and what doesn’t? On the contrary, I’m saying neither you nor I have any claim on what makes a feminist and what doesn’t. There is no “entry requirement.” There is no feminist manifesto. There is no creed that you must follow, no dogma. Only that you care about women’s rights. That is the main goal of feminism.

            In that regard, every feminist – even people like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas – qualifies, because they cared about women’s rights. Even though they didn’t care about anyone else, and Andrea Dworkin was extremely sex negative and repeatedly had negative things to say about sex workers. Also Valerie Solanas created the SCUM Manifesto as you well know. But they were still feminists. Because they cared about women’s rights, in their own way. So unless you or anyone else decides to create a feminist rulebook or a feminist’s “code” where this and that defines a feminist and if you should deviate from that then you’re not a real feminist, you don’t have the right to say someone isn’t a feminist (and neither do I).

          • ReallyNotThough

            “In that regard, every feminist – even people like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanas – qualifies, because they cared about women’s rights.”

            I’d agree with this.

            However, CHS, by virtue of exclusively wanting to roll back women’s rights, is not a feminist.

            See the salient difference?

          • Pitchguest

            First you say she supports the return of domestic violence and now you say she wants to “roll back women’s rights”? Do you actually believe your own bullshit you’re spewing?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes, because supporting the decriminalization of domestic violence would indeed roll back women’s rights.

            “Do you actually believe your own bullshit you’re spewing?”

            Yes, she does in fact support AVfM. Do you actually not know this?

          • Michael Lindsay

            See that’s where the cartoon version of your critics in your head screws with your ability to understand them. Being a progressive does not mean you instantly swoon when someone who is not a White Anglo Saxon Protestant man speaks and treats anything that flies from their trap as holy writ.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Easy. The people harassing critics of Gamergate-like Quinn one of the subjects of this article were acting within the overall goals of Gamergate, inconsistent and incoherent as they are. It’s not a stretch to call them Gamergaters. Someone acting within the overall goals of feminism, of achieving equal political, social and cultural rights for women can safely be called a feminist. Your favourite “feminist”-Sommers can safely not be called a feminist because of her actions against victims of campus rape-actions that harm the goals of achieving equal rights of women to safety. Not hard.
            Yeah yeah, I know. If it’s bad it’s Something Awful, or GNAA-or SJWs, somebody-anybody else really.

          • Pitchguest

            What do you mean, “it’s not a stretch to call them Gamergaters”? They either are or they aren’t. You can’t just assume these things out of wholecloth.

            She can safely not be called a feminist because YOU deem her not to be a feminist? You’re out of your fucking mind.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If it was true that feminism had no entry requirements, then CHS would be considered a feminist by someone other than anti-feminists.

            Turns out you actually have to support women’s rights.

          • Pitchguest

            CHS IS a feminist and she DOES support women’s rights.

            You’re not a very good troll, you know.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahahahahahahaha

            no.

            Look, I can say I’m Zeus, God of Thunder, but I’m not.

            If CHS was a feminist, she wouldn’t publish on anti-feminist hate siutes, link to and support anti-feminist hate groups, and have talking points that are exclusively cribbed from anti-feminist manifestos.

            If she supported women’s rights, she actually would have done so in a place that people can see.

            How is it even possible for you to be this gullible and still go through life? Like, how do you avoid buying products just because the salesperson claims you need them?

          • Pitchguest

            What? Is there a feminist manifesto I don’t know about where a feminist has to have a given view on something or they’re not considered feminists?

            As far as I know, feminism is about giving women a choice. A woman can choose to be this or they can choose to be that. A woman can choose to have this opinion or they can choose to have that opinion. Feminism isn’t, as far as I’m concerned, black and white dogma. Or are you saying that because Christina Hoff Sommers disagrees with what some feminists say then she’s not a feminist? And she’s not allowed to discuss with, as you say, “anti-feminists” or she won’t be considered a feminist anymore?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “What? Is there a feminist manifesto I don’t know about where a feminist has to have a given view on something or they’re not considered feminists?”

            No, but feminism is universally acknowledged as being for, rather than against, women’s rights. Supporting the decriminalization of domestic violence is not compatible with that.

            “A woman can choose to be this or they can choose to be that.”

            Yes. A woman can choose to be an anti-feminist. She can even choose to lie about being a feminist. I’m not saying she can’t. I’m saying only the most gullible losers in the world would believe her.

            “Feminism isn’t, as far as I’m concerned, black and white dogma.”

            Nope, there’s lots of gray. Supporting firebombing divorce courts to avenge women getting custody is not part of the gray though.

            CHS disagrees with what all feminists say. No feminists believe misogynist hate groups are activism.

            “discuss with”

            Have you considered that if you had a point, you wouldn’t need these rhetorical games?

            She doesn’t discuss with them. She supports them and pushes their talking points constantly.

            Yes, you can’t support anti-feminists and be a feminist. How is this at all difficult to grasp?

          • Michael Lindsay

            How about promoting equal rights for women.

            Someone that denies the frequency of rapes on campuses or their causes at the behest of their right wing corporate paymasters does not qualify.

          • Pitchguest

            She didn’t deny rapes on campuses. She questioned the percentage and brought contrary evidence to support her argument. That doesn’t mean that she’s right and the percentage is wrong, or that the percentage is right and she is wrong, only that both seem to indicate that there is some discrepancy and not a closed case as was previously stated.

            That’s all she did. She questioned the frequency of rapes on campuses. She didn’t say that rapes never occurred. And if you think that was “at the behest of their right wing corporate paymasters”, then you’re the conspiracy theorist. Not me.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What she does is pretend to analyse percentages with a clear goal of undermining claims about the frequency of rapes. Here’s a fine summary. (http://studentactivism.net/2014/12/07/yes-christina-hoff-sommers-is-a-rape-denialist/)

            She suggests that the CDC counts consensual “sex while inebriated” as rape — indefensible, if true — but she does so by selectively and tendentiously quoting from the questionnaire. In fact, that section of the questionnaire — read to all respondents, but never mentioned by Sommers — states specifically that the questions within it concern sexual contact that “happens when a person is unable to consent to it or stop it from happening because they were drunk, high, drugged, or passed out from alcohol, drugs, or medications.”
            Sommers knows this, but she deliberately excludes it from her writing and speaking on the topic in order to facilitate her misrepresentation of the CDC report.

            If you set out to undermine a case for making campuses safer because you’re employers desire this then you are actively working against the interests of a huge group of women!

          • ginmar

            People have repeatedly answered this question but you act like they haven’t so you can continue to act bewildered that your hateful Serena Joy—-who attacks women so conservative white men don’t have to—– isn’t fooling the very women she tries so badly to fuck over.

          • Pitchguest

            …Who the hell is Serena Joy?

          • Michael Lindsay

            CHS is a paid mouthpiece for the American Enterprise Institute who’s other main interest is denying climate change. She’s the Bjorn Lomborg of feminists.

          • Pitchguest

            In other words, you have no proof, but you’re going to blame Gamergate anyway. Top notch.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well there’s certainly a strong correlation between critics of Gamergate getting doxxed, if you add the 8chan Gamergate archives calling for critics of GG to get doxxed it’s not hard to put two and two together.

          • Snoopy

            Don’t be silly. READ the threat letter. That person had a gear to grind with AS, said “Feminism ruined my life” and stuff.. gg wasn’t even mentioned.

          • Michael Lindsay

            There was more than one threat regarding her appearance at that university. The one you are citing does not mention GG directly that’s true. Sarkeesian cited another that did.

          • Pitchguest

            More than one threat, huh? Could it be the one you’re referring to is the egg account with the name “Kevin Dobson”, who only made ten tweets to his name and all of them were directed at Anita Sarkeesian? That one?

            The one where it shows the last tweet was made 12 seconds after the screenshot was taken? So Anita wasn’t logged in, but she managed to take a screenshot of a person’s tweets 12 seconds after the latest one was made? Makes sense.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Ask Sarkeesian, she reported it. Guess she’s probably got Autoblocker so she’s not overly bugged by sealioning Gamergate scallywags though.

          • Pitchguest

            It worries me that you don’t actually seem to care about this. You don’t find it even a little suspicious? You don’t think that this is something that you should take more time to consider? No? You’re just going to listen and believe?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hmm, should we believe a woman who is publicy threatened daily on Twitter, with threats we can all see, that she gets threats, or should we believe the hate group founded on lies about a woman who stalk and dox victims constantly then defend and justify these actions at length?

            Truly a mystery for the ages.

          • Michael Lindsay

            No, my first reaction when someone says they were harassed isn’t to interrogate them and demand they prove they aren’t lying because I’m not an asshole. Heck, when a Gamergater raised this whole bomb threat thing I disagreed with another critic of Gamergate who said that Gamergate probably did it to themselves. You probably missed that bit though.

          • Pitchguest

            Right. Because it was a Gamergate supporter who threatened a massacre at Anita Sarkeesian’s talk.

            What’s that? The threat doesn’t mention anything about “gamers” or “gate”? It only mentions Marc Lepine and the author’s intense hate for feminists? Well then. It was also deemed not credible in the least by the police.

            Sarkeesian is on record saying one of the threats specifically mentioned Gamergate but she provides no evidence? How convenient.

          • Michael Lindsay

            There was more than one threat. Don’t post one to your petard, it’ll wind up becoming your albatross.

          • Pitchguest

            Really? Then, do you mind linking to that other threat? I’d really like to see it.

    • GP

      I’m sorry, where were your receipts for that?

      #ItEndsHere is a hash tag for a venereal disease or heart health awareness campaign, not your imagined persecution.

      • Snoopy

        Sorry, I was too much in a hurry. Chu’s threat read “It’s ending here” , not “It ends here”.
        And no, nothing imaginary about it. Police confirmed that the bomb threat wasn’t just posted to Twitter, but they received it per phone as well.

        • GP

          It’s fun cause you guys never take responsibility for your people but like to pretend there are writers organising massive coups against you. Real top notch grassy knoll stuff.

          • thanatos388

            Reporting people who make serious threats to the FBI doesn’t count? And how does outing trolls who say nothing on gamergate besides one cartoonish insult/threat on twitter have anything to do with an major Anti making a bomb threat? Something nobody involved with gamergate has done?

            And it wasn’t imaginary, GameJournoPros was a real thing, the logs were out we saw thing red handed planning the articles to make their friends look good and everyone else look bad. I don’t think they were trying to break ethical conduct, many aren’t actual journalists and probably didn’t think they were doing something wrong and still don’t but that doesn’t change what they were doing.

          • GP

            Receipts. All we want are receipts if you want us to purchase your wares, little one.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “GameJournoPros was a real thing,”

            Yes. You found out that mailing lists exists. Good work proving that we live after the year 1996.

            “we saw thing red handed planning the articles to make their friends look good and everyone else look bad.”

            No, that never happened. You just heard Milo say it and believed it because it felt good.

            “what they were doing”

            For real though, have you actually read “Gamers aren’t your audience?” It’s basically just saying that the jerks harassing Quinn no longer represent the market. That’s all.

          • thanatos388

            You didn’t see them talking about using the controversy as an excuse to give Quinn more publicity and telling the Escapist editor in chief to take the forums discussing gamergate down?

            http://yiannopoulos.net/2014/09/19/gamejournopros-zoe-quinn-email-dump/

            These conversations are real as said by the people who had them.

            http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/18/addressing-allegations-of-collusion-among-gaming-journalists/

            The gamers are dead articles were in response to the things happening to Zoe Quinn to get her more attention. Now she’s mildly popular. Good for her. Many people writing about it knew her personally and donate to her patreon. Thats wrong, plain and simple.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I did see them talking about the controversy.

            “as an excuse to give Quinn more publicity”

            I didn’t see this, largely as a result of how you made it up.

            They were talking about how it was really messed up to harass a woman based on lies, and whether it would violate harm avoidance standards to talk about it. That’s actually journalistic ethics in action.

            “gamers are dead”

            Did not actually happen. No-one said gamers are dead. No-one said playing games is bad. Your complete lack of reading comprehension is the only scandal here.

            “The gamers are dead articles were in response to the things happening to Zoe Quinn”

            Yes. They were saying that the people harassing Quinn do not represent gamers. That’s all.

            ” to get her more attention.”

            No, that’s the sociopathic spin of the world’s least ethical journalist, trying to pretend that condemning harassment is a bad thing.

            Also, you know that arstechnica article is explaining that collusion actually did not happen, right? Why would you post something that disproves your point?

          • thanatos388

            Did you not read the articles? They clearly state that gaming its dead. They also link to more articles about Zoe Quinn. They keep giving her attention, they talk about how she is getting more patreon supporters because of the incident where she hasn’t been harmed at all. They too wanted to reach out to her. You can even see other members talking about how that would be a bad idea. Its obvious that they are close to this person. But now the conversation has moved away from Quinn but journalists still keep dragging her into it and trying to block anyone who speaks negatively of her.

            The point was that he confirmed it was real. You previously said that Milo made up what GameJournoPros was doing. So I liked what they said and one of the members confirming what was being linked. It doesn’t matter that he doesn’t realize that its wrong to donate to people you give coverage too. It doesn’t matter anyway. Klepek, Kuchera, and Alexander now disclose such information when they talk abou the developers they personally know and support, so not only was gamergate right but they already got what they want.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” They clearly state that gaming its dead. ”

            They really, truly didn’t. Please indicate in which article they said that gamers are dead, or that playing games is bad.

            “They also link to more articles about Zoe Quinn.”

            No, they link to articles about the harassment of Zoe Quinn, since, you know, that’s what the news actually was about.

            “they talk about how she is getting more patreon supporters because of the incident”

            You understand that not just game journalists, but journalists in general, enjoy reporting facts, right?

            “she hasn’t been harmed at all”

            Stop lying and excusing cyberbullies.

            ” but journalists still keep dragging her into it”

            You understand that this has nothing to do with collusion, GamesJournoPros. or ethical breaches in general, right?

            ” trying to block anyone who speaks negatively of her.”

            How?

            “You previously said that Milo made up what GameJournoPros was doing.”

            Yes, he said they colluded to destroy gamers, you linked an article stating the exact opposite.

            “they already got what they want.”

            Then you’ll go away now, right?

          • thanatos388

            I meant they say gamers are dead.

            “You understand that not just game journalists, but journalists in general, enjoy reporting facts, right?”

            That wasn’t in an article that was in GameJournoPros. They are patreon supporters too saying well at least shes getting more support out of this.

            “Stop lying and excusing cyberbullies.”

            She blocks cyberbullies. And she hasn’t actually been harmed in any way. Thats not lying or excusing anything that the truth.

            “How?”

            Have you not heard of the massive erasing of comments on several websites and Kuchera telling the Escapist to delete any threads talking about the incident?

            “Yes, he said they colluded to destroy gamers, you linked an article stating the exact opposite.”

            No, he said they get together to influence public opinion and cross ethical lines without knowing it. Did you even read the article? The second article I linked to show that it was true since you said what Milo reported was going on in the mailing list was made up and I just believed it.

            “Then you’ll go away now, right?”

            Not if they keep making the same mistakes and reporting on only one side of every story,

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I meant they say gamers are dead.”

            Yes, but they do not say that, or anything related to it. Seriously, they don’t. That phrase was made up by GG.

            For real, am I wrong? Please link me the article in which they say gamers are dead.

            “saying well at least shes getting more support out of this.”

            Sounds like a pretty decent and human thing to do, still has nothing to do with collusion or ethical breaches.

            “She blocks cyberbullies.”

            And hundreds more harass her every day.

            Stop apologizing for them.

            “nd she hasn’t actually been harmed in any way.”

            Bullshit. Every study done on cyberbullying proves it messes you up. To argue otherwise is just anti-science at this point.

            “Have you not heard of the massive erasing of comments on several websites”

            Yes. That’s called “forum moderation.” You’re still free to talk about the issue, on websites you own. That’s how private property works.

            “No, he said they get together to influence public opinion”

            Haha all op eds influence public opinion. That doesn’t make them unethical.

            “Milo reported was going on in the mailing list was made up and I just believed it.”

            Yes, that was the gist of the second article you linked.

            There was no collusion. There were no ethical failures. If there were, then there would be evidence of someone being influenced to write something they didn’t agree with.

            Why do you believe the world’s least ethical journalist over what you can see with your own eyes?

          • thanatos388

            Just because you don’t think what they are doing is wrong doesn’t mean its wrong. I take it you are not a journalist either.

            If Zoe Quinn can’t deal with a few cyber bullies that are literally no threat, that every single celebrity gets all the time that she needs to grow up. Shes just using what little she has for publicity anyway. She is not suffering. She is whiny and making money out of being a victim.

            “then there would be evidence of someone being influenced to write something they didn’t agree with.”

            I guess being pressured to delete comments that disagree what what other people are writing doesn’t count? Donating to the patreon of a developer that you are covering doesn’t count?

            http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224400/Gamers_dont_have_to_be_your_audience_Gamers_are_over.php

            ” “Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That’s why they’re so mad.”

            http://kotaku.com/we-might-be-witnessing-the-death-of-an-identity-1628203079

            http://dangolding.tumblr.com/post/95985875943/the-end-of-gamers

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still I’m guess ingyou couldn’t find an instance of anyone saying gamers or gaming is dead, huh?

            “a few”

            Try “thousands, orchestrated by people who openly want her to kill herself.”

            “she needs to grow up”

            How about GG grows up instead and stops harassing women online for no fucking reason? How about you grow up and stop blaming the victim for bullies refusing to stop bullying?

            “being pressured”

            Hahaha okay sure, yeah, how could the Escapist ever stand up to the pressure of people disagreeing with them. Unless Kotaku owns stock in the Escapist, don’t see how they could make the Escapist do anything. Words mean things.

            ““Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over”

            Yes, and you understand that this is talking about the demographic stereotype, not people who play games, right?

            I also don’t see the words “gamers are dead” anywhere there.”

          • thanatos388

            The Escapist did stand up to them and not remove anything. They also updated their ethics policies before anyone else and were the only ones allowing discussion. They also hired people who were in support of GG. That doesn’t change what was said.

            “How about GG grows up instead and stops harassing women online for no fucking reason? How about you grow up and stop blaming the victim for bullies refusing to stop bullying?”

            Cyberbullying is the biggest first world problem BS ever. And none of them are from GG because GG reports people who do that to the FBI. They’ve done this several times. There are many women who are with GG do you even follow it or just believe whatever you are told. This is all online you can easily see it on twitter for yourself. And its not victim blaming to say that if she can’t take meaningless harassment online then she probably can’t take a brisk wind in real life.

            “thousands, orchestrated by people who openly want her to kill herself.”

            lol Show me

          • ReallyNotThough

            “The Escapist did stand up to them and not remove anything.”

            Huh yeah it’s almost like people can disagree and that’s not a sign of collusion.

            “Cyberbullying is the biggest first world problem BS ever.”

            Nope. Defending cyberbullying because you think it will get you toy reviews that confirm how you already feel about toys is.

            “GG reports people who do that to the FBI.”

            Hahahahahaha you reported one guy, out of thousands, to the FBI.

            You still haven’t reported Cameralady, Chobitcoin, or Rogue, though, when are you getting around to that?

            “thousands, orchestrated by people who openly want her to kill herself.”

            Sure, check the original chatlogs that led to GG:

            Aug 25 18.47.00 Only way to save vidya is for her to kill herself.

          • thanatos388

            Cameralady, Chobitcoin, or Rogue, though, when are you getting around to that?

            For what? What did they do?

            Aug 25 18.47.00 Only way to save vidya is for her to kill herself.

            And thats worse than the stuff they say about ggers how? Check Stopwebh8
            There are idiots in every large movement. That doesn’t mean thousands are working towards that, unless you consider every large movement ever to be inherently a hate group. If you even bother to see what gg is saying you would notice that they barely talk about Quinn except for when she brings herself into it for attention and money. They spend more time talking about other women like Jonathan Mcintosh, Ben Kuchera, Patrick Klepek, Nathan Grayson, and Arthur Chu.
            “Defending cyberbullying”

            What did I say that defened cyberbullying? I just said it wasn’t a real issue. Nor is it an actual thing to care about in this circumstance. Shes using it to get money.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “For what? What did they do?”

            Threaten, harass, and dox.

            Huh, guess you don’t kick out everyone, huh?

            “And thats worse than the stuff they say about ggers how?”

            This argument is nonsensical. I hope you realize why.

            But for the record, it’s worse because it was said by someone activiely searching for her address and the contact information of her family and friends as part of a coordinated effort to drive someone to kill herself.

            Maybe you shouldn’t have joined that effort.

            “other women” Now you call men you don’t like women. Okay.

            Also, that’s a baldfaced lie.

            http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23Gamergate%20AND%20Quinn&via=Topsy

            http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23Gamergate%20AND%20Kuchera&via=Topsy

            Stop lying all the damn time.

            “What did I say that defened cyberbullying?”

            When you spent all day today trying to say that it isn’t harmful and it’s the victim’s fault for being hurt?

            You get that I, unlike you with Leigh Alexander, can actually read what you write, right?

            “I just said it wasn’t a real issue.”

            Yeah, that’s you defending cyberbullies, right there. Because you can;t stand people saying they don’t like your toys. Okay.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Out of curiosity, did you ever actually read that Leigh Alexander article to learn what she was actually saying?

          • thanatos388

            Yes she was saying that they don’t have to appeal to the traditional gamers because they are a dying breed of consumer. Basically that the stereotypical gamer was no longer relevant to them and should be ignored to advance the medium. She goes on to make a bunch of blanket statements about how terrible they are all over videogames and how much better we are than those people. Its a bit like what you are doing now.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Basically that the stereotypical gamer was no longer relevant to them ”

            Yes, because the stereotype no longer was true. She’s saying that the video game market is diverse and adult.

            Why is this so threatening to you?

          • thanatos388

            Because its used as an excuse to ignore people and dismiss anything they have to say. Like what you do. If they don’t agree with you then they are just misogynist, homophobic, whatever, whatever. Which is weird, since they supposedly don’t exist anymore but they are apparently trying to kill devs. Whatever makes her sound good I guess.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Because its used as an excuse to ignore people and dismiss anything they have to say.”

            Huh? Saying that the games market is diverse an adult is an excuse to ignore people? I think that falls into Not Even Wrong territory.

            “misogynist”

            People say that about you because you’re part of a harassment mob whipped up by lies about a woman’s sex life, not because the games market is diverse.

            “homophobic”

            People say you’re homophobic because you’re in a movement started by Adam “gay marriage leads to bestiality” Baldwin, not because the games market is diverse.

          • thanatos388

            And none of that has to do with the people actually involved. There are women and minorities of all kinds in gamergate. And if you seriously think that gg still talks about Quinns sex life then you are just going off of what one sided articles like this has to say. Try actually talking to people in gg.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “And none of that has to do with the people actually involved. ”

            What are you talking about? How is the founder and second most-followed GG not involved with GG?

            How is the original purpose of GG unrelated to GG?

            “And if you seriously think that gg still talks about Quinns sex life”

            I personally saw dozens of GG on this very thread pushing the lie that she had sex for coverage.

            Again, I can see. I can. I can even read. You can stop pretending I can’t.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, re:

            “There are women and minorities of all kinds in gamergate.”

            Stop using people as a shield. It’s weird and stupid.

          • thanatos388

            How is pointing out that gg is not all women hating men using them as a shield?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Because you used them specifically to shield your movement from he observation that it’s based in misogyny?

          • thanatos388

            Pointing out that they exist is not using them as a shield. Saying you are justified in lying about a group of people to protect a minority group or gender is however.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, when you point them out specifically to say you’re not a misogynist movement, instead of actually dealing with the misogyny?

            Yes, it is.

            I’m not lying. Did you search #gamergate AND [c-word]?

            Your movement is overrun with misogynists, and you’re here trying to pretend they’re not a problem.

          • thanatos388

            Saying negative things about one woman or using negative words does not make anybody a misogynist. Seeing out of context numbers says nothing. You still cannot prove any of your points.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ahahahaha for real, examine every choice in your life that led you to arguing that using misogynist words is not misogynist.

            Okay champ good work

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here’s an experiment. Try searching “#gamergate AND [c-word]” (remember to capitalize the AND so Twitter knows it’s an operator)

            Try the same with any slur for gay people.

            Do you see why people think GG is full of misogynists and homophobes?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “since they supposedly don’t exist anymore but they are apparently trying to kill devs. ”

            WOOOOOOOOOOOW.

            God I hope reading comprehension gets more attention in schools.

            No-one said “gamers don’t exist.” That doesn’t even make sense.

          • thanatos388

            You just said that the stereotype doesn’t exist anymore.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. Do you understand the difference between a stereotype and a person?

          • hams

            “Something nobody involved with gamergate has done?”

            Are you serious right now… http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/tech/utah-anita-sarkeesian-threat/

            Before you complain, you can’t prove who did the GGdc threat anymore than you can prove it wasn’t someone in GG who did this.

          • thanatos388

            Actually it was Tom Cruise who sent the threats. You can’t prove its not Tom Cruise so it was probably Tom Cruise, thats how logic works. I also just proved creationism incidentally.

          • hams

            yeah except tom cruise doesn’t have a well documented (and ongoing) history of being an anti-feminist manchild. You don’t get to deny the possibility of GG participating in terrorism while simultaneously insisting on the possibility of any particular person or persons calling in a threat to a GG meeting.

            Either motive is enough to accuse and be suspicious, or it’s not. You are trying to have it both ways, I’m calling it you out on it, and you’re either deliberately (or idioticly/accidentally) misunderstanding me.

          • thanatos388

            “yeah except tom cruise doesn’t have a well documented (and ongoing) history of being an anti-feminist manchild.”

            And neither does Gamergate. Except Tom Cruise is a nutjob who thinks he can tell everyone what to do and they he’s the best.

            “You don’t get to deny the possibility of GG participating in terrorism while simultaneously insisting on the possibility of any particular person or persons calling in a threat to a GG meeting.”

            Except there was no evidence that GG was involved at all other than people really wanting them to be. Anita got these dumb threats years before GG. Meanwhile there are tweets by prominent Anti-GG members making threats then deleting those tweets once bomb threats are made.

            And nobody is even saying that its definitely true. Just that he looks guilty based on his recent activities.

          • hams

            “Anita got these dumb threats years before GG”

            Yes I’m sure all those people conveniently died of old age before GG came around, no way they would join in on the hate bandwagon. It’s cool that you don’t think GG has a terrible reputation. Do you live on the ISS? In a cave? A submarine? A jungle? How do you not know about this? Do you think this is the first article ever written about what a bunch of shitheads GG is? You’ve got people in this very thread who are just ELATED that GGdc got threatened because they get to use it as a talking point for GG.

            There is as much or more evidence pointing at GG for the numerous threats as there is towards whomever you’re accusing for this one. If you don’t believe it…well have fun on the moon or wherever you live. I’m sure you’re very important to society.

          • Pitchguest

            If there is so much evidence pointing at GG, then why don’t you do us a favour and provide it?

          • hams

            https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB0Av7KfIMAEbusw.jpg

            http://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-279736

            buhhh whoops.

            http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/10/17/gamergate_threats_why_it_s_so_hard_to_prosecute_the_people_targeting_zoe.html

            Just in case you still think the lack of arrests automatically means the harassment isn’t happening.

            https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/dec/18/fbi-says-gamergate-files-part-pending-or-prospecti/

            Whoops I guess the FBI takes it seriously enough to open an investigation!

            http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2014/10/28/gamergate-advocates-hoping-one-more-death-threat-will-prove-theres-no-misogyny

            Just in case you were wondering how you guys sound.

            Ok, I KNOW you’re going to complain that the evidence isn’t enough, because again acknowledging the evidence would mean acknowledging the chance you could be wrong. Most melvins HATE to be wrong (hate admitting it anyways)

          • Pitchguest

            http://www.newsweek.com/gamergate-about-media-ethics-or-harassing-women-harassment-data-show-279736

            This article was debunked a few days after it was written.

            https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB0Av7KfIMAEbusw.jpg

            This tweet has both StopGamerGate2014 and the GamerGate hashtag tagged.

            https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/dec/18/fbi-says-gamergate-files-part-pending-or-prospecti/

            This proves that people have made reports to the FBI about Gamergate, much like how reports to the FBI were made about Occupy Wallstreet. It doesn’t say anything else than that. It doesn’t say anything about threats, it doesn’t say anything about harassment nor does it corroborate anything in regards to either.

            http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/article/2014/10/28/gamergate-advocates-hoping-one-more-death-threat-will-prove-theres-no-misogyny

            And this is a story from a clickbait website about an individual which the clickbait website titles “Gamergate Advocates Hoping One More Death Threat Will Prove There’s No Misogyny Problem in Gaming”, which seems to be, considering this quote right here:

            “Sure, you can see aspects of sexism in literally every other facet of our society but video games are different because I enjoy them and would rather not critically analyse them.”

            To be taken from a parody video and not a genuine one.

            All in all, incontrovertible proof provided that GG is responsible for harassment and threats: 0.

            Great job, mate. Top notch. You’ll become a journalist yet.

          • hams

            The tweet having both hashtags just means they wanted a-gg to see it as well, and the username makes it pretty clear which side they are on. Nice try.

            Hey moron, the sbs.com article was deliberate satire. Says right at the bottom of the page. Aside from the fact that it’s so obvious. Just pointing out how very nearly accurate it seems (the fact that you took it seriously tells volumes)

            Hey do you have any proof that anything was debunked? OH NO OF COURSE NOT. Only my statements have to have proof, you can just say whatever you want and expect it to be taken seriously -_-

            There’s a big difference between being reported to the FBI and there being an ONGOING investigation. If there were no proof, they would have cleared ya’lls name…hmm…guess not huh?

            You didn’t ask for incontrovertible proof, and you DEFINITELY haven’t provided it in any fashion whatsoever.
            There’s obviously enough evidence that you can’t claim absolute innocence. Stop trying it’s absurd.

          • Pitchguest

            It’s nice how you’re able to divine what intent the maker of that tweet wanted to make known. It’s not really clear to the rest of us. And someone calling themselves Anita Pu**y, making a single tweet and then deleting their account is certainly proof that this person was genuine. Truly.

            You’re right, the sbs article was satire. I missed that. But that makes it even more absurd that you should link it as supposed proof that GG is guilty of harassment and threats. I did ask you to provide me proof of that, did I not? Yes I did. I don’t think that makes *me* the moron in this exchange.

            Do I have proof? Yes. I do. You speak as though having evidence to support your arguments is a chore that shouldn’t be required. Unlike you, though, I actually take that seriously.

            https://medium.com/@cainejw/an-actual-statistical-analysis-of-gamergate-dfd809858f68

            It’s not really relevant what constitutes an ongoing investigation and being reported. Being reported to the FBI usually means there is a preliminary investigation anyway, meaning that you or anyone else gets put in the database. Also, anyone can get reported to the FBI. That’s why I brought up Occupy Wallstreet. In any case, what you linked me still doesn’t prove anything positive or negative regarding threats or harassment in regards to Gamergate. When the FBI releases a statement saying that so-and-so was responsible for threats and harassment and so-and-so is associated with Gamergate and reportedly did so in the name of Gamergate, then you might have a case. But I do remember asking you for clear proof and that is not it.

            If I wasn’t asking for incontrovertible proof, what kind of proof did I ask for? I mean, did you think that linking me those things that doesn’t prove anything in the slightest that I would simply submit and say it’s “close enough?” I’m not sure if you’re familiar with history but there were a lot of atrocities back in the day that were commited using the logic “close enough.” I want evidence that proves without the shadow of a doubt. Not satire pieces and images of tweets that were deleted at the same time they appear.

          • hams

            I kinda skimmed that because could tell you were doing exactly what I said you were going to do which was to try and worm your way out of it. It’s really fuckin funny that you think it’s difficult to determine the purpose of that tweet given the @s and the content. It’s been pretty well established that it takes zero effort to create a sockpuppet account, send some abuse and then drop it. You wanted to see someone associating themselves with GG acting badly, there it is.

            Unsurprisingly it took about a paragraph into the criticism of the study before it became clear that the writer had badly misunderstood it. If they don’t understand how and why you would draw a sample for analysis, then how could they be equipped to interpret any of it? Again they miss the point by failing to understand that that study measured tweets @ journalists and tweets @ others. One would think it would be a simple refutation to obtain the data used, or even do a statistical analysis of say, all the #GG tweets to present a counterargument. Instead the author is happy to make a lot of vague accusations of professional misconduct, alterior motives, etc.. At one point the author attempts to put a graph…into photoshop….to analyze the data. Hopefully you understand why this is problematic at the very best but mostly just idiotic. Clearly this is not a professional opinion nor is it someone who has access to the data. So it’s useless.

            Finally you seem to be under the impression that being reported is identical to being the subject of an open investigation. I find it especially disingenuous that you think the FBI opens an investigation on literally EVERYTHING that gets sent in to them. Obviously that is neither the case, nor even feasible. The FBI investigating OW has zero bearing whatsoever on the fact that they are also investigating GG. You may think that is an absolution but you’ve done a poor job of demonstrating why it should be so.

            You seem to be under the simultaneous impression that ‘incontrovertible truth’ is the exact same term as ‘proof’. I can’t imagine why they would be distinct words and why you would use them as such if the terms were identical. Again, your insincerity in the pursuit of your agenda is sad.

            I’m a little confused why you think you can demand a literal smoking gun, when nothing remotely approaching that has been presented by you. You haven’t managed to ‘incontrovertibly’ prove anything negative about aGG and you haven’t managed to’incontrovertibly’ prove the innocence of GG. Your entire strategy appears to be “your evidence will never be good enough” and “I don’t need evidence, take my word for it”

            Do you really think that’s an acceptable method of argument?

            Even more ridiculous is that you’re trying to draw some murky link between having less than your imaginary standard of evidence and ‘atrocities’. Childish.

            Possibly your biggest failure (at least on this issue) is that I only claimed that your lack of evidence incriminating aGG has equal or less value than the evidence incriminating GG. You seem to misunderstand this, or think that the counter is to ask me for evidence above and beyond what I am attempting to state.

            So since you’ve marvelously gotten yourself lost on the issue, I’ll reiterate. You cannot claim that GG is innocent (without proof) and accuse aGG (without proof) without being a hypocrite.

            If nothing else I’m embarrassed for you because you seem incapable of being embarrassed for yourself.

          • thanatos388

            What evidence? Show me. I know a lot is said about it but do you even follow GG? Or do you just believe what journalists say about them? You know, the ones who were accused of wrong doing? Its not like they have any reason to lie……

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Or do you just believe what journalists say about them? ”

            I love how the go-to assumption for GG is that people who don’t like it are somehow selectively blind or incapable of reading twitter.

            We can see your harassment and threats, in real time.

            We can see GG posting homophobia, transphobia, and ableism all over this very thread.

            We can see GG constantly lying about women they hate.

            We can see this. You can stop pretending we can’t.

          • thanatos388

            “We can see GG posting homophobia, transphobia, and ableism all over this very thread.

            We can see GG constantly lying about women they hate.

            We can see this. You can stop pretending we can’t.”

            Wow. I read what they are saying every other day. Thats just not happening. Show this happening in real time.

          • ReallyNotThough
          • thanatos388

            No, give evidence. Not one sided articles claiming it exists.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, I get that GG are bad with technology, but all of those links call up a Disqus comment.

            The called comments are GG throwing slurs, and lying.

          • thanatos388

            And calling out a few bad apples shows the whole movement is about that in some way? What evidence do you have that gamergate is a hate group at all? And having nasty words associating with them means nothing. We are using those words right now but that doesn’t make either of us homophobes or misogynists.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha look at those goalposts go.

            You said GG’s lying, homophobia, and transphobia didn’t happen. It does. Constantly. Can you admit that?

            At this point, there are tens of thousands of examples just like the ones I posted.

            Look, somewhere around the 5000th unique username to be bigoted and harass people, in a movement where only about 2000 people still produce original content, the whole “bad apples” argument fell apart.

            And frankly, even if the tens of thousands of slurs and harassment and doxes and deadnames and threats are still done by a minority of GG, they’re still the main issue. No amount of improvements to toy reviews will ever justify this shit.

            “that doesn’t make either of us homophobes or misogynists.”

            Look, you either are a bigot, or think that supporting and shielding bigots and making sure no-one notices the bigotry without getting into an argument is necessary to get better toy reviews.

            That difference is academic at best.

          • Pitchguest

            Someone in GG would phone in a bomb threat towards their own people?

            That’s what you’re suggesting? That they threatened themselves?

          • hams

            It’s a really short, really simple post. Read the first line. Read the link. Read the third and fourth line.

          • Pitchguest

            Then if you can’t prove it either way, then why the insistence that this was done by GG?

          • hams

            Again you’ve failed to read. I’ll try and make it even simpler.

            A: The claim that it is impossible or extremely unlikely that GG members are responsible for the MANY threats leveled at their ‘opponents’ because there wasn’t enough evidence for an arrest.

            B: The claim that there IS sufficient evidence to claim one particular person called in a threat. Despite there not being enough evidence to arrest the guy.

            You cannot claim that both of these are consistent. I am not making the claim that GG called in a threat on its own meetup. (I’m not denying the possibility, but that’s another thing altogether) I’m pointing out the hypocrisy in making accusations without proof while pretending that you are immune to accusations without proof.

            If you still don’t get it, please go back to eating worms in your back yard.

          • Pitchguest

            If the FBI is truly involved as they claim and so many threats have truly been levelled as they claim, then it would seem to me inconceivable, or at least improbable, that NO ARRESTS WHATSOEVER would be made.

            It is also illogical beyond measure to assume that GG must be guilty of at least some of the threats they’ve been accused of making because there is no evidence that they or haven’t made them.

            Oh, and YOU wish to speak of hypocrisy? You do realise that Arthur Chu were on the forefront accusing GG of making threats to people without evidence, but now when he made a vague statement that could interpreted as a threat and an actual threat was phoned in on the same night declaring that GG was the reason they made it, then it couldn’t possibly be a threat and we’re the hypocrites for pointing this out.

            No, hams. On the contrary, we’ve not denied the possibility for a second. We’ve embraced it because it happened almost daily, where GG was accused of making a threat here, a threat there; harassing someone here, harassing someone over there. It never stopped. And did they provide any evidence? No.

          • hams

            I can’t teach your how to read and argue or I just don’t care to, whatever.

            No arrests have been made on either side. You can’t prove it wasn’t GG making threats and I can’t prove it wasn’t Chu making threats.

            Both have all appearances of motive.

            You’re not a hypocrite for pointing out the link between a tweet and threat. You’re a hypocrite for pretending there are no links between the insane number of misogynist tweets, youtube videos, and blogs – and threats made by people who obviously align with the exact values of those tweets, videos, and blogs.

            Like, if you still don’t get it. If you still think that there is NO REASON to suspect that members of GG maybe just hate women a little bit (they pretend it’s just feminists), I mean what are you even doing here? Do you think I’m going to buy that when it takes about 30 seconds of casual searching to find someone who associates with GG being hateful towards women, feminists, and especially ZQ, AS, and BW? Is it really that hard to process that the people openly calling them sl*ts and c*nts just might be allied with the people calling them sl*ts and c*nts while simultaneously making violent threats? (or are one and the same under an alt)

            Step out of your tiny little worldview. Accept the possibility that you could be wrong. Look for yourself, do the fucking math.

          • Snoopy

            The conversation would be much more interesting if the aGGros tackled GG for what it ACTUALLY does. (And we do some real funny stuff that you don’t see).
            However, having to exclusively answer either unfounded or knowingly false allegations makes this whole thing look ugly, almost as if anti knew they’re on the wrong side of history.

          • GP

            I’m sorry, I didn’t understand. All I could glean was “Blah blah blah, all attacks blamed on GG are false flags, blah blah blah that guy who was on Jeopardy is responsible for a bomb threat because GG said so.”

          • Snoopy

            “I’m sorry, I didn’t understand”
            Don’t let this become the main storyline of your life.

          • GP

            Don’t worry, it’s just a “talking with GG” survival tactic.

          • Pitchguest

            If you don’t believe a word of it then you could, you know, do that thing that sceptics do. What’s it called again? Research?

          • GP

            I did that too, but please point me in the direction of the proofs.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “tackled GG for what it ACTUALLY does.”

            We do. In fact, though GG’s effects on ethics policy updates cannot be proven, as policies update all the time, we can actually demonstrate GG boards doxing people and GG central figures harassing people.

            So that’s what we talk about, because it actually happened.

  • Andrea Porzio

    I saw a picture of the GG DC meeting: sure those white hetero cis straight guys have done a good job in disguising themselves as women and minorities!

    • Mr Corrections

      Gross.

    • Michael Lindsay

      I saw another comment by a Gamergate fan.
      It had nothing to do with the article, like nothing.
      At all.

      • Pitchguest

        Nor did yours.

        Hypocrisy: accomplished.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Not sure you know what hypocrisy means, but then “no U” is kind of the last resort of Gamergaters cornered by a lack of anything substantial to say.

          • Pitchguest

            Then stupidity must be the last resort for the opposition. Your comment had no bearing on the article, at all, so you commited the same crime you accused a “Gamergate fan” of making. That makes you a hypocrite. But don’t let my “lack of substance” hit you on the way out.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Pointing out that someone isn’t on topic is on the topic of people not being on topic that’s true. And that’s what you’re all in a flap about? Poor pet.
            Still-what would you expect from Gamergate, bunch of insular dorks in a rage about first world problems of such dire importance as people writing critical reviews and op-ed pieces making wordplays on the death of the author.

          • Pitchguest

            Here’s what you did. You pointed out someone wasn’t on topic by not being on topic. If you wanted to be on topic, you would have ignored the person NOT on topic and gone on your merry way. You didn’t. You decided to make everyone aware this person’s comment, this “Gamergate fan”, had nothing to do with the article. Whereas your comment had … nothing to do with the article.

            And then you go on making another comment that lacks any kind of self-awareness or reflection. “Bunch of insular dorks in a rage about first world problems”, yet here you are in a hizzy about comments not being on topic. First world problems indeed.

          • Michael Lindsay

            He wasn’t on topic, he was here to signal boost-like you. And just like you his attempts just make your joke of a cause look worse. This article is exactly what Gamergate deserves. After eight months of screaming for attention and yelling at people you don’t like the media has shone it’s unforgiving spotlight on you and you haven’t come out of it looking good. Unwilling to learn from experience you just keep screaming and yelling and making yourselves look worse. (golf claps) Well done kids.

          • Pitchguest

            You know, I don’t even know who the hell you’re talking about. I just wished to point out your blatant hypocrisy. I don’t care about your stupid argument.

    • ReallyNotThough

      Stop using people as your shields, it’s just sad and weird.

      • Nuge

        He’s obviously trolling.

        • ReallyNotThough

          How? By libeling Quinn, using minorities as shields against accusations of harassment, and believing feminism is a conspiracy to destroy games?

          If that’s trolling, then there is no such thing as a serious GGer.

          • hams

            “If that’s trolling, then there is no such thing as a serious GGer.”

            Let’s be honest…is there? Self serious maybe….

          • ReallyNotThough

            I think sadly there is a good faith defender of every GG point. I think hundreds still actually believe that Quinn had sex for coverage, hundreds believe that there is a massive conspiracy to oppress men, and hundreds believe games journalists are trying to destroy gamers.

            The issue is that, once they’re in the cult, they end up pushing all sorts of BS they don’t believe, because exalting the cult is more important than the truth, so you get an odd mix of good-faith (albeit incredibly stupid) opinions and bad-faith arguments.

