Game of Fear

What if a stalker had an army? Zoe Quinn’s ex-boyfriend was obsessed with destroying her reputation—and thousands of online strangers were eager to help.

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Zoe Quinn. (Photograph by Jason Grow)

The first thing Eron Gjoni said after sitting down across from me at Veggie Galaxy in December was that he would probably violate his gag order if he talked to me. Then he talked for the next three hours, and again and again over the next three months.

Gjoni can be relentless that way. And in others. He maintains incessant eye contact from behind a tangle of dark, wavy hair. He is intensely focused. Just ask Zoe Quinn, the object of his unwanted obsession.

In September 2014, Quinn, 27, appeared in Boston Municipal Court to ask Judge Jonathan Tynes for a restraining order against Gjoni, her ex-boyfriend. In a handwritten affidavit to the court, Quinn tried to explain what had happened over the past month. After their brief romance ended, she noted, Gjoni “wrote and published a long post about my sex life and private dealings to several websites that he knew had a history of harassing me.” Quinn is a video-game designer and, like many women in the business, routinely receives misogynistic threats from strangers. Gjoni, Quinn contended, was aware that his blog post would result in her being harassed and stalked, and she claimed he had published it in order “to damage my professional reputation as an independent artist.” What’s more, she told the judge, the results had been particularly severe: Since Gjoni’s initial blog post, “I have received numerous death and rape threats from an anonymous mob that [Gjoni] had given details to,” she wrote. “My personal info like my home address, phone number, emails, passwords, and those of my family has been widely distributed, alongside nude photos of me, and several of my professional accounts and those of my colleagues have been hacked.”

Quinn understated the facts. The thousands of threats, which she continues to receive daily, terrified her. Tweets such as “Im not only a pedophile, ive raped countless teens, this zoe bitch is my next victim, im coming slut” spoke for themselves. Messages such as “could kill yourself. We don’t need cunts like you in this world” preyed on the common knowledge that Quinn struggled with depression; she’d won acclaim for creating an impressionistic video game called Depression Quest. Forced to flee her Dorchester apartment, she spent more than six months hiding in friends’ homes. In her affidavit, Quinn struggled to explain to the judge who was behind these threats: They were anonymous, faceless, and they could be anywhere. “Eron has coached this mob multiple times, made multiple social media accounts to smear my name publicly, and has stoked the fire of this on many occasions and doesn’t seem to be stopping,” Quinn told the court. “I am in fear of him.”

Judge Tynes asked if Quinn had sought help from the police. She had, in fact— numerous times. She told Boston police officers what Gjoni had done, including her allegation that he had turned violent the last time they had sex over the summer, just before their breakup, while she was at a conference in San Francisco. Judge Tynes told Quinn he wanted to help, but stumbled to find the right words as he scribbled down the conditions of a restraining order against Gjoni, barring him from posting any further information about Quinn’s personal life online or encouraging—“What’s the first adjective?” the judge asked. “Something mob—What was the mob?”

“Uh, hate,” Quinn replied.

“Hate mob—all right,” said the judge. “I’ll put that in quotations. Good luck, ma’am. So long.”
And now here Gjoni sat before me. Over the past three months, according to Quinn, he had continued to defy Tynes’s order, divulging further details about her personal life and forcing her to return to court in Boston again and again to address his repeated violations. As of April, the court had formally charged him with four.

There’s a haunting resonance to Gjoni’s choice of location for our meeting. This is where he and Quinn first hung out in person: It’s where his obsession with her began. He’s come back to the beginning, and he wants me to know that Quinn is a “hypocrite,” a “compulsive liar,” and an “asshole.”

Gjoni is a highly cerebral, 25-year-old software developer who was recently fired from Massachusetts General Hospital’s robotics lab. He chooses his words deliberately, spending much of our time together describing the month after his breakup with Quinn: how he extracted details from her Facebook, text, and email accounts; how he tracked her movements and shadowed her conversations. The process he described to me sounded as if he were gathering the pieces of a horrible machine, with each component designed to be as damaging to Quinn as possible. Eventually, the machine would have a name: “The Zoe Post,” a 9,425-word screed he published in August.

But before he emptied the contents of Quinn’s private life into the gaping maw of a bloodthirsty Internet, back before he instigated the most vicious online backlash against feminism in a generation, there was a first date. A date that began, not unlike many other 21st-century first dates, on OkCupid. The algorithms spoke: Gjoni and Quinn were a 98 percent match.

 

Neither Gjoni nor Quinn was particularly good at dating. He’d had a handful of flings in college and she’d had a number of short-term relationships. Both seemed stuck in adolescence—the types of young adults who tend to burn hot and flame out fast.

Their first date lasted three days. They met one December night at a dive bar in Harvard Square, snuck into Harvard Stadium, stayed over at Gjoni’s apartment in Chelsea, and got breakfast the next morning at Veggie Galaxy before continuing to hang out. Over the next few weeks, they went to karaoke bars around Boston, talked philosophy, and shared vulnerabilities. Gjoni regarded himself as a talented programmer and enjoyed cuddling and coding with Quinn late into the night. But he treated Quinn’s principled stands on gaming, social justice, and loyalty as if they were the behavior of some exotic creature.

Possessed of a boyish face despite his shaggy beard, Gjoni has brown eyes and a skeletal 6-foot-1 frame, and speaks in a matter-of-fact, deadpan monotone. His friends describe him as “extremely methodical,” “a very intellectual person with semi-decent people skills,” insular, rational, and almost preternaturally calm. Benjamin Hitov, a childhood friend and fellow programmer, told me he once beat Gjoni in the ninja fighter game Dead or Alive “100 times in a row, and he didn’t change his expression once.”

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Eron Gjoni. ((Photograph by Jason Grow)

Born in Albania, Gjoni migrated to Worcester with his family when he was six to escape the Kosovo War. “Moving here was like a big reset button,” he told me. His mother, who had been an architect, became a convenience-store clerk, and his father, a former legal adviser to the deputy prime minister, worked as what Gjoni calls a “quality-assurance drone.”

Growing up, Gjoni struggled to assimilate, but with a precocious mathematical mind, he found solace in computers. School, he says, was “almost bizarrely easy,” so he dropped out of a computer science program at Worcester State when MGH poached him during his senior year. Eventually, he found a small group of buddies. Still, as his longtime friend Casey Evans told me, Gjoni remains “apprehensive about getting emotionally close to people.” So Evans was shocked by how smitten and affectionate Gjoni was with Quinn when they went on a double date in early 2014. It was one of the few times Gjoni introduced Quinn to his friends. “She came off as very charismatic,” Evans remembers.

Gjoni fell for her hard—maybe too hard, given how brief their relationship was. He began idealizing Quinn as “this perfect ethical thing,” he says, and less as a gifted and flawed woman who battled chronic depression. Quinn often traveled to speak at gaming conferences, and they saw each other at most once a week. After just five months, they broke up. But Gjoni wouldn’t let go.

  • Kav P

    Bold and concise. Thank you so much for not being afraid.

    • Snakes on a Car

      But isn’t Progressiveism a war on whites?

      • GP

        No it’s an insurance company.

  • CSatire

    Great read. Well researched and produced. Very surprised Gjoni was willing to talk to somebody so openly and so callously admit what he did.

    • Snakes on a Car

      Aren’t white liberals a cancer?

  • Nikeyg

    Be prepared for what the comments section will eventually become.
    O.O

    • Casey Snow

      Gamergaters live in the comments sections of stuff like this. And they can stay here for all it matters.

      • Jimmy Russells

        GamerGate has being going on for 8 months now. Nothing can stop it and it’s hilarious that it bothers you so much.

        • Kav P

          Stop farting

          • EnoughFish

            Look at all the angry feminists.

            aGGro salt is singularly responsible for California’s drought.

        • Casey Snow

          It has been going on for 8 months… in comment sections. I don’t know what kind of revolution you kids have in mind, but I don’t think anything significant has ever been achieved by slogging into comment after comment with “what about MEEEEEE?!”

          • Kav P

            Casey, Casey, you forgot about the ethics!

            Remember? All those ethics?

          • Jimmy Russells

            You might want to check the dozens of articles, hundreds of thousands of tweets and achievements GG has under its belt.

            But nah, that would require you to think for two seconds.

          • Kav P

            :’)

          • Casey Snow

            Apparently that is not enough time for you to come up with even a single achievement…

          • Kav P

            What are you talking about? Obama only got to where he is now because of his tweet count!

          • Jimus Russs

            Man, it’s a damn shame that anti gamers can’t stay abreast of the facts. Ask Leigh Alexander or any of the other “gamers are dead” journos about how their careers are doing. Ask Kotaku where all (yes, ALL, every single one) of their advertisers went.

          • Casey Snow

            Oh, and my farts cause the sun to rise. Because correlation = causation.

            * looks at Kotaku and sees an ad * … well… at least I farted today.

          • Jimus Russs

            Adsense, bruh. Not the same.

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you just said “anti-gamer”….

            I’m dying

          • Jimus Russs

            Don’t tease.

          • Mike Yocom

            “…anti gamers can’t stay abreast of the facts.” – Person who goes on to reference the “Gamers are over.” article with “Gamers are dead.”

          • Jimus Russs

            Like I said, you can’t stay abreast of the facts.

        • Vookatos

          Oh man, EIGHT whole months?! Truly an unstoppable force of Journalism-defendres is upon us.

      • Nikeyg

        I hope they’re ready to indulge in some censorship, as it *might* get ugly.

        • Kav P

          I fucking LOVE censorship <3

  • http://www.andrewtodd.co.nz/ Andrew Todd

    Thank you for telling a story that had to be told in this level of depth.

  • Lee Patekar

    Easy to write whatever you want on someone legally gagged from publicly speaking about Chelsea Van Valkenburg. That’s very “curageous” of you.

    Personally I’m waiting for this to hit the courts, in a criminal trial. If everything written here is indeed true, there must be a criminal trial. But if there is no trial, you’re simply defaming someone by picking a side in a couple’s squabble.

    • Kav P

      Shouldn’t you be saying that to Eron Gjoni who wrote The Zoe Post 8 months ago? You know, because… it’s exactly what you’re describing?

      Also, using someone’s deadname is kind of stalkerish, mmkay?

      • garf02

        he wrote 1 blog, she been doing news for 8 months, figure out who is controlling the narrative, dear White knight

        • Kav P

          Sorry, I’m taken

          *honk honk*

      • Lee Patekar

        I’m using someone’s legal name.

        I’ll tell you what I’m not doing: I’m not taking an obvious hit piece as cash. Much like I didn’t read or care for the zoe post. I don’t know why people love their pitchforks and torches so much.

        If all the allegations in this article are indeed true there will be a criminal trial. OR, this will go the same was as Jackie’s allegations in the rolling stones. Time will tell.

        • Kav P

          If you didn’t care about The Zoe Post, why have you probed into her private life such that you know her deadname?

          That’s pretty creepy.

          Are you a stalker?

          • Lee Patekar

            Are you? I see you white knighting like mad in this article.

            Unless you’re living under a rock, you’ll note that her real name is used everywhere. Including in other hit piece articles like this one : http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09/01/lying-greedy-promiscuous-feminist-bullies-are-tearing-the-video-game-industry-apart/

            Like I said before, I’m waiting a trial for the truth to come out. I’m done with journalist hit pieces and internet white knights such as yourself. Take your torch and pitchfork and bugger off.

          • Kav P

            How does me wondering why you know enough about Zoe (despite not caring) to know her deadname as used in Breitbart make me a stalker?

            Do you logic?

          • Lee Patekar

            Are you? I see you white knighting like mad in this article.

            Do you know google? Its a magical website connected to tubes that answers simple questions about everything. You should try it.

          • Kav P

            The fact that you Googled Zoe enough to find out her deadname is pretty creepy. You do realise that, right? It’s not exactly common knowledge.

            You’re weird.

          • Lee Patekar

            Said the white knight with fifty something posts under her article lol

            I also find people calling her legal name a “dead” name pretty strange. You SJWs are a weird bunch of bigoted zealots.

      • Person Person

        It’s her legal name.

    • Mike Yocom

      Deadnaming is a harassment tactic, FYI.

      “Easy to write whatever you want on someone legally gagged from publicly speaking…”

      Because legal restrictions have ever stopped Gjoni from talking at length about his ex.

      “But if there is no trial, you’re simply defaming someone by picking a side in a couple’s squabble.”

      Signing on to Eron Gjoni’s Personal Revenge Army = not picking a side;
      Writing an article documenting the shitstorm = picking a side

      Ok.

      • Lee Patekar

        Its her legal name, deal with it.

        You don’t have to pick a side to see this article for what it is, one sided click bait. Its a hit piece. If the allegations herein are true, we’ll see a trial and the truth will come out. Until then I’m not choosing either.

        But I will admit, this has the same vibe as that rolling stone article about the university of Virginia.

        • Mike Yocom

          When somebody regularly uses a pseudonym instead of their legal name, it is harassment to reveal the legal name.

          • Lee Patekar

            Only in whatever universe you live in.

            I’ve also been told that replying to someone or disagreeing is harassment too. Now you can feel like a special snowflake and cry about harassment as well. Isn’t it wonderful?

      • Joseph T.

        Pointing out someone known for their penname’s legal name is harassing? Wow, let me harass Whoopi Goldberg right now by calling her Carolyn.

  • Jimmy Russells

    Just a reminder that Zoe emotionally abused Gjoni, exploited the legal system to keep him quiet, continues to demonize him to this day, and according to her own definition of consent, repeatedly raped him by cheating with multiple men and women.

    • Calvin Hamel

      you’re cute, the way you pretend to be a grown up.

    • Kav P

      You didn’t read the piece, did you?

      ZOE POST IS OBJECTIVE FACT BUT THIS ARTICLE IS “BIASE”

      • Jimmy Russells

        I did. I loved the way the facts were handwaved and the ‘courageous struggle’ of Zoe Quinn was more important than the ‘obsessive, mean spirited and salty” Gjoni.

        A man’s effort to show the world the kind of abuse he went through is apparently cruel.

        • Kav P

          Yeah, a blog post for the purposes of organising and weaponising an Internet mob is so noble.

          All his relationship troubles belonged in court, not online. Simple as that. None of my business, none of yours.

          And GG talks about “ethics”. LOLOLO

          • garf02

            >weaponising an internet mob
            hey the guy went out and talked how terrible ZQ was, that is fact, spin it how you want. but that is the true.

          • Kav P

            Yes, it is “the true” that this is what he did.

            Waiting for how this negates him weaponising an Internet mob.

          • garf02

            >weaponising
            and here goes another word that SJW destroy. what a said day.

          • Live the dream

            Eron did post on 4chan but that was after the zoe post was posted on 4chan.

          • garf02

            he is implying eron went to 4chan to instigate /b/ onto ZQ.

          • Jimmy Russells

            For starters, he didn’t create GG. That’s just one of hundreds of reasons why he isn’t guilty of “weaponizing an internet mob”.

          • Casey Snow

            He brought his post to 4chan. If he wasn’t deliberately trying to start a riot, he is incredibly stupid and irresponsible. Either way he is abhorrent.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >he brought his post to 4chan

            Prove it.

          • Casey Snow

            This is old, old news. You can read the story here:

            http://idledillettante.com/2014/12/06/eron-gjoni-hateful-boyfriend/

          • Jimmy Russells

            I see no sources on the claim that he posted this on 4chan.

            The most you can say about Gjoni was that he talked to people on an IRC chat that was dedicated to the discussion of the Zoe Post. An IRC chat in which he went out of his way to encourage others to leave Zoe alone.

          • Casey Snow

            You clearly could not have read that whole article in 5 minutes.

            https://archive.is/m2fmN

          • garf02

            >what is speed reading
            and whats the point of that link?

            yes she did artistic nude, so?

          • Casey Snow

            That was an archived page from 4chan of eron bringing his post there. If you read the article you would have known that. I don’t think you are really here to discuss anything. You and Jimmy are just here to shout Gamergate slogans.

          • garf02

            again, lets imply he brought it to 4chan, so what?
            it went viral anyway.
            also
            >4chan is a hate machine
            this proves how little you know about it then.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Can you please point out where exactly is Eron’s name in this?

            Because that post says Anonymous, and unless you can actually prove it was Gjoni typing that, I can’t believe you’re bringing up an anonymous post as proof.

          • Kav P

            omg lmao

          • Casey Snow

            The anons on chan asked for proof that this was Eron, so he made an adjustment to his tumblr post in which he gave a shout-out to that thread (there is a screen cap of that too in the article). This convinced the anons on 4chan, from which they proceeded to ask Eron questions.

          • Jimmy Russells

            He made the adjustment on his blog to prove he was talking to them on the IRC chat, actually, not to prove he was making the post.

            Are you having problems following your own ‘facts’?

          • Kav P

            Where did those goalposts go?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t be mad, I’m paying attention to you too.

          • Casey Snow

            “TL;DR welcome 4channers, if you’re coming here from the thread I made on /r9k/”

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t make things up just to prove a moot point. That’s just sad.

          • Casey Snow

            Aaaaaaaaand you’re done. Thanks for playing, Jimmy. Better luck next time. 😉

          • Jimmy Russells

            I love the way you guys end conversations all by yourself.

          • garf02

            Is this your own blog? cause that look terrible

          • garf02

            if you think 4 chan is a riot central, you are hte stupid and irreponsible

          • fredessb

            Yes, the way he hilariously exposed Quinn’s bullying, deceit, and hypocrisy was abhorrent … to third wave feminism,

          • Kav P

            Did you just say that GamerGate is an Internet mob?

            Oh my God you did

          • Jimmy Russells

            “What are those squiggly lines before and after his words?” – You.

          • Kav P

            Sorry, but you saying that just now doesn’t change what you just said.

            You’re my favourite nincompoop. <3

          • Jimmy Russells

            It actually does. It’s called quoting. Quoting you, in this instance.

            I’m sorry, were you dropped in the head when you were a baby?

          • Kav P

            You completely missed it and I’m happy with that because it proves my point more than I ever could. :’)

            We’re done.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m so glad I could educate you on the fringe practice that is quoting.

          • Live the dream

            Weaponize a media mob?

            There is no evidence at all that he did this deliberately. No evidence that hhe posted this on 4chan. No evidence that he encouraged abuse. In fact from what i gather he did everything he could to stop people focusing on zoe. He did more to end the “harassment” against her than anyone else.

          • Kav P

            Look around this post. There’s an archive of his post to 4chan. Then leave, quietly.

    • fredessb

      They know.

  • fredessb

    Zoe Quinn isn’t going to have sex with you.

    • Kav P

      Yawn.

    • Mike Yocom

      “Zoe will sleep with anything!”
      “Zoe won’t sleep with you.”

      Gator logic.

  • Ricardo Lima

    A lie often repeted does not become truth by repetion.

    • Kav P

      Yeah, funny that.

  • aintnorest

    If you want to see what gamergate is about, go to their places, 8chan, /r/Kotakuinaction ect. See if they talk about ethics more then they whine about e-celebs and “SJW”‘s. The whole thing’s just a roiling chan raid.

  • garf02

    I wonder how did he “got all this information” from ZE ex, when he is on a Gag order that he can not talk about the topic online on any way.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      To answer this question, try reading the article that you just commented on.

      • garf02

        3 pages of
        >ZQ is good
        >Ex is evil
        >She did nothing wrong despise evidence proving it
        >she is women, stop harassing her
        etc
        been there, done that for 8 months. ZQ is a terrible human being, overall, so no matter what its follower try to defend on her, she will always be that.

        • Kav P

          Evidence = angry blog by angry ex

          • Jimmy Russells

            More like evidence = screencaps of actual conversations on Facebook between the two

            B-BUT MUH ANGRY EX

          • Kav P

            Yeah, that totally negates everything he did post-breakup.

            THE WORLD MUST KNOW ABOUT MY BREAKUP BLUUUES

          • Jimmy Russells

            What did he do post-breakup? Clarify things for people who were curious about what happened, defending Zoe even after all the shit she did to him?

            What a monster!

          • Kav P

            (Psst. The answer is: write an angry blog post to “warn” people about his partner instead of seeking some counselling to heal from what may well have been an abusive relationship)

          • Jimmy Russells

            Are you implying he didn’t get help from friends and family after what happened? That he wasn’t worried about STDs because they had unprotected sex after Zoe had her way with multiple people? Man, Eron’s not afraid of anything.

          • Kav P

            I’m implying that sending an Internet mob on someone is not an appropriate way to deal with someone you don’t like.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So you would’ve been completely okay with Zoe walking away from it unscathed just so she could’ve felt ‘safe’?

            You keep proving yourself to be more horrible than I thought.

          • Kav P

            Have you ever heard of a court of law?

            I haven’t.

            All I know is the Internets. Fart.

          • Jimmy Russells

            You gotta keep that scat fetish under control.

          • Jimus Russs

            There is no internet mob. That sob story exists only within ZQ’s mind.

          • Kav P

            LMAO

          • Inner Partisan

            Suuuuure thing, pal.

          • Live the dream

            actually from reading about him it was in all honesty someone saying that here is an abuser and she needs help and people need to know she is an abuser. He was hoping she would get help and no one would get abused in the future. I have seen no evidence that contradicts this motive. There is also evidence from other parties that he actually HELD BACK EVIDENCE. That would cause her more harm than what he showed.

          • Kav P

            My point is that that’s something you show to the police/a court of law and not an Internet mob.

            It’s pretty basic, really.

          • garf02

            yeah all he did was talk, what a terrible human being…. le gasp

        • aguyuno

          So you’re, therefore, literally commenting on a news article that you :”don’t care” about.

          Classic.

          • garf02

            i dont care for the article itself, I do care for the fact that 9 months after, they still try to spin the mess to make ZQ looks a like a poor victim when she is the Cruela de vil of this story

    • http://www.andrewtodd.co.nz/ Andrew Todd

      Three months of interviews that Gjoni admitted were breaking said gag order. As it says in the article on which you’re commenting.

      • garf02

        which said gag order is illegal and ZQ, factually proved, lied on court to get it ; D

        • Kav P

          Oh, it’s proved by FACTS?

          This is a new concept indeed.

          • Live the dream

            Yes actually she said things about a livestream that was contradicted by the live stream. There were many other things as well which go against objective reality. Now which do you think is the likely explanation that zoe told the truth and the entire internet on many sites and many documents have been changed through various hacking means….

            Or zoe lied?

          • Inner Partisan

            Oh. So when you say “factually proved”, what you *actually* mean is “hearsay”. Alright.

          • Live the dream

            No i mean factual proof. The documents detail her claims and the reality is different to her claims. What do you call someone who says things that a factually different to reality?

          • Inner Partisan

  • Aeian T’goni

    *sigh* yeah, thanks for helping make the world a little bit worse for women, there Gjoni. That’ll teach your exgirlfriend not to ever break up with you.

    • fredessb

      He just made life a little bit worse for *this* woman! after she’d made life a lot worse for him and many others.

      • Kav P

        Ah, eye for an eye, eh?

        Classic ethics.

        • Jimmy Russells

          So you admit Zoe’s done some pretty horrible stuff to women in the past? :^)

          • Kav P

            That you can glean that from that comment really explains why you didn’t understand that using quotation marks didn’t negate from your statement further down here. :’)

        • Jimus Russs

          If taking that eye brings results and stops the problem, I see no issue.

          • Kav P

            Obviously.

        • http://twitter.com/random_tangent Random Tangent

          Pre-classical, really.

    • garf02

      yeah she has suffered soooo much.. but im sure those 4K monthly will easy the pain in her heart

    • garf02

      in contrast ZQ made his life miserable, trying to sabotage a game jam, the career of a photographer, and used the dead of a well known and loved actor to promote her excuse of a game

      • Kav P

        Yawn.

    • Jimus Russs

      Yeah, how horrible. He spoke up about abuse from a self defined rapist.

      Men should know better than to stop women from leaving a path of destruction in their wake.

      • Kav P

        Men should just go their own way, wouldn’t you agree? :)

        • Jimmy Russells

          Victim blaming is so fun, wouldn’t you agree? :3

          • Kav P

            > Believes Zoe deserves what has happened to her because she is so so mean
            > Talks about victim blaming

          • Jimmy Russells

            I believe Zoe deserves at least some kind of punishment for abusing an innocent man, yes. I honestly can’t believe you think of her as a victim.

        • Jimus Russs

          So don’t complain when that way railroads an abuser.

  • RexCelestis

    Thank you for this heartbreaking article. I appreciate the amount of space given to Mr. Gjoni. Although hearing his words does not offer a sympathetic view. I agree with others. I find it sad and horrifying Zoe has been affected by GamerGate for longer than the entirety of her relationship with Gjoni.

    • garf02

      >affected
      >travel to Europe
      >E celeb stat
      >Free money monthly out of patreon
      I want to be affected to, in 8 months that is 32K free money I would make, where do I apply?

      • Kav P

        Stop farting.

        • garf02

          shut up kyle

          • Kav P

            Dear God the smell

      • RexCelestis

        I guess you’re just dating the wrong people.

        • garf02

          dont know, who do I need to date so I can play victim later on and live out of Patreon pity?

          • Kav P

            Eron Gjoni, apparently. Go on. You deserve each other. <3

          • garf02

            not my type, sorry

          • Live the dream

            The recording of the panel actually has the honey badgers promoting what sounds like second wave feminist standard fare. She is saying women can and should write the comics they want. Is this now harassment?

          • Kav P

            What are you talking about and how is that relevant to why they were asked to leave?

          • Jimmy Russells

            It’s literally the reason they were banned, not asked to leave.

            This is the average intellect of the Mary Sue readership.

          • Kav P

            DOES YOU HAS PROOFS THAT I READS THE MARY SUES

          • Jimmy Russells

            It’s on your profile. Literally one click away.

            Don’t be salty, I’m starting to like you.

          • Kav P

            Well done!

          • Inner Partisan

            Actually, they got banned for getting into the con under false pretenses and then acting like the utter dipshits they are.

          • Jimmy Russells

            You can check their website and see they didn’t enter the con under a false name.

            But you gotta listen and believe to the Mary Sue. :^)

          • Michael Lindsay

            Ya could try what the pro GG Honey Badgers did and wail to the GG and redpill faithful that you need to pay for the lawyers to fight an unwinnable case of you getting kicked out of a con for being a prat…
            …or you could just do what Rouge Star did and just promise the GG hordes a shiny game that never shows up!

          • Kav P

            *RogueStarRunner

          • Jimmy Russells

            >politely asking a question after getting approved by the people in the conference is being a prat

            Nah, what am I saying, you haven’t even heard the recording. Mary Sue has the facts!

          • Nikeyg

            NO! ONLY RALPH RETORT HAS ALL THE FACTS AND ALL THE ETHICS!
            OH, AND BREITBART!
            AND TECHRAPTOR!

            *monotone zombie voice*-We must only trust them-*monotone zombie voice*

          • Jimmy Russells

            I don’t even need to read any of those sites to know the facts.

            The recording is in their website. Go ahead, listen to it. I can wait.

          • Kav P

            Would you say you…. listen and believe the Honey Badgers? :^)

          • Jimmy Russells

            Given the fact that they have actual evidence, yes.

            Are you still listening and believing to the Rolling Stone campus rape story? :^)

          • Kav P

            Ooooh, factual evidence! As opposed to that evidence that isn’t factual.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I wrote actual. Is your farting fetish affecting your sight?

          • Kav P

            Maybe

          • Kav P

            You forgot The Wiggum Retort.

            The sole owner of whom is so disorganised he doesn’t even write in advance to organise an interview before coming to a con to angrily interview someone, hence getting promptly kicked out.

          • aguyuno

            He said Ralph :P. Though yes, seriously, fuck em.

          • Kav P

            I only respond to “Wiggum” now. It’s my fault.

          • aguyuno

            LOL. Got it.

          • garf02

            >unwinnable case
            this come before or after Whatevercon it was had to change the excuer 4 times, then completely erase all evidence to avoid further screwing it up.

            but sure, keep thing that way, it will take you far in life..

  • Slim neb

    And yet. If the Zoe Post had been written by a woman about a man, it would have been a ‘brave diary of a poor woman escaping an emotionally abusive ex’, and Zoe would have been hailed as a brave survivor, and Eron an abusive monster. Don’t anyone suggest it wouldn’t have.

    • Kav P

      Poor diddums :(

    • Hyena

      Just have to dig up all the tons of times such things have occured on tumblr.
      Heck, just a month ago, some ‘anon’ confessions of abuse were even thrown at the main guy behind xkit and so many of them ate it up without a second thought.
      Also what happened with UAV and the mattress girl. If those same things were guys who made the intentional claims, most of them wouldn’t of given a damn and problem be sipping from their “male tears” mugs with smug grins and blubbering on about how they probably deserved it :v

      Heck, some of them will even defend a pedophile if it’s a woman before they’ll even think of helping out a guy in crisis

      • Kav P

        And that’s terrible.

        Regardless, it’s not the job of an Internet mob to deliver justice.

        • garf02

          and here you and your friends are, trying to do so, oh the irony 😀

          • Kav P

            Remind me of the last time I swarmed on an individual to threaten them with death and sexual violence and ruin their career pls k tx

          • garf02

            I dont know, remind me last time I did, or Jim, or 99% of GamerGate, as only troll give a flying fuck for quinn and friend (when they are nto being slandering liars on the internet)

          • Kav P

            So why are you here?

            TROLLCEPTION

          • Live the dream

            I love how when you run out of arguments just do a sass nonsense insult as if that changes anything. It just makes you look petty.

          • Kav P

            If by “run out of arguments” you mean “get bored with lack of reception to satirical devices”, sure thing. :)

          • aguyuno

            >Literally the first comment here from you
            >Your entire argument is Kav looks petty because she has no real argument

            Aight.

          • Live the dream

            Yes because i have READ THE THREAD. It has happened on multiple occasions.

          • aguyuno

            Or something.

          • Kav P

            Stop stalking me I have mace

            Gosh you anti gamers are the worst

          • Live the dream

            stalking you by reading the comments? I literally read all the comments and that makes me evil?

          • Live the dream

            Is reading the comments in a comment section stalking?

          • Ricardo Lima

            Considerig GG received same treaths we can as fairly blame you for them. Try to avoid using your human shields its old.

          • Kav P

            BUT WHAT ABOUT #NOTYOURSHIELD

          • Ricardo Lima

            Did I bring them up? They are just prof we arent all white male or sockpupets nothing else and that being a certain gender or race isnt a shield.

        • Ricardo Lima

          Nor is yours but here we are arent we Kav.

          • Kav P

            I’m not delivering justice, I’m just having some fun watching gamers cry.

          • aguyuno

            SO much fun.

            “WE DON’T EVEN CARE ABOUT ZOE.” They comment furiously, their care meter through the fucking rough

          • Jimmy Russells

            More like smelling our farts. And I thought foot fetishists were weird.

        • Jimus Russs

          When the system fails, others have to step up.

          • Kav P

            Like an Internet mob. Yep.

          • Jimus Russs

            If need be. That said, there is no mob.

          • Kav P

            lol

          • Jimus Russs

            I never understood why people say “lol” whilst obviously having a tantrum.

          • Kav P

            What exactly am I having a tantrum about?

            The irrefutable fact that gamers are dead? :)

          • Jimus Russs

            Gamergate in general. The key thing about this whole issue is that anti gamers have been far more salty about us than we have about the ethical issues we have raised. Your rage and intolerance is exactly what has escalated this to where we are now.

            No one had to be fired. No one’s dirty laundry had to be aired. No sites had to be bankrupted. But you had to keep that narrative going, you had to keep your soggy knees. So, now GG is up in your shit, and you don’t even have a clue about what is actually going on. You’re just so pissed, and you don’t even know the real reason why. Great job, btw. Anti gamers kept pouring gas on this, and that is why GG has lasted for the better part of a year.

          • Inner Partisan

            DARKNESS. NO PARENTS.

          • Jimus Russs

            Kinda like Zoe.

  • Mike Caputo

    Stay thirsty, my friend.

  • buddyluv324

    Do people in GG still talk about her anymore or is it the SJWs that cant help but keep talking about her? From the sound of Zoe and the ex, it just sounded like a shitty relationship that partially helped bring up the discussion of the current state of gaming journalism

    • Jimmy Russells

      I love how her rich, white boyfriend whose father profits from bombing Palestinian children had to pay a nobody politician for Zoe to be heard.

      They truly are the face of harassed, unprivileged youngster in America.

      • Kav P

        Stop farting

        • Jimmy Russells

          Aww, don’t worry, I’m sure Alex can just pay another politician with more blood money.

          They’re on a mission to stop harassment. :^)

          • Matthew Long

            CONSPIRACY!

          • Jimmy Russells

            Alex’s father is a conspiracy? Damn, her mom must’ve been quite the holy virgin.

          • Live the dream

            gamergate are all evil people out to harass people. Pointing out what alex does for a living is a conspiracy.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Pointing out that his father exists is literally harassment. I might be going to jail. :^(

          • Kav P

            Oh honey.

          • aguyuno

            Oh my god, you actually believe that too. This guy. Wow.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Why are you so angry about the facts? You should be more angry about his father killing innocent Palestinian kids while Alex lives off that money.

          • aguyuno

            You know, I hear Zoe actually was the one who hired John Wilkes Booth, too!

          • Jimmy Russells

            I don’t know about that, but she did frequent a doxxing forum in her early, edgy days.

            She won’t sleep with you, so you can stop defending her honor.

          • aguyuno

            Not all of us define our lives based on our thirst, kiddo.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >kiddo

            Confirmed teenager. Your thirst for Zoe marches on.

          • aguyuno

            Oh honey.

          • Jimmy Russells

            That salt, tho.

          • Matthew Long

            Why are you obsessed with the thought of sleeping with her as if that’s the goal?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Why else would you defend a known abuser and rapist, by her own admission?

            You can get a better girl, dude. Keep trying.

          • Inner Partisan

            AND JET FUEL CAN’T MELT STEEL BEEEAAAMS!!!

          • Jimmy Russells

            I wish you guys could do something about Alex. He literally lives off blood money.

            But poor Zoe, though. :^(

          • Joseph T.

            You know what? I want to make up with Alex. He was part of the creation of one of my favorite games and I want to ask him a very important question about the development of Fallout: New Vegas: What coffee shop in Irvine, CA did the team prefer?

        • Jimus Russs

          I love your salt. I love how you upvote your own posts even more. You get me almost as hard as Zoe’s tears do.

          • aguyuno

            …You know you can _actually_ check who upvoted her posts and see it wasn’t here, right?

