Outfront Media Pulling All Billboards for Armenian Genocide Denial Website [Updated]

Plus: Should the Globe have run a similar ad the same day its editorial board called on the U.S. to recognize the genocide?

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Updated Friday, 9:10 a.m.: 

On Thursday evening, the Globe’s John Gates confirmed that the ad was reviewed and met the paper’s current advertising standards.

“There is a very thick wall between Globe Advertising and the Globe’s Editorial Board which is by design. This situation happens from time to time. It isn’t the first time and won’t be the last,” he wrote in an email.

Previously:

Last month, The Boston Globe’s editorial board delivered a 366-word piece calling on the U.S. government to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. The article, published in print on April 24, notes that 100 years ago to the day, “Armenian intellectuals and public figures were detained and summarily executed in Constantinople—the beginning of the systematic purge of the Armenian population at the hands of the Ottoman government. By 1917, 1.5 million Armenians were murdered.”

Yet just a few pages over from the Globe’s evocative editorial sat a full-page advertisement for FactCheckArmenia.com, a controversial website that claims there never was an Armenian Genocide. The website accuses a “well-funded Armenian diaspora” of pushing propaganda aimed at implicating Turkey in a genocide of the Armenian people. “There was no massacre or bloodshed on April 24, 1915,” the website states, standing in stark contrast to the Globe’s argument.

The advertisement in the Globe was one component of a national marketing campaign for FactCheckArmenia, which includes at least one billboard in Boston that is nearly identical to the print ad. A key difference is that the billboard notes that it was “Proudly paid for by the Turkic Platform, Istanbul.” No such funding attribution appears on the newspaper ad.

In response to inquires from Boston to Outfront Media, the company that owns several of the billboards in question, spokeswoman Carly Zipp said the FactCheckArmenia ads would be pulled this week from all cities they are presently running in. According to the Turkic Platform’s website, they have billboards in Boston, New York, New Jersey, and Dallas, though it’s unclear if Outfront owns all of them.

“We have decided to take them down early,” Zipp told Boston, adding that the billboards have drawn numerous complaints.

As for the Globe, the damage appears to be done. But is it a great hypocrisy to run a full-page promotion for a genocide denial website the same day the Editorial Board is calling for a national policy shift on the very issue? Or is it the ultimate proof of just how separate church and state are at John Henry’s newspaper?

The Globe wasn’t the only outlet facing this dilemma. The New York Times rejected an ad promoting a similar Armenian Genocide denial website called Let History Decide.

“We only accept ads that adhere to our advertising acceptability standards,” Linda Zebian, director of corporate communications for The New York Times, wrote in an email to Boston.

The Times‘ policy makes specific reference to the Armenian Genocide. Zebian shared a portion of the paper’s advertising policy that reads: “We do not accept advertising that denies great human tragedies. Events such as the World Trade Center bombings, or the Holocaust, or slavery in the United States, or the Armenian​ ​Genocide or Irish Famine cannot be denied or trivialized in an advertisement.”

Photo of the ad in the Boston Globe by Mariel Tenney

Photo of the ad in the Boston Globe by Mariel Tenney

A member of the Globe‘s advertising department who is involved with sales did not respond to requests for comment about whether the ad was reviewed before publication. The Globe did not immediately respond to additional inquiries. An advertising manual that is linked to from the Globe’s 2014 rate card states: “The Boston Globe Newspaper may decline to accept advertising that is misleading, inaccurate or fraudulent; that makes unfair competitive claims; or that fails to comply with its standards of decency or dignity.”

For those that pay close attention to the information wars around the Armenian Genocide, the billboards and the newspaper ads are cause for concern, but they are not a surprise.

“Over the past 30 years, but especially over the last 10 to 15 years, there has been an effort to use tools of scholarship and academia to manufacture controversy around the Armenian Genocide in the same way that tobacco companies and other entities have used this strategy to cast doubt on the dangers of cigarette smoking or global warming or other scientific phenomena,” says Marc Mamigonian, director of academic affairs for the National Association for Armenian Studies and Research, a Belmont-based organization.

FactCheckArmenia and the Turkic Platform did not reply to multiple requests for comments. Searches of whois.com show that both sites were registered through a proxy, concealing the creators’ identities.

Mamigonian says that with 2015 marking the centennial of the Armenian Genocide, he expected an onslaught of advertising and media campaigns intended to engender doubt over the historic tragedy.

“The tide has shifted, and increasingly the denial of the Armenian Genocide is recognized as a desperate effort to rewrite the historical record,” he says. “It’s discouraging that it continues and is going to continue. It’s certainly discouraging that there are billboards in our own backyard here in Boston.”

The Globe’s editorial board seems like it couldn’t agree more. The April op-ed closed with the following sentiment: “Considering the monstrous threat genocide poses to the values that the United States holds most dear — a threat that continues into the 21st century — there is a clear responsibility to step up to the historical moment, call this crime by its rightful name, and declare it intolerable.”

Whether the Globe‘s business side agrees is another question.

  • Avram Cohen

    Turks are just plain disgusting and evil people! Islamic Turkish beheading denial at it’s finest! Recognize the Armenian Genocide!

    • Orhan Tan

      AVRAM, YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED AS DISCUSTING AND EVIL ONE. EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT YOU SHOULD TRY TO BE A CONTAMPERARY PERSON…

      • Nora Ser

        One is not evil for recognizing Turkey’s dark past, and the wounds genocide and its denial delivers. However, Turks of today are not their genocidal forefathers, who were ignorant and manipulated by the Young Turkish revolution for “progress” of a monoethnic religious identity. Same thing happened with Stalin and Mao Zedong’s “Great Progress.” The only things Turks are guilty of today, is denial, and profiting off of murders. This is a disease of empires. Germany did it to Jews. Americans did it to Natives. Turkey did it to Assyrians, Armenians, and Pontic Greeks.

        We can never bring back the dead, but we can let the dead rest. And we can let the descendants heal, by recognition, education, and a genuine apology for the greatest crime that humanity is all too tempted to inflict on one another.