          • hams

            I can’t stop being astounded by this: When you start to whittle them down to the details, they start chasing their tails in the exact way that moon landing denialists do when you shed light on their ‘facts’. They’ve got so much of their identity built up on this that they don’t even mentally/emotionally have an avenue for them to be wrong about it.

            I mean, if tomorrow the FBI released a slew of convincing evidence proving that ZQ used to beat eragon with a garden hose and that she faked literally everything in collusion with all the other people claiming harassment. I would have to admit I was wrong about a good many things. They haven’t, I doubt they will, and nothing GG has even comes close to a glimmer of that, but if they did.

            That said I would still consider GG to be one of the most aggressively vocal and toxic elements of the online community. They give proof of that every day.

          • ginmar

            Well, to be fair, the GGers believe anything about sex when that person is a male who hates women yet somehow can credibly claim he has had, at least once, this “sex.”

            With a girl.

            Voluntarily.

            Who is breathing.

            And conscious.

    • Mark
      • ReallyNotThough

        Good work promoting a woman who thinks bullying boys is healthy and should not be prohibited, who links to MRAs, and who has never touched a video game in her life.

        There’s no way she’s using you, right?

        • Mark

          you are grossly misinformed, friend.

          • ReallyNotThough

            huh that’s almost like a counterargument, if only facts didn’t exist and we couldn’t easily check them.

            Which of the following is false?

            1. In War on Boys, CHS was strongly opposed to anti-bullying initiatives in schools, saying that it feminized boys.

            2. She often links to and supports MRAs, including hate group AVfM.

            3. She has never played a video game in her life and has no intention of doing so.

          • Jack

            Accredited academic has a respected opinion: She’s using you!

            Non-academic asks for money to make lazy, ineffectual criticism and promotes political censorship in art: SAVIOR OF VIDEOGAMES

            Never change, Antis.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Which of my three points was false?

          • Jack

            1.) Anti-bullying initiatives don’t really address the problem, they’re just more behavioral restraints for lazy parents that produce weak adults that get ‘triggered’ by everything they look at.

            2.) The only place calling AVfM a hate group is SPLC. That doesn’t validate them as a hate group, that just means the SPLC has a low (and ideological) bar for what passes as ‘hate’.

            3.) She never claimed to be a gamer nor did she lie about her intentions with the intent to scam gamers out of money and support. You’re thinking of Anita.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) Okay, so I was 100% correct that not only CHS, but GG in general, thinks bullying is healthy? Okay then.

            “2.) The only place calling AVfM a hate group is SPLC. ”
            Also, everyone who thinks that pressuring Congress to eliminate funding for gay and American Indian men and women’s domestic violence services is pretty hateful. Or who think that calling for the murder of government employees is hateful. Or anyone with any common sense whatsoever.

            3) No kidding. She’s a far-right media personality who doesn’t care about games all all, but wants to use GG to push her social messaging. Like the rest of GG’s public faces. Have fun being tools.

          • Pitchguest

            1) Right. That’s why many went after Sam Biddle of Gawker when he said he thinks society should “bring back bullying” and GG “deserves to be bullied”, at which point thousands of dollars were donated to anti-bullying charities. So you were actually 100% wrong.

            2) This is something that AVFM has advocated? Source?

            3) Wrong. She’s a registered Democrat and voted for Obama as President. You’re an ignorant idiot.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) You went after Sam Biddle because he spoke out against GG. You donated money to have a talking point, same with the TFYC scam.If you cared at all about bullying, you wouldn’t support CHS.

            2) Yes. Google “AVfM post Thomas Ball manifesto” and “AVfM supports House version of VAWA.”

            3) Hahahaha yeah sure her words definitely disprove the fact that she works at ar far-right think-tank and is her work is most closely associated with far-right antifeminist groups.

            How are you this gullible? I’ll bet you think Milo is really sorry for saying that games cause mass shootings, too, right?

          • Jack

            1.) Anti-bullying initiatives do nothing to actually address the problem, but opposing them for that is supporting bullying – oh, and it doesn’t count when you do it.

            Never change, Antis.

            2.) “Also everyone I agree with”
            So nobody with credibility, gotcha. Probably the type that thinks misandry is cool. So edgy.

            3.) Guy that supports flat-out scam artist criticizes people they disagree with politically as tools.

            Okay.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) Factually incorrect. Every study shows they are effective. I get that science denial is the basic far-right position, though.

            2) Huh?

            3) Huh?

          • Jack

            1.) “Factually incorrect”

            Christ you people are stupid. What color is the sky in the hugbox? There’s a whole reality outside to look at.

            http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/09/13/study-anti-bullying-programs-may-have-opposite-effect

            2.) Anecdote and hyperbole aren’t credibility, guy.

            3.) Anita is the non-gamer who scored alot of money for a project that is over-budgeted, over-due, half completed, and incompitently done. People supporting that want to call us tools? Good lord.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) That study found a correlation, not a causation. Don’t believe shit just because it makes you feel good.

            Here’s a meta-analysis that does establish causation: http://www.nasponline.org/publications/spr/abstract.aspx?ID=3355

            2) Name one thing I said that isn’t true.

            3) “over-budgeted” it was budgeted at $6000. Maybe misogynists shouldn’t have attacked her.

            “incompitently done”

            haha, incompitently tho

            Any more useless tu quoques to throw out to hide the fact that you know you’re being used by far-right ideologues for reasons unrelated to video games?

          • Jack

            1.) You said ‘all studies’. There are plenty of studies speaking against anti-bullying initiatives for a variety of reasons. You’re wrong. Period.

            2.) Reference: 1

            3.) Deflection. Her work is factually inaccurate, poorly researched, and she presents herself as something she’s not. She also hasn’t delivered on what she’s promised – but none of that counts because she’s a good ally, right?

            Yeah, I’m the tool here. Good one.

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) Like? Your study did not show what you wanted it to. Read the study itself rather than the news write-up.

            2) Huh, yet, you can’t point out a single thing I said about AVfM that’s false.

            3) “She also hasn’t delivered on what she’s promised”

            She’s behind schedule. Stop lying.

            “none of that counts because she’s a good ally, right?”

            I mean, I don’t really care. I didn’t donate to her KS; far as I can tell, everyone who did is happy with the work thus far.

            Can we come back from tu quoque land now? Look,. I get that GG shifts into attack mode, but maybe you should face up to how you’re being used by ideologues who think you’re pathetic losers at worst, and couldn’t care less about your hobby at best?

          • Jack

            1.) It’s like you’ve taken absolutely no time or effort what-so-ever to learn the arguments against your position. I’m sure you’ll find complaints with this one, too. It’s alright, there are plenty more.

            http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/10/anti-bullying-programs-could-be-a-waste-of-time/

            2.) The only thing you said is that it was labeled a hate group, which SPLC explicitly denied doing. So yeah, false. You aren’t good at this.

            3.) Over two years behind scheduele on an overfunded project that shows none of the effort reflecting the proposed cost? There are amateur youtubers that put together better work than that, with better arguments that aren’t shot down by people who have actually played the games she finds ‘problematic’.

            You can cross your fingers and wait another couple of years for her to produce a few more 10 minute videos. I wouldn’t hold my breath, lol.

            There were alot of people, not even associated with GG, demanding refunds because she hasn’t held up on her work – but hey, she’s still asking for donations. Gee, those videos are expensive!

            But hey, I’m only pointing out your shameless hypocrisy here. I forget, I’m the tool for supporting people that are honest about what they do. 😉

          • ReallyNotThough

            1) Hahahahaha let’s look at the sequence of events here.
            -you link a news article, not looking at the study.
            -I mention that the study does not show causation.
            -you link a different news article linking the same study

            good work champ

            2) No, I mentioned that they support eliminating domestic violence provisions for a huge portion of the population, among other things. That’s why I call them a hate group.

            3) Still in tu quoque land, huh. Let me know when you have the courage to defend your position.

          • Jack

            Oh, whoops. Wrong result.
            http://www.vocativ.com/culture/health-culture/bullying/

            http://articles.courant.com/2013-09-06/news/hc-op-brackett-school-bullying-programs-ineffectiv-20130906_1_bullying-prevention-programs-expelling-bullies-school-year

            Two more, one of which is an academic working specifically in that field.

            Here’s also a good one.
            http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-bullying-in-schools-20150327-story.html#page=1

            Let the excuses flow.

            2.) You mean the kind of overbearing provisions that give us things like the UVA rape hoax or the litany of other cases where men get the short end of the stick despite being the majority victims of domestic violence?

            But no, misandry isn’t hate. It’s the cool new fad. ‘Hate’ is the new word for ‘disagreeing with slacktivist feminists’.

            3.) Your response to being called out on open-faced hypocrisy is to drop everything and go full circle?

            Never change, Antis.

          • ReallyNotThough

            The vocativ link: a guy writing pop psych books who admits he isn’t supported by the field. Okay.

            The Courant article has zero studies backing it up, it’s just an opinion piece.

            Real talk, do you even know what a study is?

            The last article says bullying rates on school grounds have decreased dramatically, while those off grounds have stayed the same, thus proving my point.

            Like, do you actually read any of these articles, or are you just throwing copypasta at me?

            2) Nope, I mean shelters and support for gay men and women, trans people, and American Indian men and women, which AVfM openly asked Congress to rescind,

            3) Nope, that’s my response to your meaningless tu quoque derail. Let me know when you get back.

          • Jack

            Article saying that bullying hasn’t changed, and if anything has increased, is proving your point?

            Perhaps you can show one of the ‘all studies’ you mentioned before while you’re off shifting your goalposts there.

            2.) You mean speaking against the Violence against women act, which explicitly excluded native americans and otherwise ignored over half the problem with domestic violence in general? Barbaric.

            3.) You’re deflecting because you can’t answer to your projecting. It’s alright, I expect no less.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Article saying that bullying hasn’t changed, and if anything has increased, is proving your point?”

            That’s not what it said. It said that anti-bullying initiatives reduced it in school, but haven;t prevented it outside of school.

            That article is written at a 6th grade level. How is this difficult for you?

          • Jack

            It didn’t reduce bullying, just shifted where it occurred and increased it in aggregate.

            I know you guys aren’t much for stem and science or anything, but that’s an abject failure to address the problem by any other name.

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” increased it in aggregate.”

            If you weren’t in a cult, would you need to make up facts out of thin air?

          • Jack

            The article flat-out said that overall bullying increased, it just stopped happening in schools.

            I understand that you guys like to cling to the superficial, but as it shows, the real world doesn’t reflect that kind of blissful simplicity.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “The article flat-out said that overall bullying increased, it just stopped happening in schools.”

            Nope, it said that kids were still reporting bullying.

            I mean, it’s not even a study. How would they even know if bullying increased? They have several anecdotes by kids.

          • ReallyNotThough

            To clarify, I think people who are clearly being used by far-right ideologues who openly think both them and their hobby are pathetic, are tools.

            Why wouldn’t I?

            Also, are you saying you don’t agree that banning DV services for people is hateful?

          • Jack

            The far-right ideologues are only exploiting an opportunity afforded by far-left moral censors and pc police. You’re acting no different than the radical conservatives pushing ‘videogames cause violence’ just last generation.

            It’s how we know your lot aren’t gamers and have no care for the medium. We remember.

            That your political opponents exploit your mistakes is your problem, not ours.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You’re acting no different than the radical conservatives pushing ‘videogames cause violence’ just last generation.”

            You need to learn what the words “no different” mean, among others.

            “It’s how we know your lot aren’t gamers and have no care for the medium.”

            Huh? GG leaders actually do think video games are a pathetic waste of time. Milo went on record saying they caused the Santa Barbara shootings.

            Like Ubisoft said, GG is a tiny minority that has no relevance to the market.

            “That your political opponents exploit your mistakes is your problem,”

            Um, the “exploit” they found is using gullible tools to push their messaging. I get that you’re proud to be a tool, but that’s sad.

          • Jack

            “No different” meaning “You’re kinda hard pressed to draw differences between your arguments now, and their arguments before – because they’re functionally the same.”

            As for Ubisoft… you mean this ubisoft?
            http://www.cinemablend.com/images/sections/67318/_1410834213.jpg

            Game devs across the market support gamers. Mostly because they ARE gamers. The right got burned last generation because they pulled this radical pc censorship bullshit, and now the left thinks they can get away with it? The people you despise don’t even have to do anything except point out how you’re wrong. You’re giving it to them.

            It’s, literally, your fault for being a mindless reactionary instead of thinking about what you’re doing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahahahahaha okay if Anon 262… said something that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, it MUST be true!

            “The right got burned last generation”

            The fuck? You know who Reagan and Thatcher were, right?

            “nd now the left thinks they can get away with it?”

            No, criticism is not censorship, even though it makes you feel bad.

            “thinking about what you’re doing.”

            Have you given any thought to why you’re supporting people who think you’re a pathetic loser?

          • Jack

            Wow, you have no idea who Jack Thompson was.

            That explains everything.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, I do. He was a right-wing troll who recently appeared in an anti-Sarkeesian documentary funded by GG, described the horrors of left-wing politics.

            GG called him “Based Dad” as I recall.

          • Jack

            Nobody called him Based Dad. It was hilarious what he had to say about Anita and he was welcome to speak, but nobody endorses his views.

            That’s just wishful thinking out of the hugbox. I understand that you guys need that, for lack of much else, but this ain’t it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “You’re kinda hard pressed to draw differences between your arguments now, and their arguments before – because they’re functionally the same.”

            No, because they’re in no way the same, words meaning things and all.

          • Jack

            “Videogames cause violence” vs “Videogames cause sexism”

            Both frauds, both disproven, both push censorship as solution to invented problem, both forwarded primarily by people with little to no experience, knowledge, or history in gaming.

            Same uniform, different color.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Videogames cause sexism”

            Yeah, except no-one said that outside your fevered imaginations.

          • Jack

            The primary argument of Anita’s position and the tagline behind too many articles in the radfem blogosphere, even making major headlines with the question being asked.

            “But nobody said it”

            I’m guessing that’s the backpedaling from the recent study proving that’s full of crap. The narrative is in ruins.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “The primary argument of Anita’s position ”

            Nope, try some reading comprehension next time!

            “the tagline behind too many articles in the radfem blogosphere”

            Like?

            “I’m guessing that’s the backpedaling from the recent study proving that’s full of crap.”

            Huh, then you could probably show me where Sarkeesian said it, right?

            The authors of the study specifically said the study was being misinterpreted by GamerGate, fyi: http://blog.rkowert.com/sexist-games–sexist-gamers/#more

          • Jack

            You can say ‘try reading comprehension’ until you’re blue in the face, but that doesn’t really establish or validate a point.

            https://archive.is/20150419012543/http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/sexism-video-games-violence-against-women/

            http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-extremely-popular-video-games-fuel-sexism-debate.php

            https://archive.is/20150116140505/http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/14/7549813/sarkeesian-will-appear-on-nightline-tonight-to-discuss-sexism-in

            News is full of the ‘sexism in videogames is problematic’ bullshit and she outright stated on Colbert Report that such games an influence sexist attitudes.

            It’s so bullshit, it’s hilarious. We’re aware that the authors of the study think that there is something to be found. They are welcome to keep digging, we can’t wait.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Noticeably absent from all those articles: anyone saying that video games cause sexism.

            Learn to read,

          • ReallyNotThough

            Notice how you have to change your claim to ‘sexism in videogames is problematic’

            If you had a point you wouldn’t have to play these rhetorical games, you know.

          • Jack

            ‘Problematic’ is used mockingly, as it’s usually a codeword for wrongthink.

            Keep moving those goalposts!

          • ReallyNotThough

            You understand that “reinforce” and “cause” are not synonyms, right?

            Why is it that all GG need a Grade 4 ELA class?

          • Jack

            “Negatively impacts perceptions and beliefs”, first few seconds of the video, and you get hung up on something ancillary.

            The irony, for all you whine about comprehension. Never change.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes.

            That isn’t a claim that it causes sexism in non-sexist people, though.

            I mean, the real irony is you criticizing me for understanding what someone actually says rather than your imaginary interpretation.

            Tell me more about the horrible hit pieces saying that games can be artful and meaningful.

          • Jack

            That statement didn’t come with qualifiers.

            You did alot of whining about comprehension, so I’m going to hold the bar a little high on this one. That was her claim, one of many, that she also claimed had scientific backing (notably uncited).

            If you need to put wheels on those goalposts, I can wait.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, but it’s nonsensical to claim that you can cause sexism in someone who is already sexist.

            Do I need to explain this very basic principle of logic to you?

          • Jack

            That’s not what the claim was. That’s what it’s changed to now that studies have demonstrably destroyed the broader line, but that’s not what the claim was.

            Would think you’d get tired of pushing those goalposts past a point.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, it was the claim. I was clarifying it for you.

            How could something cause sexism in a sexist? Please explain.

          • Jack

            No, you’re reinterpreting the claim to justify it. That isn’t what it says.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please explain how it’s possible to cause sexism in a sexist.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nope, because Jack Thompson-like you wanted people to stop creating stuff that displeased him.

          • Jack

            The people pushing for actual censorship are saving gaming?

            Freedom is slavery.

          • Michael Lindsay

            The only ones pushing for censorship is gamergate.
            Their opposition to everything from Depression Quest to Dragon Age Inquisition sure as heck doesn’t come from their sincere desire to let people say whatever they want!

          • Jack

            The people supporting voices that disagree with them are the censors. The people pushing for bans on ‘problematic’ games and the harassment of developers making art they disagree with is ‘social progress’.

            Freedom is slavery, indeed.

            Though, I can’t really complain. You’ve done more to help those games than otherwise if they were left alone.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know that not a single one of GG’s targets actually pushes for censorship, right?

            Criticism is not censorship. When you’re older you might understand that.

          • Jack

            Criticism isn’t censorship. Petitions demanding removal and banning of games is censorship. Though, it’s not something to worry about.

            Devs have spoken and even Gaben doesn’t care for your types. Remember GTA, Hatred, and Huniepop? We do, lol.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Petitions demanding removal and banning of games is censorship. ”

            Which one of GG’s targets made one?

            “Hatred.” Hahaha look, you don’t have a right to distribute games on Steam. It’s a privilege. Losing that privilege is not censorship.

            You have no idea what the word “ban” means, huh?

          • Jack

            We know what bans and censorship are. We know what you people do.

            http://imgur.com/uKXbmzN
            http://i.imgur.com/UqenkmV.jpg

            (and all time favorite)
            http://imgur.com/U5e7Y3H

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahahahahaha okay so now the topic has shifted from banning games to recommending you don’t fuck over your own career by aligning with a hate movement.

            And Target choosing to pull a game, with no input whatsover from any of GG’s targets, is not evidence of GG’s targets banning something.

            How can basic logic be so far outside someone’s grasp?

            Look, if any of GG’s targets wanted to ban games, there would be some manner of evidence of them doing so.

          • Jack

            You need to make up your mind on whether the scope of GG is arbitrarily restricted to just a few people or is ‘widespread and problematic’.

            You’re going to need to put rockets on those goalposts.

            https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/534518557791358979

            https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/534781408422526977

          • ReallyNotThough

            ahahahaha you understand that neither or those tweets says anything about GG’s size right?

            Do you even read the things your cult tells you to post?

          • Michael Lindsay

            And this is where you get confused, none of your high profile targets have called for the censorship of games. Quinn didn’t do that, Wu didn’t, Chu didn’t. Sarkeesian analysed a game and her analysis didn’t gel with some idiots so they screamed “censorship”. Finally we have that Polygon article where a reviewer docked points because of what they interpreted as sexism. Gamergates response? They held a completely ineffectual boycott with a view to getting Polygon to retract the article. Polygon’s response was a teachable moment. They wrote an editorial telling Gaters what ethics in journalism actually is. http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/17/6996601/on-gamergate-a-letter-from-the-editor
            Since then Gamergaters have been citing the Society of Professional Journalists’ Code of Ethics while making it adamantly clear that it’s message was lost on them. There’s a reason why “it’s about ethics” is a running joke, regarding Gamergate it never has been, isn’t now and never will be.

          • Jack

            Polygon complains that GG doesn’t know what ethical journalism is, then proceeds to make changes and address issues raised by GG. What they’ve done is clear enough, though they know their demographic: people like you who count words and sentiment over action.

            Anita and Wu have decried games like GTA and Hatred from their inception, promoting them as dangerous with a very clear implication that they should not exist. It’s what leads to nonsense like petitions to have the game removed and harassment campaigns against the devs and any platform willing to host the game. You know, all of those things you claim are attempts to silence, right?

            Though, I keep forgetting, it doesn’t count when you do it. Ah, such hypocrisy.

            As the prominence of such games shows, your influence is small and devs are wildly aware of this.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You take the credit for that yourself do you? I think you overstate your supposed influence on a publication that the evidence shows holds your little group in utter contempt.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s what leads to nonsense like petitions to have the game removed

            Coming from a group that threatens boycotts when they get content they don’t like that’s rich.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Milo, Gonj and Cernovich may have towering contempt for their loyal Gamergate acolytes but they recognised their utility. They are their anonymous loser army-glad for even the smallest smidgen of positive attention even if it does come from people who despise them.

          • ginmar

            “The only place that calls AVFM a hate site is”…….the group that brought down the Klan, and continues to serve as one of the best sources for hate group information?

          • Jack

            Was worth looking up. I had taken your guys’ word at face value and I should have known better. Lesson learned. lol

            http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/05/15/intelligence-report-article-provokes-outrage-among-mens-rights-activists/

          • Matthew Lane

            Actually they don’t call AVFM a hate site. In fact if you go to their hate group map you’ll not AVFM is not on that list.

          • Michael Lindsay

            People using the term “ideological” the way you just did mean “an ideology that’s not mine”.
            And you don’t represent a hate group, you just hate Anita. Righto.

          • Jack

            The ‘everything is political’ crowd saying something isn’t political? That kind of bold-faced hypocrisy usually betrays what you’re hiding.

            Then you wonder why it’s laughed out of court when you call any kind of criticism ‘hate’.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s only Gamergaters doing the laughing, and they only do that to cover their snarling.

          • Jack

            Gamers aren’t the only ones laughing. That kind of hyperbole doesn’t hurt their targets, just their own credibility.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Gamergate =/= gamers. They’ve precious little to do with each other.

          • Jack

            Except the games. Oh, right I forgot. ‘Gamers are dead’.

            lol

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know that the phrase “gamers are dead” was invented by GG to rile themselves up, right?

          • Jack

            Nothing to do with “Gamers are Over”, “Death of an Identity”, or any of the other articles of similar vein posted.

            It’s like you’ve never stepped foot outside the hugbox.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes. Those articles are describing how the stereotype and exclusive identity are giving way to a a more adult and diverse community.

            They’re not saying gamers somehow are disappearing.

            Learn to read.

          • Jack

            Except that the community has always been diverse. People in gaming know this. Slacktivists outside of it find art they disagree with ‘problematic’ and didn’t realize that nearly half the demographic was present until directed to research showing this.

            People who know little of gaming and it’s community perpetuating generations-old stereotypes to sound edgy with the social justice crowd? Yeah, that’s pretty garbage.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then it’s good that the stereotype is dying, right?

            “People who know little of gaming”

            Leigh Alexander knows little about gaming? That’s what you’re going with? Really?

            Explain how saying that stereotypes aren’t true is “perpetuating a stereotype”, rather than the exact opposite.

            Do you feel your life would be improved if you could read an article?

          • Jack

            The stereotype was long and dying, then on comes along the social justice crowd crying to the world that not only does the stereotype still exist, but it’s somehow prominent.

            People like Leigh, people like you, are why the SVU episode exists.

            For everything you’ve tried to do in the past year, that’s the most you guys have accomplished. Enjoy it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So, saying that a stereotype is dying and no longer applies, prevents a stereotype from dying? LOL okay buddy

            Have you ever wondered why your cult makes you argue that up is down?

          • Jack

            You’re responding to me in a thread, on an article, one of many over the past 8 months, that has been decrying the existence and influence of this stereotype. Your narrative even made it onto commercial television.

            You people really have no idea what you’ve done. Though, that much is expected. Not many of you even game.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “that has been decrying the existence and influence of this stereotype. ”

            Yes? Because the stereotype is incorrect?

            by my narrative, do you mean Leigh Alexander’s belief that the games market is diverse and adult?

            “Not many of you even game.”

            I can’t imagine how deep the cult’s claws have gotten in your mind if you think that games journalists, games developers, and the people who follow them “don’t even game.”

            However, have you given any thought to how GG’s figureheads all don’t game, AND think gamers are pathetic?

          • Jack

            > The stereotype is incorrect.
            > GamerGate is what your narrative says it is.

            Pick one.

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahahaha wow this is great.

            Look, “GamerGate” is not synonymous with “gamers.” Most GG who use their real names are not gamers.

            Saying that gaming is diverse and adult, and that GG is misogynist and childish, is not contradictory.

            How can words be so difficult for you?

          • Jack

            GG is a bunch of soggyknees gamers that aren’t gamers that both do and don’t fit into the stereotype that doesn’t exist, but is ‘problematic’ in gaming culture.

            How do you people function in life?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “GG is a bunch of soggyknees gamers ”

            No, you’re just a misogynist.

            “that aren’t gamers”

            Judging by your leaders, yes.

            And the few of you that play games do not represent gamers.

            Okay. I;m going to try to explain this again. Gamers and Gamergate are not synonyms. That a stereotype does not apply to gamers has no bearing on what people say about gamergate.

          • Jack

            I’m a misogynist because I demand accountability in reporting on games media. Okay.

            If you want to cry about the arrow of time, then you’re going to have trouble claiming these people are leaders of something that existed before they got invovled.

            Though, that’s just the usual hypocrisy I suppose.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahahaha “cry”

            Look the fact that time itself offends you is a good sign you’re in a cult.

            “then you’re going to have trouble claiming these people are leaders of something that existed before they got invovled.”

            This is quite possibly the dumbest argument I have ever heard. You know that the United States existed before Obama got involved, right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, can we talk about hilarious it is to hear the term “hugbox” from a guy expressing anger that journalists said something he didn’t like?

          • Jack

            If you count collusion, corruption, political pandering, and utter lack of transparency ‘things I don’t like’, then sure.

            Though, I think you meant to deflect and shift goalposts again.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Collusion: GameJournoPros-journalists talking to each other.
            Corruption: Nonexistent sex for nonexistent reviews.
            Political pandering: Politics I don’t agree with.
            Someone really needs to come up with a GG to English ap.

          • Jack

            Oh lord. Really back to square one?

            Journalists sleeping with PR execs, literal payola, and Kuchera bullying people to conform? It’s okay because GG disagrees.

            Did Grayson and Quinn have sex? They admitted it, but the answer is no anyways. Was there positive coverage? Yes, but the answer is no anyways.

            Were games panned for political reasons or for scoring easy clicks from controversy? Common practice, but no, GG disagrees so it must be okay!

            I’m glad that people like you are the opposition. Anyone competent might have given us some trouble.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Pull the other one, if you lot were remotely interested in payola you guys would have made as much noise about the Shadow of Mordor debacle or, you know, the very reason for the existence of Giant Bomb.
            You’re not. It’s all about ethics in gossip about female developers with hair dye you don’t like!

          • Jack

            If we were really interested, we would have made noise about the things we made noise about? Thanks for validating us, I guess.

            This is great.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Did Grayson and Quinn have sex? They admitted it, but the answer is no anyways. Was there positive coverage? Yes, but the answer is no anyways.”

            Hahahahahahaha wooooooooow.

            The answer is that time moves in a linear forward direction, and Grayson was not able to travel back in time to give the positive coverage after they hooked up.

            You understand this, right? You understand that cause cannot come weeks after effect?

          • Jack

            Grayson’s name appears in the credits, but no, take his word for it. Listen and believe, right?

            You guys aren’t in stem for a reason.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? Grayson’s name in the credits proves time doesn’t move forward?

          • Jack

            It proves that the relationship precludes those articles.

            I understand that proof and facts are tools of the patriarchy and implements of toxic masculinity, but you need to pull your head out of the hugbox to talk to people outside of it.

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, it proves they knew each other. It proves nothing about the sexual relationship.

            Look, the only proof that’s relevant is the arrow of time.

            Please tell me you understand that time moves forward exclusively.

          • Jack

            It’s proof of an undisclosed relationship. He is given special credits in the game, in a very clear message about his involvement. You can argue about the timing of her legs spreading, but it doesn’t change that, or the fact that it wasn’t disclosed when he gave her game coverage.

            Bend and twist that however you want, the fact of the matter doesn’t change.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So you’re going to stop lying about her having sex for coverage, right?

          • Jack

            She had sex with someone that gave her positive coverage in an undisclosed relationship known to exist before he claimed it did.

            I know you like to listen and believe, but facts of the matter are what they are.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, so you’re going to stop lying about her having sex for coverage, right?

          • ginmar

            “Known” has a meaning, dipshit. It doesn’t mean, “cuz I want it, need it to be true, otherwise I look like a backboneless Elliot Rodger.”

          • ginmar

            Gee, look at that. Some sleaze lies about the girl who dumped him and all the angry unfuckables seize on it as revenge on every girl who will never fuck them, either.

          • Jack

            This is why your narrative is crumbling.

          • Jack

            Even if you remove the sex, the relationship is still a problem given it was undisclosed. Even SPJ commented on that much.

            I know that being obtuse is a defense mechanism, but cognitive dissonance is a sign you should pay attention to.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, so are you planning to stop lying about her having sex for coverage?

            It’s a simple yes/no question.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, except none of that happened with those articles. Don;t believe everything you see on Breitbart.

          • Jack

            The entire scope of the controversy isn’t grounded in those articles alone. I know that you guys only take second-hand from the hugbox, but if you actually care to learn much, we have a wiki for this stuff.

            gamergate.me

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, but we were talking specifically about those articles.

            Is it actually difficult for you to follow a Disqus thread?

          • Jack

            It’s not difficult to follow a Disqus thread, just difficult to keep up with moving goalposts.

            The articles echoed the same tone/narrative from people revealed to be colluding within the gamejournopros group.

            Don’t worry, I’m not going to count on your knowing or having even read those discussions.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahahaha okay well if they had the same “tone” then that’s definitely proof of corruption, that’s just how reality works.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, Gamejournospros was not “collusion.” Journalists talking about their work is not actually an ethical breach.

            how are you so bad at this

          • Jack

            Ben Kuchera was flat-out demanding that other people censor or redact their reporting.

            “Just talking about their work”

            How are you so blind as to support this stuff simply because your narrative demands overlooking it?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, he was asking people in the name of human decency to not allow dox on their sites.

            Look, I get that GG just can’t fucking deal with people disagreeing with them, but Kuchera can;t actually force anyone to do something they don’t want to on their sites. He wasn’t bribing Escapist to change a story. He was asking them to moderate their forum.

            You understand that grown-ups sometimes talk to each other, and that this isn’t some bizarre kind of corruption, right?

          • Jack

            Those sites aren’t chans, there was no doxing. Just discussions that they didn’t like.

            It didn’t take long for the narrative to crumble, which is why discussion is widespread now and Kuchera is on the backburner on games reporting.

            I understand that you likely haven’t read anything and are just taking second-hand from the hugbox, but there’s alot of damning stuff out of that group. Should probably give it a lookover.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, they were also pissed at people lying about a woman. Like you did tonight.

            Senior editor at a rapidly-growing website is on the backburner now?

            Okay, up is down, wrong is right, got it.

          • Jack

            Lying about things she either admitted to, or was demonstrated to be lying about? Okay.

            Keep moving those goalposts.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Did she admit to time travel?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, you legit have no idea when to use the goalpost fallacy, huh

          • Michael Lindsay

            Uh huh, and gamergate Based journalist Yiannopoulos said this.

            Few things are more embarrassing than grown
            men getting over-excited about video games.

            While Based Lawyer, Cernovich said this.

            I had never heard of “gaming media” until recently. Jesus Christ, guys, put down the fucking video games and stop reading retarded sites.

            They got triggered by the Gamers are Dead author because she was mocking Gamers while being a feminist. You can have all the seething contempt for computer games and their players that you like in Gamergate so long as you hate the SJWs!

          • Jack

            Oh, right. Nothing to do with what who they are (gaming journalists) and what they said (slandering gamers), but it was because it was a feminist. Right.

            Oh, I forgot that the feminists in GG aren’t ‘real’ feminists. Women just don’t know feminism as much as you privileged white guys do. Perfect sense.

          • Michael Lindsay

            “No U”, a gamergater said “no you”. drink
            Sommers isn’t a feminist because she works against the interests of women attending colleges in the United States. She’s a feminist in the same sense that Bjorn Lomborg is an environmentalist. E.G. She’s a professional troll who’s paid to muddy the waters in public debates. Also it isn’t “slander” to say that one core group of consumers need not be the audience of people creating computer games. That’s been true and was before Alexander penned her opinion piece. Citation: Your grandma playing on the Nintendo Wii.

          • Jack

            She works against the interests of women in colleges because you disagree with her? I guess the problem with accredited female academics in the field is that they just don’t know feminism as well as men like you do.

            I’m guessing there are no other minorities, women, feminists, or anything that the narrative doesn’t declare within the GG community either. Damn the reality of it all.

            The great thing about these topics is that your true colors are always quick to bleed through.

          • Michael Lindsay

            She works against them because she deliberately misrepresents the scope of the problem, by doing so she prevents reforms that would enforce their right to safety. Nothing to do with whether I disagree with her. Also “being female” does not automatically make a woman more feminist than a man. ISIS has female members, they aren’t more feminist than me by virtue of the fact that they’re female!

          • Jack

            Deliberately misrepresents the scope of the problem by deconstructing the narrative – because the environment fostering nonsense like the UVA rape hoax is more of what we need.

            You people don’t even understand what the problem is. Which makes sense, the way you dismiss everyone outside of the hugbox. No sense of how things in the world work.

            Though, I forget, the problem with feminists and minorities is that they don’t understand feminism and minority issues like privileged white slacktivists do. :)

          • Michael Lindsay

            You are referring to a single case, Sommers was referring to statistics applying to campuses across the US. Try to keep up.
            Sure I understand what the problem is, MRAs like you with their oppression fantasies claiming to represent all gamers which includes me and other people who think you’re nuts. All you represent is the whiny, entitled reactionary fringe of the web that’s terrified that change is happening. It is, and you can’t stop it-and that’s a good thing.

          • Jack

            Oh, I’m an MRA now? It’s alright. People like you have called me worse.

            I know how your type don’t care for uppity minorities that don’t know their place or women who believe they deserve autonomy.

            Gaming changes as it always has, but it’s not going the way you’re hoping. That’s a good thing. Freedom of expression in art is sacred and moral censors like you won’t have your way in stripping that.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yep, and we know how Gamergate treats minorities who won’t be their shield. Just ask BeninCitizen about his little dialogue with prominent Gamergater Zadok Allen. And then there are the Gamergate sympathetic folks who have views on minorities that make the Klan’s look tame like Theodore Beale and Weev.
            And yeah, the only people who call the Bjorn Lomborg of feminism, Sommers a feminist without being ironic are MRAs. You know why right wing think tanks hire people like Sommers and Lomborg to disingenuously claim to hold positions they don’t actually believe in don’t you? It’s to publicly undermine those positions. Not hard.

          • Jack

            “Prominent GamerGater”

            The guy has fewer followers than the average Skynet and he’s prominent? I think that’s just what you guys use to describe anyone you don’t like who did something bad.

            That is, right before you turn around and decry guilt by association for your own brood.

            You people define hypocrisy.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Gamergaters need X number of followers to be prominant GamerGater’s. For the purpose of defending GamerGate X must not be defined nor nailed down as the goalposts may need to be shifted at a future time.

          • Jack

            I was going to argue against the point, but you killed it pretty well yourself there.

            Not sure if you’re a troll account at this point.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Also, gotta love a fella who tut tuts me on how to address minorities who’s avatar is in blackface.

          • Jack

            Samuel L Jackson is blackface now?

            Never change, Antis.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well, it is a black mans face photoshopped on to a white guy so it’s not quite Samuel is it?

          • Jack

            It’s not some black man’s face, it is Samuel’s face. I know that your type can’t tell the difference at times, but come on.

          • Jack

            “Change is happening”

            It’s people with no sense of the history of gaming or it’s community who think that there is a lack of diversity or that women in gaming are at-all a new thing. That’s how we know you aren’t what you claim, because if you were, you’d know better.

            Things will change as they always do. Just won’t be as you hope. For the sake of the industry and our hobby, it won’t be as you hope.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It may be your hobby but you don’t own it any more than stamp collectors, mountain climbers or trainspotters own their respective verbs.
            And you can make unfalsifiable statements about your experience of the history of gaming or how you think things will turn out if that makes you happy but statistically women make up only 22% of the gaming industry workforce which is itself a huge improvement from a couple of years ago but there is a ways to go yet. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/percentage-of-female-developers-has-more-than-doubled-since-2009/1100-6420680/

          • Jack

            I’m not claiming to own the hobby. Then again, I’m not the one sweeping in trying to censor what I don’t like and carve the whole of gaming into some seperate-but-equal ‘safe space’ for people who know nothing about gaming to pass off as a new generation of hipsters.

            Go plague something else.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Jack, just a general point. I’ve no interest at all in debating with you in private. I am interested in challenging Gamergate’s version of events in public forums because I’m opposed what Gamergate does. This discussion has moved so far down the Disqus page that it’s no longer a public debate. If you are trying to sell your cause to me it should be pretty clear by this point that I’m not buying. I’ve nothing against debating privately as a general thing but I’ve no interest in doing it with you on this issue. If you do want to debate Gamergate privately might I suggest Against Gamergate on Reddit? It’s designed specifically for that purpose. Good night and be well, the last word’s yours.

          • Jack

            You’re just backing a crippled narrative that is woefully easy to refute.

            By all means, speak your piece. Despite best efforts, most of the information surrounding this scandal have been documented and archived. If the best you have is just empty parroting of things easy to prove wrong, then I’d love nothing more than for you to keep speaking.

            People like you are the best players on our team.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah-it’s true the SPLC has an ideology, they are opposed to haters.
            No surprise that’s an ideological standpoint you take issue with!

          • Jack

            I take issue with hypocrisy. It’s why I speak out against brazen hypocrites who hide behind false motives.

            It’s why I don’t care for people like you.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I could care less that you don’t care for me. If you really took issue with hypocrisy you’d have problems with a mob of people who say they’re for ethical journalism while trying to silence journalists they disagree with. The hysterical reaction of gamergaters to this article belies that canard, this is ethical journalism and it doesn’t make Gamergate look good!

          • Jack

            Oh yeah. Criticism is ‘silencing’. Disagreement is ‘hate’. Mocking is ‘oppression’. Getting called out on your bullshit is ‘hysteria’.

            Zero citation slander, hyperbole, and armchair psychiatry across one-sided reporting is ‘ethical’? This is why GG exists, and persists if for no other reason than the ineptitude of it’s opposition.

            Shameless, non-critical, reactionaries with no self awareness. People like you are the best players on our team.

            Hope you weren’t triggered by that.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well misrepresenting yourselves to get companies to drop advertising is an attempt to silence, so are-you know the death and rape threats.
            And GG exists because Baldwin was tittering at jokes suggesting that Zoe Quinn slept with the football team. No other reason.

          • Jack

            Telling companies that these sites no longer represent us isn’t ‘silencing’, nor is unsubscribing or otherwise denying our money and support.

            They still have their platform, they are still free to cry about whatever they want to, nobody is stopping them. They are not being oppressed and neither are you.

          • Michael Lindsay

            The archives for your super seekrit Gamergate operations are still up there on the web and they tell the Gamergate faithful not to identify themselves and to use burner accounts. That’s the trouble with doing your super duper seekrit “operations” on the World Wide web. The Wide World can see it being done. Doh.

          • Jack

            Super seekrit public access, right. Can’t even make up your minds on your strawmen anymore. Kinda just throwing anything to salvage the narrative, eh?

            What’s that? Facts? Oh no!

            http://chrisvoncsefalvay.com/2015/01/11/gamergate-4-population.html

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah, the fact that you can’t wipe your past misdeeds off the web. It’s all still up there, and it’s not going away.

            Kind of like those chatlogs where they were discussing doxxing a certain female game developer mentioned in this article!

          • Jack

            Right. Archive was forced to move it’s servers because the censors were trying to remove evidence of what they’ve done, but no it’s the public (and advertised) boards gamers hang around that are the problem.

            Okay.

            Zoe, barely relevant to the industry, represents female demographic moreso than the score of devs speaking out against the narrative. Supporting women in gaming by dismissing and slandering those you disagree with? Social progress!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Those chat logs are still there Jack. For all your soapboxing about ethics your first major “operation” was doxxing and harassing someone who wasn’t a journalist. The journalist did not get the same treatment. Says everything about what Gamergate’s true purpose is.

          • Jack

            Of course the chat logs are still around, nobody is trying to remove them. As opposed to concentrated efforts against sites like Archive.is because Antis don’t like having their past material held up against them.

            But hey, that’s not censorship. That’s ‘social justice’, right? Right.

            For a bunch of goony white beard men, you guys really like ignoring how the majority of criticisms are leveled at goony white beard men. Who’s using a shield again? lol

          • Michael Lindsay

            I have no problem with having what people say being archived, this ephemeral group called “antis” exists only in your imagination. I do have a problem when people archive the contact details of people because that is doxxing.

          • Jack

            A self-identified community of tumblrites with a backwater redit community hovering around a few key personalities and, as your kind are want to do, eating themselves when the hypocrisy reaches critical capacity.

            You sure as hell aren’t the ‘rest of the world’. That’s a good joke.

          • Michael Lindsay

            If you had just swapped “tumblrites” with “8chan trolls” you would have just perfectly described Kotaku in Action.

          • Jack

            Our dramas flare from time to time. Your dramas are explosive.

            Blockbots to block other people using blockbots? You people really do eat your own.

          • Jack

            Nathan Grayson is a journalist and the majority of the Anti crowd (and the journalists targeted) are well off goony bearded white men.

            All that ‘diversity’ you people clamor about. It is to laugh.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Seems an easier route for you to concentrate on the purported ethnicity and gender of your critics than the substance of their criticism. And you haven’t provided any sort of evidence for your claim, petty and off topic as it is. If that sort of thing makes you happy, laugh away.

          • Jack

            It’s easy because the only issue you bring up in response to claims is identity politic, and you can’t even get that right.

            Gamergate is about harassing women and minorities, while the mainstay of it’s opposition is white and male, and distinctly less diverse?

            Can’t make this shit up. You people are your own worst enemy.

          • Michael Lindsay

            The goal is-stop writing stuff we don’t like, be silent about stuff we don’t like. Also, making a sock and a burner account is telling the company that they no longer represent the person you’re pretending to be.

          • Jack

            None of the actions taken prevent people from speaking or remove their platform, but that’s the goal anyways. Just because.

            I’m sure that anyone not white is a sockpuppet, too – despite the bulk of the social justice slacktivists being exactly that. Also just because.

            Never change, Antis.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Methinks your deep understanding of the demographics of those you term “slacktivists” comes from a place where the sun don’t shine! I certainly remember how happy Gamergate was to be totally not racist when BeninCitizen refused to be Zadok Allen’s shield. https://imgur.com/NUWQS4P

          • ginmar

            Hoff-Somers is an acredited academic? Hahahahaha, she writes MRA porn.

          • Jack

            I understand that your type don’t have much for degrees outside of communications or gender studies, but come on, now.