            No… No, of course you don’t.

            Stay mad, Jimus.

          • Kav P

            “She has upvotes, that means she must have done it! It’s LOGIC”

            No wonder you’re here talking about how great Gjoni is.

          • Jimus Russs

            Didn’t say anything about Gjoni. But you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with ZQ. Don’t worry, plenty of her to go around.

          • Kav P

            Oh my God, you just did that.

            > Talks about me having unhealthy obsession with ZQ
            > Follows with a jab at her sex life

            I can’t make this shit up. :’)

          • Jimmy Russells

            You been doing this for an hour now, though.

            Don’t worry, she’s into girls too.

          • aguyuno

            I love this guy.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Thanks, baby. I hope my posts are giving you epic retweets.

          • aguyuno

            Honey, I find you amusing. I wouldn’t write a tweet about you at gunpoint. Go check if you don’t believe me, rofl.

          • Jimmy Russells

            No, thanks. I’ll let you enjoy my top notch comments some more, though.

          • Jimus Russs

            And?

          • Inner Partisan
          • Jimus Russs

            K.

          • Jimus Russs

            Also, it was a jab at her girth, not sex life.

          • Hannah Shaw-Williams

            “You get me almost as hard as Zoe’s tears do.”

            #Ethics

          • Jimus Russs

            #femaletears

    • Lee Patekar

      I can’t speak for GG, but their sub-reddit was on fire over the valve modding controversy. Haven’t seen a post about Chelsea until today, and it points to this article.

    • aguyuno

      This comment thread is _literally_ about 50-60% GGers hwo can’t stop talking about her. So I’m p sure that should answer your question.

      • Live the dream

        Yes the article lies and mentions zoe. The comments by people involved in gamergate seek to defend themselves by pointing out lies said by zoe. totally shows gg keeps bringing her up. Has nothing to do with you know the article in question.

        • Kav P

          Why are you defending yourself when the article is about Eron Gjoni?

          Are you… are you saying that GamerGate and Gjoni are related? That they both seek the same kinds of justice?

          Huh. Imagine that.

          Also, *defends GG from accusations of GG being obsessed with Zoe by obsessing on the comments thread of an article about Zoe*

          • Live the dream

            Because i find printing lies about people to not be ethical jounralism. Is that a difficult concept?

          • aguyuno

            Hold on. Are you saying that you literally bust into every single biased/”lying” article and wrote biased?

            Riiiiiiiiiight

          • Live the dream

            Yes they are linked. He was lied about and that is unethical journalism. Gamergate is about ethics in jounralism so why wouldn’t we be interested in a breach of ethics in journalism?

            Justice would be the truth. That is all we want. We have evidence that no one even checks.

          • Kav P

            Ethics in games journalism.

            Did Zoe Quinn write an article in a games-related paper about Eron Gjoni?

          • Live the dream

            It may startle you to know this but when an unethical bit of jounralism occurs it is of interest to us. Especially if we have information that contradicts it. We have this information because we looked at this situation months ago then moved onto to other topics. That information we have suddenly just doesn’t disapear. We know this article is wrong so it is of interest as an example of unethical jounralism.

    • Mike Yocom

      Well, let’s see, just the other day Gamergate brigaded a documentary just because Zoe Quinn was in it.

      • Live the dream

        No the zoe appearence was a minor thing. We spent most of it making fun of pretentious pink haired hipsters who have no talent.

        • aguyuno

          Oh so, you stayed on topic then.

          …Wait.

          • Live the dream

            Yes apparently in gamergate if someone isn’t talking about ethics at all times it then becomes a hate group. Couldn’t possibly be people you know acting like human beings mocking things they find silly. Talking about anything but ethics means we are evil some how.

          • Kav P

            What do you think the odds are that this article is featured on KiA?

            Because KiA isn’t related to GG, and GG isn’t related to Zoe Quinn, so that would be entirely unlikely, wouldn’t it?

          • Live the dream

            its an article that is related to us and is printing lies. That is unethical jounralism isn’t it?

          • Live the dream

            An unethical article which is clearly wrong is going to be mentioned on kia becuase its about unethical media.

          • aguyuno

            It means you’re a group, dipshit. If the fucking hashtag isn’t just about Ethics, it’s no longer “just a hashtag”, it’s a group.

            A group.

            As in you’re responsible for your actions.

            Ty for finally admitting that.

          • Live the dream

            Yes the group of us discussing the video. Because the group definied itself as the group discussing the video. Just like there is a group of us commenting in this comment section. Which would make you and me part of a group. I used teh gamergate name because its what you call people who disagree and care about ethics.

          • aguyuno

            Sigh.

            Anything to avoid being responsible for your actions, right?

          • Live the dream

            Sometimes people talk about other things. There is more to life than simple ethics or silence. Sometimes we make jokes talk about the weather and current events. Does this make us evil to do so?

        • Kav P

          Ha ha ha, and you call everyone else “anti gamers”.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Gotta love that white diversity with pink hair.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      Hahahahaha these comments are absolutely flooded with Gamergaters. They’re swarming in from all directions like angry bees and you’re seriously trying to pull the “We don’t even care about Zoe Quinn” card?

      • buddyluv324

        Um when did ever say “We dont care about Zoe Quinn” or even say that I’m affiliated with GG in any way? Looking at it from an outside perspective, there seems to something deeper going on than just hating women like alot of people claim. The progressives/ SJWs seem to be more interested in milking Zoe, Anita or Brianna dry than actually talk about the journalspro list, the “Gamers are Dead” articles, certain developers and publishers for some reason unable to speak up about the matter weather they’re for GG or not, gaming sites disclosing their ethics policies due to GG blowing up, the HBB mess at that con in Canada and this is just a few things ive listed.

        From the looks of it it seems that the progressives have been pushing their narrative outside of the gaming medium, specifically reaching towards the mainstream who are on the unknown in gaming. Why do you think mainstream news are quick giving them a platform, but most wont give GG the time of day to present their arguments? For even threat tweet made claimed to be by GG, im certain its not hard to find one of the opposition doing the same. The worst part of all this is that this crap could of easily been blown over if the journalist and developers/publishers in question would of just owned up to their mistakes instead of creating discrimination towards gamers and the medium as a whole to hide behind.

  • Matthew Long

    gotta love it when 8chan comes out of it’s shell to give the rest of the world their 2c. Truly, you twits aren’t doing reforming game journalism any favors by being here. Well, existing would be more APPROPRIATE. *happy aguyuno????*

    • aguyuno

      I want to upvote you, but your misuse of apropos just makes me so mad…

      • Matthew Long

        sheesh!

        • aguyuno

          I’m sorry! It’s just SUCH a pet peeve of mine xD. It doesn’t mean appropriate, jeeeeeeeez

  • Kav P

    So far I count 4 GamerGoats posting in here over and over, insisting that “it’s not even about Zoe Quinn” and “we’re not a mob”.

    There needs to be a new law: any article talking about how shit GamerGate is is proven to be true in the comments. You don’t even need to try. They do it to themselves. All I do is facilitate. :’)

    • aguyuno

      Literally just write an article titled “Gamergate is shit” and then the entire article is:

      “”

      • aguyuno

        lmfao@the site automatically converting that to html. Whatevs.

        • Matthew Long

          wait tell me how that happened. that might be a bug that i can fix!

          • aguyuno

            I just wrote in hardbrackets “see comments for references”. And it did all that; automatically added the = and the “” stuff

          • Matthew Long

            [see comments for references]

          • Matthew Long

            hmm

          • aguyuno

            WOOPS. Sorry. Not hardbrackets; arrow brackets

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            WHOA

          • aguyuno

            Yuuuuuup

          • aguyuno

            If you’re fixing glitches though, I can’t go to profiles of people with Disqus usernames that are more than one word long; the link doesn’t load properly. For example:

            https://disqus.com/by/Matthew%20Long/

          • Matthew Long

            stop it, you’re wiggling my brain!

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            blah

          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long
          • Matthew Long

            sorry for spamming you, I don’t know where else to recreate it.

          • aguyuno

            No worries. Do what you gotta do.

    • Jimus Russs

      The saddest thing is the irrational fear that anti gamers seem to have. You spill your spaghetti and expect people to just ignore it. I guess it would be victim blaming (somehow) to say you were asking for it.

      • Matthew Long

        how can I be an anti-gamer if I am a gamer myself???!?!?!

        • Jimus Russs

          By taking actions against the greater health of the industry and community. If you don’t understand how that works after having this much time to educate yourself, you can be safely be written off as a useful idiot in the anti gamer ranks.

          • Kav P

            Destroy all veedyuh

            Praise Anita

          • Matthew Long

            oh for sure, man. gimme a ring when GG gets positive press from a place that isn’t Reaxxion or whatever dipshit blog you pass off as evidence.

          • aguyuno

            My favourite is how often they tout out the like, 3 tiny “rule changes” in kotaku etc as if it’s somehow proof they’ve accomplished jack shit.

          • Matthew Long

            Which is super hilarious because it’s not substantive change – they believe it, even if they are being paid lip-service.

          • aguyuno

            Oh I know. I’ve tried explaining to them that collusion and shit was _already against their rules_, so changing it won’t actually do anything if they’re just gonna break it anyway. Alas, they didn’t get it.

          • Kav P

            What about the Youtubes? :'(

          • Jimus Russs

            Gimme a ring when any of these anti gamer sources are reputable. Kotaku, Polygon, Gamasutra? Amanda fuckin’ Marcotte and Manboobz? A handful of professional victims? And yes, they are professional victims. That is literally how they pay the rent.

          • Inner Partisan

            You don’t know what Gamasutra is. FUCKING GAMASUTRA.
            Yet *we* are the “anti-gamers”, huh?

          • Kav P

            You keep saying the word “anti gamer”.

            I really like it.

          • Jimus Russs

            I know you like it, you dirty girl.

          • Matthew Long

            Literally!

          • Matthew Long

            Anyways, I wasn’t specifically talking about game journo outfits, brah.

          • Jimus Russs

            I don’t really care about what non gaming news has to say about it. Or do you consider the mainstream to be a reliable source on anything gaming related?

          • Matthew Long

            Oop, sounds like we are only one step removed from Alex Jones-style conspiratorial talk! Redpill! Redpill alert!

          • Jimus Russs

            Yep, sure thing dude. You go ahead and put stock in the same places that freaked out over Mass Effect, GTA, rock music, and any number of other things.

          • Matthew Long

            Wait, what’s this about Mass Effect?

          • Jimus Russs

            Haha, see ya dude. This is pretty emblematic of how the anti gamer side doesn’t keep up with the facts.

          • Matthew Long

            *facts* ok brah. Answer my question, I wants to know :^)

          • Jimus Russs

            Fox freaked out over ME being a “sex simulator.” It used to be the right that flipped over this shit, now it is the left.

          • Matthew Long

            Fox news is “lefty” to you?

          • Matthew Long

            Fox is a lefty outfit?

          • Joseph T.

            Ah, Amanda Marcotte. Has she apologized to the Duke Lacrosse team yet?

      • Kav P

        The saddest thing is the irrational fear that “anti gamers” are a thing.

        No it’s not that’s fucking hilarious

        • Jimus Russs

          Well shit dude, one can only judge what one sees. Don’t blame me.

          • Kav P

            Blame the “anti gamers”, right? :’)

          • Jimus Russs

            Right.

      • Inner Partisan

        “anti gamers”

        It’s true. We totally hate video games. BURN ALL VIDYA!

        • Kav P

          Hail Anita

          • Matthew Long

            HAIL ANITA!

        • Jimus Russs

          Hey, I can only judge by the actions displayed.

        • Mike Yocom

          I shall sacrifice a freeze peach pickled in gamer tears in the Temple of the Trinity of the Literally Who at once!

      • Cat Reid

        OLIVER CAMPBELL, IS THAT YOU?

    • Jimmy Russells

      So far you’ve responded to almost every GamerGate commenter in this article.

      Why are you so mad about people doing the same as you’re doing? Own it up, hon. Nothing wrong with wanting attention.

      • Matthew Long

        naw bro when we engage you, we just make it easier for strangers to the topic to see how awful GG is just by looking at your conspiracy theories that come out of it.

        • Jimmy Russells

          It’s hilarious watching you try and be the bigger man when you’re shitposting for the sake of it.

          Truly, you are the enlightened here, good sir.

          • Matthew Long

            Thanks, brah!

          • Jimmy Russells

            Tip that fedora harder, mate!

          • Kav P

            M’lady

        • Kav P

          I love watching them spill out.

        • Live the dream

          gamergate is by a neferious group from 4chan who are trying rid the games industry of women. This is a conspiracy theory.

          • Kav P

            That’s totally the narrative the mainstream media are pushing

          • Matthew Long

            *nefarious

  • iain davis

    zoe (crippling helldump addiction ) quinn ? savior of the triggered on twitter! you couldn’t make this stuff up, except you do.

    • aguyuno

      Let this be a lesson, folks: Remember to sign off all your sarcasm with /s, less GamerGate play stupid af and misunderstand.

  • throwaway66
    • aguyuno

      OH WELL THIS SETTLES IT. THROW AWAY OUR WEAPONS GUYS, SOMEONE POSTED A BUNCH OF UNVERIFIABLE CONVERSATION PIECES.

      • throwaway66

        An actual reporter could contact this source, but I guess that would be too much trouble.

        • aguyuno

          Yes, if only those pesky reporters would contact every asshole on the planet claiming to have a Zoe story. Damn!

          • Jimmy Russells

            But what are those, screencaps of Zoe’s emails?

            Naaaaaah.

          • GP

            the ones that have no names and have been completely redacted?

      • Jimmy Russells

        I thought you guys listened and believed? :^)

        Check your privilege, sir.

    • aguyuno

      God, anecdotes always WERE my bane!

  • Faggory Daggory Doo!

    this article is nothis but biased bullshit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz–i3M4PVk

    • aguyuno

      He says, linking to yet more “biased bullshit”.

      Go home.

    • Inner Partisan

      Reality has a well-known Anti-GamerGate bias.

      • Kav P

        I love you.

    • Kav P

      Best post ever. :’)

  • throwaway66

    http://i.imgur.com/A03hcU8.jpg

    Remember when she “fled” her home.

    • Kav P

      Remember when anyone cared about anything you said?

      Me neither, throwaway66.

    • Inner Partisan

      I do. She fled her home in August, and went to Europe in October.
      So, your point being?

    • aguyuno

      It’s almost like she’s trying to put a positive spin on things! The NERVE of her.

      • Kav P

        People who have fled their home can NEVER BE ALLOWED TO EXPRESS JOY AT MAKING THE MOST OF A SHIT DEAL

        • aguyuno

          It’s like the fucking assholes who get mad when someone on foodstamps has a nice tv. “YO I THOUGHT YOU WERE POOR, POOR PEOPLE CAN’T HAVE GOOD STUFF EVER WHAT”

        • Jimmy Russells

          When I feel threatened by mean tweets, I go to Europe. It’s just pocket change, you know? :^)

          • Live the dream

            thing is the plans to travel to europe was before the zoe post. She wasn’t being harassed at that point.

          • Jezzer

            Did you just totally skip the part of the article where her boyfriend had a job offer in France, and that was why they were planning to move there?

      • Live the dream

        positive spin… that tweet was before the zoe post. She was literally NOT BEING HARASSED AT THAT POINT.

    • Jimmy Russells

      Careful, man. This is literally harassment and a conspiracy theory.

      • throwaway66

        >man

        Don’t misgender me! I’m so triggered right now.

        • Casey Snow

          Wow. You are the first person to ever come up with that joke. I mean, god, I had never thought of talking about misgendering and triggering in a flippant, condescending manner before. GENIUS! ORIGINALITY! YOU GET A STAR!
          https://cbsmancave.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/you-tried.gif

          • Kav P

            I love you, Casey.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So mad.

          • Casey Snow

            LOL. The #1 hits just keep coming. OH! OH! Next do “salty!” I love that one.

          • Jimmy Russells

            So triggered.

          • Inner Partisan

            So boring.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Yawn.

          • Inner Partisan

            Exactly.

          • Kav P

            See, you’re even putting YOURSELF to sleep now.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Fart.

          • Kav P

            You’re learning to say what you mean. I like that.

    • Jezzer

      Yeah, one post was about moving to France as part of a job offer for her new boyfriend — a job offer Gamergoats harassed until it disappeared. The other was about being threatened until she moved. Totes the same thing.

      • Cat Reid

        Gamergate will try and spin any bit of misinformation in a way to dehumanize and dismiss their victims.

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      Yawn.

      • Jimmy Russells

        Fart.

    • aguyuno

      >posts link from gamergate wiki
      >IT’S NOT BIASED I SWEAR

      • Live the dream

        yes those sources backing up what they say is totally silly.

        • Casey Snow

          Only gamergate-approved sources. Selective sources. I really don’t think gamergaters’ know what the word “bias” means.

    • Inner Partisan
      • Live the dream

        Why do people use rational wiki but still attempt to redefine racism and sexism?

        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

        • Kav P

          You realise that’s not a “debunking” of prejudice and power, right? Oh my God. :’)

          • aguyuno

            I will point out that rationalwiki discusses that it’s ridiculous to say any of the definitions of racism are “wrong”. Which is what she should’ve linked to, lmfao.

          • Kav P

            I agree, although I still don’t consider that a “debunking”, just a point about the necessity of sociocultural context when using definitions. Which again, doesn’t really preclude such definitions. :)

          • aguyuno

            Oh no, I know. I actually totally agree with what they wrote about that. Goes back to your points about critical thinking.

          • Kav P

            My favourite topic of conversation! <3

            Well, besides bunnies…

          • aguyuno

            Bunnies are evil. Cute af, but literal world destroyers.

          • Kav P

            Like meeeee

          • aguyuno

            Hahahaha, too true.

          • Perico Palotes

            you two, stop selfellating each other, it’s annoying.

          • Live the dream

            No its pointing out people who use that definiton on individuals are pretentious morons. Even in academia they don’t even use that definiton a lot. Saying an individual person can’t be racist using the prejduce + power is meaningless when applied to say twitter.

          • Kav P

            I don’t see anywhere that says that. Care to quote the exact part?

          • Live the dream

            “It is important to note that, whether you agree or disagree with the
            definition, words can have many meanings. The use of racism to mean
            “prejudice plus power” by however many academics does not disqualify
            other definitions of the term”

            Did you not notice the use of ” social justice… enthusiasts.” So many conversations with such enthusiasts have them demanding i use this definition even when its clearly inappropriate.

          • Kav P

            I did. And I’m still not sure what your point is? :)

          • Live the dream

            My point is that there seems to be a group of people who disagree with gamergate who will sources like rational wiki and yet seem determined to use academic langauge specific to one area of sociology to say that individuals can’t be racist because they are not white. When clearly its a silly position to have. It just seems hypocritical…

          • Kav P

            You realise that it works in a sociological perspective, right?

            It doesn’t really have anything to do with GamerGate given that allegedly GamerGate is about ethics in games journalism and not about ideologies, right?

            Still don’t see your point?

          • Live the dream

            Yeah but people are using it on an individual level. For instance there is a person who is vocal about gamergate and is a person of color. He also says horrible things about white people that I think are racist. But everyone seems to use this definiton to show that the individual is not racist he can’t be ebecause he is a “poc” as you say. That is the hypocracy. He is racist but he isn’t because of this ivory tower definiton that has no reason to be applied to indivuduals on twitter.

          • Kav P

            It’s not because he’s a person of colour, it’s because he’s saying things about white people. That’s prejudice. That’s not racism.

            If a white person said something about white people it would also be prejudice, not racism.

          • Live the dream

            Its racism i just gave you rational wiki link. It has nothing to do with the ivory tower definition. According to the dictionary he is racist. That definition is the appropirate one to use on an individual.

  • throwaway66

    Here’s the video that Quinn tried to get YouTube to delete by filing a false DMCA takedown notice.

    • Matthew Long

      ahahahahaha Mundane Matt! Haaaaa dear god….

    • Kav P

      Stop farting, throwaway66.

    • Casey Snow

      And now it appears that we’ve entered the “WATCH MUH VIDEO!” portion required of every good gamergater’s offense.

      • aguyuno

        I’m surprised it took them this long!

        • Casey Snow

          Thunderf00t vids imminent…

  • Faggory Daggory Doo!

    Remember everyone but Zoe Quinn(Crippling hell dump addiction) is a privleged cisshit harrasher, FYI Helldunp is a site where you try and get people to kill themselves.

  • Ceara

    A poorly-researched, lie-filled hit piece of epic proportions.

    • Inner Partisan

      A poorly-worded, obviously pre-fabricated throwaway comment of rather meager proportions.

      • Ceara

        And yet you responded to my “obviously pre-fabricated throwaway comment.”

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      “Unbiased breakdown” = “Know Your Meme”

      Oh my stars just go away :’)

      • Casey Snow

        It’s pretty much the only thing written at their reading-level.

    • Inner Partisan

      Man, you’re on a fucking roll here, kiddo! All that’s missing are some links to ED, and I’ve got Bingo!

      • throwaway66

        Its a sad state of affairs when ED is more credible than Boston Magazine.

        • Kav P

          It’s certainly very telling, isn’t it? Huh.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I thought you were going to sleep.

          • Kav P

            YOU’RE NOT MY MUM

          • Jimmy Russells

            No, I’m not as disappointed.

          • Kav P

            OH SNAP

          • aguyuno

            >Literally stalking your twitter now.

            Yeah Jimmy, you’re not mad at all bb.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >stalking a public Twitter account

            :^)

          • aguyuno

            …Are you, like, actually idiotic? Or do you just play one on tv?

            You went to her twitter because you’re mad. The end. Damn, son.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Not as mad as Kav who can’t help but inject herself in drama to own butthurt gamers.

          • aguyuno

            Riiiiiiiiight.

          • aguyuno

            But still mad, I notice.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m sure you can circlejerk all over her timeline once she wakes up.

          • aguyuno

            >Thinking a circle can be made with only two people

          • Jimmy Russells

            You’re right. Spitroasting or eiffel towering her would be more appropriate.

          • aguyuno

            …Two things that _also_ can’t be done with two people.

            Seriously, dude. Are you ill?

          • Jimmy Russells

            I’m including her in the package, don’t worry.

            You need to learn how to read, dude.

          • aguyuno

            I don’t…

            Who do you think this third person is going to be?

          • Jimmy Russells

            Any of the white knights defending Zoe and Kav, of course.

          • aguyuno

            Right, except you were only talking to me, and said I was going to be the one doing it.

            It’s alright. I’ll accept your rampant stupidity as an excuse.

          • Kav P

            > Find out commenter is female
            > Proceed to make sexist comments about “damseling” commenter
            > Think this doesn’t make you look shit and helps you “win”

            lmao

          • Kav P

            I’m right here, honky.

          • Jimmy Russells

            >she thinks I’m white

            Check that privilege.

          • Kav P

            I just like the word “honky”. Are you… are you a racist? What are you implying

          • Jimmy Russells

            Don’t backpedal that hard, you’re gonna fall.

          • Kav P

            You honestly don’t understand how sarcasm works, do you? Oh my fucking God never change

          • aguyuno

            The dude thinks he can win arguments by being an edgelord who objectifies women. Expecting anything above 3rd grade intelligence from him is too optimistic.

          • Jimmy Russells

            And here I thought you guys could handle the banter. Whatever happened to owning me? Did I trigger you too hard?

          • Jimmy Russells

            You didn’t check your privilege, though!

          • Kav P

            Totally owning them.

            I’m such a great anti gamer.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Go to bed.

          • Kav P

            NO U

        • Matthew Long

          yea ED has such a stellar reputation among professional journalists everywhere.

      • aguyuno

        I’ve actually used ED a couple times because once you sort out all the sheer rage their writers hold, you can come to your own conclusions.

        For example, it’s how I learned EgoRaptor was anti-GamerGate.

    • Cat Reid

      “KnowYourMeme, ED and Breitbart agree with me!”
      oh wow…

    • Kes

      Unbiased?

      • J Ryan

        It’s just another word GGers don’t understand. they think unbiased means “agreeing with us on everything”, just like ethical journalism means “blindly spreading and reporting every shitty rumour that comes farting out of the various chan communities”.

  • Jezzer

    The best part of this is that the Gamergators won’t be able to resist flooding the comments and inadvertently reinforcing everything in the article.

    • Jimmy Russells

      I’m sure shitposting will bring more validity to this article.

      • Jezzer

        See?

        • aguyuno

          The GG train is never off schedule.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Literally triggered you.

          • Kav P

            A GamerGoat is never late, Aguyuno. Nor are they early.

            They arrive PRECISELY when they mean to.

          • Casey Snow

            Mussolini (/pol) keeps the GG train running on time.

      • Matthew Long

        PLEASE JUST KEEP TALKING! DON’T EVER STOP!

    • aguyuno

      Yuuuuuuuuuup

    • Kav P

      I mentioned that too. <3

  • throwaway66
    • Kav P

      Yawn.

      • Matthew Long

        hey kav check your twitter. apparently you’ve possibly have met one of my friends in Beunos Aires.

        • Kav P

          Bloody Hell, you know Pablo? He’s my Buenos Aires bestie <3

    • Matthew Long

      “but it’s not about zoe!”

      • Jimmy Russells

        This article isn’t about Zoe?

        • Live the dream

          You see since we don’t focus on zoe much we then can’t talk about unethical jounralism that features zoe. Because pointing out said unethical behaviour would be proof of harassment somehow.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Fart.

          • Kav P

            Stop talking about Zoe

            Gosh

            Based on all your comments trying to say the opposite, you all seem obsessed or something. It’s weird.

          • Jimmy Russells

            Stop talking about Zoe on a Zoe Quinn article, shitlord!

            When are you going to shill your Patreon account? After you go to sleep?

          • Kav P

            If GamerGate isn’t even about Zoe Quinn then you probably shouldn’t be here farting

          • Jimmy Russells

            But this article is about Zoe Quinn. I’m talking about Zoe Quinn, and GG happens to be one of the topics related to her.

          • Kav P

            But GG isn’t even about Zoe Quinn omg

          • Jimmy Russells

            But it’s related to Zoe Quinn, omg

          • Kav P

            But it’s not even, omg

          • Jimmy Russells

            Then why does she keep bringing it up, omg

            Or for that matter, this article. Or you.

            omg

          • Kav P

            Because I’m not a GG supporter and I can do wtf I want without it reflecting badly on my group of children who think they’re in Army.

          • Jimmy Russells

            I can do whatever I want, too. My country may be shit but I’m still free.

            Why are you so grumpy, though? You really need that nap.

          • Kav P

            8D

          • Live the dream

            Its weird to comment about zoe on an article that interviewed zoe?

        • Matthew Long

          GG isn’t about Zoe, yet they feel the court affidavit is totes legit topic to do a medium post on.

          • Live the dream

            An article about zoe that is unethical and doesn’t mention the fact that she has lied isn’t about ethical jounralism?

          • Jimmy Russells

            But this article is about Zoe, so it’s only fair to bring the Medium article up as well.

  • throwaway66

    Zach, you’re welcome. I did all the research you didn’t have time for. Or maybe you’re just hoping that Rolling Stone has an opening.

    • Jimmy Russells

      Gang rape is such a hot topic these days, too.

      He’s hoping for that clickbait dream job.

    • Inner Partisan

      Your research is making Alex Jones all jelly.

    • Casey Snow

      And maybe one day you can aspire to leave COMMENTS on a Rolling Stone article! Dream big, throwaway, dream big!

  • aguyuno

    No more Kav makes this place kind of boring, tbh. Plus, only so many times I can respond to the same brand of stupidity.

    Peace all you honkies.

    • Casey Snow

      Yup. See ya, kids. You can all pat yourselves on the back with “WE’RE WINNING!” after boring your opponents away.

  • Bobby

    EPIC FAIL.

    Another attempt to tell the GamerGate story. Another hit piece full of lies.

    How did a movement that isn’t about ethics in games journalism manage to reform ethics in games journalism?

    Journalists that have changed their policies
    IGN
    The Escapist
    Eurogamer
    PC Gamer
    The Verge

    Journalists who refused
    Kotaku is in ashes. Rock Paper Shotgun is breathing it’s last breath. Polygon will not survive. Gamasutra shows a MASSIVE traffic drop at Alexa.

    Meanwhile, $70,000 raised in donations for women developers thanks to the men & women of GamerGate
    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-fine-young-capitalists–2

    A few trolls using the #GamerGate hashtag on twitter aren’t representative of the entire movement. We have 50,000+ on our side. 99.9% of which are not trolls.

    • Sepko

      You do realise how much you sound like like 9/11 Truthers/Obama Birthers/Creationists right?

      • Michael Lindsay

        With a bit of Scientology thrown in for good measure, ostracise those suppressive persons-the SJWs and feminists threw all the good old games with gore and boobies into a volcano doncha know.

      • http://legendsmith.net LegendsmithAU

        Only because you maintain your own ignorance and don’t check what Bobby here is saying. All of those things? You can check. They are falsifiable, unlike young earthers who will say that the dinosaur bones are there to confuse you, unlike the truthers who will ascribe anything contrary to another conspiracy.
        You can go and check those facts. They happened.
        But you’re already deciding to dismiss it as another conspiracy, in spite of the evidence staring you in the face to the contrary.

        • Sepko

          GG got 5 gaming publications out of god knows how many to add an extra sentence for “ethics” and totally not because of honky-baby-gamerboy tantrums.

          GG gloats about “destroying” publications that are inexplicably still around despite said honky-baby-gamerboy tantrums.

          GG gloating about about their charity work looks disingenuous as shit.

          Also it’s pretty fukken laughable at worst to think you lot are anything more than a thousand honky-baby-gamerboys.

          • Bobby

            Nearly 50,000 signed the petition to block Anita from working with EA (yes it was a rumor but proves GG’s enormous following)
            http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/12/ea-replied-fan-petition-remove-anita-sarkeesian-mirrors-edge-2-game-development/

            Interesting try at dismissing everything GG has accomplished but your argument is just insult and opinion. Nothing more.

          • Sepko

            I thought Gamergate wasn’t about feminism, eh? Or is the honky-baby-gamerboy paranoia seeping in again?

          • Bobby

            GG started about ethics. When the SJWs attacked us, we went on the offensive against them too.

            Seriously, is it that hard to connect the dots on that one?

          • Sepko

            I do so love the “talk shit get hit” barbarism that plagues the gamergate philosophy.

          • Matthew Long
          • Craig Brooks

            Really…50,000 is enormous? You know that’s less than 1% of people that game, right? By that standard, your “voice” is as meaningful as a fart in a hurricane.

          • Bobby

            50k isn’t the upper limit. I never got to sign it myself as many others didn’t either.

            The point is GG is tremendously bigger than aGG because, yes most people don’t care or even know about GG or aGG.

          • Craig Brooks

            Wow…delusion.
            aGG is anyone opposed to GG by definition. If you honestly think there are only 50k opposed to the BS you guys have pulled, you are living in lala land.

            I also don’t count a Change.org count as a definitive, since GG has shown time and again that they’ll make sock puppet/fake accounts to serve their purposes. Hell, I can go right now and make 5 gmail accounts, I must be 5 different people? Please.

            But hey, you guys keep believing in your own self-importance and overlooking/denying all the harm people cause in your group’s name. Ignore all the bullying, harassment, threats, Swattings, Doxxings, etc done by people counting themselves part of GG. It’s your standard MO.

          • Bobby

            You realize that most gamers do not care either way about GG right? The vast majority are neutral.

            I would pay money to have them hear both sides though as they would undoubtedly want ethics in journalism and SJW B.S. out of their games.

            Also, I said 50k+ represents GG not aGG. You misread what I said.

            Dying to hear why you feel aGG is sooooooo much bigger though?

          • Bobby

            We don’t ignore any of the bullying. Only your side ignores the bullying, harassment, and doxxing of pro-GG’ers. We actively denounce it. All. The. Time.

    • Matthew Long

      yes, because bragging about charity donations as a way to supposedly disprove something is totally a way to win the publics heart.

      • Bobby

        Love how you ignored the ethics in journalism that have been changed but cherry picked the charity

        • Matthew Long

          oh I can touch on those, too. Would you like me to, bobby?

        • Sepko

          Well seeing as Kotaku is still runnin, RPS isn’t going anywhere, Polygon will probably outlive us all and Gamasutra was never for gamers anyway, that whole “ethics” part is a whole crock of bullshit really.

          • Bobby

            Didn’t say any of them disappeared. Just that they’re declining.

            Ethics in IGN, The Escapist, Eurogamer, PC Gamer, The Verge changed because of GG. So no not a crock of BS really.

          • Sepko

            “Declining in viewership according to my trusty tinfoil”

          • Bobby

            Are you tired of being wrong yet? :)

            GamaSutra
            http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamasutra.com

          • Sepko

            Why is this only showing only four months worth of data? Is it to justify your hilarious narrative?

          • Sepko

            Where’s the year’s worth of data? Two years worth of data? How do we know this isn’t just a cycle? Is it because it looks better if you just shove this one link to everyone to show how “right” you are?

          • Matthew Long

            How do you know they changed? They had a few words laid out regarding ethics. Are you really that gullible?

          • Bobby

            Time will tell. We will be watching and calling out any shady BS as in the past.

          • Sepko

            “Can’t have too much cooties or queer shit in my games now can we?”

          • Bobby

            Actually, GG is a diverse group and one of our most vocal leaders is gay. We are INCLUSIVE. We think ALL developers should have free artistic expression free from SJW ideology.

            It’s the SJWs who want to exclude and limit games.

            Do you really think Mario is sexist because he rescues the princess? SJWs think so.

    • Cat Reid

      Conversations about ethics happen DESPITE gamergate, not because of it. Responsible adults have been having ongoing convos long before GG, and it was the whiny manbaby tantrum of GG that shut down the discussions for months.
      GG claiming any gains is ridiculous and pathetic.

      • Bobby

        Yes I’m sure the fact that the changes happened while GG was fighting for them was merely coincidence.

        • Cat Reid

          Literally the conversations on ethics shut down because of your harassment campaign, then we were able to mostly ignore you and continue. GG is desperate for any little bit of propaganda to avoid looking in to the mirror and seeing itself as a monster.

          • Bobby

            Your opinion doesn’t refute a single thing I said. Ethics were fought for and changed. Period.

          • Sepko

            “We made five websites add a sentence! Look how amazing we are!”

          • Bobby

            So you admit we got them to change their policies? Wow, finally someone not blinded by hate.

            Why write a whole paragraph of changes when it can be done in a sentence?