        Salaam.

        • Orhan Tan

          I read your comment after midnight. I am sorry not able to make a detailed comment.. But, just a short one: Are you aware of the Malta Tribunal? If you are not, you have no right to discuss the Armenian case. I will inform you whenever I have enough time for that important issue.

          • Steve

            Have YOU heard of the Constantinople trials, Mr. Tan? Have you read the communiques that were sent by U.S. Ambassador Henry Morgenthau? Or are you in complete denial? Your condescending tone toward Nora Ser is unacceptable. What right do you have to criticize others with your condescending tone?

          • Orhan Tan

            Mr. Steve, sure I am aware of Istanbul Trials. They were all “KANGAROO” ones. But, I understand you do not give any importance to the Malta Tribunal which took almost two years and 144 Turkish statesmen and commanders were judged by the British Highest Court. You also need to review the decision of ECHR of 17 Dec 2013…As for the Morgenthau’ s Story. It was written by his two Armenian Secretaries. Read Prof Justin Mc Carthy, he says there is no order of the government to Show the INTENT, on the contrary The government ordered Armenian convoys be protected. All the documents reveals that it was not genocide, but, because of the Armenian revolutionary teror organizations ( such as Hinchaks and Dashnacs) provoked the Armenian citizens of Ottomans for rebellion and the unfortunate massacres happened between the Turks and Armenians, like a civil war. Plus, 200.000 Armenian men joined the Russian and French Armies and fought against their state, Ottoman Empire….You all need to study impartial history documents.

          • Fair to All Races

            Well, Mr. Tan, as I suspected, you have a convenient counter-answer to everything factual. Of course! It was written by Morgenthau’s secretaries?? I’ll bet those secretaries of his were devilish, Turk-hating ladies, weren’t they??? (In case you cannot discern the sarcasm in my last few sentences, allow me to assure you that they are dripping in sacasm because your accusations are so ridiculously ludicrous and typical of genocide deniers who have an unprovable answer for everything). And why do you not mention that Prof. McCarthy is on the Turkish payroll and is compensated monetarily to be a genocide denier? Your answers will never discredit what are very credible, FACTUAL sources. And your bias will never change the fact that it is obvious that there was intent WITHOUT ANY DOUBT behind the barbaric and murderous actions of the Ottoman Turks whose campaign of ethnic cleansing almost succeeded in annihilating the Armenian race. Explain to me how you can say Turkey protected the Armenians when they ordered Armenian WOMEN & CHILDREN on a death march through the Syrian desert? If you think that’s “protection”, then your idea of protection is not the same as the dictionary definition.

            But, guess what? Despite their efforts, the Three Pashas and the rest of the Young Turk movement did not succeed in wiping out the Armenians, and 100 years later the Armenians and the rest of the logical and educated people and nations around the world still commemorate the 1.5 Armenian martyrs who were killed at the hands of the Turks. So, you and your denialist accomplices can continue to try to rewrite history…but someday very soon, Turkey’s political stranglehold and bullying tactics will no longer work on keeping countries such as the United States quiet. And the very few countries left who are currently being silenced by Turkey’s desperate, political threats will no longer be held hostage by a paranoid Turkey. Now, please let me introduce you to Mrs. Amal Clooney, Orhan Pamuk, and the sovereign governments of Italy, France, Switzerland, and many others who officially recognize Turkey’s intentional and planned genocide of the Armenian people. These are the people
            e and governments whom Turkey cannot silence, and these people will cut through Turkey’s deception and political stranglehold in the court of law where only the FACTS can be presented.

          • Elizabeth Dodov

            Amen, well said. The perpetrators are cowards as they are afraid to accept responsibility for their deeds. The ridiculous statements that Armenians killed one million Turks shows how naively they believe the lies of their Government.

          • Elizabeth Dodov

            By the way Avatar and Orhan I have a bridge to sell you, really cheap.

          • cinemadome blog

            Dude, Morgenthau is dismissed by a great dea of Western historians as a propagandist. In his memoirs, he describes how his intent was to facilitate the Allied war effort. He even goes to praise Talaat as a kind and generous man. A long way from the murderous thug of his earlier papers.

            We should stop throwing out that 1.5 million number. That number is not at all realistic. Real historians of this issue consider it to have been anywhere around 800.000. 1.5 million doesn’t make any sense and if we can’t agree on that, how are we going to decide on more complicated issues like motive and intent, etc.

          • avatar

            The Constantinople trial was illegal because there was no defense. Are you aware of it?

          • Nora Ser

            Avatar, yes, Turkey’s past was glorious if you consider genocide glorious. What is your excuse for the annihilation of the Assyrians, hmm? They claim Turks committed a genocide against them.

            You must read George Orwell’s 1984, and think of it as a splendid country, just like home.

          • avatar

            Nora, you call it “genocide” and I call it “self-defense” and “retaliation for the real genocide” – the one committed by Armenian gangs against innocent Muslim civilians long before the decree of 24 April. And yes, this self-defense is GLORIOUS, which I am proud of! And you should be ashamed of your shameful past!

            Assyrians? Well, everyone has the right to mistake. They are mistaken to claim that. Turks claim the opposite – it was Armenians and Russians who committed genocide against the Turks and exterminated about 1.2 million of them. Turks rightfully responded.

            And yes, I find this page of their history GLORIOUS!

          • Nora Ser

            You are so full of Doublethink. You see your own crimes and paint them on others.

            It was not self defense. You rooted out entire villages, even poor and ignorant farmers who knew nothing of wars or what was going on in the world. You destroyed even the churches, even the buildings. Turkey today is trying to destroy an Armenian orphanage Hrant Dink attended, and destroyed ancient Armenian cemeteries for the land.

          • avatar

            “You are so full of Doublethink. You see your own crimes and paint them on others.”

            Absolutely not, Nora. You just deny those crimes.

            “It was not self defense.”

            I never said it was a self-defense. I have been always saying that it was a zero-sum game, which was initiated by the Armenians. Turks never wanted any conflict or unrest in this part of the country.