            She’s a PhD, and that’s more than alot of you slacktavists will accomplish.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha I love how you’re critical of communications and gender studies, but think that a pH. D. in Philosophy from a private liberal arts academy makes someone a respected academic all by itself.

          • Jack

            Lower and higher degrees from two of the top 50 colleges in the us, published work, and written multiple articles across many of the most prominent newspapers in the world – but none of that counts because..

            ..probably because, from the sound of it, you don’t have much experience or knowledge of academia. It shows.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “published work,”

            hahaha yes so impressive that definitely isn’t the baseline expectation for candidates

            “the most prominent newspapers”

            LOL. Scott Adams has written for prominent newspapers. Real academics write for academia.

            “..probably because, from the sound of it, you don’t have much experience or knowledge of academia.”

            Sure whatever you say.

            Definitely keep saying that some woman who does not work in academia ans is not respected in any academic circles is a “respected academic” it for sure makes you sound like you’re on tenure track

          • Jack

            “Published work isn’t impressive.”

            “Real academics write for academia.”

            Pick one.

            Or better yet, try at least reading the wikipedia article or something. This is just embarrassing, guy. You’re a rhetoric parrot.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha holy shit learn to think.

            Yes, having published work isn’t impressive. If you haven’t published by the time you finish your pH. D. you’re going to be stocking shelves. Hell, I published during my Master’s.

            Having work that is influential in academia is.

            Please tell me you can understand this very basic concept.

          • Jack

            No, if you haven’t published, you don’t have your Ph.D. It’s.. pretty clear that you don’t know much about how this works.

            That’s just lazy. There is also no way in hell you got a Masters without doing any published work. Even low-rate universities wouldn’t suffer dead weight in their Masters program.

            You’re so desperate for an edgy comeback that you haven’t even bothered to look it up for your response. Christ, that’s just fucking lazy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “There is also no way in hell you got a Masters without doing any published work.”

            Read what I said again and notice how it says the exact opposite of what you so desperately pretend it did.

            Why is low reading comprehension such a common problem for GG?

          • Jack

            > Published during your Masters
            > Somehow got into a Masters program without publishing anything.

            I think you’re getting tired. It’s late.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “> Published during your Masters”

            Yes. Now let’s compare that to what you just said:

            “There is also no way in hell you got a Masters”

            See how you didn’t say what you imagined?

            Also, no, most undergrads do not publish until after they are in grad school. What journal would publish an undergrad?

          • Jack

            Perhaps it’s a stem thing, but I and most I know have had their names included in published work for contributions to research. It’s sort of an experience that you need to show competency with before most will bother taking you.

            Though, I imagine it’s different for liberal arts lol

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahaha STEMlords though, yeah, that’s not a sign that you feel inadequate constantly.

          • Jack

            Is some communications major really trying to talk down to a scientist? Oh, this is precious. Do continue.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, you’re just a manchild throwing a tantrum because it’s all that keeps you from realizing that your crushing sense of inadequacy is actually an accurate reflection of reality.

          • Jack

            Sweet jesus, now you’re trying to SHAME me for accomplishing more before I had my bachelors than you ever will with your barely-employable masters?

            Oh please don’t stop.

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahahaha sure sure you’re very accomplished and happy and think your life has value that’s why you spent 8 months lying about a woman because you think other women might have said something bad about your toys

          • Jack

            Quinn is mostly irrelevant outside of her attention grabbing. I realize the narrative demands otherwise, but the reality shows for what it is.

            Devs have spoken out in support, there are massive pushbacks against moral panic censorship, and even the FTC mentioned GG’s efforts in revising it’s policies.

            The best you’ve done is inflate patreon and inspire a cringeworthy SVU episode. I’m sure your parents are proud.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then stop lying about her.

            Haha okay sure Kern is a “dev” now.

            Google “GDC Gamergate comments” if you want to see how most devs feel about you non-gamers shitting up the hobby.

            “FTC mentioned GG’s efforts in revising it’s policies.”

            Nope.

            Even if they had, you realize how pathetic it is to list “forced people to write toy reviews I like more” as an accomplishment, right?

          • Jack

            Mark Kern, of the Vanilla WoW team. Not exactly small time.

            Though, like the women and minorities that speak against you, I understand that his identity is reduced to ‘unaccomplished desperate white man’ because the only thing that trumps your lack of self awareness is your capacity for hypocrisy.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahahah yeah, have you heard how it went when he tried to develop his own game?

            Nope, just unaccomplished desperate man. At least he owns the world’s best 3 million dollar promotional bus, bought with stockholder money for a game he never completed.

          • ReallyNotThough

            It’s funny how your science education didn’t prepare you to read a news article, though.

            Tell me more about how Leigh Alexander attacked her audience by calling them diverse and adult.

          • Jack

            The news article is reporting on something and you’re insisting on ignoring the part you don’t like to focus on the one line supporting what you believe.

            It’s pretty clear why you’re not in stem.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope. I’m insisting on ignoring your *imagination* of what the article is saying.

            Like with Gamers are Over. See, I read the real article, where she said gaming is diverse and adult.

            You played make-believe and pretended she said the exact opposite.

          • Jack

            It is literally saying that the reported incidents increased. It says that.

            I know you want really hard to believe it isn’t true, I realize the narrative is sacred, but that’s what it says. It’s right there.

          • ReallyNotThough

            haha okay champ

            Out of curiosity, do you know the difference between a news article and a study?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Also, please quote where it literally says this.

          • Jack

            Are you seriously daft? It says that reported incidents of bullying increased.

            It says this in direct contrast to incidents lowering in schools.

            Hell, even department of education says that only 8% of these programs are even evidence based. It shows.

            I understand that evidence and research are tools of patriarchal toxic masculinity, but come on.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please quote the exact text, as it does not say that.

            “Hell, even department of education says that only 8% of these programs are even evidence based. It shows.”

            Yet, you can’t find a single study showing this.

            “I understand that evidence and research are tools of patriarchal toxic masculinity, but come on”

            You get that of the two of us, I’m the one who posted an actual study, right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Like, you get that you wouldn’t have to make up words for others if you just quoted their words, right?

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m going to go out on a limb here and say you didn’t read the article at all; just copied and pasted it from CHS or Google.

            Am I wrong? Can you actually give me the quote where they claim what you say they do?

          • Matthew Lane

            No, she’s objectively an accredited academic. She could also be writing MRA porn (which she’s not, as no such thing exists), but that wouldn’t change the fact that she’s objectively an accredited academic.

          • https://instagram.com/nicolesashacarey/ Carol Danvers

            She says she’s a ”factual feminist” but is doing everything to be a ”cool” feminist which means accepting everything for male approval and forcing bio truth bullshit differences on men and women

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    • Calloway McSmithing

      Well, it’s a better comment than anything the ‘Gators are posting.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Spammer is actually better at self promotion too, despite being terrible.

        • ginmar

          Oh, look, i’m being brigaded. They’re so sweet. They think that makes them look good.

          • derpderpderp

            HAHAH NICE BOOK BITCH.

        • Jack Layton

          Yep, spam is better at self promotion, can i ask you, how many of us do you think there is? 100? 10000? maybe even 10000? Because as of October last year there were 1.6 million of us, including the fact that there are feminists in GG and at the time of the tally 57% of the GG’s were female, we are obviously all misogynistic terrorists like the news says we are who deserve the harassment that we also receive. That about sums it up? Or would you also like me to point out when we donated $71000 to a feminist charity about getting more females into games, on that Zoe Quinn harassed and tried to squash.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yes, that’s an awful lot of idiots-if your statement is true. That’s a big “if”. Also Just because Christina Hoff Sommers calls herself a feminist that don’t make it necessarily so, Shell Oil’s paid shill Bjorn Lomborg and Australia’s climate change denying, in the pocket of the Coal lobby, Prime Minister Tony Abbott both call themselves environmentalists. The owners of Answers in Genesis claim to run a “museum”.

            Ain’t necessarily so!

          • Jack Layton

            Ahh Australian politics fun, now we can all insult Tony Abbot. Although he did knight somebody, which is stupid, then decides to knight somebody whose not even Australian, because reasons. And i noticed in all that you could only argue with ONE of the people who are GG. I mean, i pointed out GG is more female than male and has donated money to a femenist organisation, but who cares. Those are points you can’t argue with so you will subsequently ignore them. Next you will be trying to tell me it was created to harass Zoe Quinn

          • Michael Lindsay

            He attempted to knight the Prince of Wales who was a tad nonplussed.
            I’m not aware of every GG E-celeb, I guess I’m poorer for the experience. Though my knowledge of Zadok Allen, Slade Villena, Karen Straughan, Mark Kern, Milo Yiannopoulos, Mike Cernovich and Theodore Beale who are all connected to this Gamergate thing makes me not want to meet any of them in meatspace-ever.
            Whereas a lot of the people identified by GGs as “antis”, Arthur Chu, Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian, Chris Kluwe, Luke McKinney, Brianna Wu and Jim Sterling all seem to me to be perfectly reasonable people I’d be comfortable sharing a beer with.

            Different strokes for different folks I guess.

          • Jack Layton

            Okay, admittedly there are a few of the figure heads of GG who i don’t really like from what i see of them, and admittedly i did donate to FF when it first came out, and while i felt that it could do with some facts and the other half of the series, i do still support FF. I do believe that games can and are sexist at times. However i more strongly believe in improving ethics in journalism, and then having them call me a terrorist stretches my loyalty.

            I guess, as you said, to each there own

          • Michael Lindsay

            There’s nothing wrong with donating to a game that takes ages to come out, hell I’m still waiting on Torment: Tides of Numenera. I have nothing against consumer rights or wanting ethics in journalism.
            But ethics in journalism doesn’t cover the EG/ZQ drama which was scuttlebutt and smoke over nothing from an ethics in games journalism standpoint. It also doesn’t cover Sarkeesian’s videos as she’s a cultural critic-not a journalist.
            Frankly if GG was about ethics in games journalism first and foremost and that’s what was being passed around the table in GG hubs like KiA-instead of subreddit drama and self congratulations over a Supreme Court decision that requires prosecutors to prove intent in cases of online harassment then I’d have no problem with them. As it is, I think Luke McKinney from Cracked put it best.

            If you want to campaign against corruption in video game journalism, fantastic! You’ve chosen the most luxurious righteousness on Earth. But joining #gamergate is like marching under Sauron’s flag because you’re worried about Minas Tirith’s feudal inheritance of rulership. Even if you’re claiming more enlightened motivations, you’re charging with a stinking mob intent on ruining everything, unleashed by a raging asshole.

            END quote!

          • Jack Layton

            And i’m guessing that this ‘raging asshole’ would be Adam Baldwin? I mean, he created the GG name, and still supports it, despite the harassment he has received. And tell me, have you heard of Women Action Media? They are a feminist group who did a study about the harassment tweets and found only 12% of them were sent by people connected to GG. Or Newsweek, who did a similar thing and selected 5000 tweets, 257 tweets were harassment from anti GG, 72 from pro GG.

            P.S. how did you do the quote thing?

          • Michael Lindsay

            12% for one hashtag is still pretty high, given that gamergate is a pretty specific movement and that 12% is out of all the harassing tweets. Can’t comment on the Newsweek thing as I haven’t seen the article in question.

            To do html tags in Disqus you use these parentheses , the one for quotes is “blockquote”, “i” for italics and “b” for bold.

          • Jack Layton

            I thought the same thing with the 12% as well, but remember. This is 12% of the harasment tweets under GG, not 12% of all GG tweets, the two things are not the same.

            test test test

          • Kendall Raine

            Adam Baldwin isn’t even a gamer, he’s just a right-wing lunatic who latched onto GG because he saw it as a right-wing ideology, which should tell you something.
            “anti-gg” isn’t even a thing, nobody I know who thinks GG is stupid even describes themselves as “anti-gg,” they just think the whole thing is stupid.
            Plus, your claim requires a lot more information, the methods, the sample size, etc. Not everyone who does a “study” does it correctly, in a scientific way, or is peer-reviewed.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And yet Jack, the public perception of your movement hasn’t improved at all. Maybe it’s because “GamerGate” has been cemented with “online harassment” in the public imagination which has nothing to do with your numbers, your demographics or whether people have done bad things to your members-all of which is utterly irrelevant to the fact that you are, in fact, a movement defined mostly by the online harassment done in it’s name.
            Blame the media I guess.

          • Jack Layton

            Ahhh good so you will reply and ignore my points, not just reply than block me like so many do.

            Yes, because obviously a MISOGYNISTIC HATE GROUP donates to charity, called FYC (Fine young capitalists), i mean, remember when Hitler donated to the Jewish pharisees (Obvious sarcasm is obvious). And lets remember that every MISOGYNISTIC HATE GROUP has more women then men, and has feminists in it, including Christina Sommers. Yes, this movement that has more women than men, feminists and donates to feminism charity is obviously a misogynistic hate group. And when looking at women targeted who else to look at than the media, who is 80% more likley to picture women as victims.

            P.S. I do acknowledge that women can and are harrassed, but that is a 2 way street. Just as many (If not more because remember no GG supporter has been implicated in serious harassment claims, while some of GG’s opposition have) people in GG are harassed.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Doing good stuff does not annul that tag in and of itself.
            Doing good things does not cancel out bad things, convoluted character alignment systems in tabletop RPGs notwithstanding, the fact that Hitler liked dogs does not justify him being judged primarily as a man who was nice to dogs.

            No I’m not comparing you to Adolf-or AD&D, it’s an analogy.

          • Jack Layton

            I agree, for example, the fact that these women have been harassed does not make these people, good people. Or the fact that they have done make the harassment okay. But remember, you are looking at it from the medias POV. Or, you are not taking an objective look at the issue, you have your answer and the evidence i bring up does not change your answer. You have already decided the outcome of this discussion before it has taken place. But think about it from an Objective POV (point of view). one side claims it is a misogynistic hate group, while not acknowledging the harassment it receives and bringing no creditable evidence (Funnily enough that may seem one sided, but is a true analogy) and the other side claims to be about ethics in journalism (which would explain the media calling them nasty stuff) and has donated $71000 to charity, while at the same time bringing sources

          • Michael Galleher

            In their heyday in te 1920’s the KKK often held charity drives, donated food to poor people etc . Heck they even once did a charity baseball event in KS where they played a professional negro league team and hired Catholic priests as umpires.

            It in no way meant they were not also a murderous hate groups. At this point anyone flying the GG banner has to own the fact that they are minions of an emotionally distubed man who wanted to punish a woman for breaking up with him

          • Jack Layton

            You might want to be careful of America then… The American Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is a government funded agency whose purpose, among other things, is to ‘protect the consumer’. They recently updated their affiliation links (basically who you have personal connections with) and blatantly said GG was the cause of this. I believe that they have an example purely for video game journalists/reviewers. So, the 2 sides have 2 different backings. Anti-GG has freelance journalists and GG has a government funded organisation made to protect consumers.

          • Kendall Raine

            Christina Sommers isn’t a fucking feminist lol, she just labels herself as one to avoid criticism for her anti-feminist beliefs. She believes that boys shouldn’t even be allowed to play with dolls. I thought you guys were all about equality for boys and yet you support her. Yeah, that’s a real feminist for you. More like a spokesperson for a right-wing think tank.
            GG’s origins WERE a harassment campaign, that’s the key difference. Hell there’s screenshots of people admitting that they deliberately are trying to make it about “ethics in game journalism” to mask the harassment campaign. If it’s about ethics in game journalism then actually try focusing on that, instead of constantly obsessing over one woman in a flannel shirt just for criticizing you. Women are allowed to criticize video games, yes, that includes from a feminist perspective…deal with it

          • Madfoot713

            Why do liberal retards think criticism is harassment?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh man, everyone’s irony meters just melted down to the planet’s core.

            This from Gamergate who howl with indignity every time someone critiques their bowel “movement”!

          • Madfoot713

            I dunno, why are only DemocRAT congresscritters talking about “Gamergate”? Demoncrats have never met a thing they don’t want to ban.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Unlike say abortions, teaching evolution in schools, research into climate change, gay marriage or recreational marijuana use?
            Also, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch don’t care-so that answers the first part of your question!

          • Madfoot713
          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah sure, they have no problem with it.
            Except the five Republicans the Koch’s are considering for backing kind of do.

            Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio and Scott Walker.

            Money talks louder than words with these guys.

          • Madfoot713

            Why are libtards so paranoid of the Koch brothers, but don’t care about George Soros?

          • Michael Lindsay

            I guess if your assertion that the Koch’s are totally groovy with not banning stuff just got squished by having it pointed out that they enthusiastically back a bunch of ban happy Republicans a non sequitur or two won’t go astray!

          • Lazerfrog

            Why do conservative dispirits think publishing lies about someone is criticism?

    • ReallyNotThough

      TBH, if Gators fell for the whole “sex for coverage” and “ethics in toy reviews” thing, I can’t blame spammers for thinking they’d fall for pyramid scams.

  • kelleth

    To be honest, Has even come out to say Gamergate was hs own private army? wasn’t that shit already underway when this shit happened? sound more like its lazily slapped together to form a narrative. If he confessed in court and some one has footage please share.

    • Mr Corrections

      Yes – I agree that everyone in GamerGate was already a creepy stalker asshole BEFORE GamerGate existed.

      • kelleth

        Yup its how the net works

        • hams

          Nope, I’m on the internet right now, and I’m not stalking anyone or writing huge essays about hurt feelings, or sending death threats. It’s not ‘the internet’ it’s very specific people that use the internet.

          If someone robs a bank you don’t say “that’s the world outside!” and walk away. You say “that was a bank robber!” and call the cops.

          The psychos stopped being anonymous when they started to organize under a name.

          • kelleth

            Stalking on the net implies actually doing anything on the net concerning a thing or person you stand against, even coming back to reply to someone. That is the main complaint I keep seeing pop-up concerning GamerGate. Either way, It was a sarcastic joke and a waste of your time.

            You needn’t explain to me the obvious boundaries between reality and the internet, it much appreciated though :)

          • hams

            “even coming back to reply to someone. ”

            So when you replied to me you were stalking me? Does that mean we’re stalking each other? Are you sure you have a grip on reality?

            It’s not a sarcastic joke, your casual dismissal of abuse as being an inevitable product of ‘da internets’ brings your morality into serious question. I wonder where you draw the line with the things that the internet does. When do you stop saying ‘oh it’s just the internet’ and take it seriously? I guess death threats don’t count so I’m really wondering. Feel free to pick out whatever looks easiest to respond to and ignore the rest.

        • Mr Corrections

          No it goddam isn’t.

  • Nuge

    Are the morons below me still arguing over this crap? Can we all just accept the fact that Eron needs to grow a spine who needs to come to terms with the fact that he was betrayed and Quinn is a blithering attention whore? We should move past this and focus on more important measures in the gaming industry.

    • Pitchguest

      There is such a thing as multi-tasking, you know.

      • TiberiusNugicus

        There is such a thing called distractions.

    • Michael Lindsay

      So his problem isn’t that he’s an obsessive stalker, it’s that he “needs to come to terms with the fact that he was betrayed”.

      He already thinks he was betrayed, that’s why he’s a crazy stalker. Thanks for playing.

      • TiberiusNugicus

        Do you have any evidence that he psychically stalked her? It’s clear he hasn’t accepted the fact that people are like her.

        • ReallyNotThough

          “physically”

          wow look at those goalposts fly past

          • hams

            LOL

            ‘Cant we just move on already?’

            ‘HANG ON A MINUTE, ERON IS A SAINT’

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Did I say he was a saint? Straw man much?

          • hams

            “Straw man much?” MELVIN LEVELS RISING DANGEROUSLY!!
            Seriously search twitter for ‘straw man much?’ and see how 99.9% of them are dumbass dweebs. Obviously I’m making fun of what a hypocrite you are. If you require further education on the subject simply look around the thread at the hundreds of posts owning the shit out of you melvins.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I think you’re confusing me with pretentious hipsters who think they know how the world works just because the took a semester in social sciences. At least that’s what I notice about most people who say “straw man” on Twitter. “Melvin?” I take it your insults haven’t updated from a playground standard, you silly little load catcher.

          • hams

            I’m not sure how any of that makes you look any less of a tryhard nerd though… You tossed out straw man first yet seem to have a very low opinion of people who use it….nice.

            Sorry ‘melvin’ doesn’t live up to your obviously extremely high standard for insults (silly load catcher, really?). But it suits you all so well. If I was going to complain about the internet for any reason it would be the way it empowered socially maladjusted disphits to think their imagined brainpower is a good replacement for a personality or individual thoughts. Like ya’ll literally think the way forward is to ‘outnerd’ your opponents.

            Well I pointed out how you were being a hypocrite and you still haven’t managed to work your way back to that, should I assume you’ve given up? Let me know melvin.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Sorry but the term “nerd” has really lost it’s edge as an insult especially considering that they pretty much run the world. Chances are your current employer has called that in highschool. So what straw man did I make? I don’t have a low opinion of people who use it, only certain people who do so.

            If you’re over the age of 18 and still honestly believe “nerd” is an insult then you really haven’t mentally matured much. I never tried to “outnerd” you or anyone else. I don’t consider myself superior solely due to the fact that I like gaming and anime. I only stated a fact.There’s no need for you to reflect your insecurities onto others like a school yard bully whose stuck with an abusive alcoholic father.

            “Hypocrite.” Your use of the word only proves that you have a limited understanding of the term. I hope you get prostate cancer in your gums person who I hope drops dead of a stroke the day before his or her daughter gets married.

          • hams

            “considering that they pretty much run the world. ”

            This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. Nerds don’t run shit except for a handful of companies that make up a very very small percentage of any country’s gdp. You think Vladimir Putin watches fuckin DBZ? You think Warren Buffet sits around playing xbox? Yet you nerds still hugely over-value your position in society. I’m not saying it’s wrong to like those things, but you melvins are just so convinced that you’re smarter than everyone else but the vast majority of you fail to demonstrate it in any way whatsoever. Some nerds are accomplished, but it’s not being a fuckin nerd that got them to the top. People who like fishing don’t rule the world, just some people who rule the world like fishing. Get it?

            I guess you haven’t had many jobs? Most ’employers’ are 40+, there’s not exactly a lot of 50 year old dudes cruisin the manga section at Borders.

            ” So what straw man did I make?” Read more closely, I’m mocking you for the nerdy way you talk, and your inability to get when you’re being mocked.

            “If you’re over the age of 18 and still honestly believe “nerd” is an insult then you really haven’t mentally matured much.”
            Wow who would have thought that was a reliable indicator of maturity. It clearly bothers you that I use it since you’re trying to defend ‘nerds’.

            Btw, saying ‘straw man much’ and then going on a rant about all the hipsters who use ‘straw man’ in arguments…I mean how do you not see that as hypocritical and/or ironic?

            The second you tried to shoehorn a logical fallacy accusation into me insulting you, you were trying to ‘outnerd’ me. I’m sorry that you haven’t socially matured enough to escape melvin-hood, but you’re just gonna have to deal with it.

          • Pitchguest

            You’re mocking “nerds” and “dweebs” even though Zoe Quinn herself describes herself as a “nerd”? Good job.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’ll be honest, before GG, I would have taken issue with hams too.

            But yeah, turns out there is a strain of nerd culture that is violently misogynist and stupid as all hell, so I couldn’t care less anymore.

            We live in a world where a critic was harassed by GG for weeks because he rated a toy too low. Fuck nerds and fuck anyone who places their self-worth in their toys.

          • hams

            Nah I’m mocking the self-important nerds who think they’re a group of special snowflakes uniquely suited to rule the world.

            Be quiet nerd, you’re boring me with your inability to read.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            So you’re using the precise insults that some GGers make?

          • hams

            In this case, the shoe fits

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I’m sure many GGers would think the same way.

          • hams

            I’m sure many GGers have a very poor grasp on the concept of thinking.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well Gamergate is roundly disliked by most self described nerds as well. Witness the annoyance by participants in the Hugos over Gamergate pooing all over their awards at the behest of women-hating facist Vox Day. Hell RPG.net where they discuss Dungeons and Dragons and like games ban discussion of GG altogether. Gamergate is trying it’s darndest to swap the hard earned image of nerds as being sincere and smart if shy and replace them with old stereotypes of women hating basement dwelling misfits.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            There’s an “s” in fascist.

          • Michael Lindsay

            There’s a dearth of substance in your comebacks. Work on them.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            There’s a dearth of matter between your legs.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh look it’s flinging poop. While it’s trying to talk.

            It thinks it’s people.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I couldn’t help it. You’ve look hungry as of late considering you seem to be eating out of the rear of almost every commenter in this thread.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And this is why you fail. There was a topic there. That was too hard so you’re back to flinging poop.

            Sad little monkey.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Apparently I’m not the only one.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            The little pissbaby is mad.

          • hams

            You’ve got about the same chances of making me mad as you do arguing your way out of a wet paper bag (sorry, it’s not looking good)

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha says the guy randomly accusing people of being rape victims.

            Christ, sort your life out.

            This is why neither I, nor anyone, feel like “nerd” is an identity to be proud of anymore.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            It’s not my fault you pandered to some ideological trend that’s been going on lately. Sheesh, when did progressives become such puritanical dicks.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha try responding again in a way that in any way makes sense as a reply to my comment.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I’m not from GG you hypocritical little troll. That’s difficult for you to wrap you tiny little head around isn’t it. It’s not as much as an accusation as it is an observation. Just admit you were touched by a person of color and it would be easier for all of us. It’s no good to continue to deny it.

          • Michael Lindsay

            (Spouts GG talking points)

            I’m not from GG I swear. Pinkie swear, promise.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I’m not hear to suck you off. Don’t you have a boyfriend for that?

          • Michael Lindsay

            And he’s a homo hater. Can I say I’m surprised?
            The best you’ve got is that I’ve made multiple comments on this article, which you’re calling out after making multiple comments. (golf claps) Unlike you I’m open about who I support, unlike you who won’t even own the fact that he’s on the same side as the women hating, gay hating little gamergate fascists. Have your last word. To me anyway. I’m sure you’ve got plenty of poop to toss.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! Fascists? Now you’re just being silly. Something tells me you call everyone that who disagrees with you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Are you actually confused about Baldwin, Milo, Cernovich, and Vox Day’s ideology?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            As someone whose frequently argued with Fascist types, like white nationalists, I can honestly say their opinions are barely close to controversial.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Really? You don;t think Cernovich’s belief that straight men don’t get AIDS is controversial? How about Baldwin’s belief that vaccines are a government plot or that Obama wanted to bring Ebola into the states?

            Or Vox Day’s support for acid attacks on women seeking higher education?

            No controversies there?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I’m pretty sure Mike Cernovich was referring to risk not that it was impossible for straight men to contract AIDS. I personally think Adam Baldwin is a doofus. I wasn’t aware of his anti-vaccination stance. And let’s be honest: no one likes Vox Day.

          • hams

            I mean, it looks to me like you might be a little upset about this. I don’t know why since you claim to not be on either side.

            Maybe you’re just one of those trolls who turns into a lolcow when their trolling isn’t working? Whatever the case, your impotent rage and predictable insults are pretty funny to watch. Anyways, carry on with your meltdown, I’ll get some popcorn.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Said the person would make an entire pissy mini-essay about “nerd.”

          • hams

            It’s ok kiddo, you can go play with your army men now.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            K.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Have fun with your pop corn. I’m done with you.

          • hams

            I will, have fun with being a fuckin nerd

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay then.

          • ginmar

            No, you just recite ALL their excuses and parrot their justifications. Totally a coincidence.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            What excuses did I make?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I never said it was okay to harass Zoe Quinn. I just stated I don’t feel bad about her.

          • ginmar

            Yeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhh……

          • Mr Corrections

            To be fair, that’s just because you’re a dumb asshole, with dumb asshole opinions.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            It’s not my falt she make herself so unsympathetic.

          • Mr Corrections

            And it’s not my fault you’re a dumb asshole.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Someone upset.

          • Mr Corrections

            Nah. But someone’s a dumb asshole (hint: it’s you).

          • TiberiusNugicus

            ..and butthurt apparently.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m not hurt that you’re a dumb asshole. It doesn’t affect me in the slightest.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Here’s this may help: http://www.preparationh.com/

          • Mr Corrections

            Here this may help: you’re a dumb asshole.

          • TiberiusNugicus
          • Mr Corrections

            That’s probably hilarious, if I spoke dumb asshole.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            The poor wittle manbaby is angry.

          • Mr Corrections

            Again, nah. I just wanted you to know that you’re a really dumb asshole, with really dumb asshole opinions.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Were you by any chance gang raped by a pack of nerds when you were in highschool by any chance? You sound really bitter. Like as if you had a girlfriend who left you so she can blow a trekkie. “nerdy” way I talk? I’m pretty sure bringing up a straw man isn’t nerdy. If it is then pretty much every every academic on the planet is a nerd.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Did you by any chance not have a coherent reply?

            But, Mr Golden Mean I’m Totally Not a GamerGater you’re making your cause look swell.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Oh the irony of your statements. Do you have anything better to do besides replying to every single comment made in this thread for the past few days?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Says the man who’s spent all morning replying.

            Back to the topic yes? Or are you just here to toss poo?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Said the little boy whose spent the whole week replying. Would it matter what topic we were discussing? It seems you keep getting distracted by sucking other commentors off.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Said the guy whose spent all WEEK replying. I could say the same about you.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            A new comment was made and you already made a reply to his where you basically stuff his mushroom head in your mouth.

          • Michael Lindsay

            A coherent reply, c’mon man. Try.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Don’t you have a depiction of a skimpy clothed woman you need to have a miscarriage over?

          • hams

            Dear Melvin,

            LOL again trying to out-nerd me with the straw man shit! It’s not a straw man, It’s not even ad hominem. I’m just winding you up. I’m making fun of you and ignoring whatever your original argument was because A: I’ve already crushed it and B: It wasn’t important to begin with.

            Wait so you’re an academic, is that what you’re implying? I’d LOVE to hear about your area of expertise. Anime boob physics? A detailed history of when babies ragequit? MMO economics with a minor in masturbating into a sock?

            Academics don’t talk like that because it makes them look like a freshman philosophy major. It’s some ‘aha gotcha’ bullshit that nobody takes seriously because it takes about 3 brain cells to fart it out.

            As long as you keep raging I’m going to keep calling you a nerd.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Alright then.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            “Nerd” “dweebs”

            You were touched by your gym teacher weren’t you?

          • hams

            hooo another rhetorical stunner from GG! Accusing someone of being a victim of child abuse, home fuckin run for GG!!! wow!

          • ReallyNotThough

            No, you tried to pretend that his obvious stalking wasn’t actually stalking, because your cult flat-out won’t allow you to live in reality.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! What cult would that be? I’m not part of GamerGate if that’s what you’re assuming.

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahaha sure sure

        • Michael Lindsay

          Psychically stalked her?
          Nah if I’d won the Randi challenge I’d be spending my million bucks.
          What do you care anyway Mr Golden Mean non Gamergater official Neutral party?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            My apologies. I meant “physically.” I haven’t been getting much sleep.

        • ginmar

          No, we only have his 9000-word screed in which he made shit up because she scorned him, instead of vice versa. Plus his subsequent lies and harassment.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Because Zoe Quinn has been so innocent as of late. Right? I personally don’t think she slept with that many guys behind his back but whats happened to her couldn’t have happened to a nicer person.

          • raveur

            You don’t think she did? She admitted it herself https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/blue.jpg

          • raveur
          • ginmar

            Same lies, loser. Are you REALLY that stupid, brat?

          • Matthew Lane

            Actually ever word has since been confirmed, mostly by Zoe her self.

    • videmus

      Eron needs to be locked up like the people who started the Baltimore protests. Those who sow the seeds of violence in others cannot go unpunished.

      • TiberiusNugicus

        He’s not going to be locked up no matter how much you whine about it.

        • Mr Corrections

          He’ll never work in the game industry again, assuming he ever really did in the first place.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Um, okay.

          • Mr Corrections

            I know you’re a dumb asshole, but that’s a good thing! Fuck that creep, and fuck all of GamerGate – none of them deserve any sympathy, and in an ideal world they would be run out of town to starve in the woods.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You’re not very versatile with your insults are you?

          • Mr Corrections

            In fact, I am – you’re just not worth bothering with.

    • ginmar

      Yeah, it’s funny how Gators believe ANY sleazeball loser but no women EVER tell the truth, ever. No double standard here, though.

    • Daniel Hemingway

      Thank you. Mind you, if only because the gag order is illegal and Eron’s interview was butchered in this hit-piece (And I’ll admit pure sympathy for those eyes *Swoons*), I like to keep an eye on what’s up with his legal issues.

      As for Quinn? I haven’t given her half a thought since August. Tends to happen when I find out someone goes to Something Awful- I tend to think of them as scum of the earth.

      • Mr Corrections

        What legal basis do you have to assert the gag order is “illegal”? What are your legal qualifications? Just curious!

      • ReallyNotThough

        You get how a court gag order is legal, by definition, right?

        How are GG this bad at everything.

      • Mr Corrections

        Hi! I’m still wondering why you are claiming the gag order is illegal!

        Obviously you’re a graduate of Harvard or some other prestigious law school, so I was also hoping you’d clarify what your legal qualifications were.

        Thanks!

        • Daniel Hemingway

          Here you go:

          https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23

          That covers why I consider the gag order illegal.

          • ginmar

            So…..the blog of another gator who swallows everything Jgonji says. Totally neutral source there, obviously.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            I gave a source that answered the question of why I think the gag order is illegal.

          • ginmar

            You gave a “source” that said what you wanted. That’s not a source, that’s yet another gatorhole. He could say you’re a pony for all I care. Go back to your mommy.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Oh, and as well. let’s talk about the trial. An important point is that the judge who issued the order was anything but impartial. Eron himself was not allowed to testify, and his lawyer was not allowed to cross-examine. In effect, the judge only listened to Quinn’s side, as it’s the only side he allowed himself to hear.
            The issue I personally see with the order isn’t that it was issued, but that due process was ignored in issuing it. This is likely the biggest fact supporting the order being illegal.

          • Mr Corrections

            That is a stupid fucking article, and nothing in it says that the gag order is in any way ‘illegal’. It is, and will remain, completely legal and enforceable.

            I guess it does confirm my analysis that you have your opinions spoonfed to you by people who aren’t any better at thinking, though.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            OK, here’s it in English: Yes. A judge cleared it, so it’s legal.

            However, and this is a big however, the order violates his 1st amendment right to free speech. He is not allowed to talk about the abuse he suffered, or refute any lies told about him by his abuser, because that person convinced a judge that his being able to do so posed a direct risk to their safety.

          • Mr Corrections

            It does not “violate his 1st amendment right to free speech”. Only a cretin thinks that right is absolute.

            I hope that helps!

    • harx1

      That’s what you take away from this? See, what I took away was the fact that Eron is a twisted sad human being who was unable to accept the fact that a woman had her own agency and didn’t want to be with him anymore. So, instead of saying that’s life, he specifically attempted to destroy her.

      • TiberiusNugicus

        I think there’s a difference with not wanting to be with someone and cheating on him.

      • raveur

        Own agency? Good job minimizing this: https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/blue.jpg

        • ginmar

          Um, so you think posting that sad little wankstain’s stains again is going to make anybody else who’s not a pathetic little wanker themselves believe his bullshit? She was right to dump him. He’s a horrible excuse for a manbaby, but his defenders are even worse.

        • harx1

          Yes, and?

  • Andrea Porzio

    as a neo-converted anti-GG I suggest we organize our own meeting. if those hateful and sad people of GG did their private convention, we should meet each others as well, after all the truth is on our side.

    • Michael Lindsay

      So I take it you really are just here to signal boost and you have no opinion on the article?

    • ReallyNotThough

      Those already exist. They’re called “gaming conventions.”

    • Wolfister

      m8, gamergate won already. We got the journalists to install ethics already. We’re watching over them now, and I love how you still think that you have a chance despite lying and lying and lying.

      • ginmar

        God, you’re so delusional you need meds.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Thinking that they are winning is necessary for group cohesion. Proof that they aren’t only makes them think that harder. Same phenomenon happened with some Mormons when Joseph Smith’s multiple prophecies didn’t come to pass.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Honestly though, I kind of like this delusion where as soon as people stop caring about anything they have to say, they decide they actually won months ago.

          Yes GG, you heroes made everything ethical forever, go away now.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Well, no. Because Kotaku and Polygon haven’t updated their ethics policies, journalists still run around insulting us and people go to the effort of making trash Discus accounts.

            Also, “People stop caring.” No, look at IGN, the Escapist and TechRaptor, they actually updated their policies.

          • Mr Corrections

            Why do you think that retrospectively justifies harassing a woman who is not a journalist? How many more threats, approximately, do you think it will take until the websites associated with your childish hobby has “ethical” “journalists”?

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Show me proof of someone on Gamergate harassing a woman. Beyond some stupid troll, I mean an actual member who’s notable.

            I can wait.

          • ginmar

            That’s hilarious. How about Jgonji? Your idol?

          • Daniel Hemingway

            It’s Eron. And I asked for proof, not you getting his name wrong despite it being in the article we’re discussing.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here’s the most followed GG threatening to dox and write a hit-piece about Randi Harper:

            https://twitter.com/Nero/status/591406260014215168

            Do you want more examples? You know why Roguestar was banned, right?

          • Daniel Hemingway

            After Randi organised a blocklist and sent her followers to attack anyone who had a different opinion from her.

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahaha huh I could swear I saw some goalposts around here a second ago

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, can’t you work Google? What else has GamerGate ever done? What caused this alleged shift in behaviour by “gaming” “journalists” that you are taking credit for, if not a desire to avoid being constantly harassed by lunkhead cretins like you?

            Also you didn’t answer my second question.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            I won’t answer your question until you answer mine- namely, you have yet to actually tie any harassment to Gamergate beyond “Google it.”

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re in denial, but I don’t have time to debate whether the Earth is round with you. GamerGate is a known hate group no matter how much you pretend otherwise, and the reason you won’t answer my questions is because you are both stupid and delusional, and hence unable to.

            I hope that helps!

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Oh, so because you say so, without giving anything that even resembles something to back your frankly cute claims beyond “I say so so shut up,” I have to say it’s a hate movement. How about you actually show me Gamergate’s a hate movement already? I mean, if it is, there must be MOUNTAINS of evidence after nine months.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re in denial, but I don’t have time to debate whether the Earth is round with you. GamerGate is a known hate group no matter how much you pretend otherwise, and the reason you won’t answer my questions is because you are both stupid and delusional, and hence unable to.

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Also, for a “Hate movement” you sure are abusing me, what with calling me stupid, delusional and in denial, whereas here I am simply responding. You really are a stand up guy. And as I said, I won’t answer your question until you answer mind- dismissing it proves one thing, and only one thing.

            Your argument has no factual evidence to draw on, whereas mine does. And through that, I deduce one thing: That my point is true, whereas yours is not.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that you’re in denial, but I don’t have time to debate whether the Earth is round with you. GamerGate is a known hate group no matter how much you pretend otherwise, and the reason you won’t answer my questions is because you are both stupid and delusional, and hence unable to.

            (Is this sinking in yet?)

          • Daniel Hemingway

            … I’ve spent a long time trying to come up with enough sarcasm to respond to this, but I’ll just say this: Copy pasting your own response makes you look lazy, and too cowardly to engage in an actual debate.

            So screw you for being a coward, screw you for never actually showing me GG harassment (It took someone else to do that), and screw you for being an egotistical prat.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s cute that a woman-hating coward like you thinks they are in a position to call other people cowards.

            I’m sorry that your head is fucking broken and that nobody likes you.

            I hope that helps!

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Wow. Saying I hate women (Citation needed) and that I’m a coward (Citation needed), and then basically saying I’m retarded. And I’m in a position to call you a coward because you never proved GG harassment. Meanwhile, when you challenged me on the gag order, I actually got links- a damn site more than you did. Which isn’t what a coward would do- if I was a coward (I’m not), I’d have fled or not provided links- or I could have posted the same comment twice because you think that that’s so edgy.

            Well fuck you too, you passive aggressive prick.

            tldr: You have no fucking ground to stand on in calling me a coward.

          • Mr Corrections

            I no more need to provide a citation than I would have to if I’d called a KKK member a racist.

            You’re a vile piece of shit.

            I hope that helps!

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Lessee, there’s Adam Baldwin sending animal torture imagery to FreeBSDGirl, there’s Milo Yiannopoulos and FartToContinue posting what they claim to be personal information about Gamergate’s targets; there’s Cernovich hiring a stalker to watch Zoë’s house; there’s Slade Villena posting stolen Polytron data – wait, Phil Fish isn’t a woman, that doesn’t count; there’s Gjoni feeding the burgers gang piles of information that go way beyond what he’d need to accomplish his ostensible goal.

            *rereads your post* Wait, you wanted people who are notable AND aren’t stupid trolls? How am I supposed to find that?

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Right, you’ve done what everyone else couldn’t and given me proof, and for that I thank you. However, I am curious as to the usage of Baldwin- never heard of the animal stuff. Is there a link you can send me?

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Took a surprisingly large amount of work to dig up evidence on that one – almost twenty minutes. (The rest of my claims are things I’ve observed directly.)

            The image in question appears to be a picture of a squirrel suspended by its testicles from an ornamental metal rod, alongside a bird feeder. Not sure what the original source was, You can confirm Baldwin posted it by looking up Adam Baldwin’s Twitter statuses 586344907461255168 and 518229515604987904. One of them has been deleted from Twitter, but is still available on archive.is. Not going to direct-link because, while I’ve seen worse from /b/, it’s not the sort of thing I want to casually stumble upon.

            (As for the week-long lag, in the interests of maintaining my mental health I’ve been prioritizing ‘post on disqus’ behind ‘fix the bugs that need to be fixed before release’)

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Come on Spike, it’s been more than a week since I asked for photos of the Adam Baldwin stuff or anything in general to back those claims up

          • ReallyNotThough

            “journalists still run around insulting us”

            Hahaha okay, good luck with that movement based around forcing people not to criticize it, that’s definitely going to work out for you.

            “they actually updated their policies.”

            Months ago, and not necessarily related to GG.

            And, sure, the Escapist is perfectly “ethical” as GG defines ethics, in that it will never criticize you. Why not read them and leaver other people alone?

          • Daniel Hemingway

            Because I get off on pissing you off through my continued existence and refusal to go away.

          • ReallyNotThough

            sounds like you’re living a fulfilling life that in no way is organized around compensating for feelings of worthlessness in ways that make you more worthless.

    • Jack Layton

      Hey, when we tried to organise a meeting for GG with numerous people, even a famous feminist Christina Hoff Sommers decided to show up as she supported GG. Of course the police were then called when someone threatened to bomb us… yea, kinda sucks when people on your own side ruins it for you doesn’t it…

  • Kirstie Rally

    Gamergate is not a group. It is a Twitter hashtag used by a liberal gathering of 1000’s of men & women of all races & religions that discuss unethical journalism such as this article [http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/04/28/gamergate/]

    Zoe Quinn is one of several characters created by Text-Based Gaming Developer Chelsea Van Valkenburg who harasses & makes fun of people on website forums such as the somethingawful helldump forum.

  • NicholasPoo

    Over the past six months, she’s received dozens of death threats, including a YouTube video during which a man wearing a skull mask speaks to the camera: “We’ll stop at nothing to bring back the way it used to be in the 1950s [when] there weren’t any bitches in video games,” the man, wielding a hammer, said, calling for “the death of Brianna Wu.”