          • Sepko

            Never said you did, dudebro, only that you claimed you did.
            Nice to see the gater reading comprehension still as great as ever.

          • Bobby

            “We made five websites add a sentence!” – You mocking us 2 posts up. Again, why does it matter that it was only a sentence that they changed?

          • Sepko

            Why does it matter that you believe you had literally anything to do with it?

          • Bobby

            So GG fights for ethics changes at certain websites. Those changes happen.

            Your conclusion: They changed by mere coincidence.

            Ok buddy. I hope you never end up on a jury.

          • Sepko

            I’d fare better with brain damage than any gater ever dreamed they could.

          • Cat Reid

            Gamergate is the akin to yelling at the moon to go away and then claiming victory when the sun rises. GOOD JOB! WINNING!

          • Dragon_2

            Remember when one person wrote one article about the metal scene not always being nice; and then GG jumped on it and proclaimed ‘#MetalGate’ an attempt by pernicious SJWs to DESTROY the metal community.

            When no one (and I do mean no one) took the bait, they proclaimed victory against the evil SJW campaign that never existed.

          • throwaway66

            Sorry, exposing corruption isn’t “harassment.”

          • Sepko

            Calling someone an attention whore/spreading their personal information online isn’t “exposing corruption”

      • throwaway66

        You might be surprised to find out that GameJournoPros collusion was uncovered because of GamerGate, not in spite of it.

        • Sepko

          “THESE GUYS TALK TO EACH OTHER. COLLUSION”
          – Literally GJP

        • J Ryan

          There’s no proof within the GJP ‘expose’ of any collusion, if there was Milo* would have been screaming it from the rooftops. instead he basically said “OMG DESE GUYZ TALK TO EACH OTHER OMG!$%^&*!!!!”

          These might come as a shock but most industries have some form of mailing list, breitbart journalists are on a few of them. When you grow up and enter the real world you’ll realise that folk working in the same industry talk to each other, it’s basic human itneraction. Don’t worry you might experience it one day.

          *the same Milo who blamed gamers for Elliot Rodgers, who called gamers child rapists and sad people sitting in their parents basement in yellow underwear… things much worse than Alexander and the others ever said.

        • Cat Reid

          Literally zero ethical journalists who examined that leaked dump found anything relevant or scandalous. Zero.
          It was entirely a non-issue and the fact GG got all hyped about it was just another embarrassment for GG…

    • Mopati

      I don’t understand… If the name “Gamer Gate” have such a bad reputation, why not change your name ?
      Let the trolls keep this name, and change yours.
      No more bad reputation !

      (That is, no more bad reputation if you do good things. I don’t really believe in your innocence.
      Let see the future facts. I will believe you when people who will change theur policies will say it’s thanks to you.)

      • Bobby

        You make a fair point Mopati but the trolls represent a fraction of GG and there are trolls on BOTH sides (of course we admit this but aGG won’t).

        Why let trolls dictate the other 99% of us?

        • Matthew Long

          So….what statistic are you grabbing this “%99.9 of GG aren’t trolls” from?

          • Sepko

            #notallgamergaters

          • Bobby

            Please, find all the hateful comments by anyone who is actually verifiably from GG.

            You do realize YOU could go create a fake twitter account right now and tweet hateful messages using the #GamerGate hashtag right?

            I fully admit there are trolls on BOTH sides but they are the minority. Most are reasonable people who firmly believe their side is right.

          • Sepko

            (one side doesn’t feed off the bullshit the “trolls” give them though, dudebro)

          • Matthew Long

            how is one “verifiably” from GG? You mean someone like rogue star?

        • Mopati

          Why ? Because these “trolls” are those who give you your bad reputation…
          You should “hunt” them first, as they destruct what you’re trying to do.

          Your reputation is really important, and not only they destruct what you’re trying to do, but they make you seem like the bad guys.

          I think they are the priority over anything else for now, even if they are the 1% GG people.

          • Bobby

            You’re right. We have denounced them at every turn and separated ourselves from them by saying we are totally not cool with any form of harassment or name calling but it’s obviously not enough.

            The biggest problem is the media is so biased against us that they highlight every single troll tweet and attempt to link it to the ENTIRE movement. It’s like saying all Muslims are terrorists because a few happen to be. Sheer ignorance.

          • Sepko

            Seeing as you most definitely applaud Slade, Milo, Baldwin, among others I’m gonna say your “denouncement” is quite bullshit.

          • Bobby

            HAHAHAHAHA those people aren’t trolls. Wow you are seriously grasping at straws. You got absolutely nothing. Aren’t you tired of getting shot down?

          • Sepko

            Slade doxxes and ban evades like nobody’s business, Milo is as unethical a “journalist” as one can get, and Baldwin started the gamergate name with a Five Guys video, soooooooo

          • J Ryan

            You seriously don’t think Roguestar is a troll? That’s all he does, well that and beg for money to port his incomplete and overdue game to the PS4.

            Also what about Adam “Prove Obama doesn’t want to infect the US with Ebola’ Baldwin? He sure comes across as a troll to me.

          • Mopati

            Yes, and that’s (maybe) right, and that’s just why I talked about choosing a new name!

            You could discard your reputation by doing that, it’s worth trying, at least.

          • Sepko

            About 8 months too late really but oh well.
            There’re far more reputable/respectable people talking about ethics outside of GG anyway.
            LE GASP, PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF GG TALKING ETHICS? SORCERY!

          • Mopati

            … Sorry, but you’re not helping by yelling at people. ^^’
            You now you will not change anything by doing that, if there are like you say, they will not change with that.
            Let’s try making things better, instead of yelling at everything because they are bad.

            … Maybe you won’t succeed, but it’s worth a try.

          • Sepko

            They’ve had over 8 months, they’re not changing, the best you can do for this lot is point and laugh vigorously.

          • Mopati

            I’m not defending them. I think they are bad too. I just hope they aren’t.

            But let’s just say that we should not give up. ^^’

          • Sepko

            You’re either super patient or super naive and I’m hoping for the former.

          • Bobby

            I’ll see what others think about that. Thank you. It’s been nice talking to you about this. :)

          • Mopati

            Wow. This talk was a lot nicer than I expected. ^^’

            I hope that things will go well, goodbye !

      • Craig Brooks

        That’s been suggested to them since August last year. They won’t because they’re not an “organized” group and refuse to be, instead using that very excuse to allow deniability for any action done in the name of the group that makes the group look bad.

        • Bobby

          Should Muslims change their name because a minority of them are terrorists?

          • Sepko

            (gamergate isn’t a religion and equating your hate mob to one couldn’t be more freakin creepy)

          • Sepko

            Also Islam in its many forms at least have leadership for godsakes

          • Craig Brooks

            So you guys are a religion now?
            Last I checked, even religions has some organization to them.

          • Bobby

            What??? Did I say we’re a religion? No. I made the point that a group shouldn’t change its name because of a few rotten eggs.

            The principle is the same regardless of what kind of group we are talking about.

          • Craig Brooks

            No actually it isn’t. Religions are organized groups with structure and defined leadership. That allows the larger group to deny and denounce the actions of radical fringe trying to do things in the name of the group. GG does not have that structure or leadership. That directly PREVENTS them from credibly denying when people do things that they don’t want to be blamed for.

            And no, you didn’t say you’re a religion, but you’re comparing directly to one. The only way such a comparison would work is if you were. You’d be better comparing to a group more along the lines of GG.

          • Sepko

            Stormfront, for example.
            Wait they have a leadership structure too, don’t they? Well, barely a semblence of one.

          • Craig Brooks

            Well, that’s the other thing. GG at this point has aligned with Stormfront, the MRA movement, etc. The allies/friends you keep tell volumes about your group.

          • Bobby

            No. I made the point that a group shouldn’t change its name because of a few rotten eggs. Period.

            You are beyond dense if you cannot grasp this simple analogy.

          • Craig Brooks

            Right, because hanging name and organizing would then require you to actually have to take responsibility and discipline those going out doing committing radical acts in the name of the group. I mean, why do that when you guys can just keep claiming whatever “wins” you want while disregarding the countless people targeted by GGers? And don’t bring up the Anti-harassment patrol. They’re a JOKE and even those in GG rip on them about doing even the minimum to be decent.

          • Dragon_2

            I don’t think you’re the one who should be calling people dense tbh :>

    • J Ryan

      “Kotaku is in ashes. Rock Paper Shotgun is breathing it’s last breath.
      Polygon will not survive. Gamasutra shows a MASSIVE traffic drop at
      Alexa”

      Seeing as you like Alexa let’s see what they show…

      Kotaku has fallen 73 places worlwide yet they’re stillg etting more views than they did last summer. Funny definition of ashes there Bobby http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com

      RockPaperShotgun has more visitors, and a higher rank, than they had last summer too. Funny definition of breathing its last breath http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/rockpapershotgun.com

      You’re right on gamasutra, which is a pity as it offers much better commentary than GG sites such as TechRaptor, reaxxion and the ralphretort (all of which have a much lower ranking and are much less popular than any of the sites you mentioned)

      also you are aware that Change petitions are idiculously easy to scam right? looking at twitter analytics shows that there’s much less than 50,000 active gators.

    • facefault

      >We have 50,000+ on our side.

      Even if every single GGer writes only one post on it per day, you have about 5,000 on your side.

      http://topsy.com/analytics?q1=%23gamergate%20-RT&via=Topsy

      This is a very generous assumption, of course, because most GGers I’ve seen post the tag dozens or hundreds of times per day. And it fails to count people who criticize GG by using the tag.

      Not even the most self-inflating metric GG has come up with – claiming that all subscribers to their board on Reddit are real people, support the movement, and are active members – gets you much above 30,000. (And there’s no reason to give this credence; we’ve all seen how much GG loves making sockpuppets).

      > 99.9% of which are not trolls.

      Maybe not from your perspective. From my non-GG perspective, it looks like about 80% troll.

      • Bobby

        Not every GG’er posts to twitter at all let alone every day. Terrible argument.

        Nearly 50,000 signed the petition to block Anita from working with EA on a mere rumor and that didn’t even count all of GG.

        Last time I checked, 48,000 down voted the ABC one sided hit piece interview with Anita. (update, now 49,000+)

        80% of Anita’s Time votes were for “No”.

        Where’s Anita’s support if you aGG’ers have such big numbers? Nowhere to be found.

        You Anti-GG’ers are a million times worse with your trolling. Check out #StopWebH8. It’s all SJWs and Anti-GG’ers trolling and spreading hate.

        If aGG is so big, and GG trolls so much where is all the hate? Where? You have nothing.

        Check out the comments here. Most of the insults being flung are from aGG people per usual.

        • facefault

          Wasn’t GG about ethics in games journalism? A petition to stop
          a game developer from talking to a non-journalist has nothing to do with that. And I don’t see any of the people signing that petition using the #gamergate hashtag. By GG’s own definition of who’s a member, there is no reason to believe the signers of this petition are members of GG.

          >Check out the comments here. Most of the insults being flung are from aGG people per usual.

          We seem to be reading different comments.

          • Bobby

            In the beginning, GG was about ethics in journalism (how do you think we got so many journalists to change their ethics policies?) but it’s now also about keeping games free from SJW nonsense. So it has 2 main objectives. The SJW part was adopted in retaliation for the way Anita relentlessly attacks games and the gaming industry.

            That’s ridiculous. Few outside of GG even knows who Anita is and those that do certainly wouldn’t petition against her given the way the liberal media has pandered to her and presented only her side of the story from day 1. GG sounded the call to arms and we got the petition going. I’m not shocked that you tried to dismiss a petition that large as it proves GG is bigger than you’d like to admit but it was a poor attempt.

            “We seem to be reading different comments.”
            The most incredible part of the aGG crowd isn’t that they dismiss facts and logic – it’s that they refuse to admit their own movement also contains trolls. For a side so obsessed with the minority of GG who troll, you’d think they’d be more in tune to their own trolling. Guess not.

            Check out #stopwebh8 or #gamergate and get back to me with how many hateful tweets you see from pro-GG’ers versus how many you see from anti-GG’ers and SJWs.

    • Dragon_2

      You are delusional

  • Cat Reid

    Conversations about ethics happen DESPITE gamergate, not because of it. Responsible adults have been having ongoing convos long before GG, and it was the whiny manbaby tantrum of GG that shut down the discussions for months.

    GG claiming any gains is ridiculous and pathetic.
    Thank goodness it is now just the fringe antifeminists that still use the gamergate tag, letting us easily know who to avoid online.

    • Bobby

      Yes I’m sure the fact that the changes happened while GamerGate was fighting for them was merely a coincidence.

      “Fringe antifeminists”?? You do realize 77% of women (not just GG women but ALL women) reject modern feminism right?

      • Sepko

        What magical orifice did you pull that bullshit statistic out of?

        • Bobby
          • Sepko

            Wait hang on, we’re going by an *internet* poll?

          • Bobby

            The poll is from Pew and validated by the ultra liberal Huffington Post. Try again.

            Eagerly awaiting your next try to squirm out of the fact that most Americans want no part of modern feminism.

          • Sepko

            And please by all your incorruptible gater wisdom, what is “modern feminism”?

          • Bobby

            If you don’t know the difference, then you shouldn’t be trying to discuss it. Go educate yourself.

            P.S. it has NOTHING to do with GG

          • Sepko

            Soooooo why are you talking about it?
            LE GASP, is it because gamergate has just been a anti-feminist pissbaby-fest this whole time?
            What a twist!

          • J Ryan

            Ok then… please tell me why a movement, or are you guys a consumer revolt these days, that’s supposedly about ethical game journalism spent so much more time going for Quinn than they did going for Grayson?

            Why did Felicia Day get attacked and doxxed simply for saying GG scares her?

            Why the hell do so many people involved with GG froth at the mouth at the mere mention of Anita Sarkeesian?

          • Bobby

            1) How did a movement that isn’t about ethics in games journalism manage to reform ethics in games journalism?

            Journalists that have changed their policies
            IGN
            The Escapist
            Eurogamer
            PC Gamer
            The Verge

            2) Because Grayson ran away and hid while ZQ tried to spin everything to make herself look like the victim and fought tooth and nail against the truth. Of course we fought back. What would you expect?

            3) Who in GG doxxed her? We don’t agree with doxxing or harassment of any kind from either side. Period.

            4) Anita criticized gamers and the industry which is fine but when her views were steadfastly rejected by the majority, she continued to force her ideology on us.

            85-90% of those who know Anita disagree with her views. She openly admits she isn’t a gamer and constantly gets facts wrong. She thinks Super Mario Bros is sexist because Mario has to rescue the princess. She thinks a woman sitting on the ground with her knees to the side is sexist. She claims the backlash is because of her gender while ignoring that Jack Thompson faced the EXACT same backlash (google him if you don’t know the story).

            All we gamers want is games to be free from SJW ideology. Devs should not have their artistic expression limited.

          • J Ryan

            “2) Because Grayson ran away and hid while ZQ tried to spin everything to
            make herself look like the victim and fought tooth and nail against the
            truth. Of course we fought back. What would you expect?”

            Grayson didn’t hide, he continued doing what he’s always done. Quinn thoguht back against GG because it was born out of the lies the Quinnspiracy spewed onto the internet. GG attacked her so she fought back., what do you expect her to do?

            “3) Who in GG doxxed her? We don’t agree with doxxing or harassment of any kind from either side. Period.”

            http://kotaku.com/felicia-day-and-gamergate-this-is-what-happens-now-1650544129 There you go. Now I know you’ll isntantly dismiss it but there it is.

            “4) Anita criticized gamers and the industry which is fine but when her
            views were steadfastly rejected by the majority, she continued to force
            her ideology on us.”

            How did she force her views on people? She makes vidoes and gives talks, neither of which are forcing her views on people. You guys are so insecure, any little criticism is censorship or forcing views.

            “She claims the backlash is because of her gender while ignoring that
            Jack Thompson faced the EXACT same backlash (google him if you don’t
            know the story)”

            Jack thompson actively tried to get games banned, Anita doesn’t. By the way i was around for the jack thompson insanity, many who oppose GG ahve been involved in the #hobby for decades, you guys do not speak for all gamers.

            “All we gamers want is games to be free from SJW ideology. Devs should not have their artistic expression limited.”

            I bet you don’t see the inherent copntradiction here- you want developers to be free to make what they want… unless they include politics you don’t like. Laughable.

            “85-90% of those who know Anita disagree with her views”

            Citation needed.

            “She thinks Super Mario Bros is sexist because Mario has to rescue the princess.”

            I want a link to her calling Super Mario Bros sexist, that’s a link to her, not mundanematt, thunderfoot or internetaristocrat. She discusses the use of the damsal in distress trope but in the videos I’ve seen i don’t recall her calling it sexist.

          • Bobby

            2) “Grayson ran away and hid” = he didn’t fight back like ZQ. You misunderstood me.

            3) From your own link: “some people posting in her comments section, one under the name “Gaimerg8,” doxxed her, sharing what they claimed was her home address”

            B.S…. YOU could’ve just as easily been “Gaimerg8”. I mean really? It’s too perfect. The name of the doxxer was GamerGate. Please.

            I will add, we do not agree with doxxing of any kind just as I am 100% positive you do not agree with the doxxing of the pro-GG’ers.

            The trolls on BOTH sides are horrible people.

            “How did she force her views on people?”

            This. Which scares the hell out of me. Teaching SJW nonsense in our classrooms. Ugh.
            http://www.adl.org/assets/pdf/education-outreach/is-gaming-a-boys-club.pdf

            Also, she continues to give talks spreading her SJW BS all over the place. It’s scary that some buy into it although she only speaks in echo chambers. I would give my left arm to see her debate Milo.

            It’s obvious she is on a crusade and is not stopping anytime soon. The media eats up her “women are victims” narrative as it fits in line with the BS they push on us.

            It’s not a contradiction. We don’t want developers to cave to her SJW nonsense. How many times have seen feminists impose their will on companies? Too many. Now if Anita wants to go start her own company and make SJW approved games then hey go nuts. Lord knows she’s made enough $$$ out of all of this.

            If you can’t see the obvious parallels between Anita and Jack, I don’t know what to tell ya. It’s plain as day. If Anita was a man, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Nobody would care that HE got harassed by trolls like Jack did.

            “Citation needed”
            -85% dislike ratio on her videos before she removed voting from them
            -85-90% dislike ratio on all videos with her in them (see ABC interview)
            -48,000+ dislikes on her ABC interview. At one time it was the 85th most disliked video in the entire history of YouTube.
            -80% said no in the Time poll

            She calls the “rescue the princess” trope sexist in Tropes vs. Women part 1. She then calls out Super Mario Bros among others.

          • Cat Reid

            This is GG, who think brigading a youtube’s thumb’s down somehow has an impact on reality…

          • Bobby

            Right, Pew isn’t a trusted source on polling data or anything.

          • Sepko

            And the internet has always been a truthful resource of infinite wisdom.

          • Bobby

            It is actually possible to obtain accurate polling data online. I do realize you have nothing else left except to argue that Pew’s online polls are untrustworthy or else you wouldn’t be trying such a poor and wholly ridiculous argument.

      • Cat Reid

        gamergate taking credit for any progress is laughable.
        And no, 77% of women aren’t antifeminists. But pretty much everyone in GG is…

        • Bobby

          Wrong again. Never said 77% of women are antifeminists. Read what I said.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/feminism-poll_n_3094917.html

          • Cat Reid

            Read what I said: Gamergate is united by it’s rampant antifeminism.

          • Bobby

            Read what I said. 80% of the country – 84% of men and 77% of women – reject modern Feminism. The majority of the country including GG is united against the SJWs who act hysterical and insane and ram their ideology down all our throats. People are sick of it.

          • Craig Brooks

            Not as sick of it as as GG and Baph. 😛

          • Bobby

            That’s all you got? Ok then. So you acknowledge the fact that most women and men reject modern feminism?

          • Craig Brooks

            I think they reject because they are unaware of what feminism actually is/means, thinking it is Misandry and not equality for all.

          • Bobby

            They reject because what feminism claims to do and what it actually does are completely different.

          • Calloway McSmithing

            All your article demonstrates is that people accept feminist ideas, but just don’t understand or like the label ‘feminist’. And no wonder, given the way people such as yourself choose to poison the word.

      • J Ryan

        “You do realize 77% of women (not just GG women but ALL women) reject modern feminism right?”

        You mean 77% of american women right? That’s what the poll shows. There is a world outside of the US you know.

        The article also shows how the majority of people actually agree with feminisms goals which shows, in my opinion, how so many people have swallowed the strawman of feminism

        • Bobby

          Yes I did mean “american” women because UK women reject feminism in even larger numbers.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9614864/Just-one-in-seven-women-describes-themselves-as-feminist.html

          You’re right. The majority agree with Equality. The majority are also intelligent enough to see that feminism stopped being about equality a long time ago.

          A dictionary does NOT define a movement. Actions do. There is a wide gap between what feminism claims to do and what it actually does.

          People are aware of this now and reject feminism.

          • J Ryan

            “You’re right. The majority agree with Equality. The majority are also
            intelligent enough to see that feminism stopped being about equality a
            long time ago.”

            You didn’t read the article did you? It actually goes into detail and shows how the majority of people think issues like equal pay and that a majority want air brushed adverts banned. These are people who agree with the majority of feminst beliefs but seem to have been swayed by the growing caricature of feminism.

            “A dictionary does NOT define a movement. Actions do. There is a wide gap
            between what feminism claims to do and what it actually does.”

            I’m willing to bet a hefty amount that you don’t see how this statement can easily apply to Gamer”It’s actually about ethics in game journalism”Gate.

          • Bobby

            Of course I read the article. You still think feminism is about equality???

            I’ll give you 2 irrefutable examples.

            1) Feminists in the US claim women make 77 cents to a man’s dollar even though lead economist Katie Bardaro showed they make 98 cents to a man’s dollar.

            The AAWU, ABC, CNN, HuffPost, Politifact, Slate, Time, and the WSJ have all debunked the 77 cent number.

            Women own 51% of the wealth and spend 75% of the money in the US (Business Insider).

            Yet we here tale after tale of how women are weak, oppressed victims. It’s BS.

            2) Feminists claim 1 in 5 women get raped on college campuses and parade this number around as fact. Anyone who questions it gets called a rape apologist or denialist (google Chirstina Hoff Sommers).

            OF COURSE it’s not 1 in 5. What parent would send their daughter to a place where she had a 20% chance to be raped???

            The Bureau of Justice Statistics PROVED it’s 6 in 1,000 or 0.6%. For a 4 year college student, it’s 1 in 52. Not even remotely 1 in 5.
            http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5176

            “I’m willing to bet a hefty amount that you don’t see how this statement
            can easily apply to Gamer”It’s actually about ethics in game
            journalism”Gate.”

            There is one GLARING difference.

            GG denounces all who harass or dox. We openly say NO WE DO NOT ACCEPT THIS.

            Get back to me when NOW.org or Feminism.org openly denounce the wage gap myth, 1 in 5 rape number, or denounce all the crazy stuff women do in the name of feminism (like protesting male suicide prevention clinics for example). Get back to me when feminism denounces the crazy stuff its own leaders have said about men.

            So no it doesn’t apply to GG and it’s disingenuous to claim it does.

    • Snoopy

      Except the FTC has explicitely credited GG with their renewal of regulations concerning online advertisements. So whatever you think others have prepared, GG has transfered it into reality.

      • Cat Reid

        Nope, they actually didn’t. Once again GG taking credit for something that was already happening. It’s just so SAD that here we are at an article about serial harassment from an online mob and you want to talk about taking credit for the FTC? Like get some priorities kid.

        • throwaway66

          Yes, I’m sure disclosing affiliate links on these corrupt gaming sites was just a big coincidence.

  • SecurityBlanket

    No one would ever pen invective this juvenile about Hitler or bin Laden because you’d have facts on your side. Meanwhile, Zachary Jason invests an awful lot of energy in this mad effort to slander Eron at every opportunity. I wonder if it’s because the facts don’t support his viewpoint?

    • Matthew Long

      *slander* oh for sure, man

      • ArsVampyre

        Yes. In print it’s called ‘Libel’. Slander is for the spoken version. And yes, this is libel. It’s almost all demonstrably false.

        • Matthew Long

          If so, why hasn’t anyone been sued yet?

          • Live the dream

            eron doesn’t have money. Libel suits cost money

        • Calloway McSmithing

          Eron probably shouldn’t have been so excited to participate in this libel, then.

  • Snoopy

    Quite amazing that would someone would publish a conglomerate of long debunked lies in .. April 2015. LOL. Unbelievable.

    BTW: The only person who kept re-inserting herself over and over again into the #gamergate debate, was .. Zoe Quinn. (whose real name btw is Chelsea van Valkenburg, not that 1 more lie actually matters). The forseeable result: Lots of Patreon $$$. It’s all she ever wanted, it’s all she’ll ever get.

    • Sepko

      Breitbart is in that direction ===>

      • Kes

        Pointing to the right. I see what you did there. I seeee it.

      • throwaway66

        Its pretty sad that Milo’s reporting at Breitbart of all places manages to get the facts straight. While this magazine hasn’t got a clue.

        • Craig Brooks

          I absolutely LOVE how Goobergabbers are so in love with Milo, a guy who just months earlier was ripping on gamers worse than any of the articles. But whatever…go snuggle up with him. I’m sure he’ll surely not bite the hand that feeds him again, right?

      • gixxerharry .

        <===== for sencorship and discrimination

        • Sepko

          OH MY GOSH YOU POOR HONKY GAMERBABY BOYS I FEEL SO BAD

          :

          • Kes

            You stop sencoring them! You stoppit right meow!

          • gixxerharry .

            Dont feel bad….were are winning
            Please up your game

          • gixxerharry .

            Dont feel bad little man,we are wining as you know
            Please up your game

        • Kes

          Actually, in disqus, the flag icon is located upwardsly ^

      • Snoopy

        Interesting you mention Breitbart (by which you probably mean Breitbart London, and in particular M. Yiannopoulous) … It’s quite interesting that he was among the first who -actually- researched this issue and didn’t just copypaste carefully prepared bits and pieces of anti-GG propaganda.

        Besides its crucial influence on the installment and update of ethics policies in gaming journalism, #gamergate has managed to achieve a goal generations of media scholars and billions of dollars in support have failed at:
        To create a generation of young people who have a profound and sophisticated distrust in mainstream media reporting.

        Never before has the obvious truth been distorted and perverted right in front of the eyes of the audience, with everyone watching it happen in detail. Those academics, scholars, and cultural critics who have lamented the general populus’ inability to see through mainstream media lies for decades now, have someone who made all their hopes for a better informed public come true. #gamergate.

        • Cat Reid

          You literally have one single journalist that agrees with you. One who works for a widely discredited organization that is known primarily as totally corrupt, and a journo who is primarily known for writing petty hit pieces on people he dislikes.
          Congrats! Another win for GG!

          • Craig Brooks

            No, be fair…they have a number of “journalists” on their side, all right wing or libertarian, who say exactly what the GG crowd wants to hear and keep them coming back for more. Of course, nearly all of their favorites are also folks that are deplorable ethically themselves (take their god, Milo, who just 6 months earlier wrote against gamers himself, but who is now their poster child).

          • Live the dream

            is cathy young not a jounralist now?

        • Sepko

          I stopped at “actually researched” in relation to Milo to laugh in the other room.

        • Craig Brooks

          If you think Breitbart is truthful unbiased reporting, you need your head examined.

          • Bobby

            But all the extreme leftist media sites you love are unbiased and truthful right?

          • Craig Brooks

            The ones I follow are a helluva lot more center than Breitbart. BBC World, NPR, AL-Jazeera America. Breitbart is the Fox News of the web.

          • Bobby

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah they are so center…

          • Craig Brooks

            And Breitbart/Fox News is? Those are a helluva lot further into the right than all I listed combined are to the left.

            But whatever…go back and live in your little rightwing bubble and pretend that they’re preaching the truth, despite third party research has openly proved that places like Fox News lie more than report honestly.

          • Bobby

            Did you not just read my previous comment? “I’ll agree with you on one thing FAUX news is the worst”

            Fox sucks. Agreed. Breitbart is NOT even remotely like Fox.

          • Craig Brooks

            You miiiiight want to have another look at GG overall, bro.
            GG is so libertarian/Right wing, it’s nearly made it’s own separate political line.

            You can call yourself whatever you like. The group, overall, is righty.

          • Bobby

            Ok, it’s not though. And honestly, I’m not sure why you care?

            I have absolutely no inherent problem with conservatives or right wingers. If the group were right wing, it would not change a single thing about us.

          • Bobby

            I’ll agree with you on one thing FAUX news is the worst

          • Craig Brooks

            So you’re against Faux news, but Breitbart is truthful, honest reporting.

            Words fail me…*smh*

          • Bobby

            Fox isn’t Breitbart. They are different entities.

            You are quite possibly the least intelligent person I’ve encountered on the internet.

    • magic66

      the “lie” is for her protection, er…….Snoopy

      • Snoopy

        No, it’s not. “ZQ” frequently changes her name to hide from the consequences of her own crimes and from a past that will inevitably come to haunt her. People who personally know her have come forward with almost unbelievable stories about her, stories which nonetheless paint a VERY clear picture: Zoe Quinn has the personality of an intimate abuser. She is manipulative, and can become brutally violent if it suits her.

        Just ask professional photographer Mallorie Nasrallah, who hoped to get a photoshooting with “Locke Valentine”, which was Chelsea van Valkenburg’s fake name back then. Her detailed account of ZQ blows any victimhood narrative right out of the water…

        The truth:
        https://www.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152274324055882:0

        • domesticgoddess

          Yes, “the truth” linking to a FB article. you can do better now.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “We’re not obsessed with Zoe Quinn,” cries the manchild with a bucket load of fun facts about Zoe Quinn.

  • TheBrett

    Send him to prison, and put a years-long restriction on his access to the internet. He’s violated both the essence and letter of the law on it over and over again, and he’s still unrepentant about it. Worthless stalker boy.

    • throwaway66

      Mr. Gjoni is the victim of his abusive ex-partner and this hit piece.

      • Sepko

        Sure bud, whatever you say.

      • GP

        Eron, is that you?

      • Craig Brooks

        Victim? Please, enlighten me how he’s anything more than a rabble-rouser that got an entire group to gang up on the ex that slighted him.

      • TheBrett

        The only victim here is Quinn, at the hands of an abusive, obsessive stalker (Gjoni) determined to make her life hell. Jail time is what he deserves, and monitoring afterwards.

      • videmus

        Women can’t abuse men because abuse requires exploitation + power.
        Men monopolize all the positions of power in our world. Only men are capable of abuse.
        Zoe is the true victim.

    • Snoopy

      Yea damn these people who want to speak their mind and tell the truth.

  • GP

    Great piece. I think this article now stands as the definitive explanation of how Gamergate began. My genuine hope is that pieces like this will increase awareness of how little protection there is for people who are abused and victimized online and that the law needs to catch up ASAP.

    My only criticism is the framing of Anita Sarkeesian’s harassment. Though she never had an angry ex at the other end of the screen, she has been harassed and abused for several years now, not just in the wake of the initial Feminist Frequency videos.

    • Matthew Long

      Let’s not forget that “beat up sarkeesian” game

      • ZetaBlade

        Someone forgot about Jack Thompson being killed by players in Mortal Kombat.

        • Matthew Long

          So, what sort of game was Sarkeesian being lampooned in?

      • brando55

        it’s called “Fun for all ages”. Do you even game?

    • EnoughFish

      “Gamers are driving women out of gaming!” won’t ever be anything but yellow Journalism.

      The article even fails to accept Zoe Quinn is a domestic abuser who put a gagging order on her victim and gas-lighted the wife of one of the men she fucked.

      Other than the hyper-sensitive feminists who unconvincingly carp at GGers this article will be remembered as trash like all the trash from Gawker and Polygon.

      • Sepko

        “The article even fails to accept Zoe Quinn is a domestic abuser who put a gagging order on her victim and gas-lighted the wife of one of the men she fucked.”
        – [massive, MASSIVE citation needed]

      • Craig Brooks

        Really…How about the testimony of countless women who’ve dealt with abuse/harassment while just trying to game? Or the countless female game devs with horror stories from working in the field? But, hey, I’m sure they’re just making ally that up. The gaming community couldn’t possibly be toxic to women and do things like disregard their stories and voices…

        Oh wait…

      • GP

        “Hyper-sensitive” is rich from the “GAMERS AREN’T DEAD PAY ATTENTION TO US!” brigade.

        Also rich: you positing Quinn as a domestic abuser.

    • Derp

      What about people that are abused and victimized in real life, like the victim of intense mental abuse and gaslighting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_UKErD0uGQ

      By a person that cheated on him with at least two journalists, her married boss and several other people, some of which were in a relationship: https://twitter.com/cvankeeken/status/501747964789161985

      A person that has proven to be a compulsive liar throughout all this: http://www.broteampill.com/forums/index.php?topic=4721.msg81555#msg81555

      Lying about a trip to Europe for instance that was planned long before The Zoe Post (for which not even this article is internally consistent on, once it says she was “fleeing”, the second times that she followed her boyfriend to France due to a job opportunity):
      http://i.imgur.com/A03hcU8.jpg

      Lied? about possibly stabbing a man in the past, lied about their birthday, lied to the press and even police and people like you are still defending.

      http://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2014/10/04/zoe-quinns-lying-cheating-claim-stabbing-killing-man-alleged-former-photographer/

      • GP

        It’s funny because you see Quinn as an abusive gaslighter, and not the guy who intentionally lied about his relationship for revenge and then got told by a judge that his behaviour was so shitty it wasn’t freeze peach, but outright harassment and had a restraining order issued against him.

        “Shifting blame and responsibility” indeed.

        • Derp

          It’s funny, because one side has provided ample proof for their side of the story. The other has not, hasn’t denied any allegations (which have all proven to be true so far) and was found lying and backstabbing people countless times.

          • GP

            Ya…we don’t see the DARVO manifesto of some ragebomb as proof (especially since people have disproven etc.) But there we are.

  • JinSaotome

    Such yellow journalism , hnnngggghh! People should know that knows Zoe’s nude photos are on the net because she was paid to pose for them and agreed for them to be distributed online through pinup sites. I mean she was handed cold hard cash. And speaking of that what better way to get her flowing than articles like this? No mention of her and her army doxxing female devs/indie groups that disagreed with her. Oh no….that would be bad for the narrative. Any proof those threats came from a person from GamerGate? Any arrests? Assaults? No? Hmmm.. Follow the money. And the trail leads to the narrative Zoe is spinning. She’s a brilliant business woman, I’ll give her that. The money she’s raking in, wow.