            “You rooted out entire villages, even poor and ignorant farmers who knew nothing of wars or what was going on in the world.”

            I have to say again – by betraying the country and siding with the enemy (with the Allies), Armenians set the rules of the game, the name of which was “zero-sum game”. Either Armenians would have rooted out the entire Turkish population or the other way around. After what has happened, the two peoples could no longer live together.

            “You destroyed even the churches, even the buildings.”

            Yes, we had to. We did it for one purpose – to survive.

            “Turkey today is trying to destroy an Armenian orphanage Hrant Dink attended, and destroyed ancient Armenian cemeteries for the land.”

            Nora, how many Muslim cemeteries have survived in Armenia – in a country with 75% Muslim population in 1828?

          • Nora Ser

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort_to_prosecute_Ottoman_war_criminals

            Yes, it discussed how the Turks were never really serious about punishing the evil doers for their crime, because they profited off of genocide, and the international community didn’t know how to deal with such a horrific crime, until it happened again in Germany.

        • Elizabeth Dodov

          Nora, Germany does not deny the Holocaust, American does not deny what happened to the Natives. Turkey on the other hand accepts no responsibility about all the butchery they committed in all the occupied lands of Eastern Europe, forced conversions to Islam, culminating with the extermination of the christian minorities in Turkey. The Armenian genocide denial is ongoing to this day. Christians in Turkey are presently quietly persecuted, many have changed their names and hide their religion. It is illegal to even mention the Armenian genocide in Turkey for which people have been killed and/or jailed. So how has present day Turkey changed? Those in power are still as authoritarian as the Young Turks were. Yes education will help and schools should teach the truth.

          • avatar

            Turkey never butchered anyone. It was Armenians who committed genocide against the Turks. One million Turks were killed by armed Armenians.

        • avatar

          Turkey’s past is glorious! I am proud of Turkey. Armenians must be ashamed for the actions of their grandparents in 1914-15, when they launched the rebellion.

          • Nora Ser

            You keep repeating the lie that Armenians should be ashamed, when all they wanted was to be treated as equals. They initially supported the Young Turks, even though they were the same ethnicity of the Sultans who killed 300,000 of them (look up the Hamidian massacres that left 500,000 homeless). You decided to take an entire group, label them the enemy, dehumanize them, make them the other, to justify the crimes committed against their children. You are continuing the propaganda today.

          • avatar

            “You keep repeating the lie that Armenians should be ashamed,”

            It is not a lie. Millions of archival documents cannot lie.

            “when all they wanted was to be treated as equals.”

            They WERE treated as equals. For centuries. And were even given the status of “sadik millet”.

            “They initially supported the Young Turks, even though they were the same ethnicity of the Sultans who killed 300,000 of them (look up the Hamidian massacres that left 500,000 homeless).”

            Again, you speak about the consequences, omitting the cause. You prefer not to say anything about what LED to the massacres. And it was TURKISH massacres before what you call the Hamidian massacre.

            “You decided to take an entire group, label them the enemy, dehumanize them, make them the other, to justify the crimes committed against their children.”

            I just don’t understand why you dont want to speak about exactly the same things that Armenians did against the Turks.

            “You are continuing the propaganda today.”

            Me???

    • Some Perspective

      This person using the name “Avram Cohen” is doing no good for the Armenian Cause. Do not blame the majority of Turks today for believing that a Genocide did not occur. The Kemalists changed the alphabet and the language of the Turks in 1923 and imposed a top down narrative on the public. I am sure that the Armenians in Turkey will either vote for Erdogan’s AKP or the Kurdish party as it was the Kemalists (CHP) who instituted the taboo on the Armenian, Pontic Greek and Syriac annihilation.

      • avatar

        Avram Cohen is an Armenian hiding behind the Jewish name

        • Some Perspective

          You are painting all Armenians with one brush. That is the mark of a racist.

          • avatar

            It is not my fault that almost all the Armenians support his racist view. Ask any of them, and they will say the same.
            That makes them be painted with one brush.
            You better educate them, teach them history and tolerance, not hatred.

    • Servet Hassan

      You are not the first person with this racist attitude towards Turks. It happens all the time. The hatred blinds your thoughts and poisons your heart. You are what scholars describe as a typical Turcophobic.

      Tal Buenos says “The modern Armenian narrative in the West was initiated by Bryce, who, since 1877, repeatedly stated in writing that Armenian nationalist endeavors should be supported because the Armenians are racially and religiously superior to Turks. To accept this aspect of Western historiography is to accept the Turcophobic beliefs that the Turk is inherently immoral and corrupt, excluded or looked down upon for not being of a European race and for not being of a European religion. To accept this false narrative because of current calls of denialism is to accept the Turk’s position as the “other” who has no access to a Christian European tale. Turks have the right to explain that they are not in denial of Armenian suffering but that they are most certainly resolved to deny and weed out the Turcophobic roots of the current Armenian narrative. History is filled with cruelty. Turcophobia, however, is the main reason why genocidal claims are still being made against Turks in the name of Christian Europe, Western historiography and Armenian nationalism. Where would one find similar genocide-related pressure over the bloody “Christian” crimes against Africans, Jews, Indians and Native Americans known as Indians?”

      If you want to read further:
      http://www.todayszaman.com/op-ed_15-characteristics-of-the-armenian-narrativeby-tal-buenos-_314870.html

    • avatar

      The world has not seen more disgusting people than you, Armenian racist!

  • Some Perspective

    The Turkish government has just hired Porter Goss, former head of the CIA, to lobby for them. Much of Turkey’s present day wealth was built upon the confiscated assets of Armenians and other Christians. So in essence part of what Turkey pays is based upon the assets of those killed.

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    • avatar

      Yes, those who committed crimes against the Ottoman Empire had to contribute their wealth as a penalty for their treason.

      • Some Perspective

        You are sadly mistaken. Not only those rebelling but even the Sultan’s Armenian favorites were killed and their assets confiscated. Not crimes but raw racism on the part of the CUP. You show your racism.