    To be fair, Tyce’s Skullz Manifesto against Brianna Wu was pretty well justified after she tried to assassinate Retired U.S. Marine Cdr. Jace Connors via street racing:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYPC-YMdJFI

    • hams

      I CANNOT tell if either of these are actually supposed to be a joke or not. Like it’s so dead-on-the-line between outright parody and whatever these guys consider to be ‘srs bizness’.

      Like that first dude….sounded like he was making fun of someone else having a meltdown over a street racing crash… I can barely imagine a more childish response from an adult…but there was still a flipped car so… and….seasoned war journalist….blogger? That guy??

      Second video is like….if Sid from Toy Story got it in his head to become an MRA. Dumber than a box of rocks and maybe a little obsessed with violence. If it wasn’t so incredibly inept in production value, I would instantly assume it’s a joke but it has that weird air of sincerity that these melvins project into their conspiracy theories. I doubt that kid could assassinate anything bigger than a bag of chips but still, holding up weapons and talking about getting rid of all the women in games “assassination style”…

      I’m sure I could do 5 minutes of research and find out if these are real or parodies, but the point is that I would have to. Most of the GG in this thread are so wildly unbalanced that it lends a ton of credibility to these vids.

      If they’re a joke, great job you definitely got me. If they’re serious, bad job you definitely look like a joke.

      • http://uberbeard.wordpress.com Uberbeard

        It’s a joke, the guy had to admit to such when Wu involved the police, or at least it’s a strange theatrical performance. I’m not sure it really makes a difference when you’re making videos threatening to kill someone online, mind.

        Funnily, he managed to piss both anti-GamerGaters off by doing this AND GamerGaters, by both satirizing them and providing another “false flag” to smear them with.

        • TiberiusNugicus

          Begone with your well rounded logic!

        • Pitchguest

          By Jace Connors’ own admission it was a false flag, because he said he did the stunt to piss off “Gamergaters.” But it would only be satire if GG had ever done a similar stunt, which they hadn’t, so not only did he manage to crash his car, he also shot himself in the foot.

          Secondly, Brianna Wu is a lunatic who thought the SVU episode about gamers were based on her life and that the fictional “Dark Net” from the episode made a threat on her life. She’s crazy.

          • http://uberbeard.wordpress.com Uberbeard

            I’m not sure your logic is exactly solid when it comes to what constitutes satire but I doubt it’s worth getting muddied up in a discussion with you by the tone of your second paragraph.

          • Pitchguest

            If Jace Connors or you define the stunt as satire, then it would be satirising something that GG had done similarly or at the very least something that GG had publicly planned on doing. Since they had done neither and since they have no desire to physically harm Wu, it fails as satire.

            The “tone” of my second paragraph is that Brianna Wu is someone who takes the fictional verse of SVU literally and is therefore someone who is either unable or incapable of distinguishing between fiction and reality.

          • http://uberbeard.wordpress.com Uberbeard

            Yeah, that kind of weird bullshit is why nobody takes you GamerGerbers very seriously.

            “Oh no, but satire has to be based on something that they’ve definitely done in real life, and there’s no evidence of GamerGate espousing the same aggression, misogyny and trans-phobia in his videos. Therefore it’s not satire.” Right. Consider me totally convinced.

          • Pitchguest

            Is it? Let’s take something you care about, like an organisation, and someone made a video similar to Jace Connors, pinned it to said organisation and called that “satire”, would you think that’d be fair? Connors only let up the charade when Brianna Wu wished to press charges.

          • ginmar

            Because you’re such a trustworthy source.

          • Pitchguest

            Then look it up and verify it for yourself, you lazy fuck!

          • ginmar

            You’re not even close to credible enough to inspire THAT much faith. If you’re saying it, I know it’s a lie.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, Brianna Wu didn’t actually say that.

            How can we look up something that doesn’t exist?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “thought the SVU episode about gamers were based on her life”

            It was. SVU’s episode was indeed based on Gamergate.

            ” that the fictional “Dark Net” from the episode made a threat on her life.”

            Nope, stop lying all the damn time. You know how you were saying earlier you had never seen any GG lie about GG’s victims? Have you considered reading your own posts?

        • hams

          “I’m not sure it really makes a difference when you’re making videos threatening to kill someone online, mind.”

          You would be surprised at how many people on here are willing to make excuses for that.

          It’s funny that they don’t think it’s satire.

        • NicholasPoo

          the guy had to admit to such when Wu involved the police
          but the police couldn’t do anything because Jace wasn’t real

      • NicholasPoo

        Jace Connors, aka ParkourDude91, had been an internet presence for at least two years before Gamergate was a thing.

        For the uninitiated, here’s a good of an introduction as any to the lazy-eyed commander:

  • Cat Reid

    Oooo the tally is 6836 comments. I imagine the gamergate kids don’t actually play any games, just waste time online. It makes sense, considering none of their icons are gamers: Sommers, Milo, Cernovich, Baldwin, etc
    Thank heavens gamers everywhere are not tolerating gamergate bullshit, as it is now synonymous with neoreactionary antifeminists.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Play games? How’d they have time to express their rage over “Gamers are Dead” if they took the time to play a game? They’ve emails to write.

      • Smazeli

        Seriously who on earth has time for video games AND writing an email? It’s one or the other

        • ReallyNotThough

          Haha GG gave up on the emails months ago, after it became clear that no companies could be fooled anymore.

          GG’s main activity is whining endlessly on all media that people notice how annoying and worthless GG is. That shit takes time.

          • Smazeli

            Yeah it’s weird how annoyed people get when you call them names.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look, if you didn’t want to be called a misogynist, it probably was a bad idea to be part of burgersandfries, much less defend it months later.

            I’m not sure why you expect people to ignore GG’s horrible bullshit in the name of being nice.

          • Smazeli

            So it’s not enough that I never participated in any misogynist activities, or said anything sexist, and actively denounced such things, and supported the continued purging of toxic misogynists? The red letter still remains

            And your post is getting dangerously close to blaming the victims of internet harassment. It’s like saying “Look, if you didn’t want to get called a con artist, then you shouldn’t have taken a bunch of money for a gamejam and then block anyone who asks what happened to it. I’m not sure why you expect people to ignore Quinn’s horrible bullshit in the name of being nice”

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I never participated”

            You just said you participated in a group chat with no other purpose but to punish a woman.

            “actively denounced such things”

            hahaha sure you have, sure. Please link to you denouncing anyone in burgersandfries.

            ” shouldn’t have taken a bunch of money for a gamejam and then block anyone who asks what happened to it.”

            Huh yeah it’s not like you were blocked for being misogynist dickbags who stalk and harass her constantly, no sir

          • Smazeli

            “You just said you participated in a group chat with no other purpose but to punish a woman.”

            Yes, and if you ever read the chat you would see that this is false. Most of the discussion was about how to get Kotaku to disclose, and to question why the gaming press was suppressing all discussion.

            “hahaha sure you have, sure. Please link to you denouncing anyone in burgersandfries.”

            My chat name is the same as my twitter handle and email. So no, I won’t dox myself to a crowd of very irrational people that want my blood.

            “Huh yeah it’s not like you were blocked for being misogynist dickbags who stalk and harass her constantly, no sir”

            Well, I certainly wasn’t. But are you implying that the people who gave her money for RebelJam and then asked where their money went, are the SAME people who stalk and harass her constantly? I’d assume they were former supporters of her who at worst became disillusioned after watching their money go straight to her personal bank account without so much as an explanation.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Yes, and if you ever read the chat you would see that this is false. Most of the discussion was about how to get Kotaku to disclose”

            Quinn appears in the logs 3764 times. Kotaku, 773 times.

            Stop fucking lying, everyone can factcheck your bullshit.

            “My chat name is the same as my twitter handle and email. So”

            Okay. I’m not going to take this on faith. Jack below is arguing that Quinn had sex for coverage. Why not go denounce him?

          • Smazeli

            “Stop fucking lying, everyone can factcheck your bullshit.”

            I encourage you to factcheck what I post. But a mere numbers grab doesn’t debunk what I said. But it does debunk your earlier claim that picking on Quinn was the “only” purpose, doesn’t it? Anyway, most of the discussion was about how to get Kotaku and Grayson to disclose their relationship, with Quinn. See, the thing about chats is that you have to actually read them to understand the context of the conversation.

            “Okay. I’m not going to take this on faith. Jack below is arguing that Quinn had sex for coverage. Why not go denounce him?”

            What’s there to denounce? Did he say something repugnant or sexist? You’ll have to post a quote of his because I’m only viewing my replies right now.

            Unfortunately I don’t hold any power as the internet police, so even if I did tell every troll on the web to “cut it out” I’m not sure why you think they would listen to me. I don’t expect anyone to listen to me, I expect them to listen to the facts. Which is why I’ve tried to stick to making true statements only.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I encourage you to factcheck what I post. But a mere numbers grab doesn’t debunk what I said.”

            Yes, it does. If burgersandfries was more about Kotaku than Quinn, then they wouldn’t have talked about Quinn 4 times as much.

            “Did he say something repugnant or sexist?”

            The lie that Quinn had sex for reviews. If I bother to post a link to that, will you denounce it?

            “Unfortunately I don’t hold any power as the internet police,”

            If you don’t want to denounce misogyny, don’t claim you do.

          • Smazeli

            “Yes, it does. If burgersandfries was more about Kotaku than Quinn, then they wouldn’t have talked about Quinn 4 times as much.”

            According to you a few minutes ago, it wasn’t about Kotaku at all. I’m glad you’re moving goalposts closer to the truth, even if you’re not quite there yet.

            “The lie that Quinn had sex for reviews.”

            Whoops, a minute ago you claimed he said she had sex for coverage. Which is it? If he’s saying that it was for reviews, then tell him I said there weren’t any. And tell him it was me that said it, since my word is apparently the key here.

            “If you don’t want to denounce misogyny, don’t claim you do.”

            Ok, here’s my denunciations of misogyny: “Misogyny is bad. People should stop being sexist”

            There, how was that? Did I solve all the sexism? Go spread my word far and wide, so that trolls will crumble under the weight of my authority.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please. We all know the “ethics” angle was bullshit for a movement named after a woman’s sex life.

            “Ok, here’s my denunciations of misogyny: “Misogyny is bad. People should stop being sexist””

            Oh wow, so brave, that definitely makes up for your public support of a misogynist harassment campaign.

          • Smazeli

            “Please. We all know the “ethics” angle was bullshit for a movement named after a woman’s sex life.”

            Well, what Quinn did was inarguably unethical, with or without the Kotaku connection. But I’m not sure why her gender would take ethics out of it.

            I know there’s a lot in those chatlogs that go against your preconceived narrative. That it can be uncomfortable for you to see a complete lack of encouragement or discussion of rape threats, something quite baffling considering that she got thousands of rape threats from SOME entity on the internet.

            But try to bear with it. The truth is not always a comfortable thing to swallow.

            “Oh wow, so brave, that definitely makes up for your public support of a misogynist harassment campaign.”

            If it didn’t mean anything, then why the heck did you just ask me to denounce misogyny?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “Well, what Quinn did was inarguably unethical”

            So is vigilante justice for imagined “crimes.”

            You know, you never got around to showing me when Logan was banned for openly discussing how best to make Quinn kill herself.

            ” then why the heck did you just ask me to denounce misogyny?”

            Because I asked you to denounce it to the GG promoting it. If you won;t stand up to the misogynists in GG, stop saying you’re opposed to the misogyny in GG.

          • Smazeli

            “Because I asked you to denounce it to the GG promoting it. If you won;t
            stand up to the misogynists in GG, stop saying you’re opposed to the
            misogyny in GG.”

            Well, I just did. There’s a chance they might not read it, but that same chance remains even if it’s held directly in front of them. I don’t know who you had in mind, so just copy + paste it to any misogynists you want. That oughta stop em!

          • ReallyNotThough

            “There’s a chance” that Milo and the other thousands of misogynists won’t read a comment buried in a week-old Disqus thread?

            Wow, that’s the weakest excuse for cowardice I have ever fucking heard.

          • Smazeli

            Like I said, you can email my statement to whoever you want. Send it to every GG member, not just one! I give you my full permission to broadcast it. In fact, I encourage you, young warrior. Go forth and use my denunciation as your sword to slay sexism wherever it may lie! Those sexists will see that I, the great Smarzeli, denounce sexism and will crumble!

            But seriously, I’m not sure what “cowardice” you’re referring to though, or why you think anyone would listen to me over you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Or, you know, you yourself could work against misogynists in GG.

            The cowardice of wanting to be seen as standing up to the misogyny of your cult, but being completely unwilling to do so.

          • Smazeli

            I’ve already done what you asked of me. I even went further than sending a message to one guy, I gave you a denunciation that can be used freely, to anyone! Which is earlier why I said that “it’s not enough” to refrain from doing anything sexist, or actually oppose misogyny in your eyes. The label of misogyny engraved, it can’t be removed, and has no relation to whether or not someone *actually* does anything sexist or feminist

            As I just demonstrated, I asked what could be done to change your mind, made the requested denunciation, and lo and behold a denunciation is now no longer enough! If you’re going to condemn internet strangers without knowing anything about them, at least give them a non-moving goalpost. It will make you appear more interested in recognizing actual sexism instead of turning it into a dumb team sport.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Then keep doing it. I’m not going to congratulate you based on faith.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Still waiting on you telling me when burgersandfries kicked out Logan for planning to drive Quinn to suicide, btw.

          • Smazeli

            I don’t remember saying anything about a Logan before, are you referring to RogueStar? I assume you’re not just changing the topic as a way to avoid admitting you were wrong.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, notice all those times that you said burgarsandfries kicked out the abusers, and I linked a guy named Logan on that chatlog calling for plans to make her kill herself?

            And then you went silent?

            Ringing any bells?

          • ReallyNotThough

            And silence. See what I mean?

          • Smazeli

            Believe it or not, I don’t always have the ability to reply every hour of every day. I also do work on my computer! Weird, I know.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay. Still no comment on burgersandfries accepting a dude who wanted to abuse Quinn into suicide, huh?

          • Smazeli

            I just did. Clearly you didn’t read the entire chatlog, because they did give Logan the boot.

            “Aug 25 07.27.23 Logan, you’re welcome to your opinion, but your opinion is fucking terrible and we would all appreciate if you would take your tiny stubby little penis and go back to /soc/”

            Wow yes, that’s a weird way to accept someone

          • ReallyNotThough

            Sure, was Logan banned?

            And let’s look at Paperdinosaur’s views:

            Aug 24 16.33.54 Guys, lets me fair to Zoe here
            Aug 24 16.34.02 If every time I did something people sent me nues of her
            Aug 24 16.34.07 I’d fucking kill myself

            What a saint.

          • Smazeli

            You asked me if he was kicked. He was. Are you moving goalposts again?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? Where was he kicked? He was told to go away, by a misogynist dickbag.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Let’s see what else paperdinosaur had to say:

            Aug 24 15.16.33 She’s done, we’ve wrecked her in a professional manner. …
            Aug 24 15.16.42 Unfortunately most of the people involved in this seem to be interested in destroying Zoe
            Aug 24 15.16.46 stop digging up shit on zoe’s past
            Aug 24 15.16.47 Now we have to wreck her shield, the people who tried to defend her

            Yeah sounds like he for real takes ruining people’s lives seriously.

            Also, notice how burgersandfries themselves admit most people were just in it to harass Quinn?

          • Smazeli

            Wait, you’re quoting a section in which people discuss leaving her alone, begging each other to leave her alone. Did you mean to do that?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yep, and notice how they’re saying both that they only want to leave her alone because they already succeeded at ruining her life, and mentioning that everyone else on the chat won’t stop obsessing about her?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Oh man and here’s the kicker:

            Aug 25 07.18.59 If she commits suicide we lose everything …
            Aug 25 07.20.34 If you can’t see how driving Zoe to suicide would fuck this entire thing up then you’re a fucking idiot
            Aug 25 07.20.41 Imagine the kotaku article …

            Paperdinosaur is only opposed to harassing quinn to suicide because he thinks it would look bad. not because he actually gives a shit.

          • Smazeli

            You’re moving goalposts again. Earlier you claimed that they “embraced” someone who wanted Zoe to commit suicide. When I proved that they explicitly rejected him, you’re now arguing that ‘okay yeah they didn’t really want Zoe to get hurt but they didn’t care enough about her either!”

            Though I admit that it’s crazy that they’re so paranoid about getting blamed for anything that happens to Quinn, why do you think that is? They sure are going to great lengths to dissuade anyone in the chat from wanting to hurt Zoe. If the goal of the chatroom was to organize a campaign against Quinn, then kicking out the people who were doing just that seems counter-productive. Don’t you think?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yep, and only one guy seems to have taken issue, and only because he thought they’d already ruined her life.

            Was paperdinosaur kicked? Or were some misogynist assholes allowed to stay?

            “why do you think that is?” Because campaigns based around stalking and sexually harassing a woman tend to make their targets depressed?

            “great lengths” hahahahaha sure, it’s not like paperdinosaur =made jokes about Quinn committing suicide because he thinks she’s ugly later that very day.

            Look, if your best example of “great lengths” is a guy who got pissed because he thought they’d already succeeded at ruining a woman’s life, and who went on to joke about that woman’s suicide, then your movement might not be particularly ethical.

          • Smazeli

            “Yep, and only one guy seems to have taken issue, and only because he thought they’d already ruined her life.”

            Well, that’s false. Many people took issue. Which again, contradicts your earlier assertion that the sole reason for the chat was to organize a harassment campaign. Yet the idea of harassing Quinn is clearly being discouraged, no one is talking about having personally sent anything to her.

            No instances of “hey here’s what I sent to Zoe!”, or “here’s a place to create email accounts for emailing Zoe”, or “what should my death threat to Quinn say?”. If they did organize a harassment campaign, they did so telepathically.

            “Look, if your best example of “great lengths” is a guy who got pissed because he thought they’d already succeeded at ruining a woman’s life,
            and who went on to joke about that woman’s suicide, then your movement might not be particularly ethical.”

            This portion is false, for the simple reason that a single guy in an obscure chat doesn’t define an entire movement. Or if he does, then why don’t any of the people talking about journalistic ethics count as much?

          • ReallyNotThough

            ” If they did organize a harassment campaign, they did so telepathically.”

            Nope, turns out that spreading lies about a woman to a bunch of woman-hating assholes and telling misogynists that they’re ethical does indeed target harassment on a woman.

            Here paperdinosaur is advocating doxing of a high school teacher:

            Aug 25 11.56.40 We should dig into Cliffy B’s shit

            When was paperdinosaur banned for his advocacy of doxing, harassment, and misogyny?

          • Smazeli

            You’ll have to identify the “lies” he spread. Also, you’re making a sweeping “misogynist” claim onto a group of people based on nothing more than a shared contempt for Quinn. Hating a single woman does not make them woman-haters, as measured by the number of women involved in supporting the movement.

            Also, what high school teacher are you talking about? Cliffy B is a prominent game director with a very active public profile. They found out his brother either partially owns or is employed by Vox.com, through public information.

            Why would paperdinosaur get banned for a bunch of things he didn’t do? Especially when he clearly advocates for the opposite. Otherwise telling Logan to “fuck off” would be counter-productive. Keep in mind, they didn’t tell him to fuck off when he called everyone in the channel a bunch of “white knight faggots”. But after Logan talked about Quinn’s suicide. That was what crossed the line

            Since the channel is clearly excluding open calls for Quinn’s harassment, I suppose now you’ll set the goalposts back further and ask why they didn’t ban everyone making a crass joke?

          • ReallyNotThough

            Already did, the lies about Quinn having sex for coverage.

            “Also, you’re making a sweeping “misogynist” claim onto a group of people”

            Then show me where they told dino to stop being misogynist.

            “based on nothing more than a shared contempt for Quinn”

            I’m glad you can finally admit the purpose of burgersandfries. Like, when a group’s only binding purpose is contempt for a person, why do you object to the term “hate group”?

            I know you think “allowing homophobia” is a point in favor of your shitty movement, but it isn’t.

            “Since the channel is clearly excluding open calls for Quinn’s harassment”

            Where did they exclude dino’s call to harass her constantly at Aug 25 07.22.12?”

          • Smazeli

            “Already did, the lies about Quinn having sex for coverage.”

            Hm? No, that was long ago proven. Kotaku even apologized for allowing their reporters to get too close to indie devs, and for failing to disclose the relationship info that people wanted disclosed.

            “Then show me where they told dino to stop being misogynist.”

            Why would they? He would have to be a misogynist first

            “I’m glad you can finally admit the purpose of burgersandfries.”

            No no, the purpose of burgersandfries was to investigate gaming journalisms many ethical issues without getting falsely accused of sexism. Quinn has developed a lot of enemies for the many people she’s hurt with her antics, but that doesn’t make them sexist or part of a conspiracy against her.

            “I know you think “allowing homophobia” is a point in favor of your shitty movement, but it isn’t.”

            I don’t think that? I have plenty of real, actual beliefs for you to attack. You don’t have to make up new ones. But that’s besides the point, what does it have to do with Cliffy B? And something about a high school teacher? Are you confusing me for someone else

            “Where did they exclude dino’s call to harass her constantly at Aug 25 07.22.12?”

            Well, in the context of that conversation he was clearly referring to Kotaku’s journalists. But you wanted pushback, so here it is:

            “Aug 25 07.22.03 but the people who go on kotaku are too stupid to understand what corruption is”

            “Aug 25 07.22.19 They will not be affected one bit.”

            “Aug 25 07.22.33 kotakids are a lost cause”

            “Aug 25 07.22.48 I think the solution would be a rival, truly unbiased, community-based video games news and reviews site”

            And, right before that:

            “Aug 25 07.20.34 If you can’t see how driving Zoe to suicide would fuck this entire thing up then you’re a fucking idiot”

            But according to you, driving Zoe to suicide is their “entire thing”! What else are they worried about messing up? Hmm?

          • ReallyNotThough

            The Kotaku article says the relationship started in April.

            Unless you can prove that Grayson used a time machine to go back and write those articles after they hooked up, then stop. fucking. lying.

            You just said burgersandfries were only united by their hatred. Don’t walk back your accidental honesty.

            Lying about a woman’s sex life and asking for people to harass her constantly about those lies, as dino did, is in fact misogyny.

            Huh, still not seeing anyone calling him out for wanting to harass a woman with lies.

          • Smazeli

            Hey, you there? You’ve been silent for the past 5 minutes. Did you run away?

            Haha, I’m kidding. Whenever you are ready, that’s cool

          • ReallyNotThough

            wow u mad bro

          • Smazeli

            Aww, only you can beg for replies? That’s not fair

          • ReallyNotThough

            are you having a stroke

          • Smazeli

            No, because stoke victims usually can’t type

          • ReallyNotThough

            Can you condemn paperdinosaur for being part of a conversation doxing Quinn’s family?

            Aug 25 01.44.55 I know she might be the daughter of a bunch of rich jews. But is that it?

          • Smazeli

            Yeah sure, tell him I said “cut it out”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay, can you indicate where the super-ethical totally-not-about-harassment burgersandfries chatlog did so?

          • Smazeli

            What, I don’t get a “thank you”? I think I should get at least one for following so many of your requests. Oh what the hey:

            “Aug 27 00.03.49 don’t fucking do that you twats”
            “Aug 27 00.04.19 We can’t hold the moral high ground and then act like that”

            “Aug 31 08.18.32 We could retake a lot of lost ground on twitter if we follow my direction
            Aug 31 08.18.59 We get like 300-400 people and publicly apologize to Anita
            Aug 31 08.19.06 Like make her a card or something
            Aug 31 08.19.12 that’s admitting guilt
            Aug 31 08.19.25 We are not saying we’re wrong, dummies
            Aug 31 08.19.37 Just that we’re not in support of anyone that harassed her”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh, funny how, instead of getting a card, Sarkeesian’s harassment increased over 3x in volume after GG was founded.

            Still not seeing anyone calling out paperdino for lying and for calling for the harassment of people.

          • Smazeli

            Wow, three times as much? I’d love to see a citation for that

            I can tell you that in the one study done on the nature of Sarkeesian’s harassment, Anita released a week’s worth of harassing tweets to the public. Less than 2% of the harassing tweets she got came from anyone affiliated with GG.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here paperdino is advocating harassment of Quinn and stalking of Phil Fish.

            Aug 24 17.15.57 Man someone needs to Tweet at Zoe
            Aug 24 17.16.06 * nuoo2 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
            Aug 24 17.16.14 Ask her if she would do an nterview
            Aug 24 17.16.15 and they are making up fake monsters to fight, and if anyone disagrees, they are part of the monster
            Aug 24 17.16.16 BrandonOrselli : you should ask IRC questions about this debacle
            Aug 24 17.16.18 Wait just a goddamn minute, TFYC got taken down
            Aug 24 17.16.19 then claim it’s for a porn mag

            Or for advocating doxing and stalking Phil Fish?

            Aug 24 18.55.26 we should find his address and send him a giant teddy bear.

          • Smazeli

            Asking Zoe for an interview is not harassment, even under the most generous terms. You’re really stretching now, huh?

            And I think the idea of sending Phil Fish a giant teddy bear is very obviously a joke.

            But to back things up, you have to sit back and be amazed at just how much progress you’ve made. Just a few days ago, you were convinced that GG was an organized terrorist group composed of every unsightly character man has ever conceived of. And since them you’re quietly made concessions, inch by inch, to roll back each terrible claim. Now you’re struggling to condemn them for sending gag teddy bears- no, JOKING about gifting a teddy bear to a game developer that has a habit of actually abusing everyone he talks to

            That’s their biggest crime now.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Um, asking someone to do a fake interview for a porn mag is harassment.

            If you can’t figure that out, maybe stop contacting people who are sick of being harassed.

            And you know GG constantly sends shit to their victims’ houses just to remind them that their address is known, right?

            “And since them you’re quietly made concessions, inch by inch, to roll back each terrible claim.”

            Nope, stop lying. They are organized. Notice how each person they talk about immediately gets a wave of harassment and stalking?

    • Daniel Hemingway

      *Implying that Gamergate members don’t play games*

      And I’m sure you can talk. Don’t make baseless assumptions, otherwise I feel OK calling you a leftist Tumblrite who dyes her hair eighteen shades to represent the number of tragic stories you read on your dash that morning.

      • Mr Corrections

        What’s wrong with leftist politics? What does Tumblr have to do with the threats and harassment you direct at women? What relationship do your comments have to do with ETHICS IN THE GAMING JOURNOLISMS?

        • Daniel Hemingway

          “What does Tumblr have to do with the threats and harassment you direct at women?”

          A) Citation needed, cause I don’t harass woman.

          By the by, for a person named Mr Corrections, you sure as hell don’t know how to spell “Journalism.”

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look up the plural you in English.

          • Mr Corrections

            A) Yes you do – you’re a GamerGater, so you’re either doing it yourself, or providing direct aid to those who do.

            X) I guess I must not be able to spell a word I’ve spelt everywhere else correctly! I mean, the other alternative was that I was making fun of the hysterically misspelled screeds posted by you crazy cultists, but what are the chances of that?!?

      • ginmar

        Ah, there’s that bitter gator tell.

      • ReallyNotThough

        You get that GG would have more of case when saying it isn’t creepy and sexist if you weren’t creepily fixated on women’s hair color, right?

        • Daniel Hemingway

          So… me mocking people who dye their hair is “creepy and sexist.” Good to know.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yep, look, someday, when you’re not weighed down by crushing feelings of sexual inadequacy, you’ll find that healthy adults don’t join mobs that spend thousands of words discussing their victims’ appearance.

  • Andrea Porzio

    thankfully that sneaky GGer Joss Whedon has been kicked out of Twitter by the rightful indignation of the people.

  • Andrea Porzio

    so if GGers are all evil because a few of them sent threats, then all anti-GG are also evil because a few of them talked about bullying nerds and sending bomb threats?
    philosoraptor.jpg

    • ginmar

      Yeah, because that happened. Sure it did.

      • Nick Villano

        Yeah. It did.
        Do you not read the news or do you get everything exclusively from tumblr?

        • Mr Corrections

          What do you losers have against tumblr, exactly?

          I mean, I get that it’s where the popular kids and … oh wait never mind I figured it out.

          • Nick Villano

            (just in case this isn’t a troll and is a genuine example of Poe’s law)
            Ahhh… And there we have it. You don’t care about Quinn, you don’t care about games, you don’t care about any of this shit.
            You are only concerned with looking cool.
            Shit, for all I know, you could be the neck beard, fedora wearing White-Knight. But, hey, I don’t know you nor do I know what you look like, so I’m not gonna make any presumptions.

          • Mr Corrections

            Nothing you just wrote made a lick of sense.

            I’m sorry you’re not popular or smart, and resent anyone who is either, but c’mon – take a good long look at your life choices and I’m pretty sure you can figure out why you ended up this way.

          • Nick Villano

            XD
            I’d say that’s some mighty fine projection going on there, son.

          • Mr Corrections

            You did accidentally say two correct things there, though – I don’t care about Quinn, I just don’t think you assholes should get away with harassing her for no reason.

            I also don’t really care about video games any more – although I made millions from writing them, obviously.

            I hope that helps!

          • Nick Villano

            Really? Cool! What games?

          • Mr Corrections

            Why would I help you doxx me? Are you some kind of fucking idiot?

            No wait, I already know the answer to that question.

          • Nick Villano

            No. No one should doxx anyone.
            I just want to know what games you’ve worked on.
            Why would I waste my time doing that?

          • Nick Villano

            Seriously, what games?

          • Nick Villano

            Well, I was willing to speak to you like a human and possibly congratulate you on something, but I guess not.
            Have a good day.

          • Mr Corrections

            You aren’t human, you’re a GamerGater – that’s an anagram for “garbage manbaby”.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            *Calls people manbabies.”

            *Almost all of his comments contain insults.*

          • Mr Corrections

            Only my comments to dumb assholes, such as you (a dumb asshole).

            On the other hand, you have posted at least once urging someone to commit suicide, and multiple times accusing people of being sexually abused as children, which makes you so off-the-scale loathsome that I’m fucking amazed you have the gall to critique other people’s actions, you gross piece of shit.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            …said the person who doesn’t think others are human simply for a difference in opinion.

            “I’m fucking amazed you have the gall to critique other people’s actions”

            You know it takes a special kind of retardation to be this oblivious.

          • ReallyNotThough

            and now there’s the ableism

            has it occurred to you that you don’t have to be garbage

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Oh sorry I didn’t realize you were retarded.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Potty mouthed little creature aren’t you?

            And yeah-you’re a gamergater in addition to everything else that’s wrong with you!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You must be a riot at the comedy clubs.

          • ReallyNotThough

            So far the only joke you’ve presented is your entire personality.

          • Michael Lindsay

            No worries gamergater.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Really, you could always not be complete garbage.

            Not everyone thinks they’re worthless are are 100% correct.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Don’t you have some dolphins to swim with?

          • ReallyNotThough

            ….?

          • Mr Corrections

            Nice abelism – it really goes well with your telling people to commit suicide and the child molestation references.

            I’m sure this has something or other to do with ETHICES IN A GAMING JORNOLISMS though.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            It’s not abelism if it’s true.

          • Mr Corrections

            Luckily, it obviously isn’t true, so you’re just a shitty dumbass.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Are you wearing your helmet.

          • Mr Corrections

            Doubling down on your shittiness hasn’t worked yet, but don’t let that stop you from trying it again!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I didn’t realize the local care center allowed internet access for it’s patients.

          • Mr Corrections

            That’s not how you use an apostrophe.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You’ll have to excuse him. He was touched when he was little.

          • Mr Corrections

            Ah yeah, there’s that other thing you do. Man, you are one disgusting little turd.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Sorry I didn’t mean to trigger you.

          • ReallyNotThough

            If your goal is to drive anyone even partially decent away from your movement, you’re succeeding spectacularly.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Again I’m not a part of gamergate. I can also say the same for others behavior on this thread. Including those on the anti side. But then again expected you to be consistent will be kind of unrealistic at this point.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Haha sure sure you’re fooling everyone good work

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Yes you said that already.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yeah but you keep bragging about your oh so clever ruse, so I keep congratulating you.

          • Michael Lindsay

            That disingenuous little liar claims he’s “not a part of the movement”. Which is then followed by a Tsunami of GG talking points. Seriously that one is so full of shit if it told me the sky was blue I’d have to check.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You do know the whole fedora wearing joke was originally a meme aimed at MRA gamergate types? http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/550/251/3e2.jpg

            Of course Gamergate would never attempt to rewrite history!
            Seriously, it’s about ethics.

          • Nick Villano

            It was a joke started because the people who wear them are usually kind of cringy and whatnot.
            The joke being that “class in for men, swag is for boys.”
            That was some weak b8, m8. Nice try. There was an attempt.

          • loranna238

            Oh dear lord. As for people threatening others, there’s lunatics everywhere. GamerGate’s penchant seems to be denial of that fact though.

      • Nick Villano
  • Eggard Snark

    I see the losers are still here stinking up the joint. Get a life already.

    • Mr Corrections

      We have lives, and unlike yours they don’t revolve around the targeted harassment of women.

      I hope that helps!

      • TiberiusNugicus

        Please kill yourself.

        I hope that helps.

        • Mr Corrections

          Firstly, what the fuck is wrong with you that you think that is appropriate?

          Secondly, do you actually know what the word “either” means?

          • Michael Lindsay

            What’s wrong with him. He’s the true face of Gamergate is what’s wrong, disingenuous, vicious, sociopathic and ultimately sad. Relax, guys like him do more damage to GG’s reputation than this article ever could. They prove it’s thesis to be true.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            What is wrong with you assuming anyone is going to be nice to you when you’ve been acting like a little manchild this whole time. For idiots like you I think it’s very appropriate.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look, if you want to call people manchildren, don’t make your very first post about problems in toy reviews.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            If it only had to do with problems with game reviews.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha oh right I forgot it also has to do with people saying your toys aren’t always perfect, how silly of me.

          • Mr Corrections

            Good news! The person you’re harassing neither produces those game reviews, nor has anything to do with producing them. You can stop with the rape threats now! Your toys are OK!

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I’m pretty sure you’re harassing me. Also, I’ve never sent rape threats to anybody.

          • Mr Corrections

            You are pretty sure of a lot of stupid things, it seems.

            And you either did, or you’re helping people that did – which is effectively identical on a moral level (“morals” are things that non-GamerGaters have, don’t be confused).

            I hope that helps!.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You really are a special little angel aren’t you?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Whatever you say man. Whatever you say.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Someone is really paranoid to think that.

          • Mr Corrections

            So that got under you skin enough to make you reply four times, apparently.

            I’m sorry you hate women, and I can suggest several places you can get therapy if you would like help.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! You’re funny.

          • Mr Corrections

            You aren’t.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Not trying to be.

          • Mr Corrections

            Then you have achieved success in your endeavour to be an unfunny dude shitting up the world with the incredibly gross opinions you’ve copied from someone else.

            Congratulation.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Not trying to be funny. Well that is working,

          • Michael Lindsay

            No laughing, you’re a sociopath.

            I hope you get locked up before you start torturing kittens or something.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Stop with the harassment already.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nope, you just make “funny joeks” suggesting they get raped. This, ladies and gentlemen is the product of several years of festering shite in chan culture. Just when you thought there wasn’t any lower a human being could go.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! I don’t even like 4chan. Where did I suggest that someone should get raped?

          • Michael Lindsay

            I take that on as much faith as your claim to not being a gamergater Mr Gamergate talking points spewing machine.

            Yeah – you also asked someone a while back if they got raped by nerds.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            That’s not the same as suggesting someone get raped you idiot.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nah, it’s a “funny joek” you Gamergater.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I don’t expect you to know what real comedy would be. Probably some pretentious pc friendly hipster crap that barely draws audiences in the double digits.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “barely draws audiences in the double digits.”

            pretty sure Aziz Ansari’s last show pulled a few more than 10 people

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Wasn’t necessarily referring to you but okay. So who else do you like.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I’m not Aziz Ansari.

            Reading comprehension is a skill you can learn, you know.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I don’t care if this thing has the reading level of a first grader, can we teach it basic social skills first?

          • Mr Corrections

            That sounds like a challenge, or in other words work.

            My counter-proposal is that we continue mocking it at levels that are making nearly audible sounds as they pass over its head, while drinking.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Deal!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You must be retarded if you honestly believed I thought you were Aziz Ansari. I guess there is no cure.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Look, people are going to react to the things you write, not the things you think.

            Do you feel the way you blame people for your inability to communicate might be related to you being worthless garbage?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Are you up to date with your prescription eye glasses.

          • Michael Lindsay

            At this point I’m wondering if it’s actually a bot. One that’s designed to spew garbage, GG talking points and literally nothing else.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay.

          • loranna238

            It does seem to give okay as it’s default answer.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yep. That’s how I was able to read the words you actually write, not those you imagine after the fact.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            So It’s an interpretation problem then?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nah, you’re just obnoxious-also you don’t take the time to read peoples answers. You’re too busy dreaming up a grade-school level bigoted cuss word.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            I read fine honey. There’s no reason to be upset.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Can you come up with an insult that is at least over grade nine level? You’re calling people manchildren and you’re acting like you’re two!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Weren’t you planning on leaving? You must be obsessed with me.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You’ve been here all morning and watching you fail is entertaining me.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Why? Is your sister-wife not entertaining you enough at the moment?

          • Michael Lindsay

            This is why you shouldn’t try your hand at comedy.

            You think you’re funny, but you’re just sad. Keep failing though. I’m getting bored.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Alright then.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Well look whose engaged in the conversation.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nope, I’d pay to see you on stage at a comedy club. Security would have to escort you out the door though. I don’t think the punters would be laughing.

          • loranna238

            Didn’t you say someone should kill themselves? Wasn’t that you?

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry that your virtual toys have virtual cooties now, or whatever the fuck did this to you, but technically you aren’t actually a person any more.

            I hope that helps!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! What?

          • Michael Lindsay

            You are a gamergater, sorry if the truth triggers you!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Nah, too many red pill idiots trying to encroach.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yes, you are a Gamergater in fact-you are gamergate. The by product of several years of lonely weird misanthropes on chan boards screaming out their anonymous bile to each other.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nothing OK about you, not in your current state.

            Maybe it’ll evolve into a human-but not today.

          • Mr Corrections

            You could try not being a shitty dude. Just a thought!

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay.

          • Mr Corrections

            REALLY try, though – I mean, try like you were going to get win an anime pillow girlfriend if you succeed.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Don’t want one. Peter Coffin might need one thought.

          • Mr Corrections

            Realistically, I think an anime pillow girlfriend is the best you can hope for.

            Don’t set your sights too high, OK?

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay?

          • Mr Corrections

            There’s no shame in knowing your limits, and – let’s face it – your limits are pretty restricting.

            I feel confident, however, that given time, and a lot of practice, you can eventually work up to the level of making eye contact with a female human.

            Not one that wants to interact with you, obviously, but like maybe a Starbucks barista or something. Somebody who has to be paid to do so. Let’s start with that realistic goal.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay?

          • Mr Corrections

            *montage scene*

            oh no you fucked it all up, back to the drawing board

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Okay.

          • Mr Corrections

            *roll credits*

            LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE MANAGEMENT WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE WILL BE NO REFUNDS FOR TONIGHT’S FEATURE. PLEASE EXIT IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            LOL! You are a riot.

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes. Yes I am. But you are difficult clay to work with.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Same colour and consistency, but that thing ain’t clay.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh no! And I’m out of soap!

          • Michael Lindsay

            You just need the right tools.

            Nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Jesus man, I want this cretin to stay shy. Please.

            I don’t want to put a human woman through having to spend time with that. Let him cuddle his Waifu pillow.

          • Mr Corrections

            I am a Man of Science, and nobody can stop me from my unholy experiments!

            *experiment goes horribly awry*

            In retrospect, it was a mistake to play God!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey, don’t knock his Waifu. Gamergaters get mad when you insult Vivian James.

          • Mr Corrections

            Oh, I forgot you were a dumb asshole there for a second. I should have used smaller words.

            I apologise for the error.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            Or maybe I’m perplexed that you would assume I’ve terrified by the prospect of the idea of girls playing video games.

          • Mr Corrections

            It’s not an assumption, it’s an observation backed by a mountain of data.

            Why else would you be part of GamerGate, a misogynist hate group dedicated to harassing women for not admitting that all video games are perfect as-is? There is no other possible explanation, according to my science math.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            As I said I’m not part of GamerGate. And let’s be honest the accusations of misogyny and it being a hate group hold as much weight as a starving Somali. Who said video games are perfect?

          • Mr Corrections

            I totally believe that you are not part of GamerGate, and also that up is down and the sky is green.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Strong, fact-based argument from a neutral who is just asking questions.

          • TiberiusNugicus

            What questions did I ask?

          • ReallyNotThough

            really getting to the meat of the issue huh

          • TiberiusNugicus

            You said I was just asking questions. So what questions did I ask? Don’t try to change the subject now.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yep Gamergate is still in this comment section for some reason. Signal boosting and yelling insults at everyone and saying next to nothing about the article in question, perhaps it’s embarrassing to them.

      • loranna238

        He actually encouraged them to do this. They don’t even know the seeds of it.

  • Jonas Downer

    you are obviously writing from a strong ideological bias.

    • Mr Corrections

      I guess – a strong ideological bias against stalking and harassing women, maybe. You know, that thing that normal people are against, but which GamerGate is entirely for.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Yeah, reality has one of those.

  • raveur

    Any reasonable piece over this adolescent drama should start with Zoe’s own admissions of infidelity https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/blue.jpg

    Is it character assassination if you have no character to begin with?

    • ReallyNotThough

      No, articles about stalking and abuse shouldn’t include info released by the stalker in question.

      It’s amazing how little you understand actual journalistic ethics.

      • raveur

        Uh no. First, claims that he is a stalker are unfounded. He just posts childish rants. That doesn’t make him a stalker.

        Second, conversation logs that are released without consent have always been part of journalistic publications. Were you born yesterday? Welcome to Snowden, Cablegate, Sony emails. Those are called documents or evidence. The press loves to publish those.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Actually, he’s on record calling hotels to find out where Zoe stays, “and telling that information to a mob of people who want her to kill herself.

          He also claims to still be running the movement harassing her behind the scenes.

          “Second, conversation logs that are released without consent have always been part of journalistic publications.”

          Sure, if they meet the standard.

          The standard is:

          “– Balance the public’s need for information against potential harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance or undue intrusiveness.”

          http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

          Did it ever occur to you to look up what journalistic ethics actually are?

          • raveur

            The key, as you point out, is balance. This article paints Eron as a deranged stalker while absolving Zoe of any guilt as a poor example of a human being. And yet you are quiet about the unbalanced position of this article.

            And if you’re going to write an article attacking one guy, the public absolutely needs the information that this chatlog contains so as to better decide if Eron is a dangerous stalker or not. That would be ethical journalism

          • ReallyNotThough

            “This article paints Eron as a deranged stalker ”

            Yes. Nothing Quinn could do would make deranged stalking okay. Healthy adults don’t actually look for reasons why victims of stalking deserve it.

            “Zoe of any guilt”

            Why the fuck would it be the media’s job, or business, to police what kind of “example” people are?

            Hahahaha you get how your log actually shows Eron being a deranged abusive fuck, rather than disproving it, right?

          • ginmar

            There’s no “balance” between your crazy stalking misogynist hero and his target. He lied to thousands of other eager little basement dwellers so until Quinn retaliates with the same magnitude and quality of shitty stalkery assholehood, you are fucking nuts.v

          • Mr Corrections

            Yes – this article paints Eron as a deranged stalker, and that turns out to be the case.