    • Sepko

      “FOLLOW THE MONEY, IT’LL LEAD TO THE MASSIVE SJW CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA. THE SJWs ARE MAKING A GAMER KILLBOT TO DESTROY WHITE BOY GAMERS.
      FOLLOW THE MONEY”

      • Setheneran

        Do they mean the money gator heads are raising for their big video exposes? The money Milo got to write his book? The money Eron raised? Ah yes. That money. Wait, I think it points another way…..

      • domesticgoddess

        As a female game dev, all the conspiracies are right, I’m programming that killbot right now as we speak….

    • Craig Brooks

      Even if she was paid for them, how is that justification to use them against her as a weapon?

      • JinSaotome

        So you’re saying a women’s body is a weapon now? That she doesn’t have the right to pose nude, promote, and get paid for the pictures? That’s like an actress screaming that people are visually molesting her every time they watch her sex scene in a movie. Zoe took the initiative as a strong woman to show her body off without being ashamed. What right do you have to speak for her and turn her choice into a weapon? None.

    • John Timberly Crisp

      You know how hard it is to get arrested for posting threats online? The law has not kept up with technology and while threatening someone in person, over the telephone, or through the mail is a criminal offense, the anonymity of the Internet still shields those cowards. Also, did you miss the part where she has 16 gigs of threats saved? Or were you convenienently gliding past that?

      • JinSaotome

        I was convienently remembering that there’s not a single link to GamerGate in those 16 gigs. The internet is full of trolls and scum but GG isn’t part of that. We just want to expose the unethical actions of Zoe and people like her trying to push her narrative for control of a 9 billion dollar industry

  • J M

    They are both very terrible people. Eron can’t legally defend himself and overreacted about his SO cheating and Zoe will spread anything she can to stay iin the limelight for another minute because once this is all over shes back to obscurity. Send them both to a private island where they can continually talk crap about each other and lets move on.

    • Sepko

      Yes because the woman at the blunt end of an almost year-long harassment campaign is on the same level as her stalking crybaby of an ex.

      • J M

        A woman that is no angel herself. Others she had worked with were coming out of the woodwork to back up that she was a bad person. Shit happens. If you cheat on someone then you have to expect that a hurt person is going to retaliate. PLus ZQ is like the perfect storm of internet hatred. The same time thaat this story was breaking, the story of her having a charity shut down was coming out, The story of her using her harassment of male virgins to promote her game was coming out, and her using Robin williams death to promote her games wwas coming out. People cheat everyday and don’t get the response she did so there has to be more to it than Hurr durr she woman, must hate. You can still be a bad person and a woman, feminists fought for that right but now they try to use I’m a helpless female protect me to deflect poor life choices.

      • Snoopy

        Blunt end? The 4000$$$ a month for nothing Patreon blunt end?

    • Craig Brooks

      Yes, because she wants to continue being harassed and maligned by every GGer out there (despite it “not being about her/B. Wu/Anita S/Randi H/SRH/etc etc*). So much so that she started a non-profit to try to help others in similar situations.

      • J M

        She started the non profit to capitalize on her new found fame. She doesn’t give a crap about any of you people. Look at her history before all this, she was involved in all the same things she’s whining about now.

      • TombaHat

        https://www.patreon.com/zoe
        Look at how much money she makes from being harassed! I wouldn’t want to stop being harassed either

        • J M

          Being hated is better than being unknown when you’re a celebrity.

      • Snoopy

        I think the English have a saying for that.
        It’s “putting the fox in charge of the henhouse”.

      • TombaHat

        Brianna, randi, and Zoe all actively bullied and insulted people then cried when they got insults flung back at them, anita doesn’t insult but she and Mcintosh certainly try to instigate

        • Craig Brooks

          I follow all of the above and that is a deluded take on all mentioned. Majority of the time, Zoe is posting about day to day stuff and not engaging. Brianna does engage at times, but she received it first. Randi barely engages and has mostly been getting dumped on by GG for the GG auto blocker, which you all INSIST is censorship, despite that not being the definition of said word at all. And Anita and McIntosh don’t instigate, they’re pointing out the issues in gaming and the gaming culture, which GG TAKES as instigating rather than taking those points and taking half a second to be introspective on them. Much like the “Gamers are dead” articles, had people taken the time to read and think about them, we’d all be better off, but I guess it’s much easier to just RAGGGGGGE.

          • Snoopy

            It was Randi Harper’s splendid idea to fantasize about making her blacklist (which it was explictely called back then) into an “industry blacklist”, alongside which gamergaters could be not hired + fired for their association with the tag.

            She wanted the attention, she got it. Fired from her job, unemployable, morbidly obese, and lives of patreon$. It’s fair to say she didn’t play the victim violine as well as Annie or Brianna.

          • domesticgoddess

            I love you Craig, thank you for sticking up for us wonderful lady game devs.

          • Smazeli

            Minor corrections, Brianna Wu first started getting tweets from GG after she made up a series of meme images mocking them. It’s been a back and forth ever since.

            Anyway, the main reason why Quinn and Wu are being accused of co-opting harassment is based on their actions. To date, a number of experts in and out of law enforcement who have a history of dealing with online threats have given them the same advice:

            1) If you receive hateful or threatening messages, DO NOT PUBLICLY COMMENT ON IT. 99% of these trolls want attention and to solicit reactions, and publicly reacting causes more of the same.

            2) Quietly report any serious threats to the authorities, along with all accompanying info.

            To date, Quinn and Brianna Wu have received these types of emails on a daily basis, They talk about them, build them up to be monsters, which is usually when they get a spike in tweets from GG. However, none of the death threats have been reported to the police, and they seem to have no interest in aiding any sort of investigation. I asked Quinn if the police were looking into her attackers and she blocked me.

            Some of their supporters have even asked them to at least name and shame the people sending them death threats. No dice, they both remain fixated in a weird state of promoting their toxic messages while protecting their identities. Seriously, why keep these losers hidden?

            It’s frustrating, because there is a real course of action they could be taking to put an end to their harassment, and they seem to be doing the opposite.

            By contrast, compare Quinn’s situation to that of Nathan Grayson, the Kotaku reporter whom she had a relationship with while he was covering her games. When the news first dropped, he got a ton of shit on social media accusing him of violating journalistic practices. But he ignored all of it, and wouldn’t talk to the press about it. And within a few weeks the twitter harassment stopped. Kotaku later admitted wrongdoing in their failure to professionally distance themselves from indie developers the same way they do AAA developers.

          • Craig Brooks

            Wrong, multiple have been reported and they’ve shared the reports. I know Randi H has shared multiple and still got Swatted.

            And not engaging is one thing, but getting these day after day, week after week, I can’t blame them for speaking out. It’s easy to tell the target of abuse to “just shut up and don’t speak out about it. That’s the attention they want.” YOU try it.

            And you contradict yourself in the response. You say they shouldn’t engage or bring it up, then fault them for not naming names publicly. Which is it?

          • Smazeli

            Could you link me to some of the police reports that Quinn and Brianna have filed against those emailing them death threats? They claim to get a ton, but have only specifically spoken out against postings that were already public, regardless of whether it was sent to them or not (like that youtube guy that said he wanted to kill Brianna Wu, 50 Cent, and Mrs Claus with a bb gun)

            “And not engaging is one thing, but getting these day after day, week after week, I can’t blame them for speaking out. It’s easy to tell the target of abuse to “just shut up and don’t speak out about it. That’s the attention they want.” YOU try it.”

            I have. When I was an admin of a video game forum I got plenty of threats over the dumbest stuff imaginable. One guy threatened to asphxiate my newborn son because he got banned. From an internet message board

            Their only goal is to intimidate and get attention. When you refuse to give into their implicit demands and ignore them, they get bored and move on. Which is why I never heard back from any of them, they only wanted validation. And Quinn and Brianna provide validation in spades, how can one NOT get an ego boost by being described as an ongoing scourge of the net?

            “And you contradict yourself in the response. You say they shouldn’t engage or bring it up, then fault them for not naming names publicly. Which is it?”

            Either one, since either one of these actions would be a more productive step against the harassment they’ve been getting. If they’re not willing to do one, then do the other. Instead they’ve opted to promote their threats while shielding them from any accountability.

  • Sepko

    My god the amount of honky-mayo gater trash in these comments is hilarious.
    Why you all so mad? Why are you allergic to your own history? Stand up, be proud gamergate! You helped out this one sad stalker guy get revenge on this girl and completely ruin her life because reasons! Yay.

    • SecretAgentHulk

      Yer doin’ the Lord’s work, Sepko.

      • videmus

        Right on, SecretAgentHulk, and high five to Sepko! These gater goons are really just too stupid to realize that their movement was over when harassing tweets started to fly. If this goes on any further someone will get hurt like when #blacklivesmatter caused the murder of two NYPD cops, which by the way began as an anti-cop movement not unlike how gg started as an anti-woman movement. Any moment now I expect gaters to start fights and destroying things like in Baltimore. How can they not understand that protest groups are responsible for the actions of everyone? It’s beyond my imagination. We should all be worried, and we should all work to put a stop to these disingenuous movements that carry out violence.

        • SecretAgentHulk

          How you can be against GamerGate but pro-police (in antithesis to pro-black people) is beyond me.

          • videmus

            Gamergate sent harassing tweets to Ms. Quinn, and #blacklivesmatter burned businesses and killed two police officers (and tried to kill 2 more in Ferguson). These movements are collectively responsible for what happens.

          • SecretAgentHulk

            The rioters in Baltimore are distinct from the peaceful protestors, something GG cannot claim by virtue of its lack of organization. #BlackLivesMatter is not any more responsible for violence than Quinn is.

    • Snoopy

      When in the history of the internet did people need a hashtag, or a reason, to harrass someone? Never. #Gamergate isn’t about ZQ and her STD laden bedroom antics. Never was.

      • PAZ

        … Explain plese the genesis of the tag, please..?

        • Bee Dubya

          Here you go idiot – dont insult your audience or they might get pissed off. Shocking, huh?

        • Snoopy

          Go back to #Gamergate Tweet #000000001, by Adam Baldwin, linking to 2 youtube videos criticising the cover up/censoring of the debate about the implications of game journos being involved.

          • facefault

            Videos about Zoe Quinn, complaining that moderators deleted threads posting her personal information. Nothing whatsoever to do with “games journalism.”

            Also, forum moderation =/= censorship. You don’t have a right to post whatever you want on a privately run forum. This is for the same reason you don’t have the right to paint whatever you want on a privately owned house’s walls.

          • Snoopy

            1) 2 x 20minutes to complain about the removal of personal info? Yup, sounds legit.

            2) A public forum is like a house wall. Got it.

          • videogamep

            Forums aren’t public. The data is stored on privately owned servers and the bandwidth is paid for by a private company. They have no obligation to host content they don’t like.

    • Joseph T.

      Me, honky-mayo, top fucking kek.

  • Sarcasm

    oh, gosh, thank you for writing such an enlightening piece. eron is incredibly creepy, and quite the monster.

    • Bee Dubya

      The fem-super creep did him.. She also stabbed a rapist in the face. Oh wait – she was just lying then.

      • Sarcasm

        thank you for continued dedication to gamergate never making any sense. “top kek,” my man.

        • Bee Dubya

          Not problem – keep supporting bloated losers :)

          • Sarcasm

            right ebin may may back at you.

  • Ethics Auditor

    Hearing & reading a lot of unsubstantiated and unrelated stuff here – anyone interested in learning what #GamerGate is about: http://imgur.com/5vvYiYv and a quick video to check: https://youtu.be/ipcWm4B3EU4

  • Gael Laurent

    OMG, is this written by Zoe Quinn’s lawyer ?

    • Joseph T.

      It certainly sounds like it. Well written article that conveys the message that it intends to send, I must admit.

      • Snoopy

        It’s a carefully constructed piece of propaganda. It’s a pity the defamation laws in the US are so dysfunctional. In other countries, he could’ve sued the several “news outlets” for millions and he’d be a rich man today.

        • Dragon_2

          LOL xD This about the most sue-happy country in the fcking world.

          • Snoopy

            Doesn’t help if the law protects even the most obnoxious liars spreading their poison.

          • Dragon_2

            What, like Eron Gjoni and gamergate?

  • Sarcasm

    yes, classic gamergate zinger. “this youtube will help you see correctly.”

    • Joseph T.

      Classic anti-GamerGate tactic: “No, I won’t discuss any opposing view!”

      • Sarcasm

        the inability of gamergate to distill their, and I use this term extremely lightly, “facts”

      • Craig Brooks

        Classic GG tactic: Sea Lion.

      • SecretAgentHulk

        Classic Gator tactic: “Allow me to spend five hours rebutting this five-minute video!”

        • Snoopy

          Why is that a bad thing? Mainstream media is doing the “Gish Gallopp”, which by definition requires a lot of time refuting each single lie.

  • PAZ

    When I emailed him recently, Gjoni said he’d been having second thoughts. “I don’t know that I’ll publish it anymore,” he wrote. “I’m finding it increasingly difficult to be concerned about people who think I’m a monster. Which is wrong of me, I know. But the last eight months have been taxing. I just want to code, and hang out with my friends and my girlfriend, and I guess just hope people figure it out on their own.”
    Still, he wishes he’d put even more detail into “The Zoe Post.” “I was too much of a wuss,” he wrote, “to not say everything I should have said.”

    This guy scares me. And the GamerGate people see him like a kind of Patron Saint.

    I believe that says it all about this “movement”

    • Sarcasm

      yup. prepare yourself for disapproving Gators explaining it is not an organized movement, but a spontaneous combustion of consumer revolt sparked by sex shaming and 4chan troll raids.

      • PAZ

        … Help!

        And somebody please explain me why, if GamerGate is about ethics in game journalism, they still defend this creepy guy…

        • Snoopy

          Well, THAT’S easy. Because he’s still being used as a catalyser for the false narrative that #GG is somehow about “driving women out of gaming..or game development..or”, well, whatever an SJW agitator says today”.

          Bullying him for being the victim of a relentless abuser is anti-GG’s original sin.

    • Bee Dubya

      “Scared me” – raising the threat narrative.. Typical…

      • PAZ

        Yep. He scares me. This is a genuine emotion born from reading this article. It’s not about “narrative” or else. This is something visceral.

        • Bee Dubya

          Then stay in a room and dont come out. Pathetic.

          • J Ryan

            Says someone from a movement that is still whining about Leigh Alexanders article.

            funny how everyone but you needs to grow a thicker skin.

          • Snoopy

            Whining? About “I AM GAMES JOURNALISM” Leigh Alexander?

            I praise the ground she’s walking on. If it weren’t for her alcohol fuelled hate speech antics, our email campaigns wouldn’t have been as successfull as they were.

            I love her. Totally. Bring her back from that #Offworld outpost dead end and let her write whatever she likes.

          • Matthew Long

            *hate speech*. oh cry me a river of gamer tears

          • Bee Dubya

            Who? Another squid in stretch pants? Look at that bloated blue whale you are defending.

    • Snoopy

      $5 say 80% of today’s GGers have no clue who Eron is. Probably wouldn’t care anyway. Why would they? We’ve got a dragon to slay.

    • H. Guderian

      Check any source of GG news like Kotaku in Action on Reddit, or the 8chan threads. Eron only came up recently because of this hitpiece. He’s no saint by any side’s standards.

      • Matthew Long

        Oh, 8chan, you say? The very same place where child pornography is hosted? where Neo-Nazi’s hangout? Where the founder wrote an article for a neo-nazi website?

        • Smazeli

          No. 8chan does not allow child pornography. It also doesn’t ban people for having offensive opinions.

    • Hessmix

      Patron saint….AHAHAHAHAHA

      he’s an admitted Social Justice type. We hate his political views.

      • PAZ

        “We” who..?

        • Proto Man

          Don’t you know? We, Gamergate!

          We don’t hate women. That’s those other guys that say they’re us, but they’re not us.

          We don’t send death threats. Those are fakers using our name, probably anti-GamerGaters trying to make us look bad

          We don’t like Eron Gjoni, that’s some other group that called him their pope.

          We’re the actual Gamergate. We’re different.

          *proceeds to sniff own farts for half an hour*

  • Jamison Pridgen

    Not the worst article. At least it’s thorough and presents some semblance of both sides, albeit heavily skewed. I don’t really care about Zoe, she can continue to do whatever it is she does. Gamergate long since moved past her and Eron, so an article about Gamergate focusing on her being a victim will only invite people with a personal grudge against her. So enjoy the slapfight in comments.

    • Bee Dubya

      The way it looks, she is on her way to exploding.

    • Sarcasm

      how has a movement that still uses a moniker coined about Eron and Zoe break up distanced itself from that sex shaming genesis?

      • Jamison Pridgen

        What Moniker? GamerGate? It’s catchy, is a good acronym, and was coined by Baldwin about the ethical concerns of a journalist and a game developer being in a relationship and the journalist providing unwarranted and undisclosed coverage.

        Even if the initial accusation was incorrect, and I don’t know or care if it was, what was spawned is much bigger than whatever they did/were doing. Movements don’t last 8 + months because they hate two individuals, that’s just wishful thinking my sarcastic friend.

        • Sarcasm

          Eron’s wishful thinking for sure.

        • facefault

          >Even if the initial accusation was incorrect, and I don’t know or care if it was,

          This is why everyone laughs at you when you try to tell them you care about ethics.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            lol, I don’t care if the tiny group of ideological opponents to gamergate “laugh when I tell them I care about ethics”. Those people live for conflict and abuse.

          • Sarcasm

            I noticed you didn’t actually offer anything about #gamergate distancing itself from a sex scandal it was named after.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            …it just…marched forward? As things tend to do with time? Uncovered bigger issues to focus on? How did World War I distance itself from Franz Ferdinand? Time happened and bigger events took place, doesn’t change what the catalyst was.

          • Sarcasm

            oh, so those that still rage on about zoe are just like lost Japanese soldiers just carrying on in the name of the emperor Eron? there’s an awful lot of them.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            Yeah, they need to get a life.

          • Sarcasm

            yes, #gamergate needs to get a life.

          • Korg

            The fact that you think Gamergate started from TheZoePost and not the dozen articles declaring that “Gamers are Dead” and “Gamers Don’t Have to Be Your Audience” in the days following it proves you really don’t have a grasp on the facts. The battle lines were drawn then – the establishment dismissed gamers as socially awkward basement dwelling virgins because they were concerned someone might have traded sex for positive reviews, gamers responded by demanding basic standards of disclosure and ethics from their media. Gamers were offended by the constant insults and accusations of racism, misogyny, and xenophobia, and many of them have revolted against the yoke of political correctness. Thus Gamergate was born, a leaderless, amorphous, unstoppable juggernaut of culture. We are here to fact check you, and make sure everything is on the up and up. Boston Magazine? Liars.

            .If I had to offer a theory it would be that you in fact are not a gamer at all, have no vested interest in the sub-culture, and don’t really know anything about it at all. That’s why it’s so easy for you to be completely wrong about something, yet be utterly convinced you are completely right about it. Sociologists refer to this phenomenona “psuedo-certainty”.

          • facefault

            Everyone outside GamerGate thinks your little movement is disgusting. This includes the vast majority of gamers.

            A great illustration of this happened in the science fiction community recently. Vox Day, a man known for arguing that acid attacks against women are justified, used a voting slate to get a bunch of books nominated for Hugo Awards. He got a small number of people from GG to help in this project.

            GG’s reputation is so bad that many commenters opposed to Vox Day called this out.

            People are so repulsed by you that associating with you makes the guy who thinks women shouldn’t be allowed to vote look worse.

          • Jamison Pridgen

            My friend uses the same verbage when he’s insecure about something. “everyone disagrees with you!” “People are repulsed!” The same is said about SJWS. “They’re a tiny repulsive minority. The silent majority disagrees and are repulsed by you.” Yada yada yada.

            I’m well aware of the Hugo Awards drama; and Vox Day’s reputation in that community is already what it is. Him being associated with GamerGate brings GamerGate down, not vice versa.

          • Snoopy

            Except GG helped #sadpuppies, which belongs to Larry Correia, and not Vox Day’s #rabidpuppies. But don’t let the facts interrupt your narrative.

          • facefault

            If you’re going to lie, make it harder to debunk. It’s easy to find GG supporters endorsing Rabid Puppies right now.

            https://twitter.com/search?q=rabid%20puppies%20%23gamergate&src=typd

          • Snoopy

            Some dumb bells made the very same mistake YOU made = not knowing that the 2 are different. Proof? Here it is:

            https://twitter.com/iSamurai/status/587456958166388738
            https://twitter.com/zipspree/status/587443371444203521
            =
            “#GameOfThronesAuthor Denounces #Gamergate And Rabid Puppies”
            vs.
            “Game Of Thrones author denounces #GamerGate & #SadPuppies ”

            — > Get it now? Or wanna keep on lying?

            Here’s what GG ACTUALLY thinks about Vox Day
            —-
            “Everything else aside, I don’t understand why @davidpakmanshow tagged the Vox Day interview as #GamerGate when it had nothing to do with it”
            -> https://twitter.com/JennyOHenry/status/591961737265598466

            “Writer friend: “You in #gamergate need to diassociate from Vox Day.”
            Me: “LOL!! He’s one of yours pal, I didn’t know who he was a week ago.””
            -> https://twitter.com/Meteoryan/status/591892532407111680

            “@BasteKnight @DakotaTheMad Actually, I think what people were saying is that #Gamergate does not support Vox Day’s views. Which it doesn’t.”
            -> https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/591794425027829760

            Your choice. Straighten up or keep peddling your leftist lies.

          • Matthew Long

            Hold on – you speak for GG?

          • Snoopy

            Haven’t you been told? I’m the leader of #gamergate

          • J Ryan

            Gamergate is a hashtag movement, anyone who wants to claim they’re in GG are in GG. Here’s VoxDay talking for gamergate with plenty of cheering on from toher GGers in the comments.

          • Snoopy

            Hahaha. Sure. So even false-flagging anti-GGs are now “part of gamergate”, because they momentarily claim to be? GTFO.

            Here’s how it actually works:
            If you IDENTIFY with GG’s goals – welcome to the ride. Doesn’t mean we share your opinions on ANYTHING else. We don’t have to.

            So if Vox Day wants to fight corruption in games journalism, or journalism in general, I welcome him to do it. He’s welcome to use the tag. Ask me about his opinions on other matters, and you’ll get an entirely different answer from me.

            And that’s all there is to say about it

          • Matthew Long

            ah, that familiar conspiratorial term – ‘false flag’ – rears its ugly, tin-foil hat wearing head.

          • Dragon_2

            And who defines those goals? There’s no ‘we’, only a bunch of individuals with no organisation. That’s why VoxDay is just as much the ‘voice of GG’ as you are.

          • Jimm Russla

            And who is “everyone,” exactly? A funny thing about you SJWs is that you think far more people are on your side than there actually are. Which is why 90% of people polled believe in equality, but only 18% identify as feminists.

          • facefault

            Actually, that’s a great illustration!

            You may have heard about how support for “The Affordable Care Act” and “Obamacare” is very low… but people in polls actually support everything the ACA does. They have negative associations with the name, but support everything it actually does.
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/republicans-support-obamas-health-reforms–as-long-as-his-name-isnt-on-them/2012/06/25/gJQAq7E51V_blog.html

            Feminism’s exactly like that. The vast majority of Americans support equal pay for equal work, better enforcement of rape and sexual harassment laws, and everything else that feminists agree on. (I’ll skip the issues feminists don’t agree on for now). They just don’t like the word “feminism,” because social conservatives have successfully disassociated the word from the actions.

      • H. Guderian

        Wasn’t Gamergate coined due to Quinn and Greyson’s undisclosed relationship? Kinda was. Eron has little to do with it except pointing out it exists.

        • GP

          You mean passing off his paranoia about his partner cheating as proof of an undisclosed relationship as proof as collusion between a journalist and an unknown indie dev? If you want to claim otherwise, receipts, plz.

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is what censorship does to you, nothing you said was accurate, even Internet Aristocrat gets this right in his first video…I mean seriously now. Undisclosed relationships were a thing, and a problem.

            Its funny but I don’t think you’d call a woman who had a guy step out on her 5 times and admitted it “paranoid”.

          • GP

            Go get me the proof she stepped out on him 5 times. Bring it here.

          • Smazeli

            It’s not so much “his paranoia” that acts as proof, so much as it is the chatlogs and Zoe’s admission, and the admission of her former boyfriends, and Kotaku’s admission of disclosure errors.

            Weird how none of this got into the article.

          • GP

            Go get them, then.

    • Hannah Shaw-Williams

      “Gamergate long since moved past her and Eron.”

      Lol have you seen this comment section?

      • Sarcasm

        or the hashtag on Twitter?

      • Jamison Pridgen

        ” so an article about Gamergate focusing on her being a victim will only invite people with a personal grudge against her. So enjoy the slapfight in comments.”

      • Young Yurk

        Yea. it’s filled with people like you trying to defend an abuser. And this article is clearly about Zoe Quinn, so please, tell me what else are people supposed to talk about? Nice logic (sarcasm).

        • Calloway McSmithing

          If you don’t care about Quinn, don’t read the article. If you don’t care about Quinn, don’t post.

          “We don’t care about Zoe Quinn!” says the guy who can’t stop talking about Zoe Quinn.

          • Smazeli

            It’s great isn’t it? If someone lies about you on the internet, any effort to defend yourself amounts to a creepy obsession.

            Look it’s different when the writer of the article does it. His knowledge of Quinn amounts to “expertise”, whereas anyone else’s amounts to “stalking”. ESPECIALLY IF they uncover facts that showcase Quinn’s long history of fabricating elaborate stories to garner sympathy.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL the reverse logic here is astounding. I’m not the one who has been riding her in a vein attempt to get laid here for 9 months. That’s you. GG has dealt with a whole host of issues, you on the other hand have had one goal, Quinn’s pants, and you still haven’t come any closer, she probably doesn’t even know who you are.

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      “Both sides”

      I’ve struck bingo!

      • Young Yurk

        There are two sides. You guys act like the majority of people support the people who stand against gamergate. Hint: They don’t, in fact it’s 40 in favor for every 1 against. Even most neutrals lean toward gamergate so….

        • Matthew Long

          orly?

          • Young Yurk

            lol look, it’s Matthew, here to tell me more about how shit your friends are to women?

        • petty_patrol_tengu

          [This is what GG actually believes]

          • Young Yurk

            G8B8M8

          • Young Yurk

            LOL the cringe of tumblrinas trying to imitate South Park

  • ArsVampyre

    Almost nothing in this article is truthful; most of it’s been actively discredited with information. No doubt the author is a personal friend of Quinn’s, doing her a solid, and never actually spoke to anyone else or has completely mischaractarized what was said.

    Whatever Mr. Gonji might be, I doubt he’s stupid enough to admit that he wrote ‘The Zoe Post’ specifically to incite harassment. How anyone who isn’t a zealot could possibly believe that happened without independent verification is beyond reason.

    If Gonji wants to admit himself that it was his purpose, fine. Otherwise, I will believe it’s as honest as the other disreputable characterizations which have been proven, time and again, to be false.

    Quinn may have been harassed, but that doesn’t come from Gamergate, and no evidence of such has ever been presented outside of people asserting it. Assertions are not evidence, and assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    • Sarcasm

      “actively discredited with information” is my new favorite lie.

      • Kes

        I like: “Quinn may have been harassed, but that doesn’t come from Gamergate.”

        • Frieda

          “It’s definitely all third-party trolls. Except for the ones targeted at GG’ers. Those are definitely real.”

          • Kes

            “/baphomet/? I’ve literally never heard of it.”

          • Frieda

            “Developers knowing each other is the most serious ethical issue in the gaming industry.”

          • Kes

            It’s collusion all the way down.

          • Smazeli

            Who are you quoting?

        • H. Guderian

          The harassment you refer to began before the term was even coined. her friends also post tweets offering DLC codes to post “harassment” in the current GG hashtag to help keep their narrative up.

          • Kes

            Even a broken clock… You are correct, online harassment of women in general and Zoe and Anita in particular does indeed pre-date the coining of a certain campaign about ethics. Prior to Aug ’14, we didn’t have a name for those types, but the Lesser Baldwin saw our great need and, in his wisdom, provided. Well done you!

          • H. Guderian

            And studies show men are harassed, if not more, than women, online. Wouldn’t want research to disturb this narrative your cronies have going.

          • Matthew Long

            Who does the harassing? Where are these studies? Link them.

        • Young Yurk

          Actually, out of all the times she’s been mentioned by GG, less then 5% was abusive. Funny how you guys seem more obsessed with Quinn then GamerGate is. Next?

      • Korg

        Care to elaborate? Or is this just a statement that you think that facts aren’t important?

        For example: Eron was involved in the release of Zoe Quinn’s nude modeling photos – true or false?

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      It is incredible how Gamergate has constructed such a complex narrative around the issue. This itself is worthy of its own book, much less another article.

      • Calloway McSmithing

        You’ll be glad to know that as we speak Milo is slowly pushing a book about Gamergate and will be crapping it onto shelves any day now!

    • Calloway McSmithing

      Eron gives multiple interviews for an article. Is quoted in numerous place saying gross things.

      Gamergate, “THIS ARTICLE IS FILLED WITH LIES AND LIBEL!”

      • Smazeli

        Is that a real quote or something you made up? Man, I have no idea why they’d be worried about lies.

  • Korg

    I just wanted to note that this article has shattered any remaining faith I had in mainstream journalism. I’m not sure if the author knows they are lying, or if they have been deceived somehow, but for the love of god, this is just awful.

    “So-called ethics”? HA! Do people still wonder why Gamergate exists? Well, that’s why. In the author’s mind ethics themselves are a strange concept they don’t understand. When Gamergate discussion is banned on certain message boards, the mods flag use of the word “ethics” as a way to identify posts by GG supporters. Ironic that a misogynist hate mob seems so intent on something other than “women in gaming”.

    Mom was right -“when someone shows you who they are, believe them”. Boston Magazine, I believe you. You’re liars.

    • facefault

      Hm, whose conclusion should I trust: the one Boston Magazine, The New York Times, the Washington Post, and The Guardian came to after careful investigation?

      Or that of “Korg,” who tells us in his first post ever that hearing things he disagrees with has destroyed his faith in journalism?

      • Korg

        You certianly shouldn’t trust Boston Magazine. If you trusted Boston Magazine, you would think that Brianna Wu was threatened by a scary GamerGate supporter instead of a performance artist who claimed she had tried to assasinate him by sabotaging his mother’s Prius after backing out of their GamerGate street-racing match.

        https://archive.is/v4erW

        If you trusted Boston Magazine, you might think that Eron was somehow involved in Quinn’s nude modeling pictures being released. You might think Quinn was harrased by Wizardchan, and probably don’t know that she is not actually a highly regarded game developer at all, but instead has a absolutely terrible reputation as a chronic liar.

        If Boston Magazine is so trustworthy, why do you believe things that aren’t true after reading their articles?

        • Matthew Long

          Name me a publication you trust.

          • Korg

            I trust an aggregation of 20 Google searches from every side of the issue. Young Turks, Dan Carlin, Media Matters, Breitbart UK, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hedges, The Baffler, Russia Today, Vice, Al Jazeera, Cop Watch, AdBusters, Raw Story (on the fence the last few years, gone downhill), Brad Blog, Daily Kos, Sargon of Akkad, That Guy T, and a ton of Google News.

            Just yesterday I read a news blurb and cross reference it with 10 articles and five message boards before I felt like I had a handle on it and posted about it. That’s a pretty much daily occurrence.

          • petty_patrol_tengu

            Reddit, I’m sure. But only if it’s boards he likes!

        • petty_patrol_tengu

          Archive.is link. If you came here expected to be taken seriously then you have made a serious mistake. Go back to /gamergate/ and go look at some Vivian James porn, the adults are talking.

          • Korg

            I don’t get it. Are you trying to be funny?

            What’s wrong with what I posted?

          • Shucky Ducky

            Only thing wrong is that you aren’t their gamerghazi friend.

          • hams

            It’s trash and you seem to think if you pile it high enough it will amount to something.

      • Bill

        That’s the trouble with trying to bring attention to journalistic failings. They are the ones reporting on those trying to expose them. And surprise, surprise they support the narrative that they never do anything wrong and those speaking out are evil etc. Gamergate has not been going on for 8 months to harass a woman or women in games.

        • facefault

          You’re performing a neat rhetorical trick here, which is to pretend that sources GG has accused of bias against them are unreliable.

          The problem is that GG claims every single news source that has investigated them is biased against them.

          http://i.imgur.com/8g0K2f1.png

          • Young Yurk

            Considering there are news sources that have done the same and came out with favorable results for gamergate? How do you hipsters still exist? Are you really so bored that you ignored every piece of evidence and logic and still act like GamerGate is the hate group? You guys are cute, probably like the majority of Anti-GG, fat middle aged white men with blogs.

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is why you are so easily led.
            All roads lead back to the same corrupt sources for those stories. They are not separate pieces, just paraphrasing of lies which they expect no one to check.

            Its just sad you have people defend such poor practices as if it were a righteous thing to do, I’ve never seen people work this hard to protect corporate malfeasance.

          • facefault

            If that were true, you could show me the sources for those stories. Instead, you link an hour-long video about anchors using the same wording to describe a completely unrelated story.

            Please consider the possibility that all the journalists who looked into GG independently found the same behavior. I’m sure you’ve seen Jesse Singal’s attempt to engage with GG before, but please read it. It’s pretty much what I (a non-journalist) saw in September. It’s the same thing everyone who tries to engage with your movement sees.
            http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/10/gamergate-should-stop-lying-to-itself.html

            You can claim to be a brave independent thinker all you want, while parroting talking points and using a motherfucking Vivian James avatar. But people look at your actions, not just your words. GG’s actions show that they’re obsessed with Zoe Quinn, used to be mostly about harassing women, and are now mostly about trying to convince people they never harassed women.

            I mean, like a third of the comments you’ve ever made under your current account are on this thread. And you seriously expect people to believe you when you say you think Zoe Quinn is irrelevant to GG.

      • Young Yurk

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, trust the media, everything they tell you is 100% accurate and not from the same damn source. Get the hell outta here dude.

        • J Ryan

          But breitbart, reaxxion… yeah they’re trustworthy aren’t they. Lord you lot are laughable.