        • avatar

          Those rebelling SHOULD HAVE been killed – every crime must be punished.
          And the killing of the “SUltan’s favorites” is allegation – this never happened.

          • Some Perspective

            You can’t tell me that the Sultan’s favorites were not killed and all their assets confiscated. My great-grandfather was a peacemaker and on great terms wiith a series of Sultans, even Sultan Hamid because his cousin was Sultan Hamid ‘ s favorite government minister. He advised those rebelling not to wake up “the aslan who is sleeping.”. My grandfather and his brothers who were killed were just peaceful businessmen. Governor Rashid had dinner with them and then had them all killed the next day. Dr. Reshid then took residence in my grandparent’s house and converted great-grandparent’s’ home into residence for German military top brass. Reshid considered all Armenians to be bacteria to be eradicated.

          • avatar

            “You can’t tell me that the Sultan’s favorites were not killed and all their assets confiscated.”

            Yes, I can.

            “My great-grandfather was a peacemaker and on great terms with a series of Sultans, even Sultan Hamid because his cousin was Sultan Hamid ‘ s favorite government minister.”

            Then he must have done something else for which he was prosecuted.

            “He advised those rebelling not to wake up “the aslan who is sleeping.””.

            Aha! Bingo! So, you admit that there was a rebellion and not “innocent Armenian civilians” who were killed by the Turks for no reason.

            “Rashid considered all Armenians to be bacteria to be eradicated”

            Well, if it was true then ALL the Armenians would have been killed and there would have been no 1.2 million survivors.

          • Some Perspective

            You are a hopeless nationalist. Dr.Reshid is known as “the butcher of Diyarbakir.” He did not only have Armenians killed but also Syriacs. I know exactly the chain of command and the reasons why my family members were killed. Orders from a Pomak Pasha in Constantinople, now Istanbul, to an insane Circassian governor, who had a member of the most powerful Kurdish family and his gang wipe out his prime commercial competitors..

          • avatar

            “You are a hopeless nationalist.”

            You are confusing yourself with me. I am historian who, as opposed to you, study history based on historical sources and not granny’s stories.

            “Dr.Reshid is known as “the butcher of Diyarbakir.””

            I don’t care what Armenians call their enemy. I can also label nicknames to other people, e.g. Andranik, Dro, Nzhdeh and other butchers.

            “He did not only have Armenians killed but also Syriacs.”

            Not indiscriminately, but only those who commited crimes.

            “I know exactly the chain of command and the reasons why my family members were killed.”

            Surely, your granny wouldn’t tell you the whole story.

            “Orders from a Pomak Pasha in Constantinople, now Istanbul, to an insane Circassian governor, who had a member of the most powerful Kurdish family and his gang wipe out his prime commercial competitors.”

            Well, business-related conflicts are everywhere, even in Armenia.

          • Some Perspective

            I am a historian who has studied the works of many academic scholars, some Turkish and Kurdish. I think that you have the same problem with Armenians that “Avram Cohen” has with Turks.

          • avatar

            You are NOT a historian. Real historians never study history from other authors’ books. They study it from primary sources. You never worked in the Ottoman archives which contain an ocean of sources shedding light on Armenian crimes in 1914-15. But I did.

          • Some Perspective

            Not all Armenians. Only a racist would condemn all for the acts of a few. The authors whose works I have read studied primary Ottoman sources. Studying solely Ottoman archives will produce a slanted view overall view of the events. I primarily do primary research in my work in American history. I do not have the luxury of studying Ottoman archives, as you do, most probably sponsored by Turkish government largess. Goodbye !

          • avatar

            You don’t need the Turkish government’s fellowship to study the Ottoman archives. They are open. All you need is to know the Arabic script and be able to read the texts. Nothing was “edited”, everything is authentic. Go and study.
            On the other hand, the Boston archive of Dashnaktutsun has been closed for everyone, except those who have passed the “loyalty” test. Prof. Richard Hovannissian was allowed there and wrote a wonderful book, but the management later regretted that allowed him to see the classified documents (most of them being uncomfortable for the Armenians and destroying the Armenian narrative of an “innocent” community).

          • Some Perspective

            My uncles wouldn’t allow my mother to marry this guy , John Roy Carlson, because he wasn’t a Catholic and was not from Diyarbakir. He exposed the Tashnaks long before Prof. Richard Hovannissian wrote his book. My mother was attending an Armenian church service in New York in 1933 and saw first hand what happened in that church. I do not have blinders on. We need to put our antagonisms to rest. I suggest that the Balkan States, Russia and Turkey take steps to make amends for their actions.

          • Avram Cohen

            Stupid comment!

          • avatar

            well, maybe it is “stupid” for your stupid head

    • avatar

      So is Armenia based upon – upon the lands and seized wealth of Muslim peasants and landlords.

      • Some Perspective

        Is it obvious that you only see one side of that issue. You make excuses for the wealth seized from Christians who were killed or exiled..

        • avatar

          No, I see BOTH sides of the coin. But you prefer to see only one side of it, completely denying a greater tragedy inflicted upon the Turks BY the “innocent” and “suffering” Armenians.

          • Some Perspective

            The difference is that the Armenians were cleansed from Turkey along with Pontic Greeks and Assyrians. You have a good case for the suffering of Muslims in the Balkan and Russia. You show your bias by claiming that “Armenians” inflicted a greater tragedy upon the Turks. You insist upon replacing “Dashnaks” with “Armenians. ” I know that the CUP did not have all Turks on their side , since many Turks saved Armenians. You are a broken narrative,

          • avatar

            “The difference is that the Armenians were cleansed from Turkey along with Pontic Greeks and Assyrians.”

            Yes, because they all acted in a team.

            “You have a good case for the suffering of Muslims in the Balkans and Russia. You show your bias by claiming that “Armenians” inflicted a greater tragedy upon the Turks.”

            As a human being, I can be mistaken. But millions of documents in the Ottoman archives cannot be erroneous.