            I hope that helps!

        • ginmar

          Um, dumbfuck, gators released their own chats in the belief nobody would read them, probably because they figured everybody else was as stupid and amoral as they were. Wrong!

    • ginmar

      Lies.

      • raveur

        Hard to argue against a screenshot.

        So I guess the Snowden documents are all lies too :)

        • ReallyNotThough

          It’s actually very easy, especially when that screenshot is marked up by a desperate and creepy stalker and posted as part of a harassment campaign.

          • raveur

            Notice, no one has contested the veracity of his chatlogs. No one has accused Eron of fabrication. You’re the first. Thanks for the FUD

          • ginmar

            …….except everybody who isn’t a gator.

            Boy, no wonder THESE are the assholes that hate talk of consent. I’ve pointed out that Jgoni is a lying sack of shit to this fucknugget here about five times but in gator language, that’s not the magical mystical phrase they demand.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Neither has no-one confirmed it.

            Because no-one gives a shit why you think you get to harass a woman. Leave the vigilante justice to Batman.

          • raveur

            Your little brain couldn’t help but make the leap to a claim that I believe Eron is justified in harassing a woman. I already know I can’t talk to people whose brains can only fathom a world that is black and white.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “claiming that I believe Eron is justified in harassing a woman”

            You literally just argued that Quinn’s actions are relevant to whether or not we can consider Eron a deranged stalker.

            Like, I can see it. I can see the words you type. You don’t have to pretend I can’t.

          • raveur

            The two are not the same. Waste of time explaining the difference. Just re-read

          • ReallyNotThough

            I get that compartmentalized thinking is the hallmark of GG, but yes, they are.

            Quinn’s actions have no bearing on whether Eron is a harassing stalker, unless you think that stalking and harassment can be justified.

            Please explain why you feel that last sentence is false.

          • raveur

            I don’t even know what GG is. Maybe that’s why you’re reading so much into things and jumping to conclusions. Tsk tsk. You know what they say when you assume.

            Given your evidence, then yes he’s a stalker. Is he justified? No. But I’ll stand by my position that this article needs to show the other side of the story: we readers of such an article need to understand Zoe’s infidelity and cheating to see what triggered Eron’s behavior.

            Otherwise, you’re just one of those people who focus on the Baltimore rioting and dont’ care to even address the underlying currents of resentment, fear, and hatred. That would just make you a simpleton.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “I don’t even know what GG is.”

            Okay, thanks for admitting you didn’t even read the article.

            GG is a hate movement started by Adam Baldwin, when he use the name to apply to a lie that Quinn had sex for reviews.

            This is all in the article above.

            “what triggered Eron’s behavior.”

            Who gives a shit? I actually have personally been cheated on, and I managed to NOT stalk and harass a woman for 8 months OR found a hate movement.

            Learn what personal responsibility is. Eron is a stalker because he chose to stalk.

            Nothing Quinn did is going to change, or even affect, that.

          • raveur

            Let’s see. GG was mentioned once. Not even defined. Another point backing up that this is a shitty article.

            Yeah, like I said, you’re one of those people who don’t give a shit about what triggers things like rioting and terrorism. Look, I don’t fault you. Most people are like you: take the easiest cognitive path. No surprise

          • ReallyNotThough

            “who don’t give a shit about what triggers things like rioting and terrorism”

            Those are social movements that are poorly understood.

            This is one manchild abuser stalking a woman. This happens a lot, and we understand it perfectly. Here you go:

            1. Asshole manchildren feel entitled to women’s attention and bodies.
            2. When women do things that aren’t what they want, they spend their lives trying to hurt those women.

          • Mr Corrections

            For me, the “best” (worst) part is when these assholes try to say that she “raped” him by having sex with someone else after they had split up. Because, you know, he owns her or some shit.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha also for real, has it ever occurred to you to question why your higher cognitive process always results in women being at fault for men’s actions?

          • loranna238

            The Zoe Quinn situation would go on to spawn (like an a crazed alien baby with rows of a sharp teeth) Gamer Gate. Lots of guys would say publicly things like “Who people sleep with in their personal life is their business” but then go on to say that Zoe slept with 5 guys who gave Depression Quest positive reviews. Which is then about ethics, and no longer about a sex scandal. Nice little shifting there. Except it’s not true, any of it.

            So GamerGate’s foundation is rocky to say the least.

            Also they’re like “She must have slept with these guys because seriously, it’s entitled Depression Quest.”

            Think about it for a second. Someone wrote a Depression simulator to show people what depression is like for those who have it (I had to have a psychologist tell me to be honest I’d been with it so long). Supposedly she now sleeps with people to “get the good reviews to make big bucks”

            Logically…do you write a Depression simulator to make money? Yeah, ok. No you write a Depression simulator to get people to UNDERSTAND and RAISE AWARENESS.

            But no, she is this scheming thing that slept with guys for reviews.

            Their logic doesn’t even make sense. One of them even suggested she slept with Gaben in order to get it Greenlit! It got support because of what it was, and then after she made this game – which she made free, by the way, she’s just trying to get attention from her ex boyfriend unleashing the horde of slavering stupids without her even suspecting to do so so she can make money and get attention.

            You know what’s really sad to me? Anita Sarkeesian puts her production as non-profit, which is subject to IRS regulation. Zoey makes her depression simulator free. They are the villains though.

            People like AA (Amazing Atheist), Sargon, any of the other people who are constantly, constantly maligning these people however get tons of traffic for doing so, for piecing together their lives and trashing them like tabloids. And no one bats an eye. That’s what’s really sad.

          • Mr Corrections

            Even worse, you’ll see many of them say that she is mentally ill, as though that justifies their actions. Somehow I think harassing someone who is mentally ill makes it WORSE? Or maybe that is just me!

          • loranna238

            What other side of the story is there? They had a breakup, he decided to leak it all. He confessed to wanting to get her harassed. How is there another side to the story? Regardless of their own personal interactions, he told this reporter he deliberately did this to her. There’s no other side of the story, unless you are trying to justify what he did, which is a crime. Oh poor Enron, she cheated on him and then was mixed up about it and a little off her bean for a bit. He was perfectly justified in unleashing torrents of people who dont’ realize when they are being sexist to threaten her physically and sexually. There’s another side to this that apparently justifies him doing this to another human being, right? Really? I’d love to hear it.

          • Dexter

            Wow someone who is anti GG but also admitted she cheated. Awesome.

            I think one of the issues at the heart of this whole GG thing is that there are people who have been cheated on who see Zoe as the scapegoat for all of the nasty things their ex’s have done to them.

            My theory: I think anyone that will tell you that cheating is reprehensible will be pro Gamergate and anyone who is “meh it happens” is anti GG. Which means followers of GG are letting their emotions run rampant to the point they render themselves vulnerable to confirmation bias.

          • loranna238

            My issue is that even if she did cheat, which I don’t know for sure, it’s that it’s a hot button for men to just get on board the “vileness” train. I think in the majority of men’s mind cheating is never justified. And I hate to put this out here right now, but if Enron is like this and does these things, and is capable of it, then maybe cheating in this case might have been justified. Cause that’s downright scary.

            Again to clarify it doesn’t matter to me whether she did or did not cheat. It matters to me what he did about it. It’s one thing to try to take what’s your’s from a relationship and be fair about it, but it’s absolutely sociopathic and manipulative to create this whole exaggerated monster out of someone while pushing an entire group’s buttons. Which is what he did. He pushed EVERYONE’S buttons. And he admits it. He made suggestions, laid the foundations for fires, did a lot of things that are just crazy. Those are things you can see, things people think he is the “man” for doing, and they are wrong. And the fact that people defend him on these things is downright disturbing.

          • Dexter

            Eron was wrong. Zoe was wrong. You won’t convince internet readers which pieces of “evidence” to trust and which to distrust. It’s a waste of time to think you can.

            In my opinion, they were both wrong. They are both seemingly morally reprehensible people – depending on how much of a cynical paranoid conspiracy theorist you are – your story may differ. The difference is that if what Eron did can be proven, is also illegal let alone vengeful. Zoe may have cheated, but most people don’t cheat to destroy someone. Nonetheless, hearing about someone getting cheated on often evokes a strong visceral reaction toward that person based off of the reader’s experience with infidelity. I stand by my theory that your attitude towards infidelity will completely shape your attitude toward this story.

            I’ve been cheated on. She fought tooth and nail until I provided evidence. Then she started to blame me. I was hurt, so I looked her right in the eye and said “If I ever have a chance to ruin your life, I will” and I 100% meant it. I had a hatred so deep for her, that it scared me. The difference is, I dealt with my emotions in a semi-healthy way that allowed me to cool down and move on after realizing she wasn’t worth the time and energy it would even take to get revenge. If I was more resourceful and vengeful I would definitely take any chance I had to get any kind of non violent revenge like calling the police to report her for illegal activity (for which she most certainly was partaking in). Or calling her company to tell them she was having an affair with her married manager who promoted and gave her a raise (Also true). Would this make me spiteful? Yes. A horrible person? I think not in the slightest. The only reason more people don’t get revenge on their cheating partners is because it’s too much time and effort. You give these people resources, and I can guarantee we have an epidemic of cheater-revenge on our hands. To ignore the visceral reaction being cheated on/betrayed evokes in a person is to do yourself a disservice. It’s only when you start fabricating things and breaking laws to get your revenge that you become a despicable human being.

            To outright dismiss being cheated on as the catalyst for extreme behavior is to highlight your lack of empathy. Same lack of empathy is shown by those who say Zoe should be killed/raped/tortured. I think most of us can safely say we are not in either extreme.

            What Eron did was much more frightening. I totally understand his motivations – but he became obsessed and took it too far. He will probably pay for it in court. Still, that won’t change the unthinking, viscerally-reacting masses from having their own opinions (that were likely cemented from the very first article they read about Gamergate). To me, they are both morally suspect people. I don’t care if they have or in the future donate money or spend 10 hours helping a charity.

          • loranna238

            You know what…that is actually a good point for thought. No one questions Enron about whether he framed her or made up shit or blew stuff out of proportion. You just all take him at his word. And from what you just said, it seems like you’re perfectly ok with that, and don’t see any hypocrisy in it at all.

        • loranna238

          Except it’s totally possible to fake this and take snippits from other conversations and move them around. You must have no experience with photoshop. Do you want me to show you how?

          • minmod

            Eron has a video where he shows the comments on a live facebook feed.

        • Mr Corrections

          Haha wow, you’re comparing a creepy stalker to who now

    • ReallyNotThough

      Seriously, how can you read Eron;s comments there and not realize you’re dealing with an angry abusive dickbag?

      • raveur

        How can you not realize you’re dealing with someone who simply has little relationship experience and has been victimized by an emotional abuser? If the genders had been reversed, it would be obvious and you’d call the lying cheater an abuser. But here you are, clearly incapable of any mental flexibility

        • ReallyNotThough

          Hahaha because I can read his angry, desperate, creepy fucker views, and read about his angry, stalking, creepy fucker actions.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Also, legit, if Eron thinks giving a woman’s personal information to a group of people openly talking about raping her and making her kill herself could *ever* be okay, as retribution for *anything*, then he needs to never be around another human being.

          • raveur

            What personal information? I read his entire post. All I saw was her name.

            Everything else is claims by this Boston article which are not proven to me

          • ReallyNotThough

            Read the burgersandfries chatlogs. He talked about her weight, medical history, neighborhood, friends, hotel choices, tax status, and business.

            He didn’t have anything to say about many openly discussing how to make her commit suicide, though.

          • raveur

            link?

          • ReallyNotThough

            hahahaha wooooooow

            maybe you should have looked into how your hate movement started before joining it?

            http://puu.sh/boAEC/f072f259b6.txt

          • raveur

            Oh now, I’m part of a hate movement?

            Again with your black-and-white brain. Learn nuance. Good exercise for the brain

          • ReallyNotThough

            Yes, people who blame victims for stalking and abusing tend to be.

            Here’s Eron stalking Zoe:

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/stalkingzoe.png

          • raveur

            If that screenshot is true, I’ll grant you he’s a stalker.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Okay. Maybe look into it before you continue to help his stalking harassment camapaign by posting his BS all over the internet?

            Here he is on Reddit, perfectly okay with GG passing around Quinn’s nudes and harassing her with them.

            https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/adultindustry.png

          • raveur

            Another ridiculous claim that simply lowers you to the levels of this campaign you’re attacking.
            How am I helping a stalking campaign by presenting the motivations of a stalker?

            By your logic, we shouldn’t even bother to publish or look at what motivates terrorists because that would just be helping the terrorists. Stupid

          • ReallyNotThough

            “How am I helping a stalking campaign”

            By posting private, and unconfirmed, information about the target of his stalking?

            What could possibly have gone wrong in your life that you think passing around personal info marked up with the comments of a hateful asshole as if it proves that the hateful asshole was in the right, could not be considered helping that hateful asshole?

          • raveur

            This is not personal info. Dont’ even compare this to doxxing. Stupid argument.

            This is a legitimate document that needs to be published and either refuted or backed up. But it needs to be presented in order for that to happen. You just want to bury what hurts your world view. And you talk about journalistic ethics as if you can even understand what it takes to have a public discourse

          • raveur

            Taking off. Cheers

          • ReallyNotThough

            Good work finding something else to do besides defending and helping stalkers.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I didn’t. If it’s real, it is by definition personal info, in that it was not posted by Quinn publicly.

            How are you confused about the meaning of the word “personal”

            “This is a legitimate document that needs to be published and either refuted or backed up

            The fuck? No, Facebook chatlogs don’t need to be published, especially if they in no way affect the content of the article.

          • loranna238

            Wait. How on earth can you verify that what you posted is legitimate? It’s screenshots of text messages. I could take them, and patch them together seemlessly and no one would know the difference. Because it’s all kind of uniform you know? It would take some time, but if we’ve learned something…Enron is very methodical in how he dismantles people he thinks have wronged him.

          • Mr Corrections

            Ah. See I told you it wouldn’t stick.

          • Mr Corrections

            This is the closest thing I’ve ever seen to a concession to reality from a GamerGater.

            Obviously it won’t stick, but damn, just for a second there that guy nearly grasped reality.

          • Simon White

            The screenshot is easily checkable by the message number, and GGers will have diligently checked by now.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Here’s Eron encouraging channers to stalk Quinn’s tax records: https://idledillettante.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/eingj2.png

          • Mr Corrections

            GamerGate is a recognised hate group that indisputably exists only to harass women, so yes you are part of a hate movement.

            I hope that helps!

          • loranna238

            You don’t even see it, do you? It’s sad.

          • ginmar

            There’s no nuance here. You are defined by the way you’re dying to attack a woman based on nothing more than the bullshit of her toxic ex. You’re panting to attack her.

          • derpderpderp

            adfafda Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

          • loranna238

            Oh Jesus Christ. Oh sweet…they…seriously, all the comments about her being free to fuck and such and all the stuff. She made a game for awareness. I don’t even understand how people can act like this anymore.

          • kajidono

            Most of the rage came from her making a terrible game and then sleeping with reporters in the industry to get good reviews of it. This article is slanted to make it look entirely like she was a victim just because she’s a woman. That’s a lie.

          • ginmar

            The lie is the shit you’re spouting, which comes from her freaky ex.

          • kajidono

            And some of the reporters she slept with, who admitted it. Your ball, white knight.

          • ginmar

            Nobody admitted it, asshole. Christ, you little fuck wits think that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes reality.

          • kajidono

            Yeah, keep lying. Maybe she’ll let you hit it again.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adfadfdfaf

          • ginmar

            Ah, a fan! How sweet. I have no idea who you are and I don’t care, but it looks like you find me fascinating enough to pay attention.

            I’ll forget you with the last keystroke.

          • derpderpderp

            yeah baby cakes. I laughed a lot at the part where you called someone explaining how alimony actually works an “Anti-Feminist” and claimed you had no need for their opinions. That was like 10 years ago and you don’t seem to have matured. How sad. But I still love you girly.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adfadfdfafdfdafadfasdfdfafdadf

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            Adfadfafa

          • loranna238

            See this is where your logic fails to me. Anyone who writes a game like this, a depression simulator, knows it’s not going to sell well. Who honestly would actually want to play something like it? But it’s to raise awareness of an issue and invoke understanding. That’s not a AAA game. That’s not something that you sleep with reporters about. And making a game like that and spending your time on it when you could be making something more fun and interesting..is that really a bad thing? You call it a shitty little game. And that’s your opinion, but I see in it someone who spent time to do something to show people an alternate view of things. It just fails my logic to think why it would even be worth sleeping with people in order to get it out there when people would be like..yeah this is something worth looking at, because it is something necessary. And it would just eventually sit there, or maybe be used as a teaching tool, or whatever..

            Then of course it is the gamergate logic to say that if anyone gives something a positive review for any reason that it must be collusion of some kind, either sexual, or monetary. That is, if you don’t like the game or don’t feel it is worth anything yourself. The five guys thing is pure genious. It’s assumed that because the game has no value to you, it must be true, because how could it have any value to anyone else? Also, it’s just the right amount of men. It’s not too little, and not too much.

          • kajidono

            It’s the opinion of everyone who played it after all of the reporters she slept with and all the other reporters they were networked with rated it a AAA game. When people pointed that out, the publications attacked gamers as a whole to cover up their little conspiracy. That did not go over well. People hate that kind of thing no matter how many essays you write about poor little zoe quinn.

          • ginmar

            After all those 0 reporters? You gators really need to stop reading only one another.

          • kajidono

            You mean Nathan Grayson, reporter for Kotaku, who was her boyfriend before all this blew up? No way she would have slept with him, right? Drool more.

          • ginmar

            You mean Nathan Grayson, who NEVER REVIEWED HER GAME, and who she went with after she dumped her psycho stalker ex? HE NEVER WROTE ABOUT HER.

            Thanks for once again demonstrating that amazing gator honesty.

          • ragething

            you know there is medication available…. there are people that you can talk to about your anger issues. Those people are not the general public on forums. shh.

          • ginmar

            Why don’t you go talk to someone about your sexist stalker asshole issues? Because what you don’t realize is that anger is entirely appropriate when confronted with a bunch of smeary-butted gamers who hate women and do everything in their power to make excuses for abusing them and then lying about it.

          • ragething

            And you are absolutely begging to get that anger out. You only need an excuse. look at what you’ve written. I suspect you’re probs in your 20s yet you sound like you’re barely out of school. your future self will be ashamed once you gain some introspection.

          • ragething

            im guessing you are in your 20s. However, you come across as an angsty teenager. Your future self will be ashamed once you learn some introspection. It’s either that or arrested development.

          • Steel Beams

            Hey… looking for this? https://archive.is/NeJis

          • ginmar

            Um…….that’s a list of games. I mean, technically, that’that’s writing, in that I GUESS that’s writing in some incredibly limp, lame, incredibly stupidly technical way…..

            Christ, I thought Eron Gjoni was a loser. You’re making him look, okay, not good but less bad by contrast.

            Sheeeesh, what a fucking moron you are.

          • Steel Beams

            This is only about ✿✿Nathan✿✿, dear. Who mentioned Eron?… (◡‿◡✿) U! (O‿O✿)

          • DemiMOAR

            “Sheeeesh, what a fucking moron you are.”

            Shame on you, ableist shitlord! How dare you use derogatory terms for the mentally handicapped?! Do you realize that is what the Nazi’s did?

            As a demisexual, I’ve been harassed by bullies like you my entire life. I demand a public apology, if not, then I you’re literally admitting you’re a bigoted racist.

          • ginmar

            Troll moar. It……just lacks a certain depth.

          • DemiMOAR

            Ok, I’m sorry. Do you have a Patreon I can donate to?

          • kajidono

            I mean Nathan Grayson, whom she slept with and makes your statement that she slept with “0 reporters” a lie. Here is an article written by Nathan Grayson involving zoe quinn, further establishing you as a liar.

            http://tmi.kotaku.com/the-indie-game-reality-tv-show-that-went-to-hell-1555599284

            You may now resume masturbating furiously and spanking yourself to naked pictures of zoe.

          • loranna238

            Which…have been proven false…again.

          • kajidono

            Lol, not at all. Be gone little troll.

          • loranna238

            Hmm. I wonder if being called a troll in this context should be a badge of honor. Especially since I’ve done nothing trolllike, not called anyone any names, and been very very reasonable about things.

          • kajidono

            Post your proof then. Her boyfriend, who writes for Kotaku, was credited in the game itself. They admitted he beta tested it after claiming he wasn’t involved, then backpedaled and claimed he wasn’t involved again. With his name in the credits…

          • loranna238

            One guy does not equal five. Thanking someone does not equal sleeping with them. Sleeping with them – depending on when it was done, does not equal collusion necessarily. Posted Twitter conversations that could have been edited and were carefully constructed, and interpreted do not equal proof. A he said/she said does not equal proof. Like I’ve mentioned before, I don’t care about Zoe’s personal life or what she may have or have not done. I don’t have the hot button about infidelity that you folks do. What I care about is that this person decided to unleash the horde trolls on someone, exaggerate things to the nth degree and keep on fanning the flames to destroy someone else. You may think that is justified. I do not. Personally, I don’t see how any woman can stand to be around him after what he has done.

            Personally, I hate it when women use their bodies to get ahead. But I am also keenly aware that any time a woman is successful, or any time she gets anywhere she is almost instantly accused of this sort of thing unless she is exceedingly careful. It’s like guys say – I don’t like this person. I don’t like the thing they made, her ex has posted “proof” which is some text conversation, etc. I’ve spoken to the ex-roommate’s best friend and she says x about this girl. She treated him awfully and abused her boyfriend. And so on and so forth. It always happens. When my best friend comes to me before any facts are out and says Five Guys Burgers and Fries is legit, that’ a problem for me. Because I know. It’s the fastest dirtiest, and easiest way to take a woman down and invalidate her. Infidelity. The sex card. And you guys all have a hot button for it.

            So yes, if she slept with Greyson that’s her problem. It’s not mine. I dont’ know when she did it, and if she did. You can’t offer any proof either and it comes down to what you believe, and in the end, it’s a witch hunt. And I don’t like witch hunts. I don’t like pre-existing sexist prejudices that say that everything you read from the ex-boyfriend MUST be true. I don’t like what Enron did, it is dispicable to say the least, and I dont’ like Gamergate because not matter how much you protest and say it’s about journalism, it began with this garbage.

            I am not a troll, but I’m also not going to go along with you folks because you decided your bro dude is some sort of hero for getting hundreds of people to harass his ex girlfriend and then morph it into some kind of journalism ethics thing by unsubstantiated claims she slept with 5 guys, and then go on to say that any time anyone reviews anything positively that you happen to not like they are guilty of some sort of bizarre collusion in some kind of master plan. You love your amateur sluethdom and are almost but not quite as offensive as Republicans with their half-truth memes.

          • kajidono

            Ok, they were dating. Or do you not know the meaning of boyfriend? Also naked pictures, lots of them. Grats on being on the internet for less than 5 minutes, since that’s the only way you could have missed that.

            All twitter is archived. In fact, the Library of Congress has a project to archive every single tweet since the service started and every tweet that will ever be made. So no, not edited.

            You can’t hate it when women use their bodies to get ahead and be defending zoe quinn. She is one of the worst choices you could possibly pick on the entire planet.

            So now every single scandal is judged only by what started it and nothing else? That doesn’t even make sense.

            Yeah, I knew you were a braindead liberal. Spew more talking points. The rest of us are basking in the glory of the recent MASSIVE loss in the UK elections. Get used to that, irrelevant one.

          • loranna238

            #1 Yes, I can. Because seriously, even if you have proof, which I would love to see this information, it doesn’t prove that she slept with 5 guys. It also doesn’t prove where in the relationship she slept with him.

            #2 – seriously, it’s their business and what the fuck is up with the naked pictures? People can do that you know, it’s not shameful. I don’t consider it shameful.

            #3 – The mere FACT that this is supposedly being used against her without any definitive proof is enough for me, because it’s the whole scarlett woman approach to things.

          • kajidono

            No you wouldn’t love to see it, or you’d type it into google and spend the rest of the night reading. Or you’d have already done it, considering this all went down last year. But you won’t, because you’d rather flail around from your high horse like anyone cares.

            You don’t consider it at all or you’d have figured out the point without having your hand held like a remedial student.

            You don’t know whether there’s proof or not as you haven’t put the slightest bit of effort into looking. Which is typical for a liberal zombie.

          • loranna238

            You know the problem is, you assume everything and what is it for? It’s like, wow, she slept with some dude…burnnnnnnnn…because of what her boyfriend said? Seriously? Like I said, that while I am aware some women use their bodies to get ahead it is also the fastest way to invalidate someone, to accuse them of this.

          • kajidono

            You really think nobody did any digging at all on this story? Wasn’t that my original point, that this article only skimmed the surface of what happened with very little research?

          • Simon White
          • SKN

            It doesn’t even matter. There is literally no reason to ever post ANY identifying information of another person on the internet. Literally none. If he wants to cry and scream, he should have done by himself, or with his friends, not with millions of strangers. What a colossal loser.

          • loranna238

            And this does not worry you? He could of been texting himself for all we know. Also like the whole thing with just releasing it like that…and he’s released things besides that.

        • loranna238

          This dude is a sociopath. He was very cold and calculating throughout the whole thing and was pushing her buttons. Also, I have to say – everyone just takes Enron for his word. No one questions him, and the fact that he did this at all.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Ya know what, this canard of “genders getting reversed” is getting really old. It’s a hypothetical and we can all make up whatever response we’d ideally make to this fictitious situation but I’ll humor you. If a woman split up with a dude and shot her tell all accusations of him sleeping around on message board after message board and got kicked off for being inappropriate multiple times before finally posting it on livejournal what would I say to this hypothetical woman?
          I’d say give it up already and I’d suggest she stop stalking someone she obviously hates to itty bitty pieces and do something productive with her time.
          Happy?

          • Mr Corrections

            There’s a shithead like this at my work, who will start ranting about how women always win custody cases in divorces and how the legal system is biased towards women & aargle bargle feminazis etc.

            Not that it was particularly hard before, but it became really easy to shut that guy down when it turned out he had actually won the custody case for his child.

          • Michael Lindsay

            A friend of mine went all MRA for similar reasons. In his case his ex had cheated on him but this whole MRA thing seems to channel the worst impulses of guys who are feeling bitter and hurt. Love hurts, sometimes the other party is at fault and people can be shits, but FFS their entire gender isn’t to blame. That’s nuts. Ultimately those who trade in the bitterness of men feeling hurt after bad relationships don’t help them. As much as this Gonj guy irritates the hell out of me he isn’t actually being helped by Gamergate or the MRAs. They’re in it for the LOLs, trading in a promising career to keep these gossipy little sadists entertained on the bones of your last failed relationship sure as heck doesn’t sound like a good future to me.

          • loranna238

            I think he had no idea to be honest that he would be fired over this. People like him don’t think about those sorts of things. He spent a long time formulating his plans, but he never thought about that detail, or how it might backfire. He just assumed, and rightly so, that certain people would have their hot buttons pushed and react accordingly. It’s rather silly actually if you think about it, the easiest and most damning thing to ever accuse a woman of is infidelity. It’s a real hot button for men. I wonder if at any point infidelity is actually justified to a man – but that’s neither her nor there. It is a hot button. He knew what to do, how to do it, and wanted to do this because of his own reasons.

            He basically manipulated everyone else to get revenge on his ex. He planned all that out, but didn’t think of unintended consequences, and in the end he will probably lose. And he will undoubtably make a fatal misstep somewhere, because this is how these things go.

        • ginmar

          Um, sweetie, there’s this thing called proof. It doesn’t matter how much you want revenge on that girl in the third grade. Buying into Gjonji’s lies just makes you a misogynist, not a hero. He’s an asshole. You’re his willing dupe because you know girls will never like you.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            Afddafdsdafasf

      • Person Person

        You’re being manipulated by a very slanted writer.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Huh? I’m talking about Eron’s own comments in the marked-up chatlogs that raveur provided.

          Look, I know the GG party line is that other people can’t read what Eron and GG say with their own eyes, but we can. You don’t have to pretend we can’t.

          • Person Person

            I encourage everyone to read them in full.

          • ReallyNotThough

            I did. In addition to what I know of his actions, that’s how I know he’s an abusive and creepy fucker.

            So you don’t have to pretend I can’t see what he’s doing with my own eyes anymore, right?

        • loranna238

          Slanted how? Seriously, after the things he did, how can you view him otherwise? Whatever he *thinks* she did and how hurt he was by it (if he is capable of that), it did not justify his response. It’s not slanted to view it this way.

          • Person Person

            Slanted by not giving all the details, just the ones that fit the narrative.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Please explain how a chatlog provided specifically by Eron can be slanted against Eron.

          • loranna238

            The only thing I need to know, dear, are the bare facts. That he kept this up and going for a long time and then initially released this to have her harassed. You can still say well she did x,y,z, but there’s a reason why adults do not drag their personal affairs into the open. He did it with a specific intent and kept it going. Those are truths that can be seen and witnessed. I think he is dispicable to be honest.

    • Michael Lindsay

      That’s a lotta typing.

      Of someone’s ex, by name, in public. Such a thing as “not airing your dirty laundry” you know, boundaries and such?

    • loranna238

      So…this is supposed to make me feel that she’s a horrible human being right? And has no character.

      (sigh) I’ve done some pretty messed up things myself. And I regret them, but I can honestly say I didn’t have my head on straight when I did them and that I am sorry for it.

      But – these boys don’t understand that kind of thing, and think someone’s the man who puts together different parts of a conversation and don’t even think to question whether they are legit or not. All you have to do is seriously accuse a woman of sleeping with multiple men and copy paste time-undefined twitter conversations that could have been patched together seamlessly and you have all the proof you need to create a witch hunt.

      • Person Person

        Does it make you a horrible human being to cheat on someone 5 times? I don’t like to paint a person as horrible or monster as you do, but I would probably call her a horrible girlfriend.

        • Mr Corrections

          So that makes it OK for a group of strangers to harass her non-stop for months and months. Got it, thanks.

        • ReallyNotThough

          You know, if you don’t like a woman you’ve been seeing for five months, maybe just break up with her, instead of stalking her for 8 months afterwards?

          Also, if you think that sleeping around while on a break in a relationship, in which on party has explicitly said they’ve broken up, is “cheating”, then it might not be a bad idea to never date anyone ever.

          • Person Person

            You clearly don’t know the timeline. Fail.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Huh? The chatlogs you yourself posted say that the Grayson thing was after the first time they broke up.

        • loranna238

          Umm. Yeah. The give guys thing is infectious, isn’t it. It’s brilliant actually – in a sociopathic way. But there’s no proof she did any of that, either. And I don’t call text messages posted on the internet from the ex proof. So I had someone who treated me really really badly, and at one point I was angry enough to want revenge. I basically attributed everything known bad to mankind to them. But – then I realized what I was doing and I stopped. Enron doesn’t have the emotional capacity or empathy to realize this and it’s all a game to him. So what if she made mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes. He who is without sin, cast the first stone and all that. But there’s no Jesus here to say this about Zoey, is there? Anyone who says that what he did to her was horrific and unjustified and quite possibly made up is apparently delusional.

          Symptoms of behavior, the methodicalness of it etc. He is very very much a sociopath I’m afraid.

          • Person Person

            She has never disputed cheating. In fact some of the five she cheated on have confirmed it. So there’s that. I wouldn’t call someone who cheated on me at least 5 times ‘making mistakes.’ I’d call them slime. “He who is without sin”? Well I’ve never cheated on anybody if that’s what you mean.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Neither has she confirmed it. She said “it’s none of your business” which is as true today as it ever was.

          • ginmar

            Er, actually, you’re lying. Stop citing shit by that sleaze Eron.

            God, gators are stupid. They think if one of their assholes farts out something they want to believe, that makes it true.

          • Snoopy

            Hardly. That editor guy’s (zq’s “boss”) wife was on Twitter after her husband’s infidelity broke and my god, was she foaming at the mouth. I understand why ZQ was desperate to keep this affair a secret.

            Luckily she had already taken STD tests but with some of them must be repeated after a period of time. That’s the problem with people who can’t keep their genitalia in check – they create more problems than they’re worth.

          • ReallyNotThough

            You know you can just read People magazine for your gossip, right?

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

          • loranna238

            Yeah, ok. Right. I think you need to go back to the tabloid stand and get some more koolaid while you are at it.

          • pandora delphy

            Internet psych diagnosis! Very nice.

  • Andrea Porzio

    I just found out that Zoe harassed herself on Wizard Chan as confirmed by HotWheels. I bet she was hypnotized by the evil GGers and tricked into doing this to herself.

    • Mr Corrections

      Shut up idiot.

      • Andrea Porzio

        stop harassing me, you evil GGer!

        • Mr Corrections

          Shut up idiot

          • Andrea Porzio

            you must have been infected by the typical GG hatred.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Hahaha you get that it’s normal to dislike lying hate movements, right?

          • airmanjoe

            Nobody’s denying that. Calling movements that you disagree with “hate movements” arbitrarily does not make them so.

          • ReallyNotThough

            Nope, but being founded specifically as an abuse campaign, and lying about and harassing people constantly, does make them so.

          • Mr Corrections

            I’m sorry, there seems to have been a miscommunication here. I think you should shut up, because you’re an idiot.

            I hope that help!

    • ReallyNotThough

      If something is confirmed by a guy who runs /pol and various child porn and swatting boards, it MUST be true!

      • Andrea Porzio

        so why doesn’t Zoe ask HotWheels for the evidence since it’s so easily disprovable?
        probably she’s so compassionate she doesn’t want to make him look bad.

        • ReallyNotThough

          Why would Quinn want to interact with the owner of a fascist child porn site that posts her personal information?

        • ReallyNotThough

          Also, if GG could be swayed by proof, you all wouldn’t be here still pushing the sex for coverage lie.

    • loranna238

      Yeah, ok. Next!

    • Matthew Lane

      Just like Brianna Wu was when she created an entire thread just to bully herself, but forgot to log out of her real account into a strawman account.

      • ginmar

        Gee, fancy meeting you here.

        • Matthew Lane

          Do I know you?

          • pandora delphy

            I’m sure you don’t. Best course of action is to ignore good old gin.

          • Matthew Lane

            Who the heck is she? he?

  • Jamesworkshop

    history of all hitherto existing societies is ethics in videogame journalism

    • Michael Lindsay

      Stonehenge, took a lot of people to put that together. Collusion!

      • Jamesworkshop

        How many MRA did it take to make Stonehenge
        Not all of them

  • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

    8 months on, and the same reality free, predefined ideologically driven script drones on. Mainstream journalism got caught with UVA/Rolling Stone. This codswallop is no different – other than it thinks it can get away with it.

    • ginmar

      Pretty rich coming from a guy supporting anti social misogynist stalkers.

      • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

        Haw haw. Where would you clowns be without Thought Terminating Cliches? You’d just be goldfish gulping air, with nothing to say. You’d be high comedy, a la ’70s John Waters, were it not for the real world harm you cause everywhere you go. The tide has turned chumpy. You need to come up with more than just defamatory buzzwords.

        http://greylining.com/2013/02/14/the-thought-terminating-cliche/

        • ReallyNotThough

          You get that “thought terminating cliche” is itself a cliche that GG invented in order to avoid engaging with ideas you dislike, right?

          • Unlucky Eddy

            Which side actively blocks comments and aggressively hides from criticism?

          • ReallyNotThough

            “aggressively hides from criticism?”

            Probably the side that is right now whining about an article critical of Eron, and that is still whining about articles 8 months ago saying that gaming is diverse, and that can’t fucking handle a Youtuber saying some games are sexist?

          • Unlucky Eddy

            When you look at FemFreq and other anit-GG people they turn off or heavily moderate comments on Youtube, rather than let people speak to hide from criticism, calling it misogynistic, bulling or harassment.

            The only other group of people I see doing things like that are people like Joshua Feuerstein, Ken Ham, and other such people who don’t want to hear any thing that questions their world view.

            Yes there are trolls out there, and for the most part I ignore them, I guess being an old fart such as I am I know that they lose interest if ignored, let them yell at the walls and don’t engage.

          • ReallyNotThough

            “they turn off or heavily moderate comments on Youtube”

            Hahahahahaha wow how will enlightened discourse continue without youtube comments.

            “calling it misogynistic, bulling or harassment.”

            Maybe because a huge proportion of it is?

            ” for the most part I ignore them,”

            Okay, but you realize everyone not in your cult has no obligation to ignore the thousands of harassers, stalkers, and bigots who make up the public face of your movement, right?

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            “misogynistic”. 60 years ago it was “communist”. Centuries ago, “witchcraft”. Only the labels change – the stupid remains the same.

          • loranna238

            Pretty much it is a witch hunt.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Is there a House Un-American Activities Committee threatening to destroy your career for being a misogynist-no. Are you going to be burned alive for being a misogynist. No. Are you being a tad melodramatic? Yes!

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            You don’t see what you don’t want to see. Scumbags have been relentlessly trying to doxx me and threaten my family for years. There is an endless list of people who dissent and have their employment threatened – some have lost their jobs as a result. #GGinDC had a credible – as opposed to Sarkeesian fantasist – bomb threat called in. This is precisely how HUAC operated Pollyanna. This is the tip of the iceberg of how Quinn groupies behave. Not to mention Quinn herself who boasts of stabbing some stranger in the face. Repugnant people. And you pretend otherwise.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well, sorry that’s happened to you. Equally sorry you can’t muster up the empathy to recognise it’s happening to people who hold opposing beliefs to you and it’s being done by people who hold beliefs similar to yours.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            “Empathy” – you use that word like you understand what it means. Slack jawed hipsters. You need a good dose of poverty to wake the fuck up.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’ve been homeless and I’ve been poor. Sorry, but my dose of poverty didn’t make your flawed thinking look any more plausible.

          • Mr Corrections

            God what a horrible person you are. No wonder you’re part of a hate group like GamerGate.

          • loranna238

            Seriously, she didn’t do that (say she stabbed someone in the face). That was a story told by the friend of a roommate who says they got it off facebook. That’s some straight-up tabloid shit right there.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2014/10/04/zoe-quinns-lying-cheating-claim-stabbing-killing-man-alleged-former-photographer/

            Quinn is a Munchausean fantasist. It doesn’t matter if it’s true – what matters is that the sick piece of crap thinks these fables impress others.

            That is what GG is about – losers like Quinn being this repugnant.

          • ginmar

            Apparently GG is okay with a bunch of losers just repeating the same sexist lies ad nauseum and at full volume to substitute for actual facts.

          • qmechanik

            Congratulations. You’re famous in menkampf.

          • ginmar

            Yeah, a bunch of gamers telling carefully-edited lies about women?

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adadfadsfasdfafsafsafdsdaf

          • loranna238

            How do you report someone? This is getting annoying.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You can flag it, but the go to people would be the magazine. They’re the ones who ultimately decide what goes here.
            It is annoying, but it’s not helping their cause. They followed their women-hating fascist mentors Theodore Beale’s advice to “Open up your hate and let it pour over them…until they fall silent.” http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/02/27/vox-day-on-feminists-open-up-your-hate-and-let-it-pour-over-them-until-they-fall-silent/comment-page-2/
            We didn’t, must suck to be them.

          • derpderpderp

            Are you asking me? Are you seriously this stupid?

          • derpderpderp

            Are you asking me? Are you seriously this stupid? adad

          • derpderpderp

            Are you asking me? Are you seriously this stupid? AFDAFDSF

          • derpderpderp
          • derpderpderp

            I find myself wondering if you actually think being a stupid catty hobag on the internet is going to bother me. :( :( :(.

            OH THIS IS SO ANNOYING I CANT JUST MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONLINE COMMENT (LIKE ANY HEALTHY INDIVIDUAL) BECAUSE IT HAS MY PANTIES ALL TWISTED WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

          • derpderpderp

            Hey is it annoying that I have responded to you multiple times?

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            Adfadsafsdfsadf

          • loranna238

            Hmm. This is interesting, Let me try again. Again, this is tabloid word of mouth shit.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What GG is about is reaction to change, pure and simple. Gamergate are reactionaries and they focus that reactionary anger on targets that embody those changes to their world. If you look at Gamergate’s targets they each represent the social changes that Gamergate fears. Quinn, making small independent games designed to raise social awareness, Sarkeesian raising awareness of the toxic elements in gaming culture and the gaming industry. These are discussions that Gamergate would simply rather not see.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            You dimwit. It’s neopuritanism. Fear, guilt, shame. You are the new catholic church. You can’t get anymore conservative.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You can call a chicken egg a full grown ostrich and it ain’t necessarily so.

            Maybe people would take GG more seriously if you didn’t pour so much energy into demanding that people not say things that upset you while you’re wailing about witch burnings, red scares and and the Spanish Inquisition!

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            And Sarkeesian. Lol. She is laughing all the way to the bank. Great frauds always do.

          • ginmar

            You gatorholes are still bitter over the fact that your harassment was what made her such a success, aren’t you? You harassed her with the usual made-up bullshit and decent people who aren’t basement-dwelling assholes saw what assholes you are, and suddenly, her little series became a big huge deal.

            All thanks to your lies and harassment. Boy, that just SUCKS for you, doesn’t it?

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adfadfdfafdadfasfrsesfsdsfsdf

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well, Sarkeesian might have only been a rather obscure Vlogger essayist if it weren’t for the concerted efforts of your compadres. The relentless harassment and tinfoil hat conspiratorial ravings of people like yourself were what propelled her to fame.
            If she’s laughing all the way to the bank that’s on you and yours, more power to her I say.

          • loranna238

            It is very republicanesque. The sort of thing that says that Obama is controlling the weather with HAARP

          • loranna238

            Sarkeesian isn’t a fraud, she’s a commentator. If you don’t like what she said, that’s fine. I’ve seen people accuse her of lying over the most ridiculous things. Which are not lies. Say for instance the whole thing with Jade. They completely ignore that Jade wouldn’t of had to have sacrificed herself if she hadn’t of been kidnapped as a power play between two men to begin with. They say it’s a lie when Anita comments that she is still reduced to being an object in that case. No, no matter what the damsel is forced to do in the end (like sacrifice herself) it is not a lie she was used as a pawn or a ball between two men, one of which wanted to show the other up. Jade wouldn’t free herself in these situations because that would make the protagonist not successful in getting what is his back. That’s an example. And Anita’s feminist frequency is non-profit, which is subject to IRS regulations. I don’t see any of the youtubers that bash her having a non-profit. All of their shit is directly profit. Also, saying th harassment is fraudulous (apparently I can’t spell) means you haven’t been paying attention and are in denial it is occurring, and like most gaters believe fervantly that she is doing it to herself, ignoring all of the origins of Gamergate, that you can easily look up, ignoring the harassing post, which you can easily see. Ignoring the game where you beat her to a pulp. And then the youtubers cherry-pick her twitter posts…do you know how I know they are cherry picking? Because I READ HER TWITTER POSTS. And not everyone who is with GamerGate or agrees with it uses the goddamn hashtag. Now that the psuedo-intellectual redpillers have joined up, it’s like “we’re not like this,” all the while quoting studies to women who go what the hell are you on that say they are inferior. When umm, yes, it was like this and yes, it is like this. GamerGate began as a harassment movement, no matter what way you look at it, that’s what Enron intended it to be. He intended this to get his ex harassed, and then it moved on to people who knew shit focusing on the whole “journalism ethics” which again still amounts to a scandal about sleeping with journalists, which everyone says she admitted to doing but doesn’t matter. Now it’s anything that you dont’ fucking like is “collusion” of some sort if it gets a good review (Gone Home for example). You don’t like that sort of game, maybe the reviewer does or thinks it’s a good game. COLLUSION! Seriously, you guys are up int he pie-skyland somewheres.