          • Young Yurk

            LOL aww did breitbart hurt your feelings with reality? Poor baby :'(. It’s more than that BTW, escapist, the independent, and numerous others. So…

          • Shucky Ducky

            This is sjw in action,who is talking is what matters, what they are saying doesn’t need to be checked depending on your allegiance and bias. Sorry but whether you like it or not those sites managed to produce worthy stories while your side has spent its time writing up “poor zoe” pieces and anti gg pieces with countless factual innacuracies…to the point where you just might as well call most of these articles short form fiction, not journalism.

    • Calloway McSmithing

      You seem desperately confused by how words work.

      • Korg

        Is this just the way things go in the comments here? It must be some kind of cultural Boston thing I’m not picking up on or something.

        Is that a thing in Boston, you guys make vague insults and then bounce? It’s happened like 300 times in this comments section. I thought you all were tougher than that. How’s about you reff-you-tate some of my points. What’s the matter, you yella?

        • hams

          It’s funny that you think your comments deserve more than 30 seconds of attention. There’s nothing to refute in your post because you barely said anything of substance. Mainly you just called the author a liar without any proof. (can you prove that the author didn’t interview Gonad and that he didn’t say those things?)

          I would consider very carefully what you are showing everyone else about who you are.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “Youse Bostonians ain’t so tuff,” he said while hiding under his mattress and remembering the fond words his mother said to him when she called him her special boy.

  • Chris Losey

    I must be the only gamer in the world who just plays the games and doesn’t give two fucks who’s making the game or who has what genitalia…

    • H. Guderian

      The problem in the indie scene is that who gets coverage in the press can make or break small projects, who may later become people making the other games you enjoy. Having people promote their friends without disclosure will lead to several problems in the future.

      I don’t game often, but I do care if the system that makes my games becomes rigged by a small circle.

      • HobokenGary

        Getting to know the press who covers any creative industry scene is part of being an indie creator. Indie bands get to know writers for indie music blogs, indie comics artists schmooze with who covers that scene, indie film makers make contacts with film reporters. Self promotion is part of the job description. If your issue is that some folks are better at it then others, well, whos fault is that? I don’t care if you make the best widget on the planet, if you don’t tell anyone, you don’t get to be pissed that no one noticed.

        • Shucky Ducky

          Yes, who cares if there are casting couches, may the riches go to those who want it the most right?
          Sorry no, standards must always apply. Friends helping friends eventually becomes corruption and payola.

          • HobokenGary

            Where are you getting casting couches from?

            I don’t think you know what corruption and payola mean.

    • petty_patrol_tengu

      No, you are far from alone. Gamergate is a small but incredibly vocal minority.

      • Live the dream

        gamergate doesn’t care about the genitalia of the person making a game. That is why there is no mention of hating people say the developers of seed scape or city skylines being harassed by gamergate. If some women are mocked and other women not mocked how can you conclude that its the genitalia that is the reason for the mocking?

  • Frieda

    It’s funny how incredibly thoroughly GG will scrutinize even the simplest statement from one of its targets, even when backed up by solid evidence, screenshots, police reports, etc, and every single time come to the conclusion that it’s all some big conspiracy. But when some dude comes out with bitter unsubstantiated claims about his ex girlfriend? “Seems legit.”

    • Kes

      How can you not be convinced yet? Here, lemme show you this blurry twitpic of an infographic with red MS paint lines all over it. Are you convinced now? *Why not!*?!

      • videmus

        Isn’t it incredible? I can’t believe the Gaters are still denying their involvement in all this. I mean, when Palin and her daughter received death threats we all knew they came from misogynistic Democrats who hate her as a woman trying to make it in politics, yet now we’re supposed to believe this conspiracy theory that “other people” were involved in the harassment of the lovely Ms. Quinn. Give us a break, it’s obvious who’s responsible. GGers should be ashamed.

        • William Burr

          You folks are willing to walk an awful long walk to disbelieve a person’s very-well annotated story of being abused.

    • H. Guderian

      What Eron said in particular about his ex really isn’t the issue. There was a claim early on that she slept around for coverage, which was debunked. However, the web of connections and journalistic ties -did- still hold up. And that she was friends and that man from Kotaku was also in the game’s credits which he failed to disclose their relationship.

      Instead of simply fessing up that there had been some disclosure issues, Quinn and her Goons went on the attack as they so love to do, then played victim when it suited them.

      • Matthew Long

        I’d like to try out that game she made. How much does it cost? I got my wallet out.

        • H. Guderian

          Listen Captain Troll, who just joined today to troll this. Your types are what causes nothing to get done on the internet. Go buy your friend’s free game, and go home and rest before you’re called back up to raid another thread.

          • Kes

            I believe the answer you were groping for is “nothing”. None. No monies.

          • Shucky Ducky

            You mean 4k of patreon monies. Their game is victimhood, coverage, notoriety.
            Financial motivation for self damseling? There you go.

          • Live the dream

            Of course all the people defending zoe in these comments are totally not people she knows from the forum somethingawful. They are also totally not people who follow her on twitter.

          • http://www.toiletovhell.com/ Gurrpus Vakarian

            So what you’re saying is we get paid Patreon buxx for playing Depression Quest?

          • Matthew Long

            $0 would suffice, thanks, gator.

    • Young Yurk

      LOL the fact that you are defending an abuser shows what a piece of shit you are

    • Smazeli

      But this article doesn’t contain any screenshots, police reports, or evidence. Zoe Quinn has talked extensively about the 16 gigs of threats that she has saved, but will block anyone on twitter who asks to see them.

      • Jason Zolina

        Shit’s not hard to find. Look around.

        • Smazeli

          Oh hey, I found this. Zoe Quinn once stabbed a rapist to death without telling the police about it:

          https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

          The source of this story is Zoe Quinn herself, and I have NO reason to doubt her honesty here.

          • Jason Zolina

            No.

          • Smazeli

            What’s the problem? You can read it for yourself, and the linked emails from Quinn. Does it bother you?

          • Jason Zolina

            Nope.

          • Smazeli

            Nope? As in, it doesn’t bother you, or you aren’t going to read the proof?

          • Live the dream

            should we believe zoe and say that eron is a horrible person or do we not believe zoe and say she hasn’t stabbed someone and not reported it.? Is she a reliable witness or not at this point?

          • Smazeli

            I don’t know! Someone please tell me,

          • Proto Man

            You should probably believe Eron is a horrible person when he said that he deliberately designed a blog post designed to go viral and damage a woman’s life but hey whatever it’s about ethics in whatever you’re lying to yourself about.

          • Live the dream

            Designed it and sent it like many other articles i have seen women do in the exact same way. Is it only women who can craft these posts?

    • Winston_from_the_Ministry

      It’s called confirmation bias, everybody does it. Everybody. You, me, everybody.

    • Live the dream

      Its a good thing then taht eron posted logs and screen shots and fully confirmed everything he said then isn’t it. Eron has never been caught lying … zoe has many many many times.

      • Proto Man

        I think when a guy gets caught 4 times violating a restraining order he might not be the most trustable source of news but hey you keep on defending your husbando, namaste.

        • Live the dream

          do you know what the court order is?

          He can’t give out NEW INFORMATION. he hasn’t violated the court order once. You don’t have the facts.

          • Proto Man

            He’s violated it 4 times. It says it in the article. I guess because it comes from the she-devil’s mouth you don’t buy it but it’s there.

  • DorothyP

    “Depression Quest raked in independent game awards.” Which ones?

    • Snoopy

      Listed on her website.

  • H. Guderian

    This is ridiculous!

    At no point does the author ask why Quinn is disliked. Maybe because she sank “The Most Expensive Game Jam in History”. Maybe because after that she started her own charity game jam, which she collected money for and RAN with it. Look up “Rebel Jam.” Then, when another charity was raising money to help get women into making games she had that sabotaged as well.

    this article is shit.

    • Matthew Long

      How’d she sabotage the “charity”, again? Supposedly DDoS?

      • H. Guderian

        Said charity received a notice they were being taken down because their charity was maliciously harming Quinn. All Quinn has to do is complain or get a magazine article and people just….accept it. Take down someone else’s charity with no questions asked?

        The censorship of early Gamergate talk happened all the same way. They made this problem way larger than it had to because they knew they had stuff to hide. Which was found out.

        • J Ryan

          “The censorship of early Gamergate talk happened all the same way. They
          made this problem way larger than it had to because they knew they had
          stuff to hide. Which was found out.”

          Websites banned discussion of malicious lies (Quinn sleeping with people for good reviews). That is not censorship. it’s being responsible.

          • H. Guderian

            And so people threatening to ban Pro-GG people from sites, internet blacklists, ban them from convention spaces, etc – that’s all ebcause they think we’d automatically give a damn what her sex life is? If she didn’t keep popping back up in the news to cry about how harassed she is it would be easy to go back into obscurity. Even if she never had any intimate relations with anyone in her whole life the lack of disclosure between a developer and journalist is still there.

            Disclosure is also responsible behavior, which those censors you love have glanced over.

          • Shucky Ducky

            Actually they banned discussion of the truth, from Internet Aristocrats first video, she was dismissed as irrelevant, also, his first video correctly states her involvement wasn’t based on a review, but positive coverage.
            Censorship and your justification of censorship is why you can’t keep your story straight after 8 months.

          • Smazeli

            “Websites banned discussion of malicious lies (Quinn sleeping with people for good reviews)”

            Minor correction, the admin policies were not to ban anyone talking about positive reviews, but to ban anyone talking about Quinn getting positive coverage from Grayson despite being in a romantic relationship with him (which was factual)

    • J Ryan

      “Then, when another charity was raising money to help get women into making games she had that sabotaged as well.”

      TFYC is not a charity, they’re a business. they’re not registered as a non-profit anywhere in the world. Stop lying.

    • Jason Zolina

      In light of constant rape and death threats, literally nothing short of raping and killing sprees would matter. The mob response directed at Quinn so completely obliterates proportionality that nothing about her past means a single goddamn thing.

  • SecretX

    The only people are talking about this is the media and low bloggers and feminist. GamerGate has move on and has accomplish many things but of course nobody wants to talk about that.

    Funny how GamerGate is being blame as hate mob but in reality your creating a hate mob from not knowing the facts. Like the old saying “Point a finger at someone three fingers point back at you.”

    • Kes

      “GamerGate has move on” [sic] said the gator who came here to talk about it.

      • Shucky Ducky

        Says the guy with the same 10 people upvoting every anti gg comment.

        • Jason Zolina

          Proving… something.

      • SecretX

        you’re harassing me.

    • J Ryan

      They’ve accomplished many things – Sarkeesian on Colbert, intel investing $300 million into increasing diversity in tech, Quinn speaking before the US congress. I know they didn’t mean to achieve any of these things but Gamergate brought them about by showing how obnoxious and entitled a vocal minority of gamers are.

      • H. Guderian

        She didn’t speak before Congres. A briefing is something you pay for to talk to Congressional aides. Intel pulled their ads from gawker, and Gawker has few, if any, full paying advertisers left. Restored via 3rd party, yeah, but at vastly reduced rates. 120 cases of nondisclosure revealed and revised FTC rules are also things you left out.

        • J Ryan

          Lord you guys can’t even get your own victories straight. Intel pulled ads from gamasutra after GG lied to them, they quickly rectified the mistake.

        • Matthew Long

          Gawker still experiences huge profits, somehow…

          • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

            And Polygon and Kotaku readership continues to grow as well. I can almost taste the salty tears of GG supporters from here.

      • brando55

        Except all the attention and money is 100% loss, because those two are scammers. Give them more! Even if you never wake up, it means you have less.

      • SecretX

        Never said anything about not accomplishing anything. and the congress thing was a hearing i think people could choose to go or not.

        And Gamers are still higher than those three since sarkeessian just talk about her hate mob not her crazy views on the gaming world.

    • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

      The only people?
      You forget so fast the industry itself talks about GG. As a bad joke. Remember GDC?

      • SecretX

        That’s not part of gaming industry just business people promoting stuff.
        And there’s no such thing as a gaming industry since gamers only care about steam, sony, MS and Nintendo.

        Nintendo FTW! Let the consoles War begin!

        • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

          I’d say that business people promoting stuff, as well as the developers creating that stuff to be sold would be the very definition of an industry 😉

          Nintendo for the win! Y’know, if they can learn not to so backwards when it comes to the current social climate. I’m sure their image can withstand a few Let’s Players slipping the ocassional cuss.

          My prediction for the console wars? Turns out the Phantom was never vaporware, it was just biding its time, waiting for the right moment to strike…

  • Vincent DuDouze

    Just another one-sided hit-piece. “Zoe is an angel.” “As she is a woman, she must be the victim.”

    Your article is just missing some neutral point of view.

    —————————–

    Was Zoe harassed ?

    You said “Quinn is […] routinely receives misogynistic threats from strangers [before she met Gjoni].” So you have to prove the “Zoe Post” changed something.

    I know Zoe had problems with Wizardchan forum. She was a member of the forum. They claim she lied about them harassing her after some disagreement. This was before the breakup.

    With one incident we can trust the victim. With many unrelated people saying she’s lying, this is a conspiracy theory against her or she’s just a liar.

    Anyway #GamerGate is about ethics in journalism : just like checking the true is this article. So Zoe was not harassed by #GamerGate !

    —————————-

    Anachronism : you place Anita’s video about GTA V before the breakup. This is false.

    —————————–

    You said “She’d won acclaim for creating an impressionistic video game called Depression Quest.”

    Actually, no ! That’s the whole point : Depression Quest is a text-based “game”, which is not fun. The purpose of the “game” is to make the player fell the depression : no one wants to be depressed.

    The game is just boring by design !

    —————————–

    You said “The Zoe Post was approved by several game-dev women” !?

    I think some of them should have met Zoe. You’re just proving how the Zoe Post is true.

    —————————–

    So Zoe had many friends to fix her wikipedia page, and to censor Penny Arcade and SomethingAwful : who is the real defenseless victim here ?

    —————————–

    By ignoring women who support #GamerGate with #NotYourShield, you’re just… sexist

    —————————–

    So Brianna Wu lives in Arlington : this information should be useful to harassers…

    —————————–

    a sequel to “The Zoe Post” ? As #GamerGate is about ethics and not about harassing Zoe, Brianna or Anita, I don’t see the point.

    —————————–

    The only achievement of Zoe is “being harassed” and she gets 4150$ a month on patreon for this. She is the definition of a professional victim.

    • Matthew Long

      This is probably the funniest part of this screed:

      “Actually, no ! That’s the whole point : Depression Quest is a text-based “game”, which is not fun. The purpose of the “game” is to make the player fell the depression : no one wants to be depressed.”

      Shit, why do people go see sad movies? Read sad books? Sad plays?

      • Snoopy

        Probably to feel better about their own lives. But that’s missing the point: Many people who suffer from depression have spoken out about DQ and will gladly tell anyone who’s willing to listen, that DQ is a load of pretentious horsecr*p and does in no meaningful way portray what it’s like to live with depression. And that means, regardless of what her benefit-journofriends write, her game is a complete and utter failure.

        • Matthew Long

          WTF is wrong with you, asshole? I suffer from depression, and sometimes building EMPATHY in other people is fucking critical to understanding how destructive the illness is. Go fuck yourself.

          • Bad News

            No, you don’t suffer from depression. You’re just another self diagnosed, self centered asshole whose trying to make himself immune to criticism.

          • Matthew Long

            Hey asshole, what would you like me to provide you? A photo of the prescription medication I take? A note from my psychiatrist? His number?

          • Jason Zolina

            Don’t do it bro.

          • Wavinator

            “Go f*ck yourself’
            Ah, the dulcet sounds of empathy. How could anyone resist?

        • Frieda

          Uh huh. You choose to accept those peoples’ opinions as truth. The dozens of good reviews and awards DQ got? Those you choose to believe are collusion somehow. Anything except this outlandish idea that different people have different tastes. Absurd!

          • Snoopy

            If I wanna know what it’s like to be being pathologically depressed, I will ask people who are actually pathologically depressed. It’s called “first hand experience”.
            If I wanna know how it is getting my c*ck sucked for favorable reviews, I will ask a bunch of incestuous game journos.

      • Vincent DuDouze

        Sadness is not depression.

        Anyway the real question was : is this true ?

        <>

        Finding a good rating is challenging. This is not what a “acclaim” is supposed to be !

        http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/depression-quest
        1.7/10

        http://operationrainfall.com/2014/08/26/review-depression-quest/

        1.5/5

        http://techraptor.net/content/depression-quest-review-someone-depression

        2.23/5

        http://www.ign.com/games/depression-quest/pc-160932

        3.6/15 > comment : “awful”

        http://www.jeuxvideo.com/jeux/pc/00053960-depression-quest.htm
        8/20

        http://ramblingfoxreviews.blogspot.fr/2014/08/depression-quest-quick-review.html

        5/10

        http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/739988-depression-quest

        Reader review : 2/10

        Critic review : 5/10

        votes : 1.01/5 comment #4 lowest rated PC adventure / #11 on PC

    • Jason Zolina

      Fuck you’re slow.

  • willow

    This is too savage I love it

  • Sheryl Nantus

    Sounds like this guy needs some serious counselling – there’s times when you need to accept a break up and walk away. This guy needs to accept the obvious and get his act together. She doesn’t want him and he seems to not be able to figure that one out. Definitely a guy I wouldn’t want to work with or for – man’s got issues. Sad to see.

    • H. Guderian

      He should. Nothing good could have come from his talk, especially since there’s a restraining order she took out on him to keep him silent. In everything that’s gone on, his role is long over. Take a break and focus on your career (which he had destroyed by this, and articles like this about him).

    • Shucky Ducky

      https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23
      Counseling? For what? Being in an abusive relationship maybe.
      Are you really defending a woman for cheating on her boyfriend with 5 people and claiming that it was just because “she didn’t really want him” and so he just needs to get over it? If the genders were reversed this defense would never be used. Should he have figured out that she was cheating on him? Are we really victim blaming here?

      Just flip this around, a guy cheats on his girlfriend with 5 other women, and when she posts a grievance blog, people tell her to just grow up, she should have known, and is so gross a person that no one should ever want to work with them again….
      Sounds about right right?

  • David

    What’s odd about the comments section is looking through it most of the comments are made by the same 10-20 people who are critical of GamerGate. They’ve been sitting on the article for hours commenting and made in some cases 30-100 comments. It even looks like some of these accounts were created today. Not creepy or sad at all.

    • Snoopy

      The “damsel in distress” trope is very strong in the US. No clue why, but that’s how it is, and most people can’t muster the neccessary brain power to free themselves from these tropes.

      Not by accident, some 40% of US americans believe in creationism – unique among civilised countries. Probably the same numbers of college students believe in the invisible “Patriarchy” as well LOL.

    • Jezzer

      Would you say it was more or less sad than the Kotaku In Action thread from a day or two ago organizing GG’s attack on this article’s comments?

      • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

        Except no real Gator would ever brigade a comments section. Those are just third party trolls who have nothing to do with the movement (except the exact same talking points, mentality, and overall goals) 😉

        • Jason Zolina

          Swamps have notoriously bad internet.

          • http://SomeGuyInAWaistcoat.com/ Some Guy In A Waistcoat

            But I heard swamps were full of vines!

            … I’ll see myself out.

      • David

        Citation? I didn’t go through all 700 comments but all I could see was the same critics of GG commenting on here with only about 10 upvotes.

        If KiA was really organizing comments on this don’t you think there would be more than 10+ upvotes on their comments, and they would be at the top?

    • Casey Snow

      Dude, what’s creepy and sad is 8chan’s /gamergatehq/ board spending over a hundred posts talking about how Zoe looks in the article’s photo.

      • David

        I don’t visit 8chan. I also don’t care about that kind of celebrity gossip.

        • Casey Snow

          Then you clearly don’t have the whole picture of gamergate.

          • David

            I witnessed the story from the beginning. I’m quite familiar. It doesn’t matter what people say about someone’s looks. People do that all the time with celebrities all over the internet. People are human as well. You can’t expect them to be perfect and PC all the time.

            There is a reason there’s an E network, TMZ, and all those other celebrity gossip magazines. Some people are interested in it. Just like some people are interested in sex scandals like Tiger Woods or Anthony Wiener. I’m typically not interested in this garbage but it’s something you have to acknowledge others are.

          • Casey Snow

            Hey, I’m with ya there. But you’re the one calling out the GG critics over something relatively benign. I’m just putting your criticism into its proper context.

          • Shucky Ducky

            Your words have already proven you don’t have the whole picture of gamergate. Prove the majority of the threads on gamergate 8ch boards are zoe based?
            You can’t, because they aren’t.
            Don’t insult peoples intelligence to pretend that zoe is so interesting people would endlessly discuss her for 8 months. No, they only bring her up when she’s inserted into the conversation, like with yet another hit piece article like this one.
            The proper context is defenders of zoe spending this much ink defending a person who simply doesn’t merit it based on what she’s actually done. By no measure, moral or ethical is this person worth defending, the long string of false accusations and damage she’s left in her wake is just incredible, and all excused under the banner of benevolent sexism.

          • Casey Snow

            I never said that the majority of the boards there were about Zoe. Why should I need to prove that?

      • Shucky Ducky

        What’s creepy is you looking for Quinn pictures on gamergatehq when most of the threads don’t cover quinn.
        But misrepresenting reality…this has become the norm for anti GamerGate people.

        • Casey Snow

          I went there looking to see what 8chan’s faction of gamergate thought of this article. I don’t care about what Zoe looks like. And they are discussing it: deny it however you want.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Ghazi doesn’t have much to do these days. As they build their case on lies they have no where to go, too many lies to keep straight, to few actual points to make.

      • Casey Snow

        We don’t have much to do because gamergate is running on fumes. I keep checking in on KiA and 8chan to see what GG is up to next and it’s all just “hey… let’s hi-jack this trending hashtag!” Again… and again… and again. Y’all have become monotonous and boring.

    • hams

      Yeah I created my account today because I only just saw the article today. I post a lot because of all the dipshit arguments presented by the GG boiz. It’s like whack-a-mole, it’s so easy to smush them but there’s so many! Logic-bros are kinda low hanging fruit, I admit. For all their professed love of logic the actual application of it seems beyond them

      • David

        I see. You created and made over 160 comments in a single day on one article. That’s not weird at all.

        • hams

          What’s weird is how a group that claims to only care about ethics in games journalism, who says they don’t care about ZQ, pops out of the fuckin woodwork every time her name gets so much as mentioned. Last night the actor who played Worf on TNG backed up ZQ on twitter and within minutes you goons were in his mentions furiously trying to convince SOMEONE that it was a horrible conspiracy!

          I’m here for two reasons. I care more about women being in the gaming industry than I care about the sweaty nerds trying to keep them out.

          I love whipping melvins in arguments. They think they’re extremely good at it and it’s really fun sweeping someone’s arrogance from under them.

  • Kamille

    why never talk about all the people that Zoe has harassed, doxxed and even the game jams she has ruined just because she did not like the people that ran it? Or what about her anti-harassment company in which one of the Ceo engages in targeted harassment? There is prove everywhere if you’re willing to spend a minute or two looking for it. Zoe is no angel, she’s actually an abuser and pathological liar.

    • Cat Reid

      Yes, let’s trust gamergate where they have spent 8 months obsessively crowdsourcing misinformation about ZQ in vast attempts to discredit her. Right. You seem VERY believable!

      • Shucky Ducky

        Which is funny because that hasn’t happened, if gamergate had crowd sourced information on her for 8 months there would be book volumes of material on her, but there aren’t. Not many people look into her deep past, beyond the fact that she goes through names like candy..quinn isnt’ a real name, people don’t know much about her past because she is literaly ignored until she inserts herself into the discussion, or someone writes a hit piece like this. Sorry but go look at the time line, when quinn went on her european vacation, which she planned before gamergate started and still had the gall to take it as an opportunity to claim she was just fleeing to europe because of gamergate…during her absence, mention of her dropped to almost zero, because people don’t care about her.
        Quite literally, in Internet Aristocrats first quinnspiracy video, the one which garnered almost a million views in its original upload, he dismisses her as relevant within the first third of the video. This is how its been from the start, and yet, the media paints a lie, through literally hundreds of articles on this woman at this point. Its really tiresome.
        What’s unbelievable is that you think a huge group of people would fixate on this nobody, let alone for 8 months.

        • hams

          “Not many people look into her deep past,”

          Lol you say that right before you start to talk about her past. I saw you have quite a few screenshots about her on hand too! But no, it’s not about her!

        • Cat Reid

          I am unsure if you have the self awareness to understand how creepy and obsessed you sound.

  • http://vectorpress.blogspot.com/ tpkroger

    This Gjoni twerp needs to grow up. “Baw, the mean girl broke up with me!” sounds stupid even when coming from a teenager.

    • David

      I’d be a bit wary of trusting this article. It’s tabloid level garbage and the author is purposely deceiving readers. After Gjoni came out with his blog post, 3 other women came out about their experiences with Quinn as well. There was also a feminist charity/contest that she also killed. All these different people all painting similar portraits that Quinn lies, manipulates, or uses people. I don’t even think any of them know each other, they just knew Quinn.

      Someone who has done developer interviews on Youtube said they reached out to devs about Quinn. He said he knows someone who is in therapy due to whatever she did to them. He refused to go into details because the person wished to remain anonymous or wasn’t ready to confront the person. I don’t blame them. All these people who came out about this person and she still gets defended and there are still interviews about her 8 months later. If she really wanted this to be over she wouldn’t continue to do interviews about it.

      • Jezzer

        “We don’t care about Zoe Quinn!”

        *spends an entire day bashing Zoe Quinn*

        • Shucky Ducky

          Order of events missing from your thought process.
          Hundreds of articles bashing gamers and creating a victim narrative of quinn come out for over 8 months now.
          People are just correcting the record.

          • CliveRogan

            The victim narrative has been present since the moment the zoe post was created, long before really given the torrent of abuse that’s long been thrown Quinn’s way. Journalists didn’t make that narrative, they were and are merely reporting on it.

          • http://texrat.net/ texrat

            Try it with actual facts and logic.

        • Smazeli

          Who are you quoting? Did you mean to reply to another post?

      • RKMK

        If you stop wanking while typing, your thoughts may become not-ridiculous. FOCUS YOUNG MAN. FOCUS.

  • Syn –

    Damn, lewis’ law in full effect down here. I’m out, abandon thread!

  • Mizahnyx

    I supported Zoe from day one of “#Quinnspiracy”, the original tag concocted by some 4chan users to spread the Zoe post. I don’t condone or support harassment towards her.

    However I don’t either condone a culture of game critics and journalists that want to impose their radical-progressive views on gaming. Dictating what they feel gaming “should” be and shitting on everything else that is not “ideologically pure”. Spearheading Zoe Quinn and her game as a paragon, a materialization of their ideals even against her own wellbeing and safety.

    “Depression Quest” is understandably a cathartic, very personal game, however, even despite that, IMHO is not even the best Twine game I’ve played (Sacrilege probably could get that position, however, my likings and tastes are subjective).

    I don’t support the GamerGate of harassment, red MSPaint lines, personalized death/rape threats, conspiracies and defamation. I support the GamerGate of healing between developers, gamers and critics, of creating alternative views and games, of rejecting censoring and smearing of developers (like it happened to the devs of Hatred and Huniepop), of respecting all gaming spaces and their cultures, no matter how different they could be.

    • David

      Considering more men and women have been doxxed or threatened on the GG hashtag, I think it’s safe to assume there are third party trolls attacking both sides of the issue. I haven’t seen any sort of organized harassment on the hashtag from people in GG.

    • HobokenGary

      What radical views are you talking about, specifically? Who, also specifically, are they and what have they said that make you believe they are trying to, and have the power to, dictate content?

      • Mizahnyx

        What radical views?

        The idea that by engaging interactively with a game that has elements not endorsed by their progressive worldviews makes you complicit in the situations depicted in such games, by example. The idea that the representation should be flawless according to their theories, erasing the importance of games who come from different cultures. The stereotyping and belittling of people who have made games an important part of their lives by prominent critics, for the actions of a psychopatical minority that already had commited many outrageous acts in online spaces mostly unrelated to gaming.

        Who?
        By example, the journos who tried to paint the Hatred developers as neonazis in order to boycott the game. Or the ones who tried to portray the Huniepop developers as mysogynists in order to boycott also that game. Or the ones who decided that the cause of GamerGate harassment was developers choosing gamers as target audience, ignoring ongoing scientific research on online toxicity.

        What makes me believe they have the power to dictate content?
        The mainstream of gamers follow sites and journalists not very interested in critical views of gaming. However, the part of gaming journalism and critic that caters to those gamers that want to dig more and more on the influences and impact of the games they love, as a rule are more interested in projecting a specific world view over their audience than trying to do a disapassionate analysis of games. In this case, games like “Depression Quest” by Zoe Quinn get pulled into the focus because they are ideologically aligned with the general consensus of game critics, while games that could be seen as more innovative but are considered as against their principles get minimal or negative critical reviews, by example, “Castle Doctrine” by Jason Rohrer.

        • MinaJen

          ……I thought it was about encouraging diversity in gaming, and offering criticisms of the tropes and narratives commonly found in Triple A games, especially as videogames become a more pronounced part of media consumption?

          • iLoveGames

            I think it’s a bit more than “offering criticism” of the tropes. These so called “critics” (like Anita Sarkeesian) want to completely dispel the tropes and replace them with their ideologically aligned narratives. The problem is that these tropes are tested, accepted, and successful means of telling a story and have just as much a right to exist as anything else. If people truly disagree with these tropes then perhaps they should make their own games and use their own plot devices. However most people lack the talent or knowledge necessary so they just complain and complain until some AAA dev changes things for them. But that’s where the pushback comes from. If you want a good example of devs or artists changing something for ideologues…look at fem-thor. Changing a beloved character into a female? Sure that will satisfy the very vocal minority, but what about the majority of your fans? And what happened – the comic sold terribly, almost not at all. After it’s first issue it was cancelled because the fans just didn’t want it.

            That’s the situation we’re in with gaming. Fans of games don’t want all this ideological bull crap being pushed in games. We’re fine with diversity and all, but pushing your agendas on us isn’t cool. Same for journalism. We read/watch game reviews to get an objective review of the GAME not what you think it’s political message is.

            What’s worse is that the game journos don’t see who their audience is. They think these Social Justice Warriors are their true audience but forget who’s read their sites and watched their videos since the beginning. They forget who their primary audience is; Gamers. Imagine if Apple suddenly decided to ship all their mobile devices with android and all their computers with windows, because a few very vocal individuals complained about iOS …how upset would their customers be. VERY.

          • MinaJen

            Uh……

            Well, I don’t see it that way. Honestly? I play games. I rather enjoy games that have female protagonists. Or the option to pick a female character over a male one. I’ve bought Beyond Good and Evil on several platforms, and loved the shit out of Eternal Darkness. Or, I do appreciate games that make female characters something other than T and A. Or, sometimes I just enjoy a female placeholder, so I tend to play the female characters in Borderlands since that option is made to me. When I play Call of Duty, I don’t have much of a choice, but now that I do, I’m a little more invested in the game, I admit. I’m a customer, and I think that I’ve got every right to see my wants met – and that includes developed female characters and a lack of sexualized violence – as much as others.

            For my own personal anecdote, that whole deal with the Warcraft game that only had one female body type among how many characters, and then they introduced the heavier, stockier lady? My sister’s excitement for the game, which was already pretty high, went up even further! It’s representation and diversity, in a way that really didn’t negatively impact the game. You can chalk it up to SJW nonsense, or you can say that by expanding the game, they’ve expanded the market for that game.

            I mean, I’ve watched all of the Sarkeesian videos, and to me, she was pointing out the repeated instances on some very old and often used tropes, and made criticisms of them. I didn’t see her saying that all games should not have this ever, but explaining the use of these images and motifs and what they mean on a larger scale in regards to our culture, and exploring those tropes within the context of video games, as they get more popular?

            As much as these tropes may have a right to exist, people have a right to criticize their existence and what they mean. And then people have a right to criticize those people, and vice versa. Not threaten.

            There are places that are going to review the game as a story, and what that story means. There are places that are going to review the mechanics and their success. There will be places that review both. Someone concerned about the game play isn’t going to care very much about the story, and vice versa.

            Also, the female Thor comics are outselling the previous Thor series by 30%. And even then, it’s hard to argue the success of Fem Thor when you consider the issues comics have at hand:

            “This trend continues across the follow four issues of each series, female Thor up by roughly 30%, despite the overall sales numbers of both series declining after the first issue.”

            http://www.slashgear.com/marvels-female-thor-comics-selling-30-more-than-previous-series-22374711/

            I mean, bringing up the whole “Social Justice Warrior” angle seems a little ridiculous. I’m sure that people who didn’t mind blackface had similar comments about those that saw it as racist and degrading and advocated for real black performers, and we don’t see so many minstrel shows being popular nowadays.

          • hams

            “Changing a beloved character into a female? Sure that will satisfy the very vocal minority, but what about the majority of your fans? And what happened – the comic sold terribly, almost not at all. After it’s first issue it was cancelled because the fans just didn’t want it.”

            So you’re ok with Thor being a Frog? It’s ok for an amphibian to wield Mjolnir, but a woman? OH NO MAH CANON. If you don’t have a problem with women, why do you have a problem with female characters?

            Also the sales were fine, pretty similar to other non-mainline marvel titles. It wasn’t canceled after the first issue either. Ya’ll love facts but you hate to use em.

          • hams

            Oh I forgot: More than half the population of the planet is women, what the fuck makes you think you OWN gaming? Misogynists like you have been screaming for decades about keeping the sexism in games. Soon enough you’ll be irrelevant. Hold on to the rage kiddo, soon it will be all you have.

        • HobokenGary

          I’m tight on time so I’m only going to have time to hit a couple of the things you’ve mentioned. Sorry.

          I’m not sure which specific game you’re talking about, Hatred maybe? I think the critiques of that game were that it was stupid & shallow. All the major sites GG usually hates all gave games like GTA 5 stellar reviews despite it having a pretty unprogressive mentality.

          I’m not sure how many “prominent” critics there even are, and of them, Leigh Alexander isn’t on the list. The other articles surrounding that were all commentary on her (and another article who’s author escapes me), and nearly all of them made the distinction that when she described the type of person game developers should stop catering to she didn’t mean ALL gamers. Looking at those sites you find an uncountable number of articles about how gamers are doing really cool things, and very, very few (single digits mostly) that focus on the darker sides of game culture. Looking at the events of August 2014 (ZQ threats, Anita Sarkeesian threats, multiple SWATings, Lizard Squad bringing PSN down, as well as a commercial airliner with a Sony exec on board), the gaming press would be remiss to NOT cover and criticize the culture that allows these things to happen and find it if not acceptable behavior, certainly tolerable.