            “You insist upon replacing “Dashnaks” with “Armenians”. ”

            Well, the actions of Dashnaks were overwhelmingly supported by the Armenian population. Whose fault?

            “What the Dashnaks did does not amount to a total annihilation of Turks.”

            The goal was exactly that.

            “I know that the CUP did not have all Turks on their side , since many Turks saved Armenians. You are a broken narrative”

            Yet, I don’t remember any single case of an Armenian saving his/her Turkish neighbor.

          • Some Perspective

            Kirkor Zohrab saved the life of Hall, a Turkish CUP member of Parliament.

          • avatar

            and how many Turks saved the Armenian lives?

          • Some Perspective

            The Dashnaks were revolting against discriminatory practices of the Ottoman regime. Dhimmii were treated as second class citizens.My great -grandfather was a member of the Ottoman parliament but was still not afforded equal status with Moslems.

          • avatar

            Are you now trying to justify the revolt and slaughtering of hundreds of thousand of Turkish civilians by Dashnaks with this “discrimination” argument????
            Your grandfather was an Ottoman MP. But how many Muslim MPs was there in the Armenian parliament in 1918-20? ZERO!!!! Was it a reason good enough to revolt against Armenia and being killing all the Armenian neighbors????

          • Some Perspective

            Where do you get hundreds of thousands of Turks killed? When and where?

          • avatar

            Ah! You’ve never even heard of them, have you?

          • avatar

            Precisely 523.955 IDENTIFIED (those who have names, dates of birth and murder, etc.) Turkish civilians were slaughtered between 1914 and 1918 by the Russia-armed Armenian revolutionaries, volunteers and irregulars in Eastern Anatolia alone! Exactly this number of files, consisting of criminal cases, can be found in the archive of the Turkish Interior Ministry. One file for every identified victim, well-recorded! This blood-freezing number does not include those missing, buried in mass graves and perished from starvation and sicknesses as direct consequences of the horrific massacres, and those slaughtered by the Armenian volunteers in the Greek army and the Armenian-French Legion in Cilicia. According to reputable Western scholars, an estimated 2.5 million Muslims perished during and after WWI in Anatolia and the Caucasus.
            Additionally, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnak) and Hunchak armed groups targeted Muslims and those ethnic Armenians who remained loyal to the Ottoman state.

          • Some Perspective

            Anything that occurred after May 1915 was retaliatory. So I assume that the Turkish government also has records of every Armenian and Christian killed. Talaat Pasha’s memoirs contain a list of the numbers of Armenians annihilated. There was not a well orchestrated campaign to annihilate Muslims by a government entity as the plan of the CUP to permanently eliminate Christians from Anatolia.

          • avatar

            “Anything that occurred after April 1915 was retaliatory.”

            Your argument justifies the Turkish actions, because it was Armenians who started the bloodshed in 1914. Even before.

            “So I assume that the Turkish government also has records of every Armenian and Christian killed.”

            Probably, I don’t know.

            “Talaat Pasha’s memoirs contain a list of the numbers of Armenians annihilated.”

            And if you compare the numbers, you will see that more Turks were killed by Armenians than the other way around.

            “There was not a well orchestrated campaign to annihilate Muslims by a government entity”

            Because there was no Armenian “government” per se. Yet there were three, so called, “parties” (well, in fact, armed terrorist organizations – Ramkavar, Hnchak and Tashnaktutsyun) which orchestrated the systematic annihilation and ethnic cleansing of Muslims.

            “as the plan of the CUP to permanently eliminate Christians from Anatolia”

            There was no plan to eliminate. It was a plan to resettle. Yet, Armenians aimed exactly to kill the Turks.

          • Some Perspective

            If the plan was to resettle why were the Armenians and other Christians not driven toward what is now Lebanon instead of Deir Zor desert ? ..and why were they not supplied with food and water for their journey?

          • avatar

            “If the plan was to resettle why were the Armenians and other Christians not driven toward what is now Lebanon instead of Deir Zor desert? ..and why were they not supplied with food and water for their journey?”

            Do you listen to yourself? How can you imagine them making even 30 km without the water and food supply? The fact that many of them actually reached Syria and even survived (Boghos Nubar Pasha estimated the number of survivors at 700.000) answers to your question – they were supplied with everything to make this long journey and even be one of the 700.000.

          • Some Perspective

            Erdogan is bringing to light the suffering of Crimean Tatars and Circassians under Russian rule as well as the suffering of Balkan Moslems. Hollande and Putin have every right to bring to light the suffering and murder of Christians in Anatolia under Ottoman and CUP rule and the nasty policies of the CHP..

          • avatar

            “Erdogan is bringing to light the suffering of Crimean Tatars and Circassians under Russian rule as well as the suffering of Balkan Moslems. Hollande and Putin have every right to bring to light the suffering and murder of Christians in Anatolia under Ottoman and CUP rule and the nasty policies of the CHP.”

            What Erdogan does is the reaction to what Hollande and the Pope do. His aim is to show that it was not only the Armenians to have been killed and not only the Turks to kill. The other side was no better.

            “A wholesale process of reconciliation on all sides must be established.”

            For reconciliation, denial must end in the first place. Turkey does not deny Mets Yeghern and admits it as a fact. It just rightfully denies the applicability of the notion of “g” to Mets Yeghern. Yet, Armenians completely deny much bigger atrocities their ancestors had inflicted on the Turks. And that’s the problem which prevent any reconciliation. Apology must be MUTUAL, as long as crimes were mutual too.

            “Armenia just established a Mufti for Armenia and will be looking into restoring additional mosques in Armenia.”

            C’mon, it is a joke. I read the news. Perhaps, Turkey must also appoint a Turk as an Armenian catalikos 🙂

            “The AKP and Kurdish officials have begun a process of reconciliation with Christians.”

            Should be commended.

            “I am not only Armenian but Assyrian Catholic (Chaldean). Both sides were killed under Dr. Reshid.”

            Whom do you mean by both sides?