          • pandora delphy

            Why would a woman consider herself part of GG, then? Do you know? Have you bothered to think about why that might be so?

            Before you tell me that I’m a deluded idiot, consider that I will tell you that you’re mansplaining and then begin to throw ad hominems at you in response. That’s the side you’re on.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Hey, plenty of other women have been right-wing reactionary shitbirds. Don’t be sexist.

          • pandora delphy

            Don’t tell a woman what to do or how to think, ‘feminist’. Thanks.

          • Michael Lindsay

            That’s a flat no. Feminist is like-a word and words have definitions. Thanks.

          • pandora delphy

            You, as a man, still don’t get to tell me what to do. Sweetie.

          • Michael Lindsay

            “You can’t tell me what to do”, I never expressed the desire to.

            Hell, if I was able to control what Gators did they’d have common decency and empathy and hence wouldn’t be Gators and this conversation wouldn’t take place.

          • Eggard Snark

            Definition: Trash

          • Michael Lindsay

            Definition: Off topic.

            But of course your off topic, the topic of this article is embarrassing to Gamergaters, that’s why you’re all playing distraction.

          • Eggard Snark

            those shoes with that dress is embarrassing. white knights who stalk this thread for over a week is embarrassing

          • Michael Lindsay

            People using MRA babble un-ironically are mortifying.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            There are two people in this picture. One is a known habitual liar, the other is not. I did the initial detective work, my friend recognised Quinn’s tattooes. She volunteered her recollections. I know who I can trust.

          • loranna238

            Oh. You edited it, that’s why it stopped my comment. Really, though, it’s still tabloid shit.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s their site. Not yours. You don’t get a say.

          • loranna238

            Ok, so the Sydney Opera house turned off comments on Anita’s video when she spoke there. They had to take it down and turn it off. They did it, not Anita. That should be specified. If people were having a debate, that’s one thing. The problem is that people hate her so much that they can’t even do that. So ANOTHER COMPANY came to the decision to disable the comments. She didn’t do it. And there’s a very good reason why. If you don’t want to see the truth, I’m sorry. But you guys don’t really want a debate. You want a bonfire and her burning on it.

          • pandora delphy

            I don’t care about her. I don’t think her methodology is sound, but I could give two hoots.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Don’t forget Scientologists. Carbon copy.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yes, Gamergate are.
            Those mean SJWs they put all the good old games with gore and boobies in a volcano!

          • ginmar

            Yeah, I’m sure that has NOTHING to do with death or rape threats or the sexist bullshit they get thrown at them. Nope, nothing whatsoever.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adfadfdfafdfasdfasfdsaersf

          • Greg Nieto

            Agreed. The ABC Nightline video had a bunch of comments, and none of them were rape or death threats of any sort, of even expressing any desire that she be harmed. Clearly, it genuinely does have nothing to do with threats, and a lot to do with dangerously combating bad ideas.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Someone blocking you or deleting you on their site isn’t censorship. The site belongs to them. Blocking you on social media isn’t either. Nobody has to listen to you if they don’t want to. Maybe you guys need a reminder. Here’s one courtesy of xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            No, it’s called cowardice. That’s how creationists and antivaxxers operate – spout indefensible gibberish and then hide from valid criticism.

          • Michael Lindsay

            It’s their house. It’s their rules. You don’t get a say.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Of course not. That would mean a level playing field, which spells death to any kind of mindless cult. They need to stack the deck. Otherwise, it spells failure. If you are comfortable with cheating to win, and if you were honest (hah!) you would just admit failure and needing special rules because you are a failure.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah, like you GG types want an honest debate. Oh look a pig, with wings.
            That’s why your opponents get harassed, if your ideas stood on their merits they wouldn’t need to.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Right. Show me some merit. Then I might show you some respect.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’ve never desired the respect of anybody identifying with this thing called Gamergate. If I received honest phrase from one of those It’d be time for some serious self reflection and not a little self doubt.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            What a putrid world you inhabit.

          • ginmar

            And your mommy dresses you funny and you stink.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            adfadfdfafdfadafasers

          • loranna238

            Not sure how old you are ginmar, and I realize you are on our side, but this is not helping things.

          • pandora delphy

            She won’t ever help your side. She is a long-standing troll and all-around horrible human being. Enjoy her!

          • pandora delphy

            More intelligence from gin.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah, it’s got gamergaters in it. Never mind, some of them might grow up.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            “I believe in unicorns. You are a unicornist if you deny me”

            Idiot.

            Sorry, no other word.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Of course you’re throwing abuse and you’ve got nothing else to say because, at the end of the day that’s all you’ve ever had to say.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            What is conveniently overlooked – people that don’t spout gibberish and rely on evidence based commentary never have troll problems. DUH!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Uh huh. One of the favorite posters of GG types since he got a bee in his bonnet about feminism is Thunderf00t. He likes to think of himself as a true evidence based type. The guy has always had troll problems.

          • ginmar

            You DO realize that harassing women is as about as status quo as you can get, right? YOU guys are the conservatives. Not us.

          • loranna238

            which side is being continously trolled? Which side denies fervantly that trolling is happening at all and then says it’s no big deal when they admit that death threats occur?

          • facefault

            GG does that all the time. You may recall one of their sites, The Ralph Retort hosted an article claiming to be from an anonymous Harvard professor in support of GG. It sounded like a high school student with a thesaurus.

            I posted my doubts about whether the author was actually a professor in the comments section; so did about five other people.

            Two hours later, every negative comment was gone.

          • ginmar

            I have a gamergator stalking me because I has the temerity to criticize his lies and harassment. He threatened to doxx me as he’d done to other women. Gamergators are lapping up his bullshit despite his “evidence” being MRA sites. Yeah, GG never does anything ethically sleazy oh no.

          • pandora delphy

            So take it to the cops, gin.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Really, you don’t need to supply any further evidence of ignorance. TTC is from a 1953 book studying Chinese and North Korean ideological derangements – scarily similar to that of SJWs. Wikipedia –

            //Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of “Brainwashing” in China is a non-fiction book by psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton on the psychology of brainwashing and mind control.

            Lifton’s research for the book began in 1953 with a series of interviews with American servicemen who had been held captive during the
            Korean War.//

          • ginmar

            Yeah, nothing like whiny white boys complaining bitches are oppressing them.

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Do you tie your own shoelaces?

            When atheists got assaulted in a similar manner by social justice buffoons, we coined a generic label for them – “baboons”. Why? They are mindless, roam the internet in large troops and can do little more than throw feces when it comes to dialogue.

            The label is just as applicable to Zoe Quinn apologists. I have yet to see any kind of coherence or reality supported comments of any kind from any of you.

            All you can do is throw dung.

            The good times are over. Most folks now see you for what you are.

          • loranna238

            Whatever. lol

          • ginmar

            “Most folks” don’t live in their basement in their shit-smeared tighty whities and circle jerk over how bad mean evil girls won’t touch their peepee.

            Go back to your basement.

          • pandora delphy

            Like the basement you’re still in, gin?

            I thought you were a joke of a human being all the way back on LJ and you still are. Keep it up though. People who’ve actually had the displeasure of meeting you know what a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work you are.

          • Locjus

            You are getting reported, stalker.

          • ginmar

            That’s not going to turn out too well for your buddy who’s plastering my discus profile all over.

          • Locjus

            Who cares? You are breaking the law and we are not. I don’t care if you’re doing this for Zoe, Jesus, or Gandhi. Not to mention, if you really thought we were criminals you’d just call the police and call it a day. But instead, you go around stalking people. Nice.

          • Remiel Pollard

            You need to stop stalking this person, it’s creepy and borderline fucking criminal.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            afadsfadfasfadf

          • loranna238

            I suppose repetition is key when trying to take someone down right?

          • derpderpderp

            Are you asking me? Are you seriously this stupid?

          • derpderpderp

            Are you asking me? Are you seriously this stupid? dsAD A

          • derpderpderp
          • derpderpderp

            I suppose it is. I think Whiny White Boys is Ginmars repetition, What is yours?

          • pandora delphy

            This is a white whiny chick claiming that you are a horrible human being and you will continue to be one.

          • https://instagram.com/nicolesashacarey/ Carol Danvers

            They probably took that red pill shizophrenic bullshit seriously lol

          • m monty

            100% correct franc. SJWs over use buzz word like “problematic”, denounce every dissentor as “privileged”, and demand we take away individual’s culture by lumping them together as “Persons of Colour” (could they be anymore racist?) This is clearly brainwashing. Just for fun Google SJWs vs Stormfront (a Reddit group of neo-Nazis). They provide blanks in place of the people whom they are prejudice against, and what we are left with is proof of the exact same ideologies. Thank you for your well reasoned post.

      • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

        Q. What’s a SJW without any thought terminating cliches?

        A. A mute.

        Tide has turned. You need to do better than stock buzzword flip-offs.

        • ginmar

          Aw, angry little white boys trying to feel oppressed! You’re so lame.

          • derpderpderp

            Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

            Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

            Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.

            aFadfasdfasdfsafsf

          • http://greylining.wordpress.com/ Franc

            Still can’t muster a sentence without the cliche. QED.

          • pandora delphy

            Enjoy your white knights. Once they wake up from their beta state who are you going to rely on for support?

            Feminists and SJW eat their own without so much as a second glance. You better make sure you never say a word that deviates from the SJW playbook ever, ginmar.

            Since you have such a rich history of being a lolcow, I wouldn’t bet the rent that you’ll keep from making a mistake.

        • loranna238

          You know you Gaters talk about having a real discussion with people and how SJWs shut you out, yet you choose to say things like this which try to completely invalidate whatever the other side is saying.

          • derpderpderp

            Right because there is a real discussion in response to “Pretty rich coming from a guy supporting anti social misogynist stalkers.”

            Do you know how stupid you are Lorrana? Do you?

          • pandora delphy

            What is ginmar doing in this entire thread? Pray tell.

      • derpderpderp

        Ginmar? You are still around trolling the internets I see, the proverbial Grendal in the woods.

        Everyone should search for ginmar and Encyclopedia Dramatica to see get just a taste of how aggressively stupid this person is. She’s been a known lolcow for about 10 years now.

        Thanks for all the good times sweet thang.
        afdadfad

    • ReallyNotThough

      GG every week they don’t get covered: “Why doesn’t someone ask us what we think?”

      GG the week that someone interviews Eron: “Why does the media keep publishing our shitty opinions!?!?!”

    • Michael Lindsay

      The UK general elections is connected to this…how?

      I’m baffled by how you are connecting the rise of the SNP, the demise of British Labour, the LDP and Ukip parties being dumped by their constituents and the triumph of the Tories with the harassment of Quinn by Gonj’s loser army. What’s the connection here?

      • ragething

        i can make that connection. Radicals have undermined the left and made it a laughing stock. I for one as a lefty am quite miffed by having 4 more years of conservatives because the general populace consider them the lesser of the two evils. well done, kids. That brand of crazy doesn’t actually sell to voters, only post pubescent pups who think the world is out to get them.

        • Michael Lindsay
          • ragething

            And here we go. the relativism escapes you. well done. Another person who cant tell what a spectrum is.. this is why lefties are making themselves a laughing stock. not left wing enough for you? must mean they are right wing. dumb kids.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nah – it’s just that you’re so far right along the spectrum you see British Labour as a bunch of left wing socialists. Labour are centrists, not lefties-that happens to be their selling point.

          • ragething

            once again you miss it. its not what i think. its what joe blogs thinks when he reads the news.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeah Joe Blogs, lotsa people go to Joe when they don’t have anything substantial to bring to the table. Bloke must have quite the in tray.

          • ragething

            thanks for confirming my point. You just showed your contempt for the opinions of the average everyday person. That is why I made that point in the first place. You just dont get it.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I’m fine with average people, imaginary average ones constructed to prove a point don’t get the same level of respect.

          • ragething

            and the denial of evidence continues. this is the reason actual middle of the run people who dont really pick a side and vote for the least worst of the batch end up against you. You are simply delusional and arrogant.

          • Michael Lindsay

            What evidence? You literally made someone up!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Sure, sure. All those people voted SNP because Scottish Labour weren’t Tory enough. Keep telling yourself that if it’ll make you feel better.

          • ragething

            you know you’re a moron for saying that. labour have pushed too many moderates away.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I know that people who don’t have an answer resort to tossing poop.
            Some even think they’re “moderates”.

          • ragething

            pointing out that vacuous statement hurt your feelings. I apologise.

          • Michael Lindsay

            My feelings are fine. You tossing poop because you have no argument makes me happy.

          • ragething

            you really are a projection machine. my hats off to you. At some point I’d have to rethink. you? you just keep on trucking.

          • Michael Lindsay

            “Projection” is just a long winded way of saying “no u”.

            So, tell me again how the scots voted SNP purely to wield off the SJWS!

          • ragething

            the snp are sensible by comparison. the conservatives are sensible by comparison. This from someone who voted green this time. kid, you just dont get it.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Welp, sweet old person-please explain how “controls on immigration, I’m voting Labour” mugs are an example of a party that’s gone all SJW.

  • Clayton Weaver

    Great example of the world’s double standard. A women outs a mentally abusive man that cheats and she is praised the entire time ignoring that the man is being attacked by social media with death threats. A man reveals a mentally abusive woman that cheats (with screencaps of conversations to prove it) and when social media attacks her news outlets flock to her heralding her the victim and the guy a monster.

    • ReallyNotThough

      “mentally abusive woman”

      Nope, that’s just a GG lie because they somehow think that it’s unusual for a woman to be concerned about a man sleeping over with a woman who wants to do him.

      “cheats”

      Having sex on a break isn’t cheating, deal with it.

      “heralding her the victim”

      Think that might have something to do with her being the victim of an 8 month stalking and threatening campaign?

      “the guy a monster.”

      Think that might have something to do with his sociopathic lack of regret for running an 8 month stalking and harassment campaign?

    • Michael Lindsay

      It wasn’t “hey, x sleeps around” it was “here’s a huge manifesto about why I think X is worthy of your hate, also – here’s the contact info.” Also, there relationship was on again off again. If you sleep with someone else when the relationship is “off” it isn’t even infidelity which in any case is a private matter and not anyone else’s business.

      • Matthew Lane

        Right so I’m just going to take a second to distill the smart thing you think you said, into the stupid thing you actually said “even though both are declaring the same thing, his is wrong because it used more words”

        Now please stop with the special pleading, its making you look like a cretin.

        • Michael Lindsay

          With an invitation to harass her.

          There’s also the little matter of all of his whining about cheating actually not being true given that they weren’t in a relationship at the time.

          That’s what “on again, off again” means.

          • Matthew Lane

            “With an invitation to harass her.”

            So exactly like it’s an invitation to harass him, when the shoe is on the other foot? Seriously this is more of the same special pleading, where you try to pretend two identical things aren’t identical because of made up reasons.

            “There’s also the little matter of all of his whining about cheating actually not being true”

            Except it was demonstrably true: Zoe her self admitted that it was true. She even confirmed the salient facts.

            “not being true given that they weren’t in a relationship at the time.”

            Except they were in a relationship when she cheated on him. Again these are objective facts, that you cannot get around & every time you try you make yourself look more like a white knighting cretin by trying.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Nah – it’s just you being unable to differentiate between an obsessive lunatic posting multiple times on multiple forums a manifesto that they lovingly crafted into a rallying cry to summon every stinking misanthrope loser on the internet to punish their ex with idle offhanded gossip about people sleeping around.

            Granted both involve an unhealthy fascination with other people’s private affairs but the former case shows more deliberation and a clearer more specific intent.

            Which is to say you can’t tell clay from something that’s equally brown and smells more like Gamergaters.

          • Matthew Lane

            “Nah – it’s just you being unable to differentiate between an obsessive lunatic posting multiple times on multiple forums a manifesto that they lovingly crafted into a rallying cry to summon every stinking misanthrope loser on the internet to punish their ex with idle offhanded gossip about people sleeping around.”

            I’m sure you can…. Unfortunately you can’t apparently tell the difference between that occurring & that not occurring, since again that objectively didn’t happen.

            Seriously the amount of things that happened only in your mind in this case is amazing… More stuff has happened only inside your mind than actually happened in the real world.

            Stop trying to invent reason to be offended, at some point you are going to have to accept that it is in fact a double standard.

          • Michael Lindsay

            An amazing amount of stuff does happen in my mind, unfortunately this happened in the physical world outside it. What happened in this case was one decidedly creepy individual undertook a methodical plan to destroy his ex girlfriend’s life relying on misanthropes like you to help him along like you’re still doing.
            And to think Gamergaters once tried to convince people that they’d stopped caring about Quinn and called her “literally who”…

          • pandora delphy

            We call her literally who along with the other literally who’s because they are not relevant to the major aim of GG which at this point, is to be an industry watchdog.

            You people are the ones who can’t shut up about her.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Which is why you’re all in this thread huh.

            Right.

          • pandora delphy

            That’s a terrific non-response! Keep up the good work! I’m not surprised that my telling you exactly why literally whos are called literally whos is tossed out the window by you, but then again, most Ghazis act like this.

            Don’t worry, we’ll keep being industry watchdogs. :) Have a great day!

          • Michael Lindsay

            Yeeeah, the “literally who” that scores of Gamergaters in this 6k plus comment thread can’t stop talking about. You got any bridges left on special in your lot?

          • pandora delphy

            You need to follow the right people on twitter, little man. Oh wait! That would require that you take off your blinders and experience reality! Have a super life, guy. You are forever beta.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You can’t refute your sick, sad obsession with the people unfortunate enough to be the focus of your hate campaigns or that you don’t stand for what you proclaim to so you come back with meaningless MRA buzzwords. You guys are becoming more of a parody of yourselves everyday.

          • pandora delphy

            A bomb threat in DC is an actual hate campaign. Get back to me when you understand words.

          • loranna238

            You really should read up, it most definitely did happen. He admits that he released it with the intent for her to be harassed.

            There’s no reason to invent a reason to be offended. It is offensive that he would do it in and of itself. I don’t care what she supposedly did, but this goes beyond the realms of rationality. It’s an obsession. He’s violated his restraining order multiple times to try to take her down.

          • Clayton Weaver

            Again you are showing the double standard people seem to have. The whole point of outing someone’s abuse and affairs by the jilted ex-lover is to get trolls to harass them and to ruin them personally and professionally. There are sites dedicated to doing just that (the one I checked has been around since mid 2010). Stumbled upon one news report that shows one owner of such a site also runs a anti-bullying site, just to give you an idea of how screwed up this world is.

            The thing that surprises me is how many, yourself included, passes it off as “supposedly did” or “allegedly did” even with the screen capture after screen capture of her admitting to doing it in FB private messages on The Zoe Post. Eron Gjoni is a terrible person and there is no arguing that. It is just a shame that people are ignoring Quinn’s acts that make her a terrible person just because of her ex-lover’s over the top outing of her.

          • ginmar

            Yeah, no. Anything by Eron Gjoni is lies. Thanks for playing.

          • m monty

            EG’s bitter rant is true, ZQ does not deny who she slept with. The argument is whether or not it generated favorable press. But then again, I am arguing with a delusional individual who thinks that she is a vet. ZQ, the poster child for your movement, is a pathological liar. It is not surprising that this resonates with you, Janet Eldred is also a pathological liar. It must eat you up that ZQ gets all of the attention, yet you are not clever enough to paint yourself to be nationally recognized as a victim. Maybe you can fabricate a story about online harassment (wait, I saw you tried earlier and no one paid attention). Maybe you could go to the police with a fake rape claim? Keep posting here, we will think of something to get you the attention you deserve. Much love.

          • loranna238

            I think Enron has become rather agitated actually as it never seemed to occur to him that his employer might fire him over what he did and it just might backfire.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Frankly if I never hear Enron’s name from this day forward It’d be a fine thing. He’s less deserving of his fame than Jersey Shore or the Kardashians. I don’t give a toss about what happens to that weasel one way or the other but I’d prefer if he stopped harassing Quinn. At least she’s been able to forge something positive out of this shitstorm by making more people take online harassment seriously and more power to her.

          • pandora delphy

            Insults are so triggering for me, please stop.

      • pandora delphy

        She raped him by her own definition of the word. Said she felt sick about it.

        But by all means keep defending her.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Aw you lil’ stalkers are still playing that ridiculous little line are you. It wasn’t rape, it wasn’t even infidelity and it certainly wasn’t anyone else’s business.

          • pandora delphy

            Why did she cry about it then? Why did she say it was rape?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Not my problem.
            The fact is she raped no one.

          • pandora delphy

            She says she raped him.

            You are espousing an opinion. Opinions aren’t fact. Adieu, mon frere.

          • Michael Lindsay

            She didn’t force anyone to have sex against their consent hence she raped no one. The fact is , you guys don’t really think she did either. It’s just a reflection of the sheer dearth of anything substantial that you do have on your chosen hate object. That’s why you run around accusing them of rape, and probably also being literally Stalin/Hitler. Because you got nothing.

          • pandora delphy

            Who are you to tell a woman that her definition of rape is invalid?

          • Michael Lindsay

            You gamergaters wouldn’t be making a song and dance about it if you didn’t think it was invalid.

    • pandora delphy

      Also, by her own admission, says she raped him. But let’s not think about that, it’s so distasteful. Besides, now she’s famous, and she lives with her exceptionally wealthy boyfriend whose daddy owns mansions on San Juan! Party time!

      Zoe will do just fine for herself.

  • Andrea Porzio

    Eron asked donations to hire a lawyer. I sent him 10k dollars so he can afford his legal expenses and that will prove that he’s wrong and Zoe is right!

    • loranna238

      mmmhmm

  • http://robcypher.blogspot.com/ Rob Cypher

    I’d hit it. Shame on gamergate for its evil.

    • Matthew Lane

      Which evil would that be exactly?

      • http://robcypher.blogspot.com/ Rob Cypher

        all of its evils.

        • Matthew Lane

          Which evil would that be exactly? Define it.

        • Willski.Zk

          Citation please.

          • http://robcypher.blogspot.com/ Rob Cypher

            If you read articles by ms. quinn and anita sarkeesian, you would get all the citations you need. I heard you can also reference someone named brianna wu.

          • Willski.Zk

            Those are not citations, those are just other people opinions…
            “a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author, especially in a scholarly work.”
            When any of these women get higher education and use real statistics I will listen, until then they are mere background noise. Their opinions of the situation are not fact.

  • loranna238

    I think I’m going to be sick. There’s more details here:

    http://idledillettante.com/2014/12/06/eron-gjoni-hateful-boyfriend/

    • Michael Lindsay

      And this is why whenever the latest GG derp posts that women are considered heroes for outing cheating boyfriends of some such tripe it’s an obvious furphy. This goes beyond idle gossip it’s a calculated attempt to destroy someone personally and professionally.

      The only reason people are defending this creep is because they want to retroactively justify their own shitty mob behavior as part of Gonj’s loser Gamergate army or because they’re irrationally terrified of feminism stealing away their COD games or some such drivel.

      • ginmar

        You need to meet a guy named Kevin Weinberg. After he harassed and doxxed a bunch of women on Amazon, he declared himself the victim of feminazi stalking. Now he’s posted a gator sob story about me at reddit on KIA and all the little assholes are brainstorming on ways to harass me. Because of course when a gator says shit about women he never lies but bitches do nothing but.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Ah, I’d rather not meet Mr Weinberg. He sounds like a tool.

          He does sound like a good representative of the kinds of tools that make up the Gamergate bowel “movement”.

          • ginmar

            He has lots of underaged fangirls that he sends en masse to harass women who dare “say (his)name and “talk about his” (stalking.) He publishes under his real name…..and then he whines that he’s been doxxed. I think he’s doxxed four or five women…..after threatening them for quite some time. Basically, you can’t disagree with him or criticize him or say anything he doesn’t like. And have a vagina.

          • pandora delphy

            The fact that you are possessed of a vagina is not the reason people dislike you, ginmar. Wanna talk LJ?

          • pandora delphy

            How many people are you e-mailing right now to see if they’re still mad enough to come at you directly? Just curious.

            Burned bridges suck. Don’t they.

      • LinkReincarnate

        I’d say there is a lot of that retroactive justification going on in the media. The zoe post didn’t motivate all of the participants in gamergate to add their voices. Maybe a small number but most people were pissed about the gamers are dead stuff. The zoe post certainly didn’t motivate me. The 20 some odd articles declairing “Gamers are dead” all released within days of eachother, piling on loads of slander and mud on our subculture motivated gamergate. I could care less about these people’s love life. What pissed me off was the full on coordinated offensive against a hobby I deeply identify with.

        • Michael Lindsay

          People getting steamed up over folks making wordplays about the death of the author have too much time on their hands, besides-newsflash neither subcultures nor target markets of which gamers has to be one can sue for slander. People have been getting judgy about subcultures since they’ve existed.
          Beatniks, greasers, nerds, skinheads, punks, rappers, rude boys, emos, goths, hackers, sharpies, roleplayers, metalheads, surfies and hippies have all had the mickey taken out of them without half as much indignant howling as what’s coming out of gamergate between the lot of them. You’re wounded because someone laughed at your subculture which is something you chose as opposed to your race, class or sexuality that you’re born with? FFS that’s the very definition of First World Problems-and no, absolutely nobody should take your complaints seriously!

          • LinkReincarnate

            You can try to reclassify and frame it all you want but the bottom line is still that people get pissed off when you insult them. It is irrelevant whether you insult them for their chosen attributes or their innate ones. They get really pissed off when you gang up to insult them. They weren’t laughing at our subculture they were demonizing it. En mass, using the power of their positions as game journalists. That caused completely predictable outrage. Hence Gamergate. The person who gets angry because they are insulted is not unjustified in being angry. No matter what the size of the insult.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Well-people can get pissed off about all sorts of things that don’t matter at the end of the day. Gamers can get all annoyed if someone writes an opinion piece saying devs don’t have to market to them-well, relax. Some devs won’t, plenty will. You can get antsy because someone writes an article critical of your favourite game and gives them a low score because of what they interpret as sexist content. So read another review, they’re free to read online anyhow. It’s not the end of the world.
            Seriously, why stress yourself?
            The one complaint GamerGaters have that’s worth a damn is about whatever idiot made a bomb threat against them. That does suck, that does rate anger and complaining. Opinion pieces you don’t like decidedly do not.
            This is exactly why people are pissed off at GamerGate, because some people have been threatened and terrorised in it’s name and that sucks!

          • LinkReincarnate

            The problem is that both sides of this debate have been equally participating in harassment and interference with the other side expressing their views. Only one side is currently being painted as harassers though. The fact that you only know about the bomb threat and not say dirty needles being mailed to gamergaters, attempted swattings against gamergate, pre-emtive career killing censorship, and general nastyness is proof of how lopsided the coverage has been. If gamergate is a harassment movement then game journalists are just as guilty of harassment. Especially considering the power differential between some guy on twitter and kotaku.

            You are correct that people can get pissed off about all sorts of stupid stuff, you simply fail you include AGG in the group “people”.

            “That does suck, that does rate anger and complaining. Opinion pieces you don’t like decidedly do not.”

            Sorry but if I have a problem with your speech me using my speech to respond is certainly not an overreaction. You are saying that our feelings of anger at being insulted is invalid because why exactly? Why does being insulted in a very public and defamatory manner not rate anger and complaining?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Again with the Golden Mean stuff, nah-GamerGate’s origins lie in harassment, down the track they expanded their portfolio. The other “side” just refers to people who are opposed to GG’s shenanigans and, despite what the folks at KiA would have you believe they aren’t all birds of a feather. If you think critics of GG cracked.com and PZ Myers are peas in a pod, you haven’t been paying attention.
            I am aware of the various dickery you referred to including the posting of syringes et al-but bad behavior by some d-bag against someone doesn’t make GG good. It makes some GG loyalists victims of d-bags. Victim status does not give you automatic sainthood. But again, terrorising people whether through bomb threats, rape threats, mass murder threats or syringes in the mail is sucky behavior and I condemn it utterly.
            But yes, syringes in the mail most definitely is harassment but journalists writing critical stuff you don’t like most definitely isn’t. You’re reading stuff that clashes with your values and you’re finding that annoying-all I can say is “welcome to to Earth!”
            Yeah-you can get angry about opinions you don’t like if it makes you feel good. I strongly suspect deep down it doesn’t, don’t keep that stuff up past your forties or you’ll start messing with your blood pressure.

          • LinkReincarnate

            Yes there is an antigamergate movement that identifies itself as such. Gamerghazi on reddit for instance. They literally ban people for defending gamergate regardless of how respectful they are.

            It seems to me that you really want to classify gamergate to be a cohesive group while casting people who are against gamergate as just individuals expressing an opinion. Even though both sets are doing the exact same things and both have fringe lunatics harassing the other camp.

            “I am aware of the various dickery you referred to including the posting of syringes et al-but bad behavior by some d-bag against someone doesn’t make GG good.”

            Two points on this.
            1. Did you read about any of that stuff on a website that reported about harassment “from gamergate”? That’s my earlier point. It’s obvious bias.
            2. Do you think that said dickery makes anti gg bad? No? Why not? Any reasonable justification you could come up with as to why not equally applies to gamergate.

            There are only 2 possibilities here.

            1. Gamergate is an incohesive hashtag and so you cannot hold people who use the hashtag responsible for harassment that occurs. They have no control over it. (Harassment some are working against; gamergate has an antiharassment group dedicated to rooting harassers out. Some have made bounties against harassers. ) This would also mean that gamergators cannot hold people who sympathize with antigamergate responsible for harassment against GG en mass either. (If we are being consistent)

            2. Gamergate is a coordinated group and everyone who used the hashtag is deserving of becoming paraiahs. This would also mean that harassment against gamergate is viewed the same way. Antigamergate megaphones would deserve the same social derision as “gators” because of the transgressions of their fringe members.

            It’s about applying measures that are consistent irrespective of whether or not you agree with the people being measured. You cant have it one way when it works in your favor and another when it works against you.

            And finally, are you going to argue that complaining about opinions is immature while complaining about my opinions? Thats a bold strategy there cotton.

          • Michael Lindsay

            All GamerGhazi do is link to Kotaku in Action stories with commentary and comment threads, also sundry stories on “mens rights”, “sad puppies” and related stuff. There’s nothing wrong with any forum banning anyone for any reason. It’s their forum-they don’t have an obligation to you to hear you out! In any case, as with the reviews-there’s plenty of corners of reddit that are more than willing to hear pro Gamergate stuff, what’s the problem?
            Also GamerGate may be decentralised, that doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of coordinated action which they obviously are, in ways that go beyond snarky commentary. Google “gamergate operations”, that’s a bit beyond just being a feed of news stories for like minded folks.

          • LinkReincarnate

            I dont care who they ban, my argument was never they shouldn’t ban people. It was an observation offered as proof of there being antigamergate groups. Also I think we already have established that extremists on both sides coordinate some pretty ratchet stuff. You still feel the need to cast the entirety of gamergate as it’s fringe actors but bristle when somone uses the same tactic against antigamergate. Actions of our fringe dont mean that the majority of gamergate’s concerns about journalists othering entire groups are unwarranted. At least not any more than bomb threats undermine antigamergate’s mysogony claims.

            You are just trying to distract from the fact that there is an obvious bias in the reporting against gamergate. Even a cursory look at the facts confirms corruption in game journalism. The collusion was obvious and unashamed. They called the mailing list gamejournopros for fucks sake. They named it after a collusion scandal!!! You know you cant win on facts about bias in game journalism so you try to derail the argument with accusations of harassment flung at the entire quarter of a million people posting with the hashtag. We can’t all be harassers. So why insist that we all are?

          • Michael Lindsay

            As far as I’m concerned even the “mainstream” non harassing parts of Gamergate are still toxic. Most of what they do comes down to making a lot of outragey noises about people writing stuff they don’t like, and they don’t like stuff that simply takes social justice themes into account or aims game related media at a demographic that isn’t them.
            Look at the things Gamergaters get steamed about, GameJournoPros-a bunch of people talking about games that aren’t GamerGaters, and didn’t invite GG to the table. Same deal with DiGRA really-professionals talking to each other about stuff and not inviting rando laymen along, horrific I know.
            You’ve also got GamerGaters getting cranky about every Polygon review where the reviewer makes a moral judgement about sexism, or anything else outside of “graphics were good” really. Polygon reviews Bayonetta II and makes moral judgements about sexism, GamerGaters outrage, Polygon reviews Witcher III, same thing, cue the outrage. Polygon condemns freaking Hatred, a fucking mass murder sim, GamerGaters outrage.
            I’m getting the distinct impression that GamerGaters might not even be Polygons target audience. Yeah, it’s aimed at gamers-just not you gamers.
            That was the real problem with Gamergate with the “gamers are dead” article, it wasn’t that it was saying that Gamers are literally coughing their last breath. It’s argument was that there are more people that enjoy games than the narrow target market that’s associated with “gamers” in the popular imagination. Thing is, it wasn’t a call to arms it was an observation-that’s the way it is. You don’t represent “gamers” you represent a subset of gamers!
            This is the problem with GamerGaters, they don’t want people that aren’t like them talking about, creating or playing games. The worst of them express that with harassment, the others still get outraged about stuff that doesn’t hurt them and isn’t any of their damn business.
            “Anti” Gamergate are just people who look at the whole clusterscrag that is Gamergate and are appalled-most just facepalm, others get fascinated with it’s slow-motion carcrash drama and yeah, some with no awareness act like douchebags themselves. Those people don’t speak for me.
            The only thing that unites them all is the impression they get that GamerGate is simultaneously horrific and hilarious-not necessarily in equal measures.
            Here’s the thing GamerGaters, you can’t own “gaming” because you can’t own a verb. Nobody can. Gaming has changed, it’s expanded. The 45 YO suburban dad down the road was playing the Wii with his mum and her grandkids long before Leigh Alexander penned her piece!

          • LinkReincarnate

            Yeah we dont like gamejournopros because they wanted to talk about games without us. Sure keep telling yourself that, whatever helps you sleep at night. It was a mailing list where journalists decided as a group what they would and would not cover and the type and amount of spin to put on it. That in and of itself is suuuuuper skeevy. Then they used that list to coordinate an attack on the subculture that supports them. We probably would have never heard of the list were it not for the unified front that game journalists presented on august 28 with the gamers are dead articles. The fact that I can use a single title to refer so many articles is telling isn’t it?

            On that subject. “Wailing hyperconsumers” is an insult that says nothing whatsoever about the demographics of gaming it only insults people for being involved and engaged in their hobby. Yes there were some social justice points in there but they were interlaced between the general insults towards gamers in a way as to imply that anyone who calls themselves a gamer is guilty of the behavior.

            Gamergate has no problems with diversity amongst gamers (you’ll find far more diversity amongst our ranks than you will amongst game journalists for certain). We proved that long ago with #notyourshield and backing up the fine young capitalists. If we are against women in gaming why are we financing them? Why dont you read about that in polygon? Because it is a fact that is counter to the narrative that they have been pushing. The thing is though that journalists aren’t supposed to ignore inconvenient facts. We call that ethics.

            On Bayonetta there is a lot of back and forth between sex negative and sex positive feminists. Gamergate falls on the sex positive side of the debate. You wouldn’t say that sex positive feminists are evil in any other context so why demonize gamergate for making the same points? We are only saying what sex positive feminists say.

            And Digra. Sigh… Yeah just a few pros talking in a room. Nothing to see here move along… It’s not like they are writing papers on how the GameDev Schools should introduce personality-type based affirmative action or anything. Oh wait they are http://www.digra.org/wp-content/uploads/digital-library/11313.33017.pdf.

            Hmmm they think that there are too many ENFJs (lol @ myers-briggs). in game development They just want to diversify what could be wrong with that.

          • LinkReincarnate

            I get it you are compassionate and you see the injustices that have been perpetuated for generations. You see how uneven the playing field is and you want to do something. That’s commendable. I am all for equality too. The problem is that when you attack a person or group you are no longer standing with your principals. In destroying the devil you are becoming the devil. No matter what ideas someone holds it is not ok to harass them. That applies to GG as much as AGG.

            Lumping people into giant groups, making assumptions about their state of mind, making assumptions about their motivations, hurling insults, and lies about them is how we ended up with racism and sexism in the first place. You cant get less hate with more of the same.

            Evil hardly ever appears as evil. It comes disguised as good.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Journalists got together and decided what they’d cover? They’ve been places where that’s been happening for centuries. They’re called “bars”, or over the pond “pubs”. They probably still do it via PMing each other so you can’t get all weird and conspiratorial about it. And conspiratorial is what you’re at if your interpretation of their banter was a coordinated attack on “your” subculture.
            And it’s not your subculture, Polygon’s target demographic is gamers. If you want to shift the boundaries by calling them “casuals”, “SJWs” or whatevs you can do that. The fact is they play games, hence they are gamers-as are the authors of the “offending” articles. Just gamers that aren’t, well, you. As for that DiGRA article:

            This paper examines the selection criteria for design roles in the videogame industry and examines the profiles of students undertaking game design studies at NHTV in the expectation of working in the industry.

            The paper examines, it inspects, it scrutinizes. It’s not a manifesto, it’s not a pamphlet. It’s not proselytising, it’s examining because that’s what researchers do. You lot have been in the rabble rousing game for so long that you can’t look at any text or comment without interpreting it as being some variant on what you do every day. Not everyone is like you. Not even every gamer is like you!

          • LinkReincarnate

            No, every gamer everywhere is just like me. Any demographical differences or even circumstantial differences makes them not a gamer. In fact I am the only real gamer. That’s my actual position. I totes said that. Gamers are like Agent Smith in the matrix. XD

            The fact that you think gamejournopro’s was not an ethical breach and just fine speaks volumes. No journalist should think that. Despite what you say ethics does in fact come into play when deciding what to cover and what not to cover. It comes into play when deciding how to cover it. It’s scary that you think journalists working together to create a false sense of consensus is not a problem. Or do you really think that all of those gamers are dead articles would have spontaneously been written and released exactly the same way had GameJournoPro mailing list not existed.

            If I am a part of a culture then it is my culture. You can play games with words to (attempt to) make it look like I am being posessive (I’m not; it’s also other people’s culture) or exclusive(Once again I’m not; anyone who puts a lot of hours into gaming is a gamer.)
            You obviously didn’t read the Digra paper very closely. If you had you would have noticed the section near the end where they recommend schools start looking at this criterial in their selection process to even out the personality types entering game design. They literally advocate for myers-briggs personality based affirmative action. It’s all right there it’s not some crackpot theory as you would like to suggest. No one ever suggested they could mandate it to anyone. They are advocating it though. I have to take issue with that. And before you have a chance to mischaracterize me AGAIN. I am not against affirmative action. Taking it all the way to personality types is pretty short sighted and counterproductive though.
            You obviously have a lot of preconceived notions about what “everyone” in Gamergate thinks, feels, and wants. You fail to argue against me but instead argue against some mysogonistic reactive harassing strawman.
            So go ahead and rage at “me” bro. (yeah I used it)Every time you mischaracterize my positions in an unfavorable manner you illustrate why Gamergate is necessary. The media constructed that straw-man you’ve been beating. They put that idea in your head to protect their own interests. The majority of Gamergate are for ensuring journalists act ethically. It’s about having checks and balances on the power of journalists. It’s about making them accountable to someone. It’s about transparency. We all know;(hopefully) power unchecked is power abused. Journalists currently have unchecked power to affect people’s lives. Game journalists have the ability to make or break careers and they know it. They brag about ruining careers on twitter.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You don’t invoke rage, you’re probably one of the most mild mannered GamerGate fans I’ve come across.
            That said, you reflect a sadly conspiratorial mindset common among people who favor GamerGate where you mistake talking in private for conspiring. Really, it isn’t.
            All I read into that paper was the suggestion that more diverse people working in gaming could lead to penetration of more markets-which would make business sense if true. I’m a little skeptical of the Myers-Briggs test because anything inspired by Jung needs to be updated to reflect modern advances in psychology but I’m quite ok with the suggestion that more diversity can be a good thing.
            And if gamergate did hold journalists to account and that was the main thrust of it’s activities that wouldn’t be a bad thing. That’s not the case. Gamergate is obsessed with shadowy conspiracies of progressives that seem to exist mainly in their heads. A look at KiA and it’s clear that their priorities aren’t even videogames, let alone “ethics in videogame journalism”.

          • LinkReincarnate

            We most certainly do hold journalists to account! That’s kinda our whole deal.

            http://wiki.gamergate.me/index.php?title=GamerGate_Achievements

            Ethics policies everywhere. We want game journalists to have all the ethics.

            And for what it’s worth you seem more reasonable than some AGG as well.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Uh huh.

            That’s why there’s a thread on KiA pushing to have freakin’ Brietbart recognised on Wikipedia as a “reliable source”, as if the poor blighters didn’t have enough problems with reliability.

            Ethics?

          • reclaimer

            I appreciate you being able to articulate the nuances that get lost between the lines when discussions like this happen. Please keep doing what you are doing! Your efforts are thoroughly appreciated, and served to help me see how I can be more helpful. Please, never quit.

          • Dusk

            words are pretty, aren’t they? you can call something a coup and it will cause an uprising, or you can call it an exchange of hats and watch complacent little minds go about their business as if nothing is wrong.

          • Dusk

            you forgot about the part where every single game journalism site declared war on their consumer base on the exact same day. each one with an article that can be paraphrased “Gamers are dead and don’t need to be your audience”

            you also neglected to mention the fact that DIgra has been infested with feminist ideologues which ahs been an ongoing process for years.

            also, what’s wrong with Bayonetta? is she too much woman for you to handle? to strong a character? too confident in herself and her assets? seems to people on that side are afraid of strong women which is the main reason I am actively against them.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Ya know this is months since I paid this thread any mind, but recently I’ve been in discussions with a Gator who’s been trying to convince me that 8chan having boards like /hebe and /doll that show little kids in porno poses are ok because they aren’t illegal b/c 8chan is dedicated to “free speech” but a bunch of talking heads say “gamers are dead” and it’s an outrage bad enough to demand that the journos responsible get sacked.

            You people make me sick! End discussion, brainfart into the tubes all you like. Over and out.

      • Willski.Zk

        No, I think you don’t see the point of what some “gators” are fighting for. She slept with other men to get her game more publicity. What he did is wrong, but so is what she did. Also GG is not just about Zoe. GamerGate is about journalism, and the fact that Zoe was able to get more publicity for her game by sleeping with a man. Gamers deserve better then that, we pay money for these games and want journalists who are payed by our money to respect our wishes.

        • Michael Lindsay

          She slept with other men to get her game more publicity.

          According to her extremely manipulative and psychotically obsessed ex whom we should all believe because of reasons. Unsubstantiated rumors and scuttlebutt, try again.

          What he did is wrong, but so is what she did.

          Nah-that’s called a “golden mean fallacy”. Try again.

          Also GG is not just about Zoe. GamerGate is about journalism, and the fact that Zoe was able to get more publicity for her game by sleeping with a man.

          Scuttlebutt and gossip aside the bit about GG not just being about Zoe is correct, the allegation that it’s primarily about Journalism is not. A quick look at KiA shows one single article on ethics in game journalism amongst all the drama, gossip and whining about social justice and that’s sourced from 8chan who I wouldn’t touch with a yardpole.
          As for what you deserve with the high cost of Depression Quest and ZQ’s publicity, the game was free!