          As I understand it, some of the Hatred guys while not being neonazis, are fans of neonazis. If there’s a huge difference there, I’m not sure I can see it.

          I’ve never heard of Huniepop, pro or anti, so I can’t speak to that.

          Kotaku and Polygon, whose web traffic runs in the millions, tend to be the targets of a lot of the GG anger for their critical views of gaming, count as mainstream gaming sites.

          I don’t think having the opinion “clinical depression sucks” can be defined as an ideology. DQ got good reviews because it effectively made the player feel what it’s like to suffer from depression, and it caught plenty of flack for being simplistic in both it’s design and it’s message.

          Castle Doctrine got a fair number of reviews, even from sites that rarely cover indie games, saying it was ignored is a stretch, and reading through the reviews, there seemed to be plenty of complaints about the game as a game as well as it’s ham fisted message. For a game that put it’s message up front, it’s certainly fair game to judge how that message appealed to any particular reviewer, reviews are supposed to be an individual’s opinion, and that includes a game’s message.

  • Experiment #626

    this has got to be the most biased article I have ever seen. Make ZQ look like a queen despite her actions and make eron look like the villain. I don’t give a shit about anyone’s sex life only children would care. this has nothing to do with #gamergate

  • Daniel Hemingway

    This guy should get sued for defamation/slander/libel and then fired for being the shittiest reporter of the bunch.

    Like, Gosh, Quinn’s so brave to slag off a guy she abused and who can’t defend himself because of a constitutionally illegal gag-order she got him slapped with on fraudulent grounds.

    And about the article itself:

    1) Brianna Wu wasn’t even a thing till she inserted herself into this mess.
    2) The article fails to mention how Sarkeesian canceled that Utah conference despite the police concluding there was no threat.
    3) And even more interestingly the author doesn’t even discuss the substance or allegations of Gjoni’s post, even though the bulk of it has been verified and most of it reveals that Quinn is rather scummy and less of a heroic figure then the article tries to paint her as.
    4) Even more bizarre is how it pretends she’s even still a thing.

    tldr: This is glorified libel.

    • MinaJen

      Wow, because all those rape and death threats? Just trollolololol, right?

      • Calloway McSmithing

        The biggest flaw with this article is that it doesn’t give ANY facts about giraffes.

      • utera

        You mean like this?
        Or did you mean the doxing and ddosing she subjected tyfc to because they were competition for her own game jam?

        • MinaJen

          Two wrongs don’t make a right, and we have channels for that called “Laws” which I”m sure TFYC have every right to pursue against her if they so chose.

          But that would also mean supporting Zoe Quinn’s right to legal action against Gjoni, and that would mean admitting he’s breaking the law as well.

          And that justifies rape and death threats how, exactly?

          Tell me, how do you view the activity against Brianna Wu? Anita Sarkeesian? Hell, the countless other people mentioned and not mentioned in this article who have faced unwarranted vitriol for….not agreeing with other people?

      • Redronn

        When people like her count obvious Twitter trolls as serious harassers, you’ll have to excuse us if we can’t take her seriously. 😛

        • MinaJen

          Well, since some of those trolls have posted her private information, and that of her family’s, as her job, and others’ have been effected by those trolls – maybe she should be taken seriously.

          • iLoveGames

            Because having someone’s private information amounts to what? I could have Zoe’s address in minutes but I’m almost certain that I live too far away to even think of doing anything about it. Even if I lived in the same state, or hell the same city, I’m a gamer…I’m too damn lazy to get out of my computer chair, pause GTA V, and go hurt someone. I think your first mistake is over estimating what gamers and other denizens of the internet are actually capable of. The number of internet trolls who took actual real world action is literally almost 0. And think about this logically. If someone REALLY wanted to hurt another person would they announce it to the entire world via social media before carrying out their deed? “I’m going to go kill the president! See you guys in an hour!” I’m pretty sure the president would be moved to a safe location within minutes. “I’m going to go kill Zoe Quinn!” Quinn would no doubt be notified and would call the police. To believe that internet trolls have any bearing on reality is to subject yourself to needless fear.

          • MinaJen

            And what happens when we underestimate?

            I mean, we’ve had political situations where people have announced their intentions before hand, and where people have claimed responsibility afterward for the sake of idealogies, well documented hategroups who have undertaken some heinous shit and weren’t exactly subtle about how much they hated, and how violent they were intending to be.

            I mean, having someone’s private information – identity theft, anyone? Not only could mess someone up with credit cards and fraudulent purchases, you can, with their information, sign them up for shit, you can mail in things to their employers – fuck, the possibilities can be endless, all with a social security number and a date of birth.

            And Zoe has moved, when she’s been confronted with these threats, per the article, moved to other places, stayed with friends. Wasn’t there the very public case of someone making a video stating he was going to fuck up Brianna Wu and actually driving by her house at one point?

            Better safe than sorry. And this is more than, “I’m going to go kill Zoe Quinn, bye guys!” This is more than one individual saying specifically what they plan do to her, including rape, including murder, and then having the information where she lives.

            I know if someone said that to me, and had my personal information, I would call the police. Because that one time.

            Elliot Rodger made a youtube video before he straight up murdered people. Is that incident one a million? Yes, it is. But it wasn’t just one video. It was the latest in a string of posts, videos, etc – and then, he was just one in a million who didn’t do anything, until he did. If anyone of the UCSB Sorority had seen that video, would you have told them, “It’s the internet. He’s not going to do anything, the chances of that happening are one in a million.”

            Because he was that one in a million. And six women, three men are now dead, with fourteen more injured.

          • hams

            I guess that makes it all ok then

      • thanatos388

        Because an actual killer or rapist will announce it on the internet first right? You may have noticed that beyond twitter trolls who get blocked immediately and/or are reported she hasn’t suffered at all by any of this. Instead she just become mildly famous.

      • Daniel Hemingway

        Citation needed. “All those death threats,” should be pretty easy to find, Mina. Or is this gonna be like what happened to PeanutButterGamer, where the person talked a big show about how “I’d need to buy a hard drive to doccument all the Gamergate harassment,” and PBG responded with “Then one or two threats shouldn’t be impossible to find, then.” I don’t think he ever got a response.

        tldr: Put your money where your mouth is and post some evidence.

  • PlainOldTruth

    HO
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  • Nami

    Find it funny the bit at the end says “We reserve the right to remove impersonators or personal attacks, threats, profanity, or flat-out offensive comments” when this “article” is nothing more than a well made hateblog.

  • Clayton Weaver

    This article made me laugh myself to tears. The only ones that keep bringing up Quinn are Anti-gamergaters and the media. GamerGate haven’t bothered mentioning her after the first month of the movement and those who have mentioned her are usually just stating facts about what Quinn has done. The author is either a friend of Quinn’s or just blatantly ignoring the facts to sell his narrative to help Quinn’s victim claims.

    For example, Eron Gjoni shows replies from Quinn where she admits to cheating on him with the men he lists (of which they all are in a position to promote her career). Nathan Grayson was friends with Quinn when he covered her failed game jam and name dropped her game in an article (which he didn’t disclose).

    Quinn made it so the feminist group The Fine Young Capitalists had to stop a contest they were doing because Quinn spread lies which cost them any coverage (which GamerGate ended up doing a charity for and helping TFYC do their contest).

    Then we get to Depression Quest which had backlash from those suffering from depression saying her game trivialized what they go through on a daily basis.

    The media has ignored all the facts to sell a sensationalized story. At least the Australian news network admitted as much while the US still claim they only want to tell the truth.

    If GamerGate is a hate mob looking to chase women out of gaming, then why are there so many female developers and gamers that are pro-gamergate? If GamerGate isn’t about ethics, then why did so many game news sites rewrite their ethics policies and several of the journalists in question were fired? Kim Crawley is a great example of this, wrote an article with obvious lies that the company she wrote for fired her on those grounds, but she instantly blamed GamerGate for her inability to tell the truth. If GamerGate is about hate, why have they collected money for so many different charities? If GamerGate hates women like the media claims, why would they help a female developer (Jennifer Dawe) to get her game greenlighted on steam instead of joining Anti’s in boycotting her? Why would they have helped The Fine Young Capitalists, a feminist group that wanted to help women turn game ideas into actual games (which Quinn damn near ruined until GamerGate donated money and bailed them out).

    Hell, I didn’t even know about this article until an anti-gamergate member (A man in black) tweeted it under the GamerGate hashtag. I’ve said from the beginning I don’t care how many people Quinn sleeps with or cheats on as it is her body and personal life, but I do care if indies developers are being ignored by game journalists because they aren’t in this special clique to get coverage or on the bad side of Quinn.

    I’m an indie developer and while working on a project I keep wondering if my game will get any coverage or not since I’m not part of the small clique that seems to be Quinn, Wu, Sarkeesian, McIntosh, and the other journalists that are chomping at the bit to sell Quinn and the one-sided narrative of Anti-GamerGate.

    • Calloway McSmithing

      “Nobody in GamerGate talks about Zoe Quinn anymore,” he said before writing a seven paragraph biography of Zoe Quinn.

      • utera

        She’s talked about when its forced on people, as has been done with articles like this, and when she’s involved in pushing for legislation or whatever nonsense she’s involved it. Don’t pretend this was an article written by gamergate. Its just yet another of a long line of “poor zoe” articles out there, there are literally hundreds at this point, so set that record straight, the media and anti GG fixate and endlessly talk about quinn because they have nothing to say about the actual charges GG makes, their corruption is a given at this point, and so all they can do is hide behind a woman.
        Its no surprise that the way they attempted to shut up Jullian Assange was to trump up rape charges against him, its the most effective way to try to silence people, claim they are “abusing the women”.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “She’s talked about when it’s forced on people,” he said when replying to an article no one forced him to read.

          • utera

            When the media attacks, sorry but disinformation is something we react to because its a vicious smear.

          • Calloway McSmithing

            “We have to respond to attacks,” he said while having a comment history filled with negativity about Brianna Wu, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

          • Smazeli

            Surely you can figure out the difference between “attacks” and “facts which negatively reflect on the subject”.

            “After the internet discovered numerous acts of perjury in Quinn’s court deposition, she blamed the factual inconsistencies on the police officer who wrote it out. Despite the fact that it was in Quinn’s handwriting, and she was legally obligated to approve of every line of the deposition before submission”

            See that’s not a personal attack, that’s a factual account

      • a_w_young

        and a dude that’s been obsessed with it/posting about it for months, it would seem.

      • Clayton Weaver

        Seven paragraphs of facts by way of her own admission on Twitter or via screen caps to Eron Gjoni and others. Those are just some of the facts that show she isn’t a nice person. Let’s forget that though and address something else I’ve noticed…

        So you approve of the double standard then? Women who out men the same way Eron Gjoni did are praised for bringing an sexually abusive man to the attention of everyone. A guy does it and he is thrown under the bus and the sexually abusive woman is heralded as a victim.

        • Calloway McSmithing

          “Nobody in GamerGate cares about Zoe Quinn,” he said while continuing to revisit an article about Quinn two days after it was posted.

          • Clayton Weaver

            Guessing you don’t use Disqus as it allows me to reply to you without ever going to the article anymore.

            http://i.imgur.com/x3VHx9Z.png

            I haven’t visited the article since I posted my original comment. Nice way to deflect the topic though and yet at the same time speak volumes that you do approve of the double standard. Approval by omission it seems.

        • ginmar

          Yeah, no. Eron Gjoni has no credibility at all. Now that you’ve admitted you believe this low rent would be Elliot Rodger, neither do you.

  • utera

    Quinn is about the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a while, for a start, her name isn’t quinn, before quinn it was “lock valentine”, and before that it was chelsea van valkenberg.
    Her first move was to file a false dmca against mundane matt to attempt to silence his channel, false accusation 1.
    Then she filed a deliberately misleading report insinuating that the nudes on the internet were leaked by eron, when they had really been part of her professional photoshoot, lies through omission and insinuation, deliberate to make him seem like a revenge pornographer, and so she got her ex gag ordered. false accusation 2.
    She then claimed that Jordan Owen was violating her copyright or harassing her, i forget which one on this but she filed with twitter and got him suspended when it was a public picture, it was of her face, and he was in contact with the professional photographer who would grant him permission if he so needed it.
    This is how this person is, its just never ending, she claimed she fled to europe because of gamergate, we find tweets of her scheduling her european vacation before gamergate started. She is deliberately dishonest, and really how much do we actually know about her actual past considering how people are pretending people have hounded her and exposed her past when that really hasn’t happened, most people don’t even know she runs under a fake name.
    I mean really, how much of that past can you verify.
    As for trying to portray her as some poor upstart, just no, all the anti gamergate type women come from wealth or are associated with wealth. Anita has long been with Jonathan McIntosh, trust fund child. Brianna Wu has millionaire parents who will piss away 200k at a time on her vanity projects. Zoe Quinn is in a relationship with Alex Lifschitz who is a trust fund child, its a little strange for that to be coincidental. These are all well connected people, and all are dishonest to the core.
    As for the idea that the “zoe post” was something awful, she admitted she was unfaithful, 3 out of 5 are confirmed in identity, and Eron isn’t some misogynerd, he’s a radical feminist who called her out for being a fraud, not a real “sjw” as they say.
    And the hypocrisy of anti gg on this is hilarious, as Brianna Wu’s own husband wrote his own zoe post against his ex wife, but allegations of domestic abuse exist against frank.

    • Cat Reid

      Oh yes, let’s trust gamergate where they have spent 8 months obsessively crowdsourcing misinformation about ZQ in vast attempts to discredit her. Right. You seem VERY believable!

      ” for a start, her name isn’t Quinn”
      Way to shoot your credibility in the foot right out of the gate. How about you link to an incoherent conspiracy youtube vid? *looks up*
      Oh hey there, we have a gator bingo!

      • Smazeli

        Boy these guys seem to know a lot about Quinn what with all the time they spent researching more than the average reporter. Good point, why trust them?

        By the way, did you know Quinn once stabbed to death a rapist without reporting it to the police? That’s not some errant rumor, that’s something Quinn herself claimed to numerous friends and coworkers. And I take her word for it and am in NO WAY suggesting that she made up a story of being assaulted to garner sympathy. But let me know what you think:

        https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

        • Live the dream

          Quinn never lies. I know that because i am being told this in this comment section. Believing she is just a liar and not someone who doesn’t report stabbing someone would actually be trying to see her in a good light. I don’t know why the people who are defending zoe want people to believe she is someone who doesn’t report to police a stabbing is quite silly though.

    • Geoff Capriola

      oh right, because nobody has ever changed their name. who knows, i could be wrong though.

  • Calloway McSmithing

    Actually it’s about ethics in obsessive fixation and sociopathic tendencies.

    • videmus

      IKR? This “Gamergate” group lost whatever legitimate claims it had when it sent mean tweets to Zoe Quinn, just like #blacklivesmatter turned into a hate mob when it killed two NYPD officers. These groups need to be ashamed of themselves.

      • John Cobalt

        The journalists in questions did the right thing, they put their accounts to private and the one person involved who didn’t got all the questions instead and her reply was “OMG stop hating me because I’m a woman”.

        The people sending the questions got mixed up with those that hated her from prior shit she had done and while those with questions moved on to #GamerGate, people continued to confuse the two different groups on purpose.

        • videmus

          Those tweets sounds really hateful. I’m afraid they’ll start killing people like the #blacklivesmatter movement. Hopefully the President can address this and order these Gamergaters to be arrested.

      • wgone

        Zoe Quinn is a NOBODY – she is not a game developer – she is just one little example in the whole ethics issue. The only people who keep it about Zoe and other women are the ANTI Gamergaters LIKE YOU – who want the topic to remain on this silly NOBODY CARES about these insignificant women.

      • Calloway McSmithing

        -.-

        • videmus

          It indeed is sad, but we need to move on from them. They’ve all been tainted by the violence committed by their participants.

  • utera

    Video’s explaining the abusive nature of Zoe’s relationship

    Understanding the Zoepost Pt 1 | Shifting Blame & Responsibility
    sdoctmdplays

    [TW] Understanding the Zoepost Pt 2 | Withholding & Abuse
    sdoctmdplays

    Understanding the Zoe Affidavit
    https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23KrVh7YlEYl8TniV0x_rLvw

    • Calloway McSmithing

      “You can’t trust the media,” he said before linking to a bunch of YouTube videos.

      • Smazeli

        No no, he said you can’t trust “the media”. Not, “you can’t trust media”. The former refers to the press industry.

  • JD

    Oh Gamer Gate. You really are just the dumbest thing in the world aren’t you.

    • jackie901 .

      That’s not particularly nice.

      All Gamergate really wants is better journalism and an end to corruption.

      Both of those things might have saved me £40 on Alien Colonial Marines.

      • Travio

        Due to the media, unfortunately, everyone conflates the problematic movement that was the Quinnspiracy and the Gamergate movement which was founded based on media reaction to the Quinnspiracy stuff. The two get all sorts of intertwined because no one not directly affiliated with Gamergate (either by choice or consensus) has attempted to make the distinction.

      • Dr. Strangethumb

        you know what would have saved you those 40 pounds? Not preordering and reading reviews before buying the game.

        Don’t blame journalism for you being stupid.

      • MinaJen

        Still waiting to hear GamerGate take on EA, IGN, all those businesses that pay reviewers….

        Oh wait, we’re still targeting Zoe Quinn? Uh….

        • Live the dream

          Do you have evidence of corruption involving them?

          Are they journalists?

          • MinaJen

            Well, one could argue that’s the whole point of IGN, since EA is the company actually pulling this shit with reviewers and journalists….

            Oh wait, you want evidence? Can I please have the evidence to where Zoe Quinn is ruining gaming journalism as a whole?

            Or any action of GamerGate that doesn’t involve petty bullshit against people that have criticized them?

          • Smazeli

            Did you mean to reply to someone else? I’m not seeing those claims being made

            It’s generally bad form to change the subject once someone asks for evidence to back up your claims.

          • MinaJen

            It was more a reply to the “Are they Journalists” question.

            I admit, I don’t have links I can rattle off and give you, other than those easily found in search queries. Or, if you prefer, go to many of the premier gaming sites and check out the advertising there, and how it corresponds to the reviews they give those specific games.

            I’m not a journalist, I don’t have an article I can give you with all the answers. Though, in retrospect, it feels like I could ask for the same regarding the validity of the topic of the article.

            I apologize for the bad form, though.

          • Smazeli

            No problem. When you do find something relating to paid reviews, send it over to /r/KotakuInAction

          • Proto Man

            When you find something relating to an actual story on Reddit, send it to another website so people will give a shit instead of reading a hugbox of guys patting themselves on the back for being noble GGers.

          • Smazeli

            I’m sorry, did I do or say something to offend you, on a personal level? I apologize, it wasn’t my intention.

          • Proto Man

            No, I just find r/KotakuInAction, like many subreddits, to be a hugbox of people all sharing the same opinions all congratulating themselves for having the same opinions

            So nothing against you on a personal level, just the entire culture you inhabit I guess.

        • Smazeli

          Paid reviews? In the past 7 months? Where?

          • MinaJen

            You tell me ,since you’re the one about ethics on gaming journalism. I mean, that is what the movement is supposed to doing, right?

            Oh wait, we’re in a Zoe Quinn article. That’s the most important part. Making sure there’s no villification of people that make death threats and rape threats because of something between her and Enver Gjoni. Because ethics. In gaming journalism.

          • hams

            lol DUDE, the paid reviews conversation has been going on since you were in diapers. back when game journalism was strictly magazines, people talked about it. It’s not a new thing.

          • Smazeli

            Yes, I’m well aware of the general rabble, I’m asking for some actual evidence of recent paid reviews.

          • hams

            You’re hilarious and cute. You guys are willing to practically dig through ZQs underwear drawer looking for misdeeds but when it comes to scrutinizing a man you demand someone else provide proof of something that has had a far greater number of (more substantial) allegations.

            Clearly ‘recent’ isn’t that important, since months and months later you’re still after ZQ. If you guys care so fucking much about gaming journalism, why aren’t you looking for proof of paid reviews? Oh right, because you can’t get your revenge porn without rushing to defend some dude from the evil lying woman strawman you’ve all got in your closets.

          • Smazeli

            “You’re hilarious and cute. You guys are willing to practically dig through ZQs underwear drawer looking for misdeeds but when it comes to scrutinizing a man you demand someone else provide proof of something that has had a far greater number of (more substantial) allegations.”

            Yes, I am being scrutinizing in both cases. What’s the problem with forming conclusions AFTER seeing evidence?

            “If you guys care so fucking much about gaming journalism, why aren’t you looking for proof of paid reviews?”

            You are…replying to a post in which I just asked for any information about paid reviews. Do you know of any? Please tell me. I am BEGGING you

            “without rushing to defend some dude from the evil lying woman strawman you’ve all got in your closets.”

            What strawman? Everything I’ve said about Quinn is accurate, and I’ve been able to prove them, with citations.

          • hams

            Do you know what citations means? It doesn’t mean facebook chat logs. It doesn’t mean 100% of the ‘evidence’ coming from one person.

            Sorry I haven’t done your ethics in gaming journalism job for you. I don’t give a shit about paid reviews because I don’t give a shit about gaming journalism. I’m questioning why GG puts so little effort into anything that isn’t attacking and defaming a woman?

          • Smazeli

            So, you don’t know about any paid reviews, but are certain they’re happening? I’m sorry for asking, I sincerely wanted to know if you heard of any

            “I’m questioning why GG puts so little effort into anything that isn’t attacking and defaming a woman?”

            They do. You’re just unaware because the media thinks mean tweets are more newsworthy than money raised for charity.

            “Do you know what citations means? It doesn’t mean facebook chat logs.”

            Why don’t facebook chat logs count? They’re a record of Quinn’s conversations, in which she admits to the affairs. Are you suggesting they’re fake? Because Gjoni posted videos of himself logging into facebook and browsing the same chatlogs.

          • hams

            NOT DIFFICULT TO FAKE. Entire websites can be faked, he certainly had enough time to do it. If chinese gold farmers can replicate the entire world of warcraft site to snoop passwords, faking a facebook chat is pretty fucking easy. It’s not proof, sorry dude. Maybe a voice recording but oh, I guess he never thought to try that huh?

            Ok so now you think there aren’t any paid reviews happening at all? Not even suspicious of it? OK. That’s on you, not me. I think ethics in games journalism is about as fuckin clown college as it gets, remember?

            I’m not unaware, I just don’t think a paltry amount of money to charity balances out an avalanche of stalking, death threats, and rape threats. Ya’ll are trying to stick up for GG in here but you can’t refrain from being misogynist for long enough to do that!

            Your evidence is so fucking weak. I’ve seen chemtrail dudes and moon landing denialists present a better claim than you melvins

          • Smazeli

            “NOT DIFFICULT TO FAKE. Entire websites can be faked, he certainly had
            enough time to do it. If chinese gold farmers can replicate the entire
            world of warcraft site to snoop passwords, faking a facebook chat is
            pretty fucking easy. It’s not proof, sorry dude.”

            To clarify, no chinese gold farmers have ever cloned the entire world of warcraft site. At best they’ve recreated the frontpage login, which is relatively minor. But Gjoni uploaded a video of him logging into and browsing facebook to show off the chatlogs. You did see it, right? Are you suggesting he personally recreated a fully-functioning facebook and their proprietary chat app? Please tell me. Also, if they were fake, wouldn’t Quinn say so at some point? She’s never even attempted to deny them.

            “Ok so now you think there aren’t any paid reviews happening at all? Not even suspicious of it? OK.”

            I never said that. I am suspicious, which is why I asked you to tell me anything you know about paid reviews, because I would LOVE to know about them. I mean if you’re so certain, then you should have some evidence, right?

            “I’m not unaware, I just don’t think a paltry amount of money to charity
            balances out an avalanche of stalking, death threats, and rape threats.”

            I wouldn’t consider $130,000+ trivial. And unlike the “avalanche”, it can be proven that the donated money exists.

            By the way did you personally see all the stalking and rape threats? Because I asked Quinn to show us some and she blocked me. So did Brianna Wu. Weird huh?

            “but you can’t refrain from being misogynist for long enough to do that!”

            What have I written that approaches misogyny?

      • Michael Lindsay

        And that’s why they are all here shouting about an obscure developer who produced a free game.

        Uh huh.

    • PAZ

      I’m sorry but this is totally unfair to the other dumbest things in the world that don’t want have anything to do with GamerGate

    • FullMcIntwit

      At least we can back ourselves with facts. Media rather spoon feed the stupid a false narrative. Just asked the UVA frats how it felt to be Rolled and Stoned.

      • Proto Man

        Yes those poor frats having their noble names dragged through the mud. Won’t somebody stand up for the frat boys?

  • Roan Filatova

    Sources? Sounds kind of one sided.

    • Casey Snow

      Huh? This is based on interviews. What are you talking about?

    • PAZ

      …those are interviews… the sources are the interviewed ones…

      I’m sorry but do you know what the word “source” means..?

      • Casey Snow

        It’s just Gamergate Tactics 101. Shout the words BIAS! LIES! AGENDA! And then demand PROOF! LOGIC! EVIDENCE! FACTS! … all while having no idea what any of those words mean.

        • PAZ

          I read the article again. There are the interviews and some personal considerations of the author. Something about Wu (that can be easily checked online).

          Really, what is “one sided”?

        • Shucky Ducky

          Yes, we know…facts are harassment, socrates was a harasser of women, sjw made up fallacies tell me so.

          • Casey Snow

            If anyone else in this comment section needs proof that gamergaters just spew out a bunch of buzzwords when they post… there ya go.

          • PAZ

            …This is a human language..? What are you trying to say..?

  • Shucky Ducky

    Story is false, woman was a well trained troll, a denizen of the early “hell dump” forums, where cyberbullying was taken to the next level, resulting in a forum which achieved a body count from suicide, as such it was wiped from the net, it was that toxic. Its no wonder she’s so good at playing this game, she’s an expert in the narrative.

    She plays victim in public but the acts of an immature instigator are what we actually have found.

    • Casey Snow

      Wow. Just look at all that blurry, meaningless crap! I’m sold!

      • Shucky Ducky

        So sold your side flagged my post so its waiting to be moderated.
        The truth is something to fear I guess.

        • Casey Snow

          * shrugs * It wasn’t me. Must be those insidious gamejournopros! They are behind everything.

        • hams

          Great so you’ve proven that ZQ has a sense of humor. I congratulate you on your excellent ethical journalism skills.

  • Geoff Capriola

    so gjoni says that she slept with five guys during and after they dated yet he doesn’t have any proof and there’s people out there calling zoe a liar. wow.

    also, i have a strong feeling, although i’m not 100% sure but pretty damn close to it, that i figured out why zoe broke up with him. and it’s not that difficult to figure it out. it’s simple; it’s because he’s a crybaby.

    • Smazeli

      The proof he included were in the chatlogs posted, in which Quinn admitted to the relationships.

      Also several of the ‘five guys’ also publicly admitted to being in a romantic relationship with Quinn during the timeframe. One of them was married, the guy’s wife was understandably incensed with Quinn. Especially after she denied knowing he was married, in a tweet she later deleted after the wife stepped forward to remind her that they had been introduced before.

      • Jason Zolina

        Here’s a question: why does it fucking matter who someone else sleeps with, especially if they aren’t personally linked to you in any way? Why would rape and murder be an acceptable response to consenting adults doing what they want in private?

        • Smazeli

          Normally, it wouldn’t. Unless those relationships are a matter of basic press disclosure, as is the case when any self-described journalist is providing 70% of all the internet’s coverage of his girlfriend’s project

          Normally a minor issue, but it becomes more personal when the outlet in question starts issuing mass banning to any readers who ask if a relationship took place. Doubly so when the outlet starts accusing the same people and their sympathizers of being misogynists. Triply so when

          “Why would rape and murder be an acceptable response to consenting adults doing what they want in private?”

          It’s obviously not. The murder threats exist in response to anyone working in the game industry, which is sadly a very common thing. There is no shortage of male game developers who have also gotten death threats over things as petty as adjusting stats. But none of them have been the subject of media coverage for it, for reasons that I’m not clear on. Probably because they know that promoting the attacks only creates more of them. I wish Quinn would eventually realize this.

          • Jason Zolina

            HAHAHA 70% of all the internet? Holy shit dude, are you high?

          • Smazeli

            Use google’s selective date range search feature. Prior to being harassed, Depression Quest received little to no coverage from the game media, even from smaller outlets. The majority of it came from Nathan Grayson, while he was working for RPS and then later for Kotaku, before the game was even completed. This is the same journalist referred to in Eron’s post and whom Quinn admitted to having a relationship with

            Afterwards, Quinn started tweeting about getting death threats and mysterious phonecalls from Wizardchan users, all the following media coverage of her was done in the context of her being a victim of attacks. Soon after her game was greenlit by a flood of users wanting to support her after reading the new articles

            Prior to this she also claimed that they were flooding her Steam Greenlight page with negative and toxic reviews, but she later deleted this tweet once people started pointing out that her greenlight page was nearly empty. The ZoePost came several months later.

          • Proto Man

            “Oh death threats are just part of the industry, she should really just get over it”

            L-O-L do you even read the things you post or are you just like a spambot of terrible opinions?

          • Smazeli

            That’s not an actual quote of mine. But what I said isn’t an opinion. It’s a raw and sad fact, death threats in the game industry ARE common. Nothing about Quinn’s situation is unique, aside from the media coverage and her habit of promoting her tormentors, which provides a rational explanation as to why she keeps getting them. Even the guys who made the mobile version of Dungeon Keeper don’t get death threats to their families anymore.

          • Proto Man

            You’re right, it’s not a quote of yours, good job. I just summarized your point, which is that death threats are common in the game industry and that somehow this is supposed to be acceptable, so you don’t get why the media’s making a fuss over Quinn? Here, let me help you understand: the media is making a fuss over Quinn because although harassment of creators has existed online for ages, Quinn has somehow become the focal point for a wave of hatred, with dedicated hashtags. Even if Quinn’s situation were not unique (and it is unique) why is it so bad that she’s speaking out? If anything, creators should be rallying behind her because, newsflash, death threats are not good.

            Screw ethics in games journalism, if anything the entirety of the GamerGate debacle has taught me that gamers as a whole need to learn a little about ethics in human decency. Doing things to developers like sending them death threats, doxxing them, siccing SWAT teams on them, and harassing their families are not acceptable acts, especially over something like their personal lives. I’m sure far too many GGers will leap to claim that those acts are a false flag op by anti-GGers, but everybody needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and consider that maybe just because a game got better or worse press than you personally think it should’ve gotten doesn’t mean you should make it your life’s work to ruin a person.

          • Smazeli

            Thank you for the thorough response that directly answers my question. I really do appreciate it! Despite the personal insults you’ve sent my way. Let’s go through it:

            ” I just summarized your point, which is that death threats are common in
            the game industry and that somehow this is supposed to be acceptable,”

            No, I said it was common and not really news-worthy, which is very different than saying they should be accepted! The fact that they’re so common makes them less acceptable, not more

            “Quinn has somehow become the focal point for a wave of hatred, with dedicated hashtags.”

            Here’s the thing, Quinn herself is not the focal point of GG. You can go onto the gamergate forums or do a search for the hashtag and see for yourself, that most discussion going on has nothing to do with Quinn, and she only comes up in conversation once a month when she accuses them of being a hate group or something. And when someone you’re never met or spoken to accuses you of sexism, how do you prove otherwise? That’s what they’ve been struggling to find an answer for. The only cited evidence of Quinn being “the” focal point of GG come entirely from Quinn’s own claims. And THOSE claims contradict Brianna Wu’s claims that GamerGate is really all about her.

            Also, being subjected to a twitter storm aided by accompanying hashtags is also not new, not even in the gaming industry. There was also the hashtag accompanying round of threats the Bioware staff got over the Mass Effect 3 ending, along with Doritosgate, and the twitter feed of every US politician ever.

            “Even if Quinn’s situation were not unique (and it is unique) why is it so bad that she’s speaking out?”

            Because she encouraging further toxic behavior by promoting trolls and encouraging further threats with rewards of attention and control. Furthermore, she’s directly encouraged internet mobs to burn other groups to the ground (look up with what happened to TFYC, they had their website hacked and replaced with “DON’T FUCK WITH ZOE” after doxxing them and tweeting DDoS instructions to her followers). And she presents an account to the media that directly contradicts what most everyone else in the industry has experienced. The media is now convinced that gamers are a uniform group of anti-social monsters, and that the game industry is sexist as hell (which is contradicted by the often-ignored accounts of every women who is actually working in the game industry)

            She’s even convinced you that gamers in general lack human decency and that there’s some secret cabal of dudes conspiring to ruin women for no reason other than being woman. Yet somehow this cabal manages to not notice the hundreds of other prominent female developers to focus on one that has about as much experience as a first-year game design student.

            I mean listen to yourself, you’re lashing out and calling horrible names toward random people on the internet that you’ve never even met.

            “I’m sure far too many GGers will leap to claim that those acts are a false flag op by anti-GGers”

            No, they’ll probably claim that no developer has been SWATted, and that Zoe Quinn has never been doxxed.

          • Proto Man

            Quinn’s not the focal point, yes, but she is definitely a focal point. She comes up in the GG-related news far more often than any other GamerGate-related topic, except for maybe Sarkeesian. Look man, I’ve got nothing against you, and I’ll readily admit I haven’t hung out on Gamergate forums, but I am a gamer and I do spend a lot of time on the internet and on game forums and I know that there’s a lot of shitty people out there, just as well as you do. Gamer culture is not a toxic lost cause, but there are a lot of bad people out there making gamers look bad. If you are a Gamergater (I can only assume you are), anti-gamergate people running false flag ops are not the ones making you look bad, it’s pro-gamergate people who do stupid things under your banner.

            Personally I think there’s an inherent problem with Gamergate in that at this point, the name/hastag “Gamergate” has become so synonymous with terrible people doing terrible things and spewing terrible bile on the internet that it can’t be taken seriously. Look at the “Actually it’s about [x] in [x]” meme. To the world at large, GamerGate is just a group of misogynist babies who hide behind the pretense of ethics in order to try to push their regressive worldviews onto the gaming community. GamerGate in it’s current form is a lost cause. If there are people in that community who really do just want to do things to effect game journalism, they need to break ties with GG and the fiasco that’s surrounding it. Go make a new forum with a catchy name, something like that.