          • Some Perspective

            Members of both my Armenian and Chaldean sides were killed under Dr. Reshid. You CONTINUALLY refer to “Armenians” as if they are all of one mind. This is exactly what some Turkish writers do when they change the word “Dashnak” to “Armenians” in Carlson / Derounian’s work. Scholarly Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians know that it was the leadership of the Committee of Union and Progress ( İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) that instituted the policy to eradicate Christians from Turkish soil, not “Turks”. The chief engineer of this policy was not a Turk but a Pomak, namely Talaat Pasha. The butcher of Diyarbakir, Dr. Reshid was not a Turk but a Circassian. There is a ethnic minority in the Balkans, the Gagauz, who are Turkish Christians, that are never mentioned.
            “Much bigger atrocities?” by Armenians against Turks. Then why is Anatolia filled with Turks but devoid of Armenians and other Christians?

          • avatar

            “Members of both my Armenian and Chaldean sides were killed under Dr. Reshid.”

            So were mine. They were completely innocent.

            “You CONTINUALLY refer to “Armenians” as if they are all of one mind.”

            I have to, because I don’t know the name of the killers.

            “This is exactly what some Turkish writers do when they change the word “Dashnak” to “Armenians” in Carlson / Derounian’s work.”

            Well, Armenians do the same when they say just “Turks”, as it the nation turned crazy to suddenly start (all of a sudden for no reason to kill the boredom and get some Friday-night fun) killing their Armenians neighbors.

            “Scholarly Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians know that it was the leadership of the Committee of Union and Progress ( İttihat ve Terakki Cemiyeti) that instituted the policy to eradicate Christians from Turkish soil, not “Turks”.”

            Mistake! There was no policy. It is a myth. The program was to resettle. The policy of eradication is the invention of those “scholars”. It was long proved that there was no intention to exterminate.

            “The chief engineer of this policy was not a Turk but a Pomak, namely Talaat Pasha.”

            Millions of Armenians should be grateful to him for becoming survivors, because if not the program of resettlement, they would have been, in an indiscriminate revenge, killed by the angry relatives of the murdered Turks. You do continue denying the Armenian atrocities against the Turks. Sad!

            “The butcher of Diyarbakir, Dr. Reshid was not a Turk but a Circassian. There is a ethnic minority in the Balkans, the Gagauz, who are Turkish Christians, that are never mentioned.”

            Doesn’t matter. The Armenians wanted to become majority in those 6 vilayets. Every non-Armenian was their enemy.

            “”Much bigger atrocities?” by Armenians against Turks. Then why is Anatolia filled with Turks but devoid of Armenians and other Christians?”

            Are you serious? You don’t know the answer? Because in this chain of mutual massacres and several waves of mass population exodus back and forth, Turks were the last to return and Armenians were the last to leave. You should be “grateful” to the Bolsheviks, namely Lenin, who overthrew the Tsar in February 1917. That’s from when the collapse of the Russian army began. And with its disintegration, the entire front-line collapsed, Russians deserted and left, while Turks moved in and Armenians moved out. That was the the last wave of mass migration. And that’s the answer to your question.

            So, seriously, if not for the revolution in Russia, Armenians would have had a good chance to keep all those territories, without the Turkish population.

            So, say “thank you” to Lenin.

          • Some Perspective

            You continue to claim that I am denying that the Armenian revolutionaries killed anyone. There are documented episodes of young Armenian women Crucified naked. The disembowelment of all the adult members of my family is documented, as is the demise of my family by an Ottoman judge of Bedouin extraction.All this suffering on both sides of the divide can be assuage by the respective governments to engage in a process of healing. I am very aware of the atrocities committed in Russia and the Balkans against innocent Moslems. Dr.Reshid’s fanatical hatred of Christians was engendered by the experience of his family, who were brutally exiled from Circassian in the 1800as.

          • avatar

            I agree. And that’s why I condemn all those one-sided parliamentary resolutions on “Armenian genocide”. They fail to see the other side of the coin, while both sides suffered tremendous human losses.

          • Some Perspective

            So let us move on to a better day. The genocide resolutions are made to prod Turkey to try to put things back together. The leaders of Russia, Turkey and the Balkan states should find ways to resolve the issues from the past. Davutoglu has proposed to offer dual citzenship to the descendants of those killed or exiled. I, for one, would not return to Diyarbakir from the paradise I live in the West, but our history there is important to me. Putin has the power to make amends to all the Moslem nationalities who were treated badly. I would like to see mosques restored in The Balkans, Greece and Armenia. Unfortunately, the lands to the south of Turkey are on fire. Such a shame that religious minorities are being killed and cultural monuments are being destroyed. Peace among nations to the west and east of Turkey is possible.

          • Avram Cohen

            Exactly! It’s the Islamic way, to lie!

          • avatar

            your dirty mouth shouldn’t open to say the beautiful word Islam

          • Avram Cohen

            lol, you seem to enjoy rewriting history scumbag!

          • avatar

            No, I cannot excel as much as Armenians excel in twisting history and loading Internet with lies

          • Avram Cohen

            No sense arguing with these paid Islamic Turkish ISIS supporters, Turks and Azeri’s are the worst scum of the earth and history has proven that!

  • Servet Hassan

    Most countries do not
    describe the tragic events of 1915 as genocide because it does not fit the
    definition of “genocide” accepted by the UN. The recognition as such
    by some parliaments is purely political and thus meaningless from a legal
    perspective, therefore genocide claims ought to be deemed baseless. Turks do
    not deny their Armenian brothers and sisters’ suffering, they just do not
    accept the label of genocide because the events of 1915 (before and after) do
    not fit the criteria defined by the UN in 1948. Its definition has certain limits.
    It is a legal term and should be applied legally. The 1948 Convention specifies
    what genocide is and how it may be ascertained: a competent international
    tribunal can determine if an event is genocide. Such a court decision exists
    for the Holocaust, for Rwanda and for Srebrenica, but no such decision exists
    for 1915. So nothing close to a legal consensus exists on the issue.
    Questioning the validity of the Armenian genocide allegations does not mean the
    denial of the suffering of Armenians. However, Armenian suffering should not be
    isolated from the suffering of the other communities of the Ottoman Empire –
    Muslims, Christians, Jews and others. Nearly 5 million Ottoman Muslims and 1
    million Ottoman Christians died between 1864 and 1922. The dead on all sides
    were mainly civilians, and many more died from disease and starvation than were
    directly killed by their enemies. The loss of so many innocent lives and
    departure from ancestral lands was a common fate and it was a tragic end for
    all sides considered. Therefore,Turks and Armenians should be able to leave
    all prejudices and accusations aside and commemorate our common pain and
    suffering peacefully.

  • Wally Sarkeesian

    The Turk always refer to American Indian, to defend there crime here is my question to the Turks as bad as what happen to the Indians, however there is still lots of Indians living on there land, show me single Armenian living in Western Armenia (Anatolia) on there land which they lived for three thousand years before Turks existed what happen to them? show me single nation on the face of the earth that the entire population of a nation completely wiped out? in-fact the reason Turkey is in NATO is to cover it’s crime against Humanity not Turkey is interesting to defend Christians of Europe. What Turkey did in 1915 is exactly what they are doing today in middle-east same technique using mercenaries.

    • avatar

      I am proud of Turkey!
      Armenian allegations are BS!

      • Avram Cohen

        Turkey of 1915 is no different than the Islamic ISIS of today.. brutal butchers! avatar your a human POS!

        • avatar

          Get out of my sight, “avram cohenyan” – an armenian who cowardly hides behind a fake Jewish name. Too bad the Turks didn’t finish your grandma in 1915, the world would have been cleaner today.

          • Steve

            Ahhhh, so now Avatar’s true colors are visible. I pity you, Avatar. You are exactly the kind of murderous animal that we are going to put in a cage.

          • avatar

            Well, if we are talking about cleaning the world from idiots like you, then yes, I am glad to be a murderer.

  • hyemarsh

    The Turks take a quote out of context, yet refrain from inserting Kemal Ataturk’s (their God) statement that what happened to the Armenians was a “shameful act”. Kudos to Outfront for pulling a falsehood – the Globe should follow suit.

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    • avatar

      and what now? Are you satisfied? Did you get the territories from Turkey? You will never get them! The territories will ALWAYS remain Turkish. You will live forever in the US and get assimilated and disappear from history. You know that you lost and that’s why you are so angry.

      • Wally Sarkeesian

        It took time for the Armenian orphans to grow up and start exposing Turkish crime against humanity, we have made massive progress and now country after country recognizing Armenian Genocide, Armenian are not the only victims of Turkish Crime, Greek, Kurd, Arab, Assyrian, Alive, Bulgarian, Serbian, and so on. all these people need a right President of USA with few tomahawk cross missile on Ankara that will within two month Turks will capitulate and all the victims nations above I mention will have there land back it is just mater of time. Turkey is fictions name Turkey as country never existed before 1923. Ataturk change the name from Anatolia to Turkey to cover up it crime not only that he change name of the cities and the people name too, he change the alphabet so tha to create zombi Turks not be able to read there history.

        • avatar

          Armenian “orphans” would have made their growing-up time of a better use if they apologized to the Turks for the grave crimes their grandparents committed against the Turkish civilians.
          So, what is the “recognition of country after country” give you? Territories Compensation? It gives you nothing! You have lost! You began the war in 1914 and lost. You are the losers forever.
          Yes, the country called “Turkey” never existed before the name was assigned. But the Turks had the empire for 800 years called the Ottoman Empire.
          And what did you, armos, have? Nothing! Your mythological state of Tigrannes is a lie. Tigranne was not even an Armenian. He was a Parthian. The country called “Armenian Republic” never existed before 1918. You are not even Armenians. You are hyes! Armenians are the one who LIVE in the Armenian Highland – in REAL Armenia, and not in the artificial creature which is in the Caucasus called “Republic of Armenia”.
          Yes, Ataturk adopted the Latin script to make the country modern. But your thief mesrop mashtots STOLE the alphabet from the Ethiopians, and it is proved now.

          • Wally Sarkeesian

            The Turkish crime is so vast Ask the Arab, Kurd, Assyrian, Bulgarian, Serbia, alive, Armenian, Iranian, The Turks have left no mother in the region without tears, Armenians got massacred more than other. ask why did the ARAB revolted against the Turks? why did Kurd revolted against the Turks? why did Greek revolted against the Turks and all others because of Turkish massive atrocities against all this people. all these people have to Unit and demand partition of so called Turkey, that is the only way to bring peace and prosperity to the region. Turkey is the only Muslim country massacared millions of Christians not other Muslim did, Turkey is the only Muslim country destroyed thousands of churches yet now they are hiding under NATO umbrella to hide it crime against humanity. so you telling me that Ataturk change your alphabet to Latin to be modern and Arabic alphabet is not modern? isn’t Arabic the official Islam language all Muslim countries use. No the reason he changed to foul the west.

          • cinemadome blog

            Dude, Armenians had it better than everyone else in the Ottoman empire. Stop with that stupid revisonism. Keep it factual

        • Some Perspective

          This “avatar” is quite obviously a paid propagandist. He reacts as an attorney would do in a court case, refuting every statement to undermine the credibility of those who are is opposition to his client. This is a standard tool of unscrupulous attorneys. When he realized that I was too knowledgeable to take his bait, he ran away.

  • Fair to All Races

    This advertising situation all boils down to money, rather than historical truth and integrity. It is revenue that The Globe received from FactCheckArmenia and the Turkic Platform in advertising dollars. Now that The Globe has collected the money for the ads and the 100th Anniversary Commemorating the Armenian Genocide has passed, its advertising dept. can backpedal and ask for forgiveness, rather than permission (as the old adage goes). The ad dept. will try to save some face for running an ad that is factually incorrect, yet still keep the money. Very convenient. But not surprising at all.

  • avatar

    ” The article, published in print on April 24, notes that 100 years ago to the day, “Armenian intellectuals and public figures were detained and summarily executed in Constantinople—the beginning of the systematic purge of the Armenian population at the hands of the Ottoman government. ”

    What a BS! Most of the detained persons were released. Only 21 were prosecuted after due process. How long will the Armenians lies be repeated in the US media?

  • avatar

    “The Boston Globe” and “NYT” spread Armenian myths.
    There was no genocide. There were MUTUAL massacres, and Armenians were the first to start.

  • avatar

    Armenians will NEVER achieve what they want – territories from Turkey :))) You lost! So, keep barking from distance.

  • Kursad Dogru

    Genocide is a legal term which is ratified by the UN in 1951. UN twice declined Armenian allegations. There is no court verdict for genocide either. Armenians were belligerent and fought along with Russians and French against the Ottoman Empire! And they wanted a seat at the 1919 Paris Peace Conference merely stating that fact. Armenian propaganda at best!

  • Fair to All Races

    This article shows exactly why Turkey and its people are very, very scared that the truth about the Armenian Genocide — including the use of the word “genocide” to describe it — is gaining momentum around the world: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/world/europe/armenian-church-leader-speaks-on-suit-to-reclaim-seized-property.html?_r=0

  • Ergun Kirlikovali

    INTERNATIONAL LAW SAYS IT IS NO GENOCIDE

    Relentless promotion of a contested claim as “settled history” (i.e. genocide) to unsuspecting masses by Armenians and their
    supporters is quite unsettling. This enduring prejudice against Turks and Muslims may be at the root of some conflicts today.

    I understand Armenians’ conviction, their raison d’etre, their
    unifier, and identity marker, but I am afraid such convictions and feelings and are not sufficient to justify demonizing an entire country, Turkey, and its people,

    Turks, with the most serious crime of genocide. I am thankful that we have an inconvenient truth called “law” to stop such arbitrary lynching by bigoted minds and fanatics.

    The United Nations 1948 Convention on Prevention and Punishment
    of Genocide provides the definition of genocide and stipulates that

    — genocide charges can only be litigated at a “competent
    tribunal”

    — which shall follow “due process”

    — to prove “intent to destroy.”

    Such was never done in the case of Turkish-Armenian conflict and
    no court verdict exists saying it is genocide. To call it one anyway would be defrauding the unsuspecting public that there is a genocide verdict when we all know that there is not. So calling it genocide would be a fraud.

    In a landmark decision, The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) unequivocally supported the above position in its Dec 17, 2013 verdict on Perincek vs Switzerland that “[t]he existence of a ‘genocide’, which was a precisely defined legal concept, was not easy to prove”. The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) added: “doubted that there could be a general consensus… given that historical research was, by definition, open to discussion and a matter
    of debate, without necessarily giving rise to final conclusions or to the
    assertion of objective and absolute truths”. Thus, the ECHR created a legal precedent of inadmissibility of any comparison between the Holocaust and the Armenian claims; the latter lacks what the former clearly has: concrete historical facts, clear legal basis, and existence of the “acts had been found by an international court to be clearly established”.

    “How can you be so sure that 1915 is genocide?”

    This simple but poignant question, posed by the presiding judge
    at the European Court of Human Rights to the lawyers of the Armenian side, sums it all up, doesn’t it? It is like “the king is naked” call of the “genocide industry”.

    After all, the Jewish Holocaust verdict is backed up by Nuremberg Tribunal. Where is the Armenian Nuremberg? Where is the court-verdict that says 1915 is genocide? (Don’t waste your time looking for it, as it does NOT exist.) All we have are discredited claims, biased articles and editorials, persistent intimidation, intimidation, terrorism, an PR gimmicks like films, exhibits, memorials, and similar embellishment produced by the Armenians and their supporters. But no concrete facts. Nothing that can stand the scrutiny of a court room.

    I am disappointed by the bias and bigotry displayed by Armenian activists and the cowardice by Outfront Media. This boils doen to censorship and trampling of the freedom of speech. A sad day for America, indeed.

    • Steve

      Dear Ergun,

      The only “cowardice” is that which is shown by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the rest of the revisionist deniers such as yourself. Your centuries-old tactic of “deny deny deny” has fortunately run out of steam, and the Turkish Government’s efforts to blackmail and strong-arm other governments into accepting unfounded claims no longer work. The truth always prevails, even if it takes 100 years. So you can continue your charade of trying to refute historical fact, and your attempts to discredit eyewitness accounts by honorable men like Morgenthau. You have run out of luck now. So take the honorable road by admitting what happened and accepting it, so we can all move forward now.

  • cinemadome blog

    Who realy cares about this issue except for the Armenians and Western politicians who have to deal with an Armenian constituent. Really. Around 800.000 Armenians died in a war that claimed the lives of 30 million people. Why do we care about Armenians, but not the 400.000 that were killed at Hiroshima? Or the tens of millions of Amer-Indians killed by the Europeans and Americans? Or the millions killed by the Balkan Wars and by Russia (with quite some help from Armenians btw). Or the terror brought upon African and Asian peoples by its European colonizers (including mass beheadings and castration). Or Imperial Japan’s butchering of China? Why is this an issue?

    • Steve

      People who care about this issue are human beings who will not tolerate the attempted, intentional extermination of any race. Those examples you mention are exactly why we must remember and recognize ALL of these tragedies. If we do not, then they will continue to occur. If the perpetrators think they will get away with committing these crimes against humanity without punishment (since previous tragedies illustrate that), then they are more likely to commit them. Serious answer.

      Serious question for you: are you a human being with compassion and repect for your fellow man?

    • Noelle Grace

      Because unlike those horrific acts of inhumanity, this was hidden, denied, and deemed inconsequential. In addition to losing our families, culture, land, and beautiful history, we lost our voice because of the lies and denials against what happened. So not only was everything taken from us, but so was our platform to validify the atrocities against us. We were literally silenced by the constant denial of what had happened. The bully kept pushing us down after years of abuse. I hope you gain a little more understanding of what this did to us, and continues to do, after years of denial and disrespect.