        • ginmar

          That’s long since been disproven as a lie, you fuckwit. So you’re “fighting” for the “right” to tell lies about women do you can then harass them for shit they didn’t do.

          • Willski.Zk

            Citation please,if I am such a “fuckwit” and give me an actual source.

        • Crenando

          “GG is not just about Zoe.” yeah it’s also about other women that dare talk about feminism in games.

  • Willski.Zk

    This article is completely biased, most of the facts where overlooked and would have changed the outlook of the readers. I am not impressed with the level of actual journalism this topic is receiving.

    • ginmar

      Yeah, because gators have shown themselves to be connoisseurs of…….what they want to hear.

      • Lop Treadmill

        Please. Who REALLY exists in a perpetual circle jerk.

        • ginmar

          Prove it.

          • Lop Treadmill

            That you’re idiot? I don’t have to. You’re doing a find job.

          • ginmar

            Anybody who believes Eron Gjoni is telling the truth has lost the right to ever call anybody an idiot ever again.

          • Lop Treadmill

            According to who? Ohhh I forgot, you are the thought police.

          • ginmar

            Yyyyyyeeeeah……that explains why none of his accusations check out. Admit you.

            You just like stalking and bashing women.

          • pandora delphy

            You’ve never stalked anyone, right gin? No harassment in your past, is there? Please don’t make me laugh.

          • ginmar

            Oh, diddums, sweetie, you little masturbators are better at hypocrisy than lying. Tell Kevvie he really needs to stop telling his hysterical little lies to his gator fwiends. It’s just more documentation for the cops.

          • ginmar

            I’m somebody who knows that when an asshole like that little low rent OJ talks about women, it’s like the KKK talking about Obama.

          • m monty

            You are in idiot. I am not a gamer ( though I’m sure you will accuse me of being one, because that is the only rebuttal that you have). Yet I am siting against you purely because I have yet to see you or any of your SJW cronies make a single cogent point or cohesive argument. In fact I find the term SJW imbecilic, considering The fact that all arguments and/or comments I’ve seen from those claiming said title to be antisocial, not just, and certainly not “warriors”. In fact you have all seem to be cowards hiding behind a keyboard pushing your personal agenda. However, I find your fighting with “gamers” hilarious due to the fact that my understanding of gamers our 14-year-old kids calling each other the N-word while playing call of duty. And yet you’re only breaking even in the argument. The fact is, they make better arguments than you do. You should feel personally embarrassed, I am embarrassed for you.

          • ginmar

            And thus you show yourself to be not just a liar but a moron as well. Gamergate is over. You pathetic little boys lost. Everyone has seen your naked character, and you’re pathetic.

            Protip: a bunch of enraged unfuckable little junior Republicans attacking women is not a good look.

            Go jerk off with your equally-lame buddies.

          • Lop Treadmill

            Okay,

            I’m done kiddies. Remember… fight the good fight! While women are getting raped and beaten and violated every which way from sunday all over the world, make sure that everyone knows that the boogymen gaming community is BAD. mmmkay?

          • ginmar

            Yeah, says the guy supporting the stalkers of gamergate. That’s a compliment coming from you Bizarro World losers.

          • m monty

            Once again, prove it. I challenge you to list even one fact supporting any of your comments. You have none, which simply proves that nothing you have to say is correct or worthwhile. Much like your existence.

          • ginmar

            Wow. Pretty impressive for a little kid who needs his nappie changed.

          • pandora delphy

            Why did Arthur Chu tell everyone that ‘this ends now’ the night a bunch of GG folks met at a bar in DC? Are the police following up on the bomb threat that was called in from your side, ginmar?

            You circlejerk just as hard if not worse. Please, please go back to your hugbox.

          • ginmar

            “Both sides are just as bad!” —coming from “the side” that tells lies about women to justify stslking. Bomb threat? Yeah, because gators don’t have a history of brigading and false flagging, what with #burgersandfries.

          • m monty

            Prove it.

          • Dusk

            if you you cut out a man’s tongue, it does not make him a liar, it only proves you fear what he has to say

          • ginmar

            HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA If you stalk a woman because her crazy scumbag wanted to prove just HOW much of an OJ he was, sucks to be you, loser.

      • Willski.Zk

        I can say the same about anti-gators. This insistence that “gators” don’t understand what is happening is not an argument, just a hissy fit. I am on neither side. I agree with Zoe and Eron but find THIS article to be insufficient at showing both sides. This is not a “gator” getting mad, this is a skeptic wanting to learn both sides.

        • Crenando

          “this is a skeptic wanting to learn both sides.” LOL bullshit

  • Lop Treadmill

    What a lousy hit piece. Among other things you totally omitted the fact that BY HER OWN ADMISSION/TERMS she “raped” Eron. That much of the evidence is her pleading for him to forgive her, and get back with her. That she had fucked over many many other people/groups and is herself guilty of harassment. There’s nothing ‘stalky’ about ‘the zoe post’. It’s pathetic, but only that this betafag was willing to let this sociopath walk all over him for months. Zoe is a piece of human trash, and is typical of the world she lives in. The good news is these people can’t help but destroy each other. Just lean back and watch them implode. Go ahead and put your trust in Zoe, and watch your faith in humanity disappear.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

      • Lop Treadmill

        Not ‘said’… evidence.

        There’s a difference, genius.

        • ginmar

          Prove it. No links to angry moron YouTube channels or Breitbart bullshit.

          • Lop Treadmill

            SURE!
            https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ + plus the lack of any contrary evidence (except “It’s a lie!”) = proof.

          • pandora delphy

            No no no. Listen and believe, gin, listen and believe.

        • ginmar

          You guys keep using that word…….and them linking to some asshole ranting on YouTube or Breitbart. Prove it.

          • Lop Treadmill

            Here’s a link for you. One of your friends?
            https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/598155345039622145

          • Lop Treadmill

            Typical insanely reactive garbage like most shit posted by these stupids. HAHHHAHA

          • ginmar

            Er…..the fuck?

          • Lop Treadmill

            What’s wrong? Don’t you agree with her?

      • pandora delphy

        And you know this how?

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • ginmar

      You gators need to learn that just because another loser said it doesn’t make it true. Gjoni is a threatening stalker asshole.

    • Michael Lindsay

      Getting a bit old this. Gators making the allegation that Quinn came up with some definition of rape that isn’t sex sans mutual consent. Gator then proceeds to call Quinn a rapist using the very definition they claim was stupid.
      Quinn raped no one. Quinn may have had sex with other consenting adults during the time that her relationship with Gonj was on a break meaning that far from it being rape it wasn’t even infidelity.

      The fact that you guys can’t write about her without loathing and hatred dripping from every post just underscores the fact that Gamergate really is nothing to do with ethics, little to do with games or journalism and everything to do with intimidating/punishing uppity women and their male friends.
      You are making yourselves look worse with each post you make in your defense, thanks for doing the heavy lifting I guess.

      • Lop Treadmill

        Who is “Gators”? Sounds like you have an agenda. I have no dog in that fight, since I rarely play videogames. I’m a 59 year old man (SORRY!!) who is interested in popular culture, and when I see a hit piece from every media outlet on a specific subject it arouses my suspicion. This is yet another textbook smear on the “gamer community” which in reality, doesn’t seem to exist, except in your dull mind. But you really wish it would, because then you’d have a cause. But you don’t, Michael, you don’t have a cause!

        The fact that she never really addressed or came up with any evidence negating ANY of the insane amount of claims by lots of different groups/people pretty much proves that she’s a sick human being. But fuck! Hanging out with and supporting sociopaths is GREAT! Have fun with that! Good luck!

        BTW, I notice that when people can’t argue a point, they try to make up a false ‘truth’ in the hopes that it will come true, e.g. “You are making yourself look worse BLAAHHHH BLEEET BLEET
        BLAAAHHHHH!!!!”. I guess I am, but I’m making myself look worse to a group of fanatic morons. Of this I am happy. I want to look bad to you. If you look bad to shit eating mental cases, you look good to intelligent humans.

        • Michael Lindsay

          Gator, noun. Supporter of Gamergate, many like you coming in disingenuously claiming to be average Joes Just Asking Questions while spouting nonstop Gamergate talking points.
          You come in with your “Quinn’s totes a rapist” BS saying others have an agenda? Irony is dead.

        • Dusk

          I have a hard time believing you’re a 59 year old non-gamer. lying will not help.

          the rest is true. if this article were any more bias I would suspect Zoe of blowing the author to get it published.

          • Lop Treadmill

            I don’t put my exact age, mainly to throw stalky freaks off, but I promise you I’m in my 50s. I do play video games from time to time, but I’m not a “gamer” in the traditional sense, eg. I used to play WoW, but never raided or joined a guild. I might play a video game once or twice a month, maybe.

      • ginmar

        It’s great they don’t have a clue, isn’t it?

        • pandora delphy

          ginmar, you are the oldest lolcow on the planet. Go hide behind a blockbot or something, someone here might trigger you by existing.

          • ginmar

            Look, another angry gamergator dude.

          • pandora delphy

            You wish I was a dude so badly, gin. No. I know you from LJ. We used to be pals.

          • pandora delphy

            Now start racking your brain to remember one of the many hundreds of people you were an absolute horror to there.

            I’m surprised it took you this long to inject yourself into yet another drama that has nothing to do with you.

      • Willski.Zk

        “Gators making the allegation that Quinn came up with some definition of
        rape that isn’t sex sans mutual consent. Gator then proceeds to call
        Quinn a rapist using the very definition they claim was stupid.”

        Exactly, we are showing that by your definition she raped him… I think it’s a stupid one but by using your definition we show that anti gators just redefine words to make their thoughts seem true.

        • Michael Lindsay

          It ain’t my definition sport. Try again.

          • G-man

            my definition of rape is when someone claims that their definition of something immoral is the only valid one to try and claim that people shouldn’t bother to stick by their own morals, they should preach their morals to others and then ignore them themselves.

          • Michael Lindsay

            G-man, why are you bothering me with pointless semantics months after anyone but dedicated Gamergate fans kept up with this comments thread?

          • G-man

            you know this is the internet right? as in someone could read this in 20 years from now and it be the first time they’ve seen it. they don’t have to have been “keeping up with” anything.

            maybe if you don’t want replies after a certain time has passed you should make a note of this in everything you post.

            also, my comment had nothing to do with semantics, maybe you should go and read up on what semantics is.
            The comment is referring to one persons opinion on morality and her inability to stick with her own morals. your opinion of whether it is immoral to you or not is irrelevant and i pointed this out by mirroring your “my definition” phrasing. What is important is the persons own morals that they should stick to, because they are THEIR morals. If they make these morals public in an attempt to make themselves seem like a moral person to the public then everyone would be right in assuming and expecting that they actually stuck by their own morals.
            When it becomes apparent that someone doesn’t stick by their own morals then they come off as both immoral for doing so but even more so because they previously tried to be preachy and “i’m better than everyone because i have a better moral standard”, when really the whole thing was just overcompensating for the fact they can’t stick with their own morals. it”s the very definition of hypocrisy

            like an anti gay politician, who is caught with a male prostitute.

          • Michael Lindsay

            And in 20 years your diatribe will be as pointlessly semantic as it is now.

          • Dusk

            oh you’re one of THOSE people.

            I always hated psuedo-intellectuals. But it’s funny watching them pretend to be smarter than they actually are.

    • Serocco

      Gjoni himself said there was no sexual relationship between Quinn and Nathan. None. None at all. Gjoni himself said it. You trust the man at his word?

  • pandora delphy

    Is that picture of Eron supposed to scare my girl feelz or something? It’s not.

  • docmelonhead

    I’m going to be frank, it doesn’t start with the Zoé Post:
    It’s started with Mundane Matt’s video on the Zoé Post got taken down due do “copyright violations”; then the “Streisand Effect” went full throttle.

    Frankly, we don’t give a shit about the two; the only reason why we even bothered is because of her ties with one of the writers at Kotaku.

  • Ori Klein

    Dear Boston Magazine:
    You can yammer all the bullshit you want. But the evidence is out there: Zoe Quinn, AKA Chelsey Valkenburg, is nothing but a terrible person who lies, abuses and manipulate in order to gain their advancement in the world given their, otherwise, lack of actual skill in any profession (to call her a game developer is an insult to game developers. I’ll make it clear with an example: Lets compare Vincent van Gogh to an amateur gang-member grafiti painter; this painter is still more of an accomplished artist than she is a game developer per the “quality” of her “work”).

    Much like her lies about “nude photos” of her being distributed – she posed for nudity sites (akin to SuicideGirls) as an amateur model. She was selling these nude photos, OF HER OWN VOLITION, TO PUBLIC consumption for profit – everything coming out of her mouth is utter bullshit aimed at gaining her something or another by subverting reality. She is likely bi-polar, if not cognitive dissonant and highly narcissistic.

    Here is one more person, a feminist, a female, a professional photographer, who did one such photo shoot op with Zoe, recounting the encounter: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152274323855882&set=a.412206445881.199341.597085881&type=1&theater&notif_t=like

    Good luck spinning that one off to display Zoe as some poor down-trodden abused girl instead of the horrible, twitchy, lying person she really is.

    • Ori Klein

      Also, considering Zoe is running around the states to the tune of $3,990 per month from continuous donations on Patreon with her boyfriend (a trust-fund rich kid himself), she hardly seems distressed and fearful for her life.

      The oppressed indeed.
      Pray-tell, where can I sign up for this kind of welfare program where I have to take the “suffering” of Internet TEXT ASCII abuse of pixels before receiving enough money per month for sitting on my butt doing nothing but having a good time in the real world without having to get a job and actually be a productive member of society?

    • whosaywhat

      I hope you received the help you clearly needed when you posted this.

    • Spirit_Crusher

      You seriously need help.

      • Ori Klein

        Feel free to donate to my Patreon fund to get me help, then. :)

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  • Winston_from_the_Ministry

    Zoe Quinn is a fraud and abuser.

    • whosaywhat

      a month on and I bet you’re embarrassed by this.

      • Winston_from_the_Ministry

        Three words for you: Crippling Helldump addiction.

        Every bit of new information about her shows her to be a vile character who has exploited overly sympathetic followers for cash.

        • Crenando

          lol exactly like the gamergaters who probably are still making money on patreon thanks to their whiny youtube videos obsessed about women no one cares about but them, they make money from pathetic men that are addicted to the rage-ahol they produce.

          • Winston_from_the_Ministry

            Can you be more specific? Which women are you referring to?

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  • Vashta

    You are aware that a few people making threats doesn’t mean the whole group of thousands is doing that too, right? That kind of view would get you called a racist if you generalized black people for something a black criminal did, or do you think all Muslims are terrorists because there are terrorists of their religion? Ect, ect. This is bigotry.

    This is very clearly a tabloid smear campaign against them because social justice extremism is popular right now and gets lots of clicks. And guess who started it? Gawker. The site used the weak minded readers to turn things around from a woman being used by a writer on a site who had power over her to make her have sex with him so she could have publicity. The Gawker sites have been doing this kind of stuff for years which is why they are despised by the gaming community for their false advertising.

    Fun fact about all these attacks on the GGers is that there is no discussions being had. Sites like this and the others don’t give a fair balanced voice to both sides of the argument, you just attack one side while saying how much of a victim the other side is because a couple of people were making threats. Attacking people and not letting them have a voice is the best way to make someone turn to violence to be able to get justice for themselves.

    I’m gay, I’m not of GG because there’s no such thing as journalism on blogs because blogs are tabloids and really these days you can’t trust anyone for integrity because it’s all run by corporations, I believe all people should be equal and treated justly no matter who they are or what they’ve done.

  • Mytheroo

    Zachary Jason you should be ashamed of yourself writing this utter pack of lies.

  • yohami

    What if a professional Drama Queen had mainstream media support? I wonder.

  • dawg

    She cheated on him, he spoke out. Now he’s a “stalker”. Dear Zach, cut off your balls and or have Sarah Nyberg do it for you.
    I’ll just leave this here https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

    • Myra Hawthorne

      There’s a difference between ‘speaking out’ and ‘releasing all your personal information.’

    • Lazerfrog

      A 9000 word tantrum is apparently just “speaking out.” I love how all you have to cite from is a single blog post by an obviously biased source. Yes, we know it exists, it’s a load of lies and obvious bullshit. Please stop being 3 steps behind if you’re honestly going to try and take part in the conversation.

      • Blake Clouser

        It’s not a tantrum. It’s a story. A sad story about a loss of trust and the death of a relationship. It wasn’t written to ruin Zoe or her life, but to give some insight into who she really is as a person. The story was published around the time Zoe was getting people’s female friendly game jams shut down and crying about misogyny as being the reason for why her crap game didn’t get greenlit on steam the first time. He was trying to give people some truth. And now miserable monsters like you are here to cry that it’s lies and to what end I wonder. Why fight the truth so much? What do you get out of it?

        • Lazerfrog

          “Why fight the truth so much, what do you get out of it?” Don’t ask me, ask a mirror.

          • Blake Clouser

            Nothing to contribute as usual. Okay.

          • Lazerfrog

            Okay, I admit that was a pretty astonish thing of me to say.

        • jlenoconel

          Agreed. These people are in denial. They’re making it sound like Quinn is some reputable savior of gaming. She’s not.

      • Dusk

        is 9000 words too much explanation? I’m confused.

  • G-man

    “The video-gaming business was a bastion of old-fashioned sexism long before Gjoni came along. As the industry grew into a $100 billion behemoth—rivaling Hollywood, bigger than pop music—it maintained the atmosphere of a teenage boy’s basement den, and stayed hostile to women”

    this is journalism? i suppose sensationalism sells now. If there ever was a day when journalist tried to be truthful its long gone.

  • Blake Clouser

    This article has got to be one the biggest piles of intentionally misrepresented horse shit I’ve read in a long time. You didn’t even get the story right, and people pay you to write for them? Embarassing. You clearly have an agenda to push and as some educated on this story and how it really played out you should be ashamed of yourself for framing it this way to promote Zoe Quinn’s awful behavior. It’s all told brilliantly right here: https://thezoepost.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/act-0-whereof-one-cannot-speak-thereof-one-must-be-silent/ with actual texts, chat logs, and the like with dates to back up everything he says, which is actually not a rant of rage, obsessions, or slander against Zoe, but more a melancholy tale of heat break and how a relationship dies once trust is lost. To have Gjoni’s love for a woman who slept with 5 men behind his back framed as obsession and to have her considered some poor victim of Gjoni’s is seriously deplorable journalism on your part. If I could I’d eat your job for writing this drivel. You interviewed the guy yourself and even then you didn’t get it, did you? Or actually you did get it, but you had an agenda to push. Gjoni having a drink on the plane turned into “heavily drinking on the plane”. Gjoni continuing to talk to Zoe was obsession and not letting go when she was the one coming after him the entire time if you bothered to even read the chat logs you no talent hack. I’m embarrassed for you and you blatant incompetence at your job and your pathetic agenda. How dare you let someone like Zoe become some victim hero in the gaming world. She’s the exact thing it doesn’t need: Terrible, neurotic, no talent, lying, manipulative, psuedo-game developers who collect a check each month just for pretending to fight for people’s rights by giving talks about what a victim they are. You ever play her game? It’s a text based game about how sad you are that leads nowhere interested and is about is well written as this article. Maybe you’d enjoy it.

    • ginmar

      HAHAHAHAHAHA. God, how PATHETIC do you have to be to buy Gjoni’s lies a year later?

      • Blake Clouser

        Hello media tool / troll. It’s good to see you’re still around to defend a proven liar and manipulator a year later. Must still be a hot issue for you.

        • ginmar

          Stupid sexist lies by stalker freaky exes deserve to be fought, you pathetic dickless fuckless asshole. Nothing’s worse than a loser white guy who has to console himself with lies over his unfuckability.

          Having fun being unfuckable.

          • Blake Clouser

            He had actual documented proof and chat logs with dates. And if one reads the logs one could easily argue that Zoe kept trying to pull him on multiple occasions. How can that be obsession on his part? It’s all there. Undeniable.

            What do you have? Nothing. I pity you for making a fool of yourself online for the sake of shitty people, but if it makes the little misery hole in which you live feel more cozy then I can understand it.

          • ginmar

            No, sweetie, he didn’t. You little morons think if you tell the same lies over and over again you can make the truth disappear. Fact is, you’re all angry unfuckables who hate women. Deal with it. Get therapy. Go for a walk. You’re a sad, literally deluded little boy.

            All your hero’s lies are gone. Ever wondered why it’s the women you hate going before the UN, going on Colbert, racking up the nig names while you’re stuck with sad, venomous, angry, woman-hating right wingers? Look who you have? A rightwing “news” site that just lost a huge libel case. A hasbeen, weird, rightwinger actor nobody wants to with.

            No UN.

            NO Colbert.

            Nobody good, or relevant, or upstanding, or reputable.

            You’re desperately sad, and you’re too dumb and deluded to realize EVERYONE is sniggering at you.

          • Blake Clouser

            Quite the other way around actually. That’s why Zoe’s UN initiative was not only laughed at but changed nothing and she instantly tried to distance herself from it after it was over. I couldn’t be happier about her being in front of the UN. She’s a nobody and censorship monger and the world finally got to see that in action and she’s hiding from it now. She was your champion. And she has been found wanting. And lying. And to be perfectly sociopathic: https://www.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152274324055882:0

            And once again it’s the other way on you. The burden of proof to prove that Gjoni lied is on you. I have texts and chat logs and a hear breaking story from him. What do you have again? Still nothing? Cool. I have more: http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

            And don’t accuse me of hating women. My entire post was about a journalist lying in how they framed a story. What does anything I’ve said have to do with hating women? Nothing. Ok, cool. F for Effort.

            You’re this lame of a troll for a reason and the reason is: You know your PC world of control and hatred against men and controlling thought and opinion is imploding on itself and people don’t take you seriously anymore. You know your time is ending and it’s hollow heroes like Zoe that you’ve put your support behind that have only hastened your expiration date.

            You’re losing ground and rambling and tossing out childish insults because you are at a loss when it comes to real evidence or points to make. It’s odd that you’re trying to claim that people are laughing at me over it when you’re just another bad internet cliche talking about woman hating and “unfuckables” as if you’re reading from some script written for you by a rabid kindergartner having a seizure. You are the joke of the internet. The cliche foaming at the mouth man hater. You’re anti-intellectualism at its finest and your time is nearly up.

            Good luck with keeping up that trolling when Zoe makes sure you can’t post anything mean on the internet anymore (never going to happen, but that’s what your chosen hero wants to happen.) So you who want to support the person who claims to be against internet harassment with,…internet harassment? I’m beyond sniggering at you. I’m full on laughing.

          • ginmar

            Um, you have….FACEBOOK??? And doctored screenshots.

            Oh, diddums, seriously, you got nothing. When are you little assholes going to get that just making shit up isn’t evidence?

            You poor pathetic slob. Get out of your mommy’s basement.

            Until you produce something that the adults of the world agree meets logical standards, I’ve wasted too much time on you as it is. Why don’t you offer some ranty asshole’s bullshit youtube video to REALLY live up to the stereotype?

            “PC”…..hilarious. SO revealing. Go back to reddit, wanker.

          • ginmar

            Because logical evidence is what we marginalized people do have on our side. If we weren’t right then Gjoni and the rest of you little boys would not have to offer page after page of “evidence” supporting you. Zoe does not, and should not, have to offer any evidence to the contrary. It is simply true because we say it is. As anyone who is in my circle of Twitter followers/followees. Not one of them disagrees, therefore we are right and you are wrong. Look at all the journalists supporting Zoe and not having to provide even a single citation of fact, this logically equals that we are right. It is only a matter of time before we put Gjoni and anyone else we seem guilty of harassment into jail with no due process. Just our word for it, no facts or evidence needed, because we are right and can bitch and moan louder than you can. All your little boy video games that hurt our woman feelings will be taken away from you, and your pathetic attempts at claiming you have first amendment rights will fall on deaf ears. Women, trans-people, and other progressive sympathizer’s opinions are more correct and valid than your own. We will form a Gestapo to physically take you down as soon as we find out how to be physically superior police and military personnel than you Cishetwhitmale scum (plus figure out how to do all the important jobs that you currently do and have always done, probably by plying you with delicious sammiches that we make in the kitchen)!

          • ginmar

            … because logical evidence is what we marginalized people do have on our side. If we weren’t right then Gjoni and the rest of you little boys would not have to offer page after page of “evidence” supporting you. Zoe does not, and should not, have to offer any evidence to the contrary. It is simply true because we say it is. This is obvious because not a single person who is in my circle of Twitter followers/followees disagrees. Therefore, we are right and you are wrong. Look at all the journalists supporting Zoe without having to provide even a single citation of fact or shred of evidence. To actual adults this logically equals that we are right. It is only a matter of time before we put Gjoni and anyone else we deem guilty of harassment into jail with no due process. Just our word for it, no facts or evidence needed, because we are right and can bitch and moan louder than you little boys can. All your little boy video games that hurt our woman feelings will be taken away from you, and your pathetic attempts at claiming you have first amendment rights will fall on deaf ears. Women, trans-people, and other progressive sympathizer’s opinions are more correct and valid than your own. We will form a Gestapo to physically take you down… as soon as we figure out how to be physically superior police and military personnel than you Cishetwhitmale scum (plus figure out how to do all the important jobs that you currently do and have always done, probably by plying you with delicious sammiches that we make in the kitchen). Then you will no longer be taking up space in mommy’s basement, which daddy pays the mortgage for, because mommy thinks she can write fan fiction with only a high school diploma (or be a game developer with some junior college credits), but in reality is just a place to put a d*ck.

          • Blake Clouser

            You’re not even a clever troll. Just a typical cliche churned off the misery production line child minded spewer of verbal vomit. Why are you even allowed to post when this is all you have to contribute?

          • Dusk

            you make it sound like you have a busy life considering all you’ve done is slander. is there some sort of moral high road I am not aware of?

          • Lazerfrog

            Yeah, a bunch of random assorted posts from Wizardchan that ultimately say nothing is “Evicence” by GobbleGut standards… apparently. Keep goblin’ down that word salad my friend. In the meantime, here is that “nothing” you keep claiming we have aka the actual truth: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/GamerGate Hey, if a bunch of random Wizardchan posts and the Zoe fucking Post are evidence then so is that.

          • Blake Clouser

            You mean the thought propaganda you just linked to me is the actual truth? No, thanks. I like to think for myself. Did you really think posting a link to rationalwiki would make even a slight point? It’s clear you haven’t really done your homework on this topic. Embarrassing.

          • Lazerfrog

            The only evidence you offered up was Gjoni’s tirade and an imgur image showing that people from Wizardchan did exactly what Zoe said they did and then a bunch of random images from the site that have nothing at all to do with anything, wtf? If that counts as a source then so does Rationalwiki, they have detailed refutations to every claim made against Quin.

          • Blake Clouser

            Detailed, yes. Wordy, yes. Rational? No. Notice anything about them? They are trying to create a narrative of misogyny. They have a political agenda. Not a truth agenda. It’s propaganda. What I posted was straight from the people who witnessed it. Take that as you will or go on believing the lie that the gender propagandists on rational wiki have hilariously worked hard to make up.

            *** Also, I didn’t have to post any other evidence. I posted the source of the matter. However, I can see you are easily swayed by the narrative the media has worked with Zoe to fool you with, so I made a post above giving a lot more evidence. There’s tons out there and I invite you to seek it out. My post is being waited on though until a moderator accepts it as it has a lot of links for you to chew on.

          • Lazerfrog

            Alright, I actually looked at the chat logs and some of the post and yeah, provided they weren’t doctored that stuff was pretty ugly. Full disclosure: I was already what some would consider an ‘sjw’ before the whole gamer gate thing started, so my only exposure to any of it for a long time my only exposure to it was stuff like this http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/6/67/Antisemitic_slur_sarkeesian.png which lead me to believe that the entire thing was exclusively a neo-nazi movement. I have decided to reconsider my view on it.

          • Blake Clouser

            That’s highly commendable of you.

            Most people of your slant don’t read the evidence and simply disregard it when people link to it but you actually stepped out of your comfort zone and checked it out. Props. The more I read the more my interest was piqued so I dug further and further.

            Notice how the article above and the post on rationalwiki frame the story very differently as to promote the agenda of claiming that Zoe is an innocent and this is a case of misogyny in gaming? That’s a big deal. Big journalism is echoing the spin of the radicals and not doing their research properly. That’s why Gamergate is important. It’s a shame that, as with any movement, there are radical fringe within Gamergate that try to harass or post nasty things, but as a movement it’s a consumer revolt against censorship (something I’m passionate about), and a call for better ethics in both video game journalism and now mainstream journalism. It’s an eclectic group of passionate people from across the world saying “We won’t let you demonize us or our hobby anymore.”

          • ginmar

            Er, yeah, if you’re betting on anything GG uses not being doctored, you’re kind of…optimistic. GG produced “chat logs”, literally, to make a case against Sarah Nyburg.

          • Dusk

            the problem is, there is a bona-fide conspiracy against GG. have you ever seen a single platform where they spoke? have you ever heard a single sentence from their side? even the Klu Klux Klan got a documentary showcasing their reasoning and perspective on national television.

          • Lazerfrog

            I’ve tried to become more educated about it since the time of my old comments being posted but honestly I’m trying to get out of the whole sjw vs gg debate because I don’t like the person I am when I discuss those things. I agree with some of what gamergate stands for but frankly they seem too content to be engaged in a forever-war with the powers that be within gaming journalism when there’s easily enough of them to fund their own gaming publication.

          • Dusk

            so you link Cuckpedia as evidence?

            what kind of inception circular logic is that?

          • m monty

            Here is ZQ’s pathetic attempts at getting EG to come back, as well as admitting that everything in his blog is true:
            https://thezoepost.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/blue.jpg

            Of course ginmar will not address this, due to the fact that she has no reasoning or analytical skills.
            Blake, I have no doubt that you get laid more than ginmar, and she does too. This is why she hurls lame insults at commentors, attacking thier “fuckability” rather than address factual evidence. I would say that this is ironic considering that she herself is aesthetically hideous, but it does make sense since her lack of fuckability is a sore subject for her, therefore she thinks falsely attacking this trait in others will bring them down to her level. In addition to being physically hideous, her personality is not doing her any favors either. Not only can she not get another human to be with her, she even has to keep her cats on a leash so they do not try to escape:
            http://ginmar.livejournal.com/2532924.html
            And just incase you think I am exaggerating how ugly she is:
            http://theralphretort.com/master-milo-called-known-terrorist-enabler-by-psycho-sjw-named-ginmar-1109015/

          • Robbin R

            Ginmar, thank you for being a boil on the butt of feminism. With women like you in the world, there is no wonder that there are mysoginists. You are a bitter old woman with no talent, and nothing to contribute to society. The only thing that you attempt to contribute are baseless insults at people with actual talent, oh diddums, of course you are filled with jealous rage. The authors you “bash” are infact talentless, yet still infinitely better than her shitty work. I quote “bash” because that is how you see it, but in reality you simply regeritate the same slackminded, dim-witted drivel over and over, but could we really expect more? That is exactly what your fan fiction is, uninspired, unoriginal tripe. I looked at your Live Jurnal bio, one of my favorite lines of is this: “Now my rules are really simple: if I warn you once, I’m pissed, and I don’t like repeating myself.” Look at your posts, whether you are bashing new authors with more talent than you have, or what what you call “gators”, your only rebuttle is the line “unfuckable little boys”. Humorous considering the fact is that you would fuck any of them if they were willing to put a bag over your head and suffer through it. Maybe they could picture Zoe Quinn instead. Not ideal, but a bag isn’t going to cover fat rolls and an old smelly vagina. Diddums goes on to say “If you want to prove something, provide a link.” Once again, this is ironic considering that she herself has no links to support herself, but then again, she really has no argument to defend. Her existence is as useless as that of the stray cats she has devoted herself to save. Luckily, despite her best efforts, most stray cats will be euthanized, the world is not so lucky in regards to ginmar. But that is okay diddums, it is not too late to get your toaster, retreat into the bathtub, and do the right thing. Even the cats won’t miss you. Here is an article I saw and thought of you, exactly how your life was prior to menopause:
            http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8538668
            And now the last egg has dropped, so there really is no point anymore is there? The good news is, could you imagine what type of piece of shit child you would’ve actually produced. The fact is it would be an unfuckable little boy who would still be living in your basement. Or possibly an ugly little girl who like you, would’ve grown up to be jealous of pretty people, growing old and lonely with only cats as friends.

          • ginmar

            “Gamergate ISN’T misogynistic you fat ugly old bitter angry hairy-legged bitch! WAAAAAAAH!”

            God, Kevin. Even for YOU, that’s pathetic.

          • ginmar

            A bit off topic, but everyone with a social conscience, please feel free to visit:
            https://www.animallaw.info/article/detailed-discussion-feral-cat-population-control
            Where you can learn how to help exterminate feral cats. This is a starting point to learn where you can make charitable donations to groups that will euthanize/exterminate cats. Not only is this a good cause, but the charity is a tax write off, which keeps your hard earned money from going towards welfare and other government programs that enable “marginalized” people from getting free money. Feral cats, much like “social justice warriors” are a burden on society, want to recieve something while contributing nothing, and are all equally “p*ssies”. We may not be able to exterminate SJWs and “progressives”, but we can make them have to earn success and not enable them to be societal freeloaders. Thank you.
            “Diddums” ginmar

          • ginmar

            A bit off topic, but everyone with a social conscience, please feel free to visit:
            https://www.animallaw.info/article/detailed-discussion-feral-cat-population-control
            Where you can learn how to help exterminate feral cats. This is a starting point to learn where you can make charitable donations to groups that will euthanize/exterminate cats. Not only is this a good cause, but the charity is a tax write off, which keeps your hard earned money from going towards welfare and other government programs that enable “marginalized” people from getting free money. Feral cats, much like “social justice warriors” are a burden on society, want to recieve something while contributing nothing, and are all equally “p*ssies”. We may not be able to exterminate SJWs and “progressives”, but we can make them have to earn success and not enable them to be societal freeloaders. Thank you.
            “Diddums” ginmar

          • Blake Clouser

            Yeah, there’s a whole movement made up of people around the world of black, white, male, female, gay, straight, bi, and even trans gamers and somehow it’s misogynistic. No one can prove how but you hope if you keep repeating it over and over it will make it part of public consciousness and it will somehow with the whoosh of a fair godmother’s wand, it will become truth. Spoiler alert: It won’t. You won’t win. Gamers play to win and they certainly won’t bow to the shameful tactics of being branded misogynists by anti-intellectual riff raff like you.

          • Dusk

            is… is this bait? I can’t tell. it’s too obvious

          • ginmar

            Men need to learn that they have lost the “battle of the sexes”. Women in America are the most privileged people on the planet, yet we are still convincing people that we need more rights and are marginalized. Men have to work for a living, while a woman can simply marry well or trap a man and extort money from him by getting knocked up. We emotionally manipulate you by saying we need more rights, even though we have all the same rights that men do as well as the right to either carry or kill your baby, we are less likely to be convicted of a crime, we can marry you then cheat on you and yet still take half of your belongings, receive alimony, and get the house that you bought in divorce. We still have you convinced that there is a wage gap, when in fact there is not one. In fact for the same wage we do not have to work as hard, we can sleep our way up the corporate ladder. We convince you that we are the victims in life even though we are less likely to be victims of violent crime. We have no great inventions, or great works of art, or entertainment or comedic ability. This is because we have manipulated you into doing all the hard work for us. We shame you into giving us more by accusing you of objectifying us even though we are only useful for sex, but we use you for the same thing. Look at the article above as proof, Zoey isn’t even that attractive and she accomplished all this, simply by lying and using sex, yet there is nothing you can do about it. What power do you actually have? All you can do is become more successful as you age and trade us in for a younger, prettier model when when we are old and unattractive. But most of you do not have the balls to do it. We win.

          • ginmar

            Men need to learn that they have lost the “battle of the sexes”. Women in America are the most privileged people on the planet, yet we are still convincing people that we need more rights and are marginalized. Men have to work for a living, while a woman can simply marry well or trap a man and extort money from him by getting knocked up. We emotionally manipulate you by saying we need more rights, even though we have all the same rights that men do as well as the right to either carry or kill your baby, we are less likely to be convicted of a crime, we can marry you then cheat on you and yet still take half of your belongings, receive alimony, and get the house that you bought in divorce. We can and do lie about being sexually assaulted and/or raped as is evidenced by the Rolling Stone article about UVA and the Duke lacrosse team. We still have you convinced that there is a wage gap, when in fact there is not one. In fact, for the same wage we do not have to work as hard, we can sleep our way up the corporate ladder. We convince you that we are the victims in life even though men are twice as likely to be victim of violent crime. We have no great inventions, or great works of art, or entertainment or comedic ability. This is because we have manipulated you into doing all the hard work for us. We shame you into giving us more by accusing you of objectifying us even though we are only useful for sex, but we use you for the same thing, we can sleep with whomever we want and one in four of you are raising someone else’s illegitimate child. Look at the article above as proof, Zoey isn’t even romotely physically attractive and she accomplished all this, simply by lying and using sex, yet there is nothing you can do about it. What power do you actually have? All you can do is become more successful as you age and trade us in for a younger, prettier model when when we are old and unattractive. But most of you do not have the balls to do it. I may be a dried up pathetic, unloved cat lady, but my gender as a whole wins. Please feel free to copy and re-post this on any feminist discussions to let the MRA’s know that women win.

          • ginmar

            Ooooh, good one, you got me *snigger*. But make fun all you want, at least I can get laid unlike you little boys. Plus I am more fun at parties, at least I’m pretty sure, if I ever got invited to them. But I was DEFINATELY more fun at them premenopausal, I think, if I had been invited to them at that time either. Plus if the lights were really really dim, or off. And if someone just wanted to have sex, and had no standards for physical attractiveness, personality, or vaj stench. But you get what I mean… OK, fine, so maybe I was never invited to parties. But I went into the army, and you try going to Iraq and still not getting any attention from men being a “combat two” out of 10, then not be bitter. So what if I claim to be a “combat veteran” even though I was just an admin keyboard warrior and fobbit, while real heroes went outside the wire. I deserve respect because I received “numerous injuries” in combat, you would also be bitter if you never received a Purple Heart because carpal tunnel syndrome isn’t considered a “combat injury”. But now life is good because I get to call anyone who doesn’t agree with me “little boys” and can pretend to myself that they get laid less than I do. Winning!

          • ginmar

            Meanwhile we have tons of good, relevant and upstanding people like: Zoe Quinn- went to the UN and accomplished…well, nothing I guess. But..
            Anita Sarkeesian- went on the Colbert report, and now he is off the air. OK, but we have
            Kaitlyn Jenner- she is a hero, and with her all of the support of the Kardashian Klan, and finally, the coup de grace…
            Hillary Clinton- probably the next POTUS. See how pathetic you are? You do all of the hard work for us and we can just marry well and ride your coattails to success, as in the case of Bill and Hillary. Do you think anyone would have heard of her without him? Remember, behind every great man is a woman along for the ride (well, and a string of mistresses that actually make him happy). But in the end, we, as women will still get half a man’s stuff without even having to earn it, *snigger* again. I recommend, Blake, that you learn to speak either Mandarin or Cantonese. Because just like the rest of us marginalized victims, when Hillary is in office she will also continue to weaken this country that you loser little boys worked so hard to build. China will be the next superpower, because they are not afraid to give skilled people jobs rather then caving in to the minority in order to give marginalized people jobs that they are not as capable of doing, all in the name of “diversity”. Meanwhile I will be hoping that Chinese men find overweight white women attractive, so that I can continue to manipulate the world with sex rather than talent. When the Chinese do take over, and outlaw being gay or transgender, I will once again rise to the top of the progressive stack by being a marginalized white woman. The rest of you are PATHETIC and will be screwed. HAHAHA!

          • ginmar

            And by “everyone” I am obviously referring to my few real life friends consisting of a couple white women, a couple beta males, and the one black person that will associate with us but makes us feel like we are “diverse”. Your logic and reason do not phase me, just because I was at the “loser table” in high school, I am now grown and am obviously one of the “cool kids”. Just look at my meager LiveJournal following of other irrational people who cannot make a cogent argument. Before you know it, one of my followers will even be a person of color. Then won’t you look stupid and even more unf*ckable, impotent, and impish. So go on, keep throwing darts in the dark to try to insult me, it won’t work. You have no idea where I actually stand. I can ferociously and blindly support Zoey Quinn, calling all of your “evidence” as made up lies perpetrated by insecure little boys. At the same time, as a soldier and self proclaimed “badass feminist bitch” I can hate those that play the “victim” card and hate “Mamby Pamby” people: http://ginmar.dreamwidth.org/. While simultaneously, out the other side of my mouth support those women who take absolutely no responsibility for their station in life. Do I blindly support ZQ because she’s a woman, or because I hate men, or do I identify with her because I am a also pathological liar and believe my own fantasy about who I am and whether or not I’ve actually seen combat as a soldier; or do I support her because she effectively manipulated a beta male and gained notoriety by lying about every claim of harassment she’s ever received? You will never know, but I will persist in ignoring logic and using insults in order to aggravate you and make you feel as insecure and angry as I do. The facts may be that the two highest IQs ever recorded were women, yet only one in the 20 richest women in the world did not inherit their wealth from their father or husband. So the two highest IQs ever reported or women, but we have no females who have contributed to the world like Einstein or any male inventor. Is it because we are not capable, or is it because we do not have to and can live off our husbands and fathers without having to work or contribute? You little boys will never know, because we will still continue to argue that the reason we have not contributed is due to oppression by men. We will continue to manipulate you into marriage as we see fit, using you as indentured servant’s and providing for us and your children, while at the same time blaming you for victimization and oppression so that you do not even realize that we are perfectly capable. If we, as women, were not exactly where we wanted to be, do you think that we would not be doing hard work or contributing to the world? Remember the high IQ thing? We can float in and out of the role as victim and manipulator as we see fit and there is nothing that you can do about it. The sad part is we women have even given you the clues. Fifty Shades of Grey is no secret, women getting turned on by rape is not a secret, yet we can chastise this society that we have created as a “rape culture” and blame you for oppressing us. Stop struggling and just go with the flow you little imps, because there is nothing you can do about it *snigger*. Keep calling me a “hairy legged bitch feminazi”, you May see me as an evil, childless, mal-content, insecure individual with a blackheart and meaningless life. However, in reality that is exactly what I want you to see and perceive.

          • ginmar

            Blake, Blake, Blake, you just get more and more pathetic.

          • ginmar

            Congrats ginny, you found a button. I was hoping to push you towards better insults. But much to my chagrin, apparently you are truly incapable of being taught. Unf*ckable, impotent, imp, and pathetic are the only insults in your sling of arrows. Imagine my surprise that you are not capable of more. Then again as is evidenced by your writing, which everyone agrees is utter drivel, uninspired, and contrived; I should not have expected any better. Though I am curious, since you are a “war veteran”, why have you not used the G.I. Bill to take even a junior college course in order to improve your self as a writer or possibly even a human being. Kisses sweetheart.
            Signed,
            Blake, or Kevin… tbh you still haven’t guessed that one correctly. Must really burn your biscuits tho 😉

          • ginmar

            Blake, Blake, Blake…..oh. God. I almost gave a shit. Or nit.