        • Jack

          First, the problem was proof. Now the problem is why the proof doesn’t matter.

          Keep hauling those goalposts, Antis.

          • Jason Zolina

            It wasn’t me asking. You can still go fuck yourself though.

        • videmus

          Exactly. A woman is free to choose whom she sleeps with, it doesn’t matter if Gjoni considered her his girlfriend, it’s HER choice. These shamers need to get with the times. Strong women like Zoe have long liberated themselves from the shackles of patriarchal norms. It’s the 21st century, guys!

          When Zoe made a state-of-the-art text game in a sophisticated programming language called “HTML” (which, by the way, even veteran coders have trouble with), we should have all applauded her achievement. These men who Gjoni tried to smear were in fact wonderful and kind people who understood the significance of Zoe’s contribution to the art and science of game development, and did their utmost to let the world know about her and her game. That they would fall in love with such a bright and beautiful woman was inevitable. I say congratulations to Zoe for making one of the greatest text games and for being a lovely person, and a big thank you to all the enlightened men who fought for her and continue to fight for her.

  • Nuge

    You know something tells me the author would care more if the sexes were reversed in this case.

  • Wavinator

    Zachary Jason crafts an excellent villain narrative involving a pure victim and an obsessed stalker commanding the unseen, spooky powers of technology and a faceless, raging mob. It’s great for hack fiction. Bad for ethical reporting.

    And it’s your clue that you’re being sold something.

    What is Helldump? Why are threats, doxing, firings, blacklisting and harassment unreported when directed at those resisting corruption, collusion and rising censorship in the gaming world?

    Why are you being sold a fairy tale with stereotypes?

    The narrative: Gamers are worse than ISIS! Raging! Deranged! A mob! Klan daycare! Wailing hyperconsumers!

    And poor, defenseless women are being driven from tech! No, no, not Kellee Santiago! Not Julie Uhrman! Not Robin Hunicke! Not any number of women who manage their careers just fine.

    No, so says the person who extols the virtues of multilevel marketing and now makes 6 figures in donations. So says the person with a history of harassing people in the trans community. So says someone who claims to have stabbed and killed a man.

    If you’ve heard of none of this, then its a further sign that you’re being sold something. The question is what?

    With Wil Wheaton calling for the end of internet anonymity and words like “domestic terrorism” being bandied about, is the bid to surrender liberty for a little safety? Don’t you care about women?!

    When law enforcement can deal with a credible threat like that to kidnap Justin Bieber, who receives more hate mail than the subject of this well crafted hit piece could dream, but for some reason draws a blank at KKK 2.0, achieving NO ARRESTS in NINE months, ask yourself again: What are you being sold?

    • Sarcasm

      well, mr used car salesman, I’d suggest you’re attempting to sell us the standard goober lies.

      • Smazeli

        Could you point out one or a few lies in there?

        • Sarcasm

          I could, but I long ago stop caring to supply simple google searches for lazy Internet users.

          • Smazeli

            But you care enough to keep posting here?

            I mean, when people ask me to prove my posts, I provide the proof. Because it’s really easy and only takes a few seconds.

          • Sarcasm

            cool! why don’t you just leap to the massive media collusion conspiracy theory and call it even.

          • Smazeli

            Why would you want to hear me say something that isn’t true? That doesn’t make any sense

          • Sarcasm

            being truthful never stopped #gamergate before.

          • jparr

            I keep hearing this over and over again, yet I have yet to have a single person actually provide arguments against Gamergate points. A lot of name calling, a lot of threats, a lot of vitriol, a lot of elaborate murder fantasies, or sometimes a eloquent “U LIE” without elaboration.

            I’m starting to think there is no counterargument and any suggestion otherwise is some sort of internet masturbation.

          • Sarcasm

            happy to help, guy. first read this article. then, critically think.

      • Wavinator

        Your rebuttal would be far more effective to neutral parties if you specify the distortion or mischaracterization. I’d appreciate a chance to defend or correct.

        • Sarcasm

          that’s because you are meant to be afraid. it could happen to YOU.

          • Wavinator

            I’ll take your non-answer as a concession that you have no facts.

    • Craig Brooks

      So the countless women who HAVE come out with stories and have been driven out of tech…just making it all up, right?

    • Spikier Than Thou

      We’re being sold a fairy tale with stereotypes because that’s what your masters want to sell us. Let’s dissect your comment.

      First of all, if you’d actually read the article you’d notice a lot of railing AGAINST the notion that Zoë Quinn is somehow perfect. *You* claim she’s presented as a perfect victim; *SHE* claims that she’s a messed up person who writes about messing up. (She uses stronger language, but I’m not sure if the filters will pass it.) Your first paragraph is at odds with what the article actually says – to the point where I wonder if you even read the initial article or just skimmed it to determine slant and then slapped a bunch of gator memes on.

      What is Helldump? A leading question, that’s what. If your faction is telling the truth, it sounds like a terrible place inhabited by nasty people. In short, it sounds like Reddit, 4chan, 8chan, or Disqus. All /baphomet/ posters are ‘orrible people, right? Even the gator who tried to convince them that they should stick to pranking and drop the swattings?

      Why the lack of media coverage of harassment targeting gators? I’d say it’s mostly a credibility issue. A lot of gator claims are factually incorrect, and trivially verifiable as same. Presented with a group that lies about the content of *what they just read*, it’s easy to dismiss claims that actually require *work* to fact-check as probably just more lies. Additionally, some of the claimed harrassment is gator-on-gator – /baphomet/ attacking the poster who told them they went too far, unnamed e-celebs feuding with KingOfPol.

      The claim that gamergate resists corruption, collusion, and censorship is untrue. A large fraction of gators are actively pro-censorship when it comes to politics they disagree with. Gator news sources provide glowing coverage to developers they perceive as pro-gamergate, and frequently neglect to disclose personal involvement in the story (Ralph and Milo talking about the autoblocker, for example.)

      You claim that the article pushes the narrative that ‘gamers are worse than ISIS’ First, does the article actually claim that Gamergate represents the opinions of most gamers, or that the majority of gamers represent Gamergate? Second, where does the article actually say that Gamergate (or gamers as a whole) are worse than ISIS? The article describes Gamergate as a hate mob making terroristic threats to achieve political goals. ISIS does this too. ISIS also has *actually murdered a lot of people*, making them measurably much worse than Gamergate.

      Raging, deranged, mob? Sure, but the author is talking about Gamergate, not about gamers as a whole.

      Klan daycare? Wailing hyperconsumers? That’s… not in this article. Did you put your pasta in the wrong place?

      I do think that it would be good for analyses to remember *and publish* that not all women are driven from tech – the fact that the media only mentions the people being harrassed gives the impression that radical antifeminists are more powerful than they are – and in turn inadvertantly helps intimidate women who *aren’t* targeted by antifeminist hate mobs.

      Wil Wheaton calling for the end of anonymity? He’s terribly privilegedly wrong in this, and has been called out quite a bit.

      Is the bid to surrender liberty for a little safety? Probably, but you’re not digging enough. The architects of gamergate (as opposed to the initial burgers-branded harrassment) are outspoken advocates of tighter government control over speech and opponents of individual privacy. If the government reacts to Gamergate by taking away our anonymity and openly curbing privacy, then Milo and Adam have WON a major political goal that they’ve been carrying for years. And having the people Milo used to mock as basement dwelling slobs in yellowing underwear take the reputation hit for it? I don’t think he’ll be too upset about it
      .

      ‘No arrests in nine months’ doesn’t mean much. It took almost seven months for them to pop FamedGod. It took YEARS to get OBL. The FBI spent a year investigating a plot against Obama – which is pretty high up the priority chain IIRC.

  • Orion Starfire

    What a psycho. Eron is a monster

    • PAZ

      Yep. The true hero that GamerGate deserves.

    • Nuge

      Even though Zoe Quinn, by her definition, raped him?

      • Zennistrad

        “By her definition?” As in, not by the actual definition?

        • Nuge

          Yes, It’s up to her to to own up to her screw-ups. It’s called accountability. But then again radical fems aren’t known for their lack of hypocrisy.

          • GP

            “It’s up to her to own up to her screw-ups.” And yet here you are, on a pump-and-dump account whining like a baby up and down the thread about how horrible she is? Also, you don’t know what a radfem is, do you? Shoo! Back to Channit with you!

          • Nuge

            Apparently I’m not the one of guilty of “whining like a baby” on this comment section. Hell, some people make a career out of the complaining about the mean tweets they receive. And I’m not from 4chan you miserable little child.

          • GP

            Calm yourself, Hulkomanic. I included a reference to Reddit in there too, duh.

          • Nuge

            Don’t project, honey. The only person getting fumed here is you.

          • MinaJen

            Uh….mean tweets are, “You’re a jerk.” “I want to rape you and t hen kill you and then rape you again” are a little more than mean…

          • Nuge

            Compared to the general mean tweets, those are obviously few.

          • hams

            Oh, well as long as YOU don’t think there are too many, then it’s all fine and dandy.

          • GP

            Sure thing, baby. Sugar-pie, honey bunch. Sweet cheeks. Love. M’duck.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Because she allegedly cheated? Nope she didn’t rape anyone. No it doesn’t justify what was done to her in any way shape or form.

        • ADevilNeverCry .

          “Because she allegedly cheated?

          She admired to cheating on him.
          By her own definition, she raped him.

          • Michael Lindsay

            She didn’t rape anyone and who Quinn or Gonj boinked aint anyone’s business but their own.

            Seriously, all these people who get all hot under the collar because of other people’s affairs. Maybe you’d be happier at a gossip site! Might I suggest Jezebel?

        • Nuge

          Tell that to her. I find it funny how people seek to extend the definition of rape and deny they committed it when they fall into that definition.

          • Smazeli

            What he means is that Zoe Quinn once described the act of cheating on your spouse as a form of rape, since you are misrepresenting yourself and “tricking” your partner into having sex with you

          • Michael Lindsay

            So, a definition of rape you already disagree with is something you’ll happily use to use on those you don’t like?

            Riiighhht.

        • Bruce Bane

          Allegedly cheated? She admitted that she slept with other people while in a relationship. Denying that means you are saying ZQ is lying.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You lot should be embarrassed with what you think are “gotcha” moments. Allegedly means exactly that. IDK and I don’t care if Quinn slept with all five guys-because other people’s sex lives aren’t my business.
            Point is-“sleeping with” don’t mean “raping” unless one party isn’t consenting. The whole “she’s totes a rapist” BS is just thrown up there to distract from the awful stuff that GG and Gonj did and are doing.

          • Bruce Bane

            They should be if it was used to benefit’s one career. Unless you think this is perfectly acceptable and moral behavior?

          • Michael Lindsay

            If it benefited her career it was because the GoatGropers helped put her in the spotlight with their insane and toxic behavior.

            Same with Sarkeesian-who was relatively unknown before a bunch of misogynist creeps helped propel her to fame, you turning your bile up to 11 on the targets of your hatred only helps their image if only because it makes you look disgusting by comparison!

    • Smazeli

      I agree. Victim’s of relationship abuse should not talk about their experiences, ESPECIALLY if it might make their abuser look bad.

    • Shucky Ducky

      Flip the genders, man considers infidelity a form of rape, states this, and then goes and cheats on his girlfriend with 5 people. This man then claims he is the victim after the woman publishes a screed against him on the internet….

      Lets not pretend this man would be given sympathy.

      • Zennistrad

        He wouldn’t be given sympathy because if he were a man nobody would be spamming his nudes at him and attacking and demeaning his sexuality. If anything, he might even have been praised in PUA circles for having sex with five different women in such a short time.

        • Nuge

          Does he even have nudes? LOL! If those nudes were legally attained to really have nothing to complain about. And as if being praised by radfems is any better?

          • Zennistrad

            “If those nudes were legally attained to really have nothing to complain about.”

            Wrong. Spamming someone’s nudes to someone and their family for the intention of humiliating and demeaning their sexuality is wrong, period. Doesn’t matter how they were obtained.

          • Live the dream

            When tiger woods was caught cheating on his wife with what was it 15 women? He totally wasn’t mocked for doing so at all right?

          • Zennistrad

            Being mocked and being harassed for months on end are not comparable events.

          • Smazeli

            Yeah I guess losing multi million-dollar deals isn’t quite comparable to receiving mean tweets and emails (which Tiger woods also got)

          • hams

            Poor Tiger Woods, now he’s living in a cardboard box because he lost his sponsorships, boo hoo

          • hams

            So….mocking is on the same level as harassment, rape threats, and death threats?

          • Nuge

            Humility is a virtue.

          • Craig Brooks

            Know what else is a virtue? Not being an asshole to someone by trying to humiliate them.

          • hams

            My dude, I have the most sincere doubts that you have any idea what that means.

          • Smazeli

            The nudes weren’t “obtained”, they were sitting openly on the porn sites Quinn previously worked for. She consented to publicly release them years ago because as a model it was part of her basic job.

          • Brenna Noonan

            And here in the great state of California it’s also illegal as fuck.

        • Live the dream

          What are you talking about nude photos of men have been spread before. I believe a man has even appologized for having his nudes leaked by someone else. It wasn’t even his fault but he apologized anyway?

          There is a hulk hogan sex tape on gawker… how is that not sexual shaming?

    • JennyS

      Your right .. I gave Depression Quest a 10/10.

      I think it was because of him that she doxed herself on wizardchan. She must have had PTSD after she raped him.

    • Young Yurk

      shoo, back to tumblr with you

      • Craig Brooks

        Shoo, back to Infinite Chan with you.

        • Young Yurk

          lol quick, before different opinions gives you PTSD

        • Young Yurk

          LOL I forgot, opposite opinions give you PTSD. Go tell tumblr how oppressed you are cuz your dad didn’t buy you the barbie you wanted LOL!

    • Jona

      No, he’s a mentally ill young man.

      • Michael Lindsay

        He can be both. We don’t actually know whether or not strangers on the internet suffer from mental illnesses but regardless, Eron is aware of the consequences of his actions and capable of changing them.

        Also, good therapy for the mentally ill most certainly is not becoming dangerously obsessed with ex lovers and violating court orders.

  • FullMcIntwit

    So Eron has an unconstitutional gag placed on him. Zoe get’s to run around slandering him. Media eat it up (it’d be hilarious if afterwards Eron could successfully sue all outlets running these Rolled over and Stoned articles).

    Hey did you ask Zoe about her crippling helldump addiction? Or how about how she even had a hand in her own harassment at times. Archived from her own account: https://web.archive.org/web/20140913162412/https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy

    Retweets Teridax; “Just got some more codes, first ten people to tweet ‘Drop dead (Zoe’s handle) #GamerGate’ get a #SSB4 code!”

    Followed by Zoe’s own tweet: “Go get some free games, guys”

    I don’t she can wiggle her way out of that one. She knew what she was doing and it only begs the question, how many other times has she had a hand in her own harassment.

    Or how about her pre-jury in the case that ended up gagging Eron?

    https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23

    I’d say if anyone is play a game of fear, it’s Zoe striking fear into Eron. But no the media needs it’s juicy false narrative to shovel down the throats of fat pigs that’ll “L’is’ten ‘a’nd Be’lie’ve”.

    • Zennistrad

      Her participation in Helldump does not magically make what happened to her any less bad. It’s completely irrelevant.

      That tweet in response to Teridax was not her “having a hand in her own harassment.” She was using sarcasm to point out the fact that Teridax was being a douche.

      That Medium post, finally, shows no evidence of perjury, and its entire argument is based on debunking what the affidavit SOUNDS like, rather than what it’s actually saying.

      Sorry buddy, but you’ve got nothing.

      • Smazeli

        “That Medium post, finally, shows no evidence of perjury, and its entire argument is based on debunking what the affidavit SOUNDS like, rather than what it’s actually saying.”

        After the medium post went up, Zoe Quinn talked about it in a blog post. She agreed that it contained bad info, but the only reason the affidavit contains factual inaccuracies is because a police officer wrote it and took some details wrong when she dictated her story to him. Even though it’s in her handwriting

        and even though she’s legally required to read over and approve of every word contained before submitting it

        • Zennistrad

          The Medium post went up on December 23. I’ve searched her Twitter and found no evidence that she posted anything related to the Medium post in the week after it went up. I would appreciate it if you can show me where she made this claim, until then I’m going to remain skeptical.

          • iLoveGames

            Ever consider that she, i don’t know, deleted the tweets? I mean…that is entirely possible.

          • Zennistrad

            Anything is possible. It’s what you can show evidence for that matters.

      • hams

        “you’ve got nothing”

        Like they’d let that stop em

    • Brenna Noonan

      You realize that Gjoni posted an almost 10,000 word document actively slandering Zoe right? Zoe’s not the one who has repeatedly violated a court-ordered restraining order with impunity.

      • Bruce Bane

        Slander means falsehood. Gjoini presented plenty of evidence that ZQ is crazy and to this day, ZQ hasn’t even denied any of yet.

  • Michael Lindsay

    You know the funniest part about all of this? All those GamerGaters in the months following swore blind that it wasn’t all about their hate-on for one woman so they started calling Zoe “literally who”. Their way of saying it wasn’t all about Zoe or her ex who’s dedicated his life to, er, “internet warfare.”

    But look at all those GG fanboys in the comments.

    Must be something about “ethics in videogame journalism”. Right?

    • PAZ

      So much ethics…

    • Smazeli

      But you also post in multiple GG comment threads. In love, maybe?

      • Michael Lindsay

        So all the Gators here screaming about “literally who” are here because their critics are the ones who are obsessed-yah really.

        • JamesPiekko1

          the block list should extend to the whole internet, not just twitter.

        • Smazeli

          “So all the Gators here screaming about “literally who””

          Are you sure you aren’t imagining this? No one is screaming.

          • Michael Lindsay

            I just wish I was imagining this, surreal as it is.

          • Smazeli

            I don’t think you use the same definition of “screaming” as everyone else. Normally in a textual context, post would have to be in ALL CAPS to imply screaming.

            And who are you quoting? Not any posts made in the past two hours. The last time I sent a bunch of factual corrections your way, you ran out of the thread without so much as a “thank you”.

          • hams

            Calm down Melvin. You’re aware of abstract concepts right? The tone of the language is pretty clear to anyone with basic social skills. Just because it’s not following your ‘all caps’ rule doesn’t make it wrong.

    • Nuge

      Aw, look another hipster snark post. Haven’t seen those in a while. It’s a great attempt at showcasing your originality.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Struck a nerve did I? So-how goes your obsession with “literally who”?

        • Nuge

          This coming from a group of people who think depicting sexuality is a step backwards?

          • Michael Lindsay

            Oh the mythical SJWs? Or is it Public Enemy’s SIWs-I get them mixed up.

            Try critiquing a group that actually exists!

          • Nuge

            I take it you’ve never been to Tumblr. Either that or you are one who can’t come to terms with himself.

          • hams

            So it’s ok to lump an entire social media platform together, but it’s not ok to lump a self-selected group who identify under a hashtag together??

            Ya’ll can’t even hold your shit together for 5 minutes without running ass-backwards over your own arguments

          • Nuge

            Didn’t say it was all of Tumblr did I? I myself have a Tumblr account.

          • hams

            How nice for you. Backpedal all you like.

          • Vanessa Ray

            There’s a HUGE difference between sexy & downright misogyny.

          • Nuge

            Oh you don’t need to tell me that. Tell it to the puritanical idiots who scream “sexism” every time a character is showing some skin while ignoring context.

          • Bruce Bane

            I have yet to see SJW explain the difference. These are the same feminists that just sent a bomb threat to ProteinWorld because they had an ad campaign with a fit skinny woman on the posters.

  • Frieda

    When the whole kerfuffle began, I had this naive belief that if I was patient, if I presented facts and held hands and walked step-by-step through the critical thinking process, that there might be one or two gamergaters, relatively smart ones, that might go:

    “huh. Wow… Guess I shouldn’t believe every grammatically incorrect rant I see typed anonymously in the creepy dungeons of the internet. Seems like anyone with basic critical thinking skills and an understanding of the internet could quickly deduce how obviously falsified/out of context/overexaggerated every single one of these claims have turned out to be. Thank you, kind internet stranger! Now I know how to think for myself and consider the source of my information!”

    So I debated. I argued. I patiently explained. I cajoled. I joked. On and on. If it was simply a matter of “they disagree with me, but at least they had an internally consistent argument” that would be one thing. Invariably, in literally every single case, the GG’er just didn’t know how to move from one point to the next. They didn’t know how to put together evidence and form a conclusion without coming from a predetermined endpoint. The conversations went like this:

    Me: “OK. So, have you considered point A?”
    GG: “UMMM EXCUSE ME I think you are forgetting point Z!!!!”
    Me: Point Z…? Uh… OK, let’s start at the beginning and walk through the logic and we’ll get to point Z. So… point A?”
    GG: POINT A IS FOR COMMUNISTS.
    Me: OK. Concentrate now. Take your time. Point. A.
    GG: Point 203!
    Me: That’s not even… look, if you disagree with me, start with point A, take me through to point B and explain why. You’re giving me nothing but non sequitur and strawmen. If you can’t make logical connections between your assumptions then you don’t have an argument. So… after point A comes….?
    GG: Point…. purple?
    Me: Purple is a colour.

    So, I’ve given up. Even when they seem almost rational at the beginning, that usually breaks down. They’re parrotting things that they saw in a Thunderfoot video, they’re not thinking, if you try to make them think they just short-circuit and blurt out quotes from different GG youtube videos. This is, unfortunately, also why they’re dangerous to people like Quinn, who is still getting abusive messages over sleeping with someone for an imaginary review. You can’t reason with them because they don’t know what reason is. Their goal is to fuel their outrage, not to come to just and reasonable conclusions.

    • Casey Snow

      I know that feel. Gamergaters expect you to be able to calculate all quantum variables simultaneously in the observable universe in order for your point to be valid, but when it comes to be their turn to bring something to the table, they conflate, hoist their agendas unto ramshackle conjectures, and project project project. It’s like trying to nail jello to a wall but you can’t even use a hammer… just more jello.

      • Frieda

        I kind of love that analogy and want to steal it.

      • Smazeli

        I don’t know, going through this thread, most of the links and citations seem to be coming from those in favor of GG.

        • Casey Snow

          Their citations, by and large, are also from GG. That doesn’t count.

          • Smazeli

            Evidence posted by GG doesn’t count? Why? Does this apply to all of it?

          • Casey Snow

            The sources are gamergate sources. There is very little unbiased information to be had.

          • Smazeli

            I posted a link to Zoe Quinn’s emails, does that count?

          • Casey Snow

            It was off topic, so would it matter even if it counted?

          • Smazeli

            The article is about Zoe Quinn, how is it off topic? Specifically, her stabbing to death an attempted rapist is yet another example of her battle against the sexist monsters that have been attacking her for years now.

            https://m.facebook.com/mallorie.nasrallah/posts/10152278695440882

          • Casey Snow

            OMG. You are not one to talk about evidence then. If you want to accuse someone of murder, you better bring your A-Game or GTFO. What is this? No evidence, no dead body and no time frame. Just an email written by someone under an alias. Mike Cernovich had this information back in October, and threatened to bring charges. Of course he is just blowing hot air because there is NO CASE WHATSOEVER and even your “based lawyer” knows this.

          • Smazeli

            Of course there’s no case, because Quinn never named the guy she killed. And I have NEVER accused Quinn of murder, I have only described her act of JUSTIFIABLE self-defense. We’re talking about an attempted rape after all.

            And I did post evidence, in the forms of emails written by Quinn herself. Are you suggesting that they are fake? And that her old friends and coworkers are making up things about her?

          • Casey Snow

            I’m saying that there is no context. Without hard evidence (a body, a weapon, a witness) we only have this e-mail. I don’t know about your perspective, but that seems pretty weak to me. She was young at the time. Young people, especially those who have struggled with depression, say all kinds of things.

          • Smazeli

            I’m pretty certain that a couple of written confessions counts as some hard evidence, as we have in this case. The fact that she was too discrete for the cops to tie physical evidence to her doesn’t invalidate that.

            Also she was in her 20s, well into adulthood. Are you suggesting that she made up the story to garner sympathy? Oh no, I don’t think she would ever do such a thing. Especially not back in her modeling days, when her entire reputation and livelihood didn’t depend on sympathy. That’s just crazy.

          • Casey Snow

            I don’t see a law degree in your future. However, gossip columnist? I might give that a try if I were you…

    • Live the dream

      What are you talking about almost no one has said the word review. It was always about positive coverage.

      • Frieda

        *laughs forever*

        • Live the dream

          Yes positive coverage that was what Total biscuit said on his post on reddit that was censored. positve coverage not reviews. There is evidence of this and scant evidence that the review angle was mentioned at all by people.

          The evidence says you are wrong just ignoring evidence doesn’t prove me wrong.

          • Zennistrad
          • Frieda

            See, everyone, here is a great example. When GG started, I would have talked to this person. I would have sent examples, screenshots of dozens of people telling Zoe Quinn she slept with people for reviews, dozens of conversations on 8chan and reddit, from abusive to harassing to simply rude. The answer this person would come back with is, “well, that’s just some people, GG is big, that’s not a large enough sample size.” So my choice would be to dedicate my life to screenshotting, or to give up. Still, I often followed up with more screenshots, at which point the GG’er would either mysteriously vanish from the conversation, or come back with, “That is a false flag operation,” or possibly, “Third party trolls.” Neither of these claims have a shred of evidence of course, they are simply convenient assumptions. When I asked for evidence, they would usually either disappear, or leap to some other, mostly unrelated tangent to avoid the question (like, for example, attacking some different anti-GG person for a completely unrelated reason in an obvious attempt to put me on the defensive).

            Occasionally, they got creative. One of them called me human garbage and told me he would show me, then “favourited” my tweet like 25 times in an attempt to get my twitter banned as a bot (I guess? Not sure how this works? Not sure how favouriting me a lot very quickly would “show me” unless he was trying to game the twitter flagging system.)

            Another one screencapped several of my tweets and photoshopped them out of order with points missing to make me sound crazy, and then tweeted it to the hashtag so that I would be dogpiled.

            This is why I don’t talk to them anymore.

          • Smazeli

            Odd, I’ve had the same experience with those positioning themselves as GG opponents. What conclusions should I be drawing from that?

          • JamesPiekko1

            its a cluster eff and neither sides are completely innocent despite claims otherwise

        • Derp

          It’s funny that you people accuse “GamerGate” of being conspiracy theorists throwing together things with red lines, yet get your accusations of what GamerGate was supposed to have done from some obscure Storifies devoid of logic and internal consistency, spinning a fine tale like this very article here.
          There’s an original source that states pretty well what the complaints were, Internet Aristocrats video that was viewed 1 million times and started #GamerGate with Adam Baldwin tweeting it in fact states it pretty clear, “positive coverage” including two images of said articles 9 minutes 45 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlsiStPp_OA#t=9m43s

    • Craig Brooks

      At this point, best bet is to block and ignore any and all GG and let them enjoy their own echo chamber of ignorance together. I know my Twitter has been far nicer and less harassment-full since.

    • Michael Lindsay

      George RR Martin recently tried that approach with the Sad and Rabid puppy brigades.

      Doesn’t work. They aren’t there to be rational.

      • Nuge

        Claiming that the idea for both men and women to be held accountable is distasteful and making poor accusations of racism and sexism isn’t very rational.

        • Michael Lindsay

          That isn’t what George wrote. Making judgements on what someone didn’t say is about as far from “rational” as you can get!

  • Jack

    There is alot of filler with very few points made. The hyperbole and amateur psychology are kinda grating.

    This is the sound of crumbling narrative. Lies and professional victimhood don’t quite sell like they used to.

    • Craig Brooks

      The rest of the world find GG grating and their narrative of “we don’t harass” and “we’re about ethics” crumbled pretty much day 1. GG ought to know all about professional victimhood, though. For a group that picks on folks like ZQ claiming they engage in it, you all sure do play the victim daily. “They picked on gamers!” “They’re spreading lies!” “Only we know the real truth!” “I’m trying to engage in debate *sealion sealion*”

      • JamesPiekko1

        exactly, we need more government control on who plays these games as they obviously cause this kind of behavior. I am glad her and others have gone to congress to get something done. Enough is enough

        • MinaJen

          Er, no.
          It’s about going to Congress to illustrate the sort of abuse and harassment targeting people who either 1. Had a shitty end to their relationship, 2. Daring to offer criticism on the types of storytelling techniques and tropes prevalent in the more popular and prestigious games and how they maynot be the best thing ever.

          So maybe people who think it’s cool to make death and rape threats, dox people…might think twice about breaking laws, and therefore will not make rape and death threats, and will not dox people for fear of accountability.

          • JamesPiekko1

            good, and with extradition treaties in place we can get interpol on this as well.

          • Frieda

            Oh wow, I am so convinced. Look at this actual real liberal person and what they actually and really believe. I’m sold, Gamergate.

          • JamesPiekko1

            what good would laws in just usa do when anyone can go on the internet? it needs to be enforced properly to keep them safe from what they say.

          • MinaJen

            You did read the part of the article where she filed a restraining order against him, has repeatedly gone back to court to report violations of this order….and, as the article implies, because of the nature of the violations being on the internet, he has yet to actually face punishment for breaking the law? Where in the interview, he admits to breaking it, and because it’s on the internet and there’s no applicable law to the situation….he has yet to face any ramifications at all?

            But Gjoni’s the victim here, and Zoe Quinn is obviously guilty and deserving of everything.

      • Jack

        You people aren’t the rest of the world and the industry and spoken clearly on where the truth of the matter stands.

        Widespread support for gamers and gaming, while censors and moral panic peddlers are ridiculed into obscurity.

        The fact that they had to pay their way into a congressional hearing on the off-chance of being taken seriously speaks volumes. The narrative continues to crumble.

        • Frieda

          Yes, I heard Anita Sarkeesian weeping over her obscurity as she was photographed on the red carpet at the Time100 gala. Zoe Quinn railed against her obscurity a few weeks ago just before her trip to congress.

          But, you know, Thunderfoot has a Youtube page, so there’s that.

          • Bruce Bane

            You mean the Time 100 where she received 80% no but due to having media connections, they forced her into the top 100? The same woman who, despite having a 200k viewer exposure, couldn’t even push the sales of a game that she endorsed?

            Or Zoe Quinn who had to use her boyfriend’s daddy’s money to buy a politician?

            Sounds legit.

          • Frieda

            Well, SOMEBODY’s been gettin’ their facts from chan boards, eh sport?

            Run along and play outside now, it’s a beautiful day.

          • Bruce Bane

            I saw the vote on Time’s official site and surprise, Wil Wheaton who has been against minoraties and GamerGate writes an article about great of a gamer Anita is (while Anita admits she doesn’t like video games)

            I find it interesting that Time felt that a white woman from a high class family is more influential then minority women like Michelle Obama or Malala Yosufzai.

          • Jack

            Celebrity > Science
            That’s always the way with your types. Anita making it onto Time100 doesn’t speak well of her, it diminishes the integrity of Time100 as it’s known that she isn’t there for a legitimate reason.

            Zoe hasn’t done anything any entitled rich person with an agenda can’t manage.

            Ultimately, what’s accomplished? Neither Zoe nor Anita have managed what they’ve set out to do despite months and thousands spent. Though, ironically, the pushback has made for a brighter future for gaming.

        • Spikier Than Thou

          Gamergate is, to a large degree, a moral panic – take a look at Milo’s first piece, freaking out about how ‘promiscuous programmers’ are destroying the industry. A large fraction of Gamergate supporters are overtly pro-censorship, as evinced by their campaigns to silence critical reviews and political content in games. Breitbart, which is the news outlet which initially popularized Gamergate, is actually BRAGGING about their role in getting an AAA dev to remove offensive content.

          Yes, most game developers support gamers and gaming. That’s kind of a given. But don’t confuse ‘supports gamers’ with ‘supports Gamergate’.

          • Jack

            Breitbart isn’t Gamergate, and Milo mocking Zoe’s hypocrisy isn’t moral panic, that’s just calling it as it is.

            That’s a desperate reach to justify what is essentially Jack Thompson’s second crusade. Devs support gamers and gaming, and by far and large, support the gamers speaking out in Gamergate. For a reason.

            Thankfully, the moral panic troupe haven’t managed much in the wake of it.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            You really should provide a grain of salt with your opinion when telling a dev what most devs think. No, we don’t ‘by far and large’ support Gamergate. Some of us, sure. The overwhelming majority? Oh hell no.

            Breitbart columnists created the Gamergate brand. This is a known fact. Not all gators support Breitbart, but it’s disingenuous to pretend they aren’t linked. I keep seeing Gamergate supporters trying to convince me that it’s okay to censor reviews to keep political content out; I see Gamergate supporters complaining about games having female leads; I see Gamergate supporters trying to silence actual developers who offend them; I see Gamergate supporters talking about the need to purge ‘cultural marxists’ from game development. Sure, maybe that’s ‘not all gamergaters’ – but it’s a disturbingly big subset, and it adds up to a really disturbing picture of what wants to rule my industry.

          • Jack

            You’re a dev, now? You’ll forgive me if I don’t take that at face value.

            You’ll further forgive me if I take the word and support of other prominent and anon outspoken devs in support of what the Gamergate community does.

            That you know nothing of Gamergate outside of Breitbart doesn’t speak to them as much as it speaks to you. Kneejerk reaction against someone you don’t like supporting something. Just turns the hashtag into a boogeyman you can slap onto anything you don’t like, related or not.

            That kinda defines alot of the Antis though. Hypocrisy, censorship, and projection.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            Even if you believe the Gamergate party line that their critics keep cracking, doxing, threatening, and swatting themselves, you know that the mainstream world believes Gamergate’s sending the harrassment.
            What position are developers more likely to take when faced with a group that they believe harrasses developers?

            Now, you claim Gamergate is anti-censorship. Fine. We can argue ’till we’re blue in the face about what Gamergate as a whole thinks and not get anywhere, since it’s a huge pack of anons and any evidence either of us musters will look like cherry picking to the other. So let’s talk about YOUR attitude towards censorship. As a Gamergate supporter:

            Do you believe that a reviewer should be allowed to give a game a bad score (say, three stars out of ten) because the reviewer considers the game offensive? Should a reviewer be allowed to say ‘this game is evil and nobody should buy it?’

            Do you believe that a news outlet should be allowed to publish stories that are offensive to their advertisers’ customers, or that harm their advertisers’ image?

