White Men Rule

I have been a white male all my life and to tell you the truth, I have found it to be a pretty sweet deal. If you doubt me and would like to see a demonstration of just how sweet it is to be a white guy in modern day America – just come with me and stand in the visitor’s gallery of the U.S. Senate sometime when they are all gathered for a vote and look down upon that fleshy sea of men. Of the 100 members of the U.S. Senate, just 17 are women. And in the entire history of our country, only six African American have served in the Senate. White men rule.

It’s the same in the U.S. House of Representatives, where women make up just 17 percent of the current membership. It’s the men who rule.

In the 220 year history of the Supreme Court, only four women justices have ever served. And three of those women are on the court right now. In the entire history of the nation, there have only been two African American Justices. So half of all the African Americans who have ever served are on the court right now: Clarence Thomas. Again, white men rule.

Of the Fortune 500 companies in 2011, just 12 of America’s biggest companies were run by women. And there are currently just eight African American CEOs. You guessed it: White men rule.

Wherever you look and by almost any metric, any statistic, it works out to be a pretty sweet deal to start out life as a white male. And if I ever become deranged and suddenly start to kill all of the people who annoy me on Facebook with a potato peeler, I have the comfort of knowing I will stand a lower chance of being executed for my crimes just because I am white. If you’ve seen Facebook these days, you know what a relief that can be.

So I cannot, for the life of me, understand why so many white men like me can be found whining about how tough it is to be a white man. It’s a mystery to me how they came to feel so beset on every side by feminists, minorities, and “the system.” When in fact, the system is so stacked in our favor, it’s almost embarrassing. It’s like our mothers set up the world for us. For white men, life is almost like T-ball. We are almost guaranteed to get on base. But lately, some of us seem to be having issues with self-esteem.

So it’s especially strange to see white men like Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and various “Men’s Rights” groups complaining bitterly about the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which may come up for a vote this week. Grassley and the far right don’t want to see it pass in its current form because it extends some of its protections to LGBT victims, Native American victims, and some illegal immigrants. Because of what? Because it should be OK to brutalize them?

For the first time since the law was passed, it has become politicized. And in a move to make up for voting for the awful anti-women Blunt amendment, Senator Scott Brown says he’s for it.

The passage of the bill has also been muddied by — well — mud. Stuff crazy people make up and throw out there to make it seem like it’s somehow a radical or controversial idea to try to stop people from beating up women. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which, among other things, tracks hate groups, has now started paying attention to some “Men’s Rights” groups that seem to just flat-out hate women. One of the things these groups like to do is generate baloney statistics about how men are the “real victims” of domestic violence.

I know this sounds a little crazy. But just take a look on the web. Watch this YouTube clip from some guy who looks kind of normal and then he goes on about how feminism is a form of stealth genocide and how feminism and the courts have criminalized fatherhood. He claims that the system is ready to put most men in jail. But for people in the lower class who don’t really care — because they spend most of their time there anyway — so it’s like a second home to them. If this doesn’t seem crazy to you, I suggest you seek professional help.

In a piece titled Men’s Rights Movement Spreads False Claims about Women the SPLC points out that a 2005 Department of Justice study also found that between 1998 and 2002, 84 percent of spousal abuse victims were female, as were 86 percent of victims of abuse at the hands of a dating partner. Males made up 83 percent of all spouse murderers and 75 percent of dating partner murderers. If you really really don’t want to get beat up, killed, or thrown in jail, my suggestion to you would be to become a white male

These men’s rights groups also, I am told, hate relatively normal men like me who generally find women to be good company. They call us “Manginas.” Cool. I think I may just get a button with that on it.

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  • Sara Edwards

    Please make up the “Mangina” buttons. I will give them to the wonderful men I know (gay and straight) who think as you do. They can wear them on the “Where are the Women?” T shirts that need to be manufactured too. Thanks for the blog!

    • Travis

      @Sara – Perhaps you could give out those buttons to the some 200,000 men who are raped each year behind bars in the United States. Would that make you feel good about how good men have it?

      • Barry Nolan

        Dear Travis,
        It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped. No question about that. But may I point out – that if men are raped in prison – who do you suppose it is that is doing the raping?
        Sincerely,
        Barry Nolan

        • knucker3

          If you think it’s entirely men, you would be wrong.

          http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf

          Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff sexual misconduct, 69% of those in prison and 64% of those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates reported sexual activity with both female and male staff

          http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry09.pdf

          Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female staff. In 2008, 42% of staff in state juvenile facilities were female

          Having said that, I’d like to ask you why that matters Barry? Should we ignore female victims who are raped by other females too? Should we ignore gay victims who are victimized by other gays? Should we completely rob people of their individuality and treat them entirely as members of their various races, genders, and sexualities?

          Because I call that sexism, racism, and bigotry.

        • Travis

          Dear Mr. Nolan,

          Why are victim blaming those men? Just because other men are raping them, doesn’t make it OK. I am horrified you excusing the crime and blaming the victims because the perps are men. We call that “Victim equivalence blaming.”

          That is truely disgusting sir. Many of us have been working for prison reform for awhile, and it is AGAIN black men who suffer the most from prison rape. I am appauld by your lack of sympathy for those rape vicitms. Why is it “OK” to dismiss this concern because it is men raping men? Ever been to a prison rape crisis program? Didn’t think so.

          Again, you may have it good where you are, but many of us don’t.

          Sincerely,
          Travis Taylor

          • Barry Nolan

            Dear Travis,
            You should really read more carefully. See that comment above? See how it begins? “It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped.” That is how the comments starts – that is what it says. Don’t make stuff up. It does not help your cause.
            Barry Nolan

          • Barry Nolan

            You are making stuff up again Travis. Makes you look bad and doesn’t help your cause.

        • Check Yourself

          Why do you insist on dehumanizing male rape victims?

          • Travis

            Mr. Nolan thinks it’s a “tragedy”, so that gets him off the hook by dehumanizng male victims of rape.

          • garvan

            This is awesome.

            Because as the victim of a rape by an older female teacher when I was a youth, I need to be told I’m crazy and really I don’t deserve rights.

            Oh, and that my requests for any sort of therapy or help for dealing with this are denied and met with, “OH WELL YOU’RE A WHITE MAN AND YOU GOT SEX WITH A WOMAN, SO SUCK IT UP!” when I try to go deal with the scars my rape gave me.

            Thank you for gas-lighting a rape victim.

        • knucker3

          If you think it’s entirely men, you would be wrong.

          http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpjri0809.pdf

          Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff sexual misconduct, 69% of those in prison and 64% of those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates reported sexual activity with both female and male staff

          http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svjfry09.pdf

          Approximately 95% of all youth reporting staff sexual misconduct said they had been victimized by female staff. In 2008, 42% of staff in state juvenile facilities were female

        • John Jackson

          Barry, that is victim-perpetrator equivalence blaming. Just because the perpetrator of a crime shares something in common with the victim, does not make the crime less meaningful or less hurtful.

          It saddens me to see this treatment of both men and women victims, especially when it’s a serious violent crime.

          • Barry Nolan

            Dear John,
            Once again – the comment there began with the words – “It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped. No question about that.” How much clearer could that be in terms of the victims? The point – and the only point of the words that follow- is that in that setting – we again have a problem with a predominance of male perpetrators of violence. Just as we do on the outside. To pretend that in that there is some diminishment of victims is simply be spinning nonsense.
            Barry Nolan

          • John Jackson

            Since I seem to be blocked from replying directly to your reply, I’ll do it here.

            You wrote, “But may I point out – that if men are raped in prison – who do you suppose it is that is doing the raping?”

            This undercuts the prior statement that rape is a tragedy for anyone.

            Should the same crime which is male on male be treated differently than male on female, female on male, or female on female? The answer *should* be NO.

            Should it matter whether the victim is a gay male or a white female? NO. The crime should be given the same weight regardless of the race, gender, or sexual orientation of the perpetrator or the victim.

            Your comment suggests that you believe certain victims should have less rights or legal consideration based on gender.

          • Tom

            Barry,

            Wow! Liberal racism at its ugliest. John is right, it is victim-perpetrator equivalence blaming. You say:

            “The point – and the only point of the words that follow- is that in that setting – we again have a problem with a predominance of male perpetrators of violence. Just as we do on the outside.”

            Black men tend to be arrested more for crimes than white men. So, by your logic, we “have a problem with a predominance of black perpetrators” You really make me ashamed to call myself a liberal Barry.

        • bob

          so basically the problem isnt rape, its men, right?

          your equating rape as an all male crime, and putting the emphasis on the perp and not on the crime is misandry. it also shows a lack of empathy for all rape victims.

          but it does explain why RADFEMS love the subject so much, as opposed to, say, the morality abortion, since this is an all female activity.

          • Barry Nolan

            Dear Bob,
            Once again – the comment there began with the words – “It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped. No question about that.” Are you being dense on purpose or because you just can’t help it and having trouble following the argument?
            Barry Nolan

          • bob

            barry –

            im not being dense to point out that your disclaimer “all rape is a tragedy” does not absolve you of your sexism which immediately follows it.

            thats a deflection, and every reader here knows it. unless of course you would like me to tell you a joke that begins “im not racist, but…”

            but we dont need to do that do we? since your position on this matter IS the joke.

        • Erik

          hi barry-

          i’m a white male. i was raped by a woman. i was also emotionally incested by my mother for years. thanks for marginalizing me!

          i hope you enjoy that sweet deal!

          Sincerely,
          Erik

        • Jon

          “It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped. No question about that. But may I point out – that if men are raped in prison – who do you suppose it is that is doing the raping?”

          Just what relevance does that have, WHATEVER, Barry?

  • Travis

    I don’t know why you and other keep trying to silence us men of color who are part of the Men’s Rights Movement. I am a black man who has been working with many MRAs, none of who hate women. You are being very racist towards non-whites Mr. Nolan, by pretending we don’t exist in the MRM. Slavery ended over 150 years aog, stop pretending to speak for us! And in case you didn’t know:

    Unsheltered Homeless (2009)
    Women – 20,000 – 6%
    Men – 220,000 – 94%

    Life Expectancy (2006)
    Women – 80.8 Years
    Men – 75.7 Years

    Suicides (2008)
    Women – 7,585 – 19%
    Men – 28,450 – 81%

    Deaths by Homicide (2004)
    Women – 3,856 – 20%
    Men – 14,717 – 80%

    Deaths from Cancer (2004)
    Women – 269,819
    Men – 290,069

    Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
    Women – 3,357
    Men – 8,756

    Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
    Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 – 40,000 Deaths
    Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 – 33,000 Deaths

    Deaths on the Job (2010)
    Women – 355 – 7%
    Men – 4,192 – 93%

    Injuries on the Job (2007)
    Women – 36%
    Men – 64%

    College Enrollment (2009)
    Women – 58% – 11,658,000
    Men – 42% – 8,770,000

    Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific)
    Women – Yes
    Men – No

    Unemployment Rates (2010)
    Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
    Men – 10.5% – 8,626,000

    Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
    Women – 36.1
    Men – 40.2

    High School Graduation Rates (2005)
    Women – 72%
    Men – 65%

    Incarceration Rates (2009)
    Women – 114,979 – 7%
    Men – 1,502,490 – 93%

    Child Custody Rates
    Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
    Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

    US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
    Women – 139 – 0.01%
    Men – 100,063 – 99.9%

    Federally Funded Battered Shelters
    Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
    Men – None – $0

    Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
    Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
    Men Only – None – $0

    Forced Selective Service
    Women – No
    Men – Yes

    Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010)
    Women – 5.8%
    Men – 12.2%

    You may have it real good Mr. Nolan, but a lot of us don’t. Good day sir.

  • Mark

    There are quite a few non-whites in the MRM. Black men in particular have it the worst in a lot of issues that disproportionately affect men.

    Your mischaracterization of the movement as being one for “white men” only shows you know very little about it.

  • Cel

    This author is either a liar, or extremely ignorant.

    It’s very telling he says this:

    >And if I ever become deranged and suddenly start to kill all of the people who annoy me on Facebook with a potato peeler, I have the comfort of knowing I will stand a lower chance of being executed for my crimes just because I am white.

    In light of the fact that women are less likely to be convicted, and if convicted, given lesser sentences for the same crime as men (after controlling for other factors such as prior record).

    Read the abstract:

    http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

    Then he makes more false claims such as how the vast majority of domestic violence victims are women and the vast majority of perpetrators are men. That couldn’t be more false:

    http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    And throughout the whole piece, he falsely claims that men’s issues are restricted only to white men.

    All men, regardless of race, are subject to selective service (or actual conscription in many countries).

    All male infants, regardless of race, are subject to forcible and harmful circumcision. All females are protected, regardless of race.

    All men are denied resources if they are victims of domestic violence, regardless of race.

    All men may be forced into parental obligations against their will, regardless of race.

    All men can have their lives destroyed by a false rape accusation regardless of evidence, regardless of race.

    In other words, the author has not made a single valid point.

  • Check Yourself

    There are numerous female voices in the Men’s Rights Movement. Dr. Tara Palmatier of “Shrink 4 Men”, and Dr. Helen, blogger at PJMedia, write in support of men’s rights. Dr. Christina Hoff-Sommers of the American Enterprise Institute is an “equity feminist” scholar who has written books and editorials in support of Men’s Rights. Phyllis Schlafly and Suzanne Venker, two well-established conservative activists, write in support of Men’s Rights. GirlWritesWhat and TyphonBlue are two very popular female bloggers and vloggers in support of Men’s Rights.

    There are many Men’s Rights Activists of color active all over the internet and on YouTube. The popular men’s website “A Voice For Men” regularly features men of color, to the raucous approval of the community.

    Conversely, the Southern Poverty Law Center is currently standing in solidarity with “Rad Fem Hub,” an online community for radical Feminists, which has called for the violent extermination of the male gender using biological and chemical weapons.

    But don’t let the truth get in the way of ignorant diatribe, Mr. Nolan.

  • knucker3

    “Stuff crazy people make up and throw out there to make it seem like it’s somehow a radical or controversial idea to try to stop people from beating up women”

    VAWA doesn’t help female victims, and it robs men of their civil liberties.

    http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/SAVE-VAWA-Has-It-Delivered-on-Its-Promises-to-Women.pdf

    http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-VAWA-Discriminates-Against-Males.pdf

    You would know this if you actually did research before writing.

    “Wherever you look and by almost any metric, any statistic, it works out to be a pretty sweet deal to start out life as a white male.”

    Have you checked suicide? Prison? Homelessness? Higher Education? Basic Education? Custody? Family Success? Life Expectancy? Violent Crime? Accidental Death and Injury?

    Because those “metrics” and “statistics” aren’t favourable to men.

    “I have the comfort of knowing I will stand a lower chance of being executed for my crimes just because I am white.”

    It’s called “Mens Rights” not “White Rights” so this is just off topic. But hey, women are probably more likely to be executed and sent to jail as well.

    Or maybe not.

    http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

    http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=gang_lee

    “One of the things these groups like to do is generate baloney statistics about how men are the “real victims” of domestic violence.”

    Do not pretend that the MRM is arguing female victims of violence do not exist. We want male victims to be acknowledged and helped to the same degree we currently help female victims (except VAWA doesn’t even do that very well)

    And almost 300 peer reviewed academic studies are not “baloney”.

    http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    “If you really really don’t want to get beat up, killed, or thrown in jail, my suggestion to you would be to become a white male”

    Where do you get this from? Are you seriously arguing that women are more likely to go to prison than men are? And that women are more likely to be victims of violent crime than men are? I have never seen that reported anywhere. Not the CDC, not the FBI, not independent studies. Source or you’re literally just making stuff up now.

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear Mark and Travis,
    Sorry – but I have no idea what you mean by “trying to silence” the men of color in the Men’s Rights movement. Nowhere is it suggested in this article that it speaks for – or is hostile to the legitimate complaints of men of color. And please note that the concerns and the statistics quoted are from the Southern Poverty Law Center – an organization that is – in its own words “dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society.”

    Furthermore – if you were to break out your statistics more completely – you would find that members of the minority community make up a disproportionately high number of those in prison, those who die from cancer, those who are homeless – and so on. Which all simply goes to underline the point of the article. Even among the population of those who go to prison – or become homeless – you are statistically better off if you are born white.
    Regards,
    Barry Nolan

    • knucker3

      And if you are being honest, you will also find that, even within racial groups, you are statistically better off if you are born female, rather than male. Which is why you’re attempt to conflate being female with being black in America is so egregious.

      The existence of racism against blacks, or disadvantages among blacks, is not mutually exclusive with the existence of sexism against men, and disadvantages among men.

      • Lauren

        I have to disagree with that statement. Though there are some places where men are at a disadvantage the statistics presented here don’t justify that kind of claim. Aside from things like the selective service registration (which, if you’ll notice, some of us believe women should have to register for) many of the statistics present a biased picture. Women are disproportionately the ones in poverty, on public assistance, single parents, etc. They are disproportionately homeless (not sure where YOUR stat. on homeless in shelters came from), and make disproportionately less for equal pay than men. They have less access to healthcare and are more likely to be passed over for promotions (despite equal work) than men. They are more likely to be abused in relationships, more likely to be raped, and more likely to be judged on appearance/weight/skin for things like jobs.

        No one is saying that this is a perfect system. There are arguably places where being male is a “disadvantage” (custody situations, for instance), but your arguments simply don’t make sense and aren’t justified by the numbers.

        And to address the whole rape discussion above, rape is rape. It is awful. It is a tragedy. It is wrong, and the perpetrators should be held accountable no matter their gender/sex/orientation/whatever. In your crusade to point out that men are never believed, that in some situations men are raped by women, etc., you forgot that women aren’t always believed either. Women are often ignored if they are young, were dating the person, were wearing something revealing, were in the “wrong place,” didn’t say no loud enough, didn’t fight back, etc. It’s not like every woman who brings charges gets satisfaction for that charge. In fact, according to RAINN 97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail for their crime (both male and female perpetrators). Rape is not a gender issue. It is a human issue.

        • zuismanm

          “Women are disproportionately the ones in poverty, on public assistance, single parents, etc. They are disproportionately homeless ”
          ________________________________

          That is just nice. “They are disproportionately homeless”… Any sources that support those bullshit?
          Who force those pure females into single parenthood? They (females) CHOOSE to dupe male into unwanted fatherhood , born out of wedlock kids and rob male (child support payments), state (social programs for single moms on account of tax money), and whole society (high crime rates among children raised by single moms). May be she as result live in poverty , but that it is pure result of HER UNILATERAL DECISION! And as such – HER UNILATERAL RESPONSIBILITY.

        • Dred Scott

          I agree with you on everything but the homeless statement. Men ARE disproportionately homeless in America. Source: 10yrs working in homeless shelters..

        • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

          It is women who eschew nice guys and go after bad guys who dump her after they are through with her or if she does have a nice guy she gets bored with him and kicks him to the curb.

          85% of homeless are men. I would also say that being homeless is being impoverished so that means that more men live in poverty than women. There are programs that help single mothers. Ever hear of Women,Infants,Children program or WIC?

          Just because you heard what you posted in women’s studies doesn’t make it true.

    • Travis

      Dear Mr. Nolan,

      Us black men can use all the help we can get when fightng things like homelessness and prison rape. So you are trying to silence my white brothers, or just marganlizing us black men? Are you saying I shouldn’t STAND with my white brothers who are trying to help us black men?

      Again, I ask, why are you trying to silence men of color? We finally have men willing to stand up with us to fight for the same things, and yourself and others try to rip us apart.

      I know all about the SPLC and we’ve had discussions over email about there ignorant generalizations. Would you like a link to a site that exposes this? Their is a group that advocates for the extermination of men (not kidding) now raising money for the SPLC. Think that’s a joke?

      Regards,
      Travis Taylor

  • scott

    You know , id find this almost laughable if it wasnt actually written so earnestly with the belief that you are right when you are so , so very wrong the main tennant of mens rights is equalisation in terms of legal , health and victim status , as a male victim of sexual assault by a female friend of my family i was mocked and accused to this day of being a liar, heck i can even tell you what it is like to be beaten with a copy of the scum manifesto, yes my mother was THAT sort of feminist but as an MRA i dont hate all women , i dont even hate the majorty and the minority , well i have made my peace with violence and abuse and just pity them , so tell me as a white male survivor of child abuse, violence and rape that im lucky to be white , ive never seen an advantage from it .

    And this is a bit more in depth . http://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/on-becoming-a-good-man/

  • Barry Nolan

    According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
    The majority (73%) of family violence victims were female. Females were 84% of spouse abuse victims and 86% of victims of abuse at the hands of a boyfriend or girlfriend.
    While about three-fourths of the victims of family violence were female, about three-fourths of the persons who committed family violence were male.
    Here is a link: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs02.pdf
    I see some interesting statistics you provide – like the one about military deaths among men from 1950 onward – that would include the Korean War and the Vietnam War – at a time when women were not permitted to serve in combat – and thus were not permitted to rise in the ranks to command positions that require combat command experience. Like White men could.
    Regards,
    Barry Nolan

    • knucker3

      Which contradicts the majority of academic literature, among which the prevailing theory is that both men and women are victimized, and perpetrators, at similar rates

      http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

      http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

    • Sig

      You are cherry picking you data.

      The latest CDC report shows like all the non-feminist scientific research data has been saying for decades. Women and men comitt DV against each other at roughly equal rates. Women are injured slightly more often.

      • Barry Nolan

        Dear Sig,
        You are factually – demonstrably incorrect. If you simply google CDC and Domestic Violence – it takes you to this page:
        http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/intimatepartnerviolence/index.html
        And on the right you will see a link to this page which is there newest most comprehensive set of data:
        http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Executive_Summary-a.pdf

        And you can read this in the executive summary:

        Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and
        1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration.

        An estimated 13% of women and 6% of men have experienced sexual coercion in their lifetime

        Nearly 3 in 10 women and 1
        in 10 men in the United States have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner and reported at least one impact related to experiencing these or other forms of violent behavior in the relationship

        About 1 in 4 women (24.3%) and 1 in 7 men (13.8%) have experienced severe physical violence by an intimate

        Across all types of violence, the majority of female victims reported that their perpetrators were male.
        • Male rape victims and male victims of non-contact unwanted sexual experiences reported predominantly male perpetrators. Nearly half of stalking victimizations against males were also perpetrated by males.

        Those are the actual facts – I invite you to use the links above and read the full report for yourself

        Barry Nolan

        • Adrien

          “Forced penetration or attempted forced penetration…” that’s the definition of raping a female. Of course fewer men have experienced that – the language only describes a man raping a woman. As with many of your statistics, it’s just a little bit biased. As for domestic violence – men are drastically less likely to either a) realize they’re victims of DV, or b) report it if they do.

          • PDA

            So, basically, what you’re saying is that when facts and what you want to believe come into conflict, it’s facts that are wrong?

          • bob

            how many times have we heard the blindly endorsed and taken at face value the allegations by feminists that women under report rape and DV?

            are you prepared to call into question those allegations, as you so easily call into question the allegation that men under report DV and rape?

          • PDA

            Yes. “Calling into question,” though, implies that you’re going to try to get more information to determine the facts, not merely ASSUME the facts are true because they fit your pre-conceived notions.

            I swear, if any of you MRAs could form a decent argument, people might actually LISTEN to you instead of laughing at you.

          • bob

            PDA says: “so basically what you’re saying is that when facts and what you want to believe come into conflict, its facts that are wrong”

            this is what you stated about the allegation that men under report rape and DV, which is a reaistic, perhaps even likely, posibility.

            and now you intend for us to believe that your “calling into question” of this possiblity, in those words, is your way of saying that you just want more information to determine the facts. and you also state that this is “implied”. but how can that be? you already STATED that this allegation doesnt conform to the facts as you see them

            and you call this a good argument. sorry, i dont see attempting to convert the possibilty of a flat denial of unreported male rape and DV by associating this possibility with “facts and what you want to believe coming into conflict” into an implied attempt to get more information.

            thats not the impression which your comment left me with, that of a person with an open mind that actually cares about victims when the victims are of the wrong sex.

            you are committing the hypocricy which you accuse adrien of. and since i cant reply to you directly, i have to reply to adrien right above you since i suppose that means you dont want to discuss this any further.

            remember your stance on this subject the next time someone denies the possibility of unreported female rape and DV incidence because there arent any statistics on the matter.

            you said “if any of you MRAs could form a decent argument, people might actually listen to you instead of laughing at you”

            curiously enough, even when women made the claim of under reported rape victims, people listened, good argument or not. because people that give a damn about the possibility of unknown victims dont require an excellent argument in order to care.

            but of course you would rather laugh than care, wouldnt you? because you only care about certain victims, dont you?

            i guess its good that so many concerned men listened when women made this (poor) but reasonable argument, isnt it? it probably prevented more women from being victims.

            i wonder why more women arent as responsive to the possibility of male victims as men were when women made the same claim? i wonder what can be done to help women and people like you stop laughing and start caring?

          • PDA

            “since i cant reply to you directly, i have to reply to adrien right above you since i suppose that means you dont want to discuss this any further.”

            Seriously dude? You think that I somehow have control over where the “reply” button appears on this web site’s comment system? Maybe easing off on the assumptions would help.

            “and now you intend for us to believe that your “calling into question” of this possiblity, in those words, is your way of saying that you just want more information to determine the facts. and you also state that this is “implied”. but how can that be? you already STATED that this allegation doesnt conform to the facts as you see them.”

            I’ve read this seven times and I still can’t parse it. Barry Nolan quoted a report that had ACTUAL NUMBERS in it. Adrien called it into question without providing supporting evidence of any kind. I questioned that.

            Where, again, is the problem? Opinions, feelings, preconceptions, visceral responses etc. are fine, but they don’t have the same weight as facts? Wouldn’t you agree?

        • makomk

          That’s because the definition of rape which that CDC study uses is gendered. According to the CDC, if a man uses violence (or the threat of violence) to coerce a non-consenting woman into sexual intercourse that’s rape, but if a woman uses violence to do the same to a non-consenting man that isn’t rape. If you take the same CDC survey, but use the “last 12 months” statistics count any kind of forced non-consensual sexual intercourse as rape regardless of who was penetrating whom, then you’ll find a roughly equal number of women and men were raped.

        • Howard

          Barry seems to pick and choose his stats. The CDC study does mention that domestic violence male victims are victimized by predominantly female perpetrators. And in the 12 months prior to this study (the most recent and best data to use due to best memory accuracy), DV victimization is equal between men and women. Rape victimization is equal (if you include men being forced by violence to penetrate someone, which the CDC conveniently omits). If you use that rape definition, the 1 in 71 figure for lifetime stat goes to 1 in 16. Also 42% of victims of severe violence (stabbing, boiling water poured on, choking, slammed against walls) were men. Men were victims of psychological abuse and coercion more than women were by a rather large difference. And even in lifetime victimization, 1 in 3 women were victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence. 1 in 4 men were victims. Not much of a difference, yet VAWA provides little to no funding for helping male victims. And the education given out to schools and courts are biased using those one-sided studies that Barry uses, many of which base their stats on reported incidents- of course men don’t report it since they are in danger of themselves being arrested due to the biased teachings of the DV industry or not believed, like Barry seems to display. Men engaging men to not be violent is funded. Never is there funding for women to engage women to stop their violence- so it’s seen as acceptable. MRA’s want to stop this discrimination and bigotry, they don’t hate women. Yes we hate those feminists and men like yourself that lie and distort the truth to oppress and destroy men and their rights. To assume guilt and throw men out just on accusation alone when estimates are that a large majority of those accusations are false to gain financial and custodial advantages by women. And women found to lie never are prosecuted. So they are rewarded immensely to lie with no risk of losing anything.

        • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man
        • Egalitarian

          The “1 in 71″ stat from the CDC survey doesn’t tell the whole story. It defines “rape” as the attacker penetrating the victim, which excludes women who use their vagina to rape a man (rape by envelopment) which is counted as “made to penetrate”. The very same survey says “1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they were made to penetrate someone else,” which is far more than 1 in 71. Also, the study says that 79.2% of male victims of “made to penetrate” reported only female perpetrators, meaning they were raped by a woman.

          The above, lifetime stats do show a lower percentage of male victims (up to 1.4% rape by penetration + 4.8% made to penetrate = 6.2%) than female victims (18.3%) although this is far more than the 1 in 71 you stated. However, if you look at the report’s stats for the past 12 months, just as many number of men have been “forced to penetrate” as women were raped, meaning that if you properly define “made to penetrate” as rape, men were raped as often as women.

    • Cel

      It is dishonest of you to cite a study from the Bureau of Justice that relies on police data, when it is demonstrably true that the police and legal system discriminate against men, particularly when it comes to domestic violence.

      And no, that is not just my opinion:

      “The feminist definition of domestic violence has skewed arrest and prosecution philosophies, resulting primarily in having only male batterers criminally pursued”

      http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf

      But more to the point, it is disgusting that you keep trying to peddle your dishonesty.

      It is false for you to claim that white men are privileged over white women, when ignoring the fact that in countless tangible and measurable metrics, white women are advantaged.

      It is false for you to claim that men face no issues when there are countless tangible and demonstrable cases of governmental / systemic discrimination against men.

      It is false for you to claim that the men’s rights movement is composed of white men and that men’s issues affect only white men, when, as already stated, systemic discrimination against men affects all men regardless of race.

      But I can see that you are not here for the truth, you are here to push your own agenda.

      Shame on you.

    • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      Barry,

      What about these figures: http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

  • http://www.nomarriage.com Terri

    Author clearly has not been divorced by a woman, where, though he is legally innocent, a judge will automatically order that he lose his children to “visitation” schedule of 4 days per month; lose 18 years of his income (weather he has a job or not); and lose over half his stuff, in a divorce he may not want (unilateral), for little or no reason (no-fault).

    Nor has the author been falsely accused of rape or domestic violence.

    Evidence that drugs are harmful.

    • Barry Nolan

      Dear Terri,
      I am sure you will be pleased to know that I am a divorced father of 3 fabulous children who lived with their mom – while I visited on weekends and vacations – while paying child support and alimony till the day I retire. I do have some experience based insight into such matters.
      Yours truly,
      Barry Nolan

  • Barry Nolan

    Of the 200 people who have been freed from prison by the Innocence Project – because DNA testing proved conclusively that they were not guilty of the crime they were serving time for – 62 percent of those wrongly convicted men were African Americans. They served an average of 12 years in prison for crimes they did not commit.
    http://www.innocenceproject.org/200/ip_200.pdf

    • Check Yourself

      It is very true that men of color are disproportionately affected by wrongful convictions.

      The courts’ bias against men (especially poor men and men of color) is an issue frequently discussed in the MRM.

      Which you would know, if you actually did your research rather than regurgitating the suspect opinion of people supportive of exterminating the male gender with biological and chemical weapons.

      Your article, and the attitude you are displaying in your comments, are a prime example of opposition to men finding justice in the courts and in society.

      • Barry Nolan

        Dear Check Yourself,
        See – this is why people like me think you are crazy. If you really believe that the Southern Poverty Law Center – with a long and distinguished history of fighting bigotry hate and oppression – and is merely quoting facts that easily found in other reputable sources – embraces “the suspect opinion of people supportive of exterminating the male gender with biological and chemical weapons.” – if you really believe that – then you are simply making my point. That is nonsense and you know it is nonsense and when you say it out loud it makes you look crazy. I happen to have been a man all my life. I am not particularly interested in supporting efforts to exterminate myself because I have some things I really need to do next week.

        Good luck,
        Barry Nolan

        • GT66

          So then Barry, why don’t you get the radfemhub documents that have been exposed by the MRM, read them, and explain to us how you square the partnership between radfemhub and the SPLC? Should be simple enough and it would certainly save you the trouble of calling every MRA that brings the topic up “crazy.”

          • Barry

            Dear GT66,

            I have just looked at the web site for RadFems and I found that they are currently concerned with the effects of violent porn – and I just looked at the web site for SPLC – an organization with a long and impressive history of substantive accomplishments. They are involved in protecting – as they have always been – a wide range of minority rights. Your tin foil hat paranoia is silly and a waste of time. Deal with real problems – there are plenty of them that need fixing.

            One of the things that you seem to believe is that you get to tell other people – like me – what to do or say or think. Sorry – you don’t. You also seem to believe that you get to determine what they mean or what they really said. You don’t.

            What I see here in these comments is a lot of what I wrote about – white men complaining about how hard it is to be white men. Sure – individuals can be shot -raped – sick – poor. Individuals of all races and genders can. That’s clearly not the point of the piece. The point is – White men – compared to others – have it pretty damn good. Not just the ones at the top. If you think it is hard to be a white man in America today – you are whiney. And you could never cut it as a person of color – or a woman. Or a gay man in Afghanistan.

            The dim bulbs who have tried to say I am somehow saying people of color shouldn’t organize or complain – apparently are intellectually challenged – and have not comprehended what they have read. I hope they get the help with developing reading skills that they need. Stop whining. Buck up. Be a man. And good luck.

            Barry Nolan

  • http://theantifeminist.com theantifeminist

    Many of the 200,000 men raped in prison each year will be young black men, and many of them will have been incarcerated under laws made my middle-class, middle-aged white women.

    Also, Barry Nolan, you do not seem to understand that a chauffered passenger can have more power than the driver. Male politicians have to slavishly chase the female vote in order to stand any chance of re-election. Men simply do not see male identity or male specific concerns as part of politics. Most women ask politicians what they can do for women.

    A mangina is not somebody who simply ‘likes the company of women’ it is a man who will harm his fellow man in order to gain the company and approval of women.

    The fact that a loose collection of male bloggers, who have in common only the fact that they argue that men are in some ways being disadvantaged by society, can be placed on a hate group watch list simply demonstrates the erosion of rights that this supposedly privilaged group is suffering from.

    • Barry Nolan

      Dear Antifeminist,
      Poppycock. The percentage of female legislators in statehouses around the country is similar to the percentage of female legislators in Congress – 17%. White Males make the rules – and the laws. May I direct your attention to the video above – that refers to the suicide of Tom Ball on the steps of the NH Statehouse. He left behind calling for his fellow “Father’s Rights” supporters to wage war – bomb courthouses and police stations – and kill people. There is a web site in his honor – there is this video and much more. To pretend that they are all merely sad and harmless men pecking away at computers – is hardly accurate.
      Barry Nolan

      • John P

        “To pretend that they are all merely sad and harmless men pecking away at computers – is hardly accurate.”

        Tom Ball was a sad idiot, but he was not part of the MRM. There is a website dedicated to all sorts of evil people, do you associate them with other people who carry the same characteristic? What is wrong with you Barry?

        • Barry Nolan

          Dear John P.,
          At the top of the Tom Ball web site

          http://thomasjamesball.com/

          – there is a link to Mens Rights movement – at the top of that page there is this:

          “This site is brought to you from the Men’s Rights Movement
          as a tribute to another fallen MRA brother.”

          On that same page there are paid ads for other men’s rights movement sites. What is wrong with those people is a much better question.

          Barry Nolan

          • Travis

            Barry,

            None of those sites asked to be listed. You say they are paid ads, please show me proof. By your logic, you linking to the web site advocating
            violence, than you are advocating
            voilence.

            You don’t get it, do you? You are scared of men coming together with other men because you are a bigot. What’s wrong with men’s groups other than you dislike them? Nothing. Congratulations on marganilizing black people, homeless people and male rape victims Barry Nolan.

          • Cotton

            “marganalizing?”

            hmmm… wonder why I’ve never seen “Travis Taylor” in the same room with Kyle Lovett.

            Copy-pasting from your blog and making idiosyncratic spelling errors is a terrible way to stay anonymous, dude.

      • http://theantifeminist.com theantifeminist

        The legislators might be male but the lobby groups pushing for laws that target men are invariably dominated by females, and their wishes are then taken up by legislators seeking re-election from the female vote.

        What struck home for most men’s rights bloggers regarding the self-immolation of Thomas Ball was the almost total absence of coverage in the media. A few months earlier, a similar act by a Tunisian market trader had sparked revolutions across the Arab world. I can’t recall any MRAs championing his call for violent resistance, but the seemingly deliberate suppression of his desperate act by the mainstream media was seen as symbolic of the complete disregard for what the system is doing to thousands of men.

        Now, of course, Thomas Ball’s suffering is being somewhat highlighted at last – in order to paint the men’s rights movement as a bunch of violent lunatics.

        • Barry Nolan

          Dear Anti Feminist –
          I know that it is vexing to many that women got the vote – and now get a say on things like laws. But if you think lobbying groups are dominated by females and their concerns – then you must have never taken a stroll down K street – or its equivalent in state capitals.
          As to the coverage of Mr. Ball’s suicide – covering suicide is always a tough call – you really don’t ever want to run a story that may produce copycat deaths – I know news rooms struggle with what to do about it all the time. But if you – or anyone else really believes is a media conspiracy – well – I can tell you from decades of experience that that is not the case. If you have ever tried to just get a room full of media types to cooperate and agree on just where to order takeout food for a lunch meeting – you would know that a nation wide conspiracy to suppress coverage of a suicide – just isn’t going to happen.
          Regards,
          Barry Nolan

          • tylerv

            “I know that it is vexing to many that women got the vote ”

            Stawman. This exactly the point. MR is not traditionalist, wanting to take back women’s rights. You are just teasing and bating with positions MR doesn’t even take.

      • bob

        this is a logical fallacy. to say that because there are more white males in political office that the interests of white males are being better served – essentially you are stating that ones gender and/or race DETERMINES the gender and racial interests one serves – and this has some implications which i dont think you have fully thought out. by this reasoning we can determine that all female legislators do not represent the interests of men, and that it is impossible for a black legislator to represent whites (and vice versa).

        with this comment you have essentially said that the gender/race of a person DETERMINES the legislative interests which they serve.

        this race and gender deterministic theory of yours makes “racial profiling” seem tame in comparison

  • Dan Zeta

    The DOJ statistics only represent police bias and discrimination against blacks and males.

    Left out of the DOJ statistics is the massive underreporting and lack of arrests by police for domestic violence against men.

    Oh yeah, sentencing disparities are also much greater for gender than they are for race.

  • http://theantifeminist.com theantifeminist

    BTW, the men’s rights movement, if it even exists as such, is a collection of indviduals spread across the world.

    A couple of years ago, we had a situation where the Secretary of State (or equivalent) in the USA, the UK, France, Germany, and Italy, were all female. In the UK and several other countries, it’s almost as if it has been acknowledged that the position has to now be filled by a woman.

    Most countries in Europe, and in many other places, have introduced quotas for female representation in government and in national parliaments. Spain recently had a majority female cabinet.

    Male politicians compete with each other to win the female vote. Female politicians have a duty to serve and to represent women. And yet it is likely that quite soon most countries in Europe will have equal number of males and females in government (though quotas).

    On becoming Prime Minister, David Cameron was set to grant anonymity for male suspects accused of rape. The acting leader of the opposition – Harriet Harman – simply reminded him in parliament that it would be political suicide to upset women voters. He promptly dropped the bill the next day.

    That is how white men rule in today’s world.

    • Gabriel

      The article is discussing the advantages of being a white man in the United States, not the world. The nations of Europe certainly have lapped us several times on this issue, as they have on most human rights issues. But to combine the numbers only hides white men’s relative failure to actually open the halls of power to others, here in the U.S. We certainly don’t get credit for Europe’s progress, while making so little of our own.

  • tylerv

    There is a distinction between male traditionalists and the post-feminism of the Men’s Rights movements. While there are certainly a share of traditionalists and misogynists in Men’s Rights, they do not represent the majority of moderate MR voices. Please look a little deeper. Most of us love women, have loving female relationships, do not want to roll back to traditional patriarchy.

    Thanks for writing about the topic, but please look into the more level headed points made by MR. We are not all just a bunch of angry white men.

  • Dan Zeta

    There is no men’s movement as an organization. There is only a very loose collection of individuals with competing interests sharing and disseminating knowledge in opposition to politically correct narratives that serve our masters by dividing the people into classes.

  • tylerv

    And that video is not flattering for sure. There is, interestingly, a broad political spectrum in MR. There are a significant number of people on the Paul / Tea right, but there are also pleny from the middle and left. I don’t think enough research has been done on the demographics. That would make for some REAL reporting.

    Also, try posting a vid from girlwriteswhat as a more interesting example of MRM. There is alot more in MR to learn than you think.

  • Stacey Shearrion

    From the bottom of my feminist heart, Thank You! You Absolutely Rock!

  • Tom

    Another bog standard attack on men’s equality discourse.

  • theozoph

    Another man at the top trying to prevent men at the bottom from stepping up.

    Men make up the vast majority of the lower classes, and are getting a rougher deal than women everywhere. But if you cast them as the villains oppressing women, the gender infighting makes it even simpler for the privileged 1% to stay confortably at the top.

    A french intellectual recently said that journalists nowadays are either unemployed, or whores. I guess we know where Barry Nolan stands.

    • Barry Nolan

      Dear Theozoph,

      According to those people who count things in the real world, the Census Bureau:

      The poverty rate among women climbed to 14.5 percent in 2010 from 13.9 percent in 2009, the highest rate in 17 years. Men’s poverty rate was lower, rising to 11.2 percent in 2010 from 10.5 percent in 2009.

      And if that were broken out to show just the poverty rate for white men – the gap would be greater – because the data clearly shows that there is a significant gap between the earnings of white versus minorities. And just a reminder – that the title of this article White Men Rule – is a tip off that this article is that about the advantage of being a White Man – in America.

      And who is your French inltellectual? Dominique Strauss-Kahn?

      Regards,
      Barry Nolan

      • tylerv

        Another look at that statistic shows that poverty rate for men climbing faster than women.

        Look, no one here wants to see the poverty rate for anyone go up. There are lots of reasons why women are at a higher rate- some old, some new. It is similar to the wage gap- women work in lower paying job sectors on average than men (social work vs engineering). Noone worth talking to wants anyone to be at a high rate of poverty.

        Yes, white men are still statistically at the top, but in an effort to level the numbers, it has become acceptable to discriminate against any category at the top.

        Also, I am about as liberal as it gets, but that has always been about respect, equality, and humanism to me, not discriminating against any individual for their race or sex.

  • John

    Wow. Mr. Nolan, please take fresh look at these issues and then post an apology when you’ve learned the facts.

  • Gabriel

    Funny article, though about a deplorable attitude which, as the author asserts, is far too prevalent among U.S. white men. It aslso surprises me very little that this issue will make some men so nervous and uncomfortable that they spin vast webs of illogic to distract from the simple issue: white men have it far better than others in the U.S., by every metric. How did rape issues completely take over the discussion thread? It’s only one issue.

    • tylerv

      Sure, white men are statistically at the top. Does that make it ok to discriminate against them? For many people it does. But- this is not a white man’s movement. It is a men’s movement dignity and equality for all.

    • tylerv

      Sure, white men are statistically at the top. Does that make it ok to discriminate against them? For many people it does. But- this is not a white man’s movement. It is a men’s movement- dignity and equality for all.

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear John,

    Per your suggestion – I just went back and double checked my facts – and they are still the same. White men in America – (notice the title of this article – it’s a real tip off as to what this article is about) – hold the vast majority of power positions in America – both in government and commerce. They make more money – and have a lower unemployment rate that other groups. And yet – as you can see by the comments above – they whine about how oppressed they are and how see themselves as disadvantaged to an amazing degree. Simply read the comments above. The angry onslaught of comments from my fellow white men make my point nicely.

    As the article states – SOME men’s right groups generate baloney statistics about how men are the “real victims” of domestic violence.
    But as the actual data from the real world shows:

    The majority (73%) of family violence victims were female. Females were 84% of spouse abuse victims and 86% of victims of abuse at the hands of a boyfriend or girlfriend.

    While about three-fourths of the victims of family violence were female, about three-fourths of the persons who committed family violence were male.

    Here is a link: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvs02.pdf

    Are there published writers who claim differently? Sure – you bet. There is also a society of people dedicated to proving that the bible is literally correct and that the earth revolves around the sun.(http://www.geocentricity.com/bibastron/index.html)

    As for me – I am going with Newton – the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Justice statistics.

    Regards,
    Barry Nolan

    • Marie

      Wow. As a white woman I know that I am insanely privileged over Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities. Yet, I also know that I have been “let go” from jobs where I worked hard just because a was a woman and so was fired first in the downsizing. How many of your protesting readers (white ones anyway) have heard this “I’m letting you go because the men here need to feed their families.”? I was date raped when I was nineteen. I have held my friends through the aftermath of their own rapes and out of the twenty or so of them only one was a guy. I held him too and helped him through it. Women are treated like garbage in America. The leading cause of death for pregnant women is murder by their spouses and boyfriends. Knocked up a girl? That’s fine, just knock her off, she doesn’t matter. Every argument against your article has started with “but men are oppressed!” Not even an acknowledgement that women are being killed just because they are women and therefore not worth protecting. Trayvon gets your sympathy, justly so, that was a horrible example of racism. What about all the women killed by their boyfriends every year? Do they get a march? When will you realize that men have brutalized and abused women for most of human history and most of you still have figured out that that is bad.

      • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

        Feminists hold candle light vigils and take back the night rallies.

        They also stick up for women who maliciously harm men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4VeMJp9pE

    • John

      Either you need to spend more time on this or your bias is so large that you can’t see the forest.

      There’s a difference between “white men” and privileged white men. And to discount the challenges of the many men who’re not white, or straight, or cis-gendered, or wealthy is absurd.

      I have to agree with the other commenter who mentioned that our real challenge is class privilege, not male privilege. Your opinion piece contributes to the problem by encouraging sex and race divisions.

    • Trevor Sedis

      Mr. Nolan could also “prove” that blacks in apartheid South Africa were healthy by compiling data from white hospitals… where “kaffirs” were excluded.

      No wonder he believes feminism’s “cooked” stats!

      Yet the truth is, men who call police for DV assaults are, in many cases, arrested themselves or openly mocked. And if they choose not to report, their “stats” do not appear.

      Plus most battered persons shelters exclude men (Apparently sexism is fine when it benefits females). And most anti-DV ads show men as perps (Imagine a media campaign to eliminate laziness that showed only blacks!).

      One could similarly prove women despised education because so few enrolled, historically, in universities.

      Ergo: lies, damn lies, and feministics!

      So we appear doomed to dueling stats. So be it. As I said, the MRM is growing. And with it, political clout. So let fembots spout their facts. Reality has others.

      We’ll see who prevails.

      No need to complain about the “gender war,” either. Not when men are finally firing back. Women’s groups and their lapdog manginas had 4 decades to listen to half the world…and chose not to.

      Deal with it!

      Also, privilege is a matter of class in most cases, and gender in others (especially when exempting women from life’s exigencies). Like suffrage, most men did not get the right to vote until women did. Before that, it was mostly the land-owning and wealthy who shaped things.

      Many of those serving in government have traditionally come from educated, wealthy classes who helped each other. (They also served in the military, protecting countries). The few at the top had it good. The masses at the bottom, not so much. The word “slavery,” remember, comes from “Slav… referring to those “privileged” men treated like Middle Ages war prizes.

      Finally, if we are to have quotas for women in traditional male spheres, let’s also have them for men in female bastions. For example, until women reach parity in military deaths, THEY will do frontline gruntwork. And men will receive affirmative action per custody until such time as women have “finally done their fair share.” Ditto long-distance truck driving, hi-rise window washing, etc. Women do the dirty, dangerous stuff while guys “man” phone banks and gossip. Women into harness while men do the hardest job in the world: raising kids while “juggling” TV watching, phone texting, and microwaving dinners.

      Fair is fair.

      Masculinism is the radical notion that female flatulence ain’t perfume.

  • Amy

    Mr. Nolan,

    You, Sir, are absolutely right. Just look at the comments that have been generated: Muddied Waters! We have cultural ADD and can’t seems to remain focused.

  • Rebecca Hoch

    Why can’t all people simply teach their children not to rape??? And while we’re at it, make castration and for women, clit removal, the ONLY punishment for doing it? That seems to be a great solution to me. Especially if men in government keep trying to mess with my reproductive organs. They’re going to find themselves being removed from government by women voters very soon. Teach children that rape is punished severely, and watch how the statistics dwindle in number. Just my 2 cents.

  • Ryan

    Your logic is:
    rich people=white male, so therefore
    White male=rich people.

    That’s silly. I’ll let your intelligent thinking elaborate so I don’t have to do it.

  • Ken

    Frankly, I don’t see much difference between commentary like this and that of someone who would say, “Blacks don’t have it so bad! After all, we’ve got an African-American President! We’ve got an African-American Supreme Court Justice!” The fact that Barry Nolan has, apparently, had a great life handed to him on the proverbial silver platter is not proof that all white males have it easy.

    • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      Barry believes his situation applies to every white male. He had it easy so in his mind every white male has or had it easy.

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear Ken,
    Powerful counter punch. In 220 years of history – we have had one African American serve as President and a whopping two serve as Supreme Court Justices. Wow. What’s for them to complain about? Once again, my thanks to my fellow white men for helping me prove my point. A point that comedian Louis CK makes far better than I in this profanity laden bit of stand up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TG4f9zR5yzY

    Regards,
    Barry Nolan

    • John

      I read in a previous reply that you have experience with the family court. Have you looked into what happens when a father loses his job and can no longer pay the court-ordered support and alimony? Have you considered what would happen to you personally if you lost your source of income? Until you’ve been there, please do not lecture “men” about how easy they have it.

      • Barry Nolan

        Dear John,
        Thank you for bringing that up about family court. Yes, I have “been there” in fact, I have lost my source of income – including rather famously getting fired for saying true things about Bill O’Reilly that other white men apparently didn’t like. And I have still managed to support my children – send them to college – help them get a start in life – and maintain a close and loving relationship with them. But all that has nothing to do with anything. I know I am lucky. And I realize that all cases are different – and I know that not all white men are rich, handsome or have it easy. That is not what this article is about and that is not what it says.

        What it says is that – overall – white men as a demographic group are subject to far fewer constraints on their ability to rise and prosper than people of any other race or gender. Comparatively, they have it made. And the data bears that out. So while it may be valid for any individual any where any time l to legitimately complain that they personally got a raw deal – for white men in general to whine about how these days white men in general are an oppressed class – is really pretty silly. And whiney. And embarrassing.

        Regards,
        Barry Nolan

        • John

          It says “White Men Rule.” It doesn’t say “Rich White Men Rule,” which would be somewhat accurate.

          I appreciate the courage it took to stand up for your beliefs, but this article does more harm than good and paints an unrealistic picture of gender relations. Poor white men do not “rule.” Gay white men do not “rule.” Disabled white men do not “rule.”

          And marginalizing the concerns of non-white men is offensive. I expect better from a writer or your talent and intelligence.

          • PDA

            Barry: ‘white men AS A DEMOGRAPHIC GROUP are subject to far fewer constraints on their ability to rise and prosper than people of any other race or gender. Comparatively, they have it made.’

            John: ‘Poor white men do not “rule.” Gay white men do not “rule.” Disabled white men do not “rule.”’

            John, if you could explain to me how your comment in any way relates to what Barry said, I’d appreciate it.

            The point of this article – like many that have raised the ire of MRAs – is that white American men IN GENERAL, AS A GROUP, have it pretty good COMPARED TO OTHER GROUPS. This does not mean that every single white man has it good compared to every single woman or every single man of color. It’s simple logic.

            I used to be more charitable, and assume that MRAs were just making logical mistakes when they use the “what about poor men/homeless men/men in prison/etc” retort. However, it’s used so consistently and so doggedly online that it’s increasingly difficult to see it as anything other than a derailing tactic.

            Again: saying that SPECIFIC men have it bad does not invalidate the premise that IN GENERAL have it pretty good.

            Anyone NOT get that?

          • John

            @PDA

            Your “group” does not exist. The privilege is wealth, not gender.

            There are vast inequalities in the U.S, and this nonsense isn’t helping.

          • PDA

            So, John, you’re not going to speak to the rhetorical fallacy, and instead you’re going to double down with a second one? Doesn’t it make you anxious at all that you can’t defend your position fairly, but have to keep playing these games?

            For those playing at home: talking about one form of privilege doesn’t mean that there are no other forms of privilege. It is assumed that John knows this, but having no argument, he’s pretty much throwing everything he has against the wall in hope that something sticks.

          • John

            @PDA

            Sorry for taking so long to reply, I was busy enjoying my “white male privilege” of cutting coupons so I can buy enough food to feed my family.

            I decided you’re right; the problem isn’t class-inequality, it’s all the perks that come with being a working-class male.

            Thanks so-much for explaining it to me.

    • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      There was also a bunch of white male Democrats who tried to lynch a black man in Congress and they did this by hiding behind a black female. Also a white male and white female ruined a black man’s chance of becoming president. These white people were liberals such as yourself. What do you say to that?

  • Kaybee

    Good Grief!
    I’ve been reading Barry Nolan’s articles for quite some time. I find him to be interesting, intelligent, articulate, humorous, thoughtful and also sincere. I must say I am flabbergasted to read all the “rhubarb-rhubarb” this article has generated. Methinks he struck a nerve somewhere. (ya’ think?) From a distance these rather rabid responses say far more about the responders than about the article itself. A deep breath, perhaps? Or is this some sort of personal vendetta…that has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the article.
    At any rate,
    Good grief.

    • John Jackson

      Kaybee – VAWA has a lot of problems and Barry isn’t acknowledging them. He is instead taking the position of, “if you’re against VAWA then you must be either crazy, pro-violence, or highly privileged.” The whole article is full of logical fallacies and name calling.

    • http://shigekuni.wordpress.com/ Shigekuni

      Kaybee, a link to this blog was shared in the tiny but hate filled MRA/MRM/… blogosphere, and I suspect on Reddit too. It seems like a lot of comments were generated, but it’s just the tiny MRM hate-osphere heating up. In fact, as correctly identified earlier, you can even recognize individual silly MRM ‘thinkers’. Following this comment thread it’s remarkable how little this small group is interested in debate and instead throwing out silly talking points.

      There’s a remarkable standup by Lous CK on the same topic, making the same points just a bit more succinctly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

  • Maxwell

    “This perspective may help clarify a paradox in men’s lives, a paradox in which men have virtually all the power and yet do not feel powerful…being seen as unmanly is a fear that propels American men to deny manhood to others, as a way of proving the unprovable—that one is fully manly”

    Kimmel, “Masculinity as Homophobia”:
    http://tinyurl.com/bo7bf24

  • Dyandria

    My dective husband raped our daughter at the age of 5&6. The is medical evidence and photographs of him. Masturbating in bed with her. The anti-family court gave him custody. She’s now brain dead. The DA protected him. He was never arrested. After making my case public, hundreds of other woman came forward with similar cases. I only paid attention to those who had evidence of abuse. Very sad.

  • karen

    Thank you.
    Now I’m going to retreat back to the quiet solitude of my life, crawled away from the world and most people in it. Knowing its a man’s world, and to hell with it.
    They deserve the world they’re making.

  • gjdj

    Totally agree with you that whites are privileged compared to blacks.

    It’s not as clear that men are privileged compared to women. In fact, I’d say that both men and women have comparable advantages and disadvantages.

    Who gets to lead countries more? men
    Who gets to lead businesses more? men
    Who gets to be in STEM fields? men
    Who gets PhDs? men
    Who makes more money on average? men
    Who gets more undergrad degrees? women
    Who is less likely to drop out of high school? women
    Who lives longer? women
    Who do we spend more on health care? women
    Who makes more household spending decisions (there is power in actually using the cash)? women
    Who is less likely to be homeless? women
    Who is less likely to go to prison? women
    Who get shorter prison sentences for a given crime? women
    Who is less likely to be a victim of violent crime? women

    homeless data:
    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/facts/Whois.pdf (page 2)

    violent crime data:
    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/vsxtab.cfm

    Now precisely, who is better off men or women is arguable. It depends on one’s values. But it is at least arguable. My position is that gender differences should be reduced, but it should be applied in both areas where women have an advantage and areas where men have an advantage.

    Note that there is no question than white people are privileged. For all 14 criteria I mentioned above, white people come out ahead. Definitely we need programs to help out racial minorities.

    • forgottenjack

      This is the sanest and most reasonable comment here. Even Mr. Nolan can admit that there are SOME advantages to being a woman. It is all a matter of perspective. If you want to part of the group which is traditionally protected and provided for, then you are better of being female. The only problem is that we have no choice in the matter of what we are born as.

  • petabytes

    Just want to say thanks for this article, and sorry the angry internet hordes are trolling so hard. You don’t have to dig too deep into the MRM websites before you come out feeling like you need to be sterilized in an autoclave…

    • tylerv

      “You don’t have to dig too deep into the MRM websites before you come out feeling like you need to be sterilized”

      The same goes for any feminist website. Your arrogance is laughable.

  • Helka

    I think the whining MRAs below just made Barry’s point for him.
    Dear MRAs, Stop being so emotional about everything and face the facts of your own privilege.

    • bob

      ive been saying the same thing to feminists for years, but they seem to think when people tell them to shut up regarding issues that are important to them that need to be addressed by society that im being sexist.

      i guess its good that im not a sexist…because if i were, then you would be too, wouldnt you?

  • Karen Waller

    Thanks for this great reminder of how easy it is to forget the enormous privilege we (all) enjoy, until we really look around. I grew up in the 50’s and remember that, even though our finances were always pinched and we were accustomed to making do with far fewer material goods than folks do now, we had food and a roof and the opportunities were enormous, compared to the huge barriers and inequities that affected our African American neighbors. It was also a matter of accepted course that women would make half or less for the same work a man might do, and usually do it with a different title. And I’ll bet that one out of every four women I know from that era have suffered some kind of physical abuse, including rape, most unreported. The changes that have taken place, in leveling some of these holes in our social fabric, are huge, but there are still subtle forms of privilege that many of us, having always enjoyed, take for granted. That doesn’t mean that hard times aren’t hard for anyone who is hit with loss of a job, disability, or other wrenching changes, it just means that it’s so easy to overlook the privileges and protections that have always been there. The Violence Against Women Act needs to be reauthorized!

  • gjdj

    Totally agree with you that whites are privileged compared to blacks.

    It’s not as clear that men are privileged compared to women. In fact, I’d say that both men and women have comparable advantages and disadvantages.

    Who gets to lead countries more? men
    Who gets to lead businesses more? men
    Who gets to be in STEM fields? men
    Who gets PhDs? men
    Who makes more money on average? men
    Who gets more undergrad degrees? women
    Who is less likely to drop out of high school? women
    Who lives longer? women
    Who do we spend more on health care? women
    Who makes more household spending decisions (there is power in actually using the cash)? women
    Who is less likely to be homeless? women
    Who is less likely to go to prison? women
    Who get shorter prison sentences for a given crime? women
    Who is less likely to be a victim of violent crime? women

    Now precisely, who is better off men or women is arguable. It depends on one’s values. But it is at least arguable. My position is that gender differences should be reduced, but it should be applied in both areas where women have an advantage and areas where men have an advantage.

    Note that there is no question than white people are privileged. For all 14 criteria I mentioned above, white people come out ahead. Definitely we need programs to help out racial minorities.

  • Carly

    Barry, thank you for your honest, well researched and excellent article! Thanks also for adding a touch of your charming humor. I also applaud the way you handle malicious attacks that are often based on untruths. I always enjoy reading your articles. While I may not always agree with you I always appreciate that you are clear in your opinion verses fact! I agree with everything in this article!! Keep writing and I will keep reading, Barry!
    Respectfully,
    Carly

  • BUDDY JAMES

    Being a rapist, a batterer, a murderer doesn’t apply to being a good man/father or good woman/mother. Curiously [WE] all agree the Nation’s judges and the Family Court should be abolished. Tom Bell’s suicide is [of course] a horrific tragedy. The 200 children [that mostly fathers were awarded custody of] killed by fathers since 2010 in custody disputes is horrific. The nation’s courts and judges do not protect children, evidenced by Jerry Sandusky’s judge, who typically, issued a court order allowing Jerry Sandusky visits and contact with his grandchildren, despite being charged with 53 counts of child abuse.

  • Dina

    Right on, Barry. And btw, the man on the video is way out to lunch (that’s the printable version of what I’m really thinking). “Stealth Genocide?” C’mon! And then his rant that included his factoid that ‘people of the lower class don’t care ’cause they spend most of their time in jail anyway’? Really?! Crazy video man aside, the idea that reauthorizing the violence against women act is anything but sensible and obvious is not laughable, it’s scary. Thanks, Barry, for compiling a sane, concise and funny perspective on the pretend war on men and families.

  • Tommy Anderson

    I have seen some threads go off topic, but this one takes the cake. The article was written to point out that all these whining white guys out there really are doing well compared to anyone else (or anything else) and isn’t it about time to shut up about how bad the middle class has it? You can always give your middle class money to charity and try living in a slum. See how rough white guys have it? Geeeezzz.

    • GT66

      Funny how you assume there are no white people living in slums. I guess like Barry Nolan, stereotyping and classifying is okay if it is making your point. And, anyone who protests is just a whiner who validates your point.

  • John Rodgers

    So why not not just shine a light and incite a racial uprising? Good idea! I think we ALL should be moving toward EQUALITY in ALL aspects of life. However, to SPOTLIGHT, either arena is adding fuel to a fire that burns out of control already. Do not focus on where things are weighed heavy, just focus on balancing them out. A blog like this is FODDER for HATE MONGERS. You just gave those on the opposite end a reason to be angry. I am 53 and when I was a child racism against hispanics, blacks, jews, and asians was 1000% worse than it is now. Most women were stay at home moms and didn’t have higher education. Also, White males outnumbered the rest of the population.There are MILLIONS of women earning very high wages, holding important positions in major corporations, thousands of women in poliitcs, female doctors, same thing for all ethnic groups. There are more black millionaires today from sports entertainment & rap, then there are white sports and music moguls.THINGS ARE IMPROVING DRAMATICALLY. If you stop CREATING A BOOGEYMAN, maybe we can live in peace. What this guy just wrote is reverse discrimination. I am a white male. I feel awful about how things were in the past. I am PROUD that my generation has been instrumental in bringing about change. I’LL BE DAMNED IF I AM GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING WHITE! I’LL BE DAMNED IF I AM GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF CONDITIONS I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH AND HAVE BEEN WORKING ALL MY LIFE TO SUPPRESS. JERKS!

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear John,
    You seem to be having trouble either grasping the point – or reading the post. This is not an attack on white men. I think it’s fine when people do well. I would like to see all people do well. It is a critique of white men who whine about how hard it is to be a white man. Because comparatively – as a group – it is not hard to be a white men. Individual white men certainly have real problems – some are poor – some are diseased – some are in prison – some have been victims of crime – some are quite clearly stupid and must have all kinds of problems operating things like vending machines. But generally – if you compare them to other groups – it is pretty silly to complain about how hard it is to be a white man. But as you can see here – plenty do. Here they have even complained that women live longer – though most of our shorter life span comes from eating too much pie, becoming a permanent part of our BarcaLoungers and inventing games that you can play with power tools. It is our own fault and not some other group holding us down – back or in.

    Buck up my good man. You have it pretty good.

    Sincerely,
    Barry Nolan

    • gjdj

      First of all, as a group, MRAs don’t argue that white men are worse off than black men. They argue that men have significant issues. I think that most MRAs would agree that the two most privileged groups in society are white men and white women. Who is #1 would be debatable. From the MRA perspective, if you have a problem with white men complaining you should have an equal problem with white women complaining.

      re: women living longer. You are arguing that men are responsible for not living longer. And if you look at it from a certain perspective that is true. Men take jobs that are more likely to lead to accidents – no one forces them. Men probably eat more unhealthily – no one forces them. Men take more risks and get in more car accidents – no one forces them. Men don’t bother to see the doctor. But at some level society encourages these choices. Men are expected to provide for families so they take on more dangerous jobs to earn more money. Men can be mocked as wimps and unmasculine if they eat just salad, or drive too safely, or go to the doctor for a minor ailment – and that leads to social sanctions: fewer friends, fewer girlfriends, loss of leader status etc. Basically, individual choice is part of it but societal pressure is another part.

      But you have to recognize that women too have agency. I believe this is where you are mistaken Mr. Nolan. If women are underrepresented in science and technology, it’s partially because they aren’t choosing to go into science and technology. Yes, social factors play a part: girls are encouraged to play with dolls rather than blocks or cars. Engineering is presented as a geeky field. Some people don’t believe that women can be good at math. Women aren’t expected to provide for a husband and so don’t worry about pay as much when choosing a field. But women do have agency and can choose to go into math or engineering and excel at it. Many (but not enough) do. If you are going to say that men are responsible for their own choices, then you have to say that women are responsible for their own choices. Unless you think men have agency and women don’t (which would be sexist).

      My personal take is that society plays a big role in both men living shorter lives and women not going into STEM fields.

    • Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)

      “Dear John,
      You seem to be having trouble either grasping the point”

      No Barry. You are a man hating, IgnorMANus, sexist and discriminatory bigot that has made it into CAF.

      http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Forums2/tabid/369/forumid/193/threadid/1977/scope/posts/Default.aspx

  • bob

    “white men…”

    stop. right there. in just two words, this article is already racist. please tell me; what other demographic could one begin an article full of negative stereotypes (some true and some untrue) like this one does with the words “black women”, or “gay men”, etc.

    why is it the same people that tell us racism is wrong, and that calling attention to race and gender is a BIG no-no, especially if followed by negative information, are the first to do so when the targets are white and/or male?

    • PDA

      “why is it the same people that tell us racism is wrong, and that calling attention to race and gender is a BIG no-no, especially if followed by negative information, are the first to do so when the targets are white and/or male?”

      Seriously? Hey, Bob: 1972 called. They want their straw-man argument back.

      Somewhere near the top of every introductory article about racism is some version of the formulation “racism=prejudice+power.” It’s oversimplified, but hopefully you can spend more than a couple of seconds in reflection of the idea.

      • bob

        oh i agree with that equation. and what i see being exercised here is the power of media being used to essentially demonize any effort for men to assert that they, as a class and a gender, have the right to organize on these grounds to address issues disadvantageous to them, the same as women do and did in 72, and today.

        would you like to know how many posts of mine here have been deleted thus far, despite my civility? the ability to silence dissent, and control the conversation – now THATS power, isnt it?

        sorry, but double standards are double standards, and prejudice is prejudice, irrespective of “power”, either real or immagined. if its NOT ok to generalize negatively about certain groups and genders, please explain to me why it IS acceptable to do so about other groups and genders? how is that “equality” – which is, after all, what all reasonable people want…isnt it?

      • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

        You’re just another liberal sheep that follows the flock where ever they run. There is no use in trying to reason with you because you do not withdraw from the libborg collective that is feeding you crap.

  • Sterling

    Thank you for this post. It’s very helpful for me in particular.
    It’s been more than 36 hours since the last time I self flagellated for the crimes of the patriarchy. I find that if I don’t do that at least once a day, that I get too comfortable with the birth defect known as the y-chromosome.

    Once, after a long stretch I lost so much self hatred that I somehow acquired the unthinkably disrespectful cheek to dream of a world in which men and women might have equal value. Can you believe it? Horrendous!

    So it’s better to keep posting things like this in order to ensure that there will never be equality. No matter what, men must repent and suffer for whatever feminist clergymen tell them they’re responsible for – be it the patriarchy or the original male sin – you know – the sin of not being female.

  • Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)

    Barry,
    your disgraceful article is a good reason why I am denouncing my last name of Nolan. I do not want to be associated with men like you.

    Try reading this site to see how men are treated today.

    http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com/australia/Home.aspx

  • Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c)

    “Of the 100 members of the U.S. Senate, just 17 are women. And in the entire history of our country, only six African American have served in the Senate. White men rule.”

    Hey, idiot Barry…

    War dead 2% or less women.
    Workplace dead 7% women
    Incarcerated 10% women
    Homeless 10% women
    Alimony payers 1% women
    Child support payers 1% women

    Number of womens groups “fighting the patriarchy for the oppression of women in their under representation of women in these groups”?

    ZERO

    Gee. Women are so oppressed.

    I DESPISE men like you Barry Nolan.

    If I were to meet you in the street I would beat the living daylights out of you for publishing these lies.

    Your lies will live forever on CAF. I hope your sons read how much you hate them.

    Peter-Andrew: Nolan who is moving to Joschua-Brandon: Boehm because germans know what Nazis look like. They look like you. And they do not want the likes of you to happen again.

  • John Rambo

    I am an American man, and I have decided to never marry an American woman. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?

    American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.

    I encourage ALL American men to NEVER MARRY American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.

    Tens of millions of American men have had their lives completely destroyed by American women through the following crimes:

    1. False rape accusations (it has been proven that up to 80 percent of rape accusations are FALSE)

    2. False domestic violence (DV) charges (same as above)

    3. Financial destruction of men in divorce courts through alimony and support payments (women get up to 95 percent of their ex-husband’s income and savings, as well as the house, car, etc)

    4. Emotional destruction of men by ex-wives who have stolen their children from them and forbidden contact

    5. Divorced dads who commit suicide as a result

    Not one single American woman has EVER condemned their fellow American women for committing these crimes against men. Silence means consent. Therefore, American women support and enjoy destroying men’s lives and causing men to commit suicide. Apparently, American women think it is okay to be a criminal, just as long as you are a woman. Therefore, is it any surprise that a huge percent of American men no longer want anything to do with American women, other than using them for easy sex and then throwing them away?

    Another reason to never marry or have children with an American woman: 60 percent of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN to children, according to US Government statistics. Therefore, the majority of child abuse/molestation in America is done by WOMEN. Also, did you know that 1 out of 4 women in America take psychiatric drugs for mental disorders? Yes, AMERICAN WOMEN ARE INSANE! Oh, and just one more interesting fact- 70 percent of criminals in America were raised by single mothers. Single mothers produce future criminals. Criminals destroy society. Thus, feminism destroys society.

    When confronted with this evidence, American/western women will deny any responsibility for their own criminal actions and behaviors, and will attack the man who is presenting these facts and evidences. This is proof that American/western women are a bunch of liars, hypocrites, and criminals. They REFUSE to accept the FACT that they have destroyed tens of millions of men’s lives and ruined the lives of millions of children as well. It is because American/western women have become sociopathic man-haters. Far from being “equal” to men, American/western women can’t even take responsibility for their own actions, which is the trait of any normal adult. Thus, American/western women are just a bunch of spoiled little children. They are NOT equal to men. American women REFUSE to accept the truth of how evil and vile they have become. American/western women are living in their own pathetic little fantasy world, where they think they are a perfect little princess. Sorry, but you are NOT a perfect little princess. In fact, you American/western women are the most hideous, disgusting, monstrous creatures on the face of the earth.

    Another thing I noticed, is that whenever you bring up the topic of western men marrying asian women in front of an American/western woman, she will make some racist and hateful comment about asian women, calling them “slaves” or “mail order brides”. My question is this: If American/western women are so “independent”, “confident”, “strong”, and “empowered” like they claim to be, why do they feel threatened by Asian women? Why are American/western women so jealous towards Asian women? The real reason is this- Asian women are 1000 times superior to American/western women, and any western man who has dated/married an Asian woman will tell you this.

    Over 50 percent of American women are single, without a boyfriend or husband; so the fact is most American men no longer want to marry American women. Let these worthless American women grow old living alone with their 10 cats.

    NEVER MARRY AN AMERICAN OR WESTERN WOMAN! BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN!

    http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/

  • kayanna kirby

    @barry great article. I agree. I don’t know why so many men today hate women.

    Please don’t let these people involve you in a silly disagreement.
    They are trying to pick at everything you said without listening.I think your post hit

    • echofoxtrot

      And it is readily apparent that you are as much a bigoted female chauvinist as is Barry.

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear Folks,

    As you can see from the comments here – many of those who have responded to this piece are deeply disturbed individuals – irrational – filled with rage and seething with resentment about slights or events – real or imagined – they comment here – raving about a post that suggests it is unseemly to whine about being white and male. Not that it is wrong to be white and male – not that it is bad to be white and male – merely that whining about being white and male is really pretty silly given the reality that others face – day in and day out.

    I hope their intemperate madness has not been too disturbing to some of you who simply wished to make an mild observation or comment of your own. But this does illustrates why the SPLC has begun putting some men’s rights groups on their list of hate groups to be monitored. It is disturbing -but I hope not dangerous – the phenomena is clearly deserving of our attention.

    I hope some of these folks get the professional help they so clearly need. I thank you all for your comments and wish you well.

    Sincerely,
    Barry Nolan

    • Sarah Big Fan

      Barry, you ROCK! Great article! Thanks for articulating the obvious – that white men enjoy huge power imbalances. Thank you for standing up like a real man, people everywhere are indebted to you.
      Signed, Sarah, A Huge Fan.

      PS Your wife rocks too

    • Trevor Sedis

      The MMC (Modern Mangina Code) seems to be: “When you can’t stand the heat, exit the kitchen while name-calling.”

      In another time, would Barry have castigated feminists as mentally unstable?

      Or bashed uppity Irish newcomers for being “hate-filled” and anti-Brahmin?

      It’s the same old song. “Different voices” get marginalized… until they become mainstream. Then they marginalize in turn. Ever it’s been thus.

      Even five years ago this Comments section would have been filled with kudos-tossers. It would have been deemed cool beans for women’s groups to jangle grapevines to alert their cadres to participate. Bashing men, after all, was almost an Olympic sport. But today? Countering Barry (who’s doing a little “whining” himself now) is still verboten, called un-American, etc. but to no avail. MRAs won’t retreat. Filling the air with feminist cant and attempting to ban Free Speech (the better to protect delicate female minds?) won’t work.

      Forty years ago first-wave feminists were also called hysterical whiners.. often by other women. Books were written about THE TOTAL WOMAN, saying female salvation resided in greeting Mr. Workingdrone in a clear Saran Wrap “dress,” proffered martini in-hand. Feminists kept organizing, protesting, marching. Today the target is men daring to speak their truths after years of silence.

      Threaten traditional biases and you get traditional put-downs.

      Only it won’t work. Not when women’s groups can openly threaten harm to men with impunity while men’s groups noting misandry get blacklisted as “haters.”

      Limbaugh was threatened with boycotts and worse for calling a woman a name on his entertainment show. Don Imus actually LOST his job for a similar stunt. Meanwhile, Sharon Osbourne, on an all-female panel with a mostly female audience (in-studio and out) laughed hysterically (as did the other women), recounting a news story about a woman who’d drugged her divorce-seeking husband, tied him up, amputated his sex organ, then threw it in a garbage disposal.

      Apparently those who think calling women names is a capital offense thought it hilarious when a man was actually butchered. Sharon did not lose her job. The show was not cancelled. There was no boycott. Women’s groups did not protest gender violence. Because, well, only a man suffered.

      And males aren’t supposed to notice?

      So what’s Barry’s point: that rich, powerful people are rich and powerful? No. That’s a cover for the real deal: Manginamania! He went from the obvious (“Hey, did you know rich people have more money and can eat at swell eateries?”) to his real target: The men’s movement. Suddenly wealth and skin color morphed into defending VAWA (the new Dred Scott legal horror), mocking the men’s movement, and fear-mongering.
      We also heard that Thomas Ball was disturbed (about what?) and that if media had covered his death there might have been copycats.

      Yikes!

      Meanwhile, another mother throws her kid off a bridge; or someone kills students in a California college; and that DOES get reported. Apparently there is no worry that women might kill their children after learning another mother did. Or that Korean kids might start shooting nursing students for kicks.

      Does Barry decry women who, living longer, inherit their rich husband’s assets? Does he lambaste Tiger Woods’ wife for getting half of what HE spent his life perfecting? (Oh, I forgot: Her career was in “looking nice” as a human clothes-rack for others’ creations). Or did Mr. Nolan just think he could male-bash and get away with it?

      Maybe he’s naive. Let’s hope so. Because a mangia is not just someone who hates his own gender, he actively seeks to harm it.

      The phenomenon is not unheard of. Bullied kids often become bullies themselves. And Jewish kapos and sonderkommandos abetted their masters, too, against fellow Jews. So maybe Barry, post-divorce, suffers from a sorta gendered “Stockholm Syndrome.”

      Still, I’m sure he feels protected as a rich white male (whom I sure was just handed his fame like Robin Young, Sara Edwards, Tom Bergeron, and others…right?). Yet he is one call from a false harassment suit, domestic violence arrest, etc. I bet he thinks such things only happen to bad guys. Yet one misstep and he’d find out that sometimes women lie for fun and profit, jealousy and revenge. And that he has, in fact, little power compared to women. Divorce court would seem a picnic by comparison.

      The problem is not women acting nuts. It’s that law/culture not only condones it, it rewards it while punishing men.

      Nolan is to the MRM what Schlafly was to the ERA. What Alec Guinness’ character was in “Bridge on the River Kwai.” What Quisling was to Norwegian politics.

      In another time, would he have castigated feminists as mentally unstable?

      Or bashed uppity Irish newcomers for being “hate-filled” and anti-Brahmin?

      It’s the same old song. “Different voices” get marginalized….until they become mainstream. Then they marginalize in turn. Ever it’s been thus.

      Even five years ago this Comments section would have been filled with kudos-tossers. It would have been deemed cool beans for women’s groups to jangle grapevines to alert their cadres to participate. Bashing men. after all, was almost an Olympic sport. But today? Countering Barry (who’s doing a little “whining” himself now) is still verboten, called unAmerican, etc. to no avail. MRAs won’t retreat. Filling the air with feminist cant and attempting to ban Free Speech (the better to protect delicate female minds?) won’t work.

      Forty years ago first-wave feminists were also called hysterical whiners.., often by other women. Books were written about THE TOTAL WOMAN, saying female salvation resided in greeting Mr. Workingdrone in a Saran Wrap “dress,” proffered martini in-hand. Feminists kept organizing, protesting, marching. Today the target is men daring to speak their truths after years of silence.

      Threaten traditional biases and you get traditional put-downs.

      Only it won’t work. Not when women’s groups can openly threaten harm to men with impunity while men’s groups noting misandry get blacklisted as “haters.”

      Limbaugh was threatened with boycotts and worse for calling a woman a name on his entertainment show. Don Imus actually LOST his job for a similar stunt. Meanwhile, Sharon Osbourne, on an all-female panel with a mostly female audience (in-studio and out) laughed hysterically (as did the other women), recounting a news story about a woman who’d drugged her divorce-seeking husband, tied him up, amputated his sex organ, then threw it in a garbage disposal.

      Apparently those who think calling women names is a capital offense thought it hilarious when a man was actually butchered. Sharon did not lose her job. The show was not cancelled. There was no boycott. Women’s groups did not protest gender violence. Because, well, only a man suffered.

      And males aren’t supposed to notice?

      So what’s Barry’s point: that rich, powerful people are rich and powerful? No. That’s a cover for the real deal: Manginamania! He went from the obvious (“Hey, did you know rich people have more money and can eat at swell eateries?”) to his real target: The men’s movement. Suddenly wealth and skin color morphed into defending VAWA (the new Dred Scott legal horror), mocking the men’s movement, and fear-mongering.
      We heard that Thomas Ball was disturbed (about what?) and that if media had covered his death there might have been copycats.

      Yikes!

      Meanwhile, another mother throws her kid off a bridge; or someone kills students in a California college; and that DOES get reported. Apparently there is no worry that women might kill their kids after learning another mother did. Or that Korean kids might start shooting nursing students for kicks.

      Does Barry decry women who, living longer, inherit their rich husband’s assets? Does he lambaste TIger Woods wife getting half of what HE spent his life perfecting (Oh, I forgot: She got paid to, uh, look nice). Or did he just think he could male-bash and get away with it?

      Maybe he’s naive. Let’s hope so. Because a mangia is not just someone who hates his own gender, he activelyy seeks to harm it.

      The phenomenon is not unheard of. Bullied kids often become bullies themselves. And Jewish kapos and soderkommandos abetted their masters, too, against fellow Jews. So maybe Barry, post-divorce, suffers from a sorta gendered “Stockholm Syndrome.”

      Still, I’m sure he feels protected as a rich white male (whom I sure was just handed his fame like Robin Young, Sara Edwards, Tom Bergeron, and others…right?). Yet he is one call from a false harassment suit, domestic violence arrest, etc. I bet he thinks such things only happen to bad guys. Yet one misstep and he’d find out that sometimes women lie for fun and profit, jealousy and revenge. And that he has, in fact, little power compared to women. Divorce court would seem a picnic by comparison.

      The problem is not women acting nuts. It’s the laws and culture that not only condones it, but rewards it while punishing men.

      Nolan is to the MRM what Shclafly was to the ERA. What Alec Guinness’ character was in Bridge on the RIver Kwai. What Quisling was in Norwegian political history.

  • Michael

    How do you know that opposition to the reauthorization of VAWA comes from a hatred of minorities? Are you certain that our problem with it doesn’t stem from its inherently sexist anti-male structure?

    Also, would you mind linking to those “baloney statistics” so that we could judge for ourselves, or are you concerned that we might find your assessment to be the real baloney.
    I’ll help you out.
    To all of those wondering about these baloney statistics used by Men’s Rights Activists, here’s a sample. A man by the name of Martin S. Fiebert of California State University went out of his way to collect and verify over 200 studies on the nature of domestic violence. What did all these studies have in common? They all found that men make up roughly HALF of all domestic violence victims. http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/01/30/a-hidden-crime-domestic-violence-against-men-is-a-growing-probl/ Does that make men the “real victims” of dv? No. But it does disprove the commonly held notion that male victims don’t exist. It also raises a few uncomfortable questions about how we deal with half the problem. Namely, why aren’t the so called experts on domestic violence doing anything to help the male half of victims and the female half of perpetrators? Why does VAWA, a law you seem to believe addresses domestic violence fairly, deny any funding for male shelters? And, let’s not forget, why are you lying about this?

  • Felix

    The comments on your article really prove your points! You’re attracting quite the variety of devoted whiners.

    More people enjoying the show over at Manboobz.com…

  • Barry Nolan

    Dear Michael,
    I will politely ignore the way you misstate what I said – what I actually said was: “Grassley and the far right don’t want to see it pass in its current form because it extends some of its protections to LGBT victims, Native American victims, and some illegal immigrants” And the reason I say that is I read Mr. Grassley’s words and the words of other GOP Senators who oppose the bill in its present form. Another case of the press reporting what people actually say. You can read about for yourself in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/us/politics/violence-against-women-act-divides-senate.html?pagewanted=all
    As for baloney statistics – groups like SAVE – and commenter SIG above – grotesquely misrepresent the findings of studies – just follow the link I provide in a reply to Sig – go read the findings yourself – there is no debate among serious researchers that women make up the vast majority of victims of intimate partner violence. Those who try to torture a different reading out of the statistics – including right wing women by the way like the truly awful Phyllis Schlafly – are selling baloney and they know it –

    Barry Nolan

  • SauronsContactLens

    This guy is a jerk. I’m perfectly willing to admit that racism exists- of course it does- and I’ll even admit that sexism exists, though not to the same degree as racism. But it’s one thing to acknowledge that, and quite another to make it ALL ABOUT THAT.

    If this Barry guy wants to claim that his life has been “like T-ball”, that’s his goddamn perogative. Maybe it has. But said perogative pretty much ends there. Don’t be talking condescendingly about “all white men” like some kind of heavenly representative. This guy doesn’t know me. He has no idea what my life is like, or what I’ve been through, or what any individual white man has gone through and personally, given this fact, I would argue that he should shut his mouthhole.

    • SauronsContactLens

      Okay. That was really rude, and I apologize. To clarify, I’m 19 and in college, and yes I’m white and male and yes, I can admit that both of those traits give me advantages. But the baseless assertion that this means my life is “like T-ball” made me really angry. As I’ve said, this Barry guy doesn’t know me. I have my own problems and I really don’t appreciate them being trivialized. I’m bipolar, for example, and I also have major vision problems (like, not just in the get a pair of glasses sense).

      I’m not saying that this means I’m the most downtrodden person in the history of the universe. And I do agree that white men are advantaged in those two areas. But the stuff about “T-ball” or whatever, I didn’t like that. I work hard.

      • SauronsContactLens

        Which… reading the comments for the first time, I guess you already said. This has been unproductive.

        Hey John Rambo, what happened to Zero Tolerance Man’s blog? That was the funniest thing I’ve seen this side of Borat.

      • http://www.shaenon.com Shaenon

        Oh, good god, MRAL. Get off the computer and get some fresh air. I’m begging you.

        Barry, sorry. This guy, like most of the dudes arguing with you here, is a regular troll on feminist websites and a walking illustration of your article.

        I guess the upside of men’s rights guys spending 90% of their time attacking feminists on the Internet is they have no time to do anything else.

        • echofoxtrot

          We’ll see if you’re still singing the same tune after you’re diagnosed with prostate cancer – and then learn that breast cancer research garners 20 times the public plus private funding that prostate cancer gets.

  • Jon Milton

    They call men like you a Mangina not because you ‘enjoy the company of women’ but because you are total drones to the Feminazi Queens, like your wife who keep spouting utter distorted crap. Then these Manginas start spouting the same Feminazi crap, like you. So go get that Mangina button, you’ve earned it.

  • Denise Sparks

    I love you, Barry Nolan. Thanks for saying it out loud and having the grace to be a little embarrassed by it. And thereby removing yourself from that particular peloton.

    • Sterling

      I have a few questions:

      Is it possible to disagree with you and NOT be some deranged misogynist, racist, ignorant, whining, immature homophobe? Or does disagreement necessarily imply those (or similar negative) traits in your books?

      What if the person disagreeing is female? Does she then also have those same traits? If so, then how? If not, then that makes you the sexist by definition.

      Note that even being all those “bad” things, does NOT imply the person is wrong. You can be the most evil hateful person in the world and logically still be right.

      I’m asking you quite seriously if there is any remote possibility that one could make a case for the OTHER side at all.

      If your answer is no, then that is a sure sign that you’re driven by agenda rather than truth (all we need to do is point to a single example of a white male who suffered some horrible injustice to prove that you’re overgeneralizing and stereotyping).
      If the answer is yes, then in the interest of argument, I would ask you how you would conceivably make a case for the other side. And if you have no constructive answer to that, then again that reveals ignorance and lack of credibility.

      • Sterling

        That last comment was addressing Barry Nolan.

      • pecunium

        No, having one counterexample of a white guy who has a shitty time of life doesn’t change the systemic favor that white guys get.

        That’s the same argument, in reverse, as someone saying, “Cleopatra was the ruler of Egypt, so women in the Classical Period could do anything a man could do”.

        One exception, even a hundred, doesn’t invalidate the theory. You would need to show that white men, as a class, are in fact no better treated than anyone else, to disprove the thesis.

        So, go ahead, show that white men are on an equal footing to women, black men, asian men, black women, asian women, etc.

        We’ll wait. Forgive us if we don’t hold our breath.

  • echofoxtrot

    If white men have it so good, then perhaps you can explain why they account for 75% of the nation’s suicides. You parrot the standard feminist fallacies; you focus on the men at the top (then fantasize that this small minority accounts for the majority) while ignoring the mass of men at the bottom.

    • echofoxtrot

      Funny how none of the manginas or feminazis (including Barry!) could respond to this breathtakingly-simple expression of white-male, and male, reality.

  • echofoxtrot

    Barry, one day your wife will meet one of the feminist lawyers who you admire so much. Don’t be too surprised when the cops shortly afterwards bang on your door, and tell you to pack your bag and be out of there in fifteen minutes. That will only be the start of your problems. You would then, of course, learn the wisdom of the men’s rights movement, but by then the damage will already have been done. Perhaps you then will attempt contact with one or more of them. Because of the public stance you have taken here, not one man will lift a finger to help you — and neither will any of the feminists who now sing your praises.

    • Pam

      Perhaps you missed this comment:

      “Barry Nolan says:
      March 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm
      Dear Terri,
      I am sure you will be pleased to know that I am a divorced father of 3 fabulous children who lived with their mom – while I visited on weekends and vacations – while paying child support and alimony till the day I retire. I do have some experience based insight into such matters.”

  • echofoxtrot

    Hey Barry, your progressive employer might well decide to implement a new affirmative action or diversity policy….which means that white men (like you) on the staff may soon find themselves out of a job. If you complain about that, you will, of course, be “whining” — and your feminist support base will not intervene on your behalf.

  • Markus Elm

    This article is just another old-fashioned view on men and their “power”. It uses the 1% of males in power as a standard for the rest of the 99%. Females are seen as victims, males are seen as powerful bullies. This is exactly the reason why governments do not care for male issues. Even though males do have a number of serious issues, I hope the writer of this article is awake enough to admit THAT.

    Young males all over the West are slowly waking up to the reality of nobody caring for their issues. I’m not a member but to me it seems that this is what MRA’s are all about.

    Being against Men’s Rights as a man in a Western society is just proof of man being brainwashed by political correctness. Men like this feel guilty or ashamed to stand up for themselves because they believe men cannot have any issues. If I’m honest, that’s just a sign of a very weak man.

  • Evil Penis

    I think a lot of people on here are confusing privilege with achievement.

    White men ‘get’ to lead countries.

    White men ‘get’ to be CEOs.

    White men ‘get’ to earn more.

    These are not privileges they are achievements… Did these men not work hard to ‘get’ where they are?
    Or did affirmative action put them there? hmmm

    • Evil Penis

      I would also like the author to comment on these points he seemingly dodged…

      Unsheltered Homeless (2009)
      Women – 20,000 – 6%
      Men – 220,000 – 94%

      Life Expectancy (2006)
      Women – 80.8 Years
      Men – 75.7 Years

      Suicides (2008)
      Women – 7,585 – 19%
      Men – 28,450 – 81%

      Deaths by Homicide (2004)
      Women – 3,856 – 20%
      Men – 14,717 – 80%

      Deaths from Cancer (2004)
      Women – 269,819
      Men – 290,069

      Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004)
      Women – 3,357
      Men – 8,756

      Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research
      Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 – 40,000 Deaths
      Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 – 33,000 Deaths

      Deaths on the Job (2010)
      Women – 355 – 7%
      Men – 4,192 – 93%

      Injuries on the Job (2007)
      Women – 36%
      Men – 64%

      College Enrollment (2009)
      Women – 58% – 11,658,000
      Men – 42% – 8,770,000

      Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific)
      Women – Yes
      Men – No

      Unemployment Rates (2010)
      Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000
      Men – 10.5% – 8,626,000

      Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010)
      Women – 36.1
      Men – 40.2

      High School Graduation Rates (2005)
      Women – 72%
      Men – 65%

      Incarceration Rates (2009)
      Women – 114,979 – 7%
      Men – 1,502,490 – 93%

      Child Custody Rates
      Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers
      Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

      US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010
      Women – 139 – 0.01%
      Men – 100,063 – 99.9%

      Federally Funded Battered Shelters
      Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year
      Men – None – $0

      Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research)
      Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000
      Men Only – None – $0

      Forced Selective Service
      Women – No
      Men – Yes

      Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010)
      Women – 5.8%
      Men – 12.2%

  • Evil Penis

    So, in summary…

    Because I am a man I am far more likely to be homeless, lives a shorter time, far more likely to kill myself, be killed, die from cancer, die from aids, not get help for my male specific cancer, die at work, get injured at work, go to college, not get a job due to affirmative action, be unemployed, have to work longer hours, less likely to finish school, more likely to go to prison, less likely to get custody of my children, can be forced to fight and die in the army, more lıkely to die in the army, will get no help if I get beaten by my parter, have far less funding for my male specific illness, more likley to get addicted to drugs.

    I could go on…

    But the top 1%, the highest achievers in society, look like me…

    Man I feel lucky

    • PDA

      Dear Evil Penis,

      Have you ever noticed that after a heavy rain you will often see a lot of worms crawling on the surface of the ground? I have. Probably you, Evil Penis, have also seen this phenomenon. However, let’s imagine a child – call him Little Pisher – who, perhaps by dint of growing up in an arid region, has never seen rain, or a worm.

      As humans, we tend to see things in terms of cause and effect. Our Little Pisher may see the rain followed by the worms, and draw a reasonable inference that the worms fell from the sky. A parent or a teacher might invite Little Pisher to look more deeply into the issue: explaining the life cycle of worms, the curious way they breathe, and so forth.

      Evil Penis, I don’t doubt that you are concerned about the problems of men. They are many. One wonders, though, if merely drawing up a list of numbers is an effective way to address those problems. Again, I do not wish to cast aspersions, Evil Penis, but it would seem a more effective way to buffalo and silence your interlocutors, rather than the beginning of an earnest investigation.

      Thank you for your thoughts, Evil Penis.

      • Evil Penis

        Very poetic…

        The beginning of any investigation starts with discussion…. which is what MRAs are doing, you may not like this discussion but if any of the problems I discussed have any bearing in truth then surely you must agree that they deserve discussion and investigation, no?

        now. care to address ANY of the points I made?

        • PDA

          “The beginning of any investigation starts with discussion.”

          Really, Evil Penis? I would think it would go the other way around. How far can a discussion go until you know what you’re talking about? As you know, Evil Penis, cientific method starts with a question and goes from there into research. You, Evil Penis, leapfrogged that, and creating a hypothesis, AND analyzing data, right into drawing a conclusion and communicating your results.

          “care to address ANY of the points I made?”

          Had you made a point, Evil Penis? You listed some numbers and drew a sweeping conclusion without showing in any way how one inescapably leads to the other.

          What factors influence how men end up being over-represented, relative to their numbers, in all these different categories? Is it due to societal, cultural, social or biological forces beyond their control? Are there ways to support men, either by changing the legal system or by providing services at either the governmental or nonprofit level?

          Most importantly, the question begged by your rant, Evil Penis: does any of this have to do with institutionalized gender bias? And if so, to what degree, and what should be done about it?

          Care to engage, Evil Penis, at all? Or is it enough for you to just spew copypasta and victoriously crow “SEE?!?”

          • echofoxtrot

            And when will YOU open your eyes, heart, and mind enough to see the obvious? Or will it take getting hauled off to jail after you get into an argument with a girlfriend?Getting prostate cancer, and then learning that the federal government has programs for women, but not for men? Or are you hopelessly locked into the Stockholm Syndrome mentality?

          • PDA

            I’m wondering: do you even READ the comments you reply to, or just sort of randomly click “reply” and type variations of the same comment over and over?

  • Bernard Chapin

    Barry, Ramsey is not a men’s rights activist. I read your piece thoroughly. You know nothing about us. I also am disgusted by the fact that you are supposed to be a television commentator when you obviously are a leftist activist. Would you please just be honest with your viewers and tell them up front what your politics are? I’ve began responding to this at my video channel. I did part I yesterday and will finish up today with the other two. Why, if you don’t even know the name of a legitimate men’s rights activist, are you lying about us?

  • Narcissus

    Hello Barry,

    Wouldn’t you agree that MRAs are right to be concerned about boys’ underachievement in school and underrepresentation in further ed?

    For instance, would you agree that the issues raised by this study should urgently be investigated further, with full state funding for the research?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/female-teachers-accused-of-giving-boys-lower-marks-6943928.html

    Y/N?

  • anon dude

    The first half of your article is all apex fallacy. Just because a few hundred Senators/Reps are white men doesn’t mean all 90+ million American White men live a life of privilege. You project your personal experience as a white gentry liberal baby boomer, living a cushy existence, to all white men.

    MRA’s raise a number of important points. That the family courts are anti-male. That affirmative action is anti-male (and anti-white). That the government comes down hard on men that don’t pay child support but doesn’t do anything about divorced women that obsctruct their ex-husbands from visiting the children. That the school system and college scholarships are anti-male.

  • Rob

    Sure issues that affect men in several different ways will affect men to a greater or lesser extent in different communities, the fact still remains that there are issues that affect men. The problem for this guy is that brothers of different backgrounds and race, are now talking to each other and discussing these issues and the similarities in these different groups. This is the problem because if we stand as a united front then maybe just maybe we can get issues that affect men recognized in the mainstream. What this guy is doing is trying to divide MRA’s on racial lines because divided the MRM will not be as hard to ignore. Am I as a white guy not able to stand up for my black MRA brothers who have found themselves discriminated against? Am I not able to stand with my hispanic MRA brothers that have found themselves discriminated against? Or any other racial group for that matter. Am I only allowed to stand for people of my own race? Are men of different race not able to talk to each other to tell each other their stories and see the similarities and differences and then to work with each other to shed light on these issues? I find it quite telling that the mainstream will attack the MRM and slander it on the basis of some man who had lost all hope and felt that there is no way out but to kill himself, in a most terrible way. Do I agree with what Tomas Ball did? Absolutely not but it still does not alter the fact that he was at the end of his chain he lost hold of his sanity and felt there was no way out but to take himself out. This is something that the MRM is trying to fight against and to save men who are on that edge from taking that step and even within the last month I know that the MRM has made the difference to stop that final step over the edge for someone.
    I will thank you though for writing this article. Why? Because you have helped in that process to shed light on Men’s Rights and some will read this and the comments after and get them to read about these issues that affect men and possibly see something that has affected themselves or a loved one “because of this article”. Also what is quite telling is that when articles do slander men or in this case try to separate men in this movement of “individuals” that it is seen for what it is and called to task and not let stand. As I have seen some of my MRA brothers of other races here commenting, takeing this article and author to task. Not letting it be just out there in cyber space unchallenged. Thank you my fellow MRA’s who have spoken out.

    • PDA

      “the fact still remains that there are issues that affect men”

      Yeah… you know, this is why I get really heated when MRAs swarm a comments thread. There are A LOT of us out here actually talking with our brothers and working with them. The idea that calling out gibbering haters like “John Rambo” somehow reflects insensitivity to men’s issues REALLY pisses me off.

      I don’t know, and don’t care, what you men do in your real lives when you’re not spewing misogyny online, or providing cover for those who do. You may, in fact, actually be involved in groups and organizations that support men in their lives. I’d be surprised, because I find it hard to believe that someone who spouts the nonsense I’ve seen in this comment thread could be of ANY use to a man in crisis. But maybe you are. If so, I salute you for it.

      But don’t tell another man that he doesn’t support men’s issues. Just fucking don’t.

      • Narcissus

        “I find it hard to believe that someone who spouts the nonsense I’ve seen in this comment thread could be of ANY use to a man in crisis.”

        Well, Vladek Filler was most certainly a man in crisis, facing jail and separation from his kids for a crime he did not commit, and the MRM played a significant part in helping him out.

        http://www.fillerfund.com/latest.htm

        I think he would disagree with yours and Barry’s appraisal of the MRM.

        “There are A LOT of us out here actually talking with our brothers and working with them.”

        OK, cool. I’ve shown you mine, now you show me yours.

        • PDA

          Not sure what part of “I don’t care what you men do in your real lives” was unclear to you.

          • Narcissus

            Your last reply makes no sense.

            You expressed doubt that MRAs are capable of actually helping men in the real world beyond the internet. I provided a real world example of how MRAs have helped somebody out with real positive results.

            I also asked, in good faith, for an example of your own offline activities in support of men. Your response to this consists of a snarky comment that doesn’t even make sense.

            Waiting…

          • PDA

            Try reading my original comment. Hint: it wasn’t about what you think it was about.

      • Rob

        Interesting how speaking about men’s rights is conflated to being misogyny.

        Getting hot under the collar because MRA’s are here voiceing their opinion on this article, speaking about MRA’s? hmm…

        As to John Rambo don’t know the guy didn’t speak about him in my comment nore did I see him mentioned in the article where Thomas Ball was mentioned in the article.

        I also didn’t say that I said anyone didn’t care about men’s issues I only spoke of Men and MRA’s talking to each other about issues that concern them as men………

        Oh wait a second, right that is misogyny.

        I see also that to some people that only certain people can have an opinion. Only MRA’s are not in that acceptable group.

        Oh well I guess I will run away now and cry in a corner. NOT!

        If you don’t like reading opinions that are not to your own likeing I suggest stop reading the comments.

        I have never said you couldn’t have your own opinion I just don’t agree with your opinion. If that make me a jerk fine I am a jerk, but don’t expect me to keep my mouth shut because my opinion may not jive with your take on the world.

        • echofoxtrot

          Then I guess you’ll just have to learn the male facts of life the hard way….but, hey, at least you won’t be a misogynist!!

          • Rob

            Oh no break out the smelling salts he has taken to his fainting couch again…

      • echofoxtrot

        After you get thrown in jail for having a noisy argument with a girlfriend, you will finally “get” this stuff, and realize that it’s not misogyny. It’s not surprising that manginas like you have such difficulty with these concepts; after all, that’s why you’re manginas.

        • Rob

          Oh wow I have never been called a mangina before, lol ok just read my comments again the first one more serious the second one full of sarcasm. But hey I admire your zeal for the MRM that you would even attack a MRA. lol

          • echofoxtrot

            My apologies, it was late and I was sleepy.

          • Rob

            No problem brother. I can completely understand what we do when we are sleepy on times. Apology gladly accepted.

        • Rob

          First message more serious…..

          Rob says:
          March 28, 2012
          Sure issues that affect men in several different ways will affect men to a greater or lesser extent in different communities, the fact still remains that there are issues that affect men. The problem for this guy is that brothers of different backgrounds and race, are now talking to each other and discussing these issues and the similarities in these different groups. This is the problem because if we stand as a united front then maybe just maybe we can get issues that affect men recognized in the mainstream. What this guy is doing is trying to divide MRA’s on racial lines because divided the MRM will not be as hard to ignore. Am I as a white guy not able to stand up for my black MRA brothers who have found themselves discriminated against? Am I not able to stand with my hispanic MRA brothers that have found themselves discriminated against? Or any other racial group for that matter. Am I only allowed to stand for people of my own race? Are men of different race not able to talk to each other to tell each other their stories and see the similarities and differences and then to work with each other to shed light on these issues? I find it quite telling that the mainstream will attack the MRM and slander it on the basis of some man who had lost all hope and felt that there is no way out but to kill himself, in a most terrible way. Do I agree with what Tomas Ball did? Absolutely not but it still does not alter the fact that he was at the end of his chain he lost hold of his sanity and felt there was no way out but to take himself out. This is something that the MRM is trying to fight against and to save men who are on that edge from taking that step and even within the last month I know that the MRM has made the difference to stop that final step over the edge for someone.
          I will thank you though for writing this article. Why? Because you have helped in that process to shed light on Men’s Rights and some will read this and the comments after and get them to read about these issues that affect men and possibly see something that has affected themselves or a loved one “because of this article”. Also what is quite telling is that when articles do slander men or in this case try to separate men in this movement of “individuals” that it is seen for what it is and called to task and not let stand. As I have seen some of my MRA brothers of other races here commenting, takeing this article and author to task. Not letting it be just out there in cyber space unchallenged. Thank you my fellow MRA’s who have spoken out.

          Second message full of sarcasm……

          Rob says:
          March 28, 2012
          Interesting how speaking about men’s rights is conflated to being misogyny.

          Getting hot under the collar because MRA’s are here voiceing their opinion on this article, speaking about MRA’s? hmm…

          As to John Rambo don’t know the guy didn’t speak about him in my comment nore did I see him mentioned in the article where Thomas Ball was mentioned in the article.

          I also didn’t say that I said anyone didn’t care about men’s issues I only spoke of Men and MRA’s talking to each other about issues that concern them as men………

          Oh wait a second, right that is misogyny.

          I see also that to some people that only certain people can have an opinion. Only MRA’s are not in that acceptable group.

          Oh well I guess I will run away now and cry in a corner. NOT!

          If you don’t like reading opinions that are not to your own likeing I suggest stop reading the comments.

          I have never said you couldn’t have your own opinion I just don’t agree with your opinion. If that make me a jerk fine I am a jerk, but don’t expect me to keep my mouth shut because my opinion may not jive with your take on the world.

      • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

        @PDA,

        You’re a typical libborg libtard. From what you’ve written you sound like a feminist stooge.

  • Jackson

    So, where’s the article telling white women to quit whining? After all, they are the minority in prison populations, have the best healthcare, are the best eductaed, the lowest poverty and unemployment levels, the longest lifespans, spend the most money, retire the earliest

    If you discount the top 1% they have the best quality of life, so in the interest of fairness, i’d expect you to write an article telling them to “quit whinging” too.

    Because frankly I’m sick of hearing about how “oppressed” upper and middle class, college educated white women are.

  • Art

    The only good thing about this article is that we all get to have a good laugh at barry’s expense

  • Equalist

    All this columnist proved is that white male “pundits” can be idiots, too.

    If he thinks that the white males in Congress care more about him than about being elected, he’s an idiot. Politicians, on the other hand, are not idiots and they have been aware for a long time that the majority of the electorate is women.

    They have spent their whole lives competing against other men and it’s absurd to think that they would place a higher priority on serving the needs of their competitors than on appealing to the majority of the electorate or on protecting the women in their families.

    Similarly, the men who run companies know that they have to appeal to the market (which is dominated by the female consumer). This, by the way, is especially relevant in the media, where the majority of readership and viewership is female.

    And, by the way, the scientific research has been absolutely consistent for over 30 years in finding that women assault their partners at least as often as men.

  • ArunSehgal

  • Narcissus

    “PDA
    Mar 29 – 8:05 am
    Try reading my original comment. Hint: it wasn’t about what you think it was about.”

    I did, and it was. My response still stands.

    You cast aspersions as to the real efficacy of MRAs. Adding that you ultimately don’t care whether or not we are effective does not withdraw your criticism or remove anybody’s right to respond and question your criticism.

    I’ll ask again what you are doing offline to help men, comparable with what the MRM did for Vladek Filler.

    Respond with snark and ad hom all you want. Just remember that people are reading this and you lose ground every time you conspicuously avoid a straight response.

  • GT66

    No MRA hates you or women, Barry. Despite our frustration with both. That’s part of your problem. You think because a man calls you a mangina or a douche that he hates you. Well sir, they don’t. They don’t like you, but they don’t hate you either. You or any woman would be and are as safe sitting in a room full of MRAs that you *think* hate you as you are sitting in your home tapping away at your PC slandering and mocking a bunch of guys (and a decent number of supportive women) with legitimate concerns that they perhaps lack the ability to express more eloquently. You’d be in far more danger sitting in attendance at a European soccer game with the wrong team colors on.

    And do you really think that *any* women would be supportive of us if we really hated them so blindly and if they didn’t feel safe around us? And if you want to talk about hate, you should perhaps look into how the women who have been supportive of MRAs have been treated by the women that oppose us.

  • Sterling

    Can you even point us to a SINGLE example of somebody “whining about how tough it is to be a white man”?

    Do you even have any anecdotes let alone evidence to support the basis for your rant?

    And don’t even try to shift the goalpost by pointing to MRA sites because they are not concerned with skin color at all.

    • Barry

      Pat Buchanan – believes with all his flinty little heart – that white men are getting a raw deal.

      http://gawker.com/5316596/pat-buchanan-thinks-white-men-deserve-so-much-more

      • Rob

        Never knew that Pat Buchanan identified as a MRA.

      • Sterling

        First of all, in the link you give us, he’s clearly referring to white people, not men.
        Sure, the title says “white men” but that was the author’s title, who was clearly just as creative as you were with the facts.

        Also, yes I requested one example, but in order for you to make a case for saying “so many white men”, you really should be able to come up with many examples not just anecdotes or interpretations of what people said.

        Still waiting.

        • Barry

          Sterling,
          Please note that Buchanan is a white male. And He is whining about how how it s to be a white male. How oppressed he feels. That is what you asked for. And please note that my article is not about how all white men feel that way. It is about how some white men feel that way. Not all. I for one, don’t feel that it s the least bit hard to be white and male and I’ve been doing it all my life. If you want more examples of white men whining about how hard it is to be a white man – here is an article about a convention of them. http://www.nashvillescene.com/nashville/the-new-face-of-hate/Content?oid=2821096. Read this and for putty sakes stop whining.

          Barry Nolan

          • Sterling

            @ Barry,
            “Please note that Buchanan is a white male.”

            Why? I’m not a racist or sexist so I don’t care what skin color or genitalia somebody has.

            “And He is whining about how how it s to be a white male. How oppressed he feels. That is what you asked for.”

            But you haven’t delivered. He does not do either – at least not in the link you’ve posted. If you want me to believe that he’s “whining” in that way, then I need some quotes and sources.
            I’m open to be persuaded but it just takes more than one or two anecdotes that aren’t even what you say they are.

            “And please note that my article is not about how all white men feel that way. It is about how some white men feel that way. Not all.“

            Your intro says „so many of them“. Now you’re trying to shift the goalposts by saying “some of them” which also brings you conveniently close to making a non falsifiable statement because, among any large population, there’s “some” of pretty much anything you want.

            “If you want more examples of white men whining about how hard it is to be a white man – here is an article about a convention of them…“

            The very first quote in that article is by a woman. They might represent white people, but they’re obviously not representing men. And don’t tell me to do your research for you. Do it yourself and quote the relevant parts. You are the one trying to make a case and so it is you who needs to supply the evidence. And you have done nothing of the sort.

            “…and for putty sakes stop whining”

            The only thing I might be “whining” about (you do love throwing that word around, don’t you?) is dishonesty and fallacious reasoning – both of which you have demonstrated here.

  • Barry

    Dear Rob,
    I will type this real slow so maybe you can follow it – See the title of the piece? See the text of the piece? See the question right above? It is all about White Men whining about how hard it is to be white men. Ever seen Pat Buchanan on TV? White man. Read anything about his book? It whines about how hard it is to be a white man.
    Good luck
    Barry Nolan

  • Alex

    “Of the Fortune 500 companies in 2011, just 12 of America’s biggest companies were run by women. And there are currently just eight African American CEOs. You guessed it: White men rule.”

    How many are Jews? Funny how you leave that out. But in fact Jews are grossly over-represented as CEOs and several other powerful roles in this country. So how do you reconcile that with your anti-White male screed? You can’t so you don’t. You ignore it because it doesn’t fit in with your anti-White male template.

    • Barry

      Dear Alex,
      You anti-semetic little twit – so are you suggesting that Jews are not white? Or that male jews are not male? Notice the point of the article – that despite how well they are represented in positions of power – there is a significant sub-group of White men who whine about how hard it is to be a white man in America today. Apparently you number among them. Condolences. But buck up young man and screw your courage to the sticking place – and you’ll get by – even though you are white and male.
      Barry Nolan

      • Sterling

        Um, Alex just said that Jews are overrepresented. That may be true or false but how is it antisemitic? Especially, given that you belong to the crowd that believes men are overrepresented in those same positions, the same labeling standard would make you a misandrist just for saying that.

        • Barry

          Dear Sterling,
          You are apparently deaf to dog whistles.

          Barry

          • Narcissus

            “You are apparently deaf to dog whistles.”

            What does that even mean?

            With every post you sound less like Chomsky, and more like Ron Burgundy.

          • Sterling

            Let me see if I got this straight:

            1) somebody makes a quantitative statement.
            2) You accuse them of being antisemitic
            3) I ask you why
            4) You accuse me of being “deaf to dog whistles”

            Slips like this just cost you credibility – nothing else. With every further comment you’re revealing how weak the ground is upon which you’re standing.

            Like I asked above, is any disagreement with you even possible without requiring that the dissenter have something inherently wrong with them? I suspect not.

  • Barry

    Dear Sterling –
    I appreciate it that you are trying to be sophisticated – and nuanced in your critiques of other peoples words – I think that it probably a good ambition in life. But if you are going to pursue this course – you are going to have to spend more time reading – so you will know about commonly used metaphors – like “dog whistle” – I am being lazy – it’s late – so this is just from wikipedia:

    Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speechmaking which employs coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. The term is invariably pejorative, and is used to refer both to messages with an intentional subtext, and those where the existence or intent of a secondary meaning is disputed. The term is an analogy to dog whistles, which are built in such a way that the high-frequency whistle is heard by dogs, but appears silent to human hearing.

    See above – and the remarks that Jews are: “grossly over-represented as CEOs and several other powerful roles in this country.” Dog whistle – good phrase for you to know.

    • Sterling

      Seriously? THAT is all you have to say? A pathetic attempt to patronize me with terminology hinting that I’m uneducated (what makes you think English isn’t my 8th language?). Oh, and if you really had an honest interest in the truth, you’d respond to Alex by asking him what’s wrong with Jews being overrepresented in such positions before just labeling him.

      Also, it’s surprising that you answer to this comment but ignore the one where I make all the arguments above. No, wait, actually it’s not surprising. You even ignored everything in this comment by reducing everything to the antisemitic question.

      “I appreciate it that you are trying to be sophisticated – and nuanced in your critiques of other peoples words – ”

      Liar. If you “appreciated” anything of the sort, you’d respond in kind and not resort to cheap name calling. Even this is an obnoxious elitist innuendo of some sorts. What exactly? Have the courage to say what you mean directly instead of hiding behind plausible deniability.

      “you are going to have to spend more time reading”

      You do realize, you aren’t the only one who can sling mud and call people names? You also hopefully realize that it does NOT replace the need for coherent reasoning outside of yellow press and fanatic activists.
      I could do the same as you and we’d have a continuous trade of insults.

      I doubt that you actually want this conversation to degenerate into childish squabbling. So I ask myself, why are you trying so frantically to do just that? Apparently you want honest discussion even less than childish squabble.
      Please prove me wrong about that.

      Or prove me right by ignoring my previous points yet again and/or just block my comments (we are heading for that aren’t we?).
      As usual, I’d rather be proven wrong but I won’t get my hopes up given your pitiful performance so far.

  • Wendi Lubbock

    I’m not a man but I am white and I do know that white MRAs, like white feminists, seem to use the racial disparities of their respective sexes when its convenient.

    I wouldn’t cast my lot with either and any minority that does seems to forget that we benefit at their expense, one way or another. Then again I have seen black and white men come together to make a black lady’s life a living hell at my office.

  • Narcissus

    So Alex’s observation that the “white” power structures in your analysis are actually comprised in significant part by an ethnic minority is a coded message to anti-semites?

    Garbage. He has simply and adeptly illustrated how your position is based on a false premise (the Apex Fallacy).

    Would you say that an ordinary Jewish person belongs to a privileged group, based on the observation that there are many Jewish people occupying positions of institutional power? No you would not, and rightly not, as that would be illogical and racist. As is your article.

    BTW, “I appreciate it that you are trying to be sophisticated” would scan a lot better without the “it”. Condescension always works best when you use the correct grammar.

    Good luck.

  • Andrew

    Here’s an interesting video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs

  • Trevor Sedis

    Mr. Nolan quipped: “who do you suppose it is that is doing the raping [in male prisons]?”

    Well, whom does he suppose performs circumcisions on girls?

    Is black-on-black crime similarly unimportant because said acts are committed intra-group?

    Sorry, but this whole article (shaming language included) is antediluvian. I mean, who describes things as “baloney” any more? What era is Barry stuck in? His words are straight out of the 1980s feminist handbook. If that’s all modern misandry has in its arsenal, the men’s rights movement has no worries. It will never convert femaholics like him, but it will gather more and more fair-minded followers.

    Barry Nolan began by noting the number of white men in the Senate. He did not mention what it takes to become one? Ditto becoming a CEO: How many women, historically, were willing to work 60-80/hr weeks for 25 years at the same company, foregoing social lives?

    How many women fill our national cemeteries today?

    How many fight fires?

    Comprise SWAT teams?

    The fact is, few white men (and men in general) are “privileged.” Most men occupy the “crass cellar”…doing dirty, dangerous jobs in coal mines, on crab boats, in the military, and on oil rigs. Oddly, feminists don’t seek equality there. Does that bother the author?

    Mr. Nolan also mentioned the Violence Against Women Act, claiming it’s now “become politicized.” He’s wrong again. It was ALWAYS political. For example, domestic violence research by Straus, Steinmetz, Gelles, and others showed that half the instigators were female. Considered politically incorrect, it was ignored. Plus few men report abuse because they know police will mock their pain as Barry did, calling them “whiners.”? So maybe VAWA is being opposed because it’s based on lies, distortions, and male-bashing.

    The fact is, females start half the fights with men and inflict most abuse/neglect on children and the elderly. Feminists respond by saying women, being smaller, are still the bigger victims. If so, NOW should tell women not to start fights they can’t finish (something men learn early on). As for females being more abusive to kids and the old because they spend more time caring for both: We’re endlessly told that abuse is never-ever-ever warranted, no matter what the pressures are.

    Now, did journalist Barry read any DV stats SOURCES? Did he note their tallying techniques? Or did he just quote feminist factoids, as reliable as ads which claim “2 out of 3 doctors recommend”?

    Did he talk to men’s rights activists like Warren Farrell, Dr Tara J. Palmatier, Jack Kammer, Rita Fuerst Adams, Sidney Siller, Rita Simon, Richard Doyle, John Leo, etc.?

    Did he visit any feminist websites, noting THEIR “flat-out hate” for …men?

    Did he acknowledge that the Southern Poverty Law Center’s founder is a known womanizer who allegedly hit on his own daughter? That the SPLC has been called a scam outfit? No. Instead, he chose to throw mud himself, the better to promote misandry. He said those who oppose the bill must think it’s okay to beat women. Right. That’s like saying those who support female pilots must think it’s okay for planes to crash.

    Biased much?

    Clueless surely. He didn’t get the humor of a Youtube clip he cited, heedless that the person on it is well-known for satire. But then Mr. Nolan probably thinks Saturday Night Live is a news show, too.

    Barry is a wizened wiz, that’s for sure. He looked at traditional male spheres and shazam: He found males there! He mentioned benefits, but not burdens. He did NOT look at the other half of the world: the home. So is Mr. Nolan angry that men don’t get equal custody, post-divorce? Perhaps he thinks fathers don’t “really” want parenthood…like women didn’t “really” want MBAs until recently.

    In short, did he examine traditional female bastions equally?

    No he did not. Because he’s a male feminist. He wants options for women, obligations for men. I doubt he’d support an Equal Responsibilities Amendment.

    In truth, the most privileged, pampered, empowered people on earth are Western white women. They live longer and are spared most hardships (quick: how many females died building the Hoover Dam? Empire State Building? Stringing high-tension wires, building tunnels, maintaining roads, etc.?). They have special laws, classes, funds, health initiatives, stamps, holidays, etc. They are arrested less than men for the same crimes and get shorter sentences (Sexually mutilating their husbands or killing their own kids nets them sympathy, not stiff prison terms). Calling women cowards doesn’t cut as deeply, either, since even feminists don’t expect women to do what men must.

    Finally, being a man of wealth and fame based solely on pigmentation, I’m sure Mr. “Let Them Eat Cake” Nolan will forego his salary and other perks from now on, giving them to more deserving minorities. After all, power just comes to him.

    “Mangina” seems to fit him. Like “quisling” does others.

  • Casper

    Men’s rights and Women’s rights are not mutually exclusive. Our goal should be to improve the lives of everyone cocurrently, not improving the lives of one group of people at the expense of other groups of people. You, Barry, are taking an active stance opposing universal equality. Blaming and ridiculing people who are asking for help and struggling to have their voices heard by calling them “whiners” is not only childish and counter-productive, but it stinks of bigotry and oppression. You appear to be very biased and antiquated in your way of thinking. If you’re going to use statistics in your writing, at least make the attempt to find the most accurate ones, not just the ones that happen to support your argument. That’s called journalistic integrity, something you are painfully deficient in.

    How does this guy even have a job at Boston magazine? We’re the intellectual hub of America and we have this clown representing us? For shame.

  • Andrew

    Barry is the divorced father of three children who lived with their mom. Barry visited his children on weekends and vacations and will be paying child support and alimony till the day he retires. Nonetheless, Barry is of the opinion that he has a “pretty sweet deal”. How is it a “pretty sweet deal” for a man to lose custody of his children in a divorce and pay alimony and child support till the day he retires? How is it a “pretty sweet deal” for a divorced man to be told by a family court judge when he will be allowed to “visit” with his children?

    I don’t have any children, so I’ve never had the “pretty sweet deal” of losing custody of children in a divorce and paying alimony and child support till the day I retire.

  • Alan Winter

    Seems like the Men’s Rights folk (who do have a point) are a little light on reality, though. Maybe the FBI is part of the plot to victimize them further.

    http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/homicide.html

    • Casper

      Judging by the recently changed definition of rape (by the FBI) to state that any woman who was the slightest bit inebriated can claim rape after the fact, and by their refusal to include “envelopment” thus categorizing forcible sex from a woman onto a man as “other sexual violence” and not “rape”, yes the FBI does seem to further the belief that only women can be victims and by that they deny men’s victimhood. I for one was raped by a woman but according to the FBI if she had been drunk at the time, I would have been the default rapist. If you think that’s justice then you are an idiot.

      It appears that you are a bit light on reality, friend.

  • Andrew

    Barry has deleted two of my posts in this “User Comments” section even though all my posts were civil.

    Who here remembers the following dialogue from the original Planet of the Apes movie, circa 1968, between George Taylor (the human) and Doctor Zaius (the ape)?:

    TAYLOR: All right, you can cut pieces out of me. You’ve got the power.

    ZAIUS: Return this creature to his cage.

    (*The ape guards drag Taylor out of the office, and Taylor shouts out his final words to Zaius.*)

    TAYLOR: But you do it out of fear. Remember that! Remember that! Because you’re afraid of me! What are you afraid of, Doctor?!

    ========

    My comments to Barry: All right, you can delete my posts. You’ve got the power. But you do it out of fear. Remember that! Remember that! Because you’re afraid of me! What are you afraid of, Barry?!

  • Barry Nolan

    Andrew –
    In your last post – which was deleted – you linked the the murder of women and children with your complaints about perceived bias – suggesting fewer women and children would be murdered in cold blood if you got your way. You are a disturbed young man – who should seek professional help. Threats to women or anyone else of any kind will not be tolerated in this space. It is not an issue of free speech – it is an issue of decency.

    Your belief that I may somehow be fearful of your arguments or your threats simply underlines that fact that you are disturbed deeply delusional – and narcissistic to a degree that likely interferes with your apprehension of reality. Your future posts will need to go elsewhere. Find a hate group that accepts you the way you are.

    Barry Nolan

  • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    Barry,

    The men’s rights movement has a lot of men in it not just white and they are just as valuable as any other member of the men’s rights community. White or not all men are in the same boat.

    When you talk about so-called “privileges” here is what those “privileges” actually are:

    Men are the only ones that face the death penalty in murder cases but even in cases where the death penalty is spared men “enjoy” longer sentences than women.

    Male only selective service where men and only men have to sign up for to receive government benefits

    Men receiving longer sentences for the same crimes that females also commit. Even if the woman is the mastermind she can place blame on the man to conceal her culpability.

    When men and women both serve in the military only men may be required to serve in combat. Also the fitness required for women is lower than for men

    Men make up the majority of occupation accidents and fatalities: 95% vs. 5%.

    Men’s health concerns are neglected compared to women’s health issues. Men’s concerns gets pennies while women’s health issues gets dollars.

    Women outlive men by a decade.

    Men are victimize by anti-male laws such as VAWA that strips them of everything they worked hard for and destroy their reputations in the process.

    If we can consider the aforementioned points to be “privileges” “enjoyed” by men then I happily concede my “privileges” to whoever wants them.

  • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    “It is a tragedy any time anyone is raped. No question about that.”

    You were also insinuating that the perpetrators were men when that is not the case and you’ve ducked those points. It gave me the impression that female rapists are invisible to you. Is that the case or am I misinterpreting something?

  • Barry

    Dear Whiney White Men,
    Thank you all very much for writing in with all your whiney complaints to help underscore the point of this article – titled as you will note – White Men Rule – about how while White Men rule the country by almost any measure – but white men like you still whine about how hard it is to be white men. Like the guy who just wrote in – Masculist Man- whining about how hard it is to be a white man.
    And please note – this is not about how hard it is to be some particular individual who has been shot or raped or stabbed or hit by a comet – of course if something bad in particular has happened to you in particular – it is a bad thing that you have every right to complain about. But if you complain about how hard it is to be a white man in general – you are really a sad example of a whiney white man – which helps to make the point of this piece.

    Get a grip boys. Buck up. And for pity sake stop whining.

    Barry Nolan

    • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

      Barry,

      If you had done this to any other group you would be labeled a “bigot” (not that you aren’t) but the label still applies. If Boston magazine has any journalistic integrity they sure hide it well with you as a member of their staff.

      You’ve soilled any sliver of journalistic integrity you may have in a single thread than most people do on the entire net.

  • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man
  • http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/ Masculist Man

    The point of this article – like many that have raised the ire of MRAs – is that white American men IN GENERAL, AS A GROUP, have it pretty good COMPARED TO OTHER GROUPS. This does not mean that every single white man has it good compared to every single woman or every single man of color. It’s simple logic.

    By saying white men have it good is also a blanket statement. Is the poor white male more advantaged than a rich non-white person? Is the poor white male who is wondering how he is going to feed himself the next day superior to the non-white person who is not worried about that situation? According to you this poor white male has advantages,what are they?

  • JackB

    Mr Nolan, my issue with the VAWA isn’t that it helps women, or that I think that violence against males is as prevalent. It’s that it actively prevents funding for services set up for men. Unless an organization is specifically set up to address violence against women, then they are denied funding. I was raped by my father my entire childhood, and was abused by an adult woman when I was a teenage boy. I didn’t have anywhere to go, I ended up homeless at 17 because I didn’t have anyone to help me. The shelters wouldn’t take me, and the rape crisis center told me they didn’t deal with male victims. So I ended up homeless and was sexually and physically assaulted again multiple times.

    My story isn’t even that rare. I am fine with the VAWA, but there needs to be something for male victims too. I think it would have been nice if someone had helped me. I am not a bad guy or an “MRA” or anything like that. I understand that I don’t deserve as much help as a woman because men are the perpetrators more often. But I don’t think it would be bad to have like one shelter that male victims can go to, or like a small subset of money going to rape crisis centers for men and boys (we would have to make some centers like that first, though).

    • JackB

      Oh and I am promise I am not trying to be a whiny white man, I promise. I don’t talk about what happened to me, I try to go on with my life and help people. I know it’s not as bad as when women are raped. I am not trying to say that. I just think that sometimes male victims of violence need some help too.

      • Barry

        Dear Jack,
        I agree with you 100%. There absolutely should be places where a man can seek help and treatment – who has been victimized the way you have. Your issue with the VAWA is that it should and could be better. I am sure you are right. And that what we need is more attention to problems of sexual assault- whoever they may happen to. And I don’t think that it is in the least bit whiny when any individual cries out for justice for wrongs that were done to them.

        What some who have written into this space seem to find it hard to grasp – it that being a white man in and of itself – is not one of life’s more oppressive burdens. But being a victim of rape – yes that is without question.

        I hope you are able to find the help you deserve.

        Regards,
        Barry Nolan

  • Paul

    Dear BARRY NOLAN,
    you said :”When in fact, the system is so stacked in our favor”

    you are just asserting with out giving any argument to support your statement.

    In the next paragraph you address the issue of VAWA,in light of your previous paragraph,seems that you don’t understand all what you write;VAWA is a law to protect one part of the society while ignoring the other ,i.e by the other :the privileged white man that has the system stacked in his favor,as the name suggests and as it’s applied.

    giving that this article fail short of providing an objective and impartial treatment of the subject,I don’t know what to make out of it.

    and by the way you whining about others whining is whining too,so out of consistency,if you think that whining is not acceptable then stop whining.

    your article was refuted piece by piece,and seems that you cannot apprehend that yet,either you are blind to the fact or you are living in denial.

    some of the statistics that you cite is more like Katherine Hanson research that revealed that 4,000,000,000 American women are beaten to death each year!!!!

    some of the statistics need to be analysed,you know that women report abuse twice as men.

    you know that in Canada a man calling the police will be removed from his home,even if he was bleeding;the main aggressor profile will fit the victim not the perpetrator;once the obvious is ignored,i.e that a bleeding man is a victim,and we resort to profiling to decide who is the aggressor,any decent human would agree that the law is absurd and discriminatory and any supporter of such a law is sexist and inhuman,a victim should be helped whether the victim is a male or a female.

    regards,
    Paul

  • Mingtian

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  • comme

    I have a problem with a few things in the article, but the main point I disagree with is that white men rule.
    Not true.
    A minority of men rule, a minority of which are white.
    It’s like saying every woman out there is a topmodel who can get an army of men wrapped around her finger.
    The reality is quite different.
    The people in power are the minority of the ambitious, talented, hard working, or the power hungry, cunning and unscrupulous.
    The majority of men, however, are disadvantaged, historically and today, and traditionally a man’s role it to make it against the odds. I’m not in the same boat as leaders, representatives or CEOs, I’m an average white guy, and in this social climate I am more likely to be discriminated against than a white woman, and less likely than a black man, and I will recieve less help socially or financially. Thus I have to make my own life regardless of the circumstances.

    A few more things:
    -the violence against women act is not against violence against women. To oppose it does not mean one endorses violence against women.
    -There is nothing wrong with the fact that white men are the elite in white countries. You talk like there is a problem, but there is none with the fact that they’re white, nor have you demonstrated that this is due to discrimination.

    There is also another problem: the entire concept of “discrimination” is absurd in power relations. Those who have power take it by all means necessary, through intelligence or criminal energy or both, and in competition with others. The fact that there is discrimination is not only a trivial fact, it is the most harmless opposition you can face when you are a man with power.
    I’m astounded by the naivete you display in the article and I can only assume that it is not politically correct to talk about power in such a way in an article like this. Maybe people would much rather believe fairness and equality enter the equation? Dangerous nonsense if you ask me.
    -the main source of “baloney statistics” – about domestic violence, violence against women and rape – is feminism. I hope I need not remind you of all the “1 in 6 women are raped” type of statistics that a provably false.

    I am disappointed by the article and would wish for an intellectually honest look at the situation men face outside of the brainwashing and nonsense in the feminist point of view.

  • Kerry Soileau

    I’ll be sure to point out to my neighborhood’s white (and of course male) garbage collectors how “privileged” they are.

  • Edward P Gilmartin

    Red heads find opportunity in America lacking esp male red heads….

  • Beansandburgers

    When you see white garbage collectors, usually, it’s because they are in a city/state where blacks ar rare, or where the white population is dominant. Face it people, white males do have better status, power, money, access to yacht…golf…and country clubs, dominate Congress, the House, the Senate, and everything else except nurses, maids, nannies, teachers, secretaries, and on and on. White men own the land, the resl estate all over the country. Black people do not own anything. And don’t name Oprah and the black rappers and ball players who just started to be allowed to make a few dollars. Besides, white men have old money, that has been handed down for generations, whereas the black men have a few dollars that can end as soon as he buys a house and his ball contract is over or dropped. lol :)