          • ginmar

            Yes, your lack of giving a shit is apparent by your inability to resist replying to my posts. You have myself and every other reader convinced, have you convinced yourself? You should probably not reply to this, just complain about it on your LJ account where you can block anyone who does not want to be part of your circle jerk, and keep pretending to be a badass feminist on one hand, a victim of the patriarchy on the other, and continue to ignore the fact that you owe me reparations because your parents were fascist slave owners who gained privileges off of the hard work of MY race. But sure, the world owes YOU something, amirite? You put your time into helping cats and ignore the damage that your race has done. But your anger with the world is evidence of some cosmic justice, something in your life has obviously gone wrong to cause your hatred. Too bad this hatred is directed at other people and not where it belongs. Do the world a favor and overdose on your cat’s tranquilizers, or keep ignoring your privilege, fucking hypocrite.

          • yohami

            You’re mentally ill arent you.

          • jlenoconel

            Get a life.

          • ginmar

            ……says the guy backing the asshole who stalked and harassed and libeled his ex girlfriend. Gjoni’s an OJ about to happen.

          • jlenoconel

            Riiight lol. That being said, even OJ got a fair trial.

          • Dusk

            are you real?

          • m monty

            Happy Veteran’s Day to all the real warriors in this world! Whether anyone agrees with the politics of any war or not, you have actually put your life on the line. I did not do it because of patriotism, but because others were willing to, for me it was about the person on the left and the right, someone needed to have thier back. One side uses women and children as sheilds, I have seen all allied forces put thier lives on the line to save the lives of women and children, both Iraqi and Afghani. This shows me who is actually on the side of good. Thank you to all the men AND women who put thier lives on the line to protect innocent children. I have been to war four times, but one name stands out to me: Janet Eldred. She may not have seen actual combat, infact she avoided it. However, she was always available to any and all warriors who needed relief from the stress of combat. She may have been a “two” and at best a combat “three” ( seriously, she’s fugly) but the point is, she was available. Thank you Janet, and your cats. http://theralphretort.com/master-milo-called-known-terrorist-enabler-by-psycho-sjw-named-ginmar-1109015/

          • Robbin R

            How in the hell would you know whether or not stocker exes need to be fought? As somebody who is unfuckable, you have no say in the lives of those of us who are sexually or intellectually desirable. Your opinions are as stupid as your fan fiction, you should give both of them. As you say, you are “a high school feminist”. Shut that ugly wood chopping accident that you call a mouth, and leave the social commentary to those of us with higher education. Your 3/5 of an opinion is noted, be glad that you are are allowed to own land and vote. That right was hard won for you by people who are better than you. You could’ve at least paid them back by accomplishing more than a GED.

          • Robbin Reinhardt

            How in the hell would you know whether or not stocker exes need to be fought? As somebody who is unfuckable, you have no say in the lives of those of us who are sexually and/or intellectually desirable. Your opinions are as stupid as your fan fiction, you should give up on them both. As you say, you are “a high school feminist”. Shut that ugly wood chopping accident that you call a mouth, and leave the social commentary to those of us with higher education. Your 3/5 of an opinion is noted, be glad that you are are allowed to own land, drive, and vote. Those rights were hard fought and won by people who were much better, and less priveledged than you. You could have at least honored those whose coattails your over priveledged life has ridden off of by accomplishing more than a GED. Your existence is problematic and pathetic. Shen Wang is rolling in his grave because of you.
            “You educate a man; you educate a man. You educate a woman; you educate a generation.”
            -Brigham Young

          • ginmar

            I need some guidance, I realize that cishetwhite males need to be discriminated against due to their privilege. However, I am not sure if I should discriminate against white females more (they are descendants of rapist white male colonists and enjoy that privilege). Or if black males are more privileged because they have penises and are therefore inherently rapists. My conundrum is due to the fact that black males only know the injustice of seeing their mothers and sisters being raped by white males, therefore how can they be accountable for any sexual assault against a white male/female if that is all that they know? Please advise me on who I should hate more.

          • Dusk

            that’s funny you say that, because I can have any woman I want.

            kind of the opposite of what you say there…

        • Lazerfrog

          >”Media tool/troll”
          >Believes what a bunch of actual trolls and talking heads say, who only have a wordpress post everyone has already fucking seen to go by, only sources said post.

          Yeah, THEY’RE the tool alright, keep fighting the good fight you free thinker you.

      • m monty

        I guess as pathetic as someone would have to be to believe that you are a “combat veteran”:
        http://ginmar.livejournal.com/profile
        Stop selling yourself as someone who was in combat. You do a disservice to those of us who actually fought, and disrespect those who have died in combat. You hijacked the identity of some grotesque PoG fobbit, your existence is revolting. Real women warriors have fought hard for the chance to serve in combat arms positions, and many have found themselves in combat before that. You are not one of them, you are a fraud. You should have

      • ginmar

        So Ooooh, Blake, good one, you got me *snigger*. But make fun all you want, at least I can get laid unlike you little boys. Plus I am more fun at parties, at least I’m pretty sure I would be if I ever got invited to them. But I was DEFINATELY more fun at them premenopausal, I think, if I had been invited to them at that time either. Plus if the lights were really really dim, or off. And if someone just wanted to have sex, and had no standards for physical attractiveness, personality, or vaj stench. But you get what I mean… OK, fine, so maybe I was never invited to parties. But I went into the army, and you try going to Iraq and still not getting any attention from men being a “combat two” out of 10, you would be bitter also. So what if I claim to be a “combat veteran” even though I was just an admin keyboard warrior and fobbit, while real heroes went outside the wire. I deserve respect because I received “numerous injuries” in combat, you would also be resentful if you never received a Purple Heart because carpal tunnel syndrome isn’t considered a “combat injury”. But now life is good because I get to call anyone who doesn’t agree with me “little boys” and can pretend to myself that they get laid less than I do. Winning!

    • ginmar

      Wouldn’t it be the ultimate “social justice” if Zoe Quinn ultimately had a child that she did not kill…(http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/04/kotaku-writer-paid-800-to-dev-he-was-sleeping-with-without-disclosure/) and that child ended up with down syndrome? Seems like it would be totally karmic for ZQ to have to a child that was actually disadvantaged, while her whole life has been dedicated to arguing that she should be given success based on the false premise that she is “under privileged”. It may seem harsh to wish that on an innocent child…but let’s face it, any child born to a person as grotesque as Zoe Quinn might as well have mental retardation and be blissfully ignorant that it is an offspring of such a piece of human feces as Zoe.
      Post Script, maybe the $800 paid by Nathan Grayson to ZQ was not for an abortion. However, it is hard to imagine what else that $800 could have been for. Despite being an un-talented hack at journalism, publicly showing that he gave her enough money to cover an abortion was a brilliant move. Later on down the road, if she does try to tag an illegitimate child on him, he can show that he provided money to get rid of it. Kudos to him.

  • ginmar

    Congratulations on a well thought out and well reasoned and unbiased article. PC UofO bro here, in search of some guidance. I realize that Cishetwhite males need to be discriminated against due to their privilege. However, I am not sure if I should discriminate against white females more, due to their descendants from rapist White colonists. Or if black males are more privileged because they have penises and are therefore inherently rapist. My conundrum is due to the fact that black males only know the injustice of seeing their mothers and sisters being raped by white males, therefore how can they be accountable for any sexual assault against a white male/female if that is all that they know. Please advise me on who I should hate more.

  • ZEUS

    3 pages of hyperbole and not one contention from this infamous post (of which this article contained none) is refuted? wtf did I just read!?

    • ginmar

      You read what journalism has become. Pandering click bait with no actual journalistic research or objectivity. Let’s face it, there is no less ethics in gaming journalism then any other journalism. This is not new. I will put it in terms that gamers can understand. As far back as the 1950s Lois Lane was trying to sleep with superman in order to get “the scoop”. Yes, those characters are fictional but it is still indicative of what journalism was even back then. Woodward and Bernstein may have given us the illusion of integrity in journalism, but integrity was never really prevalent in the industry. And just like the Lois Lane analogy, women still need to use sex in order to gain success, because the reality is that without men in the world would have no great inventions, great works of art, no architecture, no comedy; and lightbulbs would never get changed and spiders would never be killed, because women are incapable of doing all of the above.

      • ginmar

        This person is pretending to be me. The photo he used is one of my personal photos to which I alone own the copyright.

        • ginmar

          … and one can easily tell the difference between the two simply by looking at the posts. One of these two accounts effectively uses logic, reason, satire, and irony; while the other person uses none of the above and due to a lack of cognitive thinking skills, intelligence, and overall lack of mental acumen (excuse me, acu-person) relies on insults and histrionics. For those playing along at home please enjoy The challenge of figuring out who is who. Pro tip: those with inferior intellect and critical thinking skills as well as inferior vocabulary, generally rely on profanity in order to try to get their point across. This is pathetic even for you Kevin.

          • ginmar

            SERIOUSLY, STOP MOCKING ME!!! Or no kidding I will SUE! Until you are PC black and blue… Woo woo!

          • ginmar

            Until you’re PC black and blue… Woo woo!

          • ginmar

            Ooooh, good one, you got me *snigger*. But make fun all you want, at least I can get laid unlike you little boys. Plus I am more fun at parties, at least I’m pretty sure, if I ever got invited to them. But I was DEFINATELY more fun at them premenopausal, I think, if I had been invited to them at that time either. Plus if the lights were really really dim, or off. And if someone just wanted to have sex, and had no standards for physical attractiveness, personality, or vaj stench. But you get what I mean. Winning!

          • ginmar

            Um, if you have to say it, sweetie…..sorry, but no. You feel better now that you’ve made your lame boasts? Feel adequate now, Blake?

          • ginmar

            I do infact hope that you are in the VA system. That system is a perfect representation of everything you standfor. Good medical facilities hire the best person for the job, therefore employing with the best person for the job regardless of race, sex, or religion. Those hospital’s staffs statistically reflect the diversity of those who have earned the training and are capable of doing their jobs, which turns out to be very much in line with the overall deversity found in the US. In addition, the private sector can fire anyone based on poor job performance regardless of sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation if they can not do their job (minus some whining incapable people who think their minority status entitles them to work less and demand mor, but that is the US at large and not just the medical field). This makes sense because if you hired someone less capable of a job due to quotas, those medical facilities can and do end up with malpractice suits against them. The VA on the otherhand, largely opporates under Sovereign immunity. When we couple sovereign immunity with the fact that the VA system requires a greater level of diversity highers than private practice medicine, We end up with a medical system which routinely rejects hiring the best person for the job, in order to fulfill in-house diversity goals, then makes it very difficult to fire these individuals. Someone out there may know why it is so difficult to get government contract workers fired despite their unenthusiastic, lazy, and sub-par ability and performance (your Frst Sergeant for one). But regardless, this is the situation with the VA, as well as many other government contract employees. I mention this ginnums, since I have seen you right about the inadequacies in the VA system. Your rants on the VA system are hysterical to me, considering that your views seem to encourage companies to “diversity hire” rather than choosing the best person for the job. I have no doubt that you do not see the irony in this. But I do hope that you continue to struggle within the VA system, since that is a direct result of your political philosophy. Of course, recognizing this irony would take critical thinking skills, as well as causing you to question the fascism that you have wholeheartedly thrown yourself into. I have a wager that you will have one of your moronic “ginmar bingo” replies to this, which contains no logic or reasoning, but makes you feel better. This post is specifically for reasonable people who can see the difference between capitalism and futile ideologies such as communism/fascim/and socialism. Notice that I did not say Marxism, because even Marx said that he was not a Marxist. In addition, I use the word fascism even though that word literally means a bundle of rods working together, whereas your SJW mindset is that you are each special little snowflakes whose individual opinion means more than everyone else’s based on your place in the progressive stack. Be that as it may, The SJW’s attempt to control the thoughts, speech and actions of reasonable people, just by rallying together a bunch of inferior people who demand more advantages is incredibly tangent to fascism, and is where we will all en up if you could ever get your way. A country full of organizations as fouled up and backwards as the current VA system is. Once again, even though you know how ineffectual that system is, yet you are striving it, makes the the irony almost palpable. You cannot see that this system you’re fighting for is completely absurd and pathetic to anyone with even simple reasoning skills.

        • ginmar

          Oh ginny, sweetheart, why so bitter? http://ginmar.livejournal.com/2539935.html#comments
          My favorite line is “These morons hate whole groups of people they know nothing about” Said with no sense of irony or self awareness. Meanwhile you label everyone who doesn’t agree with you as a “Gater”, completely ignoring the fact that most of these commenters have no real personal investment in video games or game journalism. They just see “social justice warriors” for what they are, keyboard bullies who play the victim card whenever someone disagrees with them or doesn’t agree that they should actually have to work for success. Rather, they demand it because they are “marginalized” and therefore think they deserve it. As for me, this is fun. You rant and curse at people, obviously wanting to pick a fight. We both know that you desperately want to play the victim card as well. Unfortunately, you do not have the skill to do it as effectively as Quinn or Sarkeesian. I recognize this and feel sorry for you, therefore I am obliging you. Obviously I have helped, bkwrrm feels sorry that you have had to endure this for so long (was seriously laughing out loud at that one). So congratulations, and you are welcome, together we have gotten you sympathy from one complete moron who is too stupid to realize that she has been manipulated by a fellow progressive. However, there is still more work to do, I will keep helping you until we have accomplished manipulating one of the numerous mental midget “White Knights” existing out there to come to your aid as well. Because let’s face it, we both know that manipulating women is easy, manipulating men may be only minutely more difficult, but isn’t that the pinnacle of success for a feminist? I am not sure that you will have the intestinal fortitude to respond. But if you do I think that it will make you better at handing out insults and being a media troll as a whole. For example, calling me a “misogynist” doesn’t sting at all. You have also used the term “sexist”, stick with that. It is closer to the mark as I do not hate women (the number of whom I respect is just very low). In fact, I enjoy women very much. Especially the ones you accuse me of hating the most. 20 to 25-year-olds are the most physically attractive, and as a bonus they think they know everything, making them very easy to manipulate. 30 to 35 year-olds are great too, they are more comfortable in their bodies and are more likely to have just been divorced by a man who recently wised up. Or even better, they are afraid to leave their husbands to have to work, and look to sites like Ashley Madison to break the monotony of their boring futile lives. This leads me to my next point, as a man-hater you should know that accusing men of not getting laid holds absolutely no bite. In this age of sites like Tinder and Ashley Madison, if you were not getting laid, you are willfully not trying. Thirty year-old men living in their mommies basement are not the ones you should be afraid of, even though those men are also getting laid, but it is the Alpha males that you should be at war against. And you are setting yourself up for failure assuming that we are right wing, being pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage for example, are very much in line with our agenda (for example, had your parents exorcised their right to abortion, the world would undoubtedly be a better place). You have said several times “you have been warned”, let’s see you back that statement up and give me the brunt of your childless, penis-envying existence. Your turn diddums.

          • ginmar

            Blake, Blake, Blake. What an impotent little imp you are. Yet another loser who calls himself a film maker or some shit while you try and make yourself feel better by attacking women. Try therapy. Maybe they’ve invented a cure for being an inadequate raging little white boy.

          • ginmar

            Damnit, I’ve been caught. I really thought you would continue to believe it was Kevin. But you are one smart cookie. The good news is you are no longer a one trick pony. You have graduated from only being able to call men un-f*ckable, to incorporating the word impotent. See what happens when a man helps you out? Imagine where your life would be if you had been able to get married. Maybe you would be able to use four syllable words in your insults. You definitely would’ve had financial help, giving you the time to develop actual writing talent. Then maybe one of your shitty stories would not have been so shitty, leading to a book deal with an actual publishing company. At a minimum, had you gotten married, you would at least have children and possibly grandchildren. I mean, cats are great and all, but they can only fill the void of a childless, futile life with no offspring to live on after you die to a certain extent…. Just kidding! I’m sure your kitties’ apathetic indifference to your arrival home from work is just as fullfilling as the joy on a child’s face when they first see their mommy again after a brief absence. Plus there must be comfort in the knowledge that since you have no man in your life, if you died during the night your cats can survive by eating your corpse. If you had birthed a child, your death would leave them abandoned. Of course there is the possibility that solitude was not your your choice, but the result of a faulty reproductive system that could not bring children into this world, combined with an acidic personality that no one wants to live with. Either way, I don’t think anyone who has read your comments and the bitterness, anger, and resentment that they contain, would argue that you are mentally functional enough as an adult to raise a healthy child. So, God, fate, karma, or whatever higher power you believe in, seems to have definitely made the right choice in the outcome of your life. Then again, had you not been condemned to loneliness, I do not know if you would have become this hate filled person with whom I do enjoy these little exchanges that we continue to have. Kisses to you giddums.

          • ginmar

            ginnums, I must say that I am proud with how I have been able to mold you in just a few short days. Your learning curve is actually better than what I thought it would be. Notice how I don’t even know you, but my shots in the dark seem to be pretty spot on. I have no way of knowing that you are a white woman, that you were straight and not a lesbian, that in reality you do not have children, or that your participation in the military is largely a fantasy that you have conjured up. However, just by reading your comments I was able to suss out this information. One technique is to pay close attention to what a person reacts to, and also use insults The people throw out in order to learn their own insecurities. Finally, do you have attempted to use this tactic in one of your replies. I obviously hit a nerve in conjecturing that you are middle-aged and will likely die alone with no offspring, success, or any other accomplishments. You successfully stuck outside of “ginmar bingo” http://theralphretort.com/wp-content/uploads/ginmar-bingo.png
            Now your insults have been fairly predictable. I do take it as a personal success that I have pushed you outside of your box in your latest reply to me:
            “Blake, Blake, Blake, the problem is, you angry little white boys are all the same. I can’t tell you apart. You’re all enraged at women, you’re all doing nothing and all going nowhere—-niiiiiiiiiice job there, champ, picking nits out of kids’ hair—-and you know it. You can call yourself a film maker all you want. You have all that supposed education, and you say and think all the same shit as your grandpa about women. You’re heading for a sad middle age as a bitter PUA, working retail and trying to puff up the old resumé.”
            Still, a swing and a miss, but at least you’re trying a little harder. Though at this point you should know who I am, but in order to help you out I will give you some personal information:
            Like you, I have reached middleage, though unlike you I have achieved success, both in the civilian world and in the military. My field is Aviation, and my ethnicity is not white. I am curious at the nitpicking that you continue to refer to, but not to the point where I feel the need to stalk Blake in order to find out. Regardless, with a little bit more thought put into your posts, you just may step out of the label “The Donald Trump of feminism”. This isn’t a reference to your notoriety, although maybe together we can get you there, but is a reference to the obtuse hate rhetoric which you both consistently vomit from the axe wounds you call mouths. I also intend to make the fiction you believe is reality better by pointing out simple facts such as referencing: https://m.dailykos.com/stories/1097913
            First off, trazodone is an SARI, an antidepressant and sleep medication, not an antipsychotic. Secondly, active duty military, as someone who meets with their first sergeant would have to be, is not treated by the VA. They are treated by DoD military facilities. Lastly, who is struggling with the VA system, you can purchase TriCare and receive great medical coverage. Still love you ginny, i’ve given you some personal info, let’s see if you can conjure up and running so that hits even close to the mark.

        • ginmar

          Checked your LJ just to see if I was taking up any more real estate on your page and in your head. Hilarious new post by the way. Sure, you uninspiringly reviewed two bad movies. The funny part was your inability to know what is realistic and what is not. First off, those “what if you’re taking hostage briefs” you can’t put a name to but any other combat service member can, are called SERE level B. There is also a level C, but I wouldn’t expect you to know anything about those, since that training is classified and the courses can only be taken by those who will go outside the wire. Second, “civvies” are not people, they are a term for a type of garment and short for civilian clothing. You use it incorrectly to refer to civilians. Good try at using military jargon but… fail. And the movie you want to claim brings you emotionally back to the action you “saw”? Not surprised that it is the Green Zone, where fobbits reside, and where nothing that happens outside the wire is at all accurate, but I can see that’s how you would imagine it was. You should’ve picked the Hurt Locker, aside from the visuals, it is equally as in accurate outside the wire as GZ. What HT does have is a cut scene to where Jeremy Renner is back home in a Supermarket isle, paralyzed by the over abundance of choices of cereal and the stress of how many overwhelming futile situations and choices there are to be made when you return from war. The majority of PTSD is not night terrors and waking up in cold sweats. That may be part of it, but PTSD is the inability of functioning day today with the stressors and the futileness of day-to-day life, after having to function for so long at a high level where small decisions make no difference but the real ones are life-and-death. meanwhile, being in crowds of people without a weapon or fellow servicemembers watching your back is extremely anxiety provoking. Then, for example, one of the garbage cans falls off a shelf at a home depot and makes a loud bang, and that is when you are right back there again. If you were actually in combat in Iraq, maybe you should write about that. Rather than writing even worse versions of Fifty Shades of Grey, which was a poorly written a book to begin with. If this idea pans out for you, I don’t even need a mention on the inside cover. It would simply be enough for me to know that you have written something worth reading and no longer have a need to bash other author’s writings to make yourself feel better. Your anger over people not reading and liking your stories, and the hateful rants against successful authors, when combined with the Gestapo tactics that SJW’s use, I truly believe that we can your hatred be for you publish your own Mein Kampf, and attempt to use SJW’s as storm troopers. (not that I think that you have that charisma or ability) but sometimes simply hate filled speech is enough, especially when SJW’s are so primed to follow down that road. Finally, I am disappointed in you discarding Kevvie so quickly, just because I lead you to believe this was Blake. Maybe you aren’t the supersleuth worthy of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (since I know you don’t like to look things up, I will just tell you, he was a talented and successful writer.)

        • ginmar

          After 10 years you still haven’t learned the difference between private and copyright I see.
          http://xiphias.livejournal.com/211147.html
          Well, the learning curve is steeper for some than others. Besides that, calm down giddums, I am helping you. You can’t be a victim without a victimizer, or an opressee without an oppressor. You should smile, sweetheart.

    • Lazerfrog

      It’s hard to refute something when there is zero evidence supporting it.

    • Lauren Balk

      Uh, the goddamn truth?

      • ZEUS

        rhet·o·ric

        ˈredərik/

        noun

        language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

      • Noperino

        the truth is, she slept with people to get her game out there while she was in a relationship with him and he wanted to expose her actions and gamers were outraged because of the corrupt gaming journalists who reviewed a game not because it is good, but because the designer slept with them.

    • Philip Weigel

      Propaganda 101, don’t let the other side have a voice.

  • Lazerfrog

    Since the Gamergate nazis apparently still consider the Zoe Post and adequate source and think that linking it and yelling “I’m right lawl!” is an argument, here is an actual fucking source that details the situation as it actually stands: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/GamerGate

    Inb4 “BUT IT’S BIASED WAAH!” It’s biased in favor of the truth and the actual evidence.

  • Joe Schmoe

    She’s a game designer who, like most female gamedesigners, receeves misogynistic death threats
    She isn’t a designer, at least one that matters. Also, female designers do not usually if at all, receive any sort of threats.

    • Lauren Balk

      [CITATION, MOTHERFUCKER]

    • Dusk

      you havee two dichotomous statements here and I don’ know which one is true.

  • triakis

    Aspergers or maybe it should be ‘Asspergers’ in this case, you got dumped, move on little boy.

  • jlenoconel

    This article comes across as trying to make Eron sound as bad as possible and for Quinn to come out smelling like roses. Quite comedic really. Not saying he was completely in the right, but neither was she. Not by a long shot.

    • Lauren Balk

      So in other words she deserved it, right? Your equivocation makes me sick.

      • jlenoconel

        Didn’t say that. But they were both in the wrong. My main issue is her trying to pass off a crap game as being good, or even trying to pass herself off as a female game developer (she’s not).

        I don’t understand the SJW crowd. You guys treat anyone who is critical of this woman as a harasser, even if someone mostly only criticizes her game as being crap, which it is.

        • tequilatax

          Posting someone’s address, social security number and other personal information all because you felt wronged IS harassment.

      • Dusk

        either or arguments are the most simple-minded ways I’ve ever seen humans draw lines in the sand with.

    • ginmar

      Eron made himself sound as bad as possible. Organized a harassment campaign against an ex that dumped him, full of incredibly vicious lies and tactics? Yeah, put that on the resumé.

      • jlenoconel

        Well that was the media’s version of events.

  • Lauren Balk

    An entire generation of immature little boys who talk real big but don’t have the stones to act like adults. Pathetic little manchildren. I’d have pity if I didn’t despise them so much. Grow up, boys.

    • m0r1arty

      Transparency and accountability within journalism for the largest grossing entertainment industry in the world – yup, sound like infantile concepts.

      Perhaps you shouldn’t despise people you don’t know and thank them for doing good things :)

      • thomasfreeman

        Retire that bullshit, “m0r1arty”. No-one is buying it; this was always about misogyny and harassment and it always has been; that is what GG is and always will be recognized for. Retro-fitting any kind of intellectual argument on it doesn’t work; everyone sees through this fantastic pile of bullshit except the people contributing to it, like you.

        • Noperino

          misogyny and harassment? it’s about ethics in gaming journalism. if you watch any of the most prominent gamergaters, they always say they don’t care if women are gamers but they don’t want corrupt journalists who will review someones game because they slept with them and not because it’s actually a good game. she admitted to sleeping with 5 guys and he exposed her for it.

          • ginmar

            Then it’s kind of funny how they only target women who are NOT journalists, isn’t it? Sarkesian isn’t a journalist. Quinn isn’t. Wu isn’t. Day is an actress. Zippo. Zilch.

          • Philip Weigel

            And yet, those same people are the ones whining about being attacked when all they get are people mocking and dismissing them.

        • Dusk

          right? because it makes more sense that people would organize an entire campaign to harass one woman… for years. It clearly makes more sense.

        • m0r1arty

          Retro-fitting?

          You stand on the wrong side of history my friend.

          This is about unethical journalism and you’ll hear much more about how widespread it is within the coming days.

          You are welcome to take part, I’m against insulting people or exploiting them for personal gain so hold your knee-jerk on “misogyny”, I’ve a mother, sister, girlfriends and wife – I’ll knock you out for saying I’d ever hate upon them, as they would you too.

          Get elected if you wish to stand up for people, otherwise share your opinion and take the counter when it is given as any reasonable person would.

    • Chris Lachapelle

      Big Red is that you?

      • ginmar

        Congrats on outing yourself SO succinctly.

        • Chris Lachapelle

          Pleasure is all mine.

    • Gabriel Andrés

      “an entire generation”

  • DemosthenesRants

    What a piece of shit. I can’t believe how candid he is about being such a waste of flesh. I hope he gets dipped in gravy and thrown to a pack of rabid poodles.

    • Noperino

      yeah he is such an asshole because she cheated on him with 5 guys to get her game out and admitted to it. how dare he want to expose her and the gaming journalists who partook in those actions. he should have been a good cuck and apologize that he wasn’t good enough and that’s why she cheated.

      • DemosthenesRants

        There’s no proof other than this man-baby’s hurt fee-fees that she cheated, but even if she slept with a whole conga line of other people, even if the journalist industry was conducting underground midget fights, that doesn’t give her ex the right to sic a hate mob on her. That doesn’t make her deserving of harassment.

        The fact that you think it DOES tells me you are an equally shitty person. Please alert your significant other (if someone as shitty as you has managed to con another human into thinking you’re capable of love) that you reserve the right to dox them, sic a bunch of psychopaths on them, and slander them where they work if the screaming brain slugs in your head whisper that you were cheated on.

        • Bruce Hawthorn

          There’s proof. It’s in the zoepost. She doesn’t deny it. It’s not about her merely cheating, but being mentally and emotionally abusive and manipulative. Her actions to Eron alone were evil, regardless of the video game issue.

          • DemosthenesRants

            There it is: The Stupidest Thing I’ve seen today.

            I don’t deny I’m Batman either, but that probably won’t make me Batman. Also, I’m not inclined to believe a piece of shit stalker who doxes his ex that SHE’S the manipulative or abusive one in their relationship. Because he’s the one currently manipulating and abusing… Occams Razor here.

            Eron is a creepy loser abuser, based solely on the actions that are laid at his feet and that he takes PRIDE in. Zoe never claimed to be a saint; nor should she have to be to be allowed to break up with someone and not get death threats.

            The part where you don’t understand this makes you a piece of shit too. I hope you have a miserable life!

          • Bruce Hawthorn

            It’s not a matter of making baseless claims of things about her and her not denying. It’s a matter of him providing solid proof, her own admissions via screencapped chatlogs. Now you could claim that he somehow expertly fabricated all these screencaps in Photoshop or something and manufactured these entire convincing conversations from scratch, but that doesn’t pass the smell test, the conversations have all the marks of authenticity, they line up with what we know about Zoe from other sources, not to mention if this were the case it would be the easiest thing in the world for Zoe to just say they were faked.

            Then you say you’re inclined to believe Zoe because Eron doxed her. This is stupid on many levels, but Eron did not dox Zoe. Providing chat logs showing evidence of her abuse and manipulation to warn other potential abuse victims does not constitute doxing. Doxing would be giving information like her address and phone number for people to harass her at, which he never did. Read the zoepost. Many people who dismiss Eron as a stalker admit that they never read the post that started the whole controversy as it felt ‘unseemly’ to them. They just read some selectively written Gawker article and assumed they knew from that who the good guy and bad guy were.

            On the other hand Zoe Quinn HAS doxed people which you would know if you payed any attention to any of this stuff outside of your echo chamber. She used to be a member of a doxing and swatting board called helldump. She personally doxed people involved in Gamergate, for example she doxed and attempted to have swatted an attorney named Mike Cernovich. She linked to an article giving his personal address for the purpose of having him harassed, and also co-wrote an article encouraging people to baselessly call the cops on him (swat him).

          • ginmar

            HAHAHAHAHAHA Bullshit. Eron Gjoni is a loser, a psycho stalker scorned man who freaked out at being dumped AFTER A FIVE MONTH RELATIONSHIP. The only thing more pathetic than him are the man babies who hate women, and who desperately want women to be evil so they can feel good about being unfuckable.

          • whatever

            I haven’t seen you for probably half a decade and was a bit worried you had descended further. Glad to see you are well.

            #GetHelpGinmar

          • ginmar

            HAHAHAHAHAHA. Says the anon asshole supporting the psycho stalker ex. You guys are all alike.

          • whatever

            Seriously, I hope you are well.

          • ginmar

            Because “#gethelpginmar” is a tender expression of concern and respect.

          • whatever

            No, that was an insult because you are a joke.
            Regardless, I hope you are well.

          • 3R45U5

            he dumped her, not the other way `round.

          • ginmar

            HAHAHAHA. Sad little gator, trying desperately to cling to his vicarious fantasy about his pathetic loser hero.

          • DemosthenesRants

            A) None of that is true, and B) Even if all of it was, it is still unacceptable to treat her that way. Either by her shit stain ex, or the spitfroth neckbeards he’s inspired.

            Go home and rethink your life.

          • G ZA

            The Kotaku writer admited the relationship you idiot.
            She cheated on him alright.

            A dude relating his own experience of emotional abuse don’t make him a creepy loser.

          • DemosthenesRants

            Yeah they dated AFTER she left the shitbiscuit ex. Emotional Abuse is siccing an Internet mob on your ex-girlfriend and deliberately causing mental distress.

            Gee, wonder why Zoe doesn’t want to stay saddled to this creepy cockbite?

            Thanks for playing, but you’re also a horrible person for thinking anything you said makes unrelenting harassment acceptable

          • G ZA

            >Thanks for playing, but you’re also a horrible person for thinking anything you said makes unrelenting harassment acceptable.

            Never said that is acceptable. But the fact is that Eron was emotionally abused, that is a fact.
            Nevermind that for a second who are the morons SJW who keep slandering him in the press and bringing this all back again?. Specially after he won his court case.

            I’ve seen the dude on twitter and is Zoeys lackeys and followers who keep messaging him disgusting shit and harrassment. Yet not a word of that shit from your pals.

            If you want Zoey to be left alone then this guy deserves the exact same thing, otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

          • DemosthenesRants

            People who abuse seek attention and publish Internet posts claiming they were the REAL victim the whole time. People who are abused request to be left alone and drop court cases.

            Your 180 pound sack of asshole poster-boy for the “good guy” fits the profile and behavior of a serial abuser. Zoe does not. She continues to behave like an abuse victim while he continues to abuse.

            Go take a psych class. I know you hate interesting women, but knowingly backing a stalker and abuser should make you feel gross.

          • tequilatax

            Yet he refuses to leave her alone even when he has moved on to another relationship. How many women get abused by men? Don’t see any of them posting shit online about their abuser.

          • ReformedSamurai

            Nope, Kotaku admitted she had a relationship with one the relationship during the timeframe. You are going to say Kotaku is siding with Eron now? LOL

          • tequilatax

            Because men are NEVER mentally and emotionally abusive

      • ginmar

        Um, no she didn’t. One thing I LOVE about gatorholes is how they scream she slept with guys for reviews…..but the reviews don’t exist.

        • ReformedSamurai

          The only people who claim there was a review are the two bit journalists. Everyone else said it was positive coverage, which has been proven on Nathan Grayson’s numerous posts about the project.

          He is even mentioned in the “Special Thanks” by ZQ herself in the game.

          But yeah, there was no relationship whatsoever.

          • ginmar

            Niiiiiice lie. But you’re a troll anyway with JUST three comnents, so bye.

      • Kendall Raine

        Except the review she supposedly slept with someone for doesn’t fucking exist. Why is his word 100% fact, but whenever a woman accuses a man of anything, it’s suddenly “innocent until proven guilty,” but a woman doesn’t enjoy that same right apparently, if it’s a man accusing her.
        the fact that you use the word “cuck” tells me all I need to know as well.

      • tequilatax

        Even if that were true, how many women (wives and girlfriends) get cheated on/abused by men and don’t act nearly as psychotic as this guy? He isn’t the first guy to get cheated on and he won’t be the last. This looks more like his parents didn’t teach him any coping skills. If this could set him off, I hate to see how he would react to another negative life event.

  • http://www.doomsday.no Andreas Rønning

    Gjoni is a piece of junk and the harassment campaign against Quinn is one of the most dishonorable moments of internet culture in a decade. Absolutely shameful. This article still reads like it has an agenda, omitting much. GamerGate’s basic claim wasn’t that the “boys’ club” was being ruined, it was the (absurd) idea that women were sleeping their way into prominent industry positions. By omitting this conspiracy theory/accusation this story does more harm than god, reducing GG into a kind of comical mustache-twirling villain rather than a fairly complex phenomenon. So much is left unclear: Gjoni suggested strongly that Quinn had slept her way to media coverage, for instance. This is critical to the formation of GG and I don’t see that mentioned here.

    I’m just left confused about what this story attempts to do other than retell the narrative that Gjoni was a freak that knew how to manipulate internet culture for pure bloody minded vengeance and Quinn was thoroughly fucked over. This is *TRUE* but that story is pretty well told already, and the scale of the attacks she received came from complex allegations that “confirmed” a lot of sexist paranoia for a whole ton of people, a fair deal of women included.

    It’s a shame this article can’t stay objective here, it clearly has no love for game culture and it colours the narrative it presents. The notion that Grand Theft Auto encourages prostitute murder is one of the laziest and oldest ones in the witch hunt.

    It’s just hard to tell what this story is really trying to do other than make Gjoni look real fucking awful, which is not a particularly tall order.

  • Gabriel Andrés

    To people on both “sides” as well as outsiders to the world of games: there are thousands of women working tirelessly with love and passion to make games, and it has been like this for decades. The overwhelming majority of women in games are not a)harassed by anonymous hate mobs or b) shilling their games through victimhood in social media.
    A short list of women in games (artists, composers, directors, programmers, business women)

    Yoko Shimomura- composer extraordinaire of Street Fighter and Kingdom Hearts
    Mariel Cartwright- lead animator on Skullgirls
    Michiru Yamane- composer of Castlevania and Suikoden
    Julie Uhrman CEO responsible for the OUYA microconsole
    Nina Freeman- independent creator focused on autobiographical video games
    Mari Shimazaki – designer of Bayonetta.
    Kim Swift- Creator of Portal

    Roberta Williams -game designer, co-founder of Sierra On Line Amy Henning- creator of Legacy of Kain
    Ayami kojima- illustrator at Konami

    • ginmar

      Yeah, and? Does that make the harassment of other women okay?

    • Kendall Raine

      Studies have shown that women get much, much more harassment in online games than men do.

      • 3R45U5

        no they dont. they show that men do get more harrassment by a large margin,.
        what those polls show though is that women tend to get more SEXUAL harrassment than men.

  • Dusk

    DId Zoe give you “special treatment” for this to be published?

    Not that I expect anything less: GG is virtually forbidden from having a platform to speak but damn! I like how you started off as if this was going to be an evaluation of an interview and ended up being bullshit.

    THey should fire you, you clearly have no idea how to professionally conduct yourself or how to investigate a topic. this is nothing more than sensationalism

    • ginmar

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Pathetic little manbaby.

    • Kendall Raine

      So you still believe that crock of shit despite the fact that the review in question never existed? So much for being “evidence based”

  • Bruce Hawthorn

    Read the zoepost. The writing in this article is incredibly deceptive. It uses weasel words to avoid getting into the details of the relationship because those details are so damning to Zoe. It mentions Zoe’s ‘principled stand on loyalty’ without detailing what that was. Her stand on loyalty, that she made clear to Eron, was that cheating on a partner was a form of rape. She used this to try to guilt him into breaking off platonic friendships with other women who were depressed and vulnerable. All the while, she was doing the exact same thing in spades that she claimed it would be ‘rape’ for him to do.

    Even setting the video game ethics stuff aside, this is hardcore psychological and emotional abuse. This is an example of a bad person. There is a lot that could be said about the video game accusations but it’s not necessary to get into that right now since it’s enough to point out that you’re lionizing an abuser. This article falsely claims Eron was a jilted lover desperately begging Zoe to come back, when anyone who read the zoepost knows the opposite of that happened. She was begging him to come back to her which was why she was admitting her affairs. This is all proven with screencaps of chat logs and she has not denied or addressed the accuracy of those caps because she knows they are accurate and even getting into the accusations against her (actually, her own confessions) is a losing battle. Read the zoepost.

    Now, she has suffered as a result of trolls, so I would say leave her in peace. If she would only stop lying about everything. Proclaiming her innocence and demonizing her abuse victim instead of just admitting she was wrong, or just going offline and letting the matter rest. Now as well as lying to the press she is having a Hollywood actress carry her lies to the big screen in a propaganda film, demonizing her abuse victim and gamers across the globe. This is wrong. She needs to stop.

    • ginmar

      Buuuuullllllllsssshhhhhit. Gjoni as a source? Yeah, no.

      • Bruce Hawthorn

        You don’t have to trust him, just look at the evidence he presented.

        • ginmar

          The lies of a bitter, scorned stalker? I bet you’re one of those guys who scream “INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY” when a woman accuses a man of anything, though.

          Once again: this guy lied. That is not evidence. A zillion morons repeating those same lies does not make them true, either. Try leaving your basement now and then.

          • ReformedSamurai

            Except he has posted the conversations he had with Zoe Quinn and even posted a video on the facebook website itself to show it wasn’t photoshopped.

            Also, the Kotaku editors even admitted that Nathan Grayson had a romantic relationship with Zoe Quinn.

            Furthermore, ZQ set up a Google Alerts on her ex. Sign of a stalker.

          • Bruce Hawthorn

            “He lied”
            Okay, so screencaps of conversations, verified as authentic by video, are ‘lies’? You’ve never looked at his post about Zoe have you? Just stop, you’re embarassing yourself.

          • ginmar

            “Verified” by…..losers who make MRAs look adequate. Yeah, that’s…..convincing.

          • Basileos Alexios

            The devil buried those dinosaur bones.

            Let it go mang, these are too far gone to see.

          • Kendall Raine

            “verified by video” so you mean some guy on youtube? Yeah, real credible. You realize how easy it is to fake screenshots and make them completely indistinguishable from the real thing? I could use my browser’s native features to make it look like you said “I like to eat poop” in your comment, take a screencap of it, claim it’s 100% fact. Plus, there’s women who’ve accused men of abuse and posted screenshots as evidence, and people like you still don’t believe them.

          • Justin Henry

            1. Do you know what evidence means, you notoriously deluded and famous for being insane individual? It doesn’t matter who presents the evidence. It’s fact.

            2. I would hope everyone would scream innocent until proven guilty whenever anyone is accused of anything, because that is how our legal system works, and it’s a virtue many other civilizations didn’t/don’t enjoy.

            3. You, ginmar (anyone reading this should google that name), are not anyone to tell others they’re basement-dwellers.

          • ginmar

            1. A bunch of MRAs who hate women…..hate a woman. Shocker.
            2. Funny how you assholes NEVER scream ITPG when it’s a woman. Then, you guys scream that the bitch is guilty, that whore lied, she fucked five guys……all solely on the word of a scorned man who has ably demonstrated no woman with brains should ever date him, ever. You assholes can lie about me all you want. By doing so, you’ve freed me.
            3. Google me? Yeah, a hate group that hates women….hates me. You assholes don’t get it, do you? If you guys spoke well of me, that would be terrible….because you’re the KKK for pitiful losers. And I live in a Victorian house, thanks, not my mommy’s cum-stained basement.

          • Justin Henry

            1. Doesn’t matter if it comes from MRAs or SJWs. Facts are facts. Try again.

            2. Everyone should scream innocent until proven guilty, period. I’m not defending people who don’t in any circumstance, even if your argument depends on it. Try again.

            3. You spend all your time online lying, misrepresenting, and harassing people. You’re pathetic. Try again at life.

          • ginmar

            1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The end. You’re a complete waste of time, and you do it to yourself. Thanks!

          • Justin Henry

            Is this really what you go around doing? Shouting false statements and when people don’t bite, move on? Does this make you happy? Jesus. Good luck in life.

          • ginmar

            Says the edgy little white boy who can’t tell the difference between the NAACP and the KKK. YOU are the KKK here, loser. Your words speak for themselves. Your hate movement doesn’t fool anybody who’s not a twentysomething loser ranting about bitchez and PC.

          • Justin Henry

            Uh, the only thing I’ve promoted is rational thought and innocent until proven guilty. Far from edgelording and both are healthy, good things. Meanwhile you’ve ranted about the KKK and spammed HAHA’s. Who’s supposed to be the child here?

          • ginmar

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You’re an MRA. “Rational thought” from an MRA. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. You think after preaching about MRA-hood you have *any* credibility at all.

          • Justin Henry

            I’m not the KKK, and you’re not the NAACP. What world do you live in little girl?

          • Kendall Raine

            WHAT evidence? That game review she apparently slept with someone for that doesn’t exist? That evidence?
            A man’s word = evidence, a woman’s word = not evidence?

        • Kendall Raine

          I love how a man’s word is 100% absolute fact, but whenever a woman accuses a man of abuse or rape, it’s always “innocent until proven guilty.” I guess innocent until proven guilty is a privledge only reserved for men, and their word matters more than woman’s word, like in Saudi Arabia.

  • Justin Henry

    I hope anyone who comes across this article cares enough to look into the real story with this guy, his abusive ex, and GamerGate. This article along with most major media outlets misrepresent the issue entirely.

    • tequilatax

      Abusive ex? In what way? Do you know how many women are abused in the U.S.? None of them ever acted like this psychotic freak.

      • http://www.doomsday.no Andreas Rønning

        You’re wrong, but that’s besides the point. There’s nothing excusable about Gjoni’s behavior.