            Do you believe that a news outlet should delete comments that accuse their reporters of deliberately propagating lies in an attempt to tarnish the image of gamers?

            Do you believe that a ‘cultural marxist’ should be allowed to embed their ideology in a game that they are writing?

          • Jack

            That’s not a party line, so much as a strawman. The reality is that the so-called ‘critics’ are mostly responsible for and aggressively engaged in the behavior they are lamenting. There’s alot of abuse alright, and it’s nearly wholesale from the Antis.

            We don’t need to argue about what the GamerGate community thinks. We have a wiki:
            gamergate.me

            So if you want to keep beating strawmen, feel free. Anyone interested in what GamerGate is about can feel free to read and explore ’till they are content. There is academic data that demonstrably refutes the narrative. Ignore it at your leisure.

            Those questions are specious. Nobody said that the journalists can’t have opinions. Presenting groundless opinions as fact isn’t journalism, and deleting/censoring all dissent only validates the criticism.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            The reason I asked what YOU think instead of what the community thinks is because ‘the community’ can easily hold self-contradictory opinions. For example, gamergate.me publishes the following statements:

            “Ad revenue is not some nebulous source of free money, it’s a business
            partnership with a company who rightfully expects that the actions of
            whom they are being endorsed by should not reflect negatively on their
            own products and services.” – Fitzgerald, on the Operation Disrespectful Nod discussion page.

            “A strong segregation of duties between the sale of advertisement and
            editorial coverage is the backbone of an ethically functioning
            journalistic outlet.” – EthicsAuditor, analyzing the Escapist’s published ethics policy.

            Debating the content of a wiki with someone who is probably not responsible for more than a small fraction of the content on it is pointless.

            Is your position on harrassment that anti-gamergate is both being abused by Gamergate and abusing them? If that were the case, the right position for a dev to take would be to oppose Gamergate’s enemies AND Gamergate itself.

            |Nobody said that the journalists can’t have opinions. Presenting groundless opinions as fact isn’t journalism

            That bit’s rather imprecise. Can you clarify what you actually mean here?

            |deleting/censoring all dissent only validates the criticism.

            Hm. So, when my post claiming that Milo was tarnishing the image of gamers by falsely claiming that most of us (yes, a dev can be a gamer too, if you’re nit-picking) believe ridiculous hoaxes about Zoë got deleted from Breitbart, that validates my criticism? I think it’s interesting that, of all the anti-gamergate posts I made there, THAT was the one that one of the mods felt needed to be deleted – but it’s a dangerous trap to assume that the more offensive I am, the more right I am.

          • Jack

            The Antis aren’t really subject to much real abuse. People being mean on twitter and being offended are kinda laughable compared to actual swatting, harassing workplaces to get people fired, and the type of hostile slander that tries to prevent people from speaking out publicly. For all of the hyperbole, Antis aren’t the ones having their workplaces rung up with threats and mail campaigns to get them fired. Antis aren’t the ones being rallied against to prevent them from speaking. Nobody is stopping them, nobody is trying to, yet the hostile censorship and actual on that end is real. You’ll never see such vile racism and attacking of women as when one of us speaks out in support of the community.

            Also, if Breitbart moderation is the worst example of censorship you can bring up, then you’re woefully unarmed for this.

            It’s also awkward to complain that Milo is tarnishing the representation of gamers when he isn’t the one claiming to be the voice of the community.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            While I agree with you that mean tweets pale in comparison to swattings and campaigns to get people fired, I’ve *personally observed* Gamergate supporters calling for people to be fired for criticising Gamergate. Not just forwarded screencaps, but actual original tweets. Sometimes it seems like Gamergate’s competing with itself to see what the most absurd hoax they can post about their targets is – which would be funny if they didn’t then act like it was true. (For example, when Brianna Wu was doxed, the 8chan thread upon which it occcurred was promptly filled with anons insisting she’d posted the info herself.)

            I have, further, observed multiple credible reports of attempted swattings against Gamergate’s enemies. Ambient rumour (which I believe to be true but haven’t dug in enough to assign a reliability level to) suggests there have been successful swattings carried out against Gamergate’s enemies.

            Gamergate.me endorses Operation Disrespectful Nod, which is an open attempt to use corporate channels to enforce political censorship over news media. The Escapist’s corporate leadership have been caught ordering their writers not to criticize Gamergate.

            When Milo claims that most gamers are gullible enough to believe that Zoë would stage an attack on herself for political gain, he is in fact insulting an entire demographic.

            So – the hardliners try to swat people, try to run political purges, and try to censor the media. The moderates try to convince me that the hardliners don’t exist. This tells me two things: first, that hardline Gamergate is a very bad thing. Second, that most of moderate Gamergate don’t bother to do even the most basic of digging.

          • Jack

            Very big difference between saying ‘I think they should be fired’ and organizing an effort to identify their workplace and attack their boss and peers until something is done. One is an opinion, the other is action with consequence. Being offended or ‘triggered’ by reading something you don’t like doesn’t compare to crossing that line.

            That’s a large reason of why most of GG remains anonymous while the Antis promote themselves openly. Because the threat to us is real.

            Also, no doubt that Antis have faced alot of flak. Especially after the crap the pulled with 8chan, they made a hell of alot of enemies. #notyoursword was a thing for a while because they begged GG to save them at first before just saying it was all GG to begin with. There is no sympathy for them, they’ve blindly attacked so many people not even associated with GG that there’s no real telling who’s doing what to them. Just certain that they’ve provoked it.

            Now any time they stub their toe on a corner, it’s GG somehow.

            Operation Disrespectful Nod is a far cry from attacking the staff of Kotaku until people are fired. No, mocking them on twitter doesn’t count.

            Also, the corporate channels angle is an awkward comment, given that some of those corporations were colluding with media to begin with. Maybe it’s a misunderstanding or awkward wording of what you are trying to express, but those are sentiments that give the impression that Antis endorse that sort of corruption.

            Some of those sites still get by with no advertisers and have all the free platform they want to preach to their choir, nobody is stopping them. It’s not political censorship to say that those sites don’t represent us. They don’t.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            I have personally observed Gamergate supporters participating in campaigns to convince people’s workplaces to fire them.

            The claim that only gators are anon while anti-gamergate keeps a high media profile is profoundly dishonest. Gamergate actively raises the media profile of their targets. If a pile of your personal info is splattered all over Breitbart and Gamergate’s /baphomet/ board for all your enemies to see, there’s very little point in keeping a low profile on the parts of the ‘net where potential friends and neutrals congregate.

            The goal of Disrespectful Nod is to punish news outlets that have failed to fire the people Gamergate demanded they fire. It’s a clear-cut attempt to promote media corruption.

          • Jack

            You’ll need more than Anecdote on this. Campaigns against people like Dina weren’t specific to GG and weren’t about her politics, but her abuses against backers.

            There’s not even a fine line between that and harassment sent to coworkers and bosses about how their associate is ‘part of a hate group’ and ‘participated in criminal activity’. Not even close.

            The high-profiles of Antis aren’t the result of doxing, they’re the result of shameless self-advertising to the media. There’s a reason they’re in the spotlight while worst things happening to GG supporters are ignored and dismissed.

            You’re also really reaching about Disrespectful Nod to call it censorship because we’re denying our support and not giving them money. We owe them nothing. People don’t need to be fired for accountability. Hell, even Grayson is posting disclosures now.

      • Smazeli

        “The rest of the world”

        I too, like to assume that everyone who hasn’t heard of the issue agrees with me.

  • JamesPiekko1

    watching the baltimore riots reminds me of how #gamergate has been to Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn, it makes me wonder if they are behind that as well.

    • Zennistrad

      Eh, I don’t like GamerGate but that comparison seems kind of tasteless.

      • JamesPiekko1

        that is what they do to women like those two brave victims, no one would have ever thought the skellington guy was real but there he is with his street racing friend, i bet they are in cahoots against all of them as some sort of gamer uprising inspired by their games, t his is what sexism looks like!

      • ADevilNeverCry .

        Get f* rekt you weirdo, you’ve been exposed, maimed and humiliated by so any people in gamergate, and the only thing you’ve done was block them, run like a coward and ask your circle jerk to help you defend yourself.

      • Michael Lindsay

        Got to say I agree. Finding it hard to see a connection here.

        • videmus

          I think what James is trying to say is that the people who started the Baltimore protests are horrible people because they have lead to arson, looting, and physical injury to officers and to even innocent bystanders. Like Gjoni, they gave reason for others to send all kinds of hateful threats online and to commit numerous acts of violence. Maybe they share the same mindset.

          • Michael Lindsay

            Tension between low income residents of poor areas and cops and a guy releasing a manifesto of his grouchiness about his ex to the web inspiring a reactionary online campaign-not really the same thing.

          • videmus

            I mean the violence that they both precipitated. When people send harassing tweets or burn down cars/businesses because of what you started, you did something terribly wrong.

    • Craig Brooks

      Yeahhh…I’m as anti-GG as they come, but that’s a piss poor comparison there.

      • JamesPiekko1

        ever see those GTA games? they have riot modes in there to practice and they can find maps just like where she lives so they can practice rioting outside her house, yet the government does nothing to protect her from being victimized in this way.
        there are all sorts of “mods” they call them just for this thing, i read about them being mad that they had to pay for them too, it figures that they are just like pirates wanting to pillage and rape

      • Zennistrad

        Looking at his comments history I’m almost certain he’s a troll now.

        • JamesPiekko1

          listen and believe

        • ADevilNeverCry .

          LOL You’re a coward…

          You went CRYING to gamerghazi because SARGON completely obliterated your arguments and you couldn’t handle the sheer pressur eof thousands of people completly crushing your idiotic delusions… you went there to ask them for HELP. That’s hat you went there for, to get a bit of reaffirmation, that you were right all along, the Eco-chamber effect as I like to call it.

          So pathetic! You are so pathetic.

          http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/333089/real_talk_for_a_moment_i_dont_know_if_i_can_keep/

          • JamesPiekko1

            facts can be triggering, stop oppressing

          • Zennistrad

            Ah, yes. Sargon, the great intellectual who couldn’t stop himself from strawmanning me even when he was trying to be fair. The man who somehow managed to take my statement where I acknowledged the existence of some cultures that were less restrictive of women’s sexuality and warped it into me saying that ancient cultures were ALWAYS so. The man who, when showed a research paper that provided evidence of cultural factors affecting boys’ ability to assess their own mathematical ability, asked “how is that cultural” when the STUDY ITSELF said so. The man who claims he doesn’t care when women have multiple sexual partners, but goes out of his way to emphasize the “consequences” of doing so, and refers to women in their thirties who’ve had many sexual partners as “used-up slappers.” Because someone who obviously doesn’t care would use such derogatory language to refer to people making the wrong choices that he doesn’t care about.

            Clearly I was only afraid of dealing with intellectual superiors and not, say, a horde of morons who can’t change their mind and won’t change the subject.

        • Michelle Vietor

          Definitely.

      • Bobby

        It’s a good day when a GG’er and an anti-GG’er can agree on something. Cheers to that!

    • Casey Snow

      As a person living in downtown Baltimore right now: screw you.

  • Jona

    “in response to such games as Grand Theft Auto, which encourages players to murder prostitutes with impunity.”

    Sigh

    • JamesPiekko1

      it isn’t just prostitutes, you can kill all sorts of women in this game, why is that acceptable? This is why they are scared we are creating an army of sociopaths trained in killing women.

      • Jona

        Quit trolling, buddy.

        • Craig Brooks

          “Quit trolling while I’m trolling, buddy”

          Fixed that for ya.

          • Jona

            I’m trolling? What? How?

    • Jack

      They aren’t gamers. They don’t play games.

      They don’t know better.

    • appleblossom

      So you are saying that either you cannot kill prostitutes in the game or that it does not reward you for killing them.

      Which is it?

      • Jona

        You can kill prostitutes (or anyone else in the world, including the playable characters you’re not currently playing as if you find them).

        The game, however, does not reward killing innocent people and the police will chase you down and either arrest or shoot you dead. Getting arrested or killed costs you a percentage of the money you’ve earned through missions. You’re punished.

        • appleblossom

          Uh huh. Yeah. Okay.

          • Jona

            Which part of what I said is false?

          • hams

            Pretty much all npcs drop money when they die, so the idea of not being rewarded is absurd. Have you even played the game?

          • Jona

            I own it on three different systems 😉

            Have you played it? Do you honestly view getting ten dollars or whatever for shooting a civilian a “reward” when the most you can buy with that is MAYBE a snack that regenerated a fraction of your health?

          • iLoveGames

            You do realize that when the cops catch you or kill you that you lose upwards of $5,000-$10,000 I think that far outweighs the roughly $10 they drop for you. “rewarded ” PAHAHAHA don’t make me laugh. Kill someone and instantly the police are after you. The game punishes you. Unless you don’t see police action as punishment.

          • hams

            OK. You can pretend it’s not a reward all you want. I mean really, you’re ridiculous. If there were no reward, then they wouldn’t drop money, would they. Consequences? Sure, but evading the police is pretty much a core mechanic of the whole series, so don’t act like it’s some major punishment.
            A reward is a reward.

  • tarc

    Wow, this is sickening. I am one of the “5 horsemen of Wikipedia” (go google “gamergate wikipedia horsemen”, you’ll get the gist), and I had never heard of this side of Gjoni before. The misogynist thugs that make up the “pro-Gamergate faction always held to one thing as their central dogma; that Gjoni was just a frustrated ex who poured his broken heart to the internet. His insights into Quinn were the innocent spark that started their now-bogus “but ethics” argument.

    But now that’s blown out of the water. Gjoni is a creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker, one who has egged on pro-Gamergaters this entire time. He’s like a Jim Jones doling out the grape Flavor Aid.

    What a disgusting human being.

    • videmus

      Ugh, it really is sickening. I’d say he’s also a lot like the leaders of #blacklivesmatter — they say they’re “against violence” yet they’re the originators of a movement associated with looting, arson and the murder of NYPD officers. It’s like HELLO you’re responsible for these people! I really pray that Gamergate doesn’t go as far as the BLM movement has. It’s a shame the President can’t issue an executive order to arrest these people.

      • JamesPiekko1

        that is why we need social justices who will go after them, their jobs and make sure their names and information are known to the world.

        if the law won’t make them stop saying things, they will.

        • Spikier Than Thou

          You do realize that Gamergate’s leadership are mostly a bunch of guys who’ve made their legal names public from day one, right?

      • Vanessa Ray

        Troll

        • videmus

          Vanessa, I’m quite confident we’re on the same page. No one supports harassment or threats, least of all physical violence. Remember when pro-gay marriage people sent death threats to that woman who owned the pizzeria in Indiana? I mean, yeah she wasn’t such a nice person for refusing to cater gay weddings, but nobody deserves threats. Any movement that results in harassment and threats needs to stop being a movement.

    • Nuge

      Someone sounds bitter. And it’s not Gjoni.

    • Smazeli

      Stalking? He’s “like” a mass murderer? Are you sure the writer’s hyperbolic use of adjectives hasn’t swayed you from the actual facts of the incident?

    • Nuge

      BTW, how is your buddy Ryulong doing? Is he still acting like a petulant child?

      • facefault

        You’re calling someone else a petulant child in your second angry reply to the same post.

        • Nuge

          Whose angry? I’m loving the irony.

    • SecurityBlanket

      Quoted from Wikipedia’s Arbitration Committee official rulings:

      >Tarc has engaged in edit warring and battleground conduct. Tarc has already been sanctioned in three previous cases.

      >Tarc is indefinitely restricted per the standard topic ban.

      >Tarc is strongly warned that should future misconduct occur in any topic area, he may be banned from the English Wikipedia by motion of the Arbitration Committee.

      >Tarc blocked three days for breaching topic ban.

      Yes. Creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker and a disgusting human being indeed.

      • Spikier Than Thou

        Oh noes, edit warring. That’s TOTALLY the same as being a creepy, unstable, psychotic stalker.

        Snark aside, edit warring on Wikipedia basically means he has strong opinions and won’t shut up about them. If that’s creepy stalking, doesn’t that mean all those Gamergaters whining about their hashtag’s image are also stalking? Or is unwillingness to shut up about something you care about only bad when the other side does it?

        • SecurityBlanket

          False. Tarc was sanctioned for devoting hour after hour of day after day obsessively reverting edits and banning users for harboring an even slightly different opinion. You know: creepy, obsessive, stalker behavior.

          The beautiful thing is that the result of his creepy, obsessive stalker behavior is that the Wikipedia articles on GG (vastly more hostile in tone than its articles on Hitler or the Holocaust) read like propaganda to anyone with a brain . . . much like this article from Boston Magazine. Little surprise that all the smart, thinking people end up pro-GG.

          And yes, he was such a creepy, obsessive stalker that Wikipedia’s famously permissive Arbitration Committee formally sanctioned him, making him officially one of the creepiest, most obsessive stalkers on a platform notorious for its creepy, obsessive stalkers.

      • Spikier Than Thou

        Nice segue into an ad hominem there. Almost seamless.

        The ArbCom ruling you quote, at most, supports ‘obsessive’ – not ‘stalker’. Further, banning and stalking are not *at all* the same thing. You can be banned without being stalked, or stalked without being banned.

  • EpicFails

    Creepy way to get attention Gjoni. But it got you some victim bucks and and some loyal fanatical followers. Just what that narcissistic stalker always wanted. He milked her minor notoriaty for all he could and at her expense. How is the creep relevant outside his relationship Quinn? No wonder he clings to it. Pathetic.

  • iLoveGames

    What an unbelievable hit piece. Clear smearing and bias in this. From top to bottom.

    • slinteastwood

      No, this is what actual, ethical journalism looks like.

      • iLoveGames

        You mean an obvious smear piece with no evidence to back up claims – only the word of some e-victim? Quite ethical. Where are the authors citations? Any disclosure for possible previous relationships? You don’t post a smear piece designed to monger fear, and spread hate of individuals or a group and call it ethical. If the article were more unbiased I’d be more inclined to believe so.

        Just because the article parrots what you were thinking doesn’t make it “ethical” or even right. I could write an article and say “Hitler was a cool guy” and if someone agrees then I suppose it’s ethical, amirite?

        • JamesPiekko1

          they did mention tyce, a known associate of the street racing assassin. the truth won’t be obscured here at all.

          • iLoveGames

            And has anything come of it? Has zoe been attacked? followed on the street? had her home stalked by them? No? Sounds like she’s in no real danger at all.

          • JamesPiekko1

            the placebo affect can be very powerful, we need to protect them from that.

          • hams

            Yeah I’ve seen one of your buds post a picture of himself lurking around outside of a female devs workplace, at night, addressing the pic to her.

          • iLoveGames

            One of my buds? Oh? I’m sure I don’t know this person so he’s not one of my “buds”. Most likely some deranged internet troll or just a very sick individual. Certainly not one of my “buds”. I think you are mistaken.

          • Spikier Than Thou

            PlaysDangerously admitted to hiring someone to spy on Zoë’s house in person. Another idiot showed up at FreeBSDGirl’s workplace. Someone’s called in false police reports in an attempt to get both FreeBSDGirl and Devi Ever raided.

        • slinteastwood

          “You don’t post a smear piece designed to monger fear, and spread hate of individuals or a group and call it ethical”

          The irony here is killing me

          • Frieda

            I KNOW RIGHT???

          • iLoveGames

            Let me ask you something. Zoe Quinn appears to be in very good health. She’s profiting quite handsomely from all this controversy, garnered wide public attention, and experienced a boost in sales of her game due to all this.
            Now tell me…How exactly is this woman in any danger? A few paper thin threats typed from the basement of some middle american home will hardly stop this woman.

            I’d wager that she knows exactly what she’s doing. She knows that the more she puts herself in the public the more money she’ll get on her patreon and the more acclaim for her lackluster game (my personal opinion on Depression Quest).

            Now let me also ask you…has anyone died from GamerGate? Has anyone been arrested, charged with anything, or detained for any period? Has anyone been physically harmed or assaulted? Anyone been raped by GamerGate? If in 8 long months literally nothing has happened to her, then she is most likely safe and has been that way all along.

            This whole GamerGate thing sounds like a few people blowing some internet trolling WAY out of proportion.

          • slinteastwood

            She receives death and rape threats all the time. A constant barrage of them every day. You wouldn’t feel in danger if that happened to you? Bullshit.

          • iLoveGames

            Let’s go ask any random developer, especially of popular triple A titles, if they receive death threats for trivial things like “changing stats in a game”. The answer will be yes, but you see they aren’t idiots and realize that this is the internet and that they aren’t in any real danger.

            Let’s ask any male youtuber if he gets death threats…say, oh…pewdiepie. The answer: Yes. He gets them by the THOUSANDS. Ever read the comment section of his videos? The worst filth you’ll ever read. He gets them daily. Does he fear for his life? Is he having Boston Magazine print smear pieces against his haters? Nope. He just makes more videos and makes more money and doesn’t give a flying fuck.

          • JamesPiekko1

            you’re missing the point completely. he.

          • hams

            I think you’re forgetting the barrage and rape threats came BEFORE any kind of positive raised awareness. The dude straight up admits to doing it, how the shit could she be responsible for it? IF she benefits at all from it, good for her. I’d happily spend money just to spite the scum that try and terrorize people while hiding in anonymity

          • iLoveGames

            I’d happily send money to a lying, unfaithful, hateful woman who uses victimhood to push propaganda. I’ll gladly give my money to someone who admits to having a “crippling helldump addiction” (Helldump was a message board notorious for hate, harassment, death threats, and pushing individuals to suicide and it relished in every incident it incited). Oh yes. Such a noble figure to give money to. I’m sure she’s the best role model for women.

          • hams

            “lying, unfaithful, hateful woman ” uh oh I think your true colors are showing!

            You sure this is still about ethics?

          • iLoveGames

            You sure she’s as truthful and respectful as she says she is? Your true colors are showing.

          • hams

            I don’t care whether she is or not because it’s irrelevant. The fact that you care says a lot more about you. Go ahead and try spinning it back into ‘ethics’ again, I’ll wait.

        • Brenna Noonan

          It’s actually mostly the claims of the attacker, if you’ll notice. He’s admitting to everything Zoe is accusing him of. Given the unrepentant and obvious, disgusting actions of Gjoni and the GG community in general I thought this piece was actually quite objective.

          • iLoveGames

            I’m sure that you know the entirety of the GG community. I love the generalizations that people make. “A few internet trolls claiming to be GG did X, Y, Z! ALL GAMERGATE IS EVIL!” Here’s my generalization for the day. “Several white people owned slaves over 150 years ago. ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST SLAVE OWNERS!” “A minority of white individuals are in the KKK. ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE KLANSMEN.” – sound fair?

          • slinteastwood

            Here’s my generalization of the day: You, like almost every Gamergater, are a gross, pathetic twerp, who will die a lonely, miserable virgin in his parents basement

          • iLoveGames

            Good thing you’re wrong. Just like my generalizations were wrong. I think you’re beginning to get my point.

          • slinteastwood

            Noooo! You’re wrong! I’ve had sex with loads of girls. You wouldn’t know them, though, they go to another school. And I’m RENTING that basement from my parents.

          • iLoveGames

            Noooo! You’re wrong! I have a girlfriend who’s lived with me for the past 4 years. You wouldn’t know her since we are complete strangers on the internet. And I’m RENTING an apartment which I pay for out of my own pocket with my money. You know the stuff I get from working a fulltime job at HP as a Data Center Technician.

            The basement was getting too cramped …had to move on with life, ya gnomesayin??

          • slinteastwood

            Man it’s so lovable that you’re dumb enough to think I fucking care

      • Nuge

        Like you’d know right?

        • slinteastwood

          Yes, because I read actual articles in actual publications written by actual journalists, not the reprinted press releases that pass for gaming
          “journalism”

          • Nuge

            Even though you’re pretty much following the narrative?

          • slinteastwood

            What narrative? A creepy stalker ex-boyfriend posted a deranged, lie-filled rant online so trolls would destroy his ex-girlfriend’s life. That’s not a narrative, that’s a factual description of what happened here.

          • iLoveGames

            A blog post detailing her obvious collusion backed up with evidence and even a chat log containing a confession from ZOE QUINN HERSELF is somehow “deranged”. Facts are deranged now ladies and gentleman. – slinteastwood2015.

          • slinteastwood

            You’re still defending this sick creep? Gross.

          • Nuge

            … said the person defending a rapist.

          • slinteastwood

            I have no idea what the fuck you’re even talking about. Fuck off back to your cave you gross little misogynistic sack of shit. Continue cry-wanking yourself to sleep every night, knowing that you will die without once experiencing the touch of a woman.

          • Nuge

            LOL! What did I say that was misogynist?

          • iLoveGames

            When all else fails call him a misogynist…that will shut him up! Works every time. Also try calling him a sexist…equally as powerful.

          • slinteastwood

            If only it did work, you idiots might fuck off and stop defending people who constantly send women rape and death threats.

          • iLoveGames

            How about this. Instead of attacking us and calling us idiots since none of us here have ever done any of that…why not invest your time into figuring out who these threatening and harassing individuals are and yell at them or better yet turn them in to the proper authorities. I think that would be more productive than calling us basement dwellers and idiots. This is why the Anti-GG side isn’t moving at all, because they invest far too much time attacking the wrong thing.

          • slinteastwood

            Uhh, I think turning these people in to the authorities is actually the responsibility of the handful of people in Gamergate who aren’t sending rape threats.

          • iLoveGames

            Because we totally know who those individuals are. You do realize that GamerGate has no center, no leadership, no official message boards. When people tell me that “A gamergater said x” I go “no way”. Then they show me proof that it happened and I’m shocked…because it’s from some person I didn’t even know existed or was even a part of gamergate. However GamerGaters are quite active in helping to point out those who are senselessly harassing and threatening others on twitter and other social media. We do our fair share of reporting them to proper authorities as well. But to those individuals who are sending death threats we’ve got no clue who they are or what their angle is. No sense in pinning it on all of us.

          • slinteastwood

            The sole purpose of Gamergate is to harass women. That’s all Gamergate is, that’s all it was from the start. If you associate yourself with it then you’re condoning that.

          • iLoveGames
          • iLoveGames

            Seeing as how the majority vote on that is that they are about ethics in journalism I’d say that that’s what GamerGate is about. And if GamerGate is about harassing women then I sure missed the memo and so have all of my thousands of twitter followers and people I follow – who all support GG.

          • slinteastwood

            Oh, the creeps who send rape threats pretend like they don’t do that and what they actually care about is some bullshit they made up? Ha. You’re really fucking dumb if you believe that.

          • Nuge

            You have to be a bigger idiot to think one side is completely innocent.

          • hams

            Perhaps not, but one side is clearly the aggressor. Quit trying to rationalize abuse (and illegal) behavior you child

          • Nuge

            Where did I rationalize abuse? I never said it was okay. I think both sides have their idiots.

          • iLoveGames

            That’s just want anti-GG does. you give a reason for supporting GG or even give a reason for a GGers actions and you’re rationalizing abuse even if the actions in question aren’t abusive or related to any prevalent matters.

          • hams

            You ask where you rationalize it and then rationalize it two sentences later.
            “I think both sides have their idiots”
            As though the people threatening women are somehow retaliating justly? This STARTED with a campaign of harassment against ZQ. It makes zero difference whether anything Gonad said was true. She did not start a harassment campaign against GG, because GG didn’t exist until after the harassment campaign began against her.

          • Nuge

            Actually it started after the “gamers are dead” thing went off. And I’m sorry to tell you but ZQ questionable behavior long before the accusations regarding her supposed infidelity made manifest.

          • hams

            Ooh OK, so putting up a youtube video makes it justified? Are you even listening to yourself? Who gives a shit who she sleeps with, it’s DEFINITELY none of your business and it’s DEFINITELY doesn’t excuse the abusive activities that followed.

            ‘Questionable Behavior’ I’m willing to bet that if you crack open the search histories of all the people in GG you’d find some pretty nasty shit. Again, not a good excuse.

            Ya’ll aren’t being taken seriously because you keep making excuses for people stalking, making rape threats, and making death threats. There’s your buds up and down the thread saying shit like “well she knew they weren’t going to follow through with the threats….” and any other excuse they can think of. Let’s say I give GG the benefit of the doubt, and ignore all the misogynist garbage and insane rationalizations that I’ve seen just this evening. Let’s say they don’t have a history of treating feminists as an enemy despite having zero reason to do so. Let’s say I forget having personally seen gamers treat women like shit online for the last 10 years.

            Why aren’t you condemning the criminal element in your group? Why does it seem like the predominant attitude is that feminists are trying to ‘take gaming away’ from men when obviously they’re just asking to be included? Why shouldn’t 51% of the population of planet earth be allowed to have some input in the gaming industry? Why do so many of you feel it necessary to involve yourself in the romantic relationships of people you don’t even know? If the issue is actually journalism ethics, why are you spending time on someone that isn’t even a fucking games journalist? (There are dozens of games ‘journalism’ websites that have had nothing to do with ZQ) Why are so many of you (using a favorite term of your group) white knighting for Gonad when he’s obviously a crybaby who can’t handle the reality of adult relationships? Do you notice that nobody outside of the little GG cult gives a flying fuck about ANY of their ‘issues’? (Other than people profiting off of it, of course)

            Game companies have been paying for reviews since the days of print, it’s not new. Your group is ignoring actual money changing hands because they’re convinced something is fishy going on because two people had sex?!

            I could really go on, but it’s not fair to expect you to answer all of this. You’re just one part of a group. So you only need to answer one:

            How much money should I give to ZQ and her projects? I love the idea of contributing to her success if it will make GGers squirm.

          • slinteastwood

            You’re still defending Gamergate, a campaign created by trolls for the sole purpose of sending women as many death and rape threats as possible? Then you’re a misogynist. Also, a gross sack of shit.

          • Nuge

            Sorry but I’ve never met a GGer who has personally admitted to sending rape or death threats. Also let’s not ignore the numerous cases of threats towards pro-GGer’s as well. I think someone needs a time out.

          • slinteastwood

            “Sorry but I’ve never met a GGer who has personally admitted to sending rape or death threats”

            You’re really fucking dumb, aren’t you?

          • iLoveGames

            He’s dumb for pointing out that he’s never encountered a GamerGater who does these things? That’s like calling him dumb for saying “I’ve never met a black person who wanted to steal my TV.” All he’s saying is that the GGers he’s encountered were nice and didn’t harass others. You do realize that MOST people including GGers have never met anyone whos sent death threats or threatened individuals. When we hear about this stuff it’s hard for us to believe since we’ve never seen it, personally.

          • slinteastwood

            No, he’s dumb for thinking that no one is committing this crime because nobody has admitted to him that they’re committing this crime. Learn to read.

          • iLoveGames

            You know that most e-crimes are documented and quantifiable…and let’s be honest…these are e-crimes. Even if they didn’t “admit” to it then anyone could go and check chat logs, data streams, twitter feeds, and other public or private data repositories. Not to mention that if Quinn has really received these threats then she should certainly publish them somewhere so that we can see. Just saying “oh I get death threats” and not showing any of them is simply crying wolf.

          • slinteastwood

            Quinn and others publish these threats all the fucking time you dolt

          • iLoveGames

            And the few that have been published have been traced back to mindless internet trolls and have been found to have no basis in reality. Try again. Even the FBI in its investigations found that none of the threats forwarded to them by the individuals in question were quantifiable.

          • slinteastwood

            Are you actually such a sack of shit that you think that sending rape and death threats is fine as long as you don’t act on them? Yes, apparently you are. Christ. You really are a dumb, miserable, utterly contemptible and valueless piece of human garbage.

          • iLoveGames

            Oh boo hoo. someone said words I don’t like on the internet. I’m so oppressed. Please send assistance and donate to my patreon. Lol you are the miserable sack of shit here. I’d be upset if people were harming her or actually trying to attack her in some way. People e-yelling at her has no bearing here. Because you see, people e-yell at people all the f*cking time. Ever play League of Legends? Ever see the vile shit that gets said there? man it would blow your mind…you might go into a coma from all the hate being thrown your way for losing a game. The bitch is in literally no danger. That’s my point. She’s crying about people being mean to her online. Now if she’d said “I’ve had people walk up to me and tell me they are going to rape me” or “People have raided my home and stolen my things” then i’d be very much on the other side of this argument. But crying about internet trolls is just silly. bitch needs to grow up and move the fuck on. “I don’t want any public attention for all this” then quit posing for pictures and publishing articles. Might help all this go away, cupcake.

          • slinteastwood

            Death threats! DEATH THREATS! Not harsh words, DEATH THREATS! You stupid fuck. Christ, you are so fucking dumb and pathetic.

          • hams

            “traced back to mindless internet trolls” Yeah I think that’s exactly the point we are all trying to make about GG

          • slinteastwood

            “Never seen it”. Bullshit. The targets of these hate campaigns post examples all the fucking time of the constant torrent of death and rape threats they receive. If you don’t believe them, you’re either a delusional idiot or you actually condone this behaviour.

          • appleblossom

            Plus, who on earth is stupid enough to admit to sending death threats? Especially when it has police attention.

          • iLoveGames

            And these “threats and harassment” come from the majority? Can you even prove that? Can you even be sure that it’s not a single cell of a few individuals perpetuating this nonsense?

          • slinteastwood

            If you aren’t personally sending threats then I have no idea why you’d have so much invested in defending people who are. What weird creeps you people are.

          • Bruce Bane

            Yeah like that “threat” towards Anna Wheaton about how he is the master of gorilla warfare. Real threat there.

          • slinteastwood

            No, like the thousands upon thousands of rape and death threats that you horrible fuckwits are okay with because apparently you don’t think women are people

          • Bruce Bane

            Like the bomb threat sent to ProteinWorld by feminists? Or sending syringes to journalists? Or sending decapitated dolls to women who side with GamerGate?

            Please continue to be scared of 2006 memes.

          • slinteastwood

            You think those things actually exist and are in some way comparable with the barrage of harassment of women which is the only reason why Gamergate exists? You’re an idiot. Fuck off.

          • hams

            No, he said he never saw anyone ADMIT to it. Which is meaningless because the people making threats hide behind anonymity and alts

          • Nuge

            Aww, is the little boy angry? Does someone need an adult?

          • Michael Lindsay

            You are what passes for an adult these days?

            We’re all doomed!

          • appleblossom

            Sad thing is that these obsessive qualities are what make people like him popular with employers since that lets them exploit their workers.

          • Michael Lindsay

            You’re right, all you’d need to tell him on the production line is that for every widget that gets stamped another feminist